Short term flitting about will have short (and increasingly shorter) results whilst long term losing the respect of everyone with a memory longer than a goldfish.
He should take the disease excuse and jump.
But he won't. Not until his claws are prised from the precious.
In the end, somebody somewhere is going to have to pay for the explosion of interventionism we have seen in recent months. Big time. Enormous time.
There will have to either be huge spending cuts or huge tax rises. Possibly both. We just can't live like this. There is no new normal.
Short term flitting about will have short (and increasingly shorter) results whilst long term losing the respect of everyone with a memory longer than a goldfish.
He should take the disease excuse and jump.
But he won't. Not until his claws are prised from the precious.
In the end, somebody somewhere is going to have to pay for the explosion of interventionism we have seen in recent months. Big time. Enormous time.
There will have to either be huge spending cuts or huge tax rises. Possibly both. We just can't live like this. There is no new normal.
I'd rather have tax cuts.
I'd rather have Scarlett Johansson but we must endure.
Another indication of how hard it is to emerge from lockdown:
Israel’s public health director has quit amid a spike in new coronavirus cases, saying the country had been too hasty to reopen its economy and had lost its way in dealing with the pandemic.
Reuters reports that Siegal Sadetzki, an epidemiologist, announced her resignation a day after Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s cabinet reimposed a series of restrictions, including the closure of bars, gyms and event halls.
After a national lockdown in April, Israel flattened the coronavirus infection curve in May to about 20 new cases a day.
But since the reopening of schools and many businesses two months ago, the number of cases has soared, reaching more than 1,000 a day last week. The Health Ministry said it expected the number of patients on ventilators - now 32 - to reach 2,000.
Short term flitting about will have short (and increasingly shorter) results whilst long term losing the respect of everyone with a memory longer than a goldfish.
He should take the disease excuse and jump.
But he won't. Not until his claws are prised from the precious.
In the end, somebody somewhere is going to have to pay for the explosion of interventionism we have seen in recent months. Big time. Enormous time.
There will have to either be huge spending cuts or huge tax rises. Possibly both. We just can't live like this. There is no new normal.
I'd rather have tax cuts.
You'll probably get them, in the short term. The tax increases and spending cuts will follow later.
Short term flitting about will have short (and increasingly shorter) results whilst long term losing the respect of everyone with a memory longer than a goldfish.
He should take the disease excuse and jump.
But he won't. Not until his claws are prised from the precious.
In the end, somebody somewhere is going to have to pay for the explosion of interventionism we have seen in recent months. Big time. Enormous time.
There will have to either be huge spending cuts or huge tax rises. Possibly both. We just can't live like this. There is no new normal.
I'd rather have tax cuts.
Wouldn't we all. Seriously, who is going to pay? who is going to pay for it all? the untold billions sunak is spending to try to keep Johnson in everyone's good books?
Another indication of how hard it is to emerge from lockdown:
Israel’s public health director has quit amid a spike in new coronavirus cases, saying the country had been too hasty to reopen its economy and had lost its way in dealing with the pandemic.
Reuters reports that Siegal Sadetzki, an epidemiologist, announced her resignation a day after Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s cabinet reimposed a series of restrictions, including the closure of bars, gyms and event halls.
After a national lockdown in April, Israel flattened the coronavirus infection curve in May to about 20 new cases a day.
But since the reopening of schools and many businesses two months ago, the number of cases has soared, reaching more than 1,000 a day last week. The Health Ministry said it expected the number of patients on ventilators - now 32 - to reach 2,000.
Short term flitting about will have short (and increasingly shorter) results whilst long term losing the respect of everyone with a memory longer than a goldfish.
He should take the disease excuse and jump.
But he won't. Not until his claws are prised from the precious.
In the end, somebody somewhere is going to have to pay for the explosion of interventionism we have seen in recent months. Big time. Enormous time.
There will have to either be huge spending cuts or huge tax rises. Possibly both. We just can't live like this. There is no new normal.
I'd rather have tax cuts.
Wouldn't we all. Seriously, who is going to pay? who is going to pay for it all? the untold billions sunak is spending to try to keep Johnson in everyone's good books?
Short term flitting about will have short (and increasingly shorter) results whilst long term losing the respect of everyone with a memory longer than a goldfish.
He should take the disease excuse and jump.
But he won't. Not until his claws are prised from the precious.
In the end, somebody somewhere is going to have to pay for the explosion of interventionism we have seen in recent months. Big time. Enormous time.
There will have to either be huge spending cuts or huge tax rises. Possibly both. We just can't live like this. There is no new normal.
I'd rather have tax cuts.
I'd rather have Scarlett Johansson but we must endure.
I'm serious though.
Cutting taxes will reduce the burden on the economy, saving the economy from more severe damage and thus allowing more tax receipts in the future. It's the Laffer Curve but stretched over time.
If a marathon runner has a heart attack they aren't advised to get straight on the road and run another marathon the next day they need rehabilitation and recovery and then down the line can withhold the pressure of a marathon once more.
The country has just endured a metaphorical economic heart attack. It needs recovery now not the pressure of taxes.
Honestly, I'd like to see how much he has taken out of his company over the last decade and then compare it to how much was spent on infectious disease planning. These owners are basically all shysters and troughers.
Do you have that attitude for all sectors of business?
The only reason energy is expensive is that the owners of energy companies are all shysters and troughers?
Should we nationalise everything and become a Communist utopia in your eyes?
Well no, they all went to their shareholders for cash calls in the last few months. That's what shareholders are for. I'm taking issue with this idea that the government should take the blame for carehome owners not wanting to spend the money they needed to.
The government pays for care (or private individuals do) so if the costs for PPE goes up then the government needs to pay more and/or fees need to go up.
Again, at the beginning of the pandemic, we know that the NHS with the unlimited resources of government behind it was unable to access adequate PPE for a time. Care homes, however well managed (and both we and government knew that many aren't), quite clearly would be in a worse situation. To expect that Covid patients could safely be dumped on care homes was simply irresponsible.
I think it was the complete lack of testing before putting residents back in care homes that was the most irresponsible decision of this crisis. It should have been possible to test a few thousand people for the virus before sending them back, that no one in PHE thought to do it is another indictment of that organisation which has completely failed the country time and again. The original decision to free up bed space for expected incoming patients made sense, but the manner in which it was achieved gave the worst possible outcome.
