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I’ve finally bet on Biden as next President at a 67% chance – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 12,169
edited October 2020 in General
I’ve finally bet on Biden as next President at a 67% chance – politicalbetting.com

Ever since the 2020 White House Race started formally ahead of the first primary TV debates in June last year I have been very critical of Joe Biden and never thought that he would get the nomination.

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  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,685
    First like Biden
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,685
    And second like Trumpski
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,459
    2nd like trump (hopefully)
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,459

    2nd like trump (hopefully)

    Damn third...
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,685

    2nd like trump (hopefully)

    A distant 2nd hopefully!
  • DAlexanderDAlexander Posts: 815
    edited October 2020
    6th like Kayne.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,685
    I really do hope you haven't put the mockers on Uncle Joe, @MikeSmithson
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468

    2nd like trump (hopefully)

    Damn third...
    It would be truly hilarious if Trump came 3rd
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,036

    First like Biden

    Waiting in the wings like Kamala
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,780
    HYUFD said:
    To be fair, PPP is a Democratic polling firm. Other polls in Montana have shown a much larger Trump lead there. It is entirely possible that PPP are also selectively releasing polling that favours a narrative that they think favours their cause. In this case to encourage their supporters to go to the polls by believing that the Democrats are in with a shout. Even if they don't need Montana for the White House, there is a tight Senate race there, so Dems going to the polls in Montana does matter a lot in terms of the prospects of the Dems controlling the Senate.

    I suggest that it's best at this point to discount all polling by conducted by companies that either have links to the respective parties (the likes of PPP, Trafalgar, Rasmussen) or which was commissioned by organisations which are strongly campaigning for either side.
  • FPT...
    Its all good until this tweet...sigh...my article is gah substandard, because i only got comment from white men (no matter how qualified they are on the subject), please don't beat me up over this, i have some more diversity in a different article. What a sad atttitude, not basing your article on accuracy and academic quality of the contributors, but what is the make up of their gender and skin colour.

    https://twitter.com/apoorva_nyc/status/1321197162873688065?s=19

  • I'm on Biden at 5/6, hedged with a sell at 320 ECV.
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,780
    Not a bad bet Mike, with 538 having Biden as an 88% chance as I write, the highest he's been.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,720
    "My main worry is when I will get my winnings because ..."
    Counting chickens.
  • FPT...

    Its all good until this tweet...sigh...my article is gah substandard, because i only got comment from white men (no matter how qualified they are on the subject), please don't beat me up over this, i have some more diversity in a different article. What a sad atttitude, not basing your article on accuracy and academic quality of the contributors, but what is the make up of their gender and skin colour.

    https://twitter.com/apoorva_nyc/status/1321197162873688065?s=19

    WORST thing about this disease, is the damage it does to your fashion sense.

    Unless of course you are a chic young lady (such as LadyG?) with a stylish face mask.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766
    I'm going all in now on Biden. 1.50 looks tasty 7 days out.

    And, I figure that if Trump wins then the last thing I will be worrying about is my lost money.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    It is every chancellor’s job to worry about the wind changing. It is the current prime minister’s habit not to care. Even without differences of economic philosophy, tension is inevitable between Johnson’s incoherence, promising the earth with no regard for who should pay, and Sunak’s need to be independent and in control of the Treasury. His campaign for the succession is built on his brand as the serious, capable one in a cabinet of rogues and ninnies. It is a catch-22: being chancellor puts Sunak in pole position to take over, but the longer he serves as a Johnson loyalist, the less attractive he looks as a potential prime minister.

    The current Tory leader is in difficulty but his leadership is far from derelict. He still has reserves of support in the country, a ruthless streak and infinite pride. Two axioms stand out from any study of Johnson’s career: first, he must never be underestimated. Second, his greatest skill is getting out of the scrapes that his lack of judgment gets him into. Put those together and you arrive at the forecast that he will be a terrible prime minister who is good at clinging to power. He will leave no legacy to inherit, only a mess to clear up.

    There can be no continuity in Johnsonism. It is an episode, a convulsion, a one-off. The next prime minister, even if it is another Tory, must run as an antidote to the current one. That is hard for someone who has helped cook and serve the noxious brew. Sunak has less time than he thinks. He has to decide how long to be part of the Tories’ Johnson problem before somehow offering himself as their solution

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/oct/27/rishi-sunak-ambition-collision-course-boris-johnson-ego-tory-party
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    If you believe Nate Silver and the polls, then you definitely should be backing Biden at 5/6. It's a steal if the polls are right.

    If...
  • I always wonder. Are Trump rallies totally unscripted, or does he just go totally off-piste in the middle of his autocue speech?
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    edited October 2020
    That is the kind of thing that goes down REAL well with swing voters, alright.

    Keep up the good work, Trumpsky!

    Cannot wait to find out how THIS pans out in the next Trafalgar "poll"

    "If your neighbor knew that Joe Biden was recklessly making himself a target by his very existence . . ."
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,133
    Biden was the best candidate for the Democrats to win the rustbelt they have to take to win the EC and he is of an age and centrist enough to appeal to boomers in Florida too, however while he will pick up maybe 1 or 2 rustbelt states, probably at least PA where he was raised and helped by Philadelphia he needs to win all 3 of Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania or 2 of them plus either Arizona or Florida to win the EC and that is still debateable in my view
  • FPT:
    Hm. Suppose you're trying to work out how much someone weighs. Do you go with a set of scales, however imprecise, or a thermometer?

