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In The Big Chill two characters have this exchange:-

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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 84,159
    edited September 11
    E pluribus unum.
  • I wonder if Covid could scar many southern areas (so used to high employment in service sectors) in the way mass de-industrialation did in the North.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8722111/Quiet-streets-Gatwick-ghost-town.html

    The attraction of places like Crawley was not just jobs at the airport but really good links into London. If people don't need to commute in daily, why would you live there? Which then has a huge snowball effect on all the jobs that support the fact there is a large numbers of well paid commuters.
  • FPT: Tony Blair was the best PM of my life
  • FPT

    Tony Blair was the best PM of my life

    Was it the hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis that helped you reach that judgment?
  • England shitting the bed here.
  • FPT

    Tony Blair was the best PM of my life

    Was it the hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis that helped you reach that judgment?
    Except for Iraq, he changed the country for the better and undoubtedly in the UK a society existed until 2010.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 84,159
    edited September 11
  • England shitting the bed here.

    Don't forget the old adage, England bat deep....
  • NerysHughesNerysHughes Posts: 1,224
    Mask wearing Spain new cases today 12183. Non mask wearing Sweden new cases today 201. Who has the best policy ?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 21,355
    That rumour has been going around in broadcast circles for a while. The party people dope him up just before a debate so he doesn't completey tank. I heard it ages ago, not sure the veracity.
  • MaxPB said:

    That rumour has been going around in broadcast circles for a while. The party people dope him up just before a debate so he doesn't completey tank. I heard it ages ago, not sure the veracity.
    Can't Trump get hold of the same stuff?
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 3,309

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    This is the worst Government of my - albeit, short - lifetime

    I had you as older than 10.
    I'm obviously 12
    Brown's time was in my view the worst phase in recent years. I know nobody likes Blair, but he was a good PM.

    The 70s, Heath, Wilson, Callaghan were worse, by far, than anything recent.

    The coalition government with Cameron and Clegg was really good.

    May was good too - She will finish up rather unfairly and unluckily judged.

    Boris - few PMs have faced such a challenge. We'll see,
    David Cameron was the worst Prime Minister since Lord North.
    I have never really seen the case against Lord North made. He lasted 12 years ( a feeble metric but 1,000 times less feeble than the commonly spouted bollocks about how many GEs x won with what size swings, since it says something about how he did the job rather than how he got it), heroic victor of a Falklands crisis, but lost a war in the days when, comms being what they were, wars were won or lost by the generals and admirals, not the PMs.
  • The MP for Newcastle under Lyme being PB's own @Tissue_Price, of course.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 21,355

    MaxPB said:

    That rumour has been going around in broadcast circles for a while. The party people dope him up just before a debate so he doesn't completey tank. I heard it ages ago, not sure the veracity.
    Can't Trump get hold of the same stuff?
    Also part of the rumour tbf.
  • MaxPB said:

    One thing that has begun to bother me is the incessant negativity about the UK (and US) virus approach from the media and completely letting Spain and France off the hook. It's almost as if there's an agenda there.

    That's a fair point.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 47,981
    edited September 11
    MaxPB said:

    One thing that has begun to bother me is the incessant negativity about the UK (and US) virus approach from the media and completely letting Spain and France off the hook. It's almost as if there's an agenda there.

    Its weird how when we actually had a zero death day they were really quiet and they still stick with the flawed numbers for ages after it was clear there was an issue...Initially you could put it down to misunderstanding of the stats, but they have been told time and time again by academics they were incorrect.

    And that the number of tests we now do far exceed most countries.

    I reckon most people still think that we don't do many tests and that deaths are still really high. The fact 10x as many people die of flu at the moment is completely lost.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 6,340
    Great article Cyclefree. Thought provoking. Very deep and a bit depressing.
  • The worry is that we are just three or four weeks behind:


  • glwglw Posts: 6,585
    That's a tell. A lot of people have wondered about Trump using some stimulants, and here he is accusing others of the same thing.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 6,340
    MaxPB said:

    That rumour has been going around in broadcast circles for a while. The party people dope him up just before a debate so he doesn't completey tank. I heard it ages ago, not sure the veracity.
    It's complete rubbish. What do you mean - you're not sure of the veracity!!!!
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 2,779
    edited September 11

    The worry is that we are just three or four weeks behind:


    That is the first genuinely worrying graph I've seen since April. Let's hope the circumstances aren't the same here, as France and Britain do seem to have diverged substantially on this since the summer too.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 76,595
    The Tories promised last year to leave the EU, end EU sovereignty over UK law, end free movement, do our own trade deals and regain control over our fishing waters, if the EU do not agree a trade deal accepting that then the Tory manifesto also promised not to extend the implementation period beyond that.

  • I may have found a worse topping on pizza than pineapple.

    Sultanas!

    S-U-L-T-A-N-A-S.

