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    On topic, this government likes good headlines, so I'd expect a mahoosive u-turn, the only question is when.

    How long does a opinion poll/focus group take to report back?
    Depends on the sample size/the number of questions asked/mode of polling.

    But you can get a decent sized poll done in a day and a bit, and a focus group in a similar time frame, the hard work is writing up the respondents views.
    Presumably, that's how long it will take, +5 minutes for the memo to be written telling Gav what to do.
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    Charles said:

    From the article...

    The truth was far more mundane. A few protesters among the many thousands appear to have burned a single Bible — and possibly a second — for kindling to start a bigger fire. None of the other protesters seemed to notice or care.

    So conservatives criticised protestors for burning the Bible because... drum roll... they burned a Bible.

    But it's a "Russian Hit!!!!!!" because, presumably, this is seen as a way of drawing the sting from a legitimate criticism.

    And vice versa. You are in danger of denying it is Russian trolling because a bible was burned. It is amplification that is a favoured technique of the Russians.
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,801
    kinabalu said:

    malcolmg said:

    Carnyx said:

    The Scot Greens caved! Who saw that coming?

    https://twitter.com/alexmassie/status/1293223482273259529?s=20

    Massie is finding it unreasonable that a party focussed heavily on the student demographic should focus also on its concerns. Rather odd of him.

    The SNP administration is a minority one, pace those PBers who go berserk about alleged one-party states. So of course the Greens claim the credit. It's not as if the SCUP MSPs would vote to help the SNP at all, still less the SLAB ones (on the Bain Principle), and I'm not sure what the LDs think except SNP bad.
    Massie is a unionist lickspittle, he could not be objective if it hit him on the face. Everything SNP or independence is bad to him, the fanny likes cricket, what can I say.
    Is it possible, would you say, to support Scottish independence AND like cricket?

    I have not in practice come across this particular combination but my circle is not wide these days.
    Perfectly possible. An elderly local and keen cricketer voted for indy.

    I have a feeling that I read somewhere that Scotland had more cricket players than England pro rata but find that difficult to believe even so ...

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/record-breaking-scotland-beat-england-at-cricket-t02m7q5cg

    There are some very beautiful pitches in Scotland - for instance that at Castle Leod in Strathpeffer.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,101
    edited August 2020

    http://www.electionpolling.co.uk/battleground/targets/liberal-democrat

    Some very tight seats here, not a lot of work for the Lib Dems to triple their seat count

    To triple their seats the LibDems would have to hold all they currently have and gain the likes of Harrogate and Wells which have near 10k majorities.

    And given the reliance on personal votes the likes of Dunbartonshire E, Carshalton, St Ives and Eastbourne might be rather harder to win next time than they were in 2019.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,130

    Yeah, we just seem to be reasonably immune from a need to vote for parties that espouse ant-immigrant & anti-refugee rhetoric, eg UKIP, TBP and the Tory party. Still, let's see if the linesman can build up some momentum with the gypsy traveller schtick.
    Absolutely! No "othering" in Scottish politics! No "blaming another country" for Scotland's failings. You must be so proud!

    Aye, the 'UKIP, Farage and Brexit were vastly important elements in the nation's history' merchants always seem to fall silent when they're reminded that Scotland didn't vote for any of them. I am quite proud of that as it happens.
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    Carnyx said:

    kinabalu said:

    malcolmg said:

    Carnyx said:

    The Scot Greens caved! Who saw that coming?

    https://twitter.com/alexmassie/status/1293223482273259529?s=20

    Massie is finding it unreasonable that a party focussed heavily on the student demographic should focus also on its concerns. Rather odd of him.

    The SNP administration is a minority one, pace those PBers who go berserk about alleged one-party states. So of course the Greens claim the credit. It's not as if the SCUP MSPs would vote to help the SNP at all, still less the SLAB ones (on the Bain Principle), and I'm not sure what the LDs think except SNP bad.
    Massie is a unionist lickspittle, he could not be objective if it hit him on the face. Everything SNP or independence is bad to him, the fanny likes cricket, what can I say.
    Is it possible, would you say, to support Scottish independence AND like cricket?

    I have not in practice come across this particular combination but my circle is not wide these days.
    Perfectly possible. An elderly local and keen cricketer voted for indy.

    I have a feeling that I read somewhere that Scotland had more cricket players than England pro rata but find that difficult to believe even so ...

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/record-breaking-scotland-beat-england-at-cricket-t02m7q5cg

    There are some very beautiful pitches in Scotland - for instance that at Castle Leod in Strathpeffer.
    A close family friend works for Cricket Scotland in their participation team, said something similar.

    Has seen a growth due to indoor cricket being viable.
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    To gain 14 seats, the Lib Dems need a swing of 4.63%. The highest majority to overturn is 3953 in Cities of London and Westminster. I can't see these seats swinging back to the Tories.

    12 of those belong to the Tories.

    So this would reduce the Tory seat count to 353.

    I reckon 305 seats would mean the Tories were out of office, so 48 seats for Labour to take. Swing required: 4.3%, highest majority 4147.

    This would leave, Labour with 250, the Lib Dems with 23, SNP with somewhere around 50.

    Add in the SDLP and the Greens, you've got a very slim "technical" majority.

    I mention this because Keir seems to be following this same approach with his seat visits. I wonder if cooperation with the Lib Dems has already begun.

    Lots of work to do.
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    stodgestodge Posts: 12,864

    http://www.electionpolling.co.uk/battleground/targets/liberal-democrat

    Some very tight seats here, not a lot of work for the Lib Dems to triple their seat count

    To triple their seats the LibDems would have to hold all they currently have and gain the likes of Harrogate and Wells which have near 10k majorities.

    And given the reliance on personal votes the likes of Dunbartonshire E, Carshalton, St Ives and Eastbourne might be rather harder to win next time than they were in 2019.
    So much will depend on how the Conservatives are polling. It's been a long time since the Conservatives went into an election polling poorly - 2005 in my view.

    There's no "law" saying the Conservatives will always do well and if they are less than popular next time will all their former votes go Labour or will some go LD?
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    stodge said:

    http://www.electionpolling.co.uk/battleground/targets/liberal-democrat

    Some very tight seats here, not a lot of work for the Lib Dems to triple their seat count

    To triple their seats the LibDems would have to hold all they currently have and gain the likes of Harrogate and Wells which have near 10k majorities.

    And given the reliance on personal votes the likes of Dunbartonshire E, Carshalton, St Ives and Eastbourne might be rather harder to win next time than they were in 2019.
    So much will depend on how the Conservatives are polling. It's been a long time since the Conservatives went into an election polling poorly - 2005 in my view.

    There's no "law" saying the Conservatives will always do well and if they are less than popular next time will all their former votes go Labour or will some go LD?
    The Tory voteshare keeps going up in every election, we need to watch this carefully.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,631
    RobD said:

    Nigelb said:
    I suspect it'll be all the rage for the next decade or so. Fifty years later? Forgotten about.
    In another decade’s time, medical science will have developed sufficiently for that not to matter.
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    contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818

    Yeah, we just seem to be reasonably immune from a need to vote for parties that espouse ant-immigrant & anti-refugee rhetoric, eg UKIP, TBP and the Tory party. Still, let's see if the linesman can build up some momentum with the gypsy traveller schtick.
    Absolutely! No "othering" in Scottish politics! No "blaming another country" for Scotland's failings. You must be so proud!

