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Keiran Pedley’s Ipsos MORI podcast: The new COVID regulations + Starmer takes to the stage – politic

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edited September 24 in General
imageKeiran Pedley’s Ipsos MORI podcast: The new COVID regulations + Starmer takes to the stage – politicalbetting.com

On this week’s Ipsos MORI Politics & Society podcast, Keiran Pedley is joined by Katy Balls, Deputy Political Editor of The Spectator and Ben Walker, Data Journalist at the New Statesman and founder of the Britain Elects website.

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  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 3,891
    No comments.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 7,191
    Tumbleweed blowing across this thread.
  • ThirdRateHorseBattery
  • Nice of the Tories to promote Keir on first name terms as well
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  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 7,191

    ThirdRateHorseBattery

    Nah.

    Never a one trick pony!
  • TimTTimT Posts: 1,369
    So, how does one collect 300,000 used condoms in the first place?

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/vietnam-condom-recycling-police-raid-factory-used-resale/
  • TimT said:

    So, how does one collect 300,000 used condoms in the first place?

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/vietnam-condom-recycling-police-raid-factory-used-resale/

    With a VERY long forked stick?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 8,776
    FPT.
    Just been out in the toon. Train in and out was at 25% capacity 2 weeks ago.
    Today around 8 on each journey. Most places shut at 8pm. Couldn't find a single coffee shop open in the city centre.
    Most pubs open but quiet.
    BUT. The 3 or 4 noted student pubs/clubs I passed were absolutely rammed.
    I mean queues outside, wall-to-wall full, dancing on tables at 9pm, bacchanalia. As if it were 2 am.
    Can't see this flattening the NE spike.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 7,672
    UK case by specimen date -

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  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 7,672
    UK cases by specimen date, scaled to 100K population

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  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 7,672
    UK case summaries

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  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 25,915
    edited September 24
    Alistair said:
    Except it’s not just Bloomberg, but tens of thousands of smaller donors too, both Democrat and Republican.
    Basically, De Santis and cronies want to establish a poll tax.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 7,672
    UK hospitals

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  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 7,672
    UK deaths

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  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 49,487
    edited September 24

    UK hospitals

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    1400+ in hospital with COVID. All those tales of totally empty specialist wards are going to be a thing of the past shortly.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 7,672
    If anyone wants access to the original spreadsheets, PM me.
  • Thanks for the graphs as always
  • Nigelb said:

    Alistair said:
    Except it’s not just Bloomberg, but tens of thousands of smaller donors too, both Democrat and Republican.
    Basically, De Santis and cronies want to establish a poll tax.
    Personally think Mike Bloomberg walked right into this one, thanks to cherry picking which felons he was enfranchising in 2020. Would expect that legal action will effectively keep most of MB's targets off the FL voter rolls.

    Very similar to when Al Gore blew it in 2000, by trying to cherry pick which counties in which to request recounts. Even though he was advised by actual recount experts NOT to do that, but instead to demand a full statewide hand recount. Which was Big Al's critical post-EDay mistake.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 223
    edited September 24
    A real mixed bag of USA polling today with some more positive news for Trump that was until his favourite news Channel Fox dropped 3 polls out of Ohio , Pennsylvania and Nevada!

    Biden leads by 5 in Ohio, 7 in Pennsylvania and 11 in Nevada !
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 49,487
    edited September 24
    HYUFD said:
    I don't think he will be asked for follow up anytime soon.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 223
    $200 will buy you hardly anything given the cost of prescription drugs there , this looks desperate . I see he’s given his new plan a fancy title to dupe his gullible thick supporters .
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 8,776
    Pity he didn't succeed in dismantling the Postal Service.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 7,449
    "Glasgow City to wear Ruth Bader Ginsburg name on kit"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54269575
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 78,329
    HYUFD said:
    So pro independence voters can vote SNP, pro hard Brexit, anti indyref2 voters can vote Scottish Conservative and anti hard Brexit, anti indyref2 voters can vote Scottish LD. What exactly is the point of Scottish Labour?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 7,449
    Telling students they can't go home for Christmas just seems too extreme. Maybe another solution can be found.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 56,922
    edited September 24
    HYUFD said:
    I really think massive sales are a bonus but not the main point of a politial memoir. I think the title sets out the motivation more than a desire to have a bestseller in this case. Despite what the bookshelf backdrops of political commentators would have us believe, very few normal people buy political memoirs, even if he'd have liked that. I'd go so far as to say it's seriously weird behaviour.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 34,638
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:
    So pro independence voters can vote SNP, pro hard Brexit, anti indyref2 voters can vote Scottish Conservative and anti hard Brexit, anti indyref2 voters can vote Scottish LD. What exactly is the point of Scottish Labour?
    Labour is the party for conservatives.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 14,891
    This is how you get the law of American politics that the most audacious candidate wins.
  • Andy_JS said:

    Telling students they can't go home for Christmas just seems too extreme. Maybe another solution can be found.

    The obvious alternative is you test every student in the last week of term.
  • dodradedodrade Posts: 495
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:
    I really think massive sales are a bonus but not the main point of a politial memoir. I think the title sets out the motivation more than a desire to have a bestseller in this case. Despite what the bookshelf backdrops of political commentators would have us believe, very few normal people buy political memoirs, even if he'd have liked that. I'd go so far as to say it's seriously weird behaviour.
    Getting outsold by Sasha Swire would be pretty cruel.

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 62,066

    This is how you get the law of American politics that the most audacious candidate wins.
    Didn't he do a thousand instead of furlough ?
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 3,155
    Andy_JS said:

    Telling students they can't go home for Christmas just seems too extreme. Maybe another solution can be found.

    Why is there such a widespread assumption that come Xmas (almost 3 months away) students will be seen as a high risk? It’s the next month that people should be worried about, no? Homesick people, dropouts, people wanting their washing done, people finding that the living conditions they are required to adhere to are too grim and realising they can effectively operate from home with all the online learning?

    In 3 months it could well have burned out among the student populations.
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 3,155
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/london-hospitals-sick-children-turned-away-covid-patients-a4555011.html

    Genuine question - why are the Nightingale hospital(s) being treated (it seems?) as “overflow” facilities rather than primary destinations for Covid sufferers?

  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 14,891
    edited September 25
    nico679 said:

    A real mixed bag of USA polling today with some more positive news for Trump that was until his favourite news Channel Fox dropped 3 polls out of Ohio , Pennsylvania and Nevada!

    Biden leads by 5 in Ohio, 7 in Pennsylvania and 11 in Nevada !

    Loving the replies to that one.

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  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 2,091
    alex_ said:

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/london-hospitals-sick-children-turned-away-covid-patients-a4555011.html

    Genuine question - why are the Nightingale hospital(s) being treated (it seems?) as “overflow” facilities rather than primary destinations for Covid sufferers?

    There was a start made on.creating Nightingale Care Homes as well, a local hotel was opened as one near me. It sounds like discharged patients are going into isolation bubbles (separate staff &c) in normal care homes.

    I'm guessing they just hadvskeleton staff over the summer, and key workers went back to their normal jobs?
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 3,413
    Rishi's Eat Out, Help Out has been a significant factor in failing to control the virus
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 18,846
    alex_ said:

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/london-hospitals-sick-children-turned-away-covid-patients-a4555011.html

    Genuine question - why are the Nightingale hospital(s) being treated (it seems?) as “overflow” facilities rather than primary destinations for Covid sufferers?

    The article indicates that there are problems maintaining safe staffing levels, so wanting to concentrate children's services on fewer London sites.

    The problem with the Nightingale Hospitals is lack of staff. Patients with severe covid have multiple failing organ systems. Treating them requires expertise, and lots of support services, not just hot broth.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 18,846

    Rishi's Eat Out, Help Out has been a significant factor in failing to control the virus

    I see the figure of only 5% of cases are acquired via the hospitality industry*. I don't know the source of it though, and I too am sceptical. We know that spreading events occur where there is a combination of crowding, poor ventilation and close proximity. Add in alcohol and you pretty much have the definition of pubs.

    * I would be interested to see some proper figures published by T and T on where spreading events occur.

  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 7,887
    The group was scathing about Mr Johnson, who was described as a “lunatic”, “bumbling”, a “buffoon” and untrustworthy.

    They described Matt Hancock, the UK health secretary, as a “bumbling idiot” while Dominic Raab, the foreign secretary, was said to look “angry”.

    The only UK cabinet minister who was seen in a positive light was Rishi Sunak, the chancellor.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/scotland/boris-johnson-boosting-support-for-scottish-independence-dzzzk2jk0
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 25,915
    Republican Senator Proposes Bill That Would Make It Illegal to Count Votes
    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/09/republican-senator-bill-illegal-mail-vote-count-deadline.html
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 7,449
    edited September 25
    O/T

    "Rat awarded gold medal for 'lifesaving bravery' after detecting dozens of landmines in Cambodia
    Magawa has cleared more than 141,000 square metres of land, reducing the risk of injury or death for those living near landmines."

    https://news.sky.com/story/rat-awarded-medal-for-lifesaving-bravery-after-detecting-dozens-of-landmines-in-cambodia-12080861
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 7,449
    edited September 25
    Nigelb said:

    Republican Senator Proposes Bill That Would Make It Illegal to Count Votes
    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/09/republican-senator-bill-illegal-mail-vote-count-deadline.html

    What he's proposing is similar to the situation in most other countries, where postal votes have to be counted on the night or very soon after, and have to be received by polling day itself. (But that doesn't mean it's a good idea for the United States).
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 25,915
    HYUFD said:
    Shame he’s an authoritarian crook like his boss.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 25,915
    Treat and track has its problems.
    As does isolate...

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 25,915
    Andy_JS said:

    Nigelb said:

    Republican Senator Proposes Bill That Would Make It Illegal to Count Votes
    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/09/republican-senator-bill-illegal-mail-vote-count-deadline.html

    What he's proposing is similar to the situation in most other countries, where postal votes have to be counted on the night or very soon after, and have to be received by polling day itself. (But that doesn't mean it's a good idea for the United States).
    What he’s proposing, weeks before an election, is to make it utterly impossible to count a massive number of votes.
    It would be a joke if today’s Republicans weren’t absolutely serious about disenfranchising their opponents.
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  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 33,140
    alex_ said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Telling students they can't go home for Christmas just seems too extreme. Maybe another solution can be found.

    Why is there such a widespread assumption that come Xmas (almost 3 months away) students will be seen as a high risk? It’s the next month that people should be worried about, no? Homesick people, dropouts, people wanting their washing done, people finding that the living conditions they are required to adhere to are too grim and realising they can effectively operate from home with all the online learning?

    In 3 months it could well have burned out among the student populations.
    I've been saying this repeatedly. Once again our policies, such as they are, are not addressing the current and obvious risk as per @dixiedean's post downthread. We are seeing very widespread outbreaks on the majority of University campuses now. Right now.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 3,891
    alex_ said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Telling students they can't go home for Christmas just seems too extreme. Maybe another solution can be found.

    Why is there such a widespread assumption that come Xmas (almost 3 months away) students will be seen as a high risk? It’s the next month that people should be worried about, no? Homesick people, dropouts, people wanting their washing done, people finding that the living conditions they are required to adhere to are too grim and realising they can effectively operate from home with all the online learning?

    In 3 months it could well have burned out among the student populations.
    Infantilism. Christmas, grannies, poppies and Our NHS are the only things which hold our attention these days. Picture Captain Tom dressed up as Santa and you have a full house.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 33,140
    Nigelb said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Nigelb said:

    Republican Senator Proposes Bill That Would Make It Illegal to Count Votes
    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/09/republican-senator-bill-illegal-mail-vote-count-deadline.html

    What he's proposing is similar to the situation in most other countries, where postal votes have to be counted on the night or very soon after, and have to be received by polling day itself. (But that doesn't mean it's a good idea for the United States).
    What he’s proposing, weeks before an election, is to make it utterly impossible to count a massive number of votes.
    It would be a joke if today’s Republicans weren’t absolutely serious about disenfranchising their opponents.
    The US situation where votes seem to continue to drift in a week or more after polling day is just one of the multiple absurdities and a cut off is not per se unreasonable but the determination to disenfranchise so much of the population really raises questions as to whether the US can be counted as a democracy at all. The stories downthread about fines etc being paid to re-enfranchise voters in Florida are another example.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 20,033
    IshmaelZ said:

    alex_ said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Telling students they can't go home for Christmas just seems too extreme. Maybe another solution can be found.

    Why is there such a widespread assumption that come Xmas (almost 3 months away) students will be seen as a high risk? It’s the next month that people should be worried about, no? Homesick people, dropouts, people wanting their washing done, people finding that the living conditions they are required to adhere to are too grim and realising they can effectively operate from home with all the online learning?

    In 3 months it could well have burned out among the student populations.
    Infantilism. Christmas, grannies, poppies and Our NHS are the only things which hold our attention these days. Picture Captain Tom dressed up as Santa and you have a full house.
    Be very, very careful what you wish for!

    You do know that it's suggested a film may be made about him?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 32,060
    TimT said:

    So, how does one collect 300,000 used condoms in the first place?

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/vietnam-condom-recycling-police-raid-factory-used-resale/

    That’s a hard one.

    I’ll get my coat...
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 10,706
    Can we assume that every night club in the country is about to go bust?
  • GadflyGadfly Posts: 966

    IshmaelZ said:

    alex_ said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Telling students they can't go home for Christmas just seems too extreme. Maybe another solution can be found.

    Why is there such a widespread assumption that come Xmas (almost 3 months away) students will be seen as a high risk? It’s the next month that people should be worried about, no? Homesick people, dropouts, people wanting their washing done, people finding that the living conditions they are required to adhere to are too grim and realising they can effectively operate from home with all the online learning?

    In 3 months it could well have burned out among the student populations.
    Infantilism. Christmas, grannies, poppies and Our NHS are the only things which hold our attention these days. Picture Captain Tom dressed up as Santa and you have a full house.
    Be very, very careful what you wish for!

    You do know that it's suggested a film may be made about him?
    Starring Idris Elba?
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 3,891

    Can we assume that every night club in the country is about to go bust?

    How can they not? Repositioning as day clubs isn't going to work.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 25,065
    DavidL said:

    alex_ said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Telling students they can't go home for Christmas just seems too extreme. Maybe another solution can be found.

    Why is there such a widespread assumption that come Xmas (almost 3 months away) students will be seen as a high risk? It’s the next month that people should be worried about, no? Homesick people, dropouts, people wanting their washing done, people finding that the living conditions they are required to adhere to are too grim and realising they can effectively operate from home with all the online learning?

    In 3 months it could well have burned out among the student populations.
    I've been saying this repeatedly. Once again our policies, such as they are, are not addressing the current and obvious risk as per @dixiedean's post downthread. We are seeing very widespread outbreaks on the majority of University campuses now. Right now.
    David YAAL!

    Although they are adults surely there is something anti human rightsy about telling students they can't go home?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 33,140
    Scott_xP said:
    Between Scylla and Charybdis as our classicist PM might (not) say.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,096
    IshmaelZ said:

    Can we assume that every night club in the country is about to go bust?

    How can they not? Repositioning as day clubs isn't going to work.
    Use them as day centers for the elderly.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 33,140

    Can we assume that every night club in the country is about to go bust?

    I would think that the only thing to question there is the tense.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 17,396

    Nigelb said:

    Alistair said:
    Except it’s not just Bloomberg, but tens of thousands of smaller donors too, both Democrat and Republican.
    Basically, De Santis and cronies want to establish a poll tax.
    Personally think Mike Bloomberg walked right into this one, thanks to cherry picking which felons he was enfranchising in 2020. Would expect that legal action will effectively keep most of MB's targets off the FL voter rolls.

    Very similar to when Al Gore blew it in 2000, by trying to cherry pick which counties in which to request recounts. Even though he was advised by actual recount experts NOT to do that, but instead to demand a full statewide hand recount. Which was Big Al's critical post-EDay mistake.
    That's not true though, the orginisation Bloomberg donated to accepts applications from all former felons g nod discrimination based on race.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 33,140
    nichomar said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Can we assume that every night club in the country is about to go bust?

    How can they not? Repositioning as day clubs isn't going to work.
    Use them as day centers for the elderly.
    Several pubs in the Grassmarket in Edinburgh promote themselves as day care centres for husbands so that wives can do important things like shopping without interruption. But your average nightclub is not the most salubrious place to have a quiet pint or two.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 3,891
    nichomar said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Can we assume that every night club in the country is about to go bust?

    How can they not? Repositioning as day clubs isn't going to work.
    Use them as day centers for the elderly.
    The profit margins aren't the same, and concentrating the elderly into centers is a bit contra indicated atm.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 29,076
    A significant proportion of patients who develop life-threatening forms of Covid-19 have genetic or immunological defects that impair their ability to fight the virus, research has found.

    In papers published in the journal Science, the Covid Human Genetic Effort international consortium describes two glitches in severely ill Covid-19 patients that prevent them from making a frontline immune molecule called type 1 interferon.

    The patients would have carried these glitches for years before the pandemic, or in the case of the genetic errors, all their lives. The discovery may help to explain a mystery surrounding the coronavirus: why it leaves some sufferers sick or dying in intensive care, while others remain barely affected or asymptomatic.

    These findings were described by one scientist as “astonishing”. Together, the two types of error account for about 15% of life-threatening Covid-19 cases, according to the immunologist Jean-Laurent Casanova of the Rockefeller University in New York City and the Necker Hospital for Sick Children in Paris, who co-directs the consortium.

    Casanova suspects human genetics will end up explaining the majority of such cases, however, because the consortium has only looked for mutations in 13 of the 300-odd type 1 interferon-related genes so far – already a huge undertaking.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 33,140
    TOPPING said:

    DavidL said:

    alex_ said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Telling students they can't go home for Christmas just seems too extreme. Maybe another solution can be found.

    Why is there such a widespread assumption that come Xmas (almost 3 months away) students will be seen as a high risk? It’s the next month that people should be worried about, no? Homesick people, dropouts, people wanting their washing done, people finding that the living conditions they are required to adhere to are too grim and realising they can effectively operate from home with all the online learning?

    In 3 months it could well have burned out among the student populations.
    I've been saying this repeatedly. Once again our policies, such as they are, are not addressing the current and obvious risk as per @dixiedean's post downthread. We are seeing very widespread outbreaks on the majority of University campuses now. Right now.
    David YAAL!

    Although they are adults surely there is something anti human rightsy about telling students they can't go home?
    What is a "YAAL"?

    I agree that it is completely unrealistic and unacceptable to stop students getting home. The question to be asked is whether their accommodation should have been opened in the first place.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 17,396
    alex_ said:

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/london-hospitals-sick-children-turned-away-covid-patients-a4555011.html

    Genuine question - why are the Nightingale hospital(s) being treated (it seems?) as “overflow” facilities rather than primary destinations for Covid sufferers?

    Because they don't have any staff.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 10,706
    @dixiedean which pubs were packed in Newcastle?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 25,065
    DavidL said:

    TOPPING said:

    DavidL said:

    alex_ said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Telling students they can't go home for Christmas just seems too extreme. Maybe another solution can be found.

    Why is there such a widespread assumption that come Xmas (almost 3 months away) students will be seen as a high risk? It’s the next month that people should be worried about, no? Homesick people, dropouts, people wanting their washing done, people finding that the living conditions they are required to adhere to are too grim and realising they can effectively operate from home with all the online learning?

    In 3 months it could well have burned out among the student populations.
    I've been saying this repeatedly. Once again our policies, such as they are, are not addressing the current and obvious risk as per @dixiedean's post downthread. We are seeing very widespread outbreaks on the majority of University campuses now. Right now.
    David YAAL!

    Although they are adults surely there is something anti human rightsy about telling students they can't go home?
    What is a "YAAL"?

    I agree that it is completely unrealistic and unacceptable to stop students getting home. The question to be asked is whether their accommodation should have been opened in the first place.
    You Are A Lawyer!!

    :smile:
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 33,140
    IanB2 said:

    A significant proportion of patients who develop life-threatening forms of Covid-19 have genetic or immunological defects that impair their ability to fight the virus, research has found.

    In papers published in the journal Science, the Covid Human Genetic Effort international consortium describes two glitches in severely ill Covid-19 patients that prevent them from making a frontline immune molecule called type 1 interferon.

    The patients would have carried these glitches for years before the pandemic, or in the case of the genetic errors, all their lives. The discovery may help to explain a mystery surrounding the coronavirus: why it leaves some sufferers sick or dying in intensive care, while others remain barely affected or asymptomatic.

    These findings were described by one scientist as “astonishing”. Together, the two types of error account for about 15% of life-threatening Covid-19 cases, according to the immunologist Jean-Laurent Casanova of the Rockefeller University in New York City and the Necker Hospital for Sick Children in Paris, who co-directs the consortium.

    Casanova suspects human genetics will end up explaining the majority of such cases, however, because the consortium has only looked for mutations in 13 of the 300-odd type 1 interferon-related genes so far – already a huge undertaking.

    So can they fix that?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 33,140
    TOPPING said:

    DavidL said:

    TOPPING said:

    DavidL said:

    alex_ said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Telling students they can't go home for Christmas just seems too extreme. Maybe another solution can be found.

    Why is there such a widespread assumption that come Xmas (almost 3 months away) students will be seen as a high risk? It’s the next month that people should be worried about, no? Homesick people, dropouts, people wanting their washing done, people finding that the living conditions they are required to adhere to are too grim and realising they can effectively operate from home with all the online learning?

    In 3 months it could well have burned out among the student populations.
    I've been saying this repeatedly. Once again our policies, such as they are, are not addressing the current and obvious risk as per @dixiedean's post downthread. We are seeing very widespread outbreaks on the majority of University campuses now. Right now.
    David YAAL!

    Although they are adults surely there is something anti human rightsy about telling students they can't go home?
    What is a "YAAL"?

    I agree that it is completely unrealistic and unacceptable to stop students getting home. The question to be asked is whether their accommodation should have been opened in the first place.
    You Are A Lawyer!!

    :smile:
    Well that's very kind of you to say so. The Sheriff yesterday seemed slightly less confident on the point.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 29,076
    DavidL said:

    IanB2 said:

    A significant proportion of patients who develop life-threatening forms of Covid-19 have genetic or immunological defects that impair their ability to fight the virus, research has found.

    In papers published in the journal Science, the Covid Human Genetic Effort international consortium describes two glitches in severely ill Covid-19 patients that prevent them from making a frontline immune molecule called type 1 interferon.

    The patients would have carried these glitches for years before the pandemic, or in the case of the genetic errors, all their lives. The discovery may help to explain a mystery surrounding the coronavirus: why it leaves some sufferers sick or dying in intensive care, while others remain barely affected or asymptomatic.

    These findings were described by one scientist as “astonishing”. Together, the two types of error account for about 15% of life-threatening Covid-19 cases, according to the immunologist Jean-Laurent Casanova of the Rockefeller University in New York City and the Necker Hospital for Sick Children in Paris, who co-directs the consortium.

    Casanova suspects human genetics will end up explaining the majority of such cases, however, because the consortium has only looked for mutations in 13 of the 300-odd type 1 interferon-related genes so far – already a huge undertaking.

    So can they fix that?
    Apparently it looks possible:

    It should guide diagnosis and treatment, since patients arriving at hospital and testing positive for auto-antibodies could undergo plasma exchange to remove those antibodies from their blood – potentially keeping them out of intensive care. Since the auto-antibodies spare one particular form of interferon – the beta form – these patients might also benefit from the experimental treatment inhaled interferon beta.

    Magnús Gottfređsson, an infectious diseases doctor at the University of Iceland, said the findings should sound a note of caution to those conducting clinical trials of convalescent plasma because if the donated plasma contains auto-antibodies to interferon it could potentially do more harm than good
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 33,140
    Horrendous borrowing figures again (inevitably): https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54289160

    We are going to have to have an adult conversation about how long we can continue responding to Covid in the way that we are pretty soon. I was looking at the draft budget for our management company yesterday and thinking it was wildly optimistic (in fairness the figures were prepared before the second lockdown). The trade off between the economy and lives is going to have to change, it really is.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 18,846
    Nigelb said:

    Republican Senator Proposes Bill That Would Make It Illegal to Count Votes
    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/09/republican-senator-bill-illegal-mail-vote-count-deadline.html

    Not only would the bill prevent counting of postal votes arriving later, but also bans counting votes that arrive earlier.

    It is called the Help America Vote Act!