I don't disagree with that. The failings of public health are not, of course, the sole responsibility of the current government. The decline in capacity began two decades ago, and problems were likely exacerbated by Lansley separating the service out from the rest of healthcare.
PHE is, of course, the organisation tasked with contagious disease surveillance and control, and it seems clear that they were significantly lacking in capacity, whether management, number and scale of public health laboratories, or sheer numbers of staff available for (eg) contact tracing.
As an aside, the Deputy CMO, whose performance during the pandemic appears lamentable, was formerly a regional director of PHE.
While the decision to empty the hospitals of the clinically well , but in need of care, population is now seen as an error, we also know far more today about asymptotic transmission than we did in March. Someone with no symptoms in hospital for say 5 days would have been seen as not in need of a test back then. Now we know different.
The guff about asymptomatic transmission, in this context, is pure deflection.
For a start, there were numerous papers recommending a 14 day quarantine period for travellers from areas with outbreaks, as early as January this year.* It's basic public health not to move people from an area of infection into a vulnerable community.
Moreover, if you look at the actual discharge guidance, there is no reference to asymptomatic individuals. And those discharge requirements were issued at the same time as Public Health England removed Covid-19's classification as a "High consequence infectious disease".
(*edit - and references to asymptomatic viral shedding back in February. The Japanese found around 40% of the cruise ship infected to be asymptomatic, and noted the risk that they could be infectious. The paper was published on February 11th.)
And this paper first posted online on February 18th:
The suggestion by No.10 that the possibility of asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic infections wasn't known about very early on indeed is simply insulting.
And this one the 28th February. The nature of this disease (or at the very least, the strong evidence of its nature) ought to have been reasonably obvious to any health professional closely involved.
Closed environments facilitate secondary transmission of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.28.20029272v2 To identify common features of cases with novel coronavirus disease (COVID-19) so as to better understand what factors promote secondary transmission including superspreading events. Methods: A total of 110 cases were examined among eleven clusters and sporadic cases, and investigated who acquired infection from whom. The clusters included four in Tokyo and one each in Aichi, Fukuoka, Hokkaido, Ishikawa, Kanagawa and Wakayama prefectures. The number of secondary cases generated by each primary case was calculated using contact tracing data. Results: Of the 110 cases examined, 27 (24.6%) were primary cases who generated secondary cases. The odds that a primary case transmitted COVID-19 in a closed environment was 18.7 times greater compared to an open-air environment (95% confidence interval [CI]: 6.0, 57.9). Conclusions: It is plausible that closed environments contribute to secondary transmission of COVID-19 and promote superspreading events. Our findings are also consistent with the declining incidence of COVID-19 cases in China, as gathering in closed environments was prohibited in the wake of the rapid spread of the disease.
All of this is fair enough, but we are looking back...
I'm sorry, but this entire discussion is in the context of a statement by the PM, looking back. Bottom line is that he needn't have made such a comment in the first place.
I get that this government has a phobia of ever admitting mistakes; that is one thing. To regularly imply that someone else is responsible for its mistakes quite another.
Short term flitting about will have short (and increasingly shorter) results whilst long term losing the respect of everyone with a memory longer than a goldfish.
He should take the disease excuse and jump.
But he won't. Not until his claws are prised from the precious.
In the end, somebody somewhere is going to have to pay for the explosion of interventionism we have seen in recent months. Big time. Enormous time.
There will have to either be huge spending cuts or huge tax rises. Possibly both. We just can't live like this. There is no new normal.
I'd rather have tax cuts.
Wouldn't we all. Seriously, who is going to pay? who is going to pay for it all? the untold billions sunak is spending to try to keep Johnson in everyone's good books?
We'll all pay.
Absolutely. And when we do, where will Johnson and Sunak be in the popularity stakes?
Short term flitting about will have short (and increasingly shorter) results whilst long term losing the respect of everyone with a memory longer than a goldfish.
He should take the disease excuse and jump.
But he won't. Not until his claws are prised from the precious.
In the end, somebody somewhere is going to have to pay for the explosion of interventionism we have seen in recent months. Big time. Enormous time.
There will have to either be huge spending cuts or huge tax rises. Possibly both. We just can't live like this. There is no new normal.
I'd rather have tax cuts.
Wouldn't we all. Seriously, who is going to pay? who is going to pay for it all? the untold billions sunak is spending to try to keep Johnson in everyone's good books?
Nobody.
We are printing money and what we are borrowing is at effectively 0% interest. It's not going to be paid back and there's no interest on it either.
In the future the budget will need balancing again but for now saving the economy is the priority not taxes.
Another indication of how hard it is to emerge from lockdown:
Israel’s public health director has quit amid a spike in new coronavirus cases, saying the country had been too hasty to reopen its economy and had lost its way in dealing with the pandemic.
Reuters reports that Siegal Sadetzki, an epidemiologist, announced her resignation a day after Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s cabinet reimposed a series of restrictions, including the closure of bars, gyms and event halls.
After a national lockdown in April, Israel flattened the coronavirus infection curve in May to about 20 new cases a day.
But since the reopening of schools and many businesses two months ago, the number of cases has soared, reaching more than 1,000 a day last week. The Health Ministry said it expected the number of patients on ventilators - now 32 - to reach 2,000.
Covid-19 doesn't care about Gov't spin, it judges authority by action.
Yep. Extremely careful and well-coordinated measures are required to emerge from lockdown safely, with a really good test-'n'-trace operation, prompt and well-organised reaction to any outbreaks, consistent and well-delivered messaging, and good trust by the public in the government. I can't say I'm massively optimistic either for the UK or the US.
Pop quiz contrarian: If Sunak borrows £300bn from the Bank of England at 0.00% interest per annum then how much taxes do we spend on servicing the interest on that? How much capital repayments will we make?
Short term flitting about will have short (and increasingly shorter) results whilst long term losing the respect of everyone with a memory longer than a goldfish.
He should take the disease excuse and jump.
But he won't. Not until his claws are prised from the precious.
In the end, somebody somewhere is going to have to pay for the explosion of interventionism we have seen in recent months. Big time. Enormous time.
There will have to either be huge spending cuts or huge tax rises. Possibly both. We just can't live like this. There is no new normal.
I'd rather have tax cuts.
I'd rather have Scarlett Johansson but we must endure.
I'm serious though.