    No 'othering' after Yousef's law BY law....! - or prison!

    Still, you get to keep your hands. For now.
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    contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818

    Yeah, we just seem to be reasonably immune from a need to vote for parties that espouse ant-immigrant & anti-refugee rhetoric, eg UKIP, TBP and the Tory party. Still, let's see if the linesman can build up some momentum with the gypsy traveller schtick.
    Absolutely! No "othering" in Scottish politics! No "blaming another country" for Scotland's failings. You must be so proud!

    No 'othering' after Yousaf's law BY law....! - or prison!

    Still, you get to keep your hands. For now.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,130
    sarissa said:

    Siri, please show me cultural insecurity in the form of architecture.

    https://twitter.com/jack_capener/status/1293225664804466692?s=20

    That street was a favourite graffiti location when it was being built....
    All pro UK, down with Nippy stuff I'll bet..
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,801

    Carnyx said:

    kinabalu said:

    malcolmg said:

    Carnyx said:

    The Scot Greens caved! Who saw that coming?

    https://twitter.com/alexmassie/status/1293223482273259529?s=20

    Massie is finding it unreasonable that a party focussed heavily on the student demographic should focus also on its concerns. Rather odd of him.

    The SNP administration is a minority one, pace those PBers who go berserk about alleged one-party states. So of course the Greens claim the credit. It's not as if the SCUP MSPs would vote to help the SNP at all, still less the SLAB ones (on the Bain Principle), and I'm not sure what the LDs think except SNP bad.
    Massie is a unionist lickspittle, he could not be objective if it hit him on the face. Everything SNP or independence is bad to him, the fanny likes cricket, what can I say.
    Is it possible, would you say, to support Scottish independence AND like cricket?

    I have not in practice come across this particular combination but my circle is not wide these days.
    Perfectly possible. An elderly local and keen cricketer voted for indy.

    I have a feeling that I read somewhere that Scotland had more cricket players than England pro rata but find that difficult to believe even so ...

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/record-breaking-scotland-beat-england-at-cricket-t02m7q5cg

    There are some very beautiful pitches in Scotland - for instance that at Castle Leod in Strathpeffer.
    A close family friend works for Cricket Scotland in their participation team, said something similar.

    Has seen a growth due to indoor cricket being viable.
    This reminds me that I was just thinking on my morning walks how the grass is so very green in Scotland these days. Is that also part of it? We're always hearing about drought in England.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,130

    Yeah, we just seem to be reasonably immune from a need to vote for parties that espouse ant-immigrant & anti-refugee rhetoric, eg UKIP, TBP and the Tory party. Still, let's see if the linesman can build up some momentum with the gypsy traveller schtick.
    Absolutely! No "othering" in Scottish politics! No "blaming another country" for Scotland's failings. You must be so proud!

    No 'othering' after Yousef's law BY law....! - or prison!

    Still, you get to keep your hands. For now.
    Ah, I see the Muslim thing is one of your many triggers.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,631
    Interesting....

    Is Lindsey Graham Actually in Trouble in South Carolina?
    https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/08/11/jaime-harrison-lindsey-graham-south-carolina-391886
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    isamisam Posts: 40,931
    Brilliant. Corporate virtue signalling sucks
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    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    kinabalu said:

    malcolmg said:

    Carnyx said:

    The Scot Greens caved! Who saw that coming?

    https://twitter.com/alexmassie/status/1293223482273259529?s=20

    Massie is finding it unreasonable that a party focussed heavily on the student demographic should focus also on its concerns. Rather odd of him.

    The SNP administration is a minority one, pace those PBers who go berserk about alleged one-party states. So of course the Greens claim the credit. It's not as if the SCUP MSPs would vote to help the SNP at all, still less the SLAB ones (on the Bain Principle), and I'm not sure what the LDs think except SNP bad.
    Massie is a unionist lickspittle, he could not be objective if it hit him on the face. Everything SNP or independence is bad to him, the fanny likes cricket, what can I say.
    Is it possible, would you say, to support Scottish independence AND like cricket?

    I have not in practice come across this particular combination but my circle is not wide these days.
    Perfectly possible. An elderly local and keen cricketer voted for indy.

    I have a feeling that I read somewhere that Scotland had more cricket players than England pro rata but find that difficult to believe even so ...

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/record-breaking-scotland-beat-england-at-cricket-t02m7q5cg

    There are some very beautiful pitches in Scotland - for instance that at Castle Leod in Strathpeffer.
    A close family friend works for Cricket Scotland in their participation team, said something similar.

    Has seen a growth due to indoor cricket being viable.
    This reminds me that I was just thinking on my morning walks how the grass is so very green in Scotland these days. Is that also part of it? We're always hearing about drought in England.
    A lot of has been spent on improving pitches in Scotland, I think one of the other reasons is other sports are seen as less safe, few people want their kids to play rugby, because of the risk of serious injury.
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    Like most of the American coverage, this tells us nothing we did not already know. It contains nothing new, not even when the announcement will be made. According to CNN it might be today. Well we could all have said that. It might be today or tomorrow or the day after.

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    contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818
    edited August 2020

    Yeah, we just seem to be reasonably immune from a need to vote for parties that espouse ant-immigrant & anti-refugee rhetoric, eg UKIP, TBP and the Tory party. Still, let's see if the linesman can build up some momentum with the gypsy traveller schtick.
    Absolutely! No "othering" in Scottish politics! No "blaming another country" for Scotland's failings. You must be so proud!

    No 'othering' after Yousef's law BY law....! - or prison!

    Still, you get to keep your hands. For now.
    Ah, I see the Muslim thing is one of your many triggers.
    Anything rather defend a gagging blasphemy law eh?
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    stodge said:

    http://www.electionpolling.co.uk/battleground/targets/liberal-democrat

    Some very tight seats here, not a lot of work for the Lib Dems to triple their seat count

    To triple their seats the LibDems would have to hold all they currently have and gain the likes of Harrogate and Wells which have near 10k majorities.

    And given the reliance on personal votes the likes of Dunbartonshire E, Carshalton, St Ives and Eastbourne might be rather harder to win next time than they were in 2019.
    So much will depend on how the Conservatives are polling. It's been a long time since the Conservatives went into an election polling poorly - 2005 in my view.

    There's no "law" saying the Conservatives will always do well and if they are less than popular next time will all their former votes go Labour or will some go LD?
    Certainly, lots might happen over future years.

    But gaining seats with a 5k+ majority is harder than 'not a lot of work'.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,969
    isam said:

    Brilliant. Corporate virtue signalling sucks
    Perhaps they are bitter about HMGs recent moves on obesity?
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,226
    Pagan2 said:

    HYUFD said:
    Hang on I thought according to the ons we had 96% compliance and here we have 65% which is about the figure I estimated I was seeing at Tesco's and was told I was making it up
    Why would you make something like that up? You'd gain nothing. It would be truly odd behaviour.
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,579
    edited August 2020
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    Going shopping. No time for a mud-wrestle.
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    stodge said:

    http://www.electionpolling.co.uk/battleground/targets/liberal-democrat

    Some very tight seats here, not a lot of work for the Lib Dems to triple their seat count

    To triple their seats the LibDems would have to hold all they currently have and gain the likes of Harrogate and Wells which have near 10k majorities.

    And given the reliance on personal votes the likes of Dunbartonshire E, Carshalton, St Ives and Eastbourne might be rather harder to win next time than they were in 2019.
    So much will depend on how the Conservatives are polling. It's been a long time since the Conservatives went into an election polling poorly - 2005 in my view.