    Fecking sultanas, the world has gone mad.
  • Excellent header @Cyclefree as usual
  • The worry is that we are just three or four weeks behind:


    I am afraid to say I think it's inevitable we end up there.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 47,981
    edited September 11

    I may have found a worse topping on pizza than pineapple.

    Sultanas!

    S-U-L-T-A-N-A-S.

    Fecking sultanas, the world has gone mad.

    Who the hell even thinks of that? Were they behind this Internal Market Bill?
  • @Cyclefree's header said it is hard to understand the strategy. I'm not sure there is one. I do not think Boris knows what is going on, and that is why he lurches from one position to the next and back again. He is not lying, simply overreacting to events that are outside his control.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 6,198

    FPT

    Tony Blair was the best PM of my life

    Was it the hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis that helped you reach that judgment?
    Except for Iraq, he changed the country for the better and undoubtedly in the UK a society existed until 2010.
    I rate Blair too, but your caveat is a bit like Ted Bundy was a great guy except for the serial killings.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 76,595

    Mask wearing Spain new cases today 12183. Non mask wearing Sweden new cases today 201. Who has the best policy ?

    Mask wearing South Korea new cases today 176
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 21,355
    edited September 11
    In per capita terms France is seeing almost double the number of new cases per day vs the US and with a much, much less rigorous testing regime with far fewer tests per day per capita. Where is the media outrage at Macron for fucking it up so badly, why wasn't the French government prepared for the second wave, what steps are they taking to get to 1m tests per day, what policies does France have wrt schools, universities and socialising? I know about ours, of course but I also know about most of the US just from reading our own media.

    There is a serious lack of scrutiny of left wing government responses to the virus, apparently cuddly lefties can't be bad at these things, only baby eating right wingers are evil and let everyone die of it.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 3,309

    I may have found a worse topping on pizza than pineapple.

    Sultanas!

    S-U-L-T-A-N-A-S.

    Fecking sultanas, the world has gone mad.

    Just think of it as Peshwari naan and eat it with curry. The problem with pizza is not the toppings, it's the pizza. Bread for people who find breadmaking too difficult.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 6,340
    glw said:

    That's a tell. A lot of people have wondered about Trump using some stimulants, and here he is accusing others of the same thing.
    I think you are right. Trump often does that. It's a real giveaway.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 84,159
    edited September 11

    I may have found a worse topping on pizza than pineapple.

    Sultanas!

    S-U-L-T-A-N-A-S.

    Fecking sultanas, the world has gone mad.

    Who the hell even thinks of that? Were they behind this Internal Market Bill?
    Pizza Express.

    I said they were shit for the bases being so thing they might as well as serve their toppings on air.

    But they also do a 'Veneziana' which contains

    'Pine kernels, red onion, capers, black olives, sultanas, mozzarella and tomato on a Romana base (pictured). Vegan option available'

    https://www.pizzaexpress.com/birmingham-bullring/restaurant-menu/restaurant-menu
  • I may have found a worse topping on pizza than pineapple.

    Sultanas!

    S-U-L-T-A-N-A-S.

    Fecking sultanas, the world has gone mad.

    Who the hell even thinks of that?
    Pizza Express.

    I said they were shit for the bases being so thing they might as well as serve their toppings on air.

    But they also do a 'Veneziana' which contains

    'Pine kernels, red onion, capers, black olives, sultanas, mozzarella and tomato on a Romana base (pictured). Vegan option available'

    https://www.pizzaexpress.com/birmingham-bullring/restaurant-menu/restaurant-menu
    No wonder they are going bust.
  • glwglw Posts: 6,585

    MaxPB said:

    One thing that has begun to bother me is the incessant negativity about the UK (and US) virus approach from the media and completely letting Spain and France off the hook. It's almost as if there's an agenda there.

    Its weird how when we actually had a zero death day they were really quiet and they still stick with the flawed numbers for ages after it was clear there was an issue...Initially you could put it down to misunderstanding of the stats, but they have been told time and time again by academics they were incorrect.

    And that the number of tests we now do far exceed everybody else.

    I reckon most people still think that we don't do many tests and that deaths are still really high. The fact 10x as many people die of flu at the moment is completely lost.
    We do way more tests than any comparable nation. So if we aren't doing enough here, then countries like Italy, Spain, and France must have truly dismal testing.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 61,389

    The MP for Newcastle under Lyme being PB's own @Tissue_Price, of course.

    I hope he got to enjoy Fabricant's rendition of 'Rule Brittania!' today.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 7,351
    Evening all :)

    Thank you for the thread, @Cyclefree and I hope all is well with you and yours.

    I don't think this has much to do with Brexit and the facade about parliamentary sovereignty is just that. To me, the proposals don't enhance the power of Parliament but the power of Ministers who are, in theory, accountable to Parliament but in a Commons with an 80-seat majority are only really accountable to the favour of the Prime Minister.