    (Surely it wouldn't pass the House of Representatives though?)
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 29,076
    Daily Mail BREAKING: Invasion of the long-legged lovers from your lawn: Homeowners are warned to brace for onslaught of more than 200 billion daddy long legs
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 18,846
    DavidL said:

    Horrendous borrowing figures again (inevitably): https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54289160

    We are going to have to have an adult conversation about how long we can continue responding to Covid in the way that we are pretty soon. I was looking at the draft budget for our management company yesterday and thinking it was wildly optimistic (in fairness the figures were prepared before the second lockdown). The trade off between the economy and lives is going to have to change, it really is.

    I was looking at the budget of one of our chronic disease programmes. Income for the first half of the Fin Year will be 15% of the previous year, and the costs, mostly staff, identical. The staff were mostly redeployed during the peak of the outbreak, and now socially distanced outpatients is grossly inhibiting productivity.

    The NHS financial position is bad, but looking to nosedive precipitously.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 36,727
    morning all,

    "some mischievous Conservatives have even taken to nicknaming the chief medical officer, Professor Chris Whitty, and the chief scientific adviser, Sir Patrick Vallance, "Witless and Unbalanced". "

    Telegraph.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 36,727
    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    Horrendous borrowing figures again (inevitably): https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54289160

    We are going to have to have an adult conversation about how long we can continue responding to Covid in the way that we are pretty soon. I was looking at the draft budget for our management company yesterday and thinking it was wildly optimistic (in fairness the figures were prepared before the second lockdown). The trade off between the economy and lives is going to have to change, it really is.

    I was looking at the budget of one of our chronic disease programmes. Income for the first half of the Fin Year will be 15% of the previous year, and the costs, mostly staff, identical. The staff were mostly redeployed during the peak of the outbreak, and now socially distanced outpatients is grossly inhibiting productivity.

    The NHS financial position is bad, but looking to nosedive precipitously.
    If the staff were redeployed presumably they don't still come out of your programme's budget?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 36,727
    Scott_xP said:
    Totally predictable.

    Weekend papers will no doubt be full of stories of house parties starting at 10:05pm and so on.

    As I posted the other day, the Dutch looked at early closing and decided it would make things worse.

  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 7,887

    Totally predictable.

    Tell Dom. You might get a job...
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 18,846

    Can we assume that every night club in the country is about to go bust?

    Not just nightclubs. Pretty much all the theatre and live music sector too. It is going to be a bleak place at the end of all this for a couple of years.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 17,396
    Scott_xP said:
    We were assured yesterday the London was completely dead by Dan Hodges
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 14,891
    edited September 25
    Scott_xP said:
    What I'm wondering is: Say Boris comes back with his great negotiating triumph that only cedes half of Kent to the EU etc etc, but parts of his party are unconvinced of the merits of this agreement and decide to vote against it in the hope of forcing no-deal.

    Does Labour help Boris out, knowing that the next Tory leader will try to blame the results on them and denounce them for selling out the country as part of a joint remainer-foreigner plot to take advantage of their ailing ex-PM? Or do they vote against and let it all burn?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 18,846

    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    Horrendous borrowing figures again (inevitably): https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54289160

    We are going to have to have an adult conversation about how long we can continue responding to Covid in the way that we are pretty soon. I was looking at the draft budget for our management company yesterday and thinking it was wildly optimistic (in fairness the figures were prepared before the second lockdown). The trade off between the economy and lives is going to have to change, it really is.

    I was looking at the budget of one of our chronic disease programmes. Income for the first half of the Fin Year will be 15% of the previous year, and the costs, mostly staff, identical. The staff were mostly redeployed during the peak of the outbreak, and now socially distanced outpatients is grossly inhibiting productivity.

    The NHS financial position is bad, but looking to nosedive precipitously.
    If the staff were redeployed presumably they don't still come out of your programme's budget?
    No, it is still our budget.

    Just like when the respiratory unit took over the breast cancer wards, they got paid for the admissions and the breast unit picks up the tab. That is how our internal market works.

    12 month waiting lists now routine in the surgical units too. The worst that I have known in my 30 years in the NHS.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 62,066

    Can we assume that every night club in the country is about to go bust?

    I said there needed to be a special class of bankruptcy for nightclubs ages back
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