    There's no "law" saying the Conservatives will always do well and if they are less than popular next time will all their former votes go Labour or will some go LD?
    Certainly, lots might happen over future years.

    But gaining seats with a 5k+ majority is harder than 'not a lot of work'.
    The Tories did it.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,130

    Yeah, we just seem to be reasonably immune from a need to vote for parties that espouse ant-immigrant & anti-refugee rhetoric, eg UKIP, TBP and the Tory party. Still, let's see if the linesman can build up some momentum with the gypsy traveller schtick.
    Absolutely! No "othering" in Scottish politics! No "blaming another country" for Scotland's failings. You must be so proud!

    No 'othering' after Yousef's law BY law....! - or prison!

    Still, you get to keep your hands. For now.
    Ah, I see the Muslim thing is one of your many triggers.
    Anything rather defend a gagging blasphemy law eh?
    I don't have to defend anything to you, you're just another anonymous reactionary on the internet. That's very much a flooded market.
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    Yeah, we just seem to be reasonably immune from a need to vote for parties that espouse ant-immigrant & anti-refugee rhetoric, eg UKIP, TBP and the Tory party. Still, let's see if the linesman can build up some momentum with the gypsy traveller schtick.
    Absolutely! No "othering" in Scottish politics! No "blaming another country" for Scotland's failings. You must be so proud!

    No 'othering' after Yousef's law BY law....! - or prison!

    Still, you get to keep your hands. For now.
    Ah, I see the Muslim thing is one of your many triggers.
    Anything rather defend a gagging blasphemy law eh?
    Do you still defend coked up racists using the word P*kis?
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    FARCICAL decision in Scotland....

    What happens to contextual offers now, are they scrapped and the 'normal' higher grade requirements used instead no matter what your postcode is?

    Can't see that going down too well...

    God only knows what Thursday and then the days after are going to bring and as we know Boris is only one pressure point away from a U turn at the best of times.
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    USA Dem VP slot -- Susan Rice now odds-on on Betfair. Many of the rags laid off the boards.

    Susan Rice: 1.7
    Kamala Harris: 2.92
    Val Demings: 19
    Gretchen Whitmer: 20
    Elizabeth Warren: 26
    Michelle Obama: 30
    Tammy Duckworth: 30
    Hillary Clinton: 65
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,631
    isam said:

    Brilliant. Corporate virtue signalling sucks
    Not nearly so much as Priti.
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    stodge said:

    http://www.electionpolling.co.uk/battleground/targets/liberal-democrat

    Some very tight seats here, not a lot of work for the Lib Dems to triple their seat count

    To triple their seats the LibDems would have to hold all they currently have and gain the likes of Harrogate and Wells which have near 10k majorities.

    And given the reliance on personal votes the likes of Dunbartonshire E, Carshalton, St Ives and Eastbourne might be rather harder to win next time than they were in 2019.
    So much will depend on how the Conservatives are polling. It's been a long time since the Conservatives went into an election polling poorly - 2005 in my view.

    There's no "law" saying the Conservatives will always do well and if they are less than popular next time will all their former votes go Labour or will some go LD?
    Certainly, lots might happen over future years.

    But gaining seats with a 5k+ majority is harder than 'not a lot of work'.
    The Tories did it.
    In some places they did it but there were others with smaller majorities than that in 2005 which never went Conservative in any of the four elections since.
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    contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818

    Yeah, we just seem to be reasonably immune from a need to vote for parties that espouse ant-immigrant & anti-refugee rhetoric, eg UKIP, TBP and the Tory party. Still, let's see if the linesman can build up some momentum with the gypsy traveller schtick.
    Absolutely! No "othering" in Scottish politics! No "blaming another country" for Scotland's failings. You must be so proud!

    No 'othering' after Yousef's law BY law....! - or prison!

    Still, you get to keep your hands. For now.
    Ah, I see the Muslim thing is one of your many triggers.
    Anything rather defend a gagging blasphemy law eh?
    Do you still defend coked up racists using the word P*kis?
    Absolutely not but I do defend people who might like to criticise and satirize islam and its prophet should they so wish, along with christianity, buddhism, humanism, and the attitudes of the left, right, and every other belief out there.
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    glwglw Posts: 9,549
    RobD said:

    Nigelb said:
    I suspect it'll be all the rage for the next decade or so. Fifty years later? Forgotten about.
    ++ No doubt about it, we will forget all the leasons we learn or should have learnt.

    Related to that we should take a coronal mass ejection very seriously but we are doing essentially nothing even though it could cause huge damage to our technological world.
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,226
    edited August 2020

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    malcolmg said:

    Carnyx said:

    The Scot Greens caved! Who saw that coming?

    https://twitter.com/alexmassie/status/1293223482273259529?s=20

    Massie is finding it unreasonable that a party focussed heavily on the student demographic should focus also on its concerns. Rather odd of him.

    The SNP administration is a minority one, pace those PBers who go berserk about alleged one-party states. So of course the Greens claim the credit. It's not as if the SCUP MSPs would vote to help the SNP at all, still less the SLAB ones (on the Bain Principle), and I'm not sure what the LDs think except SNP bad.
    Massie is a unionist lickspittle, he could not be objective if it hit him on the face. Everything SNP or independence is bad to him, the fanny likes cricket, what can I say.
    Is it possible, would you say, to support Scottish independence AND like cricket?

    I have not in practice come across this particular combination but my circle is not wide these days.
    Jimmy Reid, trade unionist and variously Communist, Labour member & supporter of Scottish Independence, was a big cricket fan.

    Edit: I note it was the 10th anniversary of his death yesterday. His funeral service was attended by Ed Balls, Ed Miliband, Gordon Brown, Alex Salmond, Sir Alex Ferguson and Sir Billy Connolly, not a bad haul changing reputations notwithstanding.
    My dad - even during his working class uncle tom tory phase - was a massive fan of Jimmy Reid.

    "If all communists were like that I'd consider it."

    Still remember him saying that.
    As I remember Jimmy Reid was rather scathing about Arthur.
    Which would have endeared him all the more to my dad. He hated - and I mean hated - Scargill. Still does. The miners strike was intense in our house. Got a bit traumatic at times.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,631

    USA Dem VP slot -- Susan Rice now odds-on on Betfair. Many of the rags laid off the boards.

    Susan Rice: 1.7
    Kamala Harris: 2.92
    Val Demings: 19
    Gretchen Whitmer: 20
    Elizabeth Warren: 26
    Michelle Obama: 30
    Tammy Duckworth: 30
    Hillary Clinton: 65

    Leak, or jumping too soon to conclusions ?

    (FWIW, I’ve covered both options.)
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,632
    I see that The Truss has got herself into a pickle over cheese again.

    It seems that she has a taste for something with a blue vein running through it.

    Stilton cheese too.
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    stodgestodge Posts: 12,864


    Certainly, lots might happen over future years.

    But gaining seats with a 5k+ majority is harder than 'not a lot of work'.

    Of course and I agree with the view some of the seats where the LDs went close last December may not be as easy as seems possible but other seats are, I think, possible with the required work, improvements in local council representation and malaise in Conservative ranks.

    The gains of 1997 were concentrated in areas where the LDs had an existing local Government presence so that's where to start.