    This is typical Johnson behaviour - the centralisation of power within his own office or control. He did it in London when Mayor and those who complain about Sadiq Khan should remember he inherited a centralised power structure from Johnson.

    The relationship between Executive and Legislature and the checks and balances therein derive from the degree of accountability of Ministers to Parliament. The summoning of Ministers to answer questions and make statements and attend Select Committees is part of the oversight and scrutiny function of Parliament.

    If more power is devolved upward to Ministers, the control moves directly to the office who appoints and dismisses ministers, No.10. This Bill is about centralising more power in No.10 and the Cabinet office who will obviously tell Ministers what to do and when to do it.

    It has to be resisted not because of Brexit (part of the facade) but because it creates an over-powerful Executive and weakens the Legislature. I'd like to see Starmer commit to restoring Parliamentary sovereignty were he to become Prime Minister as part of a devolutionary agenda to re-invigorate democracy at all levels.
  • I may have found a worse topping on pizza than pineapple.

    Sultanas!

    S-U-L-T-A-N-A-S.

    Fecking sultanas, the world has gone mad.

    Ooh I want to try that. Thanks for the tip, please keep them coming.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 21,355
    glw said:

    MaxPB said:

    One thing that has begun to bother me is the incessant negativity about the UK (and US) virus approach from the media and completely letting Spain and France off the hook. It's almost as if there's an agenda there.

    Its weird how when we actually had a zero death day they were really quiet and they still stick with the flawed numbers for ages after it was clear there was an issue...Initially you could put it down to misunderstanding of the stats, but they have been told time and time again by academics they were incorrect.

    And that the number of tests we now do far exceed everybody else.

    I reckon most people still think that we don't do many tests and that deaths are still really high. The fact 10x as many people die of flu at the moment is completely lost.
    We do way more tests than any comparable nation. So if we aren't doing enough here, then countries like Italy, Spain, and France must have truly dismal testing.
    Italy does around 120k tests per day and they have capacity to double it overnight (though we said the same so who knows how realistic that is). Spain and France are doing nowhere near enough testing, their true infection rate is probably close to double.
  • I may have found a worse topping on pizza than pineapple.

    Sultanas!

    S-U-L-T-A-N-A-S.

    Fecking sultanas, the world has gone mad.

    Who the hell even thinks of that?
    Pizza Express.

    I said they were shit for the bases being so thing they might as well as serve their toppings on air.

    But they also do a 'Veneziana' which contains

    'Pine kernels, red onion, capers, black olives, sultanas, mozzarella and tomato on a Romana base (pictured). Vegan option available'

    https://www.pizzaexpress.com/birmingham-bullring/restaurant-menu/restaurant-menu
    No wonder they are going bust.
    Yup. They need to be closed down by the local food standards agency.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 61,389

    The worry is that we are just three or four weeks behind:


    I am afraid to say I think it's inevitable we end up there.
    Waiting for the lockdown sceptics here to once again move the goalposts.
  • IshmaelZ said:

    I may have found a worse topping on pizza than pineapple.

    Sultanas!

    S-U-L-T-A-N-A-S.

    Fecking sultanas, the world has gone mad.

    Just think of it as Peshwari naan and eat it with curry. The problem with pizza is not the toppings, it's the pizza. Bread for people who find breadmaking too difficult.
    That's not true of proper Naples or Rome pizzas. The ones which have a base like bad bread (i.e. any pizza in the US, and nearly all here) are not doing it right.
  • I may have found a worse topping on pizza than pineapple.

    Sultanas!

    S-U-L-T-A-N-A-S.

    Fecking sultanas, the world has gone mad.

    Who the hell even thinks of that?
    Pizza Express.

    I said they were shit for the bases being so thing they might as well as serve their toppings on air.

    But they also do a 'Veneziana' which contains

    'Pine kernels, red onion, capers, black olives, sultanas, mozzarella and tomato on a Romana base (pictured). Vegan option available'

    https://www.pizzaexpress.com/birmingham-bullring/restaurant-menu/restaurant-menu
    No wonder they are going bust.
    Yup. They need to be closed down by the local food standards agency.
    Next they will be doing the Chicago style deep dish "pie".
  • eekeek Posts: 9,240
    edited September 11
    FPT

    This is easily, by a country mile, the worst government since WWII. No question about it. Other governments have been poor because they've made mistakes or been a bit rubbish. This one is unique in being intentionally a disaster.

    This Government is not intentionally a disaster - for it to be intentional the Government would need levels of planning and skill that this Boris and Co just doesn't have.

    We are once again in a story that could never be fiction as all sense of plausibility would have been lost chapters ago and the book thrown in the bin.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 8,022
    MaxPB said:

    In per capita terms France is seeing almost double the number of new cases per day vs the US and with a much, much less rigorous testing regime with far fewer tests per day per capita. Where is the media outrage at Macron for fucking it up so badly, why wasn't the French government prepared for the second wave, what steps are they taking to get to 1m tests per day, what policies does France have wrt schools, universities and socialising? I know about ours, of course but I also know about most of the US just from reading our own media.

