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The Pressure of the Populist Right – politicalbetting.com
The Pressure of the Populist Right – politicalbetting.com
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Can't you stick to political betting, cut out your own self-importance, and make them a third of the length? Make one point and make it well.
Mike does this brilliantly.
Not sure why people get up early to badmouth stuff that by their own account they have neither the attention span or interest in reading.
I’ll be generous and assume bad tempered insomniac rather than narcissist.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/11/last-exit-trump-autocracy/616466/
https://twitter.com/gmopundit/status/1316460009002201088
But they're not intelligent enough to realise they ought to put them on properly.
Gee, thanks, antifrank. That didn’t improve the taste of my morning cornflakes.
I’m shocked. Shocked, I tell you.
The problem of the fissiparous right is they really need a cause to hang on, now that they have achieved their precious Brexit. Obviously anti-immigrant prejudice has to be central, but the theme of fighting the threats to our pure, virginal and innocent culture has become the vanguard. Hence the obsession with a fictitious "wokeness" taking over the country. They need to be the imaginary cure for imaginary diseases.
https://twitter.com/robpowellnews/status/1316626497772425217
Better to find a sustainable way to keep R at 1 or below than that.
https://twitter.com/magnusllewellin/status/1316610213110255617
"Spies have found it more difficult to trail suspects during the pandemic because of the empty streets caused by lockdown, the director-general of MI5 revealed yesterday." - Telegraph
Think of all that spycraft going to waste.
https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1316110458932219904?s=19
To the story we can add the parties we were promised (or threatened with) that never got done. Alan Sked - the very original founder of UKIp who parted company with his baby long ago - was briefly in the news again a few years ago through some new party he was intending to launch. Arron Banks during the Brexit parliamentary saga was apparently going to pour his money into a new party. And Farage at various times has threatened us with new political entities.
Once you start with a new party it clearly becomes a habit.
Shocking that we have this many replies without someone making a People's Front of Judea gag. Splitters!
The local tiers are divisive and create huge uncertainty for businesses and the public. Should I arrange to meet a friend for dinner at the weekend? Well according to the media it will probably be illegal by then, but I have no way of knowing if thats hype or not. Nor do businesses in terms of stock levels, you say its difficult for them to cope with a fixed period of closure but this purgatory is far worse. Once they are in tier 2 or 3 they have minimal govt support, which would change with a national picture as their lobbying would be more powerful.
I remarked on my Italy trip that it was the first time for decades driving about Italy that I hadn’t spotted any prostitutes standing out on the main roads, and whilst that isn’t illegal there is a lot of criminal activity behind it, not least people trafficking, which must surely be less viable currently.
It isn’t only ballerinas that might be retraining in cyber.....
You’re not looking at the spring figures - this is the lead up to autumn.
"intensifying the battles over the future of the UK" is also known as "taking back control".
Whilst a national lockdown might have “worked” because it simply targeted everything, any sustainable policy has to be more nuanced and target the causes or spread tailored to local circumstances. And for that there HAS to be more trust placed in local and regional authorities.
What I also think is that many plausible options get ruled out when directed centrally because the effects are just to large to comprehend that the might be implementable and/or work. For a relatively small group of people trying to get to grips with it. Max’s ideas on self isolation being one such example.
"Odze helped to set up the "Friends of Israel in UKIP", the logo of which featured a pound sign in the centre of a star of David. When it was pointed out that linking Jews and money had unfortunate connotations, Odze said this was more oversight than conspiracy.[7] He condemned the party's policy against religious slaughter as "wrong".[8]"
That's slaughter of animals for meat BTW. I had to check.
For the avoidance of doubt, I think the title at least is misleading. There is no pressure from the populist right in the UK.
Trump thought he had a nuclear deal with Putin. Not so fast, Russia said.
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/10/15/world/trump-nuclear-deal-putin-russia/
BTW is anyone up to date on the current state of the parties on the looney left now that Labour is having another try at social democracy?
The multiplication of parties perhaps suggests that they are just looking for a home. After all, when they find one (as in Trump’s new model Republican party), is there a particular cause ?
Now I’m just confused.
(and have messed up the blockquotes)
As for whether we have a sustainable way of doing that or not, I think its too early to tell. We've already got R falling week after week recently since priority went back into reducing R and the "back to the office to save Pret" idiocy was dropped. Doubling time has gone from 7 days to probably now being 13 days and its still falling and that's before Tier 3 was introduced. We could be hitting the second wave peak about now.
Absolute numbers this year are only part of it - we had record numbers infiltrating across the channel as well (4 times what they were the previous year) and there's nothing to stop it increasing still further next year. People are worried it'll continue to spiral out of control and the images we've seen on our TV screens this summer provide a very visceral example of our inability to adequately control our borders.
If centrists want to defeat the populist right then they need to come up with practical solutions that address this - not just put their fingers in their ears and assert ever more loudly that There Is No Problem. They tried that (and changing the subject) with the EU too and look where that got them. It's the voters that decide what's important to them and what needs addressing.
And it can be done: David Cameron got the closest I've seen for any PM with his thoughtful asylum policy. He abjectly failed with free movement (another example of centrist extremism - yes, ideologues exist there too) but he did - eventually - wake up to the issue.