    The other point, picked up at long last by Polly Toynbee but which those of us with a functioning brain cell have known for a long time is the truth that the Conservatives' biggest ally last year was Jeremy Corbyn. Those who might have had justifiable reservations about Boris Johnson had only to consider the alternative that was Corbyn to see those reservations dispelled.

    Starmer isn't Corbyn - that much is clear. Those who would not consider Corbyn under any circumstances are now prepared to give Starmer a fair hearing, IF Starmer succeeds in portraying Labour as a non-socialist party of the centre-left, those 2019 Conservative voters who felt they had no alternative but to support Johnson to stop Corbyn might, in those seats where the LDs are the obvious challenger, give the Tories a kick safe in the knowledge they have nothing to fear from a Starmer Government.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,130
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    malcolmg said:

    Carnyx said:

    The Scot Greens caved! Who saw that coming?

    https://twitter.com/alexmassie/status/1293223482273259529?s=20

    Massie is finding it unreasonable that a party focussed heavily on the student demographic should focus also on its concerns. Rather odd of him.

    The SNP administration is a minority one, pace those PBers who go berserk about alleged one-party states. So of course the Greens claim the credit. It's not as if the SCUP MSPs would vote to help the SNP at all, still less the SLAB ones (on the Bain Principle), and I'm not sure what the LDs think except SNP bad.
    Massie is a unionist lickspittle, he could not be objective if it hit him on the face. Everything SNP or independence is bad to him, the fanny likes cricket, what can I say.
    Is it possible, would you say, to support Scottish independence AND like cricket?

    I have not in practice come across this particular combination but my circle is not wide these days.
    Jimmy Reid, trade unionist and variously Communist, Labour member & supporter of Scottish Independence, was a big cricket fan.

    Edit: I note it was the 10th anniversary of his death yesterday. His funeral service was attended by Ed Balls, Ed Miliband, Gordon Brown, Alex Salmond, Sir Alex Ferguson and Sir Billy Connolly, not a bad haul changing reputations notwithstanding.
    My dad - even during his working class uncle tom tory phase - was a massive fan of Jimmy Reid.

    "If all communists were like that I'd consider it."

    Still remember him saying that.
    As I remember Jimmy Reid was rather scathing about Arthur.
    Which would have endeared him all the more to my dad. He hated - and I mean hated - Scargill. Still does. The miners strike was intense in our house. Got a bit traumatic at times.
    Don't think McGahey was that keen on Arthur either though he stayed on board during the battle.

    Feisty times, used to go to my gran's for tea and get pummeled by my dad as a pinko enemy within, then go to a hostelry to get pummeled by the ultras for saying Arthur was fucking it up. Happy days..
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,220
    Sir Gavin must follow Swinney to avoid embarrassment on Thursday.

    Meanwile, elsewhere, Boris Johnson enjoys another fantastic day campaigning. Today he was painting a wall and wearing a hard hat and hi-viz vest.
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    Exam results. The boy is doing a spoons pub crawl with his college mates. "We don't want to sober up until they decide what grades we get".

    Don't blame them.
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    Nigelb said:

    USA Dem VP slot -- Susan Rice now odds-on on Betfair. Many of the rags laid off the boards.

    Susan Rice: 1.7
    Kamala Harris: 2.92
    Val Demings: 19
    Gretchen Whitmer: 20
    Elizabeth Warren: 26
    Michelle Obama: 30
    Tammy Duckworth: 30
    Hillary Clinton: 65

    Leak, or jumping too soon to conclusions ?

    (FWIW, I’ve covered both options.)
    Rice is bouncing around between odds-on and odds-against the same way Kamala Harris was a few days ago. My guess is people are actively adjusting their positions according to what they think will happen. If it were a leak, if someone thought they knew, they'd just take the lot, and that is not happening.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,631

    Nigelb said:

    USA Dem VP slot -- Susan Rice now odds-on on Betfair. Many of the rags laid off the boards.

    Susan Rice: 1.7
    Kamala Harris: 2.92
    Val Demings: 19
    Gretchen Whitmer: 20
    Elizabeth Warren: 26
    Michelle Obama: 30
    Tammy Duckworth: 30
    Hillary Clinton: 65

    Leak, or jumping too soon to conclusions ?

    (FWIW, I’ve covered both options.)
    Rice is bouncing around between odds-on and odds-against the same way Kamala Harris was a few days ago. My guess is people are actively adjusting their positions according to what they think will happen. If it were a leak, if someone thought they knew, they'd just take the lot, and that is not happening.
    That’s my gut feel.

    But like everyone else, I don’t know anything.
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,226
    isam said:

    Brilliant. Corporate virtue signalling sucks
    I agree.

    And so does the Beeb acting as Patel's mouthpiece.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Charles said:

    From the article...

    The truth was far more mundane. A few protesters among the many thousands appear to have burned a single Bible — and possibly a second — for kindling to start a bigger fire. None of the other protesters seemed to notice or care.

    So conservatives criticised protestors for burning the Bible because... drum roll... they burned a Bible.

    But it's a "Russian Hit!!!!!!" because, presumably, this is seen as a way of drawing the sting from a legitimate criticism.

    And vice versa. You are in danger of denying it is Russian trolling because a bible was burned. It is amplification that is a favoured technique of the Russians.
    Maybe - although it seems to have been a single tweet by a legitimate actor (based on the Ruptly video) that was picked up.

    If the NYTimes had written an article saying “the criticism is unfair because it was only one bible by a fringe group” that would have been entirely reasonable. We’d all have dismissed it in the way we recognise that violent troublemakers like to join otherwise peaceful marches.

    But they didn’t. They said “this isn’t true because it’s from a Russian source and by the way it actually is true but we are going to bury that in the middle of the article and hope no one notices”.

    That’s just crap journalism
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    alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    You can spend as much as you like on "pandemic preparedness". It all goes out of the window in the first ten minutes if it's the wrong pandemic.

    In fact the UK would probably have done better against Coronavirus if they had had no plan at all, however limited it was. Because most of the decisions they took in the first weeks and months were largely following their existing plans to perfecdtion.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,631

    Sir Gavin must follow Swinney to avoid embarrassment on Thursday.

    Meanwile, elsewhere, Boris Johnson enjoys another fantastic day campaigning. Today he was painting a wall and wearing a hard hat and hi-viz vest.

    Bos the Builder...

    His fantasy hero Churchill liked bricklaying.
    Pitiful, really.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,308
    kinabalu said:

    Has anyone picked up on this:

    However, these grades, taken overall, would represent a significant improvement on previous years - including a jump of 20 percentage points in the pass rate for pupils from the most deprived areas.

    So that was the reason the biggest downgrades happened for the most deprived areas.

    But wise decision by Sturgeon - she didn't come into politics to safeguard the integrity of Scottish education exams but to achieve Scottish independence.

    And keeping the maximum number of people happy until the next referendum is the way to achieve that.

    If the net impact is to bump up the results for deprived areas more than for affluent areas that is surely "every cloud" territory.
    Arrrgh!!!

    This is not a "post code lottery" as it has been wrongly described. The reason most of the kids got their projected grades marked down is because their schools are crap and have been consistently crap since time immemorial, failing generation after generation of Scottish children.

    That is what needs to be addressed but the Scottish government has resisted any concept of failing schools such as the English have because it would upset the EIS. So the children continue to fail. Giving them good grades this year does not solve or even address the problem: it temporarily hides it.
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    alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    edited August 2020
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    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    USA Dem VP slot -- Susan Rice now odds-on on Betfair. Many of the rags laid off the boards.

