I think one of the Left's biggest mistakes in recent years has been their move in an authoritarian, bossy, prissy and lecturing direction, in which there is only one correct opinion on every subject. It's the opposite of the attitude a lot of them used to take back in the 60s and 70s with for example the hippy movement, which had a much more relaxed attitude to life in general.
Lots of straw men there. Bossy authoritarianism exists on both left and right, and debate is fierce and diverse on both sides too. You are fighting demons that only exist in your own imagination.
Report today that Boris is to hold regular cabinet meetings in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland and has already obtained cabinet rooms in Edinburgh
Well thats an efficient use of taxpayers money, not to mention an efficient way to maximise covid spread! I thought we were supposed to be limiting travel?
For anyone who has gone to Spain (or booked) and is now upset that they have to quarantine or speak to their insurance company I have about as much sympathy as I do a Texas Hold Em player who shoves all in on a pair of fives, gets called and a higher card comes down so they lose.
I try to have sympathy for people in bad situations even if they're party to blame.
Indeed, I didn't say no sympathy. I have some sympathy but its very limited - they took a gamble, they didn't win. That's a shame. Hope they've had a good holiday and enjoy their quarantine as best as they can.
The "quarantine" is not policed, though, am I right?
Why does it need to be?
We don't live in an authoritarian Police State.
I'm not arguing about whether it should be or not. Just clarifying that my understanding was correct. Not following all the detail so much these days.
Ok, so essentially voluntary. Therefore you can have your holiday and come back and carry on as normal - and many will no doubt do this.
Well in theory it is policed. You have to provide your place of abode on arrival, and can be subjected to random checks with up to £1000 fines if in breach.
And because there are very few exemptions, there is huge potential for “shopping” from neighbours if they don’t like you.
Which is why I would prefer the rules to be a little looser to at least allow you to leave your house, even if not allowed to participate in social activities etc.
For anyone who has gone to Spain (or booked) and is now upset that they have to quarantine or speak to their insurance company I have about as much sympathy as I do a Texas Hold Em player who shoves all in on a pair of fives, gets called and a higher card comes down so they lose.
I try to have sympathy for people in bad situations even if they're party to blame.
Indeed, I didn't say no sympathy. I have some sympathy but its very limited - they took a gamble, they didn't win. That's a shame. Hope they've had a good holiday and enjoy their quarantine as best as they can.
The "quarantine" is not policed, though, am I right?
Yes ,who is going to know when they get back from Spain what they do for two weeks.
I think one of the Left's biggest mistakes in recent years has been their move in an authoritarian, bossy, prissy and lecturing direction, in which there is only one correct opinion on every subject. It's the opposite of the attitude a lot of them used to take back in the 60s and 70s with for example the hippy movement, which had a much more relaxed attitude to life in general.
For me it's a lack of story, underpinning our policies.
The problem with the 2019 manifesto is there was really no compelling narrative explaining why all these things were needed and the effect they would have.
You can attack the 2017 manifesto if you disagree with it ideologically - and no problem with that - but it's undoubtable it told a very convincing story and was offering people felt they could buy into, something of change.
That is why Johnson stole the principle of change and ran with it.
Report today that Boris is to hold regular cabinet meetings in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland and has already obtained cabinet rooms in Edinburgh
Will he wear a kilt for the Scottish ones, I wonder?
The greenish tartan is Clan Johnson I believe, which apparently automatically confers Scotchness upon the wearer. Perhaps BJ can persuade Carrie & the bairn into a similar get up for a photo op.
For anyone who has gone to Spain (or booked) and is now upset that they have to quarantine or speak to their insurance company I have about as much sympathy as I do a Texas Hold Em player who shoves all in on a pair of fives, gets called and a higher card comes down so they lose.
I try to have sympathy for people in bad situations even if they're party to blame.
Indeed, I didn't say no sympathy. I have some sympathy but its very limited - they took a gamble, they didn't win. That's a shame. Hope they've had a good holiday and enjoy their quarantine as best as they can.
The "quarantine" is not policed, though, am I right?
Ask the chief advisor to the PM....
Quite. And there's the time passing and boredom factor. In general I think the idea most people are anxiously following and religiously complying with the ins and outs of the detailed and changing government "advice" on all this is pour les oiseaux.
Starmer has been pro union from day one and has said so on several occasions
He has but the party has not. Good to see consistent messaging.
Now to get rid of Leonard
And replace him with whom?
Of course with 40%+ of current SLab voters supporting Indy and a majority for indy ref II, you may have to replace some voters too.
Counting chickens and complacency on show
I'm just going on the available polling data and my knowledge of the talent in SLab. If you want to draw on your vast reservoir of Scotch expertise to put forward an alternative view, feel free. Who do you think should lead Scottish Labour, and how do you think they should change the minds of Labour voters inclined towards indy?
Anyone other than Leonard but the SNP are in danger of believing their own hypebole
As I posted earlier so much has changed with covid having a devastating effect on the UK economy, and Scotland's, which will have huge implications. When Scotland experiences the huge job losses and a devastated holiday and tourism business that is inevitable in just a few short months I doubt indy will be on peoples minds
'X has turned out to be crap so we must replace them with someone tbc' sums up the criteria for SLab (& increasingly SCon) choosing new leaders, so you're at least at one with a certain section of Scotpol.
But to be fair, Leonard is fucking shit though.
Which plenty of us said at the time of his election, to be met with the standard response of 'he's the candidate the Nats fear, a man of principle and vision who will park his tanks on their faux progressive lawn'.
Report today that Boris is to hold regular cabinet meetings in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland and has already obtained cabinet rooms in Edinburgh
Well thats an efficient use of taxpayers money, not to mention an efficient way to maximise covid spread! I thought we were supposed to be limiting travel?
And why should the UK government avoid meeting in the devolved nations.
It seems sensible and I would expect a Starmer government to follow the practice
And as far as I am aware there are no internal UK travel restrictions
They will probably be flying 50 odd people including assistants on completely unnecessary journeys at the expense of the taxpayer, the environment and spreading covid around. Politicians are known super spreaders as they meet so many people, and will be expected to do so in Scotland, Wales and Ni when they get there. The only saving grace is many of them have had it already so should be lower risk at least.
It is possibly the most absurd policy suggestion I have heard at a time when the world is rightly moving to online meetings instead of all flying to a certain location. Flying all the people for a meeting from a town they are already in to somewhere else? Really?
Report today that Boris is to hold regular cabinet meetings in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland and has already obtained cabinet rooms in Edinburgh
Well thats an efficient use of taxpayers money, not to mention an efficient way to maximise covid spread! I thought we were supposed to be limiting travel?
And why should the UK government avoid meeting in the devolved nations.
It seems sensible and I would expect a Starmer government to follow the practice
And as far as I am aware there are no internal UK travel restrictions
They will probably be flying 50 odd people including assistants on completely unnecessary journeys at the expense of the taxpayer, the environment and spreading covid around. Politicians are known super spreaders as they meet so many people, and will be expected to do so in Scotland, Wales and Ni when they get there. The only saving grace is many of them have had it already so should be lower risk at least.
It is possibly the most absurd policy suggestion I have heard at a time when the world is rightly moving to online meetings instead of all flying to a certain location. Flying all the people for a meeting from a town they are already in to somewhere else? Really?
As far as I am aware last time they travelled by train. No need to fly
For anyone who has gone to Spain (or booked) and is now upset that they have to quarantine or speak to their insurance company I have about as much sympathy as I do a Texas Hold Em player who shoves all in on a pair of fives, gets called and a higher card comes down so they lose.
I try to have sympathy for people in bad situations even if they're party to blame.
Indeed, I didn't say no sympathy. I have some sympathy but its very limited - they took a gamble, they didn't win. That's a shame. Hope they've had a good holiday and enjoy their quarantine as best as they can.
The "quarantine" is not policed, though, am I right?
Yes ,who is going to know when they get back from Spain what they do for two weeks.
Exactly. Bit of a non story. But I suppose there is a need to preserve the notion that people are taking Johnson & Co seriously on these matters. It would be seditious to imply otherwise.
I'm reminded of when things like the tax threshold for IHT-free gifts is changed and reported at great length in the papers. Nobody actually complies with any of that but the polite fiction is necessary.
I think one of the Left's biggest mistakes in recent years has been their move in an authoritarian, bossy, prissy and lecturing direction, in which there is only one correct opinion on every subject. It's the opposite of the attitude a lot of them used to take back in the 60s and 70s with for example the hippy movement, which had a much more relaxed attitude to life in general.
I read up on the quarantine rules last night and as pointed out up thread they really are draconian - you cannot walk your dog for example.
On the flip side they are also full of holes. You may have the plague so it's unsafe to walk your dog outside where the general consensus is you can't spread it. But you absolutely can get a taxi or a train home from the airport.
And me, who isn't travelling? I can get as up close and personal with Mrs RP and her possible plague as we like. And then go to work, the pub etc to spread it there. So flawless logic as usual from the government.
It's no wonder the police refuse to waste a penny trying to enforce it
Report today that Boris is to hold regular cabinet meetings in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland and has already obtained cabinet rooms in Edinburgh
Well thats an efficient use of taxpayers money, not to mention an efficient way to maximise covid spread! I thought we were supposed to be limiting travel?
And why should the UK government avoid meeting in the devolved nations.
It seems sensible and I would expect a Starmer government to follow the practice
And as far as I am aware there are no internal UK travel restrictions
They will probably be flying 50 odd people including assistants on completely unnecessary journeys at the expense of the taxpayer, the environment and spreading covid around. Politicians are known super spreaders as they meet so many people, and will be expected to do so in Scotland, Wales and Ni when they get there. The only saving grace is many of them have had it already so should be lower risk at least.
It is possibly the most absurd policy suggestion I have heard at a time when the world is rightly moving to online meetings instead of all flying to a certain location. Flying all the people for a meeting from a town they are already in to somewhere else? Really?
As far as I am aware last time they travelled by train. No need to fly
We have the technology to make such travel unnecessary. As Mr Above points out. What was that about gesture politics?
Report today that Boris is to hold regular cabinet meetings in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland and has already obtained cabinet rooms in Edinburgh
Will he wear a kilt for the Scottish ones, I wonder?
The greenish tartan is Clan Johnson I believe, which apparently automatically confers Scotchness upon the wearer. Perhaps BJ can persuade Carrie & the bairn into a similar get up for a photo op.
Talk about clashing tartans there. But I quite like the photo. Tasteful and moody.
Report today that Boris is to hold regular cabinet meetings in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland and has already obtained cabinet rooms in Edinburgh
Well thats an efficient use of taxpayers money, not to mention an efficient way to maximise covid spread! I thought we were supposed to be limiting travel?
And why should the UK government avoid meeting in the devolved nations.
It seems sensible and I would expect a Starmer government to follow the practice
And as far as I am aware there are no internal UK travel restrictions
They will probably be flying 50 odd people including assistants on completely unnecessary journeys at the expense of the taxpayer, the environment and spreading covid around. Politicians are known super spreaders as they meet so many people, and will be expected to do so in Scotland, Wales and Ni when they get there. The only saving grace is many of them have had it already so should be lower risk at least.
It is possibly the most absurd policy suggestion I have heard at a time when the world is rightly moving to online meetings instead of all flying to a certain location. Flying all the people for a meeting from a town they are already in to somewhere else? Really?
As far as I am aware last time they travelled by train. No need to fly
Even worse. Longer times, poorer air con. And when he has thje Shagadelicv jet to fly around in.
For anyone who has gone to Spain (or booked) and is now upset that they have to quarantine or speak to their insurance company I have about as much sympathy as I do a Texas Hold Em player who shoves all in on a pair of fives, gets called and a higher card comes down so they lose.
I try to have sympathy for people in bad situations even if they're party to blame.
Indeed, I didn't say no sympathy. I have some sympathy but its very limited - they took a gamble, they didn't win. That's a shame. Hope they've had a good holiday and enjoy their quarantine as best as they can.
The "quarantine" is not policed, though, am I right?
Why does it need to be?
We don't live in an authoritarian Police State.
I'm not arguing about whether it should be or not. Just clarifying that my understanding was correct. Not following all the detail so much these days.
Ok, so essentially voluntary. Therefore you can have your holiday and come back and carry on as normal - and many will no doubt do this.
There should certainly be some social stigma attached to reckless behaviour as I'm sure a good socialist will agree.
Man City v Norwich: you can get 70/1 on a 0-0 draw. That`s astonishing. While I don`t believe the match will end 0-0, the odds on that outcome are way too high. I`d price it at around 20/1. I`ve had a few quid on.
