Have to question that poll - looks like only 60pc of those polled were likely voters.
Having said that, doesn’t look as though much has changed in perceptions of the main candidates on the major issues.
Some interesting sub-question findings. Since plenty of here will do the hit job on Donald, I’ll focus on what they said about Joe - 40pc believe he has dementia, 48pc that he supports defunding the police and 49pc that be Will beholden to the “socialists”
He very clearly does not have dementia. 2 minutes of watching him speak will tell you that.
Surely the article should have started "Privately educated Oxbridge graduate Tim Davie..."
Whatever happened to judging people on merit alone?
We never had it?
Though I don't see how actively ruling out certain people is a better solution than not revealing what establishment provided the education of the applicants.
What an angry front page. Sounds like Trump to be honest.
Anyway I don't think the execution or the messaging is the best but our Gov'ts Covid *strategy* is probably about as good as we can muddle through right now.
I note Starmer refused to vote down the bill which could have kept the pubs open, but then goes onto critisice (Or something). Certainly looks a bit like Captain Hindsight to me on this, and I've been a fan of his performances previously.
We can re-evaluate after phase 3 trial results.
The Daily Mail front page is always angry as far as I can remember.
Surely the article should have started "Privately educated Oxbridge graduate Tim Davie..."
Whatever happened to judging people on merit alone?
And concentrating on making decent tv shows....One of the biggest problems the BBC has, it that it hasn't adapted to the reality of the new media landscape. When they do have a hit show, they make 6 episodes every 2 years, while Netflix / HBO produce 20 episodes per season every year, while there are huge numbers of content creators putting out new videos daily on YouTube.
Because of iPads and phones people consume huge amounts of video. Having 6hrs of decent quality show will last somebody a week of their commute and then that's it.
As I have said before Trump is Biden's closest friend in the G7, if Trump loses Boris will be put last on Biden's speed dial behind Merkel, Macron, Trudeau etc though Boris will at least have Yoshihide Suga, the new Japanese PM as the source of his one FTA so far.
There is no doubt a Biden win will be a boost for Starmer and a blow to Boris, it also makes a No Deal Brexit less likely given there would be no FTAs with the EU or a Biden led US, the UK's two largest export destinations
"Trump is Biden's closest friend" is a classic typo.
In some ways it might be true this week, since Trump seem to be working flat out to gift the Presidency to Biden.
This is boring. Can't we carry on talking about how great/terrible (delete as appropriate) Brexit is?
OK. Brexit is in the capable hands of Gove and Cummings, the people who wrecked education so not even Oxbridge graduates can be trusted to read an autocue. Gove cares about fish. Cummings cares about state aid for the same reason Jeremy Corbyn did but now he's read on pb that the German government has no trouble spaffing cash at GMBHs and nor does Rishi Sunak, so LPF is less of a barrier now. And that's it, really. Jacob Rees-Mogg told us we'd be billions, or was it trillions, better off out and what with the pandemic, every little helps.
Surely the article should have started "Privately educated Oxbridge graduate Tim Davie..."
What is wrong with the national broadcaster hiring from our top universities?
And what is wrong with them trying to broaden the field? The trouble is Oxbridge is seen as some unquestionable mark of ability. Met some right dimwits from there who I wouldn't trust to open a letter.
Surely the article should have started "Privately educated Oxbridge graduate Tim Davie..."
What is wrong with the national broadcaster hiring from our top universities?
And what is wrong with them trying to broaden the field? The trouble is Oxbridge is seen as some unquestionable mark of ability. Met some right dimwits from there who I wouldn't trust to open a letter.
Surely the article should have started "Privately educated Oxbridge graduate Tim Davie..."
What is wrong with the national broadcaster hiring from our top universities?
And what is wrong with them trying to broaden the field? The trouble is Oxbridge is seen as some unquestionable mark of ability. Met some right dimwits from there who I wouldn't trust to open a letter.
There is no problem with diversity, there is a problem with positive discrimination against able Oxbridge graduates
Surely the article should have started "Privately educated Oxbridge graduate Tim Davie..."
What is wrong with the national broadcaster hiring from our top universities?
Its called "levelling up" I believe, giving the left behind towns a chance.
American tech firms famously found their top employees did not come, as they had thought, from their top universities. Maybe the same is true here. Look at the BBC's top earners. Gary Lineker did not go to Oxbridge and neither did Zoe Ball. Has anyone checked the rest of the list?
Surely the article should have started "Privately educated Oxbridge graduate Tim Davie..."
What is wrong with the national broadcaster hiring from our top universities?
Its called "levelling up" I believe, giving the left behind towns a chance.
So gifted kids from those towns that got into Oxford or Cambridge are just out of luck?
I suspect that they will do OK,
If the country is serious about opening doors to a wider range of people, then this is what needs to happen. Having everything run by Oxbridge graduates is far too common in this country.
As I have said before Trump is Biden's closest friend in the G7, if Trump loses Boris will be put last on Biden's speed dial behind Merkel, Macron, Trudeau etc though Boris will at least have Yoshihide Suga, the new Japanese PM as the source of his one FTA so far.