    Susan Rice: 1.7
    Kamala Harris: 2.92
    Val Demings: 19
    Gretchen Whitmer: 20
    Elizabeth Warren: 26
    Michelle Obama: 30
    Tammy Duckworth: 30
    Hillary Clinton: 65

    Leak, or jumping too soon to conclusions ?

    (FWIW, I’ve covered both options.)
    Rice is bouncing around between odds-on and odds-against the same way Kamala Harris was a few days ago. My guess is people are actively adjusting their positions according to what they think will happen. If it were a leak, if someone thought they knew, they'd just take the lot, and that is not happening.
    That’s my gut feel.

    But like everyone else, I don’t know anything.
    I suppose the rational thing to do might be to look at the other candidates if we assume it is a false market on the front two, but can we assume that? Tbh I am thinking of greening up just so I can stop looking at this market and get some sleep!
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Like most of the American coverage, this tells us nothing we did not already know. It contains nothing new, not even when the announcement will be made. According to CNN it might be today. Well we could all have said that. It might be today or tomorrow or the day after.

    It’s also pointless.

    Biden staff calls contact at CNN. “I know but I can’t tell you”. Making themselves feel big and important and increasing their perceived value as a source.

    CNN phones up another senior Biden staffer. “We’ve heard Biden has told some of your colleagues. Has he told you?” Staffer thinks “crap, no, may be I’m not that important. But I can’t tell CNN that” replies “of course he has, but I can’t tell you”...
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,226

    Yeah, we just seem to be reasonably immune from a need to vote for parties that espouse ant-immigrant & anti-refugee rhetoric, eg UKIP, TBP and the Tory party. Still, let's see if the linesman can build up some momentum with the gypsy traveller schtick.
    Absolutely! No "othering" in Scottish politics! No "blaming another country" for Scotland's failings. You must be so proud!

    No 'othering' after Yousef's law BY law....! - or prison!

    Still, you get to keep your hands. For now.
    Ah, I see the Muslim thing is one of your many triggers.
    Anything rather defend a gagging blasphemy law eh?
    Do you still defend coked up racists using the word P*kis?
    Absolutely not but I do defend people who might like to criticise and satirize islam and its prophet should they so wish, along with christianity, buddhism, humanism, and the attitudes of the left, right, and every other belief out there.
    What about people who spend every waking hour "criticizing and satirizing" Islam?
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    God, I hate it when the aristos tell the plebs what to do.

    https://twitter.com/labour_history/status/1293263729665159169
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    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    USA Dem VP slot -- Susan Rice now odds-on on Betfair. Many of the rags laid off the boards.

    Susan Rice: 1.7
    Kamala Harris: 2.92
    Val Demings: 19
    Gretchen Whitmer: 20
    Elizabeth Warren: 26
    Michelle Obama: 30
    Tammy Duckworth: 30
    Hillary Clinton: 65

    Leak, or jumping too soon to conclusions ?

    (FWIW, I’ve covered both options.)
    Rice is bouncing around between odds-on and odds-against the same way Kamala Harris was a few days ago. My guess is people are actively adjusting their positions according to what they think will happen. If it were a leak, if someone thought they knew, they'd just take the lot, and that is not happening.
    That’s my gut feel.

    But like everyone else, I don’t know anything.
    I suppose the rational thing to do might be to look at the other candidates if we assume it is a false market on the front two, but can we assume that? Tbh I am thinking of greening up just so I can stop looking at this market and get some sleep!
    Kamala Harris is now odds-on favourite again. The market is changing faster than I can copy-(reformat)-paste.
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,986
    Nigelb said:

    His fantasy hero Churchill liked bricklaying.
    Pitiful, really.

    Churchill actually layed the bricks

    BoZo gets a photo op with some bricks...

    I wouldn't trust him with Lego.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,287

    Exam results. The boy is doing a spoons pub crawl with his college mates. "We don't want to sober up until they decide what grades we get".

    Don't blame them.

    While I can’t blame him, is he sure his liver can take five years of inebriation?
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,631
    alex_ said:

    You can spend as much as you like on "pandemic preparedness". It all goes out of the window in the first ten minutes if it's the wrong pandemic.

    In fact the UK would probably have done better against Coronavirus if they had had no plan at all, however limited it was. Because most of the decisions they took in the first weeks and months were largely following their existing plans to perfecdtion.

    Nonsense.
    If you have public heath capacity, that will help in any pandemic.
    Quarantine, track&trace; testing labs; vaccine manufacturing capacity... common to all pandemics.

    The mistake was having a single plan for one particular pandemic.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,308
    alex_ said:
    That's such a bad appeal I don't think Broad himself would have been asking for a review. And they don't get much worse than that.
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,220
    Nigelb said:

    Sir Gavin must follow Swinney to avoid embarrassment on Thursday.

    Meanwile, elsewhere, Boris Johnson enjoys another fantastic day campaigning. Today he was painting a wall and wearing a hard hat and hi-viz vest.

    Bos the Builder...

    His fantasy hero Churchill liked bricklaying.
    Pitiful, really.
    Yesterday it was bows and arrows. I wonder what it will be tomorrow?Doubtless on Thursday (A level day) teaching Latin to sixthformers at a Wandsworth comprehensive.

    Johnson really is a great election campaigner, what else is there to do now Covid-19 has been beaten in the UK?
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    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    USA Dem VP slot -- Susan Rice now odds-on on Betfair. Many of the rags laid off the boards.

    Susan Rice: 1.7
    Kamala Harris: 2.92
    Val Demings: 19
    Gretchen Whitmer: 20
    Elizabeth Warren: 26
    Michelle Obama: 30
    Tammy Duckworth: 30
    Hillary Clinton: 65

    Leak, or jumping too soon to conclusions ?

    (FWIW, I’ve covered both options.)
    Rice is bouncing around between odds-on and odds-against the same way Kamala Harris was a few days ago. My guess is people are actively adjusting their positions according to what they think will happen. If it were a leak, if someone thought they knew, they'd just take the lot, and that is not happening.
    That’s my gut feel.

    But like everyone else, I don’t know anything.
    I suppose the rational thing to do might be to look at the other candidates if we assume it is a false market on the front two, but can we assume that? Tbh I am thinking of greening up just so I can stop looking at this market and get some sleep!
    Kamala Harris is now odds-on favourite again. The market is changing faster than I can copy-(reformat)-paste.
    Kamala Harris: 1.55
    Susan Rice: 4.4

    What a turn-round.
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,226

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    malcolmg said:

    Carnyx said:

    The Scot Greens caved! Who saw that coming?

    https://twitter.com/alexmassie/status/1293223482273259529?s=20

    Massie is finding it unreasonable that a party focussed heavily on the student demographic should focus also on its concerns. Rather odd of him.

    The SNP administration is a minority one, pace those PBers who go berserk about alleged one-party states. So of course the Greens claim the credit. It's not as if the SCUP MSPs would vote to help the SNP at all, still less the SLAB ones (on the Bain Principle), and I'm not sure what the LDs think except SNP bad.
    Massie is a unionist lickspittle, he could not be objective if it hit him on the face. Everything SNP or independence is bad to him, the fanny likes cricket, what can I say.
    Is it possible, would you say, to support Scottish independence AND like cricket?

    I have not in practice come across this particular combination but my circle is not wide these days.
    Jimmy Reid, trade unionist and variously Communist, Labour member & supporter of Scottish Independence, was a big cricket fan.