    There is a serious lack of scrutiny of left wing government responses to the virus, apparently cuddly lefties can't be bad at these things, only baby eating right wingers are evil and let everyone die of it.

    In what way is Macron "left wing"?
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 2,779
    edited September 11
    Barnesian said:

    Great article Cyclefree. Thought provoking. Very deep and a bit depressing.

    Yes. The capacity of the partisan mind to rationalise away almost any inconsistency is virtually limitless - in fact, it's unfortunately a kind of daily requirement of most of our existences, in multiple spheres.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 40,725
    edited September 11

    I may have found a worse topping on pizza than pineapple.

    Sultanas!

    S-U-L-T-A-N-A-S.

    Fecking sultanas, the world has gone mad.

    Who the hell even thinks of that? Were they behind this Internal Market Bill?
    Pizza Express.

    I said they were shit for the bases being so thing they might as well as serve their toppings on air.

    But they also do a 'Veneziana' which contains

    'Pine kernels, red onion, capers, black olives, sultanas, mozzarella and tomato on a Romana base (pictured). Vegan option available'

    https://www.pizzaexpress.com/birmingham-bullring/restaurant-menu/restaurant-menu
    That sounds nice. If I was making it at home I'd probably add some Stilton to go with that.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 6,340

    @Cyclefree's header said it is hard to understand the strategy. I'm not sure there is one. I do not think Boris knows what is going on, and that is why he lurches from one position to the next and back again. He is not lying, simply overreacting to events that are outside his control.

    The key is how his MPs react to it.

    To quote Cyclefree "In the end, fewer people than we would like to think have the moral courage to stand up for what they say they believe in.That is why group loyalty tends to win out over individual courage and action. .. It’s why the unscrupulous can get away with outrageous behaviour for longer than they should. It’s why so many people like to quote Burke: “For evil to triumph, all it takes is for good men to do nothing.” But few like to put that into practice."

    How many honourable Tory MPs are there?
  • I can't see how England get to 300 from here.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 48,523
    Thanks, @Cyclefree!
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 673

    I may have found a worse topping on pizza than pineapple.

    Sultanas!

    S-U-L-T-A-N-A-S.

    Fecking sultanas, the world has gone mad.

    Who the hell even thinks of that? Were they behind this Internal Market Bill?
    Pizza Express.

    I said they were shit for the bases being so thing they might as well as serve their toppings on air.

    But they also do a 'Veneziana' which contains

    'Pine kernels, red onion, capers, black olives, sultanas, mozzarella and tomato on a Romana base (pictured). Vegan option available'

    https://www.pizzaexpress.com/birmingham-bullring/restaurant-menu/restaurant-menu
    I think you protest too much. I bet you have a stack of them
    In a secret cupboard along with your Trump 2020 stickers
  • isamisam Posts: 33,470
    MaxPB said:

    In per capita terms France is seeing almost double the number of new cases per day vs the US and with a much, much less rigorous testing regime with far fewer tests per day per capita. Where is the media outrage at Macron for fucking it up so badly, why wasn't the French government prepared for the second wave, what steps are they taking to get to 1m tests per day, what policies does France have wrt schools, universities and socialising? I know about ours, of course but I also know about most of the US just from reading our own media.

    There is a serious lack of scrutiny of left wing government responses to the virus, apparently cuddly lefties can't be bad at these things, only baby eating right wingers are evil and let everyone die of it.

    "Where is the media outrage at Macron for fucking it up so badly, why wasn't the French government prepared for the second wave, what steps are they taking to get to 1m tests per day, what policies does France have wrt schools, universities and socialising? "

    In the French media? We only get to see the bits on here where a left wing foreign paper is slagging off our Govt (its usually prefaced with "This is what the whole of France/Germany/Italy think of us", when its the equivalent of The Guardian criticising a Right Winger)
  • Australia taken the Joe Root masterclass on reviews.
  • NerysHughesNerysHughes Posts: 1,224
    HYUFD said:

    Mask wearing Spain new cases today 12183. Non mask wearing Sweden new cases today 201. Who has the best policy ?

    Mask wearing South Korea new cases today 176
    How is that relevant, I am talking about Europe. Has anyone else noticed that when Governments extend forced mask wearing within 2 weeks their cases double. As an example look at France. Governments will require 2 masks to be worn soon. They are like a compulsive gambler following the martingale system. As a gambler runs out of money they will soon run out of areas where masks have to be worn as if they continue with these mad mask wearing policies cases will continue to rise. It will be masks in bed soon!
  • MaxPB said:

    In per capita terms France is seeing almost double the number of new cases per day vs the US and with a much, much less rigorous testing regime with far fewer tests per day per capita. Where is the media outrage at Macron for fucking it up so badly, why wasn't the French government prepared for the second wave, what steps are they taking to get to 1m tests per day, what policies does France have wrt schools, universities and socialising? I know about ours, of course but I also know about most of the US just from reading our own media.