    I might set some of my Y13s that question: how do measure someone’s mass with a thermometer? I can think of three ways off the top of my head...
  • MrEd said:

    If you believe Nate Silver and the polls, then you definitely should be backing Biden at 5/6. It's a steal if the polls are right.

    If...

    Very laconic.
  • Roy_G_BivRoy_G_Biv Posts: 998

    FPT:
    Hm. Suppose you're trying to work out how much someone weighs. Do you go with a set of scales, however imprecise, or a thermometer?

    I might set some of my Y13s that question: how do measure someone’s mass with a thermometer? I can think of three ways off the top of my head...

    long lever / moment of force
    throw it at someone floating in space / kinetic energy calculation
    hmmm, struggling for a third
  • I always wonder. Are Trump rallies totally unscripted, or does he just go totally off-piste in the middle of his autocue speech?
    Totally unscripted, unfettered, unregulated AND un-house-broken
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    MrEd said:

    If you believe Nate Silver and the polls, then you definitely should be backing Biden at 5/6. It's a steal if the polls are right.

    If...

    Where can you get 5/6?
  • I always wonder. Are Trump rallies totally unscripted, or does he just go totally off-piste in the middle of his autocue speech?
    Totally unscripted, unfettered, unregulated AND un-house-broken
    As ad-libbed works of fiction, on the entertainment front they are quite good. Better than plenty of improv comedy i have seen over the years.
  • HYUFD, do you REALLY think it does NOT matter to the future of American democracy AND the world, if someone openly opining about the assassination of his challenger is re-elected President of the United States?

    IF you REALLY do think that, then buddy, I am VERY sorry for you.
  • geoffw said:

    "My main worry is when I will get my winnings because ..."
    Counting chickens.

    Nah, Mike's already got a profit locked up with his trades.

    It is all dependent on when the market settles.
  • Roy_G_Biv said:

    FPT:
    Hm. Suppose you're trying to work out how much someone weighs. Do you go with a set of scales, however imprecise, or a thermometer?

    I might set some of my Y13s that question: how do measure someone’s mass with a thermometer? I can think of three ways off the top of my head...

    long lever / moment of force
    throw it at someone floating in space / kinetic energy calculation
    hmmm, struggling for a third
    I would have gone with conservation of momentum for your second one, and that was not one of the three I had in mind.
    If you are in space measure the value of g from the person would do it.

    One I was thinking of was to supply a know amount of heat to them and see how much their temperature changes.
    Then I had your first one.

    Another is to offer to give them the thermometer if they will tell you their weight ...
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,209
    @brokenwheel

    At every age, women are more likely than thein men-folk to go for Biden over Trump. At every education level, ditto.

    Now, young women may be more anti-Trump than older ones, but that doesn't affect the point that the higher the proportion of women voters there are (currently 56%), the harder it is for the President to get re-elected.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,209

    HYUFD said:
    To be fair, PPP is a Democratic polling firm. Other polls in Montana have shown a much larger Trump lead there. It is entirely possible that PPP are also selectively releasing polling that favours a narrative that they think favours their cause. In this case to encourage their supporters to go to the polls by believing that the Democrats are in with a shout. Even if they don't need Montana for the White House, there is a tight Senate race there, so Dems going to the polls in Montana does matter a lot in terms of the prospects of the Dems controlling the Senate.

    I suggest that it's best at this point to discount all polling by conducted by companies that either have links to the respective parties (the likes of PPP, Trafalgar, Rasmussen) or which was commissioned by organisations which are strongly campaigning for either side.
    I think this is spot on: this is a poll designed to get Democrats to the poll to vote for Bullock under the mistaken impression that Montana might tip at the General.
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,660

    Roy_G_Biv said:

    FPT:
    Hm. Suppose you're trying to work out how much someone weighs. Do you go with a set of scales, however imprecise, or a thermometer?

    I might set some of my Y13s that question: how do measure someone’s mass with a thermometer? I can think of three ways off the top of my head...

    long lever / moment of force
    throw it at someone floating in space / kinetic energy calculation
    hmmm, struggling for a third
    I would have gone with conservation of momentum for your second one, and that was not one of the three I had in mind.
    If you are in space measure the value of g from the person would do it.

    One I was thinking of was to supply a know amount of heat to them and see how much their temperature changes.
    Then I had your first one.

    Another is to offer to give them the thermometer if they will tell you their weight ...
    Bomb calorimetry?

    Stick it in their middle, kill 'em and measure the time taken to return to RT?
  • I always wonder. Are Trump rallies totally unscripted, or does he just go totally off-piste in the middle of his autocue speech?
    Totally unscripted, unfettered, unregulated AND un-house-broken
    As ad-libbed works of fiction, on the entertainment front they are quite good. Better than plenty of improv comedy i have seen over the years.
    Dreaming out loud about your opponent being assassinated - in a country where FOUR presidents have been killed in just this manner, and five others have been targeted by would-be assassin - is WAY beyond the pale, even for a total piece of scum like Trumpsky.

    AND if YOU find it funny in this context, then I question just where your head is at?
  • Downing Street is privately working on the assumption that the second wave of coronavirus will be more deadly than the first, with the death toll remaining high throughout the winter.

    An internal analysis of the projected course of the second wave is understood to show deaths peaking at a lower level than in the spring but remaining at that level for weeks or even months.

    It is understood that the projection – provided by the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) – has led to intense lobbying from Sir Patrick Vallance and other Government advisers for Boris Johnson to take more drastic action.