    Edit: I note it was the 10th anniversary of his death yesterday. His funeral service was attended by Ed Balls, Ed Miliband, Gordon Brown, Alex Salmond, Sir Alex Ferguson and Sir Billy Connolly, not a bad haul changing reputations notwithstanding.
    My dad - even during his working class uncle tom tory phase - was a massive fan of Jimmy Reid.

    "If all communists were like that I'd consider it."

    Still remember him saying that.
    As I remember Jimmy Reid was rather scathing about Arthur.
    Which would have endeared him all the more to my dad. He hated - and I mean hated - Scargill. Still does. The miners strike was intense in our house. Got a bit traumatic at times.
    Don't think McGahey was that keen on Arthur either though he stayed on board during the battle.

    Feisty times, used to go to my gran's for tea and get pummeled by my dad as a pinko enemy within, then go to a hostelry to get pummeled by the ultras for saying Arthur was fucking it up. Happy days..
    Ha. Well my dad was management and running picket lines, my brother at 19 was on strike and on those lines, and they lived together. You can imagine.
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,226
    Nigelb said:

    USA Dem VP slot -- Susan Rice now odds-on on Betfair. Many of the rags laid off the boards.

    Susan Rice: 1.7
    Kamala Harris: 2.92
    Val Demings: 19
    Gretchen Whitmer: 20
    Elizabeth Warren: 26
    Michelle Obama: 30
    Tammy Duckworth: 30
    Hillary Clinton: 65

    Leak, or jumping too soon to conclusions ?

    (FWIW, I’ve covered both options.)
    And it's ...

    MICHELLE!

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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    God, I hate it when the aristos tell the plebs what to do.

    https://twitter.com/labour_history/status/1293263729665159169

    I’ve paid both rent and a mortgage. Does that make me a pleb in your eyes?
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,631

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    USA Dem VP slot -- Susan Rice now odds-on on Betfair. Many of the rags laid off the boards.

    Susan Rice: 1.7
    Kamala Harris: 2.92
    Val Demings: 19
    Gretchen Whitmer: 20
    Elizabeth Warren: 26
    Michelle Obama: 30
    Tammy Duckworth: 30
    Hillary Clinton: 65

    Leak, or jumping too soon to conclusions ?

    (FWIW, I’ve covered both options.)
    Rice is bouncing around between odds-on and odds-against the same way Kamala Harris was a few days ago. My guess is people are actively adjusting their positions according to what they think will happen. If it were a leak, if someone thought they knew, they'd just take the lot, and that is not happening.
    That’s my gut feel.

    But like everyone else, I don’t know anything.
    I suppose the rational thing to do might be to look at the other candidates if we assume it is a false market on the front two, but can we assume that? Tbh I am thinking of greening up just so I can stop looking at this market and get some sleep!
    The rational thing to do is ... LOL.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,631
    Charles said:

    God, I hate it when the aristos tell the plebs what to do.

    https://twitter.com/labour_history/status/1293263729665159169

    I’ve paid both rent and a mortgage. Does that make me a pleb in your eyes?
    Definitely. :smile:
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    Charles said:

    God, I hate it when the aristos tell the plebs what to do.

    https://twitter.com/labour_history/status/1293263729665159169

    I’ve paid both rent and a mortgage. Does that make me a pleb in your eyes?
    I too have paid both rent and a mortgage and I'm no pleb.

    But the second Viscount Stansgate is definitely an aristo.
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    alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    No overall UK death numbers today? Does that mean tomorrow is the big correction day?
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    contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818
    kinabalu said:

    Yeah, we just seem to be reasonably immune from a need to vote for parties that espouse ant-immigrant & anti-refugee rhetoric, eg UKIP, TBP and the Tory party. Still, let's see if the linesman can build up some momentum with the gypsy traveller schtick.
    Absolutely! No "othering" in Scottish politics! No "blaming another country" for Scotland's failings. You must be so proud!

    No 'othering' after Yousef's law BY law....! - or prison!

    Still, you get to keep your hands. For now.
    Ah, I see the Muslim thing is one of your many triggers.
    Anything rather defend a gagging blasphemy law eh?
    Do you still defend coked up racists using the word P*kis?
    Absolutely not but I do defend people who might like to criticise and satirize islam and its prophet should they so wish, along with christianity, buddhism, humanism, and the attitudes of the left, right, and every other belief out there.
    What about people who spend every waking hour "criticizing and satirizing" Islam?
    Personally I can;t stand people who spend their lives picking holes in the Koran or what the prophet did or didn;t do with his time or whatever. What a bunch of useless saddos. Nobody listens to them or gives a toss.

    Should they be prosecuted for that? Put in prison? no. They can try to find fault with religions in stupid inconsequential ways if they want. Its their own time they are wasting. Nobody else's.

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    alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    edited August 2020
    Charles said:

    God, I hate it when the aristos tell the plebs what to do.

    https://twitter.com/labour_history/status/1293263729665159169

    I’ve paid both rent and a mortgage. Does that make me a pleb in your eyes?


    Pokey one bed apartment in the East Wing? ;)
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    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    USA Dem VP slot -- Susan Rice now odds-on on Betfair. Many of the rags laid off the boards.

    Susan Rice: 1.7
    Kamala Harris: 2.92
    Val Demings: 19
    Gretchen Whitmer: 20
    Elizabeth Warren: 26
    Michelle Obama: 30
    Tammy Duckworth: 30
    Hillary Clinton: 65

    Leak, or jumping too soon to conclusions ?

    (FWIW, I’ve covered both options.)
    Rice is bouncing around between odds-on and odds-against the same way Kamala Harris was a few days ago. My guess is people are actively adjusting their positions according to what they think will happen. If it were a leak, if someone thought they knew, they'd just take the lot, and that is not happening.
    That’s my gut feel.

    But like everyone else, I don’t know anything.
    I suppose the rational thing to do might be to look at the other candidates if we assume it is a false market on the front two, but can we assume that? Tbh I am thinking of greening up just so I can stop looking at this market and get some sleep!
    The rational thing to do is ... LOL.
    All the books have suspended. Is something up or do they just fancy an early night?
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,220

    God, I hate it when the aristos tell the plebs what to do.

    https://twitter.com/labour_history/status/1293263729665159169

    I think I saw what you did there.

    Being poorly educated I am still however debating the following conundrum:

    Plain old Neil Kinnock being lectured by Lord Stansgate.

    OR

    Plain old Tony Benn being lectured by Lord Kinnock.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    Rice seems to be err.. trending.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,931

    God, I hate it when the aristos tell the plebs what to do.

    https://twitter.com/labour_history/status/1293263729665159169

    Benn was right though wasn't he? I don't see what his personal situation had to do with the broader point
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    isamisam Posts: 40,931

    God, I hate it when the aristos tell the plebs what to do.

    https://twitter.com/labour_history/status/1293263729665159169

    I think I saw what you did there.

    Being poorly educated I am still however debating the following conundrum:

    Plain old Neil Kinnock being lectured by Lord Stansgate.

    OR

    Plain old Tony Benn being lectured by Lord Kinnock.
    Oh was it a clever play on the fact they were both Lords and commoners?! Very good
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,226
    DavidL said:

    kinabalu said:

    Has anyone picked up on this:

    However, these grades, taken overall, would represent a significant improvement on previous years - including a jump of 20 percentage points in the pass rate for pupils from the most deprived areas.