That is ludicrous. Even 75 looks possible going by the weight of money on either side. I'm doing it too (with my usual in-running laybacks in place).
Although City will clearly be prioritising the Madrid CL game they will be keen to win this well for 2 reasons.
The record margin for winning the PL is 19 points (City 2 seasons ago) and Liverpool cannot beat that record provided City win today - Liverpool currently 18 ahead. Also City are on 97 goals and Pep will want to hit the 100 mark. I can easily seethes being another 5-0 or 6
Report today that Boris is to hold regular cabinet meetings in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland and has already obtained cabinet rooms in Edinburgh
Well thats an efficient use of taxpayers money, not to mention an efficient way to maximise covid spread! I thought we were supposed to be limiting travel?
And why should the UK government avoid meeting in the devolved nations.
It seems sensible and I would expect a Starmer government to follow the practice
And as far as I am aware there are no internal UK travel restrictions
They will probably be flying 50 odd people including assistants on completely unnecessary journeys at the expense of the taxpayer, the environment and spreading covid around. Politicians are known super spreaders as they meet so many people, and will be expected to do so in Scotland, Wales and Ni when they get there. The only saving grace is many of them have had it already so should be lower risk at least.
It is possibly the most absurd policy suggestion I have heard at a time when the world is rightly moving to online meetings instead of all flying to a certain location. Flying all the people for a meeting from a town they are already in to somewhere else? Really?
As far as I am aware last time they travelled by train. No need to fly
To NI there is unless they are going by ferry as well. If they are going by train that is 10 hrs they cant work at full capacity. For 50 senior people, plus their security team plus hotels once there, less rested the day they come back, its just a complete waste of time, energy and money on top of being a health risk and the opposite of what should be encouraged.
If you want to make a political gesture to the other home nations, set it up so the secretaries of state and local cabinet ministers (if there are any) can log in and contribute remotely for every cabinet meeting.
Report today that Boris is to hold regular cabinet meetings in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland and has already obtained cabinet rooms in Edinburgh
Well thats an efficient use of taxpayers money, not to mention an efficient way to maximise covid spread! I thought we were supposed to be limiting travel?
And why should the UK government avoid meeting in the devolved nations.
It seems sensible and I would expect a Starmer government to follow the practice
And as far as I am aware there are no internal UK travel restrictions
They will probably be flying 50 odd people including assistants on completely unnecessary journeys at the expense of the taxpayer, the environment and spreading covid around. Politicians are known super spreaders as they meet so many people, and will be expected to do so in Scotland, Wales and Ni when they get there. The only saving grace is many of them have had it already so should be lower risk at least.
It is possibly the most absurd policy suggestion I have heard at a time when the world is rightly moving to online meetings instead of all flying to a certain location. Flying all the people for a meeting from a town they are already in to somewhere else? Really?
As far as I am aware last time they travelled by train. No need to fly
We have the technology to make such travel unnecessary. As Mr Above points out. What was that about gesture politics?
The case has to be made for the union and meeting in the devolved nations is entirely sensible.
Report today that Boris is to hold regular cabinet meetings in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland and has already obtained cabinet rooms in Edinburgh
Well thats an efficient use of taxpayers money, not to mention an efficient way to maximise covid spread! I thought we were supposed to be limiting travel?
And why should the UK government avoid meeting in the devolved nations.
It seems sensible and I would expect a Starmer government to follow the practice
And as far as I am aware there are no internal UK travel restrictions
They will probably be flying 50 odd people including assistants on completely unnecessary journeys at the expense of the taxpayer, the environment and spreading covid around. Politicians are known super spreaders as they meet so many people, and will be expected to do so in Scotland, Wales and Ni when they get there. The only saving grace is many of them have had it already so should be lower risk at least.
It is possibly the most absurd policy suggestion I have heard at a time when the world is rightly moving to online meetings instead of all flying to a certain location. Flying all the people for a meeting from a town they are already in to somewhere else? Really?
As far as I am aware last time they travelled by train. No need to fly
We have the technology to make such travel unnecessary. As Mr Above points out. What was that about gesture politics?
The case has to be made for the union and meeting in the devolved nations is entirely sensible.
For anyone who has gone to Spain (or booked) and is now upset that they have to quarantine or speak to their insurance company I have about as much sympathy as I do a Texas Hold Em player who shoves all in on a pair of fives, gets called and a higher card comes down so they lose.
That`s unfair. When they departed they were told - and it was written into FCO guidance - that no quarantine would apply on their return to UK. They were entitled to believe this. The change may be necessary, but it should not apply to UK subjects returning home.
Wrong - the change is necessary and it is bad luck if you get caught up in it. Going abroad this summer was always a calculated risk. Risks sometimes do not pay off and you have to suck it up.
We are going to Isle de Re in September and our calculated risk is that we get stuck there and can't return to UK for a couple of months. Fingers crossed we are right and have to stay!
For anyone who has gone to Spain (or booked) and is now upset that they have to quarantine or speak to their insurance company I have about as much sympathy as I do a Texas Hold Em player who shoves all in on a pair of fives, gets called and a higher card comes down so they lose.
I try to have sympathy for people in bad situations even if they're party to blame.
Indeed, I didn't say no sympathy. I have some sympathy but its very limited - they took a gamble, they didn't win. That's a shame. Hope they've had a good holiday and enjoy their quarantine as best as they can.
The "quarantine" is not policed, though, am I right?
Why does it need to be?
We don't live in an authoritarian Police State.
I'm not arguing about whether it should be or not. Just clarifying that my understanding was correct. Not following all the detail so much these days.
Ok, so essentially voluntary. Therefore you can have your holiday and come back and carry on as normal - and many will no doubt do this.
Well in theory it is policed. You have to provide your place of abode on arrival, and can be subjected to random checks with up to £1000 fines if in breach.
And because there are very few exemptions, there is huge potential for “shopping” from neighbours if they don’t like you.
Which is why I would prefer the rules to be a little looser to at least allow you to leave your house, even if not allowed to participate in social activities etc.
Hmm. True. And people at work might know you've been to Spain.
Perhaps I'm being too cynical about it. Perhaps most WILL comply.
Report today that Boris is to hold regular cabinet meetings in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland and has already obtained cabinet rooms in Edinburgh
Well thats an efficient use of taxpayers money, not to mention an efficient way to maximise covid spread! I thought we were supposed to be limiting travel?
And why should the UK government avoid meeting in the devolved nations.
It seems sensible and I would expect a Starmer government to follow the practice
And as far as I am aware there are no internal UK travel restrictions
They will probably be flying 50 odd people including assistants on completely unnecessary journeys at the expense of the taxpayer, the environment and spreading covid around. Politicians are known super spreaders as they meet so many people, and will be expected to do so in Scotland, Wales and Ni when they get there. The only saving grace is many of them have had it already so should be lower risk at least.
It is possibly the most absurd policy suggestion I have heard at a time when the world is rightly moving to online meetings instead of all flying to a certain location. Flying all the people for a meeting from a town they are already in to somewhere else? Really?
As far as I am aware last time they travelled by train. No need to fly
To NI there is unless they are going by ferry as well. If they are going by train that is 10 hrs they cant work at full capacity. For 50 senior people, plus their security team plus hotels once there, less rested the day they come back, its just a complete waste of time, energy and money on top of being a health risk and the opposite of what should be encouraged.
If you want to make a political gesture to the other home nations, set it up so the secretaries of state and local cabinet ministers (if there are any) can log in and contribute remotely for every cabinet meeting.
When I travelled to London on business I worked on the train, as do most business travellers
It seems some are concerned about being seen to take the devolved nations seriously
Report today that Boris is to hold regular cabinet meetings in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland and has already obtained cabinet rooms in Edinburgh
Well thats an efficient use of taxpayers money, not to mention an efficient way to maximise covid spread! I thought we were supposed to be limiting travel?
And why should the UK government avoid meeting in the devolved nations.
It seems sensible and I would expect a Starmer government to follow the practice
And as far as I am aware there are no internal UK travel restrictions
They will probably be flying 50 odd people including assistants on completely unnecessary journeys at the expense of the taxpayer, the environment and spreading covid around. Politicians are known super spreaders as they meet so many people, and will be expected to do so in Scotland, Wales and Ni when they get there. The only saving grace is many of them have had it already so should be lower risk at least.
It is possibly the most absurd policy suggestion I have heard at a time when the world is rightly moving to online meetings instead of all flying to a certain location. Flying all the people for a meeting from a town they are already in to somewhere else? Really?
As far as I am aware last time they travelled by train. No need to fly
We have the technology to make such travel unnecessary. As Mr Above points out. What was that about gesture politics?
The case has to be made for the union and meeting in the devolved nations is entirely sensible.
With respect Mr G, no it isn't. Inviting the relevant First Ministers to the meeting would be a better bet! By Zoom or perhaps a more secure equivalent.
It's absolutely rife in academia, I can tell you that. I don't know whether Corbyn's legacy was to encourage people there to embrace anti-Semitic views, or whether they were anti-Semites all along but *found the courage to come out of the closet* because the Great Leader was one of them too.
Report today that Boris is to hold regular cabinet meetings in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland and has already obtained cabinet rooms in Edinburgh
Well thats an efficient use of taxpayers money, not to mention an efficient way to maximise covid spread! I thought we were supposed to be limiting travel?
And why should the UK government avoid meeting in the devolved nations.
It seems sensible and I would expect a Starmer government to follow the practice
And as far as I am aware there are no internal UK travel restrictions
They will probably be flying 50 odd people including assistants on completely unnecessary journeys at the expense of the taxpayer, the environment and spreading covid around. Politicians are known super spreaders as they meet so many people, and will be expected to do so in Scotland, Wales and Ni when they get there. The only saving grace is many of them have had it already so should be lower risk at least.
It is possibly the most absurd policy suggestion I have heard at a time when the world is rightly moving to online meetings instead of all flying to a certain location. Flying all the people for a meeting from a town they are already in to somewhere else? Really?
As far as I am aware last time they travelled by train. No need to fly
To NI there is unless they are going by ferry as well. If they are going by train that is 10 hrs they cant work at full capacity. For 50 senior people, plus their security team plus hotels once there, less rested the day they come back, its just a complete waste of time, energy and money on top of being a health risk and the opposite of what should be encouraged.
If you want to make a political gesture to the other home nations, set it up so the secretaries of state and local cabinet ministers (if there are any) can log in and contribute remotely for every cabinet meeting.
When I travelled to London on business I worked on the train, as do most business travellers
It seems some are concerned about being seen to take the devolved nations seriously
I really couldnt care if they moved all cabinet meetings and parliament to Dundee, Rhyl or Bangor and used that as the political capital. Just dont fly politicians between them.
The EU policy of flying thousands of people between Brussels and Strasbourg regularly was rightly ridiculed by the Tory right. This proposal is even more silly because of covid spread.
Report today that Boris is to hold regular cabinet meetings in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland and has already obtained cabinet rooms in Edinburgh
Well thats an efficient use of taxpayers money, not to mention an efficient way to maximise covid spread! I thought we were supposed to be limiting travel?
And why should the UK government avoid meeting in the devolved nations.
It seems sensible and I would expect a Starmer government to follow the practice
And as far as I am aware there are no internal UK travel restrictions
They will probably be flying 50 odd people including assistants on completely unnecessary journeys at the expense of the taxpayer, the environment and spreading covid around. Politicians are known super spreaders as they meet so many people, and will be expected to do so in Scotland, Wales and Ni when they get there. The only saving grace is many of them have had it already so should be lower risk at least.
It is possibly the most absurd policy suggestion I have heard at a time when the world is rightly moving to online meetings instead of all flying to a certain location. Flying all the people for a meeting from a town they are already in to somewhere else? Really?
As far as I am aware last time they travelled by train. No need to fly
We have the technology to make such travel unnecessary. As Mr Above points out. What was that about gesture politics?
The case has to be made for the union and meeting in the devolved nations is entirely sensible.
With respect Mr G, no it isn't. Inviting the relevant First Ministers to the meeting would be a better bet! By Zoom or perhaps a more secure equivalent.
Meeting the First Ministers should take place regularly but cabinet is different
Report today that Boris is to hold regular cabinet meetings in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland and has already obtained cabinet rooms in Edinburgh
Well thats an efficient use of taxpayers money, not to mention an efficient way to maximise covid spread! I thought we were supposed to be limiting travel?
And why should the UK government avoid meeting in the devolved nations.
It seems sensible and I would expect a Starmer government to follow the practice
And as far as I am aware there are no internal UK travel restrictions
They will probably be flying 50 odd people including assistants on completely unnecessary journeys at the expense of the taxpayer, the environment and spreading covid around. Politicians are known super spreaders as they meet so many people, and will be expected to do so in Scotland, Wales and Ni when they get there. The only saving grace is many of them have had it already so should be lower risk at least.