Cutting taxes will reduce the burden on the economy, saving the economy from more severe damage and thus allowing more tax receipts in the future. It's the Laffer Curve but stretched over time.
If a marathon runner has a heart attack they aren't advised to get straight on the road and run another marathon the next day they need rehabilitation and recovery and then down the line can withhold the pressure of a marathon once more.
The country has just endured a metaphorical economic heart attack. It needs recovery now not the pressure of taxes.
Our current problem isn't the burden of taxes - it's the lack of demand. That and the fact that some sectors are still closed as a matter of policy.
Another indication of how hard it is to emerge from lockdown:
Israel’s public health director has quit amid a spike in new coronavirus cases, saying the country had been too hasty to reopen its economy and had lost its way in dealing with the pandemic.
Reuters reports that Siegal Sadetzki, an epidemiologist, announced her resignation a day after Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s cabinet reimposed a series of restrictions, including the closure of bars, gyms and event halls.
After a national lockdown in April, Israel flattened the coronavirus infection curve in May to about 20 new cases a day.
But since the reopening of schools and many businesses two months ago, the number of cases has soared, reaching more than 1,000 a day last week. The Health Ministry said it expected the number of patients on ventilators - now 32 - to reach 2,000.
Covid-19 doesn't care about Gov't spin, it judges authority by action.
Yep. Extremely careful and well-coordinated measures are required to emerge from lockdown safely, with a really good test-'n'-trace operation, prompt and well-organised reaction to any outbreaks, consistent and well-delivered messaging, and good trust by the public in the government. I can't say I'm massively optimistic either for the UK or the US.
Yes, there are enough causes for concern with the UK but the you really wonder where and how it all ends for the US. Unless it changes direction radically or gets very lucky it hard to estimate just how bad the tally could get. 250,000 deaths? I don't think that's unrealistic on current trends.
Short term flitting about will have short (and increasingly shorter) results whilst long term losing the respect of everyone with a memory longer than a goldfish.
He should take the disease excuse and jump.
But he won't. Not until his claws are prised from the precious.
In the end, somebody somewhere is going to have to pay for the explosion of interventionism we have seen in recent months. Big time. Enormous time.
There will have to either be huge spending cuts or huge tax rises. Possibly both. We just can't live like this. There is no new normal.
I'd rather have tax cuts.
I'd rather have Scarlett Johansson but we must endure.
I'm serious though.
Cutting taxes will reduce the burden on the economy, saving the economy from more severe damage and thus allowing more tax receipts in the future. It's the Laffer Curve but stretched over time.
If a marathon runner has a heart attack they aren't advised to get straight on the road and run another marathon the next day they need rehabilitation and recovery and then down the line can withhold the pressure of a marathon once more.
The country has just endured a metaphorical economic heart attack. It needs recovery now not the pressure of taxes.
Our current problem isn't the burden of taxes - it's the lack of demand. That and the fact that some sectors are still closed as a matter of policy.
Business taxes are a burden to businesses. Certain taxes should be looked at. My top 3:
Cutting employers NI (literally a tax on jobs) could make sense to encourage recruitment
Cutting VAT could allow companies a healthier bottom line to cope with lower demand.
Finally NNDR is a major burden to the high street that online retailers don't pay ... It has been abolished this year I have long suggested here it should be abolished altogether. Replace it with a tax that covers trade equitably rather than punishing businesses with a physical presence.
Another indication of how hard it is to emerge from lockdown:
Israel’s public health director has quit amid a spike in new coronavirus cases, saying the country had been too hasty to reopen its economy and had lost its way in dealing with the pandemic.
Reuters reports that Siegal Sadetzki, an epidemiologist, announced her resignation a day after Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s cabinet reimposed a series of restrictions, including the closure of bars, gyms and event halls.
After a national lockdown in April, Israel flattened the coronavirus infection curve in May to about 20 new cases a day.
But since the reopening of schools and many businesses two months ago, the number of cases has soared, reaching more than 1,000 a day last week. The Health Ministry said it expected the number of patients on ventilators - now 32 - to reach 2,000.
Covid-19 doesn't care about Gov't spin, it judges authority by action.
Yep. Extremely careful and well-coordinated measures are required to emerge from lockdown safely, with a really good test-'n'-trace operation, prompt and well-organised reaction to any outbreaks, consistent and well-delivered messaging, and good trust by the public in the government. I can't say I'm massively optimistic either for the UK or the US.
If we could reduce the severity of coronavirus to that of flu, we wouldn't need those things.
Another indication of how hard it is to emerge from lockdown:
Israel’s public health director has quit amid a spike in new coronavirus cases, saying the country had been too hasty to reopen its economy and had lost its way in dealing with the pandemic.
Reuters reports that Siegal Sadetzki, an epidemiologist, announced her resignation a day after Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s cabinet reimposed a series of restrictions, including the closure of bars, gyms and event halls.
After a national lockdown in April, Israel flattened the coronavirus infection curve in May to about 20 new cases a day.
But since the reopening of schools and many businesses two months ago, the number of cases has soared, reaching more than 1,000 a day last week. The Health Ministry said it expected the number of patients on ventilators - now 32 - to reach 2,000.
It's more difficult for the countries who have little to no immunity. Countries like Israel and Australia closed down completely and now they will struggle to reopen without massive outbreaks. Countries like the UK and Italy had huge initial outbreaks and have the ability to be much more flexible with the economy. Ultimately, it looks like every country will have to take some level of death if they want to open up the economy to some semblance of normality. I think a few months from now the government's lack of strategy might not look so awful as parts of Europe having to keep closing everything down because of spikes in virus cases whole the likes of the UK or Italy keep everything pretty much as it is now.
Another indication of how hard it is to emerge from lockdown:
Israel’s public health director has quit amid a spike in new coronavirus cases, saying the country had been too hasty to reopen its economy and had lost its way in dealing with the pandemic.
Reuters reports that Siegal Sadetzki, an epidemiologist, announced her resignation a day after Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s cabinet reimposed a series of restrictions, including the closure of bars, gyms and event halls.
After a national lockdown in April, Israel flattened the coronavirus infection curve in May to about 20 new cases a day.
But since the reopening of schools and many businesses two months ago, the number of cases has soared, reaching more than 1,000 a day last week. The Health Ministry said it expected the number of patients on ventilators - now 32 - to reach 2,000.
There is a theory as to why some countries/regions are getting rebounds in cases, whereas others, behaving identically, are not.
Take two as an example. Israel and Denmark.
They are both affluent, advanced countries. They have similar sized populations and similar population density. Both have good health care. Both flattened the curve early, then did unlockdown
Israel reported 522 new cases today.
Denmark reported.... 10.
So what's happening? The theory is that it's aircon.
Israel is a hot country in summer and it's often much more comfortable to be inside during the heat of the day. Down in the south - Eilat, the Negev it is unbearable and you HAVE to get inside for aircon.
Denmark has cool summers like ours, they barely need aircon. Few places use it.
Aircon is probably spreading this. Aircon explains (in part) the surge in the southern USA as the weather has really warmed up.
Pop quiz contrarian: If Sunak borrows £300bn from the Bank of England at 0.00% interest per annum then how much taxes do we spend on servicing the interest on that? How much capital repayments will we make?
Look I know the maths. I know that in some circumstances the government can even get away with negative rates. And I know the principal won't have to be repaid for 30 years or more.
But as ever with taking on mountains of extra debt, there are big risks.
Another indication of how hard it is to emerge from lockdown:
Israel’s public health director has quit amid a spike in new coronavirus cases, saying the country had been too hasty to reopen its economy and had lost its way in dealing with the pandemic.
Reuters reports that Siegal Sadetzki, an epidemiologist, announced her resignation a day after Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s cabinet reimposed a series of restrictions, including the closure of bars, gyms and event halls.
After a national lockdown in April, Israel flattened the coronavirus infection curve in May to about 20 new cases a day.
But since the reopening of schools and many businesses two months ago, the number of cases has soared, reaching more than 1,000 a day last week. The Health Ministry said it expected the number of patients on ventilators - now 32 - to reach 2,000.
Covid-19 doesn't care about Gov't spin, it judges authority by action.
Yep. Extremely careful and well-coordinated measures are required to emerge from lockdown safely, with a really good test-'n'-trace operation, prompt and well-organised reaction to any outbreaks, consistent and well-delivered messaging, and good trust by the public in the government. I can't say I'm massively optimistic either for the UK or the US.
If we could reduce the severity of coronavirus to that of flu, we wouldn't need those things.
You do realise we have a flu vaccine that we give the vulnerable don't you?
I just don't see how that's remotely possible without the economy being set back 20 years. It's sad that no one is challenging this bullshit. They put these releases out and people just seem to accept it as something that is true.
Another indication of how hard it is to emerge from lockdown:
Israel’s public health director has quit amid a spike in new coronavirus cases, saying the country had been too hasty to reopen its economy and had lost its way in dealing with the pandemic.
Reuters reports that Siegal Sadetzki, an epidemiologist, announced her resignation a day after Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s cabinet reimposed a series of restrictions, including the closure of bars, gyms and event halls.
After a national lockdown in April, Israel flattened the coronavirus infection curve in May to about 20 new cases a day.
But since the reopening of schools and many businesses two months ago, the number of cases has soared, reaching more than 1,000 a day last week. The Health Ministry said it expected the number of patients on ventilators - now 32 - to reach 2,000.
Covid-19 doesn't care about Gov't spin, it judges authority by action.
Yep. Extremely careful and well-coordinated measures are required to emerge from lockdown safely, with a really good test-'n'-trace operation, prompt and well-organised reaction to any outbreaks, consistent and well-delivered messaging, and good trust by the public in the government. I can't say I'm massively optimistic either for the UK or the US.
If we could reduce the severity of coronavirus to that of flu, we wouldn't need those things.
It seems fundamentally much nastier than the flu even if your risk of dieing is similiar if you're broadly young and healthy.
Another indication of how hard it is to emerge from lockdown:
Israel’s public health director has quit amid a spike in new coronavirus cases, saying the country had been too hasty to reopen its economy and had lost its way in dealing with the pandemic.
Reuters reports that Siegal Sadetzki, an epidemiologist, announced her resignation a day after Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s cabinet reimposed a series of restrictions, including the closure of bars, gyms and event halls.
After a national lockdown in April, Israel flattened the coronavirus infection curve in May to about 20 new cases a day.
But since the reopening of schools and many businesses two months ago, the number of cases has soared, reaching more than 1,000 a day last week. The Health Ministry said it expected the number of patients on ventilators - now 32 - to reach 2,000.
It's more difficult for the countries who have little to no immunity. Countries like Israel and Australia closed down completely and now they will struggle to reopen without massive outbreaks. Countries like the UK and Italy had huge initial outbreaks and have the ability to be much more flexible with the economy. Ultimately, it looks like every country will have to take some level of death if they want to open up the economy to some semblance of normality. I think a few months from now the government's lack of strategy might not look so awful as parts of Europe having to keep closing everything down because of spikes in virus cases whole the likes of the UK or Italy keep everything pretty much as it is now.
The government had a strategy. SAGE were warming against a premature lockdown precisely because of this effect afterwards.
If it turns out that countries that locked down prematurely end up suffering more then that would be a massive vindication for the SAGE scientists.
Short term flitting about will have short (and increasingly shorter) results whilst long term losing the respect of everyone with a memory longer than a goldfish.
He should take the disease excuse and jump.
But he won't. Not until his claws are prised from the precious.
In the end, somebody somewhere is going to have to pay for the explosion of interventionism we have seen in recent months. Big time. Enormous time.
There will have to either be huge spending cuts or huge tax rises. Possibly both. We just can't live like this. There is no new normal.
I'd rather have tax cuts.
Wouldn't we all. Seriously, who is going to pay? who is going to pay for it all? the untold billions sunak is spending to try to keep Johnson in everyone's good books?
Nobody.
We are printing money and what we are borrowing is at effectively 0% interest. It's not going to be paid back and there's no interest on it either.
In the future the budget will need balancing again but for now saving the economy is the priority not taxes.
Another indication of how hard it is to emerge from lockdown:
Israel’s public health director has quit amid a spike in new coronavirus cases, saying the country had been too hasty to reopen its economy and had lost its way in dealing with the pandemic.
Reuters reports that Siegal Sadetzki, an epidemiologist, announced her resignation a day after Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s cabinet reimposed a series of restrictions, including the closure of bars, gyms and event halls.
After a national lockdown in April, Israel flattened the coronavirus infection curve in May to about 20 new cases a day.
But since the reopening of schools and many businesses two months ago, the number of cases has soared, reaching more than 1,000 a day last week. The Health Ministry said it expected the number of patients on ventilators - now 32 - to reach 2,000.
Covid-19 doesn't care about Gov't spin, it judges authority by action.
Yep. Extremely careful and well-coordinated measures are required to emerge from lockdown safely, with a really good test-'n'-trace operation, prompt and well-organised reaction to any outbreaks, consistent and well-delivered messaging, and good trust by the public in the government. I can't say I'm massively optimistic either for the UK or the US.
Yes, there are enough causes for concern with the UK but the you really wonder where and how it all ends for the US. Unless it changes direction radically or gets very lucky it hard to estimate just how bad the tally could get. 250,000 deaths? I don't think that's unrealistic on current trends.
I saw one doc on Twitter who reckoned 600-700,000 American dead was a reasonable worst case scenario
However, he was ignoring the fact that treatments are already much better.
Unless the health systems are overwhelmed I believe America will perhaps suffer about 175,000 deaths. Maybe fewer than that
Short term flitting about will have short (and increasingly shorter) results whilst long term losing the respect of everyone with a memory longer than a goldfish.
He should take the disease excuse and jump.
But he won't. Not until his claws are prised from the precious.
In the end, somebody somewhere is going to have to pay for the explosion of interventionism we have seen in recent months. Big time. Enormous time.
There will have to either be huge spending cuts or huge tax rises. Possibly both. We just can't live like this. There is no new normal.
I'd rather have tax cuts.
Wouldn't we all. Seriously, who is going to pay? who is going to pay for it all? the untold billions sunak is spending to try to keep Johnson in everyone's good books?
Nobody.
We are printing money and what we are borrowing is at effectively 0% interest. It's not going to be paid back and there's no interest on it either.
In the future the budget will need balancing again but for now saving the economy is the priority not taxes.
FREE MONEY!
Yay us!
Indeed. We are very fortunate that Osborne and co fixed the roof while the sun was shining. ☀️
Another indication of how hard it is to emerge from lockdown:
Israel’s public health director has quit amid a spike in new coronavirus cases, saying the country had been too hasty to reopen its economy and had lost its way in dealing with the pandemic.
Reuters reports that Siegal Sadetzki, an epidemiologist, announced her resignation a day after Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s cabinet reimposed a series of restrictions, including the closure of bars, gyms and event halls.
After a national lockdown in April, Israel flattened the coronavirus infection curve in May to about 20 new cases a day.
But since the reopening of schools and many businesses two months ago, the number of cases has soared, reaching more than 1,000 a day last week. The Health Ministry said it expected the number of patients on ventilators - now 32 - to reach 2,000.
Covid-19 doesn't care about Gov't spin, it judges authority by action.
Yep. Extremely careful and well-coordinated measures are required to emerge from lockdown safely, with a really good test-'n'-trace operation, prompt and well-organised reaction to any outbreaks, consistent and well-delivered messaging, and good trust by the public in the government. I can't say I'm massively optimistic either for the UK or the US.
If we could reduce the severity of coronavirus to that of flu, we wouldn't need those things.
It seems fundamentally much nastier than the flu even if your risk of dieing is similiar if you're broadly young and healthy.
I agree, it is much nastier, at the present time. However, I believe there is a lot more we could do, both in the treatment of coronavirus, and in general wellbeing (in the readiness of everyone's body to withstand coronavirus and other infections). The latter would also have a beneficial impact on rates of diabetes and a host of other chronic conditions, which, let's not forget, humans aren't meant to have either.
Another indication of how hard it is to emerge from lockdown:
Israel’s public health director has quit amid a spike in new coronavirus cases, saying the country had been too hasty to reopen its economy and had lost its way in dealing with the pandemic.
Reuters reports that Siegal Sadetzki, an epidemiologist, announced her resignation a day after Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s cabinet reimposed a series of restrictions, including the closure of bars, gyms and event halls.
After a national lockdown in April, Israel flattened the coronavirus infection curve in May to about 20 new cases a day.
But since the reopening of schools and many businesses two months ago, the number of cases has soared, reaching more than 1,000 a day last week. The Health Ministry said it expected the number of patients on ventilators - now 32 - to reach 2,000.
There is a theory as to why some countries/regions are getting rebounds in cases, whereas others, behaving identically, are not.
Take two as an example. Israel and Denmark.
They are both affluent, advanced countries. They have similar sized populations and similar population density. Both have good health care. Both flattened the curve early, then did unlockdown
Israel reported 522 new cases today.
Denmark reported.... 10.
So what's happening? The theory is that it's aircon.
Israel is a hot country in summer and it's often much more comfortable to be inside during the heat of the day. Down in the south - Eilat, the Negev it is unbearable and you HAVE to get inside for aircon.
Denmark has cool summers like ours, they barely need aircon. Few places use it.
Aircon is probably spreading this. Aircon explains (in part) the surge in the southern USA as the weather has really warmed up.
Everywhere I've been with aircon, it's always been on 24-7. Even when I've questioned whether it's needed. I think people in places where it's widespread simply have an expectation that a shop should be 19 C whenever they step inside, even if it's 19 C outside the aircon will still be going. Now might be impractical in say Arizona heatwave to turn it off but if it's below 30 outside is it really needed.
Keeping the aircon on (And on fiercely too) is a religion that doesn't seem to be examined too deeply elsewhere in the world. It's also atrocious for climate change as an aside. People lived happily before it was invented.
Fortunately we've never really had it or had much of a need for it in the UK.
Another indication of how hard it is to emerge from lockdown:
Israel’s public health director has quit amid a spike in new coronavirus cases, saying the country had been too hasty to reopen its economy and had lost its way in dealing with the pandemic.
Reuters reports that Siegal Sadetzki, an epidemiologist, announced her resignation a day after Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s cabinet reimposed a series of restrictions, including the closure of bars, gyms and event halls.
After a national lockdown in April, Israel flattened the coronavirus infection curve in May to about 20 new cases a day.
But since the reopening of schools and many businesses two months ago, the number of cases has soared, reaching more than 1,000 a day last week. The Health Ministry said it expected the number of patients on ventilators - now 32 - to reach 2,000.
There is a theory as to why some countries/regions are getting rebounds in cases, whereas others, behaving identically, are not.
Take two as an example. Israel and Denmark.
They are both affluent, advanced countries. They have similar sized populations and similar population density. Both have good health care. Both flattened the curve early, then did unlockdown
Israel reported 522 new cases today.
Denmark reported.... 10.
So what's happening? The theory is that it's aircon.
Israel is a hot country in summer and it's often much more comfortable to be inside during the heat of the day. Down in the south - Eilat, the Negev it is unbearable and you HAVE to get inside for aircon.
Denmark has cool summers like ours, they barely need aircon. Few places use it.
Aircon is probably spreading this. Aircon explains (in part) the surge in the southern USA as the weather has really warmed up.
Everywhere I've been with aircon, it's always been on 24-7. Even when I've questioned whether it's needed. I think people in places where it's widespread simply have an expectation that a shop should be 19 C whenever they step inside, even if it's 19 C outside the aircon will still be going. Now might be impractical in say Arizona heatwave to turn it off but if it's below 30 outside is it really needed.
Keeping the aircon on (And on fiercely too) is a religion that doesn't seem to be examined too deeply elsewhere in the world. It's also atrocious for climate change as an aside. People lived happily before it was invented.
Fortunately we've never really had it or had much of a need for it in the UK.
It's full blast in every taxi cab in hot countries too.
I just don't see how that's remotely possible without the economy being set back 20 years. It's sad that no one is challenging this bullshit. They put these releases out and people just seem to accept it as something that is true.
The worst is Devi Sridhar who advises Sturgeon.
I love the way they write:
Elimination Reduction to zero new infections spread among people living in a country and the presence of the measures necessary to prevent or deal with imported cases and associated spread from new arrivals (e.g. New Zealand).
Without spelling out what that would entail:
Entry to New Zealand The New Zealand border is currently closed to almost all arrivals.
Another indication of how hard it is to emerge from lockdown:
Israel’s public health director has quit amid a spike in new coronavirus cases, saying the country had been too hasty to reopen its economy and had lost its way in dealing with the pandemic.
Reuters reports that Siegal Sadetzki, an epidemiologist, announced her resignation a day after Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s cabinet reimposed a series of restrictions, including the closure of bars, gyms and event halls.
After a national lockdown in April, Israel flattened the coronavirus infection curve in May to about 20 new cases a day.
But since the reopening of schools and many businesses two months ago, the number of cases has soared, reaching more than 1,000 a day last week. The Health Ministry said it expected the number of patients on ventilators - now 32 - to reach 2,000.
Covid-19 doesn't care about Gov't spin, it judges authority by action.
Yep. Extremely careful and well-coordinated measures are required to emerge from lockdown safely, with a really good test-'n'-trace operation, prompt and well-organised reaction to any outbreaks, consistent and well-delivered messaging, and good trust by the public in the government. I can't say I'm massively optimistic either for the UK or the US.
Yes, there are enough causes for concern with the UK but the you really wonder where and how it all ends for the US. Unless it changes direction radically or gets very lucky it hard to estimate just how bad the tally could get. 250,000 deaths? I don't think that's unrealistic on current trends.
I saw one doc on Twitter who reckoned 600-700,000 American dead was a reasonable worst case scenario
However, he was ignoring the fact that treatments are already much better.
Unless the health systems are overwhelmed I believe America will perhaps suffer about 175,000 deaths. Maybe fewer than that
Would like to think so, LG, but we're at 133,000 already and there's no sign of the number of cases abating. The lag factor would suggest deaths will accelerate soon, so your prediction would be a hell of a good result from here.
I just don't see how that's remotely possible without the economy being set back 20 years. It's sad that no one is challenging this bullshit. They put these releases out and people just seem to accept it as something that is true.
I cannot get over the clearly intended possibility for misleading people through the group's name. It indicates a motivation for confusion with the other body, which undermines recommendations they themselves might make which may or may not be good.
Apparently the problem with Starkey's dropped bollock was down to a comprehension problem. I'm guessing it isn't his own comprehension he's talking about.
'The historian said the “misunderstanding of my words in no way reflects my views or practice on race”.'
Not dissimilar to the way we poor oiks have misunderstood “Too many care homes didn’t really follow the procedures”. We really need to up our game.
Johnson was defended by Alok Sharma this morning on the grounds that "there weren't any procedures" therefore he - Johnson - was not criticizing care home staff who had "done brilliantly".
Those Johnson comments again - "care homes did not always follow the procedures."
This is gaslighting but so as not to cause @TOPPING a brain-ache let's call it what it also is - trolling. Trolling care home workers. Trolling anybody with a care for integrity and competence in government.
We need another election asap imo. The country has made a clear and grievous error. We deserve a chance to rectify matters before too much damage is done.
The grievous error was that Labour decided to put up a not-so-crypto-Marxist as its candidate for the premiership because he tickled their funny bone and promised to make their wildest confiscatory fantasies come true. Just like said fantasies, they imagined that decision would be without cost. Well, it wasn't - the cost is half a decade in the wilderness watching the other side make all the decisions. And if Labour decide to go overboard on wealth taxes and wokeness, it'll be another five years after that, until they finally get the message...
This - the Con win was because of Corbyn - has become a self-serving trope for people. A comfort blanket.
"Get Brexit Done" was potent and the "Boris" brand had real appeal to the Leave voters he needed in swing seats in the North and the Midlands. I heard the vox pops and the focus groups. There is no question about this.
With a moderate Labour leader the margin would have been less than 80 but the Cons would still have won. It wasn't all about Corbyn. He was key but Brexit was also key and so was "Boris". Give the guy (and Cummings for the messaging) some credit.
As for you, you seem to be content with a government sans vision or integrity or competence, whose only objective in power is to flaunt the fact they have power and to rile opponents. Fair enough. I want you to be happy. But it does strike me as rather hollow.
Flaunting power and riling opponents is naturally fun, but my contentment with them comes largely from viewing what their job is from a different perspective. In general - global pandemics are obviously an exception - I want the government not to do or change things if possible, whereas your default is the opposite. Every tradition that remains intact, every institution that is not 'modernised' or subjected to 'progress', every tax that is not raised is a victory as far as I'm concerned, and yet to you it will appear that the government is doing nothing. It's not - it's conserving.
I guess this is why you were a Remainer.
As it happens I think this government is all mouth and no trousers so you may get your wish of little or no radical change.
Another indication of how hard it is to emerge from lockdown:
Israel’s public health director has quit amid a spike in new coronavirus cases, saying the country had been too hasty to reopen its economy and had lost its way in dealing with the pandemic.
Reuters reports that Siegal Sadetzki, an epidemiologist, announced her resignation a day after Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s cabinet reimposed a series of restrictions, including the closure of bars, gyms and event halls.
After a national lockdown in April, Israel flattened the coronavirus infection curve in May to about 20 new cases a day.
But since the reopening of schools and many businesses two months ago, the number of cases has soared, reaching more than 1,000 a day last week. The Health Ministry said it expected the number of patients on ventilators - now 32 - to reach 2,000.
There is a theory as to why some countries/regions are getting rebounds in cases, whereas others, behaving identically, are not.
Take two as an example. Israel and Denmark.
They are both affluent, advanced countries. They have similar sized populations and similar population density. Both have good health care. Both flattened the curve early, then did unlockdown
Israel reported 522 new cases today.
Denmark reported.... 10.
So what's happening? The theory is that it's aircon.
Israel is a hot country in summer and it's often much more comfortable to be inside during the heat of the day. Down in the south - Eilat, the Negev it is unbearable and you HAVE to get inside for aircon.
Denmark has cool summers like ours, they barely need aircon. Few places use it.
Aircon is probably spreading this. Aircon explains (in part) the surge in the southern USA as the weather has really warmed up.
Was a theory of @Luckyguy1983 – a known crank on many issues but certainly right in his laudable views on food quality and welfare and probably right on this matter.
Another indication of how hard it is to emerge from lockdown:
Israel’s public health director has quit amid a spike in new coronavirus cases, saying the country had been too hasty to reopen its economy and had lost its way in dealing with the pandemic.
Reuters reports that Siegal Sadetzki, an epidemiologist, announced her resignation a day after Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s cabinet reimposed a series of restrictions, including the closure of bars, gyms and event halls.
After a national lockdown in April, Israel flattened the coronavirus infection curve in May to about 20 new cases a day.
But since the reopening of schools and many businesses two months ago, the number of cases has soared, reaching more than 1,000 a day last week. The Health Ministry said it expected the number of patients on ventilators - now 32 - to reach 2,000.
Covid-19 doesn't care about Gov't spin, it judges authority by action.
Yep. Extremely careful and well-coordinated measures are required to emerge from lockdown safely, with a really good test-'n'-trace operation, prompt and well-organised reaction to any outbreaks, consistent and well-delivered messaging, and good trust by the public in the government. I can't say I'm massively optimistic either for the UK or the US.
Yes, there are enough causes for concern with the UK but the you really wonder where and how it all ends for the US. Unless it changes direction radically or gets very lucky it hard to estimate just how bad the tally could get. 250,000 deaths? I don't think that's unrealistic on current trends.
I saw one doc on Twitter who reckoned 600-700,000 American dead was a reasonable worst case scenario
However, he was ignoring the fact that treatments are already much better.
Unless the health systems are overwhelmed I believe America will perhaps suffer about 175,000 deaths. Maybe fewer than that
Would like to think so, LG, but we're at 133,000 already and there's no sign of the number of cases abating. The lag factor would suggest deaths will accelerate soon, so your prediction would be a hell of a good result from here.
Deaths appear to be falling even when controlling for the lag.
Another indication of how hard it is to emerge from lockdown:
Israel’s public health director has quit amid a spike in new coronavirus cases, saying the country had been too hasty to reopen its economy and had lost its way in dealing with the pandemic.
Reuters reports that Siegal Sadetzki, an epidemiologist, announced her resignation a day after Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s cabinet reimposed a series of restrictions, including the closure of bars, gyms and event halls.
After a national lockdown in April, Israel flattened the coronavirus infection curve in May to about 20 new cases a day.
But since the reopening of schools and many businesses two months ago, the number of cases has soared, reaching more than 1,000 a day last week. The Health Ministry said it expected the number of patients on ventilators - now 32 - to reach 2,000.
There is a theory as to why some countries/regions are getting rebounds in cases, whereas others, behaving identically, are not.
Take two as an example. Israel and Denmark.
They are both affluent, advanced countries. They have similar sized populations and similar population density. Both have good health care. Both flattened the curve early, then did unlockdown
Israel reported 522 new cases today.
Denmark reported.... 10.
So what's happening? The theory is that it's aircon.
Israel is a hot country in summer and it's often much more comfortable to be inside during the heat of the day. Down in the south - Eilat, the Negev it is unbearable and you HAVE to get inside for aircon.
Denmark has cool summers like ours, they barely need aircon. Few places use it.
Aircon is probably spreading this. Aircon explains (in part) the surge in the southern USA as the weather has really warmed up.
Was a theory of @Luckyguy1983 – a known crank on many issues but certainly right in his laudable views on food quality and welfare and probably right on this matter.
Was this site mostly pro or anti Brexit during the referendum?
By IQ? Overwhelmingly Remain.
Hmm, RCS1000 doesn't exactly have a low IQ...
A blind spot.
The biggest of which, common to many Leavers on here, was "this is not what I voted for/thought was going to happen/the action of any kind of sane government".
Then you have the @Richard_Tyndalls and @isams and @Casino_Royales of this world for whom any flavour of out is better than any flavour of in although don't mention EEA/EFTA or you'll have them fighting like cats in a sack.
That’s not true, I would happily have voted remain if they stopped FOM.
I’d say there wouldn’t have been a referendum, UKIP wouldn’t have got 12.5% in a GE and nobody would have heard of Nigel Farage had Blair handled A8 accession more carefully. No one cared about the EU before it had a tangible effect on their everyday life
So you could have lived with the ECJ interfering with our bananas?
Yeah. I can live with FOM too, I just don’t think it’s fair on people who it affects negatively, and I have more time for their grievances than for those who are on an earner from it
Seriously, which people? Which people were negatively affected by FOM?
People who had to compete for jobs, wages, school places, housing and doctors appointments with the immigrants
Always makes me laugh. "I'm not racist, but I don't like all these bloody foreigners". Of course when pushed most of the foreigners they don't like are black and asian so leaving the EU will do sod all about it. But not racist, not at all.
Was this site mostly pro or anti Brexit during the referendum?
By IQ? Overwhelmingly Remain.
Hmm, RCS1000 doesn't exactly have a low IQ...
A blind spot.
The biggest of which, common to many Leavers on here, was "this is not what I voted for/thought was going to happen/the action of any kind of sane government".
Then you have the @Richard_Tyndalls and @isams and @Casino_Royales of this world for whom any flavour of out is better than any flavour of in although don't mention EEA/EFTA or you'll have them fighting like cats in a sack.
That’s not true, I would happily have voted remain if they stopped FOM.
I’d say there wouldn’t have been a referendum, UKIP wouldn’t have got 12.5% in a GE and nobody would have heard of Nigel Farage had Blair handled A8 accession more carefully. No one cared about the EU before it had a tangible effect on their everyday life
So you could have lived with the ECJ interfering with our bananas?
Yeah. I can live with FOM too, I just don’t think it’s fair on people who it affects negatively, and I have more time for their grievances than for those who are on an earner from it
Seriously, which people? Which people were negatively affected by FOM?
People who had to compete for jobs, wages, school places, housing and doctors appointments with the immigrants
Always makes me laugh. "I'm not racist, but I don't like all these bloody foreigners". Of course when pushed most of the foreigners they don't like are black and asian so leaving the EU will do sod all about it. But not racist, not at all.
Call people names if it makes you fell better
I asked two hours ago what evidence there was. The answer is just vague anecdotes about people who are competing for jobs, as well as supposed criminality of EU migrants.
No evidence has been produced to show that EU migrants lowered wages, in fact it seems that migrants actually increase native wages because they allow the natives to move up the career ladder.
The data also showed that EU migrants had much lower dependence on benefits than the native population, and I daresay had much lower propensity to criminal activity as well.
Migrants probably put more pressure on “services”, especially in a period of austerity. But that could/should be dealt with separately.
Now, as someone upthread points out, we have the same level of migration but they are non-EU.
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Israel’s public health director has quit amid a spike in new coronavirus cases, saying the country had been too hasty to reopen its economy and had lost its way in dealing with the pandemic.
Reuters reports that Siegal Sadetzki, an epidemiologist, announced her resignation a day after Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s cabinet reimposed a series of restrictions, including the closure of bars, gyms and event halls.
After a national lockdown in April, Israel flattened the coronavirus infection curve in May to about 20 new cases a day.
But since the reopening of schools and many businesses two months ago, the number of cases has soared, reaching more than 1,000 a day last week. The Health Ministry said it expected the number of patients on ventilators - now 32 - to reach 2,000.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/jul/07/coronavirus-live-news-boris-johnson-accuses-care-homes-over-deaths-as-us-cases-near-3m
Cutting taxes will reduce the burden on the economy, saving the economy from more severe damage and thus allowing more tax receipts in the future. It's the Laffer Curve but stretched over time.
If a marathon runner has a heart attack they aren't advised to get straight on the road and run another marathon the next day they need rehabilitation and recovery and then down the line can withhold the pressure of a marathon once more.
The country has just endured a metaphorical economic heart attack. It needs recovery now not the pressure of taxes.
Bottom line is that he needn't have made such a comment in the first place.
I get that this government has a phobia of ever admitting mistakes; that is one thing. To regularly imply that someone else is responsible for its mistakes quite another.
"Fernando Alonso to return to Formula 1 with Renault in 2021"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/53325412
We are printing money and what we are borrowing is at effectively 0% interest. It's not going to be paid back and there's no interest on it either.
In the future the budget will need balancing again but for now saving the economy is the priority not taxes.
That and the fact that some sectors are still closed as a matter of policy.
https://twitter.com/devisridhar/status/1280497839999721472?s=20
Cutting employers NI (literally a tax on jobs) could make sense to encourage recruitment
Cutting VAT could allow companies a healthier bottom line to cope with lower demand.
Finally NNDR is a major burden to the high street that online retailers don't pay ... It has been abolished this year I have long suggested here it should be abolished altogether. Replace it with a tax that covers trade equitably rather than punishing businesses with a physical presence.
Take two as an example. Israel and Denmark.
They are both affluent, advanced countries. They have similar sized populations and similar population density. Both have good health care. Both flattened the curve early, then did unlockdown
Israel reported 522 new cases today.
Denmark reported.... 10.
So what's happening? The theory is that it's aircon.
Israel is a hot country in summer and it's often much more comfortable to be inside during the heat of the day. Down in the south - Eilat, the Negev it is unbearable and you HAVE to get inside for aircon.
Denmark has cool summers like ours, they barely need aircon. Few places use it.
Aircon is probably spreading this. Aircon explains (in part) the surge in the southern USA as the weather has really warmed up.
But as ever with taking on mountains of extra debt, there are big risks.
If it turns out that countries that locked down prematurely end up suffering more then that would be a massive vindication for the SAGE scientists.
Yay us!
I saw one doc on Twitter who reckoned 600-700,000 American dead was a reasonable worst case scenario
However, he was ignoring the fact that treatments are already much better.
Unless the health systems are overwhelmed I believe America will perhaps suffer about 175,000 deaths. Maybe fewer than that
NEW THREAD
Keeping the aircon on (And on fiercely too) is a religion that doesn't seem to be examined too deeply elsewhere in the world. It's also atrocious for climate change as an aside. People lived happily before it was invented.
Fortunately we've never really had it or had much of a need for it in the UK.
I love the way they write:
Elimination
Reduction to zero new infections spread among people living in a country and the presence of the measures necessary to prevent or deal with imported cases and associated spread from new arrivals (e.g. New Zealand).
Without spelling out what that would entail:
Entry to New Zealand
The New Zealand border is currently closed to almost all arrivals.
https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/new-zealand/entry-requirements
The New Zealand border closed on the 19th of March - 110 days ago.
If they are recommending that they should spell it out.
Hmmmm but everyone says hoover, not vacuum cleaner, think the difference has been lost now
As it happens I think this government is all mouth and no trousers so you may get your wish of little or no radical change.
Oh wait...
No evidence has been produced to show that EU migrants lowered wages, in fact it seems that migrants actually increase native wages because they allow the natives to move up the career ladder.
The data also showed that EU migrants had much lower dependence on benefits than the native population, and I daresay had much lower propensity to criminal activity as well.
Migrants probably put more pressure on “services”, especially in a period of austerity. But that could/should be dealt with separately.
Now, as someone upthread points out, we have the same level of migration but they are non-EU.