    "It's going to be worse this time, more deaths," said one well-placed source. "That is the projection that has been put in front of the Prime Minister, and he is now being put under a lot of pressure to lock down again."


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/27/second-covid-wave-forecast-deadly-first/
  • geoffw said:

    "My main worry is when I will get my winnings because ..."
    Counting chickens.

    Nah, Mike's already got a profit locked up with his trades.

    It is all dependent on when the market settles.
    Won't amount of profit depend in part on which of his guesses (and counter-guesses) pan out?
  • Roy_G_BivRoy_G_Biv Posts: 998
    edited October 2020

    Roy_G_Biv said:

    FPT:
    Hm. Suppose you're trying to work out how much someone weighs. Do you go with a set of scales, however imprecise, or a thermometer?

    I might set some of my Y13s that question: how do measure someone’s mass with a thermometer? I can think of three ways off the top of my head...

    long lever / moment of force
    throw it at someone floating in space / kinetic energy calculation
    hmmm, struggling for a third
    I would have gone with conservation of momentum for your second one, and that was not one of the three I had in mind.
    If you are in space measure the value of g from the person would do it.

    One I was thinking of was to supply a know amount of heat to them and see how much their temperature changes.
    Then I had your first one.

    Another is to offer to give them the thermometer if they will tell you their weight ...
    Ah yes, the same as the old barometer / building height. Bribe the owner to tell you. Can't believe I forgot that one.

    Not sure how you propose to measure g with a thermometer though.
    EDIT oh you mean between the person and the thermometer. I thought you meant earth g, no wonder I was confused. Good one.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,126

    Downing Street is privately working on the assumption that the second wave of coronavirus will be more deadly than the first, with the death toll remaining high throughout the winter.

    An internal analysis of the projected course of the second wave is understood to show deaths peaking at a lower level than in the spring but remaining at that level for weeks or even months.

    It is understood that the projection – provided by the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) – has led to intense lobbying from Sir Patrick Vallance and other Government advisers for Boris Johnson to take more drastic action.

    "It's going to be worse this time, more deaths," said one well-placed source. "That is the projection that has been put in front of the Prime Minister, and he is now being put under a lot of pressure to lock down again."


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/27/second-covid-wave-forecast-deadly-first/

    Great. As we're past the watershed, I'll simply 'Fuck this year'.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,804
    There are things you shouldn't joke about at certain times in certain places that could lead to people for instance drinking bleach or inciting violence.
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    Well that's OK then. Are you sure all his supporters are in on the joke?
  • Downing Street is privately working on the assumption that the second wave of coronavirus will be more deadly than the first, with the death toll remaining high throughout the winter.

    An internal analysis of the projected course of the second wave is understood to show deaths peaking at a lower level than in the spring but remaining at that level for weeks or even months.

    It is understood that the projection – provided by the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) – has led to intense lobbying from Sir Patrick Vallance and other Government advisers for Boris Johnson to take more drastic action.

    "It's going to be worse this time, more deaths," said one well-placed source. "That is the projection that has been put in front of the Prime Minister, and he is now being put under a lot of pressure to lock down again."


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/27/second-covid-wave-forecast-deadly-first/

    Vaccine not incoming anytime soon. I notice from that article, it appears Macron is going to lockdown France for a month.
  • kjh said:

    There are things you shouldn't joke about at certain times in certain places that could lead to people for instance drinking bleach or inciting violence.
    Well if you drink bleach first you're unlikely to commit any violence.
  • Roy_G_BivRoy_G_Biv Posts: 998

    Roy_G_Biv said:

    FPT:
    Hm. Suppose you're trying to work out how much someone weighs. Do you go with a set of scales, however imprecise, or a thermometer?

    I might set some of my Y13s that question: how do measure someone’s mass with a thermometer? I can think of three ways off the top of my head...

    long lever / moment of force
    throw it at someone floating in space / kinetic energy calculation
    hmmm, struggling for a third
    I would have gone with conservation of momentum for your second one, and that was not one of the three I had in mind.
    If you are in space measure the value of g from the person would do it.

    One I was thinking of was to supply a know amount of heat to them and see how much their temperature changes.
    Then I had your first one.

    Another is to offer to give them the thermometer if they will tell you their weight ...
    Bomb calorimetry?

    Stick it in their middle, kill 'em and measure the time taken to return to RT?
    If you're allowed a spring as well, you could have the person bounce off the spring, and measure how much the spring heats up. What's that called, Young's modulus?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766

    Downing Street is privately working on the assumption that the second wave of coronavirus will be more deadly than the first, with the death toll remaining high throughout the winter.

    An internal analysis of the projected course of the second wave is understood to show deaths peaking at a lower level than in the spring but remaining at that level for weeks or even months.

    It is understood that the projection – provided by the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) – has led to intense lobbying from Sir Patrick Vallance and other Government advisers for Boris Johnson to take more drastic action.

    "It's going to be worse this time, more deaths," said one well-placed source. "That is the projection that has been put in front of the Prime Minister, and he is now being put under a lot of pressure to lock down again."


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/27/second-covid-wave-forecast-deadly-first/

    This "projected course" comes from another run of the outstanding prediction engine that is the Ferguson model?
  • HYUFD said:
    Maybe some Brits have such strong belief in the Shy Trumpskite vote, because they are afraid to let their neighbours know they are backing him, either as supporters OR bettors?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,209
    MrEd said:

    If you believe Nate Silver and the polls, then you definitely should be backing Biden at 5/6. It's a steal if the polls are right.