It is possibly the most absurd policy suggestion I have heard at a time when the world is rightly moving to online meetings instead of all flying to a certain location. Flying all the people for a meeting from a town they are already in to somewhere else? Really?
As far as I am aware last time they travelled by train. No need to fly
We have the technology to make such travel unnecessary. As Mr Above points out. What was that about gesture politics?
The case has to be made for the union and meeting in the devolved nations is entirely sensible.
I do not think it is during a pandemic.
Actually, probably more important so as to emphasize the strength of the union in fighting the economic armageddon that is about to come about across the UK
Report today that Boris is to hold regular cabinet meetings in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland and has already obtained cabinet rooms in Edinburgh
Well thats an efficient use of taxpayers money, not to mention an efficient way to maximise covid spread! I thought we were supposed to be limiting travel?
And why should the UK government avoid meeting in the devolved nations.
It seems sensible and I would expect a Starmer government to follow the practice
And as far as I am aware there are no internal UK travel restrictions
They will probably be flying 50 odd people including assistants on completely unnecessary journeys at the expense of the taxpayer, the environment and spreading covid around. Politicians are known super spreaders as they meet so many people, and will be expected to do so in Scotland, Wales and Ni when they get there. The only saving grace is many of them have had it already so should be lower risk at least.
It is possibly the most absurd policy suggestion I have heard at a time when the world is rightly moving to online meetings instead of all flying to a certain location. Flying all the people for a meeting from a town they are already in to somewhere else? Really?
As far as I am aware last time they travelled by train. No need to fly
To NI there is unless they are going by ferry as well. If they are going by train that is 10 hrs they cant work at full capacity. For 50 senior people, plus their security team plus hotels once there, less rested the day they come back, its just a complete waste of time, energy and money on top of being a health risk and the opposite of what should be encouraged.
If you want to make a political gesture to the other home nations, set it up so the secretaries of state and local cabinet ministers (if there are any) can log in and contribute remotely for every cabinet meeting.
When I travelled to London on business I worked on the train, as do most business travellers
It seems some are concerned about being seen to take the devolved nations seriously
I really couldnt care if they moved all cabinet meetings and parliament to Dundee, Rhyl or Bangor and used that as the political capital. Just dont fly politicians between them.
The EU policy of flying thousands of people between Brussels and Strasbourg regularly was rightly ridiculed by the Tory right. This proposal is even more silly because of covid spread.
Report today that Boris is to hold regular cabinet meetings in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland and has already obtained cabinet rooms in Edinburgh
Well thats an efficient use of taxpayers money, not to mention an efficient way to maximise covid spread! I thought we were supposed to be limiting travel?
And why should the UK government avoid meeting in the devolved nations.
It seems sensible and I would expect a Starmer government to follow the practice
And as far as I am aware there are no internal UK travel restrictions
They will probably be flying 50 odd people including assistants on completely unnecessary journeys at the expense of the taxpayer, the environment and spreading covid around. Politicians are known super spreaders as they meet so many people, and will be expected to do so in Scotland, Wales and Ni when they get there. The only saving grace is many of them have had it already so should be lower risk at least.
It is possibly the most absurd policy suggestion I have heard at a time when the world is rightly moving to online meetings instead of all flying to a certain location. Flying all the people for a meeting from a town they are already in to somewhere else? Really?
As far as I am aware last time they travelled by train. No need to fly
We have the technology to make such travel unnecessary. As Mr Above points out. What was that about gesture politics?
The case has to be made for the union and meeting in the devolved nations is entirely sensible.
With respect Mr G, no it isn't. Inviting the relevant First Ministers to the meeting would be a better bet! By Zoom or perhaps a more secure equivalent.
BJ and his satraps making the case for the Union to each other in away day cabinet sessions is a metaphor for something. Not only Corbynites who love an echo chamber it would seem.
He will only cement his place if he withdraws the whip from Corbyn and all his fellow travellers post ECHR
Labour will then be a credible force
Have you seen the ECHR report? How do you know it provides enough evidence that Corbyn should go.
Starmer of all people will be careful, he won't do things without evidence...
Quite. Expectations on reports, whether from government, select committees or whoever, tend to be over hyped.
I do wonder what could possibly be in there that was not already known for alleged in respect of Corbyn personally.
If there's evidence Corbyn intervened directly to stop anti-Semitism being directed (so far he's hidden behind others doing it) then that will be big.
Personally I think he's already been told he's losing the Whip.
Leaving aside whether he should lose the whip, do you think it would be smart politics from Starmer to do that?
I'm assuming here no dropdead direct evidence of personal antisemitism against him in the Report. Since if there is, there is no debate.
It would be smart politics. Corbyn is the most unpopular leader in history, it can only be good if he is kicked out.
You may be right. I'm really not sure. There's a risk in Starmer becoming every Tory's favourite Labour leader when there is little chance of them voting for him.
If Corbyn is kicked out WITHOUT (imo) strong evidence of personal antisemitism, I would probably resign my membership. But here's the thing, I'd still be voting Labour, so if doing it swings a few floaters perhaps it IS smart.
But I dunno. It feels off to me. The man himself was never a viable candidate for PM - not bright enough - but his "era" brought a lot that I liked, and he did serve. Kicking him out to please people who I have zero in common with, politically, would - to quote the great Shania Twain - not impress me much.
He will only cement his place if he withdraws the whip from Corbyn and all his fellow travellers post ECHR
Labour will then be a credible force
Have you seen the ECHR report? How do you know it provides enough evidence that Corbyn should go.
Starmer of all people will be careful, he won't do things without evidence...
Quite. Expectations on reports, whether from government, select committees or whoever, tend to be over hyped.
I do wonder what could possibly be in there that was not already known for alleged in respect of Corbyn personally.
If there's evidence Corbyn intervened directly to stop anti-Semitism being directed (so far he's hidden behind others doing it) then that will be big.
Personally I think he's already been told he's losing the Whip.
Leaving aside whether he should lose the whip, do you think it would be smart politics from Starmer to do that?
I'm assuming here no dropdead direct evidence of personal antisemitism against him in the Report. Since if there is, there is no debate.
It would be smart politics. Corbyn is the most unpopular leader in history, it can only be good if he is kicked out.
You may be right. I'm really not sure. There's a risk in Starmer becoming every Tory's favourite Labour leader when there is little chance of them voting for him.
If Corbyn is kicked out WITHOUT (imo) strong evidence of personal antisemitism, I would probably resign my membership. But here's the thing, I'd still be voting Labour, so if doing it swings a few floaters perhaps it IS smart.
But I dunno. It feels off to me. The man himself was never a viable candidate for PM - not bright enough - but his "era" brought a lot that I liked, and he did serve. Kicking him out to impress people who I have zero in common with, politically, would - to quote the great Shania Twain - not impress me much.
Labour is around 38% in the polls, Keir ratings are high but the party is still low. People think Labour is still being ran by Corbynites.
Kick the Corbynites out, no fears anymore.
People want Corbyn gone, pretty much everyone who didn't vote Labour wants him gone and even if 40% of those are Tories (many of whom might vote Labour), there's still millions of people who either sat on their hands in 2019 (I think it's 1m Labour voters?), or voted Lib Dem, Green, etc.
Brexit is eliminated, now eliminate Corbyn.
There is no reason not to do this. So a few MPs leave, so what?
Report today that Boris is to hold regular cabinet meetings in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland and has already obtained cabinet rooms in Edinburgh
Well thats an efficient use of taxpayers money, not to mention an efficient way to maximise covid spread! I thought we were supposed to be limiting travel?
And why should the UK government avoid meeting in the devolved nations.
It seems sensible and I would expect a Starmer government to follow the practice
And as far as I am aware there are no internal UK travel restrictions
They will probably be flying 50 odd people including assistants on completely unnecessary journeys at the expense of the taxpayer, the environment and spreading covid around. Politicians are known super spreaders as they meet so many people, and will be expected to do so in Scotland, Wales and Ni when they get there. The only saving grace is many of them have had it already so should be lower risk at least.
It is possibly the most absurd policy suggestion I have heard at a time when the world is rightly moving to online meetings instead of all flying to a certain location. Flying all the people for a meeting from a town they are already in to somewhere else? Really?
As far as I am aware last time they travelled by train. No need to fly
We have the technology to make such travel unnecessary. As Mr Above points out. What was that about gesture politics?
The case has to be made for the union and meeting in the devolved nations is entirely sensible.
With respect Mr G, no it isn't. Inviting the relevant First Ministers to the meeting would be a better bet! By Zoom or perhaps a more secure equivalent.
BJ and his satraps making the case for the Union to each other in away day cabinet sessions is a metaphor for something. Not only Corbynites who love an echo chamber it would seem.
You may just be underestimating the strength of the union
He will only cement his place if he withdraws the whip from Corbyn and all his fellow travellers post ECHR
Labour will then be a credible force
Have you seen the ECHR report? How do you know it provides enough evidence that Corbyn should go.
Starmer of all people will be careful, he won't do things without evidence...
Quite. Expectations on reports, whether from government, select committees or whoever, tend to be over hyped.
I do wonder what could possibly be in there that was not already known for alleged in respect of Corbyn personally.
If there's evidence Corbyn intervened directly to stop anti-Semitism being directed (so far he's hidden behind others doing it) then that will be big.
Personally I think he's already been told he's losing the Whip.
Leaving aside whether he should lose the whip, do you think it would be smart politics from Starmer to do that?
I'm assuming here no dropdead direct evidence of personal antisemitism against him in the Report. Since if there is, there is no debate.
It would be smart politics. Corbyn is the most unpopular leader in history, it can only be good if he is kicked out.
You may be right. I'm really not sure. There's a risk in Starmer becoming every Tory's favourite Labour leader when there is little chance of them voting for him.
If Corbyn is kicked out WITHOUT (imo) strong evidence of personal antisemitism, I would probably resign my membership. But here's the thing, I'd still be voting Labour, so if doing it swings a few floaters perhaps it IS smart.
But I dunno. It feels off to me. The man himself was never a viable candidate for PM - not bright enough - but his "era" brought a lot that I liked, and he did serve. Kicking him out to impress people who I have zero in common with, politically, would - to quote the great Shania Twain - not impress me much.
Labour is around 38% in the polls, Keir ratings are high but the party is still low. People think Labour is still being ran by Corbynites.
Kick the Corbynites out, no fears anymore.
People want Corbyn gone, pretty much everyone who didn't vote Labour wants him gone and even if 40% of those are Tories (many of whom might vote Labour), there's still millions of people who either sat on their hands in 2019 (I think it's 1m Labour voters?), or voted Lib Dem, Green, etc.
Brexit is eliminated, now eliminate Corbyn.
There is no reason not to do this. So a few MPs leave, so what?
Pushing out MPs that may form a party to the left probably isn't a winning idea. Even if they only get 3-5% at the next election and don't win any seats it will be the difference between another Tory landslide and Labour maybe getting most seats.
Better to have these people inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in, expelling them for short term gratification on twitter would be sixth form politics.
Boris "I don't believe in gestures" Johnson suggests holding Cabinet in Scotland. Hmm.
It is silly, but given his whole political personality is built around gestures, it is perhaps simplest to just all accept that the "I dont believe in gestures" is and was a blatant lie rather than expecting him to live up to it.
For anyone who has gone to Spain (or booked) and is now upset that they have to quarantine or speak to their insurance company I have about as much sympathy as I do a Texas Hold Em player who shoves all in on a pair of fives, gets called and a higher card comes down so they lose.
I try to have sympathy for people in bad situations even if they're party to blame.
Indeed, I didn't say no sympathy. I have some sympathy but its very limited - they took a gamble, they didn't win. That's a shame. Hope they've had a good holiday and enjoy their quarantine as best as they can.
The "quarantine" is not policed, though, am I right?
Why does it need to be?
We don't live in an authoritarian Police State.
I'm not arguing about whether it should be or not. Just clarifying that my understanding was correct. Not following all the detail so much these days.
Ok, so essentially voluntary. Therefore you can have your holiday and come back and carry on as normal - and many will no doubt do this.
There should certainly be some social stigma attached to reckless behaviour as I'm sure a good socialist will agree.
Yes indeed. But if someone (who isn't an architect of the rules) breaks the rules in order to do what they judge best for themselves and their family, I'm not one to get too censorious about it.
He will only cement his place if he withdraws the whip from Corbyn and all his fellow travellers post ECHR
Labour will then be a credible force
Have you seen the ECHR report? How do you know it provides enough evidence that Corbyn should go.