There is no doubt a Biden win will be a boost for Starmer and a blow to Boris, it also makes a No Deal Brexit less likely given there would be no FTAs with the EU or a Biden led US, the UK's two largest export destinations
"Trump is Biden's closest friend" is a classic typo.
In some ways it might be true this week, since Trump seem to be working flat out to gift the Presidency to Biden.
Yes, Trump does seem to putting forward his best efforts to ensure he doesn’t peak too early.
Surely the article should have started "Privately educated Oxbridge graduate Tim Davie..."
What is wrong with the national broadcaster hiring from our top universities?
And what is wrong with them trying to broaden the field? The trouble is Oxbridge is seen as some unquestionable mark of ability. Met some right dimwits from there who I wouldn't trust to open a letter.
Surely the article should have started "Privately educated Oxbridge graduate Tim Davie..."
What is wrong with the national broadcaster hiring from our top universities?
And what is wrong with them trying to broaden the field? The trouble is Oxbridge is seen as some unquestionable mark of ability. Met some right dimwits from there who I wouldn't trust to open a letter.
They don't need to, others open letters for them.
Bloody good job too. Wouldn't want an industrial injury claim
Surely the article should have started "Privately educated Oxbridge graduate Tim Davie..."
What is wrong with the national broadcaster hiring from our top universities?
And what is wrong with them trying to broaden the field? The trouble is Oxbridge is seen as some unquestionable mark of ability. Met some right dimwits from there who I wouldn't trust to open a letter.
Yes - and sadly they’re now in government or running Test and Trace.
They've been wibbling on about this so called traffic light system for at least a week. Earlier this evening the whisper was that it would be introduced on Monday. Now we hear it will be announced on Monday.
FFS. Just get on with it. How many more people will get infected while the Cabinet argue amongst themselves? Pathetic.
Surely the article should have started "Privately educated Oxbridge graduate Tim Davie..."
What is wrong with the national broadcaster hiring from our top universities?
And what is wrong with them trying to broaden the field? The trouble is Oxbridge is seen as some unquestionable mark of ability. Met some right dimwits from there who I wouldn't trust to open a letter.
There is no problem with diversity, there is a problem with positive discrimination against able Oxbridge graduates
It is not positive or any other sort of discrimination if the BBC casts its net more widely. Too many British companies look at Oxbridge mainly and Russell Group only.
Surely the article should have started "Privately educated Oxbridge graduate Tim Davie..."
What is wrong with the national broadcaster hiring from our top universities?
And what is wrong with them trying to broaden the field? The trouble is Oxbridge is seen as some unquestionable mark of ability. Met some right dimwits from there who I wouldn't trust to open a letter.
There is no problem with diversity, there is a problem with positive discrimination against able Oxbridge graduates
It is not positive or any other sort of discrimination if the BBC casts its net more widely. Too many British companies look at Oxbridge mainly and Russell Group only.
That is correct. The problem is that there is considerable resistance to the idea of measuring the quality of various degree courses, directly. Some of the ex-poly are very strong in various subjects. Some of the Russell Group are very weak in certain subjects.
Surely the article should have started "Privately educated Oxbridge graduate Tim Davie..."
What is wrong with the national broadcaster hiring from our top universities?
And what is wrong with them trying to broaden the field? The trouble is Oxbridge is seen as some unquestionable mark of ability. Met some right dimwits from there who I wouldn't trust to open a letter.
There is no problem with diversity, there is a problem with positive discrimination against able Oxbridge graduates
It is not positive or any other sort of discrimination if the BBC casts its net more widely. Too many British companies look at Oxbridge mainly and Russell Group only.
That is because you need to get to a certain academic grade level at GCSE and A level to gain admittance and for corporate and professional jobs that need a certain level of intellect to do that is inevitable
It seems almost all those who disapprove of Trump are voting for Biden but about 4% of those who approve of Trump are now refusing to say they will vote for him
Not that I put any stock at all in such comments and I don't know why it even came up, but for what it is worth from the BBC
Senator Chris Coons, a Democrat from Joe Biden's home state of Delaware, has been speaking to BBC World TV.
Addressing what Biden's foreign policy would look like if he wins the presidency, Coons said: "I am hopeful that we could make reasonably prompt progress towards negotiating a free trade agreement with the United Kingdom... in recognition of this critical special relationship."
Coons, touted as a possible Biden pick for secretary of state, added that the issue of the Irish and Northern Ireland border is "critical" and "has to be handled properly".
"But I do think it is appropriate for us to move towards this sort of close relationship in trade that has long been the case in foreign relations as well," he said, "because we are two countries, so similarly rooted in shared values."
A lot of talk which does not say much, but at least it's not simply outright hostile!
So clearly Trump has been told no vaccine will be ready for months, so the new Trump spin is that you can now all have these untested drugs that will cure you if you get COVID. I presume this is news to the drug companies themselves, let alone the FDA.
