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edited June 2020 in General

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So many WH2020 polls are coming out at the moment but virtually all are showing the same big picture – Biden with double digit leads.

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    squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,339
    Premier.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,359
    Lock him up.
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    nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    Second but no prize for that I’ll just revfecommend The Last Jew in Spain as an excellent read if interested in that period of history.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,011
    Ftp.
    Floater said:

    I've actually a certain amount of sympathy for the Scottish Government in this situation. The prevalence of the disease in Scotland is lower than that in England and they are clearly worried about reinfection.

    The UK Government has already decided that taking a cricket bat to various businesses in Leicester is a price worth paying in the fight against the disease. Scotland is, of course, to a very great degree internally autonomous, including in most matters to do with public health; therefore, if the Scottish Government thinks that doing likewise to its tourist sector is a price worth paying for the greater good, then why not let it do so?
    Are they going to close the borders to anyone else or just the UK?

    How many borders do you think Scotland has?
    The only one I can think of is with the country that has the worst Corona numbers in Europe, but if you can suggest any others...
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,126

    Lock him up.

    Do they serve McDonalds in Federal penitentiaries?
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961

    Ftp.

    Floater said:

    I've actually a certain amount of sympathy for the Scottish Government in this situation. The prevalence of the disease in Scotland is lower than that in England and they are clearly worried about reinfection.

    The UK Government has already decided that taking a cricket bat to various businesses in Leicester is a price worth paying in the fight against the disease. Scotland is, of course, to a very great degree internally autonomous, including in most matters to do with public health; therefore, if the Scottish Government thinks that doing likewise to its tourist sector is a price worth paying for the greater good, then why not let it do so?
    Are they going to close the borders to anyone else or just the UK?

    How many borders do you think Scotland has?
    The only one I can think of is with the country that has the worst Corona numbers in Europe, but if you can suggest any others...
    Flights, boats?
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,011
    RobD said:

    Ftp.

    Floater said:

    I've actually a certain amount of sympathy for the Scottish Government in this situation. The prevalence of the disease in Scotland is lower than that in England and they are clearly worried about reinfection.

    The UK Government has already decided that taking a cricket bat to various businesses in Leicester is a price worth paying in the fight against the disease. Scotland is, of course, to a very great degree internally autonomous, including in most matters to do with public health; therefore, if the Scottish Government thinks that doing likewise to its tourist sector is a price worth paying for the greater good, then why not let it do so?
    Are they going to close the borders to anyone else or just the UK?

    How many borders do you think Scotland has?
    The only one I can think of is with the country that has the worst Corona numbers in Europe, but if you can suggest any others...
    Flights, boats?
    That's Priti's remit.
    Like the care of asylum seekers.
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    LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 15,151
    Lots in that poll to cheer Democrats, but I can't help but wonder at the lead that Trump still has on the economy. That's remarkable in the circumstances and provides a basis for thinking that a Trump victory is still plausible.
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    stodgestodge Posts: 12,841
    FPT

    Thought I'd try and track down the crosstabs on the USA Today/Suffolk Poll which showed Biden leading Trump 53-41.

    https://www.suffolk.edu/-/media/suffolk/documents/academics/research-at-suffolk/suprc/polls/national/2020/7_1_2020_xtabs_pdftxt.pdf?la=en&hash=B623A987214F1686CE192F921495863B05A02473

    The gender split explains the lead - among men it's tied at 47 but among women Biden leads 59-35, a colossal 24-point advantage.

    The geographical split shows Biden winning the North East 58-37 and the West 59-37. Trump wins the South 52-41 but incredibly (and completely contrary to the PBS-Marist poll at the weekend), Biden is winning the Midwest 61-32.

    Yes, I know...

    The White vote is split 49-48 in Trump's favour which would be a 12% swing on 2016.

    I can't quite believe some of these big Biden leads - the Midwest sample looks a massive outlier which would throw out the White vote poll sample as well.
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    Defeated by new thread...

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:
    You know, all that infrastructure investment is terribly expensive, and the Government is going to need to raise large sums of money to finance it ... why hello there, Channel 4 - how nice to see you... :smiley:
    Channel 4 is long overdue privatisation.

    Once the Civil Service is reformed and the BBC is privatised that should be next.
    Why smash statues when trashing our cultural bandwidth is so much more profitable?
    Well The BBC is long overdue for a serious kick in the pants. I refuse to listen to its anti anyone who does not fit woke detailing. its getting serious. Fuck the licence fee.. let those who want to listen to that sort of shite pay.
    There are others to listen to including the aforementioned Times Radio.

    If they get rid of BBC4 .. what is left worth watching?
    FWIW there would actually be no problem in it ditching BBC4, if they turned BBC2 back into what was originally intended - i.e. something very closely resembling BBC4. That would allow them to consolidate all the content into one channel and reduce the need to fill scheduled TV with repeats.