Starmer of all people will be careful, he won't do things without evidence...
Quite. Expectations on reports, whether from government, select committees or whoever, tend to be over hyped.
I do wonder what could possibly be in there that was not already known for alleged in respect of Corbyn personally.
If there's evidence Corbyn intervened directly to stop anti-Semitism being directed (so far he's hidden behind others doing it) then that will be big.
Personally I think he's already been told he's losing the Whip.
Leaving aside whether he should lose the whip, do you think it would be smart politics from Starmer to do that?
I'm assuming here no dropdead direct evidence of personal antisemitism against him in the Report. Since if there is, there is no debate.
It would be smart politics. Corbyn is the most unpopular leader in history, it can only be good if he is kicked out.
You may be right. I'm really not sure. There's a risk in Starmer becoming every Tory's favourite Labour leader when there is little chance of them voting for him.
If Corbyn is kicked out WITHOUT (imo) strong evidence of personal antisemitism, I would probably resign my membership. But here's the thing, I'd still be voting Labour, so if doing it swings a few floaters perhaps it IS smart.
But I dunno. It feels off to me. The man himself was never a viable candidate for PM - not bright enough - but his "era" brought a lot that I liked, and he did serve. Kicking him out to impress people who I have zero in common with, politically, would - to quote the great Shania Twain - not impress me much.
Labour is around 38% in the polls, Keir ratings are high but the party is still low. People think Labour is still being ran by Corbynites.
Kick the Corbynites out, no fears anymore.
People want Corbyn gone, pretty much everyone who didn't vote Labour wants him gone and even if 40% of those are Tories (many of whom might vote Labour), there's still millions of people who either sat on their hands in 2019 (I think it's 1m Labour voters?), or voted Lib Dem, Green, etc.
Brexit is eliminated, now eliminate Corbyn.
There is no reason not to do this. So a few MPs leave, so what?
Pushing out MPs that may form a party to the left probably isn't a winning idea. Even if they only get 3-5% at the next election and don't win any seats it will be the difference between another Tory landslide and Labour maybe getting most seats.
Better to have these people inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in, expelling them for short term gratification on twitter would be sixth form politics.
I also think Labour should not expel Jeremy Corbyn, Please.
For anyone who has gone to Spain (or booked) and is now upset that they have to quarantine or speak to their insurance company I have about as much sympathy as I do a Texas Hold Em player who shoves all in on a pair of fives, gets called and a higher card comes down so they lose.
I try to have sympathy for people in bad situations even if they're party to blame.
Indeed, I didn't say no sympathy. I have some sympathy but its very limited - they took a gamble, they didn't win. That's a shame. Hope they've had a good holiday and enjoy their quarantine as best as they can.
The "quarantine" is not policed, though, am I right?
Why does it need to be?
We don't live in an authoritarian Police State.
I'm not arguing about whether it should be or not. Just clarifying that my understanding was correct. Not following all the detail so much these days.
Ok, so essentially voluntary. Therefore you can have your holiday and come back and carry on as normal - and many will no doubt do this.
There should certainly be some social stigma attached to reckless behaviour as I'm sure a good socialist will agree.
Yes indeed. But if someone (who isn't an architect of the rules) breaks the rules in order to do what they judge best for themselves and their family, I'm not one to get too censorious about it.
Even if it means returning to work in a school or hospital and infecting others? Wow!
He will only cement his place if he withdraws the whip from Corbyn and all his fellow travellers post ECHR
Labour will then be a credible force
Have you seen the ECHR report? How do you know it provides enough evidence that Corbyn should go.
Starmer of all people will be careful, he won't do things without evidence...
Quite. Expectations on reports, whether from government, select committees or whoever, tend to be over hyped.
I do wonder what could possibly be in there that was not already known for alleged in respect of Corbyn personally.
If there's evidence Corbyn intervened directly to stop anti-Semitism being directed (so far he's hidden behind others doing it) then that will be big.
Personally I think he's already been told he's losing the Whip.
Leaving aside whether he should lose the whip, do you think it would be smart politics from Starmer to do that?
I'm assuming here no dropdead direct evidence of personal antisemitism against him in the Report. Since if there is, there is no debate.
It would be smart politics. Corbyn is the most unpopular leader in history, it can only be good if he is kicked out.
You may be right. I'm really not sure. There's a risk in Starmer becoming every Tory's favourite Labour leader when there is little chance of them voting for him.
If Corbyn is kicked out WITHOUT (imo) strong evidence of personal antisemitism, I would probably resign my membership. But here's the thing, I'd still be voting Labour, so if doing it swings a few floaters perhaps it IS smart.
But I dunno. It feels off to me. The man himself was never a viable candidate for PM - not bright enough - but his "era" brought a lot that I liked, and he did serve. Kicking him out to impress people who I have zero in common with, politically, would - to quote the great Shania Twain - not impress me much.
Labour is around 38% in the polls, Keir ratings are high but the party is still low. People think Labour is still being ran by Corbynites.
Kick the Corbynites out, no fears anymore.
People want Corbyn gone, pretty much everyone who didn't vote Labour wants him gone and even if 40% of those are Tories (many of whom might vote Labour), there's still millions of people who either sat on their hands in 2019 (I think it's 1m Labour voters?), or voted Lib Dem, Green, etc.
Brexit is eliminated, now eliminate Corbyn.
There is no reason not to do this. So a few MPs leave, so what?
Pushing out MPs that may form a party to the left probably isn't a winning idea. Even if they only get 3-5% at the next election and don't win any seats it will be the difference between another Tory landslide and Labour maybe getting most seats.
Better to have these people inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in, expelling them for short term gratification on twitter would be sixth form politics.
Hmm. If you claim to be an anti-racist party kicking out racists strikes me as demonstrating your party’s values - rather than simply talking about them.
There’s “broad church” and then there’s having as members people who do not share your values and undermine the party when it tries to implement them.
Man City v Norwich: you can get 70/1 on a 0-0 draw. That`s astonishing. While I don`t believe the match will end 0-0, the odds on that outcome are way too high. I`d price it at around 20/1. I`ve had a few quid on.
That is ludicrous. Even 75 looks possible going by the weight of money on either side. I'm doing it too (with my usual in-running laybacks in place).
Although City will clearly be prioritising the Madrid CL game they will be keen to win this well for 2 reasons.
The record margin for winning the PL is 19 points (City 2 seasons ago) and Liverpool cannot beat that record provided City win today - Liverpool currently 18 ahead. Also City are on 97 goals and Pep will want to hit the 100 mark. I can easily seethes being another 5-0 or 6
Oh yes, I can certainly see a thrashing. But the way I do this bet means unless there's an early goal I'm flat, and if it takes (say) 30 mins for City to get their 1st I'll be well in profit.
For anyone who has gone to Spain (or booked) and is now upset that they have to quarantine or speak to their insurance company I have about as much sympathy as I do a Texas Hold Em player who shoves all in on a pair of fives, gets called and a higher card comes down so they lose.
I try to have sympathy for people in bad situations even if they're party to blame.
Indeed, I didn't say no sympathy. I have some sympathy but its very limited - they took a gamble, they didn't win. That's a shame. Hope they've had a good holiday and enjoy their quarantine as best as they can.
The "quarantine" is not policed, though, am I right?
Why does it need to be?
We don't live in an authoritarian Police State.
I'm not arguing about whether it should be or not. Just clarifying that my understanding was correct. Not following all the detail so much these days.
Ok, so essentially voluntary. Therefore you can have your holiday and come back and carry on as normal - and many will no doubt do this.
There should certainly be some social stigma attached to reckless behaviour as I'm sure a good socialist will agree.
Yes indeed. But if someone (who isn't an architect of the rules) breaks the rules in order to do what they judge best for themselves and their family, I'm not one to get too censorious about it.
Even if it means returning to work in a school or hospital and infecting others? Wow!
For anyone who has gone to Spain (or booked) and is now upset that they have to quarantine or speak to their insurance company I have about as much sympathy as I do a Texas Hold Em player who shoves all in on a pair of fives, gets called and a higher card comes down so they lose.
I try to have sympathy for people in bad situations even if they're party to blame.
Indeed, I didn't say no sympathy. I have some sympathy but its very limited - they took a gamble, they didn't win. That's a shame. Hope they've had a good holiday and enjoy their quarantine as best as they can.
The "quarantine" is not policed, though, am I right?
Why does it need to be?
We don't live in an authoritarian Police State.
I'm not arguing about whether it should be or not. Just clarifying that my understanding was correct. Not following all the detail so much these days.
Ok, so essentially voluntary. Therefore you can have your holiday and come back and carry on as normal - and many will no doubt do this.
There should certainly be some social stigma attached to reckless behaviour as I'm sure a good socialist will agree.
Yes indeed. But if someone (who isn't an architect of the rules) breaks the rules in order to do what they judge best for themselves and their family, I'm not one to get too censorious about it.
Even if it means returning to work in a school or hospital and infecting others? Wow!
Wasn't one of the gripes about the EU the stupid idea of having a weekly shindig in Strasbourg?
Broadly, and I do think a gesture of holding Cabinet in other places is not a very compelling one and is pointless, but there is a difference of scale and cost in holding a Cabinet meeting and hosting a parliament, since the criticism was hardly one merely of principle.
He will only cement his place if he withdraws the whip from Corbyn and all his fellow travellers post ECHR
Labour will then be a credible force
Have you seen the ECHR report? How do you know it provides enough evidence that Corbyn should go.
Starmer of all people will be careful, he won't do things without evidence...
Quite. Expectations on reports, whether from government, select committees or whoever, tend to be over hyped.
I do wonder what could possibly be in there that was not already known for alleged in respect of Corbyn personally.
If there's evidence Corbyn intervened directly to stop anti-Semitism being directed (so far he's hidden behind others doing it) then that will be big.
Personally I think he's already been told he's losing the Whip.
Leaving aside whether he should lose the whip, do you think it would be smart politics from Starmer to do that?
I'm assuming here no dropdead direct evidence of personal antisemitism against him in the Report. Since if there is, there is no debate.
It would be smart politics. Corbyn is the most unpopular leader in history, it can only be good if he is kicked out.
You may be right. I'm really not sure. There's a risk in Starmer becoming every Tory's favourite Labour leader when there is little chance of them voting for him.
If Corbyn is kicked out WITHOUT (imo) strong evidence of personal antisemitism, I would probably resign my membership. But here's the thing, I'd still be voting Labour, so if doing it swings a few floaters perhaps it IS smart.
But I dunno. It feels off to me. The man himself was never a viable candidate for PM - not bright enough - but his "era" brought a lot that I liked, and he did serve. Kicking him out to impress people who I have zero in common with, politically, would - to quote the great Shania Twain - not impress me much.
Labour is around 38% in the polls, Keir ratings are high but the party is still low. People think Labour is still being ran by Corbynites.
Kick the Corbynites out, no fears anymore.
People want Corbyn gone, pretty much everyone who didn't vote Labour wants him gone and even if 40% of those are Tories (many of whom might vote Labour), there's still millions of people who either sat on their hands in 2019 (I think it's 1m Labour voters?), or voted Lib Dem, Green, etc.
Brexit is eliminated, now eliminate Corbyn.
There is no reason not to do this. So a few MPs leave, so what?
Pushing out MPs that may form a party to the left probably isn't a winning idea. Even if they only get 3-5% at the next election and don't win any seats it will be the difference between another Tory landslide and Labour maybe getting most seats.
Better to have these people inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in, expelling them for short term gratification on twitter would be sixth form politics.
Hmm. If you claim to be an anti-racist party kicking out racists strikes me as demonstrating your party’s values - rather than simply talking about them.
There’s “broad church” and then there’s having as members people who do not share your values and undermine the party when it tries to implement them.
Ultimately if Labour want to win they need to be grownups about it. Better to just pursue policies that make them feel unwelcome so they stand down naturally in 2024. The trouble for Labour is that if the left can convince Jez to start a new lefty movement like Nige did all those years ago it will completely split the vote and leave Labour out of power for a long time.
He will only cement his place if he withdraws the whip from Corbyn and all his fellow travellers post ECHR
Labour will then be a credible force
Have you seen the ECHR report? How do you know it provides enough evidence that Corbyn should go.
Starmer of all people will be careful, he won't do things without evidence...
Quite. Expectations on reports, whether from government, select committees or whoever, tend to be over hyped.
I do wonder what could possibly be in there that was not already known for alleged in respect of Corbyn personally.
If there's evidence Corbyn intervened directly to stop anti-Semitism being directed (so far he's hidden behind others doing it) then that will be big.
Personally I think he's already been told he's losing the Whip.