    There is a serious lack of scrutiny of left wing government responses to the virus, apparently cuddly lefties can't be bad at these things, only baby eating right wingers are evil and let everyone die of it.

    First, Macron is right wing, not left, and second any media outrage in the French media will be in French so does not get covered over here. The reason we have so much American news is that American news channels broadcast it in English.
  • I've seen reports the EU are threatening now to block food exports by not listing us as a safe country to export to them.

    If they do we should repeal the Withdrawal Agreement completely and stop all money payments to them from that. The billions we agreed to pay were to be paid out over years weren't they?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 34,048

    I may have found a worse topping on pizza than pineapple.

    Sultanas!

    S-U-L-T-A-N-A-S.

    Fecking sultanas, the world has gone mad.

    Who the hell even thinks of that?
    Pizza Express.

    I said they were shit for the bases being so thing they might as well as serve their toppings on air.

    But they also do a 'Veneziana' which contains

    'Pine kernels, red onion, capers, black olives, sultanas, mozzarella and tomato on a Romana base (pictured). Vegan option available'

    https://www.pizzaexpress.com/birmingham-bullring/restaurant-menu/restaurant-menu
    It's very nice. No comparison with pineapple on pizza.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 1,282

    MaxPB said:

    In per capita terms France is seeing almost double the number of new cases per day vs the US and with a much, much less rigorous testing regime with far fewer tests per day per capita. Where is the media outrage at Macron for fucking it up so badly, why wasn't the French government prepared for the second wave, what steps are they taking to get to 1m tests per day, what policies does France have wrt schools, universities and socialising? I know about ours, of course but I also know about most of the US just from reading our own media.

    There is a serious lack of scrutiny of left wing government responses to the virus, apparently cuddly lefties can't be bad at these things, only baby eating right wingers are evil and let everyone die of it.

    Weirdly the same lack of outrage of Macron buddying up to Trump even more than Boris, rolling out the biggest of big red carpets....When he does it, it is all about international diplomacy, when Boris does it, it is because he loves everything about the Donald.
    There is just zero coverage of French politics compared to US politics full stop.

    People here know about also rans (barely-rans more like) in the contest to become the opposition party presidential candidate for an election months away, but who is the current French prime minister?
  • MaxPB said:

    In per capita terms France is seeing almost double the number of new cases per day vs the US and with a much, much less rigorous testing regime with far fewer tests per day per capita. Where is the media outrage at Macron for fucking it up so badly, why wasn't the French government prepared for the second wave, what steps are they taking to get to 1m tests per day, what policies does France have wrt schools, universities and socialising? I know about ours, of course but I also know about most of the US just from reading our own media.

    There is a serious lack of scrutiny of left wing government responses to the virus, apparently cuddly lefties can't be bad at these things, only baby eating right wingers are evil and let everyone die of it.

    First, Macron is right wing, not left, and second any media outrage in the French media will be in French so does not get covered over here. The reason we have so much American news is that American news channels broadcast it in English.
    Macron who was in the Socialist party is right wing?

    Yeah pull the other one.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 7,351
    As for today's American election, thin gruel after the midweek feast. Rasmussen puts Trump up 48-46 in North Carolina. It's a 1000 Likely voter sample and I note the East Carolina University poll at the end of last month which had Trump up 49-47 had a 1101 LV sample whereas other polls showing Biden in front have much smaller samples.

    To be fair, with a 3% Margin of Error it's a dead heat so all to play for.

    A state not likely to be a dead heat is Indiana which since 1960 has only voted Democrat in 1964 and 2008. The latest poll has Trump ahead 53-39 which is very similar to the April poll and compares with a 19 point Trump lead last time. A smaller swing to Biden than in some Republican strongholds but I'm sure Indiana is so far down the Democrat target list it is subterranean.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 6,817

    HYUFD said:

    Mask wearing Spain new cases today 12183. Non mask wearing Sweden new cases today 201. Who has the best policy ?

    Mask wearing South Korea new cases today 176
    How is that relevant, I am talking about Europe. Has anyone else noticed that when Governments extend forced mask wearing within 2 weeks their cases double. As an example look at France. Governments will require 2 masks to be worn soon. They are like a compulsive gambler following the martingale system. As a gambler runs out of money they will soon run out of areas where masks have to be worn as if they continue with these mad mask wearing policies cases will continue to rise. It will be masks in bed soon!
    Give up stop posting nightly crap
  • I've seen reports the EU are threatening now to block food exports by not listing us as a safe country to export to them.

    If they do we should repeal the Withdrawal Agreement completely and stop all money payments to them from that. The billions we agreed to pay were to be paid out over years weren't they?

    See my explanations to @HYUFD on the previous thread. They are not threatening anything, they are explaining the obvious.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 31,428
    THe only group currently more useless, craven, incompetent and confused than the cabinet are England’s batsmen.

    Discuss.
  • TresTres Posts: 162
    Sir Bob O'Neill?
  • isamisam Posts: 33,470
    Sweden is now off the Quarantine list... but will they accept people from a country with such a crazy Covid policy?
  • I may have found a worse topping on pizza than pineapple.

    Sultanas!

    S-U-L-T-A-N-A-S.

    Fecking sultanas, the world has gone mad.

    Who the hell even thinks of that?
    Pizza Express.

    I said they were shit for the bases being so thing they might as well as serve their toppings on air.

    But they also do a 'Veneziana' which contains

    'Pine kernels, red onion, capers, black olives, sultanas, mozzarella and tomato on a Romana base (pictured). Vegan option available'

    https://www.pizzaexpress.com/birmingham-bullring/restaurant-menu/restaurant-menu
    It's very nice. No comparison with pineapple on pizza.
    Oh William, I used to respect you so much....
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 31,428

    I may have found a worse topping on pizza than pineapple.

    Sultanas!

    S-U-L-T-A-N-A-S.

    Fecking sultanas, the world has gone mad.

    No boss, you misheard. I did not say I had a grape idea.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 61,389
    Interesting header, I expect the MP for Newxastle Under Lyme's priority is pleasing Cummings rather than Cyclefree though.
  • ydoethur said:

    THe only group currently more useless, craven, incompetent and confused than the cabinet are England’s batsmen.

    Discuss.

    Throughout the summer England have continually tested the "down to the last possible" partnership to dig them out of trouble.
  • I can't see how England get to 300 from here.

    They'd have to get a 6 from a No Ball in the 50th over to get to 300 surely?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 31,428

    I can't see how England get to 300 from here.

    They'd have to get a 6 from a No Ball in the 50th over to get to 300 surely?
    More like 60 no balls in the fifty overs.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 32,678

    HYUFD said:

    Mask wearing Spain new cases today 12183. Non mask wearing Sweden new cases today 201. Who has the best policy ?

    Mask wearing South Korea new cases today 176
    How is that relevant, I am talking about Europe. Has anyone else noticed that when Governments extend forced mask wearing within 2 weeks their cases double. As an example look at France. Governments will require 2 masks to be worn soon. They are like a compulsive gambler following the martingale system. As a gambler runs out of money they will soon run out of areas where masks have to be worn as if they continue with these mad mask wearing policies cases will continue to rise. It will be masks in bed soon!
    Is it because the DNA of South Koreans and Japanese is different to Europeans?
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 6,817
    Barnesian said:

    @Cyclefree's header said it is hard to understand the strategy. I'm not sure there is one. I do not think Boris knows what is going on, and that is why he lurches from one position to the next and back again. He is not lying, simply overreacting to events that are outside his control.

    The key is how his MPs react to it.

    To quote Cyclefree "In the end, fewer people than we would like to think have the moral courage to stand up for what they say they believe in.That is why group loyalty tends to win out over individual courage and action. .. It’s why the unscrupulous can get away with outrageous behaviour for longer than they should. It’s why so many people like to quote Burke: “For evil to triumph, all it takes is for good men to do nothing.” But few like to put that into practice."

    How many honourable Tory MPs are there?
    They threw the honorable ones out.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 16,372

    IshmaelZ said:

    I may have found a worse topping on pizza than pineapple.

    Sultanas!

    S-U-L-T-A-N-A-S.

    Fecking sultanas, the world has gone mad.

    Just think of it as Peshwari naan and eat it with curry. The problem with pizza is not the toppings, it's the pizza. Bread for people who find breadmaking too difficult.
    That's not true of proper Naples or Rome pizzas. The ones which have a base like bad bread (i.e. any pizza in the US, and nearly all here) are not doing it right.
    The best pizza I have ever eaten was Keste in New York. Owned by a immigrant from Naples with the pizza oven shipped over.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 28,094

    I may have found a worse topping on pizza than pineapple.

    Sultanas!

    S-U-L-T-A-N-A-S.

    Fecking sultanas, the world has gone mad.

    Who the hell even thinks of that? Were they behind this Internal Market Bill?
    Pizza Express.

    I said they were shit for the bases being so thing they might as well as serve their toppings on air.

    But they also do a 'Veneziana' which contains

    'Pine kernels, red onion, capers, black olives, sultanas, mozzarella and tomato on a Romana base (pictured). Vegan option available'

    https://www.pizzaexpress.com/birmingham-bullring/restaurant-menu/restaurant-menu
    That sounds nice. If I was making it at home I'd probably add some Stilton to go with that.
    Yes, I haven’t been to PE for a while but Veneziana used to be one of my favourites. They used to donate 10p to some Venice charity for each one.

    Anyhow the way things are going we won’t be able to source exotic ingredients like pineapple or sultanas in 2021. It’ll be apples and pears.
  • Today in sovereignty and taking back control, the UK Prime Minister has run away from questions posed by, er, Tory MPs.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 61,389
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 21,355
    kamski said:

    MaxPB said:

    In per capita terms France is seeing almost double the number of new cases per day vs the US and with a much, much less rigorous testing regime with far fewer tests per day per capita. Where is the media outrage at Macron for fucking it up so badly, why wasn't the French government prepared for the second wave, what steps are they taking to get to 1m tests per day, what policies does France have wrt schools, universities and socialising? I know about ours, of course but I also know about most of the US just from reading our own media.

    There is a serious lack of scrutiny of left wing government responses to the virus, apparently cuddly lefties can't be bad at these things, only baby eating right wingers are evil and let everyone die of it.

    Weirdly the same lack of outrage of Macron buddying up to Trump even more than Boris, rolling out the biggest of big red carpets....When he does it, it is all about international diplomacy, when Boris does it, it is because he loves everything about the Donald.
    There is just zero coverage of French politics compared to US politics full stop.

    People here know about also rans (barely-rans more like) in the contest to become the opposition party presidential candidate for an election months away, but who is the current French prime minister?
    No one cares who the French PM is, it's like asking who the senate leader is in the US. Everyone knows Macron and the excuses that the British media don't have any French speakers is laughable. The fact of the matter is that the media outrage will never exist for virtuous nations, it will only be for evil ones like the UK (and US) despite France and Macron having as crap a time of it as the UK and Boris.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 31,428

    Today in sovereignty and taking back control, the UK Prime Minister has run away from questions posed by, er, Tory MPs.

    I suppose the advantage of Zoom and social distancing is he no longer has to hide in a fridge.
  • MaxPB said:

    In per capita terms France is seeing almost double the number of new cases per day vs the US and with a much, much less rigorous testing regime with far fewer tests per day per capita. Where is the media outrage at Macron for fucking it up so badly, why wasn't the French government prepared for the second wave, what steps are they taking to get to 1m tests per day, what policies does France have wrt schools, universities and socialising? I know about ours, of course but I also know about most of the US just from reading our own media.

    There is a serious lack of scrutiny of left wing government responses to the virus, apparently cuddly lefties can't be bad at these things, only baby eating right wingers are evil and let everyone die of it.

    First, Macron is right wing, not left, and second any media outrage in the French media will be in French so does not get covered over here. The reason we have so much American news is that American news channels broadcast it in English.
    Macron who was in the Socialist party is right wing?

    Yeah pull the other one.
    Yes. The Macron who set up his own party, and declared himself a centrist, is governing from the right.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 21,355
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mask wearing Spain new cases today 12183. Non mask wearing Sweden new cases today 201. Who has the best policy ?

    Mask wearing South Korea new cases today 176
    How is that relevant, I am talking about Europe. Has anyone else noticed that when Governments extend forced mask wearing within 2 weeks their cases double. As an example look at France. Governments will require 2 masks to be worn soon. They are like a compulsive gambler following the martingale system. As a gambler runs out of money they will soon run out of areas where masks have to be worn as if they continue with these mad mask wearing policies cases will continue to rise. It will be masks in bed soon!
    Is it because the DNA of South Koreans and Japanese is different to Europeans?
    That might be a factor tbf, the studies haven't been done on susceptibility. Though I'm not saying it is, just that we don't know until someone actually does the research.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 7,351

    Macron who was in the Socialist party is right wing?

    Yeah pull the other one.

    The last polling for the 2022 Presidential election I saw had Macron on 28% leading Le Pen on 25% with Baroin and Melanchon on 12-13%.

    It'll need something remarkable to change this - presumably Macron will run again and if/when it comes to a run off with Marine Le Pen, he will win comfortably.The French centre-right didn't do badly in the recent local elections (nor did the Greens oddly enough) but are making no impression in the Presidential contest.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 8,022
    MaxPB said:

    kamski said:

    MaxPB said:

    In per capita terms France is seeing almost double the number of new cases per day vs the US and with a much, much less rigorous testing regime with far fewer tests per day per capita. Where is the media outrage at Macron for fucking it up so badly, why wasn't the French government prepared for the second wave, what steps are they taking to get to 1m tests per day, what policies does France have wrt schools, universities and socialising? I know about ours, of course but I also know about most of the US just from reading our own media.

    There is a serious lack of scrutiny of left wing government responses to the virus, apparently cuddly lefties can't be bad at these things, only baby eating right wingers are evil and let everyone die of it.

    Weirdly the same lack of outrage of Macron buddying up to Trump even more than Boris, rolling out the biggest of big red carpets....When he does it, it is all about international diplomacy, when Boris does it, it is because he loves everything about the Donald.
    There is just zero coverage of French politics compared to US politics full stop.

    People here know about also rans (barely-rans more like) in the contest to become the opposition party presidential candidate for an election months away, but who is the current French prime minister?
    No one cares who the French PM is, it's like asking who the senate leader is in the US. Everyone knows Macron and the excuses that the British media don't have any French speakers is laughable. The fact of the matter is that the media outrage will never exist for virtuous nations, it will only be for evil ones like the UK (and US) despite France and Macron having as crap a time of it as the UK and Boris.
    So you're outraged that the UK media is more outraged about the pandemic in the UK than in France?
    I'm bloody furious we don't get 25 minutes a day on Ecuador.
  • MaxPB said:

    kamski said:

    MaxPB said:

    In per capita terms France is seeing almost double the number of new cases per day vs the US and with a much, much less rigorous testing regime with far fewer tests per day per capita. Where is the media outrage at Macron for fucking it up so badly, why wasn't the French government prepared for the second wave, what steps are they taking to get to 1m tests per day, what policies does France have wrt schools, universities and socialising? I know about ours, of course but I also know about most of the US just from reading our own media.

    There is a serious lack of scrutiny of left wing government responses to the virus, apparently cuddly lefties can't be bad at these things, only baby eating right wingers are evil and let everyone die of it.

    Weirdly the same lack of outrage of Macron buddying up to Trump even more than Boris, rolling out the biggest of big red carpets....When he does it, it is all about international diplomacy, when Boris does it, it is because he loves everything about the Donald.
    There is just zero coverage of French politics compared to US politics full stop.

    People here know about also rans (barely-rans more like) in the contest to become the opposition party presidential candidate for an election months away, but who is the current French prime minister?
    No one cares who the French PM is, it's like asking who the senate leader is in the US. Everyone knows Macron and the excuses that the British media don't have any French speakers is laughable. The fact of the matter is that the media outrage will never exist for virtuous nations, it will only be for evil ones like the UK (and US) despite France and Macron having as crap a time of it as the UK and Boris.
    The French are shit, we all know that, it is like saying water is wet.

    I suppose not everyone is as much of a Francophile as I am.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 21,355
    HYUFD said:
    That's YouGov spin, it could easily be put as 62% of Britons agree that Furlough must end for majority of businesses.
  • Jonny Bairstow is currently 32* off 70 balls.

    Three of his ODI hundreds have come up off fewer deliveries.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 61,389
    I'm trying and failing to work out how this line of attack from Trump could conceivably be a good idea

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 31,428
    England have as much chance of winning this as a journalist has of getting honesty from Cummings.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 6,817
    IanB2 said:

    I may have found a worse topping on pizza than pineapple.

    Sultanas!

    S-U-L-T-A-N-A-S.

    Fecking sultanas, the world has gone mad.

    Who the hell even thinks of that? Were they behind this Internal Market Bill?
    Pizza Express.

    I said they were shit for the bases being so thing they might as well as serve their toppings on air.

    But they also do a 'Veneziana' which contains

    'Pine kernels, red onion, capers, black olives, sultanas, mozzarella and tomato on a Romana base (pictured). Vegan option available'

    https://www.pizzaexpress.com/birmingham-bullring/restaurant-menu/restaurant-menu
    That sounds nice. If I was making it at home I'd probably add some Stilton to go with that.
    Yes, I haven’t been to PE for a while but Veneziana used to be one of my favourites. They used to donate 10p to some Venice charity for each one.

    Anyhow the way things are going we won’t be able to source exotic ingredients like pineapple or sultanas in 2021. It’ll be apples and pears.
    Pizza stairs?
  • Alistair said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    I may have found a worse topping on pizza than pineapple.

    Sultanas!

    S-U-L-T-A-N-A-S.

    Fecking sultanas, the world has gone mad.

    Just think of it as Peshwari naan and eat it with curry. The problem with pizza is not the toppings, it's the pizza. Bread for people who find breadmaking too difficult.
    That's not true of proper Naples or Rome pizzas. The ones which have a base like bad bread (i.e. any pizza in the US, and nearly all here) are not doing it right.
    The best pizza I have ever eaten was Keste in New York. Owned by a immigrant from Naples with the pizza oven shipped over.
    I can well believe that.
  • eekeek Posts: 9,240

    I've seen reports the EU are threatening now to block food exports by not listing us as a safe country to export to them.

    If they do we should repeal the Withdrawal Agreement completely and stop all money payments to them from that. The billions we agreed to pay were to be paid out over years weren't they?

    Could you provide links to go with your comments - it's incredibly hard to work out what is fact and what is fantasy at the moment...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 31,428
    Pulpstar said:

    I'm trying and failing to work out how this line of attack from Trump could conceivably be a good idea

    I can see how trying to work that out would be confusing.

    Perhaps we should just assume he’s a fuckwit with a mental illness, and leave it at that?
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