    Simply corral all the lifestyle stuff - cookery, gardening, interiors - into the two hours from 6 til 8 during the week, and then from 8pm onwards it's BBC4. All eminently doable if they kill off Newsnight or stick it out of the way on the rolling news channel.
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    brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    edited June 2020
    FPT

    https://twitter.com/pewresearch/status/1278033125889708033
    And the for/against pattern still strong.
    https://twitter.com/pewresearch/status/1278027489621745667
    Interesting regarding who is changing opinion. IMO this likely means the change is mostly occuring in places that already are Democrat.
    https://twitter.com/pewresearch/status/1278056226136391681
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,182
    edited June 2020
    stodge said:

    FPT

    Thought I'd try and track down the crosstabs on the USA Today/Suffolk Poll which showed Biden leading Trump 53-41.

    https://www.suffolk.edu/-/media/suffolk/documents/academics/research-at-suffolk/suprc/polls/national/2020/7_1_2020_xtabs_pdftxt.pdf?la=en&hash=B623A987214F1686CE192F921495863B05A02473

    The gender split explains the lead - among men it's tied at 47 but among women Biden leads 59-35, a colossal 24-point advantage.

    The geographical split shows Biden winning the North East 58-37 and the West 59-37. Trump wins the South 52-41 but incredibly (and completely contrary to the PBS-Marist poll at the weekend), Biden is winning the Midwest 61-32.

    Yes, I know...

    The White vote is split 49-48 in Trump's favour which would be a 12% swing on 2016.

    I can't quite believe some of these big Biden leads - the Midwest sample looks a massive outlier which would throw out the White vote poll sample as well.

    Thanks. I 'aint counting no chickens.

    Just watched the final episode of the Hillary documentary. They thought they had won on the morning of the election.
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    FF43FF43 Posts: 15,709

    Lots in that poll to cheer Democrats, but I can't help but wonder at the lead that Trump still has on the economy. That's remarkable in the circumstances and provides a basis for thinking that a Trump victory is still plausible.

    I suppose if the choice is presented as death or the economy with Trump on the side of death, he does catch the breaks on the economy side of that trade-off*.

    * Personally would suggest a suppressed virus is good for the economy as well as people's health, but not everyone sees it that way.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,717
    Not a huge Republican lead among the elderly.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    The Lincoln Project represents nearly a tenth of Republicans, impressive.

    Any decent GOPer should vote Biden. No ifs, no buts.
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    SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,547
    FPT

    NYT recently had story comparing 13 possible Biden VP running mates. Yours truly rated them re: experience (good & bad), home state (battleground or not), progressiveism (in balancing Uncle Joe), diversity (Black or Latina a plus) and "other" for factors not included above.

    For example, as to experience, gave US senators & governors points, but not congresswoman or mayors; in case of Susan Rice, I deducted a point because while her experience as NSA and UN Ambassador is significant, think bring up Libya, Syria and foreign policy in general is NOT.

    When I added up the points, my top 3 choices ended up being

    >> Stacey Abrams (GA US Senate candidate 2018) - low on experience (state legislature) but ran good US Senate race; from battleground state; very popular with progressives, Black which will hep with turnout, also an excellent speaker and debater

    >> Michelle Lujan Grisham (NM Governor) - only been Gov a year but good marks so far; from battleground state, popular with progressives, only Latina under consideration (it appears) which helps in number of key state; westerner to balance out easterner Biden (note that New NM is WAY more "western" in cultural sense than Cali)

    >> Tammy Duckworth (IL US Senator) - Iraq War veteran helicopter pilot who lost her legs after being shot down in combat; reasonably popular (with a few caveats) with progressives, only Asian American under consideration (her mother Thai, her father White American); gets under Trumpsky's skin

    Checking around, but looks like I've lost Joe's number, and he's not called me in while (like never). SO maybe some eagle-eyed Biden staffer will see these words of wisdom and convey to Uncle Joe? Though personally am AOK with whomever he chooses - even Ivanka!
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,578
    Scott_xP said:
    A new broom sweeps clean. Nice one Keir!
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,878
    Foxy said:

    A new broom sweeps clean. Nice one Keir!

    https://twitter.com/mocent0/status/1278071720855953408
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,182
    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:
    A new broom sweeps clean. Nice one Keir!
    I thought he went weeks ago. Why has he been allowed to hang around?
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,182
    Scott_xP said:
    What's the book?

    'How to lose an election'

    or

    'Twenty reasons why Imperialist America is behind everything that is wrong in the world'
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    SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,547
    kle4 said:

    Not a huge Republican lead among the elderly.

    They are age group hardest hit by COVID-19. And they are NOT happy with Trumpsky, whose "leadership" has caused more American deaths than Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush 1, Clinton, Bush 2 and Obama combined.

    MAGA was a slogan tailor-made for these these folks. Who by definition (age 65+) were born before 1955 and achieved voting age before 1973. In short, baby-boomers. Few directly impacted by Great Depression, some by WW2, more by Vietnam War, Watergate & 1970s energy crisis.

    Health care is a BIG deal for these voters. And they do NOT like being put in harms way by breakdown of our technically top-noch but functionally anarchic health care "system" under the watch of our Fearless Leader.

    Oh, and did I forget to mention - they VOTE.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,636

    The Lincoln Project represents nearly a tenth of Republicans, impressive.

    How do you know that?

    (I am not doubting you, just interested to know what 'represents' means here.)