Leaving aside whether he should lose the whip, do you think it would be smart politics from Starmer to do that?
I'm assuming here no dropdead direct evidence of personal antisemitism against him in the Report. Since if there is, there is no debate.
It would be smart politics. Corbyn is the most unpopular leader in history, it can only be good if he is kicked out.
You may be right. I'm really not sure. There's a risk in Starmer becoming every Tory's favourite Labour leader when there is little chance of them voting for him.
If Corbyn is kicked out WITHOUT (imo) strong evidence of personal antisemitism, I would probably resign my membership. But here's the thing, I'd still be voting Labour, so if doing it swings a few floaters perhaps it IS smart.
But I dunno. It feels off to me. The man himself was never a viable candidate for PM - not bright enough - but his "era" brought a lot that I liked, and he did serve. Kicking him out to impress people who I have zero in common with, politically, would - to quote the great Shania Twain - not impress me much.
Labour is around 38% in the polls, Keir ratings are high but the party is still low. People think Labour is still being ran by Corbynites.
Kick the Corbynites out, no fears anymore.
People want Corbyn gone, pretty much everyone who didn't vote Labour wants him gone and even if 40% of those are Tories (many of whom might vote Labour), there's still millions of people who either sat on their hands in 2019 (I think it's 1m Labour voters?), or voted Lib Dem, Green, etc.
Brexit is eliminated, now eliminate Corbyn.
There is no reason not to do this. So a few MPs leave, so what?
With respect 38% is not 'low' - indeed it is a pretty good vote share particularly when account is taken of the 2015 earthquake in Scotland having knocked 2% from Labour's GB vote share.It would exceed Labour's highest vote share at an election since 2001 - with the single exception of the 41% won in 2017.
Boris "I don't believe in gestures" Johnson suggests holding Cabinet in Scotland. Hmm.
Hostage to fortune that quote. Like saying it's not a time for soundbites, it is a bit of a silly one as while you shouldn't only do gestures or talk in soundbites, there are times when it is perfectly appropriate to do both and it will unavoidably happen anyway.
"But this common sense seems to have eluded many, let’s call them “immunity deniers” just for fun. This new breed of deniers had to observe that the majority of people who tested positive for this virus, i.e. the virus was present in their throats, did not get sick. The term “silent carriers” was conjured out of a hat and it was claimed that one could be sick without having symptoms. Wouldn’t that be something! If this principle from now on gets naturalised into the realm of medicine, health insurers would really have a problem, but also teachers whose students could now claim to have whatever disease to skip school, if at the end of the day one didn’t need symptoms anymore to be sick."
For anyone who has gone to Spain (or booked) and is now upset that they have to quarantine or speak to their insurance company I have about as much sympathy as I do a Texas Hold Em player who shoves all in on a pair of fives, gets called and a higher card comes down so they lose.
I try to have sympathy for people in bad situations even if they're party to blame.
Indeed, I didn't say no sympathy. I have some sympathy but its very limited - they took a gamble, they didn't win. That's a shame. Hope they've had a good holiday and enjoy their quarantine as best as they can.
The "quarantine" is not policed, though, am I right?
Why does it need to be?
We don't live in an authoritarian Police State.
I'm not arguing about whether it should be or not. Just clarifying that my understanding was correct. Not following all the detail so much these days.
Ok, so essentially voluntary. Therefore you can have your holiday and come back and carry on as normal - and many will no doubt do this.
Only if you want to break the law.
The law is the law whether or not you're likely to be caught breaking it.
For anyone who has gone to Spain (or booked) and is now upset that they have to quarantine or speak to their insurance company I have about as much sympathy as I do a Texas Hold Em player who shoves all in on a pair of fives, gets called and a higher card comes down so they lose.
I try to have sympathy for people in bad situations even if they're party to blame.
Indeed, I didn't say no sympathy. I have some sympathy but its very limited - they took a gamble, they didn't win. That's a shame. Hope they've had a good holiday and enjoy their quarantine as best as they can.
The "quarantine" is not policed, though, am I right?
Why does it need to be?
We don't live in an authoritarian Police State.
I'm not arguing about whether it should be or not. Just clarifying that my understanding was correct. Not following all the detail so much these days.
Ok, so essentially voluntary. Therefore you can have your holiday and come back and carry on as normal - and many will no doubt do this.
There should certainly be some social stigma attached to reckless behaviour as I'm sure a good socialist will agree.
Yes indeed. But if someone (who isn't an architect of the rules) breaks the rules in order to do what they judge best for themselves and their family, I'm not one to get too censorious about it.
Even if it means returning to work in a school or hospital and infecting others? Wow!
He will only cement his place if he withdraws the whip from Corbyn and all his fellow travellers post ECHR
Labour will then be a credible force
Have you seen the ECHR report? How do you know it provides enough evidence that Corbyn should go.
Starmer of all people will be careful, he won't do things without evidence...
Quite. Expectations on reports, whether from government, select committees or whoever, tend to be over hyped.
I do wonder what could possibly be in there that was not already known for alleged in respect of Corbyn personally.
If there's evidence Corbyn intervened directly to stop anti-Semitism being directed (so far he's hidden behind others doing it) then that will be big.
Personally I think he's already been told he's losing the Whip.
Leaving aside whether he should lose the whip, do you think it would be smart politics from Starmer to do that?
I'm assuming here no dropdead direct evidence of personal antisemitism against him in the Report. Since if there is, there is no debate.
It would be smart politics. Corbyn is the most unpopular leader in history, it can only be good if he is kicked out.
You may be right. I'm really not sure. There's a risk in Starmer becoming every Tory's favourite Labour leader when there is little chance of them voting for him.
If Corbyn is kicked out WITHOUT (imo) strong evidence of personal antisemitism, I would probably resign my membership. But here's the thing, I'd still be voting Labour, so if doing it swings a few floaters perhaps it IS smart.
But I dunno. It feels off to me. The man himself was never a viable candidate for PM - not bright enough - but his "era" brought a lot that I liked, and he did serve. Kicking him out to impress people who I have zero in common with, politically, would - to quote the great Shania Twain - not impress me much.
Labour is around 38% in the polls, Keir ratings are high but the party is still low. People think Labour is still being ran by Corbynites.
Kick the Corbynites out, no fears anymore.
People want Corbyn gone, pretty much everyone who didn't vote Labour wants him gone and even if 40% of those are Tories (many of whom might vote Labour), there's still millions of people who either sat on their hands in 2019 (I think it's 1m Labour voters?), or voted Lib Dem, Green, etc.
Brexit is eliminated, now eliminate Corbyn.
There is no reason not to do this. So a few MPs leave, so what?
Pushing out MPs that may form a party to the left probably isn't a winning idea. Even if they only get 3-5% at the next election and don't win any seats it will be the difference between another Tory landslide and Labour maybe getting most seats.
Better to have these people inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in, expelling them for short term gratification on twitter would be sixth form politics.
Hmm. If you claim to be an anti-racist party kicking out racists strikes me as demonstrating your party’s values - rather than simply talking about them.
There’s “broad church” and then there’s having as members people who do not share your values and undermine the party when it tries to implement them.
Broad church thinking is hugely damaging when taken to the extremes it can be, resulting at times in seemingly lots of people staying within or supporting a party that, over time, has really travelled a long way from their own views, but their tribalism permits them to justify them staying put on the basis of having a broad church.
For anyone who has gone to Spain (or booked) and is now upset that they have to quarantine or speak to their insurance company I have about as much sympathy as I do a Texas Hold Em player who shoves all in on a pair of fives, gets called and a higher card comes down so they lose.
I try to have sympathy for people in bad situations even if they're party to blame.
Indeed, I didn't say no sympathy. I have some sympathy but its very limited - they took a gamble, they didn't win. That's a shame. Hope they've had a good holiday and enjoy their quarantine as best as they can.
The "quarantine" is not policed, though, am I right?
Why does it need to be?
We don't live in an authoritarian Police State.
I'm not arguing about whether it should be or not. Just clarifying that my understanding was correct. Not following all the detail so much these days.
Ok, so essentially voluntary. Therefore you can have your holiday and come back and carry on as normal - and many will no doubt do this.
Only if you want to break the law.
The law is the law whether or not you're likely to be caught breaking it.
Report today that Boris is to hold regular cabinet meetings in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland and has already obtained cabinet rooms in Edinburgh
Well thats an efficient use of taxpayers money, not to mention an efficient way to maximise covid spread! I thought we were supposed to be limiting travel?
And why should the UK government avoid meeting in the devolved nations.
It seems sensible and I would expect a Starmer government to follow the practice
And as far as I am aware there are no internal UK travel restrictions
They will probably be flying 50 odd people including assistants on completely unnecessary journeys at the expense of the taxpayer, the environment and spreading covid around. Politicians are known super spreaders as they meet so many people, and will be expected to do so in Scotland, Wales and Ni when they get there. The only saving grace is many of them have had it already so should be lower risk at least.
It is possibly the most absurd policy suggestion I have heard at a time when the world is rightly moving to online meetings instead of all flying to a certain location. Flying all the people for a meeting from a town they are already in to somewhere else? Really?
As far as I am aware last time they travelled by train. No need to fly
To NI there is unless they are going by ferry as well. If they are going by train that is 10 hrs they cant work at full capacity. For 50 senior people, plus their security team plus hotels once there, less rested the day they come back, its just a complete waste of time, energy and money on top of being a health risk and the opposite of what should be encouraged.
If you want to make a political gesture to the other home nations, set it up so the secretaries of state and local cabinet ministers (if there are any) can log in and contribute remotely for every cabinet meeting.
When I travelled to London on business I worked on the train, as do most business travellers
It seems some are concerned about being seen to take the devolved nations seriously
So downmarket.
You should be working in the Limo or the Helicopter.
For anyone who has gone to Spain (or booked) and is now upset that they have to quarantine or speak to their insurance company I have about as much sympathy as I do a Texas Hold Em player who shoves all in on a pair of fives, gets called and a higher card comes down so they lose.
I try to have sympathy for people in bad situations even if they're party to blame.
Indeed, I didn't say no sympathy. I have some sympathy but its very limited - they took a gamble, they didn't win. That's a shame. Hope they've had a good holiday and enjoy their quarantine as best as they can.
The "quarantine" is not policed, though, am I right?
Why does it need to be?
We don't live in an authoritarian Police State.
I'm not arguing about whether it should be or not. Just clarifying that my understanding was correct. Not following all the detail so much these days.
Ok, so essentially voluntary. Therefore you can have your holiday and come back and carry on as normal - and many will no doubt do this.
Well in theory it is policed. You have to provide your place of abode on arrival, and can be subjected to random checks with up to £1000 fines if in breach.
And because there are very few exemptions, there is huge potential for “shopping” from neighbours if they don’t like you.
Which is why I would prefer the rules to be a little looser to at least allow you to leave your house, even if not allowed to participate in social activities etc.
Hmm. True. And people at work might know you've been to Spain.
Perhaps I'm being too cynical about it. Perhaps most WILL comply.
Since we have Track and Trace running at some reasonably high percentage of contacts (60-80% ?), there could now be comeback later via the other way round the loop.
For anyone who has gone to Spain (or booked) and is now upset that they have to quarantine or speak to their insurance company I have about as much sympathy as I do a Texas Hold Em player who shoves all in on a pair of fives, gets called and a higher card comes down so they lose.
I try to have sympathy for people in bad situations even if they're party to blame.
Indeed, I didn't say no sympathy. I have some sympathy but its very limited - they took a gamble, they didn't win. That's a shame. Hope they've had a good holiday and enjoy their quarantine as best as they can.
The "quarantine" is not policed, though, am I right?
Why does it need to be?
We don't live in an authoritarian Police State.
I'm not arguing about whether it should be or not. Just clarifying that my understanding was correct. Not following all the detail so much these days.
Ok, so essentially voluntary. Therefore you can have your holiday and come back and carry on as normal - and many will no doubt do this.
There should certainly be some social stigma attached to reckless behaviour as I'm sure a good socialist will agree.
Yes indeed. But if someone (who isn't an architect of the rules) breaks the rules in order to do what they judge best for themselves and their family, I'm not one to get too censorious about it.
Even if it means returning to work in a school or hospital and infecting others? Wow!
Talk to Johnson and Cummings not me.
As I thought - all about the politics.
I can't recall - Did you call for Cummings to go?
If you did, fair enough.
If you didn't - it's kettle pot and BLACK.
No - nor do I think people who break quarantine should resign or be sacked - I talked aboud some 'social stigma' which I do think should apply to anyone who breaks the rules regardless of the politics. Nice try though.