    So that was the reason the biggest downgrades happened for the most deprived areas.

    But wise decision by Sturgeon - she didn't come into politics to safeguard the integrity of Scottish education exams but to achieve Scottish independence.

    And keeping the maximum number of people happy until the next referendum is the way to achieve that.

    If the net impact is to bump up the results for deprived areas more than for affluent areas that is surely "every cloud" territory.
    Arrrgh!!!

    This is not a "post code lottery" as it has been wrongly described. The reason most of the kids got their projected grades marked down is because their schools are crap and have been consistently crap since time immemorial, failing generation after generation of Scottish children.

    That is what needs to be addressed but the Scottish government has resisted any concept of failing schools such as the English have because it would upset the EIS. So the children continue to fail. Giving them good grades this year does not solve or even address the problem: it temporarily hides it.
    No of course it's not a good situation that exams were not taken. But given the unfortunate circumstances I think it's right to err on the side of generosity and especially at the struggling end of things.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,631
    An important debate (FWIW I’m in favour of a challenge trial):

    https://twitter.com/angie_rasmussen/status/1293263923022503936
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    TimTTimT Posts: 6,328
    alex_ said:

    You can spend as much as you like on "pandemic preparedness". It all goes out of the window in the first ten minutes if it's the wrong pandemic.

    In fact the UK would probably have done better against Coronavirus if they had had no plan at all, however limited it was. Because most of the decisions they took in the first weeks and months were largely following their existing plans to perfecdtion.

    I think there is a Johns Hopkins study that shows the US and UK were the two most prepared countries in relation to a novel pandemic, and as a result, made the worst early decisions because they stuck to their plans.
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    God, I hate it when the aristos tell the plebs what to do.

    https://twitter.com/labour_history/status/1293263729665159169

    I think I saw what you did there.

    Being poorly educated I am still however debating the following conundrum:

    Plain old Neil Kinnock being lectured by Lord Stansgate.

    OR

    Plain old Tony Benn being lectured by Lord Kinnock.
    Well I'm the King of subtlety and nuance.
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,220
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    fox327fox327 Posts: 366
    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    MikeL said:

    Next year they'll say it's not fair to have lower grades than this year - especially as those children will also have had their work interrupted by virus.

    So you're then in a position of prizes for everyone and a completely meaningless exam system.

    That then means employers just set their own tests to determine who really is capable.

    Youy're forgetting that the results still rank people, and there are dates on the certificates.

    Either the system will revert to the pre-virus procedures and no comparable special treatment, which is rough justice of sorts but a special case (as, it must be said, so much else to do with the virus). Or the system needs to be reviewed in its approach to grading. It will be very interesting to see what the promised review in Scotland does.
    Option B.

    The point is that this has shown with brutal clarity that the people running our exam systems are morons.

    Now those of us who have worked for them - as I have - and seen their incompetence up close knew that already.

    But as of this moment, everyone knows are exams are controlled by people who cannot manage simple quality control processes or basic statistics.

    How does that affect the credibility of exams going forward? Hint - not positively.

    So I do not see how either OFQUAL or the SQA or indeed the direct exam boards survive this fiasco. They already looked shaky enough even before today’s announcement (and given the way England’s results are set up, I am 99% sure Williamson will have to follow suit here).

    That might well be a good thing. But it does depend on what replaces them.
    There is no good way out of this now. The schools stayed open for key workers's children. They could have stayed open for examinations as well, possibly by hiring extra premises and retired teachers. No attempt was made to do this by the government, and all the consequences for the examination system flow from this fact. Also, students' coursework could have been externally marked instead of being marked by their own teachers. This government put responding to the COVID crisis above everything else, including educational standards, and they are about to reap the consequences.

    A new set of qualifications will be probably needed in a few years time as the current school examinations are now likely to become irrevocably degraded by grade inflation.

    How was grade inflation avoided for so many years in the 1950s, 1960s, 1970s and the early 1980s? I suspect that exam boards were relatively free of political interference and regulations. Perhaps schools would now be better off with the International Baccalaureate which is run in such a way as to prioritise academic standards. This however will not be allowed as government intervention in schools will only increase. It is funny that the more government interference in education there is, the lower the academic standards become.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Charles said:

    God, I hate it when the aristos tell the plebs what to do.

    https://twitter.com/labour_history/status/1293263729665159169

    I’ve paid both rent and a mortgage. Does that make me a pleb in your eyes?
    I too have paid both rent and a mortgage and I'm no pleb.

    But the second Viscount Stansgate is definitely an aristo.
    It’s a post Lloyd George peerage. No way he qualifies.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,130
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    malcolmg said:

    Carnyx said:

    The Scot Greens caved! Who saw that coming?

    https://twitter.com/alexmassie/status/1293223482273259529?s=20

    Massie is finding it unreasonable that a party focussed heavily on the student demographic should focus also on its concerns. Rather odd of him.

    The SNP administration is a minority one, pace those PBers who go berserk about alleged one-party states. So of course the Greens claim the credit. It's not as if the SCUP MSPs would vote to help the SNP at all, still less the SLAB ones (on the Bain Principle), and I'm not sure what the LDs think except SNP bad.
    Massie is a unionist lickspittle, he could not be objective if it hit him on the face. Everything SNP or independence is bad to him, the fanny likes cricket, what can I say.
    Is it possible, would you say, to support Scottish independence AND like cricket?

    I have not in practice come across this particular combination but my circle is not wide these days.
    Jimmy Reid, trade unionist and variously Communist, Labour member & supporter of Scottish Independence, was a big cricket fan.

    Edit: I note it was the 10th anniversary of his death yesterday. His funeral service was attended by Ed Balls, Ed Miliband, Gordon Brown, Alex Salmond, Sir Alex Ferguson and Sir Billy Connolly, not a bad haul changing reputations notwithstanding.
    My dad - even during his working class uncle tom tory phase - was a massive fan of Jimmy Reid.

    "If all communists were like that I'd consider it."

    Still remember him saying that.
    As I remember Jimmy Reid was rather scathing about Arthur.
    Which would have endeared him all the more to my dad. He hated - and I mean hated - Scargill. Still does. The miners strike was intense in our house. Got a bit traumatic at times.
    Don't think McGahey was that keen on Arthur either though he stayed on board during the battle.

    Feisty times, used to go to my gran's for tea and get pummeled by my dad as a pinko enemy within, then go to a hostelry to get pummeled by the ultras for saying Arthur was fucking it up. Happy days..
    Ha. Well my dad was management and running picket lines, my brother at 19 was on strike and on those lines, and they lived together. You can imagine.
    Can indeed, classic Play for Today if there was still a PFT.
    Maybe an R4 afternoon play in these reduced times?
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    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    USA Dem VP slot -- Susan Rice now odds-on on Betfair. Many of the rags laid off the boards.

    Susan Rice: 1.7
    Kamala Harris: 2.92
    Val Demings: 19
    Gretchen Whitmer: 20
    Elizabeth Warren: 26
    Michelle Obama: 30
    Tammy Duckworth: 30
    Hillary Clinton: 65

    Leak, or jumping too soon to conclusions ?

    (FWIW, I’ve covered both options.)
    Rice is bouncing around between odds-on and odds-against the same way Kamala Harris was a few days ago. My guess is people are actively adjusting their positions according to what they think will happen. If it were a leak, if someone thought they knew, they'd just take the lot, and that is not happening.
    That’s my gut feel.