    If...

    It is a steal.

    When can you think of a national election where the polls have been more than four points wrong in recent times?

    2019 UK - basically right
    2018 Midterms - basically right, maybe Dems very slightly underrated
    2017 UK - Labour did three points better
    2017 France - Macron outperformed by 1%, Le Pen underperformed by 1%
    2016 - Brexit - Polls were four points out
    2016 US - Polls were one point out
    2012 US - Polls were three points out
    2008 US - Polls were basically right
  • alex_ said:

    Well that's OK then. Are you sure all his supporters are in on the joke?
    Since he was saying it would be bad as Kamala Harris was worse I don't think you need to worry about them doing anything.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,133
    edited October 2020

    HYUFD, do you REALLY think it does NOT matter to the future of American democracy AND the world, if someone openly opining about the assassination of his challenger is re-elected President of the United States?

    IF you REALLY do think that, then buddy, I am VERY sorry for you.

    As you have just pointed out Presidents do die in office and some have been shot unfortunately, it may be in poor taste but he did not say he hoped Biden was shot he said Harris would become President if he was and, his target was actually Harris and her leftwing record not Biden
  • I always wonder. Are Trump rallies totally unscripted, or does he just go totally off-piste in the middle of his autocue speech?
    Totally unscripted, unfettered, unregulated AND un-house-broken
    As ad-libbed works of fiction, on the entertainment front they are quite good. Better than plenty of improv comedy i have seen over the years.
    Dreaming out loud about your opponent being assassinated - in a country where FOUR presidents have been killed in just this manner, and five others have been targeted by would-be assassin - is WAY beyond the pale, even for a total piece of scum like Trumpsky.

    AND if YOU find it funny in this context, then I question just where your head is at?
    I wasn't talking about that specific statement. I meant in general I view his rally speeches as these comical ad-libbed stream of BS that is on the level of the absurdity of the likes of Comedy Store Players.
  • NOT a joking matter. NOT in the United States. NOT for a sitting President.

    Trumpsky is the joke - a VERY VERY VERY BAD ONE
  • LadyGLadyG Posts: 2,221
    kle4 said:

    Downing Street is privately working on the assumption that the second wave of coronavirus will be more deadly than the first, with the death toll remaining high throughout the winter.

    An internal analysis of the projected course of the second wave is understood to show deaths peaking at a lower level than in the spring but remaining at that level for weeks or even months.

    It is understood that the projection – provided by the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) – has led to intense lobbying from Sir Patrick Vallance and other Government advisers for Boris Johnson to take more drastic action.

    "It's going to be worse this time, more deaths," said one well-placed source. "That is the projection that has been put in front of the Prime Minister, and he is now being put under a lot of pressure to lock down again."


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/27/second-covid-wave-forecast-deadly-first/

    Great. As we're past the watershed, I'll simply 'Fuck this year'.
    As I said, this is what Swiss officials were quietly relaying some time ago, to their population-in-denial. The 2nd wave is going to be longer, nastier, and deathlier. BRACE
  • Be still my girlish laughter.

    Dunno if you were around in 2016 but there was a guy who claimed that a Trump supporting state official who described Michelle Obama as an 'ape in high heels' was only joking.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,670
    edited October 2020
    kle4 said:

    Downing Street is privately working on the assumption that the second wave of coronavirus will be more deadly than the first, with the death toll remaining high throughout the winter.

    An internal analysis of the projected course of the second wave is understood to show deaths peaking at a lower level than in the spring but remaining at that level for weeks or even months.

    It is understood that the projection – provided by the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) – has led to intense lobbying from Sir Patrick Vallance and other Government advisers for Boris Johnson to take more drastic action.

    "It's going to be worse this time, more deaths," said one well-placed source. "That is the projection that has been put in front of the Prime Minister, and he is now being put under a lot of pressure to lock down again."


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/27/second-covid-wave-forecast-deadly-first/

    Great. As we're past the watershed, I'll simply 'Fuck this year'.
    And very likely 'fuck 2021' as well.
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352

    I always wonder. Are Trump rallies totally unscripted, or does he just go totally off-piste in the middle of his autocue speech?
    He know's what he is doing; President Kamala, the most liberal-voting senator, is going down like a cup of cold sick in the swing states.
  • Be still my girlish laughter.

    Dunno if you were around in 2016 but there was a guy who claimed that a Trump supporting state official who described Michelle Obama as an 'ape in high heels' was only joking.
    So one Trump supporter said something bad 4 years ago, so we should all get offended by this now. Ok.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,410
    kle4 said:

    Downing Street is privately working on the assumption that the second wave of coronavirus will be more deadly than the first, with the death toll remaining high throughout the winter.

    An internal analysis of the projected course of the second wave is understood to show deaths peaking at a lower level than in the spring but remaining at that level for weeks or even months.

    It is understood that the projection – provided by the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) – has led to intense lobbying from Sir Patrick Vallance and other Government advisers for Boris Johnson to take more drastic action.

    "It's going to be worse this time, more deaths," said one well-placed source. "That is the projection that has been put in front of the Prime Minister, and he is now being put under a lot of pressure to lock down again."


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/27/second-covid-wave-forecast-deadly-first/

    Great. As we're past the watershed, I'll simply 'Fuck this year'.
    If that is right we need to worry that next year will be worse.
  • kle4 said:

    Downing Street is privately working on the assumption that the second wave of coronavirus will be more deadly than the first, with the death toll remaining high throughout the winter.