So long as they are fit Broad and Anderson have to be included in future series. It's all very well worrying about the future when they are not there and wanting to bed in other players, but in England at least they are as good as they ever have been and you go with your best team.
Report today that Boris is to hold regular cabinet meetings in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland and has already obtained cabinet rooms in Edinburgh
Well thats an efficient use of taxpayers money, not to mention an efficient way to maximise covid spread! I thought we were supposed to be limiting travel?
And why should the UK government avoid meeting in the devolved nations.
It seems sensible and I would expect a Starmer government to follow the practice
And as far as I am aware there are no internal UK travel restrictions
They will probably be flying 50 odd people including assistants on completely unnecessary journeys at the expense of the taxpayer, the environment and spreading covid around. Politicians are known super spreaders as they meet so many people, and will be expected to do so in Scotland, Wales and Ni when they get there. The only saving grace is many of them have had it already so should be lower risk at least.
It is possibly the most absurd policy suggestion I have heard at a time when the world is rightly moving to online meetings instead of all flying to a certain location. Flying all the people for a meeting from a town they are already in to somewhere else? Really?
As far as I am aware last time they travelled by train. No need to fly
We have the technology to make such travel unnecessary. As Mr Above points out. What was that about gesture politics?
The case has to be made for the union and meeting in the devolved nations is entirely sensible.
With respect Mr G, no it isn't. Inviting the relevant First Ministers to the meeting would be a better bet! By Zoom or perhaps a more secure equivalent.
BJ and his satraps making the case for the Union to each other in away day cabinet sessions is a metaphor for something. Not only Corbynites who love an echo chamber it would seem.
You may just be underestimating the strength of the union
To be fair I think many English voters would vote given the chance to let Scotland leave the Union. I would for one , if Scotland wants another referendum and the Scottish people give the SNP a majority they should have that chance. Leaving the EU against Scotlands wishes has changed the dynamic.
Bankrupting the party through a stack of libel and GDPR claims could be considered bringing the party into disrepute
Only if they are untrue claims. You generally need more to fall afoul of a claim of bringing something into disrepute, like dishonest and disceitful behaviour, not just saying and doing things which makes the party/council look bad. I'm sure the former is not received well, but if it is well founded that's something else.
For anyone who has gone to Spain (or booked) and is now upset that they have to quarantine or speak to their insurance company I have about as much sympathy as I do a Texas Hold Em player who shoves all in on a pair of fives, gets called and a higher card comes down so they lose.
I try to have sympathy for people in bad situations even if they're party to blame.
Indeed, I didn't say no sympathy. I have some sympathy but its very limited - they took a gamble, they didn't win. That's a shame. Hope they've had a good holiday and enjoy their quarantine as best as they can.
The "quarantine" is not policed, though, am I right?
Why does it need to be?
We don't live in an authoritarian Police State.
I'm not arguing about whether it should be or not. Just clarifying that my understanding was correct. Not following all the detail so much these days.
Ok, so essentially voluntary. Therefore you can have your holiday and come back and carry on as normal - and many will no doubt do this.
There should certainly be some social stigma attached to reckless behaviour as I'm sure a good socialist will agree.
Yes indeed. But if someone (who isn't an architect of the rules) breaks the rules in order to do what they judge best for themselves and their family, I'm not one to get too censorious about it.
Even if it means returning to work in a school or hospital and infecting others? Wow!
Talk to Johnson and Cummings not me.
As I thought - all about the politics.
I can't recall - Did you call for Cummings to go?
If you did, fair enough.
If you didn't - it's kettle pot and BLACK.
No - nor do I think people who break quarantine should resign or be sacked - I talked aboud some 'social stigma' which I do think should apply to anyone who breaks the rules regardless of the politics. Nice try though.
If somebody broke quarantine to return to work, infecting half the workforce and causing a hit to business, any sane employer would at the very least discipline them and fine them heavily. More probably, they would be sacked.
Obviously Johnson didn’t over Cummings, but I did say ‘sane’ employer.
@Fysics_Teacher - just dawned on me I omitted to mention water for the stew, when adding the veg in the recipe I gave. Pretty obvious I hope, but braising was not what I meant!
For anyone who has gone to Spain (or booked) and is now upset that they have to quarantine or speak to their insurance company I have about as much sympathy as I do a Texas Hold Em player who shoves all in on a pair of fives, gets called and a higher card comes down so they lose.
I try to have sympathy for people in bad situations even if they're party to blame.
Indeed, I didn't say no sympathy. I have some sympathy but its very limited - they took a gamble, they didn't win. That's a shame. Hope they've had a good holiday and enjoy their quarantine as best as they can.
The "quarantine" is not policed, though, am I right?
Why does it need to be?
We don't live in an authoritarian Police State.
I'm not arguing about whether it should be or not. Just clarifying that my understanding was correct. Not following all the detail so much these days.
Ok, so essentially voluntary. Therefore you can have your holiday and come back and carry on as normal - and many will no doubt do this.
There should certainly be some social stigma attached to reckless behaviour as I'm sure a good socialist will agree.
Yes indeed. But if someone (who isn't an architect of the rules) breaks the rules in order to do what they judge best for themselves and their family, I'm not one to get too censorious about it.
Even if it means returning to work in a school or hospital and infecting others? Wow!
Talk to Johnson and Cummings not me.
As I thought - all about the politics.
I can't recall - Did you call for Cummings to go?
If you did, fair enough.
If you didn't - it's kettle pot and BLACK.
No - nor do I think people who break quarantine should resign or be sacked - I talked aboud some 'social stigma' which I do think should apply to anyone who breaks the rules regardless of the politics. Nice try though.
I agreed there should be some social stigma. But that I personally am not naturally one for joining in with it TOO ardently. Rock solid position.
You OTOH -
(i) Happy that the PM's Chief Advisor is not even reprimanded for blatant flouting of quarantine.
(ii) Animated and censorious about private citizens doing same.
Not tenable. Sorry, but it isn't. You need to adjust (ii) or retrospectively adjust (i).
Have a little think and get back to me at leisure.
Man City v Norwich: you can get 70/1 on a 0-0 draw. That`s astonishing. While I don`t believe the match will end 0-0, the odds on that outcome are way too high. I`d price it at around 20/1. I`ve had a few quid on.
It's high for a reason - looks plausible, and is the kind of odds that bookies like to stick in the windows before a match, but would be pretty unusual.
Man City have played 56 games this season, and haven't had a 0-0 yet. It's 67 league games since their last 0-0 (at Liverpool), and if you discount last year's Carling Cup final, where the game wasn't "over" at 90 minutes, then they've gone 109 games without a 0-0 draw.
Add in that Norwich have only had two this season, that they've lost nine in a row, and that they have the worst defence, that City have more goals than any other side, that De Bruyne is one assist off the all time PL record, and that Pep is a mad competitor who can't bear losing at tiddlywinks, then I think 70-1 is probably reasonable.
Report today that Boris is to hold regular cabinet meetings in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland and has already obtained cabinet rooms in Edinburgh
Well thats an efficient use of taxpayers money, not to mention an efficient way to maximise covid spread! I thought we were supposed to be limiting travel?
And why should the UK government avoid meeting in the devolved nations.
It seems sensible and I would expect a Starmer government to follow the practice
And as far as I am aware there are no internal UK travel restrictions
They will probably be flying 50 odd people including assistants on completely unnecessary journeys at the expense of the taxpayer, the environment and spreading covid around. Politicians are known super spreaders as they meet so many people, and will be expected to do so in Scotland, Wales and Ni when they get there. The only saving grace is many of them have had it already so should be lower risk at least.
It is possibly the most absurd policy suggestion I have heard at a time when the world is rightly moving to online meetings instead of all flying to a certain location. Flying all the people for a meeting from a town they are already in to somewhere else? Really?
As far as I am aware last time they travelled by train. No need to fly
We have the technology to make such travel unnecessary. As Mr Above points out. What was that about gesture politics?
The case has to be made for the union and meeting in the devolved nations is entirely sensible.
With respect Mr G, no it isn't. Inviting the relevant First Ministers to the meeting would be a better bet! By Zoom or perhaps a more secure equivalent.
BJ and his satraps making the case for the Union to each other in away day cabinet sessions is a metaphor for something. Not only Corbynites who love an echo chamber it would seem.
You may just be underestimating the strength of the union
To be fair I think many English voters would vote given the chance to let Scotland leave the Union. I would for one , if Scotland wants another referendum and the Scottish people give the SNP a majority they should have that chance. Leaving the EU against Scotlands wishes has changed the dynamic.
Not if turnout at next year's Holyrood elections is barely 50%.
Report today that Boris is to hold regular cabinet meetings in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland and has already obtained cabinet rooms in Edinburgh
Is he going to invite along the leaders of the devolved administrations?
He has the Secretaries of State of each devolved nation in his cabinet
Not "of". "For." A crucial difference that casme in with devolution, and reflecting the fact that the SoS is no longer Scotland's rep in the cabinet, but the UK's wannabe satrap in Scotland (as the SoSoS always was as well, of course).
For anyone who has gone to Spain (or booked) and is now upset that they have to quarantine or speak to their insurance company I have about as much sympathy as I do a Texas Hold Em player who shoves all in on a pair of fives, gets called and a higher card comes down so they lose.
I try to have sympathy for people in bad situations even if they're party to blame.
Indeed, I didn't say no sympathy. I have some sympathy but its very limited - they took a gamble, they didn't win. That's a shame. Hope they've had a good holiday and enjoy their quarantine as best as they can.
The "quarantine" is not policed, though, am I right?
Why does it need to be?
We don't live in an authoritarian Police State.
I'm not arguing about whether it should be or not. Just clarifying that my understanding was correct. Not following all the detail so much these days.
Ok, so essentially voluntary. Therefore you can have your holiday and come back and carry on as normal - and many will no doubt do this.
Well in theory it is policed. You have to provide your place of abode on arrival, and can be subjected to random checks with up to £1000 fines if in breach.
And because there are very few exemptions, there is huge potential for “shopping” from neighbours if they don’t like you.
Which is why I would prefer the rules to be a little looser to at least allow you to leave your house, even if not allowed to participate in social activities etc.
Hmm. True. And people at work might know you've been to Spain.
Perhaps I'm being too cynical about it. Perhaps most WILL comply.
Since we have Track and Trace running at some reasonably high percentage of contacts (60-80% ?), there could now be comeback later via the other way round the loop.
Yes, and that would be embarrassing.
Perhaps they should do like with the Congestion Charge - a bigger fine if you don't fess up and get caught later.
Report today that Boris is to hold regular cabinet meetings in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland and has already obtained cabinet rooms in Edinburgh
Well thats an efficient use of taxpayers money, not to mention an efficient way to maximise covid spread! I thought we were supposed to be limiting travel?
And why should the UK government avoid meeting in the devolved nations.
It seems sensible and I would expect a Starmer government to follow the practice
And as far as I am aware there are no internal UK travel restrictions
They will probably be flying 50 odd people including assistants on completely unnecessary journeys at the expense of the taxpayer, the environment and spreading covid around. Politicians are known super spreaders as they meet so many people, and will be expected to do so in Scotland, Wales and Ni when they get there. The only saving grace is many of them have had it already so should be lower risk at least.
It is possibly the most absurd policy suggestion I have heard at a time when the world is rightly moving to online meetings instead of all flying to a certain location. Flying all the people for a meeting from a town they are already in to somewhere else? Really?
As far as I am aware last time they travelled by train. No need to fly
We have the technology to make such travel unnecessary. As Mr Above points out. What was that about gesture politics?
The case has to be made for the union and meeting in the devolved nations is entirely sensible.
With respect Mr G, no it isn't. Inviting the relevant First Ministers to the meeting would be a better bet! By Zoom or perhaps a more secure equivalent.
BJ and his satraps making the case for the Union to each other in away day cabinet sessions is a metaphor for something. Not only Corbynites who love an echo chamber it would seem.
You may just be underestimating the strength of the union
To be fair I think many English voters would vote given the chance to let Scotland leave the Union. I would for one , if Scotland wants another referendum and the Scottish people give the SNP a majority they should have that chance. Leaving the EU against Scotlands wishes has changed the dynamic.
Not if turnout at next year's Holyrood elections is barely 50%.
Speaking as somebody who is no friend of the SNP and finds increasing - disturbing - similarities to Farage in some of their leaders, my answer to that would be that if Unionists don’t want an SNP majority at Holyrood, they should get out and vote for fecking unionist parties.
If they fail to vote, they cannot complain if their views are not represented.
Given the issues riding on next year, turnout should skyrocket.
Report today that Boris is to hold regular cabinet meetings in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland and has already obtained cabinet rooms in Edinburgh
Well thats an efficient use of taxpayers money, not to mention an efficient way to maximise covid spread! I thought we were supposed to be limiting travel?