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    StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Regarding that PB thread a couple of days ago on Ladbrokes new next cabinet minister to leave market: it’s still absent from Ladbrokes website. Has Shadsy changed his mind? PBers were not exactly impressed.
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    SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,547
    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:
    A new broom sweeps clean. Nice one Keir!
    Dustbin of history is too good for Garden Nome's Mini Me.
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    squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,339
    edited June 2020

    Defeated by new thread...

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:
    You know, all that infrastructure investment is terribly expensive, and the Government is going to need to raise large sums of money to finance it ... why hello there, Channel 4 - how nice to see you... :smiley:
    Channel 4 is long overdue privatisation.

    Once the Civil Service is reformed and the BBC is privatised that should be next.
    Why smash statues when trashing our cultural bandwidth is so much more profitable?
    Well The BBC is long overdue for a serious kick in the pants. I refuse to listen to its anti anyone who does not fit woke detailing. its getting serious. Fuck the licence fee.. let those who want to listen to that sort of shite pay.
    There are others to listen to including the aforementioned Times Radio.

    If they get rid of BBC4 .. what is left worth watching?
    FWIW there would actually be no problem in it ditching BBC4, if they turned BBC2 back into what was originally intended - i.e. something very closely resembling BBC4. That would allow them to consolidate all the content into one channel and reduce the need to fill scheduled TV with repeats.

    Simply corral all the lifestyle stuff - cookery, gardening, interiors - into the two hours from 6 til 8 during the week, and then from 8pm onwards it's BBC4. All eminently doable if they kill off Newsnight or stick it out of the way on the rolling news channel.
    Those are the sorts of programmes that need killing off. Question Time, Newsnight. anything with John Humphreys on it past or present ;)
    (I know its woke, its very 1984 really)..... BBC news, BBC breakfast anything woke. Sack half of the BBC hangers on, and then get rid of the license fee. Let "Wokenders" types pay for the shite the BBC dishes up.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    The Lincoln Project represents nearly a tenth of Republicans, impressive.

    How do you know that?

    (I am not doubting you, just interested to know what 'represents' means here.)

    Not literally. The Lincoln Project is the name for a group of Republicans campaigning against Trump and planning to vote for Biden because Trump goes against what the Republicans should be for. Better a Democrat than Trump for those Republicans.

    In the poll in the OP 9% of Republicans/Lean Republicans are planning to vote for Biden. Hence my "nearly a tenth" remark.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,636

    The Lincoln Project represents nearly a tenth of Republicans, impressive.

    How do you know that?

    (I am not doubting you, just interested to know what 'represents' means here.)

    Not literally. The Lincoln Project is the name for a group of Republicans campaigning against Trump and planning to vote for Biden because Trump goes against what the Republicans should be for. Better a Democrat than Trump for those Republicans.

    In the poll in the OP 9% of Republicans/Lean Republicans are planning to vote for Biden. Hence my "nearly a tenth" remark.
    Ah right, makes sense - thanks.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,011
    Does anyone genuinely think BJ looks in good health? Fit as a Wuhan butcher's dog maybe.

    https://twitter.com/ropoem/status/1278041946070618113?s=20
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    squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,339

    Defeated by new thread...

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:
    You know, all that infrastructure investment is terribly expensive, and the Government is going to need to raise large sums of money to finance it ... why hello there, Channel 4 - how nice to see you... :smiley:
    Channel 4 is long overdue privatisation.

    Once the Civil Service is reformed and the BBC is privatised that should be next.
    Why smash statues when trashing our cultural bandwidth is so much more profitable?
    Well The BBC is long overdue for a serious kick in the pants. I refuse to listen to its anti anyone who does not fit woke detailing. its getting serious. Fuck the licence fee.. let those who want to listen to that sort of shite pay.
    There are others to listen to including the aforementioned Times Radio.

    If they get rid of BBC4 .. what is left worth watching?
    FWIW there would actually be no problem in it ditching BBC4, if they turned BBC2 back into what was originally intended - i.e. something very closely resembling BBC4. That would allow them to consolidate all the content into one channel and reduce the need to fill scheduled TV with repeats.

    Simply corral all the lifestyle stuff - cookery, gardening, interiors - into the two hours from 6 til 8 during the week, and then from 8pm onwards it's BBC4. All eminently doable if they kill off Newsnight or stick it out of the way on the rolling news channel.
    Those are the sorts of programmes that need killing off. Question Time, Newsnight. anything with John Humphreys on it past or present ;)
    (I know its woke, its very 1984 really)..... BBC news, BBC breakfast anything woke. Sack half of the BBC hangers on, and then get rid of the license fee. Let "Wokenders" types pay for the shite the BBC dishes up.
    (I shall not miss it when the license fee =goes as it must.. there is Times Radio and many other news outlets.. Why, with free choice you could read "The Canary" if you wanted to....
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    RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Posts: 1,157
    edited June 2020
    Not sure if this was mentioned earlier, but...
    https://twitter.com/siennamarla/status/1278006468038529024
    Surely, this means SKS is pretty much guaranteed to still have majority on the NEC regardless of whatever the results of the forthcoming CLP NEC elections are?
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,636

    Defeated by new thread...

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:
    You know, all that infrastructure investment is terribly expensive, and the Government is going to need to raise large sums of money to finance it ... why hello there, Channel 4 - how nice to see you... :smiley:
    Channel 4 is long overdue privatisation.

    Once the Civil Service is reformed and the BBC is privatised that should be next.
    Why smash statues when trashing our cultural bandwidth is so much more profitable?
    Well The BBC is long overdue for a serious kick in the pants. I refuse to listen to its anti anyone who does not fit woke detailing. its getting serious. Fuck the licence fee.. let those who want to listen to that sort of shite pay.
    There are others to listen to including the aforementioned Times Radio.

    If they get rid of BBC4 .. what is left worth watching?
    FWIW there would actually be no problem in it ditching BBC4, if they turned BBC2 back into what was originally intended - i.e. something very closely resembling BBC4. That would allow them to consolidate all the content into one channel and reduce the need to fill scheduled TV with repeats.

    Simply corral all the lifestyle stuff - cookery, gardening, interiors - into the two hours from 6 til 8 during the week, and then from 8pm onwards it's BBC4. All eminently doable if they kill off Newsnight or stick it out of the way on the rolling news channel.
    Those are the sorts of programmes that need killing off. Question Time, Newsnight. anything with John Humphreys on it past or present ;)
    (I know its woke, its very 1984 really)..... BBC news, BBC breakfast anything woke. Sack half of the BBC hangers on, and then get rid of the license fee. Let "Wokenders" types pay for the shite the BBC dishes up.
    Feeling better for that? :wink:
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    LadyGLadyG Posts: 2,221
    God I hope not. Let him be gone.

    Drowsy Joe Biden would have a much much harder time against almost anyone else. Give America a proper choice. Maybe someone without mental health issues. I mean, there must be SOMEONE
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    squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,339

    Defeated by new thread...

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:
    You know, all that infrastructure investment is terribly expensive, and the Government is going to need to raise large sums of money to finance it ... why hello there, Channel 4 - how nice to see you... :smiley:
    Channel 4 is long overdue privatisation.

    Once the Civil Service is reformed and the BBC is privatised that should be next.
    Why smash statues when trashing our cultural bandwidth is so much more profitable?
    Well The BBC is long overdue for a serious kick in the pants. I refuse to listen to its anti anyone who does not fit woke detailing. its getting serious. Fuck the licence fee.. let those who want to listen to that sort of shite pay.
    There are others to listen to including the aforementioned Times Radio.

    If they get rid of BBC4 .. what is left worth watching?
    FWIW there would actually be no problem in it ditching BBC4, if they turned BBC2 back into what was originally intended - i.e. something very closely resembling BBC4. That would allow them to consolidate all the content into one channel and reduce the need to fill scheduled TV with repeats.

    Simply corral all the lifestyle stuff - cookery, gardening, interiors - into the two hours from 6 til 8 during the week, and then from 8pm onwards it's BBC4. All eminently doable if they kill off Newsnight or stick it out of the way on the rolling news channel.
    Those are the sorts of programmes that need killing off. Question Time, Newsnight. anything with John Humphreys on it past or present ;)
    (I know its woke, its very 1984 really)..... BBC news, BBC breakfast anything woke. Sack half of the BBC hangers on, and then get rid of the license fee. Let "Wokenders" types pay for the shite the BBC dishes up.
    Feeling better for that? :wink:
    immensely!!!
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Defeated by new thread...

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:
    You know, all that infrastructure investment is terribly expensive, and the Government is going to need to raise large sums of money to finance it ... why hello there, Channel 4 - how nice to see you... :smiley:
    Channel 4 is long overdue privatisation.

    Once the Civil Service is reformed and the BBC is privatised that should be next.
    Why smash statues when trashing our cultural bandwidth is so much more profitable?
    Well The BBC is long overdue for a serious kick in the pants. I refuse to listen to its anti anyone who does not fit woke detailing. its getting serious. Fuck the licence fee.. let those who want to listen to that sort of shite pay.
    There are others to listen to including the aforementioned Times Radio.

    If they get rid of BBC4 .. what is left worth watching?
    FWIW there would actually be no problem in it ditching BBC4, if they turned BBC2 back into what was originally intended - i.e. something very closely resembling BBC4. That would allow them to consolidate all the content into one channel and reduce the need to fill scheduled TV with repeats.

    Simply corral all the lifestyle stuff - cookery, gardening, interiors - into the two hours from 6 til 8 during the week, and then from 8pm onwards it's BBC4. All eminently doable if they kill off Newsnight or stick it out of the way on the rolling news channel.
    Those are the sorts of programmes that need killing off. Question Time, Newsnight. anything with John Humphreys on it past or present ;)
    (I know its woke, its very 1984 really)..... BBC news, BBC breakfast anything woke. Sack half of the BBC hangers on, and then get rid of the license fee. Let "Wokenders" types pay for the shite the BBC dishes up.
    (I shall not miss it when the license fee =goes as it must.. there is Times Radio and many other news outlets.. Why, with free choice you could read "The Canary" if you wanted to....
    That the telly tax pays for radio is a farce at the best of times.

    These are not the best of times. The BBC is becoming shit and should be liberated from the licence fee.
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    LadyGLadyG Posts: 2,221

    Does anyone genuinely think BJ looks in good health? Fit as a Wuhan butcher's dog maybe.

    https://twitter.com/ropoem/status/1278041946070618113?s=20

    Yes, he looks fine. Back to normal. He is a 56 year old guy with a newborn, who was recently in ICU, and he has to be prime minister too. I'm surprised he doesn't look WORSE
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    isamisam Posts: 40,911
    So first Keir Starmer and now the Premier League distance themselves from BLM.. and I'm the one "losing credibilty" for pointing out right from the beginning that they were far left cranks that people should avoid being associated with
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,878
    Did BoZo's relaunch make the front page of any papers tonight?

    https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/1278078660365475841
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    isam said:

    So first Keir Starmer and now the Premier League distance themselves from BLM.. and I'm the one "losing credibilty" for pointing out right from the beginning that they were far left cranks that people should avoid being associated with

    Yes. Get over it already, you look as obsessed as a Remainer banging on about the bus.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,182
    Scott_xP said:
    Nottingham, Loughborough, Coventry, maybe Brum will be next if they don't also lock Leicester station to only absolutely essential travel. Otherwise the bevy crew will be on those trains next saturday.
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    eristdooferistdoof Posts: 4,887
    The most important line in that infographic is Battleground states Biden 52 Trump 46. If that split persists, Trump will loose easily.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,011
    LadyG said:

    Does anyone genuinely think BJ looks in good health? Fit as a Wuhan butcher's dog maybe.

    https://twitter.com/ropoem/status/1278041946070618113?s=20

    Yes, he looks fine. Back to normal. He is a 56 year old guy with a newborn, who was recently in ICU, and he has to be prime minister too. I'm surprised he doesn't look WORSE
    Something of the look of a floater picked up 4 days after the Titanic went down for me, but perceptions differ..
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,182
    Scott_xP said:
    Not sure 'invite' is the right verb there.

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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    eristdoof said:

    The most important line in that infographic is Battleground states Biden 52 Trump 46. If that split persists, Trump will loose easily.

    Which states are "Battleground"?
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    isamisam Posts: 40,911
    CHAZ doesn't seem so great - murder, rape etc etc

    https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1277950640862294016?s=20
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    eristdooferistdoof Posts: 4,887

    eristdoof said:

    The most important line in that infographic is Battleground states Biden 52 Trump 46. If that split persists, Trump will loose easily.

    Which states are "Battleground"?
    Obviously not Alaska and California.
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    SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,547
    LadyG said:

    God I hope not. Let him be gone.

    Drowsy Joe Biden would have a much much harder time against almost anyone else. Give America a proper choice. Maybe someone without mental health issues. I mean, there must be SOMEONE
    Believe you & others are underestimating Uncle Joe based on a few lackluster performances early this year. And even during 2020 nomination campaign, he rose to the occasion when he really had to, most notably just prior to SC primary.

    In 2008 he held his own against Sarah Palin, which was NOT as easy as it might seem in retrospect. And in 2012 he bested Paul Ryan (remember him?)

    My favorite though was his extended debate with Robert Bork. He let the learned jurist take plenty enough rope to hang himself with - then yanked his head off for him
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,258

    LadyG said:

    Does anyone genuinely think BJ looks in good health? Fit as a Wuhan butcher's dog maybe.

    https://twitter.com/ropoem/status/1278041946070618113?s=20

    Yes, he looks fine. Back to normal. He is a 56 year old guy with a newborn, who was recently in ICU, and he has to be prime minister too. I'm surprised he doesn't look WORSE
    Something of the look of a floater picked up 4 days after the Titanic went down for me, but perceptions differ..
    If you had been to the official Titanic Museum and attended the graves of the lost, including a child, in Nova Scotia you may not be so flippant
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    eristdooferistdoof Posts: 4,887
    eristdoof said:

    eristdoof said:

    The most important line in that infographic is Battleground states Biden 52 Trump 46. If that split persists, Trump will loose easily.

    Which states are "Battleground"?
    Obviously not Alaska and California.
    Az, Fl,Mi, NC, Pa and Wi
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    SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,547
    LadyG said:

    Does anyone genuinely think BJ looks in good health? Fit as a Wuhan butcher's dog maybe.

    https://twitter.com/ropoem/status/1278041946070618113?s=20

    Yes, he looks fine. Back to normal. He is a 56 year old guy with a newborn, who was recently in ICU, and he has to be prime minister too. I'm surprised he doesn't look WORSE
    Only his hairdresser (or is it his gardener?) knows for sure!
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    YokesYokes Posts: 1,200
    Forget the chat about the economy in the US election, this is going to come down to likeability or more, precisely a lack of dislikeability.

    Biden will do sunny side up stuff and people generally don't hate him. Trump has the dislikeability in spades with way too many people.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,258
    Scott_xP said:
    In little over one hour we move to confirmation of no further extension and deal or no deal
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    MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    I looked at the data for the USA Today survey that came out today with a +12 Biden lead. One very noticeable feature was that it looks like they have done is massively overweight the number of those with a Bachelors and higher degree in the survey and massively underweighted those without a high school degree. So from what I make out, the survey has 24% of respondents with High School or Less vs. 40% in the 2018 census bureau data, and have 42% of respondents with a Bachelor or higher degree vs 32% in the census data.

    So no wonder it gives the Democrats such a big lead.

    This is why I have don;t have a huge amount of belief in the polls. It is increasingly evident that educational attainment is a key driver of whether someone will vote for Trump or Biden. If the polls are skewing their respondents to those with degrees and away from those that don't, it is not representing the true demographic split
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,011

    LadyG said:

    Does anyone genuinely think BJ looks in good health? Fit as a Wuhan butcher's dog maybe.

    https://twitter.com/ropoem/status/1278041946070618113?s=20

    Yes, he looks fine. Back to normal. He is a 56 year old guy with a newborn, who was recently in ICU, and he has to be prime minister too. I'm surprised he doesn't look WORSE
    Something of the look of a floater picked up 4 days after the Titanic went down for me, but perceptions differ..
    If you had been to the official Titanic Museum and attended the graves of the lost, including a child, in Nova Scotia you may not be so flippant
    I haven't so at least I've managed to escape that excuse for piousness.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,578

    Scott_xP said:
    Nottingham, Loughborough, Coventry, maybe Brum will be next if they don't also lock Leicester station to only absolutely essential travel. Otherwise the bevy crew will be on those trains next saturday.
    Nah. The communities that the disease is persisting in are not big drinkers.
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    dodradedodrade Posts: 595
    Much more likely than people think, better to do an LBJ, retire "undefeated" and perhaps get Pence to pardon him rather than be a "one term loser" like Carter.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,578
    Could I just take a moment to proclaim that I am top of the PB FF league? It may not last...
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    SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,547
    isam said:

    CHAZ doesn't seem so great - murder, rape etc etc

    https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1277950640862294016?s=20

    You are behind the times, buddy, CHAZ is now CHOP.

    And IMHO the CHOPers are Putinist puppets (conscious or not) producing extended Re-Elect Trump commerial.

    My left-wing friends (way to left of yours truly) are fed up with their antics. Seems they are obvious to fact they are responsible for several death. What, we're responsible? YES - when you make a point of keep the cops out but do nothing to police the place yourselves. They MADE themselves responsible.

    Should be noticed that the incredible incompetence of SPD and their ham-handed use of pepper-spray & wis-bangs against PEACEFUL demonstrators - not the anarchists who took advantage of the situation - was root cause for CHOP creation. Because the fuzz drove protesters out of downtown and up to Capitol Hill.

    IF you thinking I'm just bashing police, note that one of my sources of info is fellow who was in the city's emergency command post, his desk right next to cops on the phone ordering . . . wait for it . . . more gas & bombs.

    This guy also went out on the streets. At one point there were a small group of older Black men in front of police lines exhorting the protesters. Cops assumed they were stirring the crowd up - when in actual fact they were trying to cool them down. However, the forces of order simply were NOT listening.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,258

    LadyG said:

    Does anyone genuinely think BJ looks in good health? Fit as a Wuhan butcher's dog maybe.

    https://twitter.com/ropoem/status/1278041946070618113?s=20

    Yes, he looks fine. Back to normal. He is a 56 year old guy with a newborn, who was recently in ICU, and he has to be prime minister too. I'm surprised he doesn't look WORSE
    Something of the look of a floater picked up 4 days after the Titanic went down for me, but perceptions differ..
    If you had been to the official Titanic Museum and attended the graves of the lost, including a child, in Nova Scotia you may not be so flippant
    I haven't so at least I've managed to escape that excuse for piousness.
    The word you are looking for is respect
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    isamisam Posts: 40,911
    Foxy said:

    Could I just take a moment to proclaim that I am top of the PB FF league? It may not last...

    Here is the bloke top of a league I am 27th in


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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,162
    I will be SO pissed off if he does. The big loss at the polls is needed. It's important.
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    SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,547
    Scott_xP said:
    Bog Roll Bandits - another killer name for a rock band!
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,636
    MrEd said:

    I looked at the data for the USA Today survey that came out today with a +12 Biden lead. One very noticeable feature was that it looks like they have done is massively overweight the number of those with a Bachelors and higher degree in the survey and massively underweighted those without a high school degree. So from what I make out, the survey has 24% of respondents with High School or Less vs. 40% in the 2018 census bureau data, and have 42% of respondents with a Bachelor or higher degree vs 32% in the census data.

    So no wonder it gives the Democrats such a big lead.

    This is why I have don;t have a huge amount of belief in the polls. It is increasingly evident that educational attainment is a key driver of whether someone will vote for Trump or Biden. If the polls are skewing their respondents to those with degrees and away from those that don't, it is not representing the true demographic split

    538 rates Suffolk University polling as 'A'. That's good enough for me.
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    SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,547

    MrEd said:

    I looked at the data for the USA Today survey that came out today with a +12 Biden lead. One very noticeable feature was that it looks like they have done is massively overweight the number of those with a Bachelors and higher degree in the survey and massively underweighted those without a high school degree. So from what I make out, the survey has 24% of respondents with High School or Less vs. 40% in the 2018 census bureau data, and have 42% of respondents with a Bachelor or higher degree vs 32% in the census data.

    So no wonder it gives the Democrats such a big lead.

    This is why I have don;t have a huge amount of belief in the polls. It is increasingly evident that educational attainment is a key driver of whether someone will vote for Trump or Biden. If the polls are skewing their respondents to those with degrees and away from those that don't, it is not representing the true demographic split

    538 rates Suffolk University polling as 'A'. That's good enough for me.
    Can you please define "massive" and on what basis you came to this conclusion?
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,052
    Only a few minutes until the Brexit transition extension deadline is officially gone.
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    MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578

    MrEd said:

    I looked at the data for the USA Today survey that came out today with a +12 Biden lead. One very noticeable feature was that it looks like they have done is massively overweight the number of those with a Bachelors and higher degree in the survey and massively underweighted those without a high school degree. So from what I make out, the survey has 24% of respondents with High School or Less vs. 40% in the 2018 census bureau data, and have 42% of respondents with a Bachelor or higher degree vs 32% in the census data.

    So no wonder it gives the Democrats such a big lead.

    This is why I have don;t have a huge amount of belief in the polls. It is increasingly evident that educational attainment is a key driver of whether someone will vote for Trump or Biden. If the polls are skewing their respondents to those with degrees and away from those that don't, it is not representing the true demographic split

    538 rates Suffolk University polling as 'A'. That's good enough for me.
    I think the results are good enough for you because it is what you want to hear.
    538 is not God and has been know to get it wrong before. Nate Silver's a*se covering about the 2016 election can't hide that fact
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,578
    isam said:

    Foxy said:

    Could I just take a moment to proclaim that I am top of the PB FF league? It may not last...

    Here is the bloke top of a league I am 27th in


    Impressive. I am on 1762.

    Only 4th in my work league though beating Fox Jr for the first time in years.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,717
    Scott_xP said:
    "We won the argument" A story of the most incredible and triumphant success for the Labour party.
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    LadyGLadyG Posts: 2,221
    Scott_xP said:
    Is this man alleging that there is a.... liar?? Quite high up in.... POLITICS????
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    FF43FF43 Posts: 15,709
    Regardless of who's publishing, this is worthwhile article on approaches to virus management. Devi Sridhar makes the point about local lockdowns is that they encourage people to flee the lockdown area and spread the virus to other places. I don't think the Leicester lockdown is being handled properly.

    https://www.thenational.scot/news/18550402.devi-sridhar-explains-what-scotland-got-right-covid-19-fight/
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,258
    Foxy said:

    Could I just take a moment to proclaim that I am top of the PB FF league? It may not last...

    Well done.

    Looks as if Leicester FC champions league place is coming under threat
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    brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352

    MrEd said:

    I looked at the data for the USA Today survey that came out today with a +12 Biden lead. One very noticeable feature was that it looks like they have done is massively overweight the number of those with a Bachelors and higher degree in the survey and massively underweighted those without a high school degree. So from what I make out, the survey has 24% of respondents with High School or Less vs. 40% in the 2018 census bureau data, and have 42% of respondents with a Bachelor or higher degree vs 32% in the census data.

    So no wonder it gives the Democrats such a big lead.

    This is why I have don;t have a huge amount of belief in the polls. It is increasingly evident that educational attainment is a key driver of whether someone will vote for Trump or Biden. If the polls are skewing their respondents to those with degrees and away from those that don't, it is not representing the true demographic split

    538 rates Suffolk University polling as 'A'. That's good enough for me.
    How did 538 do in 2016?
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    rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,908
    One of my big, if perhaps fanciful hopes, for this crisis was that we would reform the way drugs and vaccines research and development is funded.

    The news that Trump has essentially bought up all Remdesivir for the next 3 months, eloquently makes the case for compulsory licensing.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,258
    kinabalu said:

    I will be SO pissed off if he does. The big loss at the polls is needed. It's important.
    To be honest it is more important there is a better voice than Trump for the Republicans
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,162

    LadyG said:

    Does anyone genuinely think BJ looks in good health? Fit as a Wuhan butcher's dog maybe.

    https://twitter.com/ropoem/status/1278041946070618113?s=20

    Yes, he looks fine. Back to normal. He is a 56 year old guy with a newborn, who was recently in ICU, and he has to be prime minister too. I'm surprised he doesn't look WORSE
    Something of the look of a floater picked up 4 days after the Titanic went down for me, but perceptions differ..
    I'm afraid I'm getting Jimmy Savile again. Hadn't happened for a while but it's back with a vengeance.

    Not great.
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    MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    Except that the Republicans flipped a Democrat House seat in a heavily suburban area two months back and increased their 2016 vote in another heavily suburban seat last week.

    But you won't hear much about that in the Huffington Post
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,717
    edited June 2020

    LadyG said:

    Does anyone genuinely think BJ looks in good health? Fit as a Wuhan butcher's dog maybe.

    https://twitter.com/ropoem/status/1278041946070618113?s=20

    Yes, he looks fine. Back to normal. He is a 56 year old guy with a newborn, who was recently in ICU, and he has to be prime minister too. I'm surprised he doesn't look WORSE
    Something of the look of a floater picked up 4 days after the Titanic went down for me, but perceptions differ..
    If you had been to the official Titanic Museum and attended the graves of the lost, including a child, in Nova Scotia you may not be so flippant
    You seem to often have a difficulty with the concept of black humour. It's a thing, particularly with things that happened a long time ago.

    It won't be for everyone, I didn't think it was that funny (though I think theuniondivvie is possibly the funniest poster on here) but as much as I'm not averse to a bit of sanctimony myself, there's little need for it just because a joke is dark.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,578
    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    Foxy said:

    Could I just take a moment to proclaim that I am top of the PB FF league? It may not last...

    Here is the bloke top of a league I am 27th in


    Impressive. I am on 1762.

    Only 4th in my work league though beating Fox Jr for the first time in years.
    I am 432 331 in the overall league
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,538
    Who'd be the GOP candidate if he does drop out?
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    LadyGLadyG Posts: 2,221
    edited June 2020
    1,200 deaths, so far today, in Brazil. It's not getting better


    And a notable 58 deaths in Florida, so far, today. Deaths are possibly beginning to follow the rise in cases
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    SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,547
    This is suburban Louisville district. Winner came close last election, won special election thanks to Trump-accelerated trend among better educated, more affluent voters in Bluegrass State and across the United States.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,601

    Only a few minutes until the Brexit transition extension deadline is officially gone.

    It's gone.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,011
    edited June 2020
    kinabalu said:

    LadyG said:

    Does anyone genuinely think BJ looks in good health? Fit as a Wuhan butcher's dog maybe.

    https://twitter.com/ropoem/status/1278041946070618113?s=20

    Yes, he looks fine. Back to normal. He is a 56 year old guy with a newborn, who was recently in ICU, and he has to be prime minister too. I'm surprised he doesn't look WORSE
    Something of the look of a floater picked up 4 days after the Titanic went down for me, but perceptions differ..
    I'm afraid I'm getting Jimmy Savile again. Hadn't happened for a while but it's back with a vengeance.

    Not great.
    Christ, yes.
    Fat Jimmy Savile, the stuff of nightmares.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,578
    kinabalu said:

    LadyG said:

    Does anyone genuinely think BJ looks in good health? Fit as a Wuhan butcher's dog maybe.

    https://twitter.com/ropoem/status/1278041946070618113?s=20

    Yes, he looks fine. Back to normal. He is a 56 year old guy with a newborn, who was recently in ICU, and he has to be prime minister too. I'm surprised he doesn't look WORSE
    Something of the look of a floater picked up 4 days after the Titanic went down for me, but perceptions differ..
    I'm afraid I'm getting Jimmy Savile again. Hadn't happened for a while but it's back with a vengeance.

    Not great.
    yes, I see the resemblance now.

    Dear Jim, can you fix it for me to drive a digger through a wall of boxes?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,717
    Scott_xP said:
    He really does think he is some kind of groovy guru, doesn't he?
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    rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,908

    kinabalu said:

    I will be SO pissed off if he does. The big loss at the polls is needed. It's important.
    To be honest it is more important there is a better voice than Trump for the Republicans
    If I were a republican, I'd wait for 2024.
    Running with Trump sniping from sidelines, on the back of a raging pandemic... No thanks.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,258
    kle4 said:

    LadyG said:

    Does anyone genuinely think BJ looks in good health? Fit as a Wuhan butcher's dog maybe.

    https://twitter.com/ropoem/status/1278041946070618113?s=20

    Yes, he looks fine. Back to normal. He is a 56 year old guy with a newborn, who was recently in ICU, and he has to be prime minister too. I'm surprised he doesn't look WORSE
    Something of the look of a floater picked up 4 days after the Titanic went down for me, but perceptions differ..
    If you had been to the official Titanic Museum and attended the graves of the lost, including a child, in Nova Scotia you may not be so flippant
    You seem to often have a difficulty with the concept of black humour. It's a thing, particularly with things that happened a long time ago.

    It won't be for everyone, but as much as I'm not averse to a bit of sanctimony myself, there's little need for it just because a joke is dark.
    To be honest when it involves the tragic death of many innocents including children I have a very low threshold
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Foxy said:

    Could I just take a moment to proclaim that I am top of the PB FF league? It may not last...

    Well done.

    Looks as if Leicester FC champions league place is coming under threat
    Unlikely. Leicester have a game in hand don't forget and they've got a far superior goal difference. Leicester could lose 2 consecutive games and still be ahead of their rivals on goal difference at least.

    Dropping down to 5th seems unlikely let alone 6th if City's suspension is confirmed by the CAS.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,911
    edited June 2020
    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    Foxy said:

    Could I just take a moment to proclaim that I am top of the PB FF league? It may not last...

    Here is the bloke top of a league I am 27th in


    Impressive. I am on 1762.

    Only 4th in my work league though beating Fox Jr for the first time in years.
    I am doing terribly, 1587pts

    So badly lost interest that I have skippered Aguero this week, and he's out for the season!
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,717

    LadyG said:

    Does anyone genuinely think BJ looks in good health? Fit as a Wuhan butcher's dog maybe.

    https://twitter.com/ropoem/status/1278041946070618113?s=20

    Yes, he looks fine. Back to normal. He is a 56 year old guy with a newborn, who was recently in ICU, and he has to be prime minister too. I'm surprised he doesn't look WORSE
    Something of the look of a floater picked up 4 days after the Titanic went down for me, but perceptions differ..
    If you had been to the official Titanic Museum and attended the graves of the lost, including a child, in Nova Scotia you may not be so flippant
    I haven't so at least I've managed to escape that excuse for piousness.
    The word you are looking for is respect
    Yes, it's impossible to have respect if someone makes a joke. Listen to yourself!
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