    An internal analysis of the projected course of the second wave is understood to show deaths peaking at a lower level than in the spring but remaining at that level for weeks or even months.

    It is understood that the projection – provided by the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) – has led to intense lobbying from Sir Patrick Vallance and other Government advisers for Boris Johnson to take more drastic action.

    "It's going to be worse this time, more deaths," said one well-placed source. "That is the projection that has been put in front of the Prime Minister, and he is now being put under a lot of pressure to lock down again."


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/27/second-covid-wave-forecast-deadly-first/

    Great. As we're past the watershed, I'll simply 'Fuck this year'.
    And very likely 'fuck 2021' as well.
    I think the investment in my home gym is going to be money well spent.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    HYUFD, do you REALLY think it does NOT matter to the future of American democracy AND the world, if someone openly opining about the assassination of his challenger is re-elected President of the United States?

    IF you REALLY do think that, then buddy, I am VERY sorry for you.

    2BpickyZfck, he is talking about the 25th amendment which does clarify in passing what happens when the president dies but is mainly about incapacitation, so by implication he means shot but not killed.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,209
    As an aside, I'm glad my business is in Arizona. During summer, the virus is rampant as everyone is inside, and during winter they can barbeque and eat outside and the virus recedes.
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382

    I always wonder. Are Trump rallies totally unscripted, or does he just go totally off-piste in the middle of his autocue speech?
    He know's what he is doing; President Kamala, the most liberal-voting senator, is going down like a cup of cold sick in the swing states.
    Source?
  • Downing Street is privately working on the assumption that the second wave of coronavirus will be more deadly than the first, with the death toll remaining high throughout the winter.

    An internal analysis of the projected course of the second wave is understood to show deaths peaking at a lower level than in the spring but remaining at that level for weeks or even months.

    It is understood that the projection – provided by the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) – has led to intense lobbying from Sir Patrick Vallance and other Government advisers for Boris Johnson to take more drastic action.

    "It's going to be worse this time, more deaths," said one well-placed source. "That is the projection that has been put in front of the Prime Minister, and he is now being put under a lot of pressure to lock down again."


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/27/second-covid-wave-forecast-deadly-first/

    This "projected course" comes from another run of the outstanding prediction engine that is the Ferguson model?
    Wasn't his prediction, in the end, quite accurate?

    --AS
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    edited October 2020

    Downing Street is privately working on the assumption that the second wave of coronavirus will be more deadly than the first, with the death toll remaining high throughout the winter.

    An internal analysis of the projected course of the second wave is understood to show deaths peaking at a lower level than in the spring but remaining at that level for weeks or even months.

    It is understood that the projection – provided by the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) – has led to intense lobbying from Sir Patrick Vallance and other Government advisers for Boris Johnson to take more drastic action.

    "It's going to be worse this time, more deaths," said one well-placed source. "That is the projection that has been put in front of the Prime Minister, and he is now being put under a lot of pressure to lock down again."


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/27/second-covid-wave-forecast-deadly-first/

    This "projected course" comes from another run of the outstanding prediction engine that is the Ferguson model?
    There must be enormous overlap with "normal" flu and other winter related deaths in those figures.
  • I always wonder. Are Trump rallies totally unscripted, or does he just go totally off-piste in the middle of his autocue speech?
    He know's what he is doing; President Kamala, the most liberal-voting senator, is going down like a cup of cold sick in the swing states.
    Your evidence for this?

    Besides fact that the number of Americans who vote for President based on their running mate has NEVER been large.

    Fact that Spiro Agnew and Dan Quayle were national jokes did NOT stop Nixon from being re-elected OR Bush the Elder from being elected (his defeat for re-election NOT being due to DQ).
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,209

    I always wonder. Are Trump rallies totally unscripted, or does he just go totally off-piste in the middle of his autocue speech?
    He know's what he is doing; President Kamala, the most liberal-voting senator, is going down like a cup of cold sick in the swing states.
    In what world is Ex Prosecutor Kamala Harris even in the top 10% of liberal voting Senators?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    On Topic Biden 1.51
  • kle4 said:

    Downing Street is privately working on the assumption that the second wave of coronavirus will be more deadly than the first, with the death toll remaining high throughout the winter.

    An internal analysis of the projected course of the second wave is understood to show deaths peaking at a lower level than in the spring but remaining at that level for weeks or even months.

    It is understood that the projection – provided by the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) – has led to intense lobbying from Sir Patrick Vallance and other Government advisers for Boris Johnson to take more drastic action.

    "It's going to be worse this time, more deaths," said one well-placed source. "That is the projection that has been put in front of the Prime Minister, and he is now being put under a lot of pressure to lock down again."


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/27/second-covid-wave-forecast-deadly-first/

    Great. As we're past the watershed, I'll simply 'Fuck this year'.
    And very likely 'fuck 2021' as well.
    I think the investment in my home gym is going to be money well spent.
    Ditto.

    Can someone recommend me some decent running shoes, my normal Nikes just can't cope.

    I've turned into Forrest Gump since lockdown.
  • Be still my girlish laughter.

    Dunno if you were around in 2016 but there was a guy who claimed that a Trump supporting state official who described Michelle Obama as an 'ape in high heels' was only joking.
    So one Trump supporter said something bad 4 years ago, so we should all get offended by this now. Ok.
    Nope, just 'he's clearly joking' is one of the most pishily meretricious defences going.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,133
    IshmaelZ said:

    HYUFD, do you REALLY think it does NOT matter to the future of American democracy AND the world, if someone openly opining about the assassination of his challenger is re-elected President of the United States?