And why should the UK government avoid meeting in the devolved nations.
It seems sensible and I would expect a Starmer government to follow the practice
And as far as I am aware there are no internal UK travel restrictions
They will probably be flying 50 odd people including assistants on completely unnecessary journeys at the expense of the taxpayer, the environment and spreading covid around. Politicians are known super spreaders as they meet so many people, and will be expected to do so in Scotland, Wales and Ni when they get there. The only saving grace is many of them have had it already so should be lower risk at least.
It is possibly the most absurd policy suggestion I have heard at a time when the world is rightly moving to online meetings instead of all flying to a certain location. Flying all the people for a meeting from a town they are already in to somewhere else? Really?
As far as I am aware last time they travelled by train. No need to fly
We have the technology to make such travel unnecessary. As Mr Above points out. What was that about gesture politics?
The case has to be made for the union and meeting in the devolved nations is entirely sensible.
With respect Mr G, no it isn't. Inviting the relevant First Ministers to the meeting would be a better bet! By Zoom or perhaps a more secure equivalent.
BJ and his satraps making the case for the Union to each other in away day cabinet sessions is a metaphor for something. Not only Corbynites who love an echo chamber it would seem.
The choice of venues will be interesting. A parish hall in the woods of Aberdeenshire?
Apropos of gyms, this is my gym reopening from yesterday.
Crossfit classes will be running at half their previous size, 8 not 16 - but that is double what it has been in the car park for the last few weeks. It is due to the number of unique complete sets of equipment we have.
We have also been able to do 2 bookable open gym positions.
Measures in place include cleaning down between classes / generous social distancing / one way system / good through ventilation / I think no airbikes, rowers, pull up frame etc for now to keep individuals apart / I think no showers or changing rooms in use at the gym at this point / Normal common supplies such as chalk are having to be brought in by individuals.
For a scale, those taped squares are slightly under 3m x 4m, and the lines of matting are 4ft wide.
The set of rooms at the back are reception / lounge area / treatment rooms, and have been finished off during the lockdown to upgrade the box.
Report today that Boris is to hold regular cabinet meetings in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland and has already obtained cabinet rooms in Edinburgh
Well thats an efficient use of taxpayers money, not to mention an efficient way to maximise covid spread! I thought we were supposed to be limiting travel?
And why should the UK government avoid meeting in the devolved nations.
It seems sensible and I would expect a Starmer government to follow the practice
And as far as I am aware there are no internal UK travel restrictions
They will probably be flying 50 odd people including assistants on completely unnecessary journeys at the expense of the taxpayer, the environment and spreading covid around. Politicians are known super spreaders as they meet so many people, and will be expected to do so in Scotland, Wales and Ni when they get there. The only saving grace is many of them have had it already so should be lower risk at least.
It is possibly the most absurd policy suggestion I have heard at a time when the world is rightly moving to online meetings instead of all flying to a certain location. Flying all the people for a meeting from a town they are already in to somewhere else? Really?
As far as I am aware last time they travelled by train. No need to fly
We have the technology to make such travel unnecessary. As Mr Above points out. What was that about gesture politics?
The case has to be made for the union and meeting in the devolved nations is entirely sensible.
With respect Mr G, no it isn't. Inviting the relevant First Ministers to the meeting would be a better bet! By Zoom or perhaps a more secure equivalent.
BJ and his satraps making the case for the Union to each other in away day cabinet sessions is a metaphor for something. Not only Corbynites who love an echo chamber it would seem.
You may just be underestimating the strength of the union
To be fair I think many English voters would vote given the chance to let Scotland leave the Union. I would for one , if Scotland wants another referendum and the Scottish people give the SNP a majority they should have that chance. Leaving the EU against Scotlands wishes has changed the dynamic.
Not if turnout at next year's Holyrood elections is barely 50%.
Moving the goalposts again, in the best Unionist manner.
Report today that Boris is to hold regular cabinet meetings in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland and has already obtained cabinet rooms in Edinburgh
Well thats an efficient use of taxpayers money, not to mention an efficient way to maximise covid spread! I thought we were supposed to be limiting travel?
And why should the UK government avoid meeting in the devolved nations.
It seems sensible and I would expect a Starmer government to follow the practice
And as far as I am aware there are no internal UK travel restrictions
They will probably be flying 50 odd people including assistants on completely unnecessary journeys at the expense of the taxpayer, the environment and spreading covid around. Politicians are known super spreaders as they meet so many people, and will be expected to do so in Scotland, Wales and Ni when they get there. The only saving grace is many of them have had it already so should be lower risk at least.
It is possibly the most absurd policy suggestion I have heard at a time when the world is rightly moving to online meetings instead of all flying to a certain location. Flying all the people for a meeting from a town they are already in to somewhere else? Really?
As far as I am aware last time they travelled by train. No need to fly
We have the technology to make such travel unnecessary. As Mr Above points out. What was that about gesture politics?
The case has to be made for the union and meeting in the devolved nations is entirely sensible.
With respect Mr G, no it isn't. Inviting the relevant First Ministers to the meeting would be a better bet! By Zoom or perhaps a more secure equivalent.
BJ and his satraps making the case for the Union to each other in away day cabinet sessions is a metaphor for something. Not only Corbynites who love an echo chamber it would seem.
The choice of venues will be interesting. A parish hall in the woods of Aberdeenshire?
I'm sure that the boardrooms of various foodstuff companies will be available.
Report today that Boris is to hold regular cabinet meetings in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland and has already obtained cabinet rooms in Edinburgh
Well thats an efficient use of taxpayers money, not to mention an efficient way to maximise covid spread! I thought we were supposed to be limiting travel?
And why should the UK government avoid meeting in the devolved nations.
It seems sensible and I would expect a Starmer government to follow the practice
And as far as I am aware there are no internal UK travel restrictions
They will probably be flying 50 odd people including assistants on completely unnecessary journeys at the expense of the taxpayer, the environment and spreading covid around. Politicians are known super spreaders as they meet so many people, and will be expected to do so in Scotland, Wales and Ni when they get there. The only saving grace is many of them have had it already so should be lower risk at least.
It is possibly the most absurd policy suggestion I have heard at a time when the world is rightly moving to online meetings instead of all flying to a certain location. Flying all the people for a meeting from a town they are already in to somewhere else? Really?
As far as I am aware last time they travelled by train. No need to fly
We have the technology to make such travel unnecessary. As Mr Above points out. What was that about gesture politics?
The case has to be made for the union and meeting in the devolved nations is entirely sensible.
With respect Mr G, no it isn't. Inviting the relevant First Ministers to the meeting would be a better bet! By Zoom or perhaps a more secure equivalent.
BJ and his satraps making the case for the Union to each other in away day cabinet sessions is a metaphor for something. Not only Corbynites who love an echo chamber it would seem.
You may just be underestimating the strength of the union
To be fair I think many English voters would vote given the chance to let Scotland leave the Union. I would for one , if Scotland wants another referendum and the Scottish people give the SNP a majority they should have that chance. Leaving the EU against Scotlands wishes has changed the dynamic.
Not if turnout at next year's Holyrood elections is barely 50%.
Moving the goalposts again, in the best Unionist manner.
Personally I think there should be a referendum if those campaigning to have one win the election.
But to play devils advocate the magic number is 2 million.
In 2014 just over 2 million voted No. If in 2021 more than 2 million vote SNP or related new referendum parties the case for that overturning the 2014 precedence is unarguable. Fewer than 2 million and an argument can be made that No got more votes (devils advocate: I don't believe this)
Report today that Boris is to hold regular cabinet meetings in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland and has already obtained cabinet rooms in Edinburgh
Well thats an efficient use of taxpayers money, not to mention an efficient way to maximise covid spread! I thought we were supposed to be limiting travel?
And why should the UK government avoid meeting in the devolved nations.
It seems sensible and I would expect a Starmer government to follow the practice
And as far as I am aware there are no internal UK travel restrictions
They will probably be flying 50 odd people including assistants on completely unnecessary journeys at the expense of the taxpayer, the environment and spreading covid around. Politicians are known super spreaders as they meet so many people, and will be expected to do so in Scotland, Wales and Ni when they get there. The only saving grace is many of them have had it already so should be lower risk at least.
It is possibly the most absurd policy suggestion I have heard at a time when the world is rightly moving to online meetings instead of all flying to a certain location. Flying all the people for a meeting from a town they are already in to somewhere else? Really?
As far as I am aware last time they travelled by train. No need to fly
We have the technology to make such travel unnecessary. As Mr Above points out. What was that about gesture politics?
The case has to be made for the union and meeting in the devolved nations is entirely sensible.
With respect Mr G, no it isn't. Inviting the relevant First Ministers to the meeting would be a better bet! By Zoom or perhaps a more secure equivalent.
BJ and his satraps making the case for the Union to each other in away day cabinet sessions is a metaphor for something. Not only Corbynites who love an echo chamber it would seem.
The choice of venues will be interesting. A parish hall in the woods of Aberdeenshire?
I'm sure that the boardrooms of various foodstuff companies will be available.
For anyone who has gone to Spain (or booked) and is now upset that they have to quarantine or speak to their insurance company I have about as much sympathy as I do a Texas Hold Em player who shoves all in on a pair of fives, gets called and a higher card comes down so they lose.
I try to have sympathy for people in bad situations even if they're party to blame.
Indeed, I didn't say no sympathy. I have some sympathy but its very limited - they took a gamble, they didn't win. That's a shame. Hope they've had a good holiday and enjoy their quarantine as best as they can.
The "quarantine" is not policed, though, am I right?
Why does it need to be?
We don't live in an authoritarian Police State.
I'm not arguing about whether it should be or not. Just clarifying that my understanding was correct. Not following all the detail so much these days.
Ok, so essentially voluntary. Therefore you can have your holiday and come back and carry on as normal - and many will no doubt do this.
There should certainly be some social stigma attached to reckless behaviour as I'm sure a good socialist will agree.
Yes indeed. But if someone (who isn't an architect of the rules) breaks the rules in order to do what they judge best for themselves and their family, I'm not one to get too censorious about it.
Even if it means returning to work in a school or hospital and infecting others? Wow!
Talk to Johnson and Cummings not me.
As I thought - all about the politics.
I can't recall - Did you call for Cummings to go?
If you did, fair enough.
If you didn't - it's kettle pot and BLACK.
No - nor do I think people who break quarantine should resign or be sacked - I talked aboud some 'social stigma' which I do think should apply to anyone who breaks the rules regardless of the politics. Nice try though.
I agreed there should be some social stigma. But that I personally am not naturally one for joining in with it TOO ardently. Rock solid position.
You OTOH -
(i) Happy that the PM's Chief Advisor is not even reprimanded for blatant flouting of quarantine.
(ii) Animated and censorious about private citizens doing same.
Not tenable. Sorry, but it isn't. You need to adjust (ii) or retrospectively adjust (i).
Have a little think and get back to me at leisure.
Not much thinking needed. Where did I say he should 'not even be reprimanded' other than in your head?
It's funny that you are so animated about Mr Cummings. I get that - being smashed at the polls must still be very upsetting. And hilarious.
Report today that Boris is to hold regular cabinet meetings in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland and has already obtained cabinet rooms in Edinburgh
Well thats an efficient use of taxpayers money, not to mention an efficient way to maximise covid spread! I thought we were supposed to be limiting travel?
And why should the UK government avoid meeting in the devolved nations.
It seems sensible and I would expect a Starmer government to follow the practice
And as far as I am aware there are no internal UK travel restrictions
They will probably be flying 50 odd people including assistants on completely unnecessary journeys at the expense of the taxpayer, the environment and spreading covid around. Politicians are known super spreaders as they meet so many people, and will be expected to do so in Scotland, Wales and Ni when they get there. The only saving grace is many of them have had it already so should be lower risk at least.
It is possibly the most absurd policy suggestion I have heard at a time when the world is rightly moving to online meetings instead of all flying to a certain location. Flying all the people for a meeting from a town they are already in to somewhere else? Really?
As far as I am aware last time they travelled by train. No need to fly
We have the technology to make such travel unnecessary. As Mr Above points out. What was that about gesture politics?
The case has to be made for the union and meeting in the devolved nations is entirely sensible.
With respect Mr G, no it isn't. Inviting the relevant First Ministers to the meeting would be a better bet! By Zoom or perhaps a more secure equivalent.
BJ and his satraps making the case for the Union to each other in away day cabinet sessions is a metaphor for something. Not only Corbynites who love an echo chamber it would seem.
You may just be underestimating the strength of the union
To be fair I think many English voters would vote given the chance to let Scotland leave the Union. I would for one , if Scotland wants another referendum and the Scottish people give the SNP a majority they should have that chance. Leaving the EU against Scotlands wishes has changed the dynamic.
Not if turnout at next year's Holyrood elections is barely 50%.
Moving the goalposts again, in the best Unionist manner.
Personally I think there should be a referendum if those campaigning to have one win the election.
But to play devils advocate the magic number is 2 million.
In 2014 just over 2 million voted No. If in 2021 more than 2 million vote SNP or related new referendum parties the case for that overturning the 2014 precedence is unarguable. Fewer than 2 million and an argument can be made that No got more votes (devils advocate: I don't believe this)
Hmm. Different electorates, remember (at least at present). Also the trouble is that everyone knows that a decent chunk of ScoLab voters are pro-indy anyway so that logic doesn't work.
You also omitted the Greens - I'm quite sure that is a slip on your part and it would be a bit pedantic of me to bring it up, except that a surprising number of PBers equate the pro-independence MSPs with the SNP ones and completely forget the Green Party.
Report today that Boris is to hold regular cabinet meetings in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland and has already obtained cabinet rooms in Edinburgh
Well thats an efficient use of taxpayers money, not to mention an efficient way to maximise covid spread! I thought we were supposed to be limiting travel?
And why should the UK government avoid meeting in the devolved nations.
It seems sensible and I would expect a Starmer government to follow the practice
And as far as I am aware there are no internal UK travel restrictions
They will probably be flying 50 odd people including assistants on completely unnecessary journeys at the expense of the taxpayer, the environment and spreading covid around. Politicians are known super spreaders as they meet so many people, and will be expected to do so in Scotland, Wales and Ni when they get there. The only saving grace is many of them have had it already so should be lower risk at least.
It is possibly the most absurd policy suggestion I have heard at a time when the world is rightly moving to online meetings instead of all flying to a certain location. Flying all the people for a meeting from a town they are already in to somewhere else? Really?
As far as I am aware last time they travelled by train. No need to fly
We have the technology to make such travel unnecessary. As Mr Above points out. What was that about gesture politics?
The case has to be made for the union and meeting in the devolved nations is entirely sensible.
With respect Mr G, no it isn't. Inviting the relevant First Ministers to the meeting would be a better bet! By Zoom or perhaps a more secure equivalent.
BJ and his satraps making the case for the Union to each other in away day cabinet sessions is a metaphor for something. Not only Corbynites who love an echo chamber it would seem.
You may just be underestimating the strength of the union
To be fair I think many English voters would vote given the chance to let Scotland leave the Union. I would for one , if Scotland wants another referendum and the Scottish people give the SNP a majority they should have that chance. Leaving the EU against Scotlands wishes has changed the dynamic.
Not if turnout at next year's Holyrood elections is barely 50%.
Speaking as somebody who is no friend of the SNP and finds increasing - disturbing - similarities to Farage in some of their leaders, my answer to that would be that if Unionists don’t want an SNP majority at Holyrood, they should get out and vote for fecking unionist parties.
If they fail to vote, they cannot complain if their views are not represented.
Given the issues riding on next year, turnout should skyrocket.
Speaking as somebody who is no friend of the SNP and finds increasing - disturbing - similarities to Farage in some of their leaders, my answer to that would be that if Unionists don’t want an SNP majority at Holyrood, they should get out and vote for fecking unionist parties.
If they fail to vote, they cannot complain if their views are not represented.
Given the issues riding on next year, turnout should skyrocket.
Rather like Newham, there is one monolithic vote and the opposing vote is split multiple ways.
Let's say the SNP polls 50% - the problem is the "Unionist" vote is split between Conservative, Labour, LD, Greens and anyone else.
The only way to slow the SNP down would be for there to be a single Unionist slate with a single Unionist candidate in each seat but you and I both know that will never happen.
Report today that Boris is to hold regular cabinet meetings in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland and has already obtained cabinet rooms in Edinburgh
Well thats an efficient use of taxpayers money, not to mention an efficient way to maximise covid spread! I thought we were supposed to be limiting travel?
And why should the UK government avoid meeting in the devolved nations.
It seems sensible and I would expect a Starmer government to follow the practice
And as far as I am aware there are no internal UK travel restrictions
They will probably be flying 50 odd people including assistants on completely unnecessary journeys at the expense of the taxpayer, the environment and spreading covid around. Politicians are known super spreaders as they meet so many people, and will be expected to do so in Scotland, Wales and Ni when they get there. The only saving grace is many of them have had it already so should be lower risk at least.
It is possibly the most absurd policy suggestion I have heard at a time when the world is rightly moving to online meetings instead of all flying to a certain location. Flying all the people for a meeting from a town they are already in to somewhere else? Really?
As far as I am aware last time they travelled by train. No need to fly
We have the technology to make such travel unnecessary. As Mr Above points out. What was that about gesture politics?
The case has to be made for the union and meeting in the devolved nations is entirely sensible.
With respect Mr G, no it isn't. Inviting the relevant First Ministers to the meeting would be a better bet! By Zoom or perhaps a more secure equivalent.
BJ and his satraps making the case for the Union to each other in away day cabinet sessions is a metaphor for something. Not only Corbynites who love an echo chamber it would seem.
The choice of venues will be interesting. A parish hall in the woods of Aberdeenshire?
I'm sure that the boardrooms of various foodstuff companies will be available.
I'm sure Boris is a big fan off Tunnocks
I can well believe he was (and have eaten quite a few Wafers in my time). But are they now fans of his after his new anti-blubber campaign?
Wasn't one of the gripes about the EU the stupid idea of having a weekly shindig in Strasbourg?
The entirety of Parliament moving there once a month. Hundreds of MEPs, thousands of staffers, countless vans of paperwork etc
Not the Commission having a meeting there.
It's still just completely pointless. Meeting in a room in Westminster or meeting in a room in Edinburgh makes absolutely no difference to what is said in the meeting. If the idea was to extend the meeting to include a few representatives from the devolved administrations then it might have some kind o value, but I highly doubt they would do that.
Fckn hell, spam email from the Telegraph. Pass the sick bag, Doris.
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And because there are very few exemptions, there is huge potential for “shopping” from neighbours if they don’t like you.
Which is why I would prefer the rules to be a little looser to at least allow you to leave your house, even if not allowed to participate in social activities etc.
The problem with the 2019 manifesto is there was really no compelling narrative explaining why all these things were needed and the effect they would have.
You can attack the 2017 manifesto if you disagree with it ideologically - and no problem with that - but it's undoubtable it told a very convincing story and was offering people felt they could buy into, something of change.
That is why Johnson stole the principle of change and ran with it.
It is possibly the most absurd policy suggestion I have heard at a time when the world is rightly moving to online meetings instead of all flying to a certain location. Flying all the people for a meeting from a town they are already in to somewhere else? Really?
I'm reminded of when things like the tax threshold for IHT-free gifts is changed and reported at great length in the papers. Nobody actually complies with any of that but the polite fiction is necessary.
On the flip side they are also full of holes. You may have the plague so it's unsafe to walk your dog outside where the general consensus is you can't spread it. But you absolutely can get a taxi or a train home from the airport.
And me, who isn't travelling? I can get as up close and personal with Mrs RP and her possible plague as we like. And then go to work, the pub etc to spread it there. So flawless logic as usual from the government.
It's no wonder the police refuse to waste a penny trying to enforce it
What was that about gesture politics?
The record margin for winning the PL is 19 points (City 2 seasons ago) and Liverpool cannot beat that record provided City win today - Liverpool currently 18 ahead. Also City are on 97 goals and Pep will want to hit the 100 mark. I can easily seethes being another 5-0 or 6
If you want to make a political gesture to the other home nations, set it up so the secretaries of state and local cabinet ministers (if there are any) can log in and contribute remotely for every cabinet meeting.
Perhaps I'm being too cynical about it. Perhaps most WILL comply.
It seems some are concerned about being seen to take the devolved nations seriously
The EU policy of flying thousands of people between Brussels and Strasbourg regularly was rightly ridiculed by the Tory right. This proposal is even more silly because of covid spread.
Daily Mail so
If Corbyn is kicked out WITHOUT (imo) strong evidence of personal antisemitism, I would probably resign my membership. But here's the thing, I'd still be voting Labour, so if doing it swings a few floaters perhaps it IS smart.
But I dunno. It feels off to me. The man himself was never a viable candidate for PM - not bright enough - but his "era" brought a lot that I liked, and he did serve. Kicking him out to please people who I have zero in common with, politically, would - to quote the great Shania Twain - not impress me much.
Kick the Corbynites out, no fears anymore.
People want Corbyn gone, pretty much everyone who didn't vote Labour wants him gone and even if 40% of those are Tories (many of whom might vote Labour), there's still millions of people who either sat on their hands in 2019 (I think it's 1m Labour voters?), or voted Lib Dem, Green, etc.
Brexit is eliminated, now eliminate Corbyn.
There is no reason not to do this. So a few MPs leave, so what?
Better to have these people inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in, expelling them for short term gratification on twitter would be sixth form politics.
There’s “broad church” and then there’s having as members people who do not share your values and undermine the party when it tries to implement them.
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The law is the law whether or not you're likely to be caught breaking it.
If you did, fair enough.
If you didn't - it's kettle pot and BLACK.
So downmarket.
You should be working in the Limo or the Helicopter.
I talk about a totemic issue for an often overlooked community
You are failing to address the substance of the matter
He/she/it is making a gesture
I would for one , if Scotland wants another referendum and the Scottish people give the SNP a majority they should have that chance.
Leaving the EU against Scotlands wishes has changed the dynamic.
Obviously Johnson didn’t over Cummings, but I did say ‘sane’ employer.
@Fysics_Teacher - just dawned on me I omitted to mention water for the stew, when adding the veg in the recipe I gave. Pretty obvious I hope, but braising was not what I meant!
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You OTOH -
(i) Happy that the PM's Chief Advisor is not even reprimanded for blatant flouting of quarantine.
(ii) Animated and censorious about private citizens doing same.
Not tenable. Sorry, but it isn't. You need to adjust (ii) or retrospectively adjust (i).
Have a little think and get back to me at leisure.
Man City have played 56 games this season, and haven't had a 0-0 yet. It's 67 league games since their last 0-0 (at Liverpool), and if you discount last year's Carling Cup final, where the game wasn't "over" at 90 minutes, then they've gone 109 games without a 0-0 draw.
Add in that Norwich have only had two this season, that they've lost nine in a row, and that they have the worst defence, that City have more goals than any other side, that De Bruyne is one assist off the all time PL record, and that Pep is a mad competitor who can't bear losing at tiddlywinks, then I think 70-1 is probably reasonable.
Perhaps they should do like with the Congestion Charge - a bigger fine if you don't fess up and get caught later.
Not the Commission having a meeting there.
If they fail to vote, they cannot complain if their views are not represented.
Given the issues riding on next year, turnout should skyrocket.
Crossfit classes will be running at half their previous size, 8 not 16 - but that is double what it has been in the car park for the last few weeks. It is due to the number of unique complete sets of equipment we have.
We have also been able to do 2 bookable open gym positions.
Measures in place include cleaning down between classes / generous social distancing / one way system / good through ventilation / I think no airbikes, rowers, pull up frame etc for now to keep individuals apart / I think no showers or changing rooms in use at the gym at this point / Normal common supplies such as chalk are having to be brought in by individuals.
For a scale, those taped squares are slightly under 3m x 4m, and the lines of matting are 4ft wide.
The set of rooms at the back are reception / lounge area / treatment rooms, and have been finished off during the lockdown to upgrade the box.
Proceeding with extreme care, but proceeding.
I wonder if a gap is being left ...
But to play devils advocate the magic number is 2 million.
In 2014 just over 2 million voted No.
If in 2021 more than 2 million vote SNP or related new referendum parties the case for that overturning the 2014 precedence is unarguable. Fewer than 2 million and an argument can be made that No got more votes (devils advocate: I don't believe this)
It's funny that you are so animated about Mr Cummings. I get that - being smashed at the polls must still be very upsetting. And hilarious.
You also omitted the Greens - I'm quite sure that is a slip on your part and it would be a bit pedantic of me to bring it up, except that a surprising number of PBers equate the pro-independence MSPs with the SNP ones and completely forget the Green Party.
If you don't vote you don't get to complain.
That is democracy.
Let's say the SNP polls 50% - the problem is the "Unionist" vote is split between Conservative, Labour, LD, Greens and anyone else.
The only way to slow the SNP down would be for there to be a single Unionist slate with a single Unionist candidate in each seat but you and I both know that will never happen.
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