Farage will pop up again if Boris doesn't own and grip this issue. Otherwise he will forever stay in the shadows.
https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/do0j3t84jg/TheTimes_VI_Tracker_201006.pdf
If Boris introduces another national lockdown or if concedes to the EU on fishing and state aid in order to get a trade deal with the EU there will likely be some further seepage from the Tories to the Brexit Party too
The alienation of so many from a society that rejects their values and rejects them is interesting. I know you feel differently but for me the remarkable thing is that 40 odd percent of those Americans who do manage to vote will vote for Trump. Rather than condemning it would be useful to ask why anyone would do this and what it is going to take to heal the divisions in their society that represents.
It's called international relations.
https://www.thenationalnews.com/uae/government/dubai-moves-to-attract-world-s-remote-workers-with-new-residency-programme-1.1093699
https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1316595168540348416?s=20
For proper left of centre people this must be a lasting cause of shame, for ordinary centrists this must leave serious question marks as to the balance and sanity of the Labour party as a whole. It isn't long ago that people in the party were suggesting that Richard Burgon, Dawn Butler, Laura Pidcock were serious future contenders for leader, and therefore Prime Minister.
The thing in SKS' favour is that a range of insoluble problems have to be cracked by someone else. As they are insoluble SKS' solutions are neither better or worse than anyone else's. He may as well devote himself to organising the fascist left out of the party, dealing with anti Semitism and telling us that he isn't Corbyn. He can do light training by pointing out the errors of government as they tackle insoluble problems.
One day he will have to draft a manifesto. It will be studied with care. But not now.
We've gone from "win" (2016) back to ignoring and laughing, which is where we were in the late 90s/ early 00s, but we shouldn't forget what's happened next.
If you want to keep laughing (or ignoring) the populist right then centrist parties need to address the issues that mobilise voters around them or they'll be doomed to relive the same experiences all over again - or worse. Just shouting more loudly that they're wrong and you don't agree won't do it.
The reason I keep saying centrists are like the Bourbons is that I don't see much evidence they've learn anything or forgotten anything from the last five years. So I'm not overly hopeful although I pray there is at least some cognitive diversity and intelligence out there.
https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1316559585411575813?s=20
https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1316562092388945923?s=20
https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1316561837203304448?s=20
Starmer is picking his battles. He's sidestepped on Brexit, statues and the other attempts from the Tories to start a culture war.
And he's chosen his ground on a circuit breaker lockdown, where he is backed by scientific advice, public opinion and the strong likelihood that Boris will end up having to introduce a lockdown policy soon.
In this case the applicant arrived here in March 2014 and his application for asylum was refused in 2015. His appeal was refused the same year. He is still here. 5 years after his appeal was refused he is still here.
This period is all too typical. The reason that the asylum is broken is that it is not implemented. No doubt in another few years there will be another appeal, once again funded by public funds. What is the point of a system that produces decisions that are not implemented? Why do we waste our time and money like this?
I'm increasingly sceptical of the government's approach and certainly don't think a national lockdown (which incidentally I think will end up being for months with a short break at Xmas) is the right thing at the moment.
Yet I voted Remain.
Treating the voters with disdain at best and contempt at worst for having the audacity to be concerned about immigration can only have one ultimate outcome.
That is the one of the top four failures of UK party policy since the war.
For voters Brexit is an issue for centrists. There are not enough extremists to go round for Brexit to have won the referendum. The maths is plain. The establishment is still in denial about this - perhaps because the policy failure is too great to face.
They have the most visited news website in the UK after BBC and Twitter. They are definitely powerful in the UK.
Nevertheless it's because the issue of the EU and full immigration control (on the levers) was addressed that so many left-wing/centrist liberals on here this morning can enjoy laughing at the patheticness of UKIP and their outriders.
It has precisely nothing at all to do with them. Had we followed their policies those parties would now be on 30%+ of the national vote and the kingmakers in any Government, and demanding even more radical politics than we have at present.
Hooray/boo terms like 'populist' don't really inform.
The fact that their values marry up with what's in their business interests is entirely coincidential of course.
@Scott_xP, the interesting tweet in that thread is this one:
https://twitter.com/DavidHenigUK/status/1316635413004644352
But two points:-
1.Facts should not be ignored. Asylum claims are down this year. Wishing such facts away does not help anyone.
2.One country on its own can do relatively little. Britain could, for instance, invest in the system which determines asylum claims some that they are dealt with speedily and efficiently. But there is a resistance to that because that would involve spending money on courts and lawyers or something. The delays will therefore get worse, which is unfair and infuriating to everyone concerned.
But changing what asylum means / getting agreement with other countries re the return of those who do not qualify / sharing information and intelligence / dealing with people traffickers etc all necessarily involve working with other countries. Just shouting about controlling our borders will not get us very far but that - and attacking those doing their job under existing laws - seem to be the extent of this government’s policy.
Very entertaining Alastair
A national lockdown which would have to be at least 4 weeks is not justified until the results of tiering are anaylised
France has locked down 9 cities with 9.00 - 6.00 curfews and that should be considered next if tier 3 is not working
There can be no justification for closing areas with low covid rates