    IF you REALLY do think that, then buddy, I am VERY sorry for you.

    2BpickyZfck, he is talking about the 25th amendment which does clarify in passing what happens when the president dies but is mainly about incapacitation, so by implication he means shot but not killed.
    IshmaelZ said:

    HYUFD, do you REALLY think it does NOT matter to the future of American democracy AND the world, if someone openly opining about the assassination of his challenger is re-elected President of the United States?

    IF you REALLY do think that, then buddy, I am VERY sorry for you.

    2BpickyZfck, he is talking about the 25th amendment which does clarify in passing what happens when the president dies but is mainly about incapacitation, so by implication he means shot but not killed.
    Reagan was shot and Bush Snr took over briefly while he was in hospital
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    edited October 2020
    rcs1000 said:

    I always wonder. Are Trump rallies totally unscripted, or does he just go totally off-piste in the middle of his autocue speech?
    He know's what he is doing; President Kamala, the most liberal-voting senator, is going down like a cup of cold sick in the swing states.
    In what world is Ex Prosecutor Kamala Harris even in the top 10% of liberal voting Senators?
    https://twitter.com/60Minutes/status/1320520061573095427
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766
    alex_ said:

    Downing Street is privately working on the assumption that the second wave of coronavirus will be more deadly than the first, with the death toll remaining high throughout the winter.

    An internal analysis of the projected course of the second wave is understood to show deaths peaking at a lower level than in the spring but remaining at that level for weeks or even months.

    It is understood that the projection – provided by the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) – has led to intense lobbying from Sir Patrick Vallance and other Government advisers for Boris Johnson to take more drastic action.

    "It's going to be worse this time, more deaths," said one well-placed source. "That is the projection that has been put in front of the Prime Minister, and he is now being put under a lot of pressure to lock down again."


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/27/second-covid-wave-forecast-deadly-first/

    This "projected course" comes from another run of the outstanding prediction engine that is the Ferguson model?
    There must be enormous overlap with "normal" flu and other winter related deaths in those figures.
    Shhh. Don't let the big secret out.
  • kle4 said:

    Downing Street is privately working on the assumption that the second wave of coronavirus will be more deadly than the first, with the death toll remaining high throughout the winter.

    An internal analysis of the projected course of the second wave is understood to show deaths peaking at a lower level than in the spring but remaining at that level for weeks or even months.

    It is understood that the projection – provided by the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) – has led to intense lobbying from Sir Patrick Vallance and other Government advisers for Boris Johnson to take more drastic action.

    "It's going to be worse this time, more deaths," said one well-placed source. "That is the projection that has been put in front of the Prime Minister, and he is now being put under a lot of pressure to lock down again."


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/27/second-covid-wave-forecast-deadly-first/

    Great. As we're past the watershed, I'll simply 'Fuck this year'.
    And very likely 'fuck 2021' as well.
    I think the investment in my home gym is going to be money well spent.
    Ditto.

    Can someone recommend me some decent running shoes, my normal Nikes just can't cope.

    I've turned into Forrest Gump since lockdown.
    Or Super Hands (out of Peep show) when he kicks the crack.
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    Wasn't Obama the "most Liberal voting senator"? Didn't seem to do him much harm in the swing states...
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766
    Here we go. The 'lock us all down now" brigade are back.

    https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/1321213111874031617
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,804
    edited October 2020

    kjh said:

    There are things you shouldn't joke about at certain times in certain places that could lead to people for instance drinking bleach or inciting violence.
    Well if you drink bleach first you're unlikely to commit any violence.
    You are relying there on the people he influences to do these things being complete idiots and not just half wits.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    kle4 said:

    Downing Street is privately working on the assumption that the second wave of coronavirus will be more deadly than the first, with the death toll remaining high throughout the winter.

    An internal analysis of the projected course of the second wave is understood to show deaths peaking at a lower level than in the spring but remaining at that level for weeks or even months.

    It is understood that the projection – provided by the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) – has led to intense lobbying from Sir Patrick Vallance and other Government advisers for Boris Johnson to take more drastic action.

    "It's going to be worse this time, more deaths," said one well-placed source. "That is the projection that has been put in front of the Prime Minister, and he is now being put under a lot of pressure to lock down again."


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/27/second-covid-wave-forecast-deadly-first/

    Great. As we're past the watershed, I'll simply 'Fuck this year'.
    And very likely 'fuck 2021' as well.
    Badminton Horse Trials said today that next year's event (5-9 May) will be behind closed doors. I had a lot of hope pinned on that being the first return to normal thing that was going to happen.
  • MrEd said:

    If you believe Nate Silver and the polls, then you definitely should be backing Biden at 5/6. It's a steal if the polls are right.

    If...

    It's a steal if the polls are wrong by a reasonable amount too.
  • Be still my girlish laughter.

    Dunno if you were around in 2016 but there was a guy who claimed that a Trump supporting state official who described Michelle Obama as an 'ape in high heels' was only joking.
    So one Trump supporter said something bad 4 years ago, so we should all get offended by this now. Ok.
    Nope, just 'he's clearly joking' is one of the most pishily meretricious defences going.
    His point was that Biden might not last the term and if that happens then Harris would become president.

    There was no way of him saying that without the terminally offended complaining about it.