    But like everyone else, I don’t know anything.
    I suppose the rational thing to do might be to look at the other candidates if we assume it is a false market on the front two, but can we assume that? Tbh I am thinking of greening up just so I can stop looking at this market and get some sleep!
    The rational thing to do is ... LOL.
    All the books have suspended. Is something up or do they just fancy an early night?
    Bass out:

    California Rep. Karen Bass, chairwoman of the Congressional Black Caucus, was told by Biden himself that she was not the pick, a source familiar tells CNN.
    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/11/politics/biden-vp-pick/index.html
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,632
    alex_ said:

    No overall UK death numbers today? Does that mean tomorrow is the big correction day?

    I saw a number given out on the BBC News Channel earlier. Just over 100 IIRC.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,631
    TimT said:

    alex_ said:

    You can spend as much as you like on "pandemic preparedness". It all goes out of the window in the first ten minutes if it's the wrong pandemic.

    In fact the UK would probably have done better against Coronavirus if they had had no plan at all, however limited it was. Because most of the decisions they took in the first weeks and months were largely following their existing plans to perfecdtion.

    I think there is a Johns Hopkins study that shows the US and UK were the two most prepared countries in relation to a novel pandemic, and as a result, made the worst early decisions because they stuck to their plans.
    Problem was they weren’t prepared for a novel pandemic at all.
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    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    USA Dem VP slot -- Susan Rice now odds-on on Betfair. Many of the rags laid off the boards.

    Susan Rice: 1.7
    Kamala Harris: 2.92
    Val Demings: 19
    Gretchen Whitmer: 20
    Elizabeth Warren: 26
    Michelle Obama: 30
    Tammy Duckworth: 30
    Hillary Clinton: 65

    Leak, or jumping too soon to conclusions ?

    (FWIW, I’ve covered both options.)
    Rice is bouncing around between odds-on and odds-against the same way Kamala Harris was a few days ago. My guess is people are actively adjusting their positions according to what they think will happen. If it were a leak, if someone thought they knew, they'd just take the lot, and that is not happening.
    That’s my gut feel.

    But like everyone else, I don’t know anything.
    I suppose the rational thing to do might be to look at the other candidates if we assume it is a false market on the front two, but can we assume that? Tbh I am thinking of greening up just so I can stop looking at this market and get some sleep!
    The rational thing to do is ... LOL.
    All the books have suspended. Is something up or do they just fancy an early night?
    Bass out:

    California Rep. Karen Bass, chairwoman of the Congressional Black Caucus, was told by Biden himself that she was not the pick, a source familiar tells CNN.
    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/11/politics/biden-vp-pick/index.html
    They think it's all over...
    Rice 7
    Harris 1.4

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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,481
    edited August 2020
    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    God, I hate it when the aristos tell the plebs what to do.

    https://twitter.com/labour_history/status/1293263729665159169

    I’ve paid both rent and a mortgage. Does that make me a pleb in your eyes?
    I too have paid both rent and a mortgage and I'm no pleb.

    But the second Viscount Stansgate is definitely an aristo.
    It’s a post Lloyd George peerage. No way he qualifies.
    By the definition in my OED Benn was an aristo.
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,226

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    USA Dem VP slot -- Susan Rice now odds-on on Betfair. Many of the rags laid off the boards.

    Susan Rice: 1.7
    Kamala Harris: 2.92
    Val Demings: 19
    Gretchen Whitmer: 20
    Elizabeth Warren: 26
    Michelle Obama: 30
    Tammy Duckworth: 30
    Hillary Clinton: 65

    Leak, or jumping too soon to conclusions ?

    (FWIW, I’ve covered both options.)
    Rice is bouncing around between odds-on and odds-against the same way Kamala Harris was a few days ago. My guess is people are actively adjusting their positions according to what they think will happen. If it were a leak, if someone thought they knew, they'd just take the lot, and that is not happening.
    That’s my gut feel.

    But like everyone else, I don’t know anything.
    I suppose the rational thing to do might be to look at the other candidates if we assume it is a false market on the front two, but can we assume that? Tbh I am thinking of greening up just so I can stop looking at this market and get some sleep!
    Kamala Harris is now odds-on favourite again. The market is changing faster than I can copy-(reformat)-paste.
    If it helps about a year ago I had a quite intense vision of "President Harris" landing in the UK on airforce one. It was a windy day and her hair was a problem as she descended. And that was it. The vision ended there. No idea what year it was or the purpose of the visit.
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    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    USA Dem VP slot -- Susan Rice now odds-on on Betfair. Many of the rags laid off the boards.

    Susan Rice: 1.7
    Kamala Harris: 2.92
    Val Demings: 19
    Gretchen Whitmer: 20
    Elizabeth Warren: 26
    Michelle Obama: 30
    Tammy Duckworth: 30
    Hillary Clinton: 65

    Leak, or jumping too soon to conclusions ?

    (FWIW, I’ve covered both options.)
    Rice is bouncing around between odds-on and odds-against the same way Kamala Harris was a few days ago. My guess is people are actively adjusting their positions according to what they think will happen. If it were a leak, if someone thought they knew, they'd just take the lot, and that is not happening.
    That’s my gut feel.

    But like everyone else, I don’t know anything.
    I suppose the rational thing to do might be to look at the other candidates if we assume it is a false market on the front two, but can we assume that? Tbh I am thinking of greening up just so I can stop looking at this market and get some sleep!
    The rational thing to do is ... LOL.
    All the books have suspended. Is something up or do they just fancy an early night?
    Bass out:

    California Rep. Karen Bass, chairwoman of the Congressional Black Caucus, was told by Biden himself that she was not the pick, a source familiar tells CNN.
    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/11/politics/biden-vp-pick/index.html
    They think it's all over...
    Rice 7
    Harris 1.4

    Harris dropped to 1.01
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,259

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    USA Dem VP slot -- Susan Rice now odds-on on Betfair. Many of the rags laid off the boards.

    Susan Rice: 1.7
    Kamala Harris: 2.92
    Val Demings: 19
    Gretchen Whitmer: 20
    Elizabeth Warren: 26
    Michelle Obama: 30
    Tammy Duckworth: 30
    Hillary Clinton: 65

    Leak, or jumping too soon to conclusions ?

    (FWIW, I’ve covered both options.)
    Rice is bouncing around between odds-on and odds-against the same way Kamala Harris was a few days ago. My guess is people are actively adjusting their positions according to what they think will happen. If it were a leak, if someone thought they knew, they'd just take the lot, and that is not happening.
    That’s my gut feel.

    But like everyone else, I don’t know anything.
    I suppose the rational thing to do might be to look at the other candidates if we assume it is a false market on the front two, but can we assume that? Tbh I am thinking of greening up just so I can stop looking at this market and get some sleep!
    The rational thing to do is ... LOL.
    All the books have suspended. Is something up or do they just fancy an early night?
    Bass out:

    California Rep. Karen Bass, chairwoman of the Congressional Black Caucus, was told by Biden himself that she was not the pick, a source familiar tells CNN.
    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/11/politics/biden-vp-pick/index.html
    They think it's all over...
    Rice 7
    Harris 1.4

    Harris 1.03 now.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,685

    alex_ said:

    No overall UK death numbers today? Does that mean tomorrow is the big correction day?

    I saw a number given out on the BBC News Channel earlier. Just over 100 IIRC.
    https://twitter.com/cricketwyvern/status/1293272132458250244
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