Starmer is more popular than Johnson at this moment, can he convert it into a election lead
Lol - can't wait for a "forensic" chat down the pub. Said nobody ever.
You might choose to chat with a stereotypical Etonian twat at the pub, and maybe find his inability to communicate quirky and amusing, but that doesn't mean that he should be PM. Give me a slightly less amusing professional anytime than a rank amateur who is nothing more than an international laughing stock.
Name the last "forensic" PM that won an election.
Gordon Brown was "forensic" off the end of the spectrum - got pumped at the polls.
Gordon Brown would make The Clown look competent. I always thought we would never see a worse PM than Brown in my lifetime. I was wrong, but this time, this completely unsuitable egocentric entitled twat is wearing a blue rosette. Public opinion will quickly catch up. Even your blinkers might start to fall off after another year of bluster, buffoonery and back-of-a-fag-packet incompetence from no.10. Any Tories with any analytical skill are shit scared of Starmer. He will slowly and surely make the public realise the obvious - Johnson is a charlatan and an incompetent, and a disgrace to the Conservative Party and the office he currently holds.
Elections won
Boris 3 Brown 0
As for referendums...
Winning a few beauty contests against very ugly competition doesn't make you competent to run a country. It is one of the weaknesses of our system. Bozo's competition so far has been two washed up has-been lefties. He is no Churchill, no Thatcher. He is an empty chasm of a man that would say anything, do anything so that he can put the PM badge on his boy scout uniform. Eventually the country, with the exception of a few blinkered fanbois will have nothing but contempt for him, and rightly so.
Go, Nigel!
When it comes to BJ assessment on here you are the Carly Simon.
That 'Eventually' is doing a lot of work. Is it going to kick in before or after Boris' second landslide?
I would love to rule that out but I can't. He does appeal to many. He's the Mantovani of modern British politics.
Boris will always appeal to the hard Brexit, Leave voting pro WTO terms crowd, for them he can do no wrong.
Starmer has zero chance of winning them over, he needs to focus instead on uniting Remainers behind him and soft Leavers who would accept staying in the single market and are concerned about the government's Covid response
But that will be pretty irrelevant if Brexit has faded to be just a background issue of little interest beyond to a few stalwarts. I suspect it will be no more central to a 2024 election campaign than the Iraq War proved to be in 2010.
Brexit will not fade into the background as we will almost certainly be on WTO terms next year, so unless that is going well it will still be an issue.
The Iraq War only faded into the background by 2010 as Brown replaced Blair as PM and withdrew UK combat forces from Iraq by mid 2009. Obama also having replaced Bush as US President by then too
Free money into 2021 (they won't cut it before Christmas) means the day of reckoning is delayed at the cost of a billion pounds for every two days of non-reckoning.
The free money that they have to announce has no cost. In fact we'll all be better off. Won't happen twice.
Whoever in government thinks it is a good idea to open up driving in England to anywhere else in England and in particular the beaches and parks including the Lake district is making a huge error
Travel should have been within a set limit, maybe 10 miles, and this policy is just wrong
I expect their ratings to sink futher if I am right and this is another self inflicted own goal like Hancock's 100, 000 tests
Maybe we should trust the people to do the right thing.
Free money into 2021 (they won't cut it before Christmas) means the day of reckoning is delayed at the cost of a billion pounds for every two days of non-reckoning.
The free money that they have to announce has no cost. In fact we'll all be better off. Won't happen twice.
BBC quoted 8 billion per month so to the end of October 8 x 8 = £64 billion
Starmer is more popular than Johnson at this moment, can he convert it into a election lead
Lol - can't wait for a "forensic" chat down the pub. Said nobody ever.
You might choose to chat with a stereotypical Etonian twat at the pub, and maybe find his inability to communicate quirky and amusing, but that doesn't mean that he should be PM. Give me a slightly less amusing professional anytime than a rank amateur who is nothing more than an international laughing stock.
Name the last "forensic" PM that won an election.
Gordon Brown was "forensic" off the end of the spectrum - got pumped at the polls.
Gordon Brown would make The Clown look competent. I always thought we would never see a worse PM than Brown in my lifetime. I was wrong, but this time, this completely unsuitable egocentric entitled twat is wearing a blue rosette. Public opinion will quickly catch up. Even your blinkers might start to fall off after another year of bluster, buffoonery and back-of-a-fag-packet incompetence from no.10. Any Tories with any analytical skill are shit scared of Starmer. He will slowly and surely make the public realise the obvious - Johnson is a charlatan and an incompetent, and a disgrace to the Conservative Party and the office he currently holds.
Elections won
Boris 3 Brown 0
As for referendums...
Winning a few beauty contests against very ugly competition doesn't make you competent to run a country. It is one of the weaknesses of our system. Bozo's competition so far has been two washed up has-been lefties. He is no Churchill, no Thatcher. He is an empty chasm of a man that would say anything, do anything so that he can put the PM badge on his boy scout uniform. Eventually the country, with the exception of a few blinkered fanbois will have nothing but contempt for him, and rightly so.
Go, Nigel!
When it comes to BJ assessment on here you are the Carly Simon.
That 'Eventually' is doing a lot of work. Is it going to kick in before or after Boris' second landslide?
I would love to rule that out but I can't. He does appeal to many. He's the Mantovani of modern British politics.
Boris will always appeal to the hard Brexit, Leave voting pro WTO terms crowd, for them he can do no wrong.
Starmer has zero chance of winning them over, he needs to focus instead on uniting Remainers behind him and soft Leavers who would accept staying in the single market and are concerned about the government's Covid response
But that will be pretty irrelevant if Brexit has faded to be just a background issue of little interest beyond to a few stalwarts. I suspect it will be no more central to a 2024 election campaign than the Iraq War proved to be in 2010.
Brexit will not fade into the background as we will almost certainly be on WTO terms next year, so unless that is going well it will still be an issue.
The Iraq War only faded into the background as Brown withdrew UK forces from Iraq and after Blair left office
I strongly disagree. Starmer will not make a serious attempt to revive the issue, and whilst the LDs might seek to do so , few voters will be interested. Iraq was not a central issue even in 2005 - though its aftermath did drive many Labour voters to the LDs.
Starmer is more popular than Johnson at this moment, can he convert it into a election lead
Lol - can't wait for a "forensic" chat down the pub. Said nobody ever.
You might choose to chat with a stereotypical Etonian twat at the pub, and maybe find his inability to communicate quirky and amusing, but that doesn't mean that he should be PM. Give me a slightly less amusing professional anytime than a rank amateur who is nothing more than an international laughing stock.
Name the last "forensic" PM that won an election.
Gordon Brown was "forensic" off the end of the spectrum - got pumped at the polls.
Gordon Brown would make The Clown look competent. I always thought we would never see a worse PM than Brown in my lifetime. I was wrong, but this time, this completely unsuitable egocentric entitled twat is wearing a blue rosette. Public opinion will quickly catch up. Even your blinkers might start to fall off after another year of bluster, buffoonery and back-of-a-fag-packet incompetence from no.10. Any Tories with any analytical skill are shit scared of Starmer. He will slowly and surely make the public realise the obvious - Johnson is a charlatan and an incompetent, and a disgrace to the Conservative Party and the office he currently holds.
Elections won
Boris 3 Brown 0
As for referendums...
Winning a few beauty contests against very ugly competition doesn't make you competent to run a country. It is one of the weaknesses of our system. Bozo's competition so far has been two washed up has-been lefties. He is no Churchill, no Thatcher. He is an empty chasm of a man that would say anything, do anything so that he can put the PM badge on his boy scout uniform. Eventually the country, with the exception of a few blinkered fanbois will have nothing but contempt for him, and rightly so.
Go, Nigel!
When it comes to BJ assessment on here you are the Carly Simon.
That 'Eventually' is doing a lot of work. Is it going to kick in before or after Boris' second landslide?
I would love to rule that out but I can't. He does appeal to many. He's the Mantovani of modern British politics.
Boris will always appeal to the hard Brexit, Leave voting pro WTO terms crowd, for them he can do no wrong.
Starmer has zero chance of winning them over, he needs to focus instead on uniting Remainers behind him and soft Leavers who would accept staying in the single market and are concerned about the government's Covid response
But that will be pretty irrelevant if Brexit has faded to be just a background issue of little interest beyond to a few stalwarts. I suspect it will be no more central to a 2024 election campaign than the Iraq War proved to be in 2010.
Brexit will not fade into the background as we will almost certainly be on WTO terms next year, so unless that is going well it will still be an issue.