    If he'd said Biden is old and likely to drop dead at any moment (which looks pretty likely judging from recent footage), people would be pretending to get offended by that instead.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,720
    LadyG said:

    kle4 said:

    Downing Street is privately working on the assumption that the second wave of coronavirus will be more deadly than the first, with the death toll remaining high throughout the winter.

    An internal analysis of the projected course of the second wave is understood to show deaths peaking at a lower level than in the spring but remaining at that level for weeks or even months.

    It is understood that the projection – provided by the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) – has led to intense lobbying from Sir Patrick Vallance and other Government advisers for Boris Johnson to take more drastic action.

    "It's going to be worse this time, more deaths," said one well-placed source. "That is the projection that has been put in front of the Prime Minister, and he is now being put under a lot of pressure to lock down again."


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/27/second-covid-wave-forecast-deadly-first/

    Great. As we're past the watershed, I'll simply 'Fuck this year'.
    As I said, this is what Swiss officials were quietly relaying some time ago, to their population-in-denial. The 2nd wave is going to be longer, nastier, and deathlier. BRACE
    It would be good to have an explanation instead of ex-cathedra pronouncements.

  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,998
    edited October 2020

    kle4 said:

    Downing Street is privately working on the assumption that the second wave of coronavirus will be more deadly than the first, with the death toll remaining high throughout the winter.

    An internal analysis of the projected course of the second wave is understood to show deaths peaking at a lower level than in the spring but remaining at that level for weeks or even months.

    It is understood that the projection – provided by the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) – has led to intense lobbying from Sir Patrick Vallance and other Government advisers for Boris Johnson to take more drastic action.

    "It's going to be worse this time, more deaths," said one well-placed source. "That is the projection that has been put in front of the Prime Minister, and he is now being put under a lot of pressure to lock down again."


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/27/second-covid-wave-forecast-deadly-first/

    Great. As we're past the watershed, I'll simply 'Fuck this year'.
    And very likely 'fuck 2021' as well.
    I think the investment in my home gym is going to be money well spent.
    Ditto.

    Can someone recommend me some decent running shoes, my normal Nikes just can't cope.

    I've turned into Forrest Gump since lockdown.
    My Sauconys coped quite well when I had a gym to go to. They're a bit garish which I know may be a problem for you.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:
    To be fair, PPP is a Democratic polling firm. Other polls in Montana have shown a much larger Trump lead there. It is entirely possible that PPP are also selectively releasing polling that favours a narrative that they think favours their cause. In this case to encourage their supporters to go to the polls by believing that the Democrats are in with a shout. Even if they don't need Montana for the White House, there is a tight Senate race there, so Dems going to the polls in Montana does matter a lot in terms of the prospects of the Dems controlling the Senate.

    I suggest that it's best at this point to discount all polling by conducted by companies that either have links to the respective parties (the likes of PPP, Trafalgar, Rasmussen) or which was commissioned by organisations which are strongly campaigning for either side.
    I think this is spot on: this is a poll designed to get Democrats to the poll to vote for Bullock under the mistaken impression that Montana might tip at the General.
    I will not take this scurilous reframing of of Biden's Montana surge lying down.

    This is real hard evidence of Biden taking Montana for 100% certain and the money I placed on him doing so at 12/1 has nothing to do with my prognostications.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,126
    IshmaelZ said:

    kle4 said:

    Downing Street is privately working on the assumption that the second wave of coronavirus will be more deadly than the first, with the death toll remaining high throughout the winter.

    An internal analysis of the projected course of the second wave is understood to show deaths peaking at a lower level than in the spring but remaining at that level for weeks or even months.

    It is understood that the projection – provided by the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) – has led to intense lobbying from Sir Patrick Vallance and other Government advisers for Boris Johnson to take more drastic action.

    "It's going to be worse this time, more deaths," said one well-placed source. "That is the projection that has been put in front of the Prime Minister, and he is now being put under a lot of pressure to lock down again."


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/27/second-covid-wave-forecast-deadly-first/

    Great. As we're past the watershed, I'll simply 'Fuck this year'.
    And very likely 'fuck 2021' as well.
    Badminton Horse Trials said today that next year's event (5-9 May) will be behind closed doors. I had a lot of hope pinned on that being the first return to normal thing that was going to happen.
    There go the planned elections as well. I'm still expecting them to at least defer the scheduled 2021 ones and just do the delayed 2020 ones.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,697
    The Trump campaign is trying hard to turn this into a gaffe.

    https://twitter.com/TVNewsHQ/status/1321208404896030720
  • FPT:
    Hm. Suppose you're trying to work out how much someone weighs. Do you go with a set of scales, however imprecise, or a thermometer?

    I might set some of my Y13s that question: how do measure someone’s mass with a thermometer? I can think of three ways off the top of my head...

    Wouldn't a bath of water work best?
  • kle4 said:

    Downing Street is privately working on the assumption that the second wave of coronavirus will be more deadly than the first, with the death toll remaining high throughout the winter.

    An internal analysis of the projected course of the second wave is understood to show deaths peaking at a lower level than in the spring but remaining at that level for weeks or even months.

    It is understood that the projection – provided by the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) – has led to intense lobbying from Sir Patrick Vallance and other Government advisers for Boris Johnson to take more drastic action.

    "It's going to be worse this time, more deaths," said one well-placed source. "That is the projection that has been put in front of the Prime Minister, and he is now being put under a lot of pressure to lock down again."


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/27/second-covid-wave-forecast-deadly-first/

    Great. As we're past the watershed, I'll simply 'Fuck this year'.
    And very likely 'fuck 2021' as well.
    I think the investment in my home gym is going to be money well spent.
    Ditto.

    Can someone recommend me some decent running shoes, my normal Nikes just can't cope.

    I've turned into Forrest Gump since lockdown.
    My Sauconys coped quite well when I had a gym to go to. They're a bit garish which I know may be a problem for you.
    Ta, I'm sure they must do something suitably sober.
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    When's the devastating tell all interview between Tucker Carlsen and Tony Bobbit due?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766
    geoffw said:

    LadyG said:

    kle4 said:

    Downing Street is privately working on the assumption that the second wave of coronavirus will be more deadly than the first, with the death toll remaining high throughout the winter.

    An internal analysis of the projected course of the second wave is understood to show deaths peaking at a lower level than in the spring but remaining at that level for weeks or even months.

    It is understood that the projection – provided by the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) – has led to intense lobbying from Sir Patrick Vallance and other Government advisers for Boris Johnson to take more drastic action.

    "It's going to be worse this time, more deaths," said one well-placed source. "That is the projection that has been put in front of the Prime Minister, and he is now being put under a lot of pressure to lock down again."


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/27/second-covid-wave-forecast-deadly-first/

    Great. As we're past the watershed, I'll simply 'Fuck this year'.
    As I said, this is what Swiss officials were quietly relaying some time ago, to their population-in-denial. The 2nd wave is going to be longer, nastier, and deathlier. BRACE
    It would be good to have an explanation instead of ex-cathedra pronouncements.

    Don't hold your breath. The "model says" is about as explanatory as we little people are going to get.
  • Here we go. The 'lock us all down now" brigade are back.

    https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/1321213111874031617

    I doubt Boris mps would agree to it
  • Roy_G_BivRoy_G_Biv Posts: 998

    Be still my girlish laughter.

    Dunno if you were around in 2016 but there was a guy who claimed that a Trump supporting state official who described Michelle Obama as an 'ape in high heels' was only joking.
    So one Trump supporter said something bad 4 years ago, so we should all get offended by this now. Ok.
    Nope, just 'he's clearly joking' is one of the most pishily meretricious defences going.
    His point was that Biden might not last the term and if that happens then Harris would become president.

    There was no way of him saying that without the terminally offended complaining about it.

    If he'd said Biden is old and likely to drop dead at any moment (which looks pretty likely judging from recent footage), people would be pretending to get offended by that instead.
    Can you point to where Trump has merrily speculated about his own death. Surely just as relevant, since he's the other main candidate, and a fat, wheezing bag of shit?
  • The Trump campaign is trying hard to turn this into a gaffe.

    https://twitter.com/TVNewsHQ/status/1321208404896030720

    What's the context? I'm Joe Biden's husband?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,459
    dixiedean said:

    kle4 said:

    Downing Street is privately working on the assumption that the second wave of coronavirus will be more deadly than the first, with the death toll remaining high throughout the winter.

    An internal analysis of the projected course of the second wave is understood to show deaths peaking at a lower level than in the spring but remaining at that level for weeks or even months.

    It is understood that the projection – provided by the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) – has led to intense lobbying from Sir Patrick Vallance and other Government advisers for Boris Johnson to take more drastic action.

    "It's going to be worse this time, more deaths," said one well-placed source. "That is the projection that has been put in front of the Prime Minister, and he is now being put under a lot of pressure to lock down again."


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/27/second-covid-wave-forecast-deadly-first/

    Great. As we're past the watershed, I'll simply 'Fuck this year'.
    If that is right we need to worry that next year will be worse.
    Vaccines are coming. Have faith people,
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    edited October 2020
    kle4 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    kle4 said:

    Downing Street is privately working on the assumption that the second wave of coronavirus will be more deadly than the first, with the death toll remaining high throughout the winter.

    An internal analysis of the projected course of the second wave is understood to show deaths peaking at a lower level than in the spring but remaining at that level for weeks or even months.

    It is understood that the projection – provided by the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) – has led to intense lobbying from Sir Patrick Vallance and other Government advisers for Boris Johnson to take more drastic action.

    "It's going to be worse this time, more deaths," said one well-placed source. "That is the projection that has been put in front of the Prime Minister, and he is now being put under a lot of pressure to lock down again."


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/27/second-covid-wave-forecast-deadly-first/

    Great. As we're past the watershed, I'll simply 'Fuck this year'.
    And very likely 'fuck 2021' as well.
    Badminton Horse Trials said today that next year's event (5-9 May) will be behind closed doors. I had a lot of hope pinned on that being the first return to normal thing that was going to happen.
    There go the planned elections as well. I'm still expecting them to at least defer the scheduled 2021 ones and just do the delayed 2020 ones.
    Surely with month's still to go they've got time to put in place 100% postal vote elections, if necessary haven't they? Not that i see why it should be necessary. Or are they claiming that campaigning difficulty is the problem?

    Although they could obviously have them in July or august without too much difficulty, even if things in general don't improve.
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    alex_ said:

    When's the devastating tell all interview between Tucker Carlsen and Tony Bobbit due?

    8pm ET apparently.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,205
    In that theamgreatness Florida poll is the following :

    Already voted

    Trump 36
    Biden 83
    Others 4

    (Total 127)

    5.2 million had voted at the start of the fieldwork, 6 million by the end date.

    Remaining 2 party voters split 156 Trump / 92 Biden

    Total 253

    There's simply not that many voters left !


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