Not that I put any stock at all in such comments and I don't know why it even came up, but for what it is worth from the BBC
Senator Chris Coons, a Democrat from Joe Biden's home state of Delaware, has been speaking to BBC World TV.
Addressing what Biden's foreign policy would look like if he wins the presidency, Coons said: "I am hopeful that we could make reasonably prompt progress towards negotiating a free trade agreement with the United Kingdom... in recognition of this critical special relationship."
Coons, touted as a possible Biden pick for secretary of state, added that the issue of the Irish and Northern Ireland border is "critical" and "has to be handled properly".
"But I do think it is appropriate for us to move towards this sort of close relationship in trade that has long been the case in foreign relations as well," he said, "because we are two countries, so similarly rooted in shared values."
A lot of talk which does not say much, but at least it's not simply outright hostile!
Not that I put any stock at all in such comments and I don't know why it even came up, but for what it is worth from the BBC
Senator Chris Coons, a Democrat from Joe Biden's home state of Delaware, has been speaking to BBC World TV.
Addressing what Biden's foreign policy would look like if he wins the presidency, Coons said: "I am hopeful that we could make reasonably prompt progress towards negotiating a free trade agreement with the United Kingdom... in recognition of this critical special relationship."
Coons, touted as a possible Biden pick for secretary of state, added that the issue of the Irish and Northern Ireland border is "critical" and "has to be handled properly".
"But I do think it is appropriate for us to move towards this sort of close relationship in trade that has long been the case in foreign relations as well," he said, "because we are two countries, so similarly rooted in shared values."
A lot of talk which does not say much, but at least it's not simply outright hostile!
I've said before, we are far, far more likely to get a deal actually agreed and ratified with Biden than Trump.
So clearly Trump has been told no vaccine will be ready for months, so the new Trump spin is that you can now all have these untested drugs that will cure you if you get COVID. I presume this is news to the drug companies themselves, let alone the FDA.
They aren't therapeutic. I call them a cure! Say what you like, the guys got the spiel.
Not that I put any stock at all in such comments and I don't know why it even came up, but for what it is worth from the BBC
Senator Chris Coons, a Democrat from Joe Biden's home state of Delaware, has been speaking to BBC World TV.
Addressing what Biden's foreign policy would look like if he wins the presidency, Coons said: "I am hopeful that we could make reasonably prompt progress towards negotiating a free trade agreement with the United Kingdom... in recognition of this critical special relationship."
Coons, touted as a possible Biden pick for secretary of state, added that the issue of the Irish and Northern Ireland border is "critical" and "has to be handled properly".
"But I do think it is appropriate for us to move towards this sort of close relationship in trade that has long been the case in foreign relations as well," he said, "because we are two countries, so similarly rooted in shared values."
A lot of talk which does not say much, but at least it's not simply outright hostile!
This is boring. Can't we carry on talking about how great/terrible (delete as appropriate) Brexit is?
OK. Brexit is in the capable hands of Gove and Cummings, the people who wrecked education so not even Oxbridge graduates can be trusted to read an autocue. Gove cares about fish. Cummings cares about state aid for the same reason Jeremy Corbyn did but now he's read on pb that the German government has no trouble spaffing cash at GMBHs and nor does Rishi Sunak, so LPF is less of a barrier now. And that's it, really. Jacob Rees-Mogg told us we'd be billions, or was it trillions, better off out and what with the pandemic, every little helps.
I suspect it's going to be "Brexit would have been amazing, but Covid fucked it up".
So clearly Trump has been told no vaccine will be ready for months, so the new Trump spin is that you can now all have these untested drugs that will cure you if you get COVID. I presume this is news to the drug companies themselves, let alone the FDA.
They aren't therapeutic. I call them a cure! Say what you like, the guys got the spiel.
He's as mad as a box of frogs.
It is downright dangerous to tell people to go out and about as normal, "do not be afraid" as there is a "cure" which 'he will pay for'.
If Trump was the only one who had tested positive for COVID in the white house, I might be able to get on board the conspiracy theory that he never had it, it was all reality tv show stuff and then he makes this announcement that these drugs will cure you and he will make them free. All as a massive election stunt.
Instead he has got it and now trying desperately into some sort of positive as clearly he has been told the vaccines are months away.
This is interesting and might be significant as it is Covid-19 driving people to vote against Trump.
Trump sounds coherent, more so than before, fluent and even slightly manic. There's a pivot away from the vaccine onto treatment. As noted about the tweet earlier, there was a long (relatively long) section blaming China. The paean to medical and public sector workers could have been scripted in Britain. The share price of the companies mentioned will presumably spike tomorrow morning.
So clearly Trump has been told no vaccine will be ready for months, so the new Trump spin is that you can now all have these untested drugs that will cure you if you get COVID. I presume this is news to the drug companies themselves, let alone the FDA.
They aren't therapeutic. I call them a cure! Say what you like, the guys got the spiel.
Not that I put any stock at all in such comments and I don't know why it even came up, but for what it is worth from the BBC
Senator Chris Coons, a Democrat from Joe Biden's home state of Delaware, has been speaking to BBC World TV.
Addressing what Biden's foreign policy would look like if he wins the presidency, Coons said: "I am hopeful that we could make reasonably prompt progress towards negotiating a free trade agreement with the United Kingdom... in recognition of this critical special relationship."
Coons, touted as a possible Biden pick for secretary of state, added that the issue of the Irish and Northern Ireland border is "critical" and "has to be handled properly".
"But I do think it is appropriate for us to move towards this sort of close relationship in trade that has long been the case in foreign relations as well," he said, "because we are two countries, so similarly rooted in shared values."
A lot of talk which does not say much, but at least it's not simply outright hostile!
I've said before, we are far, far more likely to get a deal actually agreed and ratified with Biden than Trump.
We won't, Biden and Pelosi will throw us to the back of the queue unless the government withdraws the Internal Markets Bill
Not that I put any stock at all in such comments and I don't know why it even came up, but for what it is worth from the BBC
Senator Chris Coons, a Democrat from Joe Biden's home state of Delaware, has been speaking to BBC World TV.
Addressing what Biden's foreign policy would look like if he wins the presidency, Coons said: "I am hopeful that we could make reasonably prompt progress towards negotiating a free trade agreement with the United Kingdom... in recognition of this critical special relationship."
Coons, touted as a possible Biden pick for secretary of state, added that the issue of the Irish and Northern Ireland border is "critical" and "has to be handled properly".
"But I do think it is appropriate for us to move towards this sort of close relationship in trade that has long been the case in foreign relations as well," he said, "because we are two countries, so similarly rooted in shared values."
A lot of talk which does not say much, but at least it's not simply outright hostile!
I've said before, we are far, far more likely to get a deal actually agreed and ratified with Biden than Trump.
Nothing wrong with a bit of incitement, apparently:
"A 58 percent majority thinks the way Trump talks about racial inequality is leading to an increase in violence, including 28 percent of those supporting him. For comparison, 38 percent believe Biden’s language incites violence, including 17 percent backing him." (Fox poll)
What about disruption? That's cool roo:
" A record 41 percent see the disruption Trump has brought to Washington as a good thing, up from 35 percent two years ago."
Surely the article should have started "Privately educated Oxbridge graduate Tim Davie..."
What is wrong with the national broadcaster hiring from our top universities?
And what is wrong with them trying to broaden the field? The trouble is Oxbridge is seen as some unquestionable mark of ability. Met some right dimwits from there who I wouldn't trust to open a letter.
There is no problem with diversity, there is a problem with positive discrimination against able Oxbridge graduates
It is not positive or any other sort of discrimination if the BBC casts its net more widely. Too many British companies look at Oxbridge mainly and Russell Group only.
That is because you need to get to a certain academic grade level at GCSE and A level to gain admittance and for corporate and professional jobs that need a certain level of intellect to do that is inevitable
What is the level of intellect needed to read an autocue? Are our top doctors trained at Oxbridge? Lawyers, computer programmers, entrepreneurs? Maybe they are. Or maybe, once preferential recruitment is removed as a factor, talent is more widely spread around the country.
The BBC is not, so far as I can tell, saying it will not recruit from Oxbridge, but that it will not only recruit from there. No more lefty comics straight from Footlights. You'd have thought it would be welcomed on here by PBers who have long complained about left-wing bias at the BBC that its recruitment practices were to change. Tbh I suspect that is actually the motivation!
Surely the article should have started "Privately educated Oxbridge graduate Tim Davie..."
What is wrong with the national broadcaster hiring from our top universities?
And what is wrong with them trying to broaden the field? The trouble is Oxbridge is seen as some unquestionable mark of ability. Met some right dimwits from there who I wouldn't trust to open a letter.
There is no problem with diversity, there is a problem with positive discrimination against able Oxbridge graduates
It is not positive or any other sort of discrimination if the BBC casts its net more widely. Too many British companies look at Oxbridge mainly and Russell Group only.
That is because you need to get to a certain academic grade level at GCSE and A level to gain admittance and for corporate and professional jobs that need a certain level of intellect to do that is inevitable
What is the level of intellect needed to read an autocue? Are our top doctors trained at Oxbridge? Lawyers, computer programmers, entrepreneurs? Maybe they are. Or maybe, once preferential recruitment is removed as a factor, talent is more widely spread around the country.
The BBC is not, so far as I can tell, saying it will not recruit from Oxbridge, but that it will not only recruit from there. No more lefty comics straight from Footlights. You'd have thought it would be welcomed on here by PBers who have long complained about left-wing bias at the BBC that its recruitment practices were to change. Tbh I suspect that is actually the motivation!
To get into medical school anywhere you need top A level grades and hence even if you don't go to Oxbridge you will have at or near Oxbridge entry A level grades anyway.
Most of our top commercial barristers went to Oxbridge, most of our top corporate solicitors and criminal barristers to the Russell Group at least, Bill Gates went to Harvard even if he dropped out. If you are an entrepreneur by your very nature you don't get hired, you create the business and do the hiring yourself.
Plus all the BBC will likely do is replace some Oxbridge grads with a few even more woke and left wing Manchester Met grads, don't think they are going to start hiring rightwing, pro Brexit comedians and journalists from West Bromwich who never went to university at all
Call me cynical, but this leak of the vaccine starting before Christmas at the same time as the government are leaking out (not a) Lockdown 2.0, very convenient timing....its like they are trying to again message, please be good, don't kill Granny, as by next month there (could) will be news on the vaccine.
A-Levels are not necessarily a judge of intelligence, in my experience anyway
I agree on that, GCSE results are probably a better overall measure of intelligence as you have to do English, Maths and Science, whereas at A Level you can specialise in Arts or Sciences
Not that I put any stock at all in such comments and I don't know why it even came up, but for what it is worth from the BBC
Senator Chris Coons, a Democrat from Joe Biden's home state of Delaware, has been speaking to BBC World TV.
Addressing what Biden's foreign policy would look like if he wins the presidency, Coons said: "I am hopeful that we could make reasonably prompt progress towards negotiating a free trade agreement with the United Kingdom... in recognition of this critical special relationship."
Coons, touted as a possible Biden pick for secretary of state, added that the issue of the Irish and Northern Ireland border is "critical" and "has to be handled properly".
"But I do think it is appropriate for us to move towards this sort of close relationship in trade that has long been the case in foreign relations as well," he said, "because we are two countries, so similarly rooted in shared values."
A lot of talk which does not say much, but at least it's not simply outright hostile!
I've said before, we are far, far more likely to get a deal actually agreed and ratified with Biden than Trump.
We won't, Biden and Pelosi will throw us to the back of the queue unless the government withdraws the Internal Markets Bill
Not that I put any stock at all in such comments and I don't know why it even came up, but for what it is worth from the BBC
Senator Chris Coons, a Democrat from Joe Biden's home state of Delaware, has been speaking to BBC World TV.
Addressing what Biden's foreign policy would look like if he wins the presidency, Coons said: "I am hopeful that we could make reasonably prompt progress towards negotiating a free trade agreement with the United Kingdom... in recognition of this critical special relationship."
Coons, touted as a possible Biden pick for secretary of state, added that the issue of the Irish and Northern Ireland border is "critical" and "has to be handled properly".
"But I do think it is appropriate for us to move towards this sort of close relationship in trade that has long been the case in foreign relations as well," he said, "because we are two countries, so similarly rooted in shared values."
A lot of talk which does not say much, but at least it's not simply outright hostile!
I've said before, we are far, far more likely to get a deal actually agreed and ratified with Biden than Trump.
We won't, Biden and Pelosi will throw us to the back of the queue unless the government withdraws the Internal Markets Bill
The first argument is trash anyway: no way Wilbur Ross will still be the US Trade Rep even in the event of a Trump win.
He is right though, plus a Biden administration would be the most pro Dublin since Kennedy, Biden would listen solely to Michael Martin on how the Internal Markets Bill breaches the GFA (even though it doesn't), largely ignore Boris who the Democrats will see as a mini British Trump and there would then be no UK US FTA as long as Boris remains PM and the Internal Markets Bill is UK law
I foresee tonight's debate having few long term consequences on the Presidential race.
Kamala is very far from being BLM, and has a record as a Prosecutor, so I think Pence will struggle to pin urban violence on her.
Pence is not Trump, and is a far more measured character, and therefore I don't expect Ms Harris to land many blows. (Simply: she's not in court.)
A good performance from Pence though could ensure he is early frontrunner for the 2024 GOP nomination, assuming Trump loses, remembering of course VP Mondale was Democratic nominee in 1984 after Carter lost in 1980
I foresee tonight's debate having few long term consequences on the Presidential race.
Kamala is very far from being BLM, and has a record as a Prosecutor, so I think Pence will struggle to pin urban violence on her.
Pence is not Trump, and is a far more measured character, and therefore I don't expect Ms Harris to land many blows. (Simply: she's not in court.)
A good performance from Pence though could ensure he is early frontrunner for the 2024 GOP nomination, assuming Trump loses, remembering of course VP Mondale was Democratic nominee in 1984 after Carter lost in 1980
If Trump loses, Pence is going to be off the pace. The association with Trump just won't help him for 2024.
I foresee tonight's debate having few long term consequences on the Presidential race.
Kamala is very far from being BLM, and has a record as a Prosecutor, so I think Pence will struggle to pin urban violence on her.
Pence is not Trump, and is a far more measured character, and therefore I don't expect Ms Harris to land many blows. (Simply: she's not in court.)
A good performance from Pence though could ensure he is early frontrunner for the 2024 GOP nomination, assuming Trump loses, remembering of course VP Mondale was Democratic nominee in 1984 after Carter lost in 1980
If Trump loses, Pence is going to be off the pace. The association with Trump just won't help him for 2024.
If Trump loses the Democrats will likely be in for 2 or even 3 presidential elections as the GOP were after the defeat of Carter and the Democrats after a single White House term in 1980.
In which case which other ambitious Republican would bother challenging Pence for the 2024 GOP nomination unless Biden and Harris make an absolute pigs ear of the next 4 years? They will build their careers and polish their CVs in Congress or state politics instead and wait until 2028 or 2032 for a presidential run
I foresee tonight's debate having few long term consequences on the Presidential race.
Kamala is very far from being BLM, and has a record as a Prosecutor, so I think Pence will struggle to pin urban violence on her.
Pence is not Trump, and is a far more measured character, and therefore I don't expect Ms Harris to land many blows. (Simply: she's not in court.)
A good performance from Pence though could ensure he is early frontrunner for the 2024 GOP nomination, assuming Trump loses, remembering of course VP Mondale was Democratic nominee in 1984 after Carter lost in 1980
If Trump loses, Pence is going to be off the pace. The association with Trump just won't help him for 2024.
If Trump loses the Democrats will likely be in for 2 or even 3 presidential elections as the GOP were after the defeat of Carter and the Democrats after a single White House term in 1980.
In which case which other ambitious Republican would bother challenging Pence for the 2024 GOP nomination unless Biden and Harris make an absolute pigs ear of the next 4 years? They will build their careers and polish their CVs in Congress or state politics instead and wait until 2028 or 2032 for a presidential run
I foresee tonight's debate having few long term consequences on the Presidential race.
Kamala is very far from being BLM, and has a record as a Prosecutor, so I think Pence will struggle to pin urban violence on her.
Pence is not Trump, and is a far more measured character, and therefore I don't expect Ms Harris to land many blows. (Simply: she's not in court.)
A good performance from Pence though could ensure he is early frontrunner for the 2024 GOP nomination, assuming Trump loses, remembering of course VP Mondale was Democratic nominee in 1984 after Carter lost in 1980
If Trump loses, Pence is going to be off the pace. The association with Trump just won't help him for 2024.
If Trump loses the Democrats will likely be in for 2 or even 3 presidential elections as the GOP were after the defeat of Carter and the Democrats after a single White House term in 1980.
In which case which other ambitious Republican would bother challenging Pence for the 2024 GOP nomination unless Biden and Harris make an absolute pigs ear of the next 4 years? They will build their careers and polish their CVs in Congress or state politics instead and wait until 2028 or 2032 for a presidential run
I foresee tonight's debate having few long term consequences on the Presidential race.
Kamala is very far from being BLM, and has a record as a Prosecutor, so I think Pence will struggle to pin urban violence on her.
Pence is not Trump, and is a far more measured character, and therefore I don't expect Ms Harris to land many blows. (Simply: she's not in court.)
A good performance from Pence though could ensure he is early frontrunner for the 2024 GOP nomination, assuming Trump loses, remembering of course VP Mondale was Democratic nominee in 1984 after Carter lost in 1980
If Trump loses, Pence is going to be off the pace. The association with Trump just won't help him for 2024.
If Trump loses the Democrats will likely be in for 2 or even 3 presidential elections as the GOP were after the defeat of Carter and the Democrats after a single White House term in 1980.
In which case which other ambitious Republican would bother challenging Pence for the 2024 GOP nomination unless Biden and Harris make an absolute pigs ear of the next 4 years? They will build their careers and polish their CVs in Congress or state politics instead and wait until 2028 or 2032 for a presidential run
I foresee tonight's debate having few long term consequences on the Presidential race.
Kamala is very far from being BLM, and has a record as a Prosecutor, so I think Pence will struggle to pin urban violence on her.
Pence is not Trump, and is a far more measured character, and therefore I don't expect Ms Harris to land many blows. (Simply: she's not in court.)
A good performance from Pence though could ensure he is early frontrunner for the 2024 GOP nomination, assuming Trump loses, remembering of course VP Mondale was Democratic nominee in 1984 after Carter lost in 1980
If Trump loses, Pence is going to be off the pace. The association with Trump just won't help him for 2024.
If Trump loses the Democrats will likely be in for 2 or even 3 presidential elections as the GOP were after the defeat of Carter and the Democrats after a single White House term in 1980.
In which case which other ambitious Republican would bother challenging Pence for the 2024 GOP nomination unless Biden and Harris make an absolute pigs ear of the next 4 years? They will build their careers and polish their CVs in Congress or state politics instead and wait until 2028 or 2032 for a presidential run
I foresee tonight's debate having few long term consequences on the Presidential race.
Kamala is very far from being BLM, and has a record as a Prosecutor, so I think Pence will struggle to pin urban violence on her.
Pence is not Trump, and is a far more measured character, and therefore I don't expect Ms Harris to land many blows. (Simply: she's not in court.)
A good performance from Pence though could ensure he is early frontrunner for the 2024 GOP nomination, assuming Trump loses, remembering of course VP Mondale was Democratic nominee in 1984 after Carter lost in 1980
If Trump loses, Pence is going to be off the pace. The association with Trump just won't help him for 2024.
If Trump loses the Democrats will likely be in for 2 or even 3 presidential elections as the GOP were after the defeat of Carter and the Democrats after a single White House term in 1980.
In which case which other ambitious Republican would bother challenging Pence for the 2024 GOP nomination unless Biden and Harris make an absolute pigs ear of the next 4 years? They will build their careers and polish their CVs in Congress or state politics instead and wait until 2028 or 2032 for a presidential run
People who run for President by definition have the ego to believe they can win.
The political battlefield is also scattered with the corpses of people who decided to bide their time. Think, for example of Democrats who saw George Bush Snr's approval ratings in 1990/91 and decided to sit out his inevitable romp to victory in 1992.
In politics, you have to back yourself or nobody else will. If a GOP politician's star is in the ascendency in 2024, they'd be foolish to wait. Because what will happen is some other bugger will slip in and pull off a shock win, or the state of which they are Governor will have a scandal over unsafe drinking water, or their Senate career will take a knock due to allegations from a disgruntled ex-employee, or people will simply tire of them and they will be old news in 2028.
I foresee tonight's debate having few long term consequences on the Presidential race.
Kamala is very far from being BLM, and has a record as a Prosecutor, so I think Pence will struggle to pin urban violence on her.
Pence is not Trump, and is a far more measured character, and therefore I don't expect Ms Harris to land many blows. (Simply: she's not in court.)
A good performance from Pence though could ensure he is early frontrunner for the 2024 GOP nomination, assuming Trump loses, remembering of course VP Mondale was Democratic nominee in 1984 after Carter lost in 1980
If Trump loses, Pence is going to be off the pace. The association with Trump just won't help him for 2024.
If Trump loses the Democrats will likely be in for 2 or even 3 presidential elections as the GOP were after the defeat of Carter and the Democrats after a single White House term in 1980.
In which case which other ambitious Republican would bother challenging Pence for the 2024 GOP nomination unless Biden and Harris make an absolute pigs ear of the next 4 years? They will build their careers and polish their CVs in Congress or state politics instead and wait until 2028 or 2032 for a presidential run
Let's see how he looks to Republicans if Trump loses to Biden next month.
Pence is a dry, bland, forgettable little man who will have no position and will be - as his boss likes to say so often and so loudly - a stone cold LOSER.
It'll be "Mike who?" by 2024 in that case. Pence's only realistic way to the nomination is if Trump wins next month.
I foresee tonight's debate having few long term consequences on the Presidential race.
Kamala is very far from being BLM, and has a record as a Prosecutor, so I think Pence will struggle to pin urban violence on her.
Pence is not Trump, and is a far more measured character, and therefore I don't expect Ms Harris to land many blows. (Simply: she's not in court.)
A good performance from Pence though could ensure he is early frontrunner for the 2024 GOP nomination, assuming Trump loses, remembering of course VP Mondale was Democratic nominee in 1984 after Carter lost in 1980
If Trump loses, Pence is going to be off the pace. The association with Trump just won't help him for 2024.
If Trump loses the Democrats will likely be in for 2 or even 3 presidential elections as the GOP were after the defeat of Carter and the Democrats after a single White House term in 1980.
In which case which other ambitious Republican would bother challenging Pence for the 2024 GOP nomination unless Biden and Harris make an absolute pigs ear of the next 4 years? They will build their careers and polish their CVs in Congress or state politics instead and wait until 2028 or 2032 for a presidential run
Let's see how he looks to Republicans if Trump loses to Biden next month.
Pence is a dry, bland, forgettable little man who will have no position and will be - as his boss likes to say so often and so loudly - a stone cold LOSER.
It'll be "Mike who?" by 2024 in that case. Pence's only realistic way to the nomination is if Trump wins next month.
It isn't, ask Carter's VP Mondale who got the nomination for the Democrats in 1984 4 years after Carter Mondale lost in 1980
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Though I don't see how actively ruling out certain people is a better solution than not revealing what establishment provided the education of the applicants.
Talking of Labour Leadership contenders I only learned this week that Jess Phillips is Kevin Phillips' cousin. Respect!
Because of iPads and phones people consume huge amounts of video. Having 6hrs of decent quality show will last somebody a week of their commute and then that's it.
(Google suggests cousin-in-law)
In some ways it might be true this week, since Trump seem to be working flat out to gift the Presidency to Biden.
"A blessing from God"
The trouble is Oxbridge is seen as some unquestionable mark of ability.
Met some right dimwits from there who I wouldn't trust to open a letter.
https://twitter.com/nataliewsj/status/1313890706981879815
If the country is serious about opening doors to a wider range of people, then this is what needs to happen. Having everything run by Oxbridge graduates is far too common in this country.
A stunningly large number of people (i.e. Non zero) who thought the Dems would make modest gains at best and not flip the house.
Confirmed cases of coronavirus in Brazil have passed five million, with deaths in the country approaching 150,000, officials say.
They've been wibbling on about this so called traffic light system for at least a week. Earlier this evening the whisper was that it would be introduced on Monday. Now we hear it will be announced on Monday.
FFS. Just get on with it. How many more people will get infected while the Cabinet argue amongst themselves? Pathetic.
Night all.
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1313959702104023047?s=21
https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/09/22/1008709/brazil-manaus-covid-coronavirus-herd-immunity-pandemic/
1 in 500 dead, in a city where only 6% are over 60 years old.
https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1313969958750224384?s=20
https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1313969488266698753?s=20
Senator Chris Coons, a Democrat from Joe Biden's home state of Delaware, has been speaking to BBC World TV.
Addressing what Biden's foreign policy would look like if he wins the presidency, Coons said: "I am hopeful that we could make reasonably prompt progress towards negotiating a free trade agreement with the United Kingdom... in recognition of this critical special relationship."
Coons, touted as a possible Biden pick for secretary of state, added that the issue of the Irish and Northern Ireland border is "critical" and "has to be handled properly".
"But I do think it is appropriate for us to move towards this sort of close relationship in trade that has long been the case in foreign relations as well," he said, "because we are two countries, so similarly rooted in shared values."
A lot of talk which does not say much, but at least it's not simply outright hostile!
Say what you like, the guys got the spiel.
It is downright dangerous to tell people to go out and about as normal, "do not be afraid" as there is a "cure" which 'he will pay for'.
Absolutely bonkers!
Instead he has got it and now trying desperately into some sort of positive as clearly he has been told the vaccines are months away.
Trump sounds coherent, more so than before, fluent and even slightly manic. There's a pivot away from the vaccine onto treatment. As noted about the tweet earlier, there was a long (relatively long) section blaming China. The paean to medical and public sector workers could have been scripted in Britain. The share price of the companies mentioned will presumably spike tomorrow morning.
https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1313949043911950336?s=20
https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1313563426086551552?s=20
https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1306334039557586944?s=20
https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1304113778515161089?s=20
"A 58 percent majority thinks the way Trump talks about racial inequality is leading to an increase in violence, including 28 percent of those supporting him. For comparison, 38 percent believe Biden’s language incites violence, including 17 percent backing him." (Fox poll)
What about disruption? That's cool roo:
" A record 41 percent see the disruption Trump has brought to Washington as a good thing, up from 35 percent two years ago."
The BBC is not, so far as I can tell, saying it will not recruit from Oxbridge, but that it will not only recruit from there. No more lefty comics straight from Footlights. You'd have thought it would be welcomed on here by PBers who have long complained about left-wing bias at the BBC that its recruitment practices were to change. Tbh I suspect that is actually the motivation!
Most of our top commercial barristers went to Oxbridge, most of our top corporate solicitors and criminal barristers to the Russell Group at least, Bill Gates went to Harvard even if he dropped out. If you are an entrepreneur by your very nature you don't get hired, you create the business and do the hiring yourself.
Plus all the BBC will likely do is replace some Oxbridge grads with a few even more woke and left wing Manchester Met grads, don't think they are going to start hiring rightwing, pro Brexit comedians and journalists from West Bromwich who never went to university at all
Kamala is very far from being BLM, and has a record as a Prosecutor, so I think Pence will struggle to pin urban violence on her.
Pence is not Trump, and is a far more measured character, and therefore I don't expect Ms Harris to land many blows. (Simply: she's not in court.)
In which case which other ambitious Republican would bother challenging Pence for the 2024 GOP nomination unless Biden and Harris make an absolute pigs ear of the next 4 years? They will build their careers and polish their CVs in Congress or state politics instead and wait until 2028 or 2032 for a presidential run
https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/status/1294045129834213382?s=20
https://twitter.com/maggienyt/status/1313986263918227462?s=21
The political battlefield is also scattered with the corpses of people who decided to bide their time. Think, for example of Democrats who saw George Bush Snr's approval ratings in 1990/91 and decided to sit out his inevitable romp to victory in 1992.
In politics, you have to back yourself or nobody else will. If a GOP politician's star is in the ascendency in 2024, they'd be foolish to wait. Because what will happen is some other bugger will slip in and pull off a shock win, or the state of which they are Governor will have a scandal over unsafe drinking water, or their Senate career will take a knock due to allegations from a disgruntled ex-employee, or people will simply tire of them and they will be old news in 2028.
Pence is a dry, bland, forgettable little man who will have no position and will be - as his boss likes to say so often and so loudly - a stone cold LOSER.
It'll be "Mike who?" by 2024 in that case. Pence's only realistic way to the nomination is if Trump wins next month.
Pence ignores question.
There is still the odd mismatch between Trump at 2.98 and Republican at 3.00. It persists as the prices move. What can it mean?
I think both are doing OK in presentation. Both often don't answer the question. Harris has better material given the Trump track record.
I suspect this will be seen as a draw or perhaps Harris edging it.
I guess this is about expectations. Harris was expected to beat Pence in this debate and it looks fairly even.
No surprise there!
https://twitter.com/SenMikeLee/status/1314016169993670656