The Iraq War only faded into the background as Brown withdrew UK forces from Iraq and after Blair left office
I strongly disagree. Starmer will not make a serious attempt to revive the issue, and whilst the LDs might seek to do so , few voters will be interested. Iraq was not a central issue even in 2005 - though its aftermath did drive many Labour voters to the LDs.
Iraq saw the Labour vote slump from 40% in 2001 to just 35% in 2005 with the LD vote rising to 23%.
Starmer will not try and reverse Brexit but he will almost certainly push rejoining the single market which Boris will oppose
Free money into 2021 (they won't cut it before Christmas) means the day of reckoning is delayed at the cost of a billion pounds for every two days of non-reckoning.
The free money that they have to announce has no cost. In fact we'll all be better off. Won't happen twice.
BBC quoted 8 billion per month so to the end of October 8 x 8 = £64 billion
You mistake me - all governments will print huge amounts of money. They have to do it together. We'll all be stunned, but actually nothing changes. It is though a one-time deal.
Free money into 2021 (they won't cut it before Christmas) means the day of reckoning is delayed at the cost of a billion pounds for every two days of non-reckoning.
The free money that they have to announce has no cost. In fact we'll all be better off. Won't happen twice.
BBC quoted 8 billion per month so to the end of October 8 x 8 = £64 billion
Free money into 2021 (they won't cut it before Christmas) means the day of reckoning is delayed at the cost of a billion pounds for every two days of non-reckoning.
The free money that they have to announce has no cost. In fact we'll all be better off. Won't happen twice.
BBC quoted 8 billion per month so to the end of October 8 x 8 = £64 billion
You mistake me - all governments will print huge amounts of money. They have to do it together. We'll all be stunned, but actually nothing changes. It is though a one-time deal.
Sorry if I mistook your comment, but the cost as projected by the BBC is interesting
Whoever in government thinks it is a good idea to open up driving in England to anywhere else in England and in particular the beaches and parks including the Lake district is making a huge error
Travel should have been within a set limit, maybe 10 miles, and this policy is just wrong
I expect their ratings to sink futher if I am right and this is another self inflicted own goal like Hancock's 100, 000 tests
Maybe we should trust the people to do the right thing.
We did and they ignored it comprehensively
The result was that the car parking along the long stretches of Rhos to Old Colwyn were lost to all parking, including residents with tow truck signs. Nobody now parks near our beaches but the local residents just walk to them
I'm with Big G on this. It's not about the journey, it's about the destination. I live in probably the most popular coastal destination in the UK, and we expect to be inundated on the next warm Saturday; severe crowding will be impossible to stop, and virus spread looks high risk. Two other quick observations. The international comparisons graph was removed from the press conference today, and I don't imagine it will come back. Despite its shortcomings, I'd wager it would have stayed if it had showed a better picture. Not enough attention has been paid to the reprimand to Hancock from the UK Statistics Authority on the testing data, linked by somebody earlier. The lack of clarity in the data is very poor, and quite deliberate - it's not hard to separate out the measures.
Starmer is more popular than Johnson at this moment, can he convert it into a election lead
Lol - can't wait for a "forensic" chat down the pub. Said nobody ever.
You might choose to chat with a stereotypical Etonian twat at the pub, and maybe find his inability to communicate quirky and amusing, but that doesn't mean that he should be PM. Give me a slightly less amusing professional anytime than a rank amateur who is nothing more than an international laughing stock.
Name the last "forensic" PM that won an election.
Gordon Brown was "forensic" off the end of the spectrum - got pumped at the polls.
Gordon Brown would make The Clown look competent. I always thought we would never see a worse PM than Brown in my lifetime. I was wrong, but this time, this completely unsuitable egocentric entitled twat is wearing a blue rosette. Public opinion will quickly catch up. Even your blinkers might start to fall off after another year of bluster, buffoonery and back-of-a-fag-packet incompetence from no.10. Any Tories with any analytical skill are shit scared of Starmer. He will slowly and surely make the public realise the obvious - Johnson is a charlatan and an incompetent, and a disgrace to the Conservative Party and the office he currently holds.
Elections won
Boris 3 Brown 0
As for referendums...
Winning a few beauty contests against very ugly competition doesn't make you competent to run a country. It is one of the weaknesses of our system. Bozo's competition so far has been two washed up has-been lefties. He is no Churchill, no Thatcher. He is an empty chasm of a man that would say anything, do anything so that he can put the PM badge on his boy scout uniform. Eventually the country, with the exception of a few blinkered fanbois will have nothing but contempt for him, and rightly so.
Go, Nigel!
When it comes to BJ assessment on here you are the Carly Simon.
That 'Eventually' is doing a lot of work. Is it going to kick in before or after Boris' second landslide?
I would love to rule that out but I can't. He does appeal to many. He's the Mantovani of modern British politics.
Boris will always appeal to the hard Brexit, Leave voting pro WTO terms crowd, for them he can do no wrong.
Starmer has zero chance of winning them over, he needs to focus instead on uniting Remainers behind him and soft Leavers who would accept staying in the single market and are concerned about the government's Covid response
But that will be pretty irrelevant if Brexit has faded to be just a background issue of little interest beyond to a few stalwarts. I suspect it will be no more central to a 2024 election campaign than the Iraq War proved to be in 2010.
Brexit will not fade into the background as we will almost certainly be on WTO terms next year, so unless that is going well it will still be an issue.
The Iraq War only faded into the background as Brown withdrew UK forces from Iraq and after Blair left office
I strongly disagree. Starmer will not make a serious attempt to revive the issue, and whilst the LDs might seek to do so , few voters will be interested. Iraq was not a central issue even in 2005 - though its aftermath did drive many Labour voters to the LDs.
Iraq saw the Labour vote slump from 40% in 2001 to just 35% in 2005 with the LD vote rising to 23%.
Starmer will not try and reverse Brexit but he will almost certainly push rejoining the single market which Boris will oppose
Labour's GB share in 2005 was 36% , and the shift to the LDs had occurred long before the campaign itself.
Starmer is more popular than Johnson at this moment, can he convert it into a election lead
Lol - can't wait for a "forensic" chat down the pub. Said nobody ever.
You might choose to chat with a stereotypical Etonian twat at the pub, and maybe find his inability to communicate quirky and amusing, but that doesn't mean that he should be PM. Give me a slightly less amusing professional anytime than a rank amateur who is nothing more than an international laughing stock.
Name the last "forensic" PM that won an election.
Gordon Brown was "forensic" off the end of the spectrum - got pumped at the polls.
Gordon Brown would make The Clown look competent. I always thought we would never see a worse PM than Brown in my lifetime. I was wrong, but this time, this completely unsuitable egocentric entitled twat is wearing a blue rosette. Public opinion will quickly catch up. Even your blinkers might start to fall off after another year of bluster, buffoonery and back-of-a-fag-packet incompetence from no.10. Any Tories with any analytical skill are shit scared of Starmer. He will slowly and surely make the public realise the obvious - Johnson is a charlatan and an incompetent, and a disgrace to the Conservative Party and the office he currently holds.
Elections won
Boris 3 Brown 0
As for referendums...
Winning a few beauty contests against very ugly competition doesn't make you competent to run a country. It is one of the weaknesses of our system. Bozo's competition so far has been two washed up has-been lefties. He is no Churchill, no Thatcher. He is an empty chasm of a man that would say anything, do anything so that he can put the PM badge on his boy scout uniform. Eventually the country, with the exception of a few blinkered fanbois will have nothing but contempt for him, and rightly so.
Go, Nigel!
When it comes to BJ assessment on here you are the Carly Simon.
That 'Eventually' is doing a lot of work. Is it going to kick in before or after Boris' second landslide?
I would love to rule that out but I can't. He does appeal to many. He's the Mantovani of modern British politics.
Boris will always appeal to the hard Brexit, Leave voting pro WTO terms crowd, for them he can do no wrong.
Starmer has zero chance of winning them over, he needs to focus instead on uniting Remainers behind him and soft Leavers who would accept staying in the single market and are concerned about the government's Covid response
But that will be pretty irrelevant if Brexit has faded to be just a background issue of little interest beyond to a few stalwarts. I suspect it will be no more central to a 2024 election campaign than the Iraq War proved to be in 2010.
Brexit will not fade into the background as we will almost certainly be on WTO terms next year, so unless that is going well it will still be an issue.
The Iraq War only faded into the background as Brown withdrew UK forces from Iraq and after Blair left office
I strongly disagree. Starmer will not make a serious attempt to revive the issue, and whilst the LDs might seek to do so , few voters will be interested. Iraq was not a central issue even in 2005 - though its aftermath did drive many Labour voters to the LDs.
Iraq saw the Labour vote slump from 40% in 2001 to just 35% in 2005 with the LD vote rising to 23%.
Starmer will not try and reverse Brexit but he will almost certainly push rejoining the single market which Boris will oppose
Labour's GB share in 2005 was 36% , and the shift to the LDs had occurred long before the campaign itself.
The shift was all down to Iraq, 36% was the lowest voteshare for any re elected government since WW2
Free money into 2021 (they won't cut it before Christmas) means the day of reckoning is delayed at the cost of a billion pounds for every two days of non-reckoning.
The free money that they have to announce has no cost. In fact we'll all be better off. Won't happen twice.
Someone has to stop it before it can happen twice. That will not be a fun day.
And it explains much about general poor health and excess covid deaths.
No way on God's green earth 56% of the population exercise at least once a day. Heck I don't do that. 3 or 4 times a week for me. Heading to the park for a ciggy and a natter is probably lots of people's idea of exercise though.
Starmer is more popular than Johnson at this moment, can he convert it into a election lead
Lol - can't wait for a "forensic" chat down the pub. Said nobody ever.
You might choose to chat with a stereotypical Etonian twat at the pub, and maybe find his inability to communicate quirky and amusing, but that doesn't mean that he should be PM. Give me a slightly less amusing professional anytime than a rank amateur who is nothing more than an international laughing stock.
Name the last "forensic" PM that won an election.
Gordon Brown was "forensic" off the end of the spectrum - got pumped at the polls.
Gordon Brown would make The Clown look competent. I always thought we would never see a worse PM than Brown in my lifetime. I was wrong, but this time, this completely unsuitable egocentric entitled twat is wearing a blue rosette. Public opinion will quickly catch up. Even your blinkers might start to fall off after another year of bluster, buffoonery and back-of-a-fag-packet incompetence from no.10. Any Tories with any analytical skill are shit scared of Starmer. He will slowly and surely make the public realise the obvious - Johnson is a charlatan and an incompetent, and a disgrace to the Conservative Party and the office he currently holds.
Elections won
Boris 3 Brown 0
As for referendums...
Winning a few beauty contests against very ugly competition doesn't make you competent to run a country. It is one of the weaknesses of our system. Bozo's competition so far has been two washed up has-been lefties. He is no Churchill, no Thatcher. He is an empty chasm of a man that would say anything, do anything so that he can put the PM badge on his boy scout uniform. Eventually the country, with the exception of a few blinkered fanbois will have nothing but contempt for him, and rightly so.
Go, Nigel!
When it comes to BJ assessment on here you are the Carly Simon.
That 'Eventually' is doing a lot of work. Is it going to kick in before or after Boris' second landslide?
I would love to rule that out but I can't. He does appeal to many. He's the Mantovani of modern British politics.
Boris will always appeal to the hard Brexit, Leave voting pro WTO terms crowd, for them he can do no wrong.
Starmer has zero chance of winning them over, he needs to focus instead on uniting Remainers behind him and soft Leavers who would accept staying in the single market and are concerned about the government's Covid response
But that will be pretty irrelevant if Brexit has faded to be just a background issue of little interest beyond to a few stalwarts. I suspect it will be no more central to a 2024 election campaign than the Iraq War proved to be in 2010.
Brexit will not fade into the background as we will almost certainly be on WTO terms next year, so unless that is going well it will still be an issue.
The Iraq War only faded into the background as Brown withdrew UK forces from Iraq and after Blair left office
I strongly disagree. Starmer will not make a serious attempt to revive the issue, and whilst the LDs might seek to do so , few voters will be interested. Iraq was not a central issue even in 2005 - though its aftermath did drive many Labour voters to the LDs.
Iraq saw the Labour vote slump from 40% in 2001 to just 35% in 2005 with the LD vote rising to 23%.
Starmer will not try and reverse Brexit but he will almost certainly push rejoining the single market which Boris will oppose
Labour's GB share in 2005 was 36% , and the shift to the LDs had occurred long before the campaign itself.
The shift was all down to Iraq, 36% was the lowest voteshare for any re elected government since WW2
Free money into 2021 (they won't cut it before Christmas) means the day of reckoning is delayed at the cost of a billion pounds for every two days of non-reckoning.
The free money that they have to announce has no cost. In fact we'll all be better off. Won't happen twice.
BBC quoted 8 billion per month so to the end of October 8 x 8 = £64 billion
You mistake me - all governments will print huge amounts of money. They have to do it together. We'll all be stunned, but actually nothing changes. It is though a one-time deal.
Sorry if I mistook your comment, but the cost as projected by the BBC is interesting
No need to apologise at all - I have long known you to have only the best intentions.
Re topic - It is, undoubtedly.
The real cost is more like 50bn per month though. (My estimate)
Free money into 2021 (they won't cut it before Christmas) means the day of reckoning is delayed at the cost of a billion pounds for every two days of non-reckoning.
The free money that they have to announce has no cost. In fact we'll all be better off. Won't happen twice.
BBC quoted 8 billion per month so to the end of October 8 x 8 = £64 billion
Starmer is more popular than Johnson at this moment, can he convert it into a election lead
Lol - can't wait for a "forensic" chat down the pub. Said nobody ever.
You might choose to chat with a stereotypical Etonian twat at the pub, and maybe find his inability to communicate quirky and amusing, but that doesn't mean that he should be PM. Give me a slightly less amusing professional anytime than a rank amateur who is nothing more than an international laughing stock.
Name the last "forensic" PM that won an election.
Gordon Brown was "forensic" off the end of the spectrum - got pumped at the polls.
Gordon Brown would make The Clown look competent. I always thought we would never see a worse PM than Brown in my lifetime. I was wrong, but this time, this completely unsuitable egocentric entitled twat is wearing a blue rosette. Public opinion will quickly catch up. Even your blinkers might start to fall off after another year of bluster, buffoonery and back-of-a-fag-packet incompetence from no.10. Any Tories with any analytical skill are shit scared of Starmer. He will slowly and surely make the public realise the obvious - Johnson is a charlatan and an incompetent, and a disgrace to the Conservative Party and the office he currently holds.
Elections won
Boris 3 Brown 0
As for referendums...
Winning a few beauty contests against very ugly competition doesn't make you competent to run a country. It is one of the weaknesses of our system. Bozo's competition so far has been two washed up has-been lefties. He is no Churchill, no Thatcher. He is an empty chasm of a man that would say anything, do anything so that he can put the PM badge on his boy scout uniform. Eventually the country, with the exception of a few blinkered fanbois will have nothing but contempt for him, and rightly so.
Go, Nigel!
When it comes to BJ assessment on here you are the Carly Simon.
That 'Eventually' is doing a lot of work. Is it going to kick in before or after Boris' second landslide?
I would love to rule that out but I can't. He does appeal to many. He's the Mantovani of modern British politics.
Boris will always appeal to the hard Brexit, Leave voting pro WTO terms crowd, for them he can do no wrong.
Starmer has zero chance of winning them over, he needs to focus instead on uniting Remainers behind him and soft Leavers who would accept staying in the single market and are concerned about the government's Covid response
But that will be pretty irrelevant if Brexit has faded to be just a background issue of little interest beyond to a few stalwarts. I suspect it will be no more central to a 2024 election campaign than the Iraq War proved to be in 2010.
Brexit will not fade into the background as we will almost certainly be on WTO terms next year, so unless that is going well it will still be an issue.
The Iraq War only faded into the background as Brown withdrew UK forces from Iraq and after Blair left office
I strongly disagree. Starmer will not make a serious attempt to revive the issue, and whilst the LDs might seek to do so , few voters will be interested. Iraq was not a central issue even in 2005 - though its aftermath did drive many Labour voters to the LDs.
Iraq saw the Labour vote slump from 40% in 2001 to just 35% in 2005 with the LD vote rising to 23%.
Starmer will not try and reverse Brexit but he will almost certainly push rejoining the single market which Boris will oppose
Labour's GB share in 2005 was 36% , and the shift to the LDs had occurred long before the campaign itself.
The shift was all down to Iraq, 36% was the lowest voteshare for any re elected government since WW2
We still won though, didn't we?
Shows what the public thought of your lot.
Howard did gain 32 seats, though admittedly only got 32.4% of the UK vote (but he did narrowly win most votes in England)
Whoever in government thinks it is a good idea to open up driving in England to anywhere else in England and in particular the beaches and parks including the Lake district is making a huge error
Travel should have been within a set limit, maybe 10 miles, and this policy is just wrong
I expect their ratings to sink futher if I am right and this is another self inflicted own goal like Hancock's 100, 000 tests
Oh dont be so miserable- Driving anywhere is not a cause of transmission . In fact the more you drive the less likely you are to see anyone you know at the end of it so less likely to mix. Lots of misery and judging of others on here tonight.
With respect that is so naive
Why do you think North Wales police stop people at the English border
Given a chance Snowdonia and our beaches will be overwhelmed with day trippers and social distancing goes out of the window.
The same may well happen across England if we have good weather this weekend
I think you said previously that there will be no closing of the border between Scotland & England. Can I just check on what the difference between closing a border and the police stopping people at the border?
"I’m a Senior Lecturer at a UK higher education institution currently stuck doing remote working amongst a group of typical identitarian, fair-trade, falafel-munching academics. It probably won’t surprise you to learn that my colleagues really don’t want this magic-money-tree-fuelled piss-about to end. They chirrup along quite happily to each other on Microsoft Teams about how it might bring down the “Tory Scum” Government and thus also cancel “racist Brexit”. Part of the ongoing appeal of the lockdown for them is the opportunity to spend all day safe at home baking Nordic-inspired loaf cakes, knocking out virtue-signalling blogs about sustainable living (whilst simultaneously planning their next foreign holiday, of course) and angrily taking to social media to demand more white deaths from COVID-19 as a form of reparation for colonial injustices. Okay, I might have made that last one up, but you get the idea. This has become a middle-class wet dream of what the revolutionary overthrow of capitalism would look like."
And it explains much about general poor health and excess covid deaths.
No way on God's green earth 56% of the population exercise at least once a day. Heck I don't do that. 3 or 4 times a week for me. Heading to the park for a ciggy and a natter is probably lots of people's idea of exercise though.
More like cutting a large slice of chocolate cake and raising it up to their mouths. And lift and bite and down and lift and bite and down and lift and bite and down...
"I’m a Senior Lecturer at a UK higher education institution currently stuck doing remote working amongst a group of typical identitarian, fair-trade, falafel-munching academics. It probably won’t surprise you to learn that my colleagues really don’t want this magic-money-tree-fuelled piss-about to end. They chirrup along quite happily to each other on Microsoft Teams about how it might bring down the “Tory Scum” Government and thus also cancel “racist Brexit”. Part of the ongoing appeal of the lockdown for them is the opportunity to spend all day safe at home baking Nordic-inspired loaf cakes, knocking out virtue-signalling blogs about sustainable living (whilst simultaneously planning their next foreign holiday, of course) and angrily taking to social media to demand more white deaths from COVID-19 as a form of reparation for colonial injustices. Okay, I might have made that last one up, but you get the idea. This has become a middle-class wet dream of what the revolutionary overthrow of capitalism would look like."
Whoever in government thinks it is a good idea to open up driving in England to anywhere else in England and in particular the beaches and parks including the Lake district is making a huge error
Travel should have been within a set limit, maybe 10 miles, and this policy is just wrong
I expect their ratings to sink futher if I am right and this is another self inflicted own goal like Hancock's 100, 000 tests
Oh dont be so miserable- Driving anywhere is not a cause of transmission . In fact the more you drive the less likely you are to see anyone you know at the end of it so less likely to mix. Lots of misery and judging of others on here tonight.
With respect that is so naive
Why do you think North Wales police stop people at the English border
Given a chance Snowdonia and our beaches will be overwhelmed with day trippers and social distancing goes out of the window.
The same may well happen across England if we have good weather this weekend
I think you said previously that there will be no closing of the border between Scotland & England. Can I just check on what the difference between closing a border and the police stopping people at the border?
The border is open for legitimate access to Wales but not tourist trips
Also this is temporary, in Independence it would be permanent
And it explains much about general poor health and excess covid deaths.
No way on God's green earth 56% of the population exercise at least once a day. Heck I don't do that. 3 or 4 times a week for me. Heading to the park for a ciggy and a natter is probably lots of people's idea of exercise though.
An inconvenience of going to work means my exercise has to be an evening walk which is somewhat less pleasant this week.
I would hope those on furlough make good use of their extra free time - they're likely to regret the missed opportunity if they don't.
"I’m a Senior Lecturer at a UK higher education institution currently stuck doing remote working amongst a group of typical identitarian, fair-trade, falafel-munching academics. It probably won’t surprise you to learn that my colleagues really don’t want this magic-money-tree-fuelled piss-about to end. They chirrup along quite happily to each other on Microsoft Teams about how it might bring down the “Tory Scum” Government and thus also cancel “racist Brexit”. Part of the ongoing appeal of the lockdown for them is the opportunity to spend all day safe at home baking Nordic-inspired loaf cakes, knocking out virtue-signalling blogs about sustainable living (whilst simultaneously planning their next foreign holiday, of course) and angrily taking to social media to demand more white deaths from COVID-19 as a form of reparation for colonial injustices. Okay, I might have made that last one up, but you get the idea. This has become a middle-class wet dream of what the revolutionary overthrow of capitalism would look like."
"I’m a Senior Lecturer at a UK higher education institution currently stuck doing remote working amongst a group of typical identitarian, fair-trade, falafel-munching academics. It probably won’t surprise you to learn that my colleagues really don’t want this magic-money-tree-fuelled piss-about to end. They chirrup along quite happily to each other on Microsoft Teams about how it might bring down the “Tory Scum” Government and thus also cancel “racist Brexit”. Part of the ongoing appeal of the lockdown for them is the opportunity to spend all day safe at home baking Nordic-inspired loaf cakes, knocking out virtue-signalling blogs about sustainable living (whilst simultaneously planning their next foreign holiday, of course) and angrily taking to social media to demand more white deaths from COVID-19 as a form of reparation for colonial injustices. Okay, I might have made that last one up, but you get the idea. This has become a middle-class wet dream of what the revolutionary overthrow of capitalism would look like."
"I’m a Senior Lecturer at a UK higher education institution currently stuck doing remote working amongst a group of typical identitarian, fair-trade, falafel-munching academics. It probably won’t surprise you to learn that my colleagues really don’t want this magic-money-tree-fuelled piss-about to end. They chirrup along quite happily to each other on Microsoft Teams about how it might bring down the “Tory Scum” Government and thus also cancel “racist Brexit”. Part of the ongoing appeal of the lockdown for them is the opportunity to spend all day safe at home baking Nordic-inspired loaf cakes, knocking out virtue-signalling blogs about sustainable living (whilst simultaneously planning their next foreign holiday, of course) and angrily taking to social media to demand more white deaths from COVID-19 as a form of reparation for colonial injustices. Okay, I might have made that last one up, but you get the idea. This has become a middle-class wet dream of what the revolutionary overthrow of capitalism would look like."
Free money into 2021 (they won't cut it before Christmas) means the day of reckoning is delayed at the cost of a billion pounds for every two days of non-reckoning.
The free money that they have to announce has no cost. In fact we'll all be better off. Won't happen twice.
BBC quoted 8 billion per month so to the end of October 8 x 8 = £64 billion
That's the cost of the scheme and doesn't take into account lost tax revenue.
"I’m a Senior Lecturer at a UK higher education institution currently stuck doing remote working amongst a group of typical identitarian, fair-trade, falafel-munching academics. It probably won’t surprise you to learn that my colleagues really don’t want this magic-money-tree-fuelled piss-about to end. They chirrup along quite happily to each other on Microsoft Teams about how it might bring down the “Tory Scum” Government and thus also cancel “racist Brexit”. Part of the ongoing appeal of the lockdown for them is the opportunity to spend all day safe at home baking Nordic-inspired loaf cakes, knocking out virtue-signalling blogs about sustainable living (whilst simultaneously planning their next foreign holiday, of course) and angrily taking to social media to demand more white deaths from COVID-19 as a form of reparation for colonial injustices. Okay, I might have made that last one up, but you get the idea. This has become a middle-class wet dream of what the revolutionary overthrow of capitalism would look like."
Oh to see a parallel universe where Labour were in charge during all of this.
Depends who you mean by Labour. If Corbyn was in charge there would be concern as to whether the virus would badly suppress the five year tractor production figures.
"I’m a Senior Lecturer at a UK higher education institution currently stuck doing remote working amongst a group of typical identitarian, fair-trade, falafel-munching academics. It probably won’t surprise you to learn that my colleagues really don’t want this magic-money-tree-fuelled piss-about to end. They chirrup along quite happily to each other on Microsoft Teams about how it might bring down the “Tory Scum” Government and thus also cancel “racist Brexit”. Part of the ongoing appeal of the lockdown for them is the opportunity to spend all day safe at home baking Nordic-inspired loaf cakes, knocking out virtue-signalling blogs about sustainable living (whilst simultaneously planning their next foreign holiday, of course) and angrily taking to social media to demand more white deaths from COVID-19 as a form of reparation for colonial injustices. Okay, I might have made that last one up, but you get the idea. This has become a middle-class wet dream of what the revolutionary overthrow of capitalism would look like."
"I’m a Senior Lecturer at a UK higher education institution currently stuck doing remote working amongst a group of typical identitarian, fair-trade, falafel-munching academics. It probably won’t surprise you to learn that my colleagues really don’t want this magic-money-tree-fuelled piss-about to end. They chirrup along quite happily to each other on Microsoft Teams about how it might bring down the “Tory Scum” Government and thus also cancel “racist Brexit”. Part of the ongoing appeal of the lockdown for them is the opportunity to spend all day safe at home baking Nordic-inspired loaf cakes, knocking out virtue-signalling blogs about sustainable living (whilst simultaneously planning their next foreign holiday, of course) and angrily taking to social media to demand more white deaths from COVID-19 as a form of reparation for colonial injustices. Okay, I might have made that last one up, but you get the idea. This has become a middle-class wet dream of what the revolutionary overthrow of capitalism would look like."
That's funny, my first reaction was that the author must be using "Nordic" approvingly.
My first reaction was it was a load of vitriolic nonsense which no sane person would believe.
I believed it up to the part about foreign holidays. That was a stereotype too far, you'd have to be consciously hamming it up as a stuck-up intellectual to go on foreign holidays.
And it explains much about general poor health and excess covid deaths.
No way on God's green earth 56% of the population exercise at least once a day. Heck I don't do that. 3 or 4 times a week for me. Heading to the park for a ciggy and a natter is probably lots of people's idea of exercise though.
Yes I think people's idea of exercise is pretty liberal.
Whoever in government thinks it is a good idea to open up driving in England to anywhere else in England and in particular the beaches and parks including the Lake district is making a huge error
Travel should have been within a set limit, maybe 10 miles, and this policy is just wrong
I expect their ratings to sink futher if I am right and this is another self inflicted own goal like Hancock's 100, 000 tests
Oh dont be so miserable- Driving anywhere is not a cause of transmission . In fact the more you drive the less likely you are to see anyone you know at the end of it so less likely to mix. Lots of misery and judging of others on here tonight.
With respect that is so naive
Why do you think North Wales police stop people at the English border
Given a chance Snowdonia and our beaches will be overwhelmed with day trippers and social distancing goes out of the window.
The same may well happen across England if we have good weather this weekend
I think you said previously that there will be no closing of the border between Scotland & England. Can I just check on what the difference between closing a border and the police stopping people at the border?
The border is open for legitimate access to Wales but not tourist trips
Also this is temporary, in Independence it would be permanent
"I’m a Senior Lecturer at a UK higher education institution currently stuck doing remote working amongst a group of typical identitarian, fair-trade, falafel-munching academics. It probably won’t surprise you to learn that my colleagues really don’t want this magic-money-tree-fuelled piss-about to end. They chirrup along quite happily to each other on Microsoft Teams about how it might bring down the “Tory Scum” Government and thus also cancel “racist Brexit”. Part of the ongoing appeal of the lockdown for them is the opportunity to spend all day safe at home baking Nordic-inspired loaf cakes, knocking out virtue-signalling blogs about sustainable living (whilst simultaneously planning their next foreign holiday, of course) and angrily taking to social media to demand more white deaths from COVID-19 as a form of reparation for colonial injustices. Okay, I might have made that last one up, but you get the idea. This has become a middle-class wet dream of what the revolutionary overthrow of capitalism would look like."
"I’m a Senior Lecturer at a UK higher education institution currently stuck doing remote working amongst a group of typical identitarian, fair-trade, falafel-munching academics. It probably won’t surprise you to learn that my colleagues really don’t want this magic-money-tree-fuelled piss-about to end. They chirrup along quite happily to each other on Microsoft Teams about how it might bring down the “Tory Scum” Government and thus also cancel “racist Brexit”. Part of the ongoing appeal of the lockdown for them is the opportunity to spend all day safe at home baking Nordic-inspired loaf cakes, knocking out virtue-signalling blogs about sustainable living (whilst simultaneously planning their next foreign holiday, of course) and angrily taking to social media to demand more white deaths from COVID-19 as a form of reparation for colonial injustices. Okay, I might have made that last one up, but you get the idea. This has become a middle-class wet dream of what the revolutionary overthrow of capitalism would look like."
Oh to see a parallel universe where Labour were in charge during all of this.
Depends who you mean by Labour. If Corbyn was in charge there would be concern as to whether the virus would badly suppress the five year tractor production figures.
Isn't 100,000 per day the tractor stat of the moment?
The statistics of interest for me today were first 44% of employed adults working at home compared with 12% this time last year. It may well be between a quarter to a third of employed adults will be working at home even once this is over and that would mark a significant shift in working patterns.
The transport figures are only up to Sunday and illustrate (surprisingly to some) lower vehicular traffic over the Bank Holiday weekend and both tube and train passenger numbers still very low.
It will be fascinating to see those numbers in the coming days.
Whoever in government thinks it is a good idea to open up driving in England to anywhere else in England and in particular the beaches and parks including the Lake district is making a huge error
Travel should have been within a set limit, maybe 10 miles, and this policy is just wrong
I expect their ratings to sink futher if I am right and this is another self inflicted own goal like Hancock's 100, 000 tests
Maybe we should trust the people to do the right thing.
We did and they ignored it comprehensively
The result was that the car parking along the long stretches of Rhos to Old Colwyn were lost to all parking, including residents with tow truck signs. Nobody now parks near our beaches but the local residents just walk to them
I'm with Big G on this. It's not about the journey, it's about the destination. I live in probably the most popular coastal destination in the UK, and we expect to be inundated on the next warm Saturday; severe crowding will be impossible to stop, and virus spread looks high risk. Two other quick observations. The international comparisons graph was removed from the press conference today, and I don't imagine it will come back. Despite its shortcomings, I'd wager it would have stayed if it had showed a better picture. Not enough attention has been paid to the reprimand to Hancock from the UK Statistics Authority on the testing data, linked by somebody earlier. The lack of clarity in the data is very poor, and quite deliberate - it's not hard to separate out the measures.
They won't wait till Saturday - everybody's on holiday anyway.
"I’m a Senior Lecturer at a UK higher education institution currently stuck doing remote working amongst a group of typical identitarian, fair-trade, falafel-munching academics. It probably won’t surprise you to learn that my colleagues really don’t want this magic-money-tree-fuelled piss-about to end. They chirrup along quite happily to each other on Microsoft Teams about how it might bring down the “Tory Scum” Government and thus also cancel “racist Brexit”. Part of the ongoing appeal of the lockdown for them is the opportunity to spend all day safe at home baking Nordic-inspired loaf cakes, knocking out virtue-signalling blogs about sustainable living (whilst simultaneously planning their next foreign holiday, of course) and angrily taking to social media to demand more white deaths from COVID-19 as a form of reparation for colonial injustices. Okay, I might have made that last one up, but you get the idea. This has become a middle-class wet dream of what the revolutionary overthrow of capitalism would look like."
I suspect that more than a few school teachers share precisely the same attitudes. Indeed, they're probably even more radical, because they've effectively been converted into college lecturers themselves. Lockdown means that all they have to do is set lessons, mark work, and perhaps answer a few questions: all of the tedious slog of dealing with children's tears, temper tantrums, bullying, fighting and all the other disciplinary and pastoral issues has been dumped right back on the parents, and it will stay that way for so long as the children aren't allowed back into the classroom. Why would they want them back at all?
"I’m a Senior Lecturer at a UK higher education institution currently stuck doing remote working amongst a group of typical identitarian, fair-trade, falafel-munching academics. It probably won’t surprise you to learn that my colleagues really don’t want this magic-money-tree-fuelled piss-about to end. They chirrup along quite happily to each other on Microsoft Teams about how it might bring down the “Tory Scum” Government and thus also cancel “racist Brexit”. Part of the ongoing appeal of the lockdown for them is the opportunity to spend all day safe at home baking Nordic-inspired loaf cakes, knocking out virtue-signalling blogs about sustainable living (whilst simultaneously planning their next foreign holiday, of course) and angrily taking to social media to demand more white deaths from COVID-19 as a form of reparation for colonial injustices. Okay, I might have made that last one up, but you get the idea. This has become a middle-class wet dream of what the revolutionary overthrow of capitalism would look like."
I know quite a few academics and they are shitting themselves, most of them are expecting to be out of a job soon as the revenue from foreign students will dry up.
Prof O'Hara talked about something similar yesterday.
Whoever in government thinks it is a good idea to open up driving in England to anywhere else in England and in particular the beaches and parks including the Lake district is making a huge error
Travel should have been within a set limit, maybe 10 miles, and this policy is just wrong
I expect their ratings to sink futher if I am right and this is another self inflicted own goal like Hancock's 100, 000 tests
Maybe we should trust the people to do the right thing.
We did and they ignored it comprehensively
The result was that the car parking along the long stretches of Rhos to Old Colwyn were lost to all parking, including residents with tow truck signs. Nobody now parks near our beaches but the local residents just walk to them
I'm with Big G on this. It's not about the journey, it's about the destination. I live in probably the most popular coastal destination in the UK, and we expect to be inundated on the next warm Saturday; severe crowding will be impossible to stop, and virus spread looks high risk. Two other quick observations. The international comparisons graph was removed from the press conference today, and I don't imagine it will come back. Despite its shortcomings, I'd wager it would have stayed if it had showed a better picture. Not enough attention has been paid to the reprimand to Hancock from the UK Statistics Authority on the testing data, linked by somebody earlier. The lack of clarity in the data is very poor, and quite deliberate - it's not hard to separate out the measures.
They won't wait till Saturday - everybody's on holiday anyway.
Oh to see a parallel universe where Labour were in charge during all of this.
I imagine some of the people on here who are currently praising the Government's performance to the skies might not be so effusive in their praise.
Playing counterfactual for a moment, would Jeremy Corbyn (aged 70) have chosen to self-isolate? It would have been odd asking others to do so and not doing it himself so that leaves John McDonnell as the front man for the Government.
He wouldn't do a bad job with the presentation and, assuming he doesn't get sick himself, would do pretty well with the financial aspects. After all, everybody loves free money and everybody really loves the person dishing out the free money so McDonnell becomes a popular man.
We'd all know Jon Ashworth well by now - as Health Secretary he would also be front and centre in the communication war but we'd see the same scientific and medical experts who presumably would have doled out the same advice.
Would it have been different? Probably only at the margins I suspect.
Whoever in government thinks it is a good idea to open up driving in England to anywhere else in England and in particular the beaches and parks including the Lake district is making a huge error
Travel should have been within a set limit, maybe 10 miles, and this policy is just wrong
I expect their ratings to sink futher if I am right and this is another self inflicted own goal like Hancock's 100, 000 tests
Oh dont be so miserable- Driving anywhere is not a cause of transmission . In fact the more you drive the less likely you are to see anyone you know at the end of it so less likely to mix. Lots of misery and judging of others on here tonight.
With respect that is so naive
Why do you think North Wales police stop people at the English border
Given a chance Snowdonia and our beaches will be overwhelmed with day trippers and social distancing goes out of the window.
The same may well happen across England if we have good weather this weekend
It is not naive at all. By requiring people living in densely populated English cities to remain there, the Welsh Government is effectively telling people to instead mix far more closely in the very limited recreational space available to them in English public parks than would ever happen in Wales.
The incidence of CV in Gwynedd is amongst the lowest in the UK. One of the reasons is because there is so much public open space to go around in an area which has a low density of population even in the summer let alone now. At the moment I imagine that I could comply with social distancing on the 4km long stretch of sand between Tywyn and Aberdyfi (by my vacant holiday home) if I was required not to get within 200m of anyone else, never mind 2m. Sharing some of that excess space would reduce the risks to English people forced to remain at home in crowded cities, with no appreciable increase in risk to Welsh residents.
People should be required to social distance by 2m, and the role of government should be limited to ensuring that they do and requiring facilities to close only where they obviously can't. It's far easier to social distance on a Welsh beach than it is in a Welsh garden centre, but they're content to open the latter and put the former off limits. I detect a streak of nationalist populism in all this, Drakeford having decided that there are votes to be gained by having a go at people living in Birmingham.
You reference Gwynedd but the problem is far more acute in our part of North Wales and including Snowdonia, which are within less than one hour or two hours from Liverpool and Manchester. Before the police controlled our border we were overwhelmed with visitors both on our beaches and in Snowdonia making social distancing impossible
The fear for unrestricted driving in England must be for the Lake District, especially as Cumbria is struggling with covid, but also the Peak district, the West Country and myriads of English beaches.
Drakeford has been and is a disaster for Wales and the sooner he is gone, hopefully in Spring 2021, the better Wales will be
The answer to that is not to ban all visitors whereever they are going but to limit access to or if necessary close the very specific areas where visitors are congregating in extremely dense concentrations so that they disperse more widely. Not all beaches will be grossly overcrowded, it'll just be the ones in the middle of resorts. If it can't be avoided, close those beaches only. Close the car parking close by those beaches. Close specific visitor attractions. But don't close the whole of Wales.
There is plenty enough space in Wales to go around so don't restrict access to all of it.
And the point is that all this is relative, the recreational space in cities is very limited, and the overcrowding in cities is likely to be far worse if you coop everyone up there.
If the Welsh Tourist Board run a campaign in 2021 claiming that Wales is welcoming to English visitors, they'll be laughed at.
PS. I referenced Gwynedd because you mentioned Snowdonia.
Have we yet seen any comments from sensible Trade Union leaders?
I've seen the stuff from Mary Bousted (previously NUT heavily influenced by SWP for many years), and presumably FBU, UCU etc incoming, and McCluskey who bought Corbyn's Labour, and the boss of the TUC saying exactly what she has always said (big government, micromanagement, everything proceduralised to the nth, and more money for my members).
We don't really know the true number, though. I suspect it's somewhere between forty and fifty thousand and some of those who have recovered will suffer permanent health problems as a result.
Speaking to a few colleagues at a team chat this afternoon, those who watched the Hospital Special last night have become strong supporters of a continued lock down.
For all the statistics that most people under 50 are at little or no risk, it's still your life you're gambling not a tenner from your wallet and even the odds on survival aren't tempting enough for a lot of people to want to take the risk.
The assumption we'll all come charging out of our homes and spend money like water and queue for hours for our Big Mac fix and a haircut in order to make this a "V" shape recession is going to be challenged.
Oh to see a parallel universe where Labour were in charge during all of this.
I imagine some of the people on here who are currently praising the Government's performance to the skies might not be so effusive in their praise.
Playing counterfactual for a moment, would Jeremy Corbyn (aged 70) have chosen to self-isolate? It would have been odd asking others to do so and not doing it himself so that leaves John McDonnell as the front man for the Government.
He wouldn't do a bad job with the presentation and, assuming he doesn't get sick himself, would do pretty well with the financial aspects. After all, everybody loves free money and everybody really loves the person dishing out the free money so McDonnell becomes a popular man.
We'd all know Jon Ashworth well by now - as Health Secretary he would also be front and centre in the communication war but we'd see the same scientific and medical experts who presumably would have doled out the same advice.
Would it have been different? Probably only at the margins I suspect.
It would be quite different. The right would be complaining about socialism and civil liberties even if the govt followed the exact same policies.
Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey emailed employees on Tuesday telling them that they’d be allowed to work from home permanently, even after the coronavirus pandemic lockdown passes. Some jobs that require physical presence, such as maintaining servers, will still require employees to come in.
Whoever in government thinks it is a good idea to open up driving in England to anywhere else in England and in particular the beaches and parks including the Lake district is making a huge error
Travel should have been within a set limit, maybe 10 miles, and this policy is just wrong
I expect their ratings to sink futher if I am right and this is another self inflicted own goal like Hancock's 100, 000 tests
Oh dont be so miserable- Driving anywhere is not a cause of transmission . In fact the more you drive the less likely you are to see anyone you know at the end of it so less likely to mix. Lots of misery and judging of others on here tonight.
With respect that is so naive
Why do you think North Wales police stop people at the English border
Given a chance Snowdonia and our beaches will be overwhelmed with day trippers and social distancing goes out of the window.
The same may well happen across England if we have good weather this weekend
I think you said previously that there will be no closing of the border between Scotland & England. Can I just check on what the difference between closing a border and the police stopping people at the border?
The border is open for legitimate access to Wales but not tourist trips
Also this is temporary, in Independence it would be permanent
What is Welsh for 'razor wire'?
"I am not in the office at the moment. Send any work to be translated".
Starmer is more popular than Johnson at this moment, can he convert it into a election lead
Lol - can't wait for a "forensic" chat down the pub. Said nobody ever.
You might choose to chat with a stereotypical Etonian twat at the pub, and maybe find his inability to communicate quirky and amusing, but that doesn't mean that he should be PM. Give me a slightly less amusing professional anytime than a rank amateur who is nothing more than an international laughing stock.
Name the last "forensic" PM that won an election.
Gordon Brown was "forensic" off the end of the spectrum - got pumped at the polls.
Gordon Brown would make The Clown look competent. I always thought we would never see a worse PM than Brown in my lifetime. I was wrong, but this time, this completely unsuitable egocentric entitled twat is wearing a blue rosette. Public opinion will quickly catch up. Even your blinkers might start to fall off after another year of bluster, buffoonery and back-of-a-fag-packet incompetence from no.10. Any Tories with any analytical skill are shit scared of Starmer. He will slowly and surely make the public realise the obvious - Johnson is a charlatan and an incompetent, and a disgrace to the Conservative Party and the office he currently holds.
Not keen then.
Anything to do with Brexit maybe
Well, I could write an essay on that, but no, not entirely. His dishonest position on that subject is one factor, but the main reasons are substance and competence. This crisis has proved most Johnson-sceptic's worst fears were underestimates. I don't like Gove's views on Brexit, but at least the man has shown some competence in the departments he has run. Johnson is a car crash.
You have your view on Boris and it is shared by many
However, on covid I will give him the benefit of doubt and had no problem with his speech
The government are making mistakes and as I have said I reject the freedom of the road granted to the English, it is wrong
Time will tell and Boris will either win through or not, but he has an 80 seat majority so he has four years if he wants them, and his health holds up which I am not sure is a given, to succeed in taking the country through this crisis
The tragedy is that we now have one of the worst death rates in the world. It smacks of incompetence from a leadership that is not up to the job. The fact that you wish to give him the benefit of the doubt is probably virtuous, but how bad does it have to be before you might start to think it might happen to have something to do with his poor grasp of detail and general bad leadership?
Nobody is in a position to state with confidence that the UK has one of the worst death rates (from the virus) in the world. There is not enough (reliable) data.
Interesting how Boris fans have moved from "we're doing so much better than Italy and Spain" to to "the data can't be trusted" in a few short weeks!
The UK is still doing better than Italy and Spain on deaths per million
and what if even the gap with those 2 disappears as it is gradually doing? Will you then finally admit we have about the worst death rate in Europe or will you just be quoting Belgium?
"I’m a Senior Lecturer at a UK higher education institution currently stuck doing remote working amongst a group of typical identitarian, fair-trade, falafel-munching academics. It probably won’t surprise you to learn that my colleagues really don’t want this magic-money-tree-fuelled piss-about to end. They chirrup along quite happily to each other on Microsoft Teams about how it might bring down the “Tory Scum” Government and thus also cancel “racist Brexit”. Part of the ongoing appeal of the lockdown for them is the opportunity to spend all day safe at home baking Nordic-inspired loaf cakes, knocking out virtue-signalling blogs about sustainable living (whilst simultaneously planning their next foreign holiday, of course) and angrily taking to social media to demand more white deaths from COVID-19 as a form of reparation for colonial injustices. Okay, I might have made that last one up, but you get the idea. This has become a middle-class wet dream of what the revolutionary overthrow of capitalism would look like."
I suspect that more than a few school teachers share precisely the same attitudes. Indeed, they're probably even more radical, because they've effectively been converted into college lecturers themselves. Lockdown means that all they have to do is set lessons, mark work, and perhaps answer a few questions: all of the tedious slog of dealing with children's tears, temper tantrums, bullying, fighting and all the other disciplinary and pastoral issues has been dumped right back on the parents, and it will stay that way for so long as the children aren't allowed back into the classroom. Why would they want them back at all?
While it is true that there are some teachers that don't like children, the vast majority care deeply about their charges.
I do hope this supposed Lecturer is as fake as his self spoofing tirade. If s/he is genuine then I really feel sorry for someone so ill suited to the task of higher education.
We don't really know the true number, though. I suspect it's somewhere between forty and fifty thousand and some of those who have recovered will suffer permanent health problems as a result.
Speaking to a few colleagues at a team chat this afternoon, those who watched the Hospital Special last night have become strong supporters of a continued lock down.
For all the statistics that most people under 50 are at little or no risk, it's still your life you're gambling not a tenner from your wallet and even the odds on survival aren't tempting enough for a lot of people to want to take the risk.
The assumption we'll all come charging out of our homes and spend money like water and queue for hours for our Big Mac fix and a haircut in order to make this a "V" shape recession is going to be challenged.
"I’m a Senior Lecturer at a UK higher education institution currently stuck doing remote working amongst a group of typical identitarian, fair-trade, falafel-munching academics. It probably won’t surprise you to learn that my colleagues really don’t want this magic-money-tree-fuelled piss-about to end. They chirrup along quite happily to each other on Microsoft Teams about how it might bring down the “Tory Scum” Government and thus also cancel “racist Brexit”. Part of the ongoing appeal of the lockdown for them is the opportunity to spend all day safe at home baking Nordic-inspired loaf cakes, knocking out virtue-signalling blogs about sustainable living (whilst simultaneously planning their next foreign holiday, of course) and angrily taking to social media to demand more white deaths from COVID-19 as a form of reparation for colonial injustices. Okay, I might have made that last one up, but you get the idea. This has become a middle-class wet dream of what the revolutionary overthrow of capitalism would look like."
I suspect that more than a few school teachers share precisely the same attitudes. Indeed, they're probably even more radical, because they've effectively been converted into college lecturers themselves. Lockdown means that all they have to do is set lessons, mark work, and perhaps answer a few questions: all of the tedious slog of dealing with children's tears, temper tantrums, bullying, fighting and all the other disciplinary and pastoral issues has been dumped right back on the parents, and it will stay that way for so long as the children aren't allowed back into the classroom. Why would they want them back at all?
A parent would know that they have to deal with the children's tears, temper tantrums, bullying, fighting and all the other disciplinary and pastoral issues anyway. They're the parents. That's what they do. If they are suddenly thinking 'OMG, why do I have to deal with this?' it's because they are 'bad parents', not that the school isn't stepping up to the plate. The pastoral work has been adapted to fit the current model and it is even more interventionist in fact. For this country at least, if not overseas (internet censorship really does make things difficult. Their is trauma from fear of the situation, sometimes leading to motivation issues, sometimes to harm issues potentially. Our support staff are onto this every day. There are a fewwhose claims to have done the work when they haven't who come to realise just how closely we are monitoring their work across school in a way that has hitherto been little seen. No claims of 'I handed it in' when the online timetable pings up 'missed'. I had an email from a student about work after midnight recently, that gets fed back as there are concerns about overwork too. Then there are the live lessons and tutorials which are a cornerstone of this.
As for discipline, it reminds me of the recent story about the parent ringing up the school and demanding that they discipline their child down the phone. Some parents try and deny their own responsibility in this area, though I've lost count of the number of parents who are telling us 'now they understand'. That should help the parent/child relationship and it should help when they get back to school as parent and teacher will be in the same page.
"Government tells Sadiq Khan he must ‘ramp up’ Tube services ‘as quickly as possible’ as commuters warn getting to work is like a ‘suicide mission’ and thousands pack onto trains without masks"
Starmer is more popular than Johnson at this moment, can he convert it into a election lead
Lol - can't wait for a "forensic" chat down the pub. Said nobody ever.
You might choose to chat with a stereotypical Etonian twat at the pub, and maybe find his inability to communicate quirky and amusing, but that doesn't mean that he should be PM. Give me a slightly less amusing professional anytime than a rank amateur who is nothing more than an international laughing stock.
Name the last "forensic" PM that won an election.
Gordon Brown was "forensic" off the end of the spectrum - got pumped at the polls.
Gordon Brown would make The Clown look competent. I always thought we would never see a worse PM than Brown in my lifetime. I was wrong, but this time, this completely unsuitable egocentric entitled twat is wearing a blue rosette. Public opinion will quickly catch up. Even your blinkers might start to fall off after another year of bluster, buffoonery and back-of-a-fag-packet incompetence from no.10. Any Tories with any analytical skill are shit scared of Starmer. He will slowly and surely make the public realise the obvious - Johnson is a charlatan and an incompetent, and a disgrace to the Conservative Party and the office he currently holds.
Elections won
Boris 3 Brown 0
As for referendums...
Winning a few beauty contests against very ugly competition doesn't make you competent to run a country. It is one of the weaknesses of our system. Bozo's competition so far has been two washed up has-been lefties. He is no Churchill, no Thatcher. He is an empty chasm of a man that would say anything, do anything so that he can put the PM badge on his boy scout uniform. Eventually the country, with the exception of a few blinkered fanbois will have nothing but contempt for him, and rightly so.
Go, Nigel!
When it comes to BJ assessment on here you are the Carly Simon.
That 'Eventually' is doing a lot of work. Is it going to kick in before or after Boris' second landslide?
I would love to rule that out but I can't. He does appeal to many. He's the Mantovani of modern British politics.
Boris will always appeal to the hard Brexit, Leave voting pro WTO terms crowd, for them he can do no wrong.
Starmer has zero chance of winning them over, he needs to focus instead on uniting Remainers behind him and soft Leavers who would accept staying in the single market and are concerned about the government's Covid response
But that will be pretty irrelevant if Brexit has faded to be just a background issue of little interest beyond to a few stalwarts. I suspect it will be no more central to a 2024 election campaign than the Iraq War proved to be in 2010.
Brexit will not fade into the background as we will almost certainly be on WTO terms next year, so unless that is going well it will still be an issue.
The Iraq War only faded into the background as Brown withdrew UK forces from Iraq and after Blair left office
I strongly disagree. Starmer will not make a serious attempt to revive the issue, and whilst the LDs might seek to do so , few voters will be interested. Iraq was not a central issue even in 2005 - though its aftermath did drive many Labour voters to the LDs.
It all depends on what you mean by "Brexit". I agree that Labour won't be advocating re-joining, but there will be a big debate about quite where on the spectrum from full participation in the EEA to juche-style autarky the UK should aim to be as a permanent settlement.
Whoever in government thinks it is a good idea to open up driving in England to anywhere else in England and in particular the beaches and parks including the Lake district is making a huge error
Travel should have been within a set limit, maybe 10 miles, and this policy is just wrong
I expect their ratings to sink futher if I am right and this is another self inflicted own goal like Hancock's 100, 000 tests
Maybe we should trust the people to do the right thing.
Bozo tried that. They went on the lash.
Sorry? The public have surprised the government by complying with the lockdown to a far greater extent than they (the government) were expecting.
Whoever in government thinks it is a good idea to open up driving in England to anywhere else in England and in particular the beaches and parks including the Lake district is making a huge error
Travel should have been within a set limit, maybe 10 miles, and this policy is just wrong
I expect their ratings to sink futher if I am right and this is another self inflicted own goal like Hancock's 100, 000 tests
Oh dont be so miserable- Driving anywhere is not a cause of transmission . In fact the more you drive the less likely you are to see anyone you know at the end of it so less likely to mix. Lots of misery and judging of others on here tonight.
With respect that is so naive
Why do you think North Wales police stop people at the English border
Given a chance Snowdonia and our beaches will be overwhelmed with day trippers and social distancing goes out of the window.
The same may well happen across England if we have good weather this weekend
It is not naive at all. By requiring people living in densely populated English cities to remain there, the Welsh Government is effectively telling people to instead mix far more closely in the very limited recreational space available to them in English public parks than would ever happen in Wales.
The incidence of CV in Gwynedd is amongst the lowest in the UK. One of the reasons is because there is so much public open space to go around in an area which has a low density of population even in the summer let alone now. At the moment I imagine that I could comply with social distancing on the 4km long stretch of sand between Tywyn and Aberdyfi (by my vacant holiday home) if I was required not to get within 200m of anyone else, never mind 2m. Sharing some of that excess space would reduce the risks to English people forced to remain at home in crowded cities, with no appreciable increase in risk to Welsh residents.
People should be required to social distance by 2m, and the role of government should be limited to ensuring that they do and requiring facilities to close only where they obviously can't. It's far easier to social distance on a Welsh beach than it is in a Welsh garden centre, but they're content to open the latter and put the former off limits. I detect a streak of nationalist populism in all this, Drakeford having decided that there are votes to be gained by having a go at people living in Birmingham.
You reference Gwynedd but the problem is far more acute in our part of North Wales and including Snowdonia, which are within less than one hour or two hours from Liverpool and Manchester. Before the police controlled our border we were overwhelmed with visitors both on our beaches and in Snowdonia making social distancing impossible
The fear for unrestricted driving in England must be for the Lake District, especially as Cumbria is struggling with covid, but also the Peak district, the West Country and myriads of English beaches.
Drakeford has been and is a disaster for Wales and the sooner he is gone, hopefully in Spring 2021, the better Wales will be
The answer to that is not to ban all visitors whereever they are going but to limit access to or if necessary close the very specific areas where visitors are congregating in extremely dense concentrations so that they disperse more widely. Not all beaches will be grossly overcrowded, it'll just be the ones in the middle of resorts. If it can't be avoided, close those beaches only. Close the car parking close by those beaches. Close specific visitor attractions. But don't close the whole of Wales.
There is plenty enough space in Wales to go around so don't restrict access to all of it.
And the point is that all this is relative, the recreational space in cities is very limited, and the overcrowding in cities is likely to be far worse if you coop everyone up there.
If the Welsh Tourist Board run a campaign in 2021 claiming that Wales is welcoming to English visitors, they'll be laughed at.
PS. I referenced Gwynedd because you mentioned Snowdonia.
I have no problem with that, Drakeford does and we are closed to tourists
And my home town of Llandudno is hit the hardest in North Wales
I expect many in Wales will look on in envy of the English
Best comment I've seen about the schools reopening from a parents whatsapp group.
'So we're trusting schools to control a pandemic when they can't even control an outbreak of nits.'
Don't speak for all parents.
I'm desperate for nurseries to reopen and will send my daughter straight back in there.
I'm not, I know that I'm in a rare group that sees his kids living with their grandparents, one of whom has to shield.
My youngest had a bit of a emotional moment last week, the school organised a video call for his class and the teachers, which he loved, but afterwards he in a bits because he missed all his friends, but he told me not to worry because he can do this (lockdown) for his grandparents.
He's six, he shouldn't have to worry about things like this at his age.
Even for those of us who are doing ok with lockdown, it's going to have a huge impact on our children.
Lord knows the impact on those kids who were meant to be taking their exams this year are going through.
Whoever in government thinks it is a good idea to open up driving in England to anywhere else in England and in particular the beaches and parks including the Lake district is making a huge error
Travel should have been within a set limit, maybe 10 miles, and this policy is just wrong
I expect their ratings to sink futher if I am right and this is another self inflicted own goal like Hancock's 100, 000 tests
Maybe we should trust the people to do the right thing.
Bozo tried that. They went on the lash.
Sorry? The public have surprised the government by complying with the lockdown to a far greater extent than they (the government) were expecting.
I think the idea there's mass irresponsibility is a myth.
Have we yet seen any comments from sensible Trade Union leaders?
I've seen the stuff from Mary Bousted (previously NUT heavily influenced by SWP for many years), and presumably FBU, UCU etc incoming, and McCluskey who bought Corbyn's Labour, and the boss of the TUC saying exactly what she has always said (big government, micromanagement, everything proceduralised to the nth, and more money for my members).
Titter... when free money's possible, the government hasn't a leg to stand on.
"I’m a Senior Lecturer at a UK higher education institution currently stuck doing remote working amongst a group of typical identitarian, fair-trade, falafel-munching academics. It probably won’t surprise you to learn that my colleagues really don’t want this magic-money-tree-fuelled piss-about to end. They chirrup along quite happily to each other on Microsoft Teams about how it might bring down the “Tory Scum” Government and thus also cancel “racist Brexit”. Part of the ongoing appeal of the lockdown for them is the opportunity to spend all day safe at home baking Nordic-inspired loaf cakes, knocking out virtue-signalling blogs about sustainable living (whilst simultaneously planning their next foreign holiday, of course) and angrily taking to social media to demand more white deaths from COVID-19 as a form of reparation for colonial injustices. Okay, I might have made that last one up, but you get the idea. This has become a middle-class wet dream of what the revolutionary overthrow of capitalism would look like."
I know quite a few academics and they are shitting themselves, most of them are expecting to be out of a job soon as the revenue from foreign students will dry up.
Prof O'Hara talked about something similar yesterday.
Exactly, maybe the state system less so but, even there, there will be cutbacks to come. We've heard some rumbles about a hybrid model, taking the best of what we are doing now and allying it what was best practice in other areas previously. That may mean downsizing, a two tier workforce (mainly home/mainly school), maybe sharing with other schools online so that provision can be maintained for all subjects. It will be an exciting time in education. I was moving out of my current role soon but I can see where I might be tempted to continue in another way. Then again, experience costs, so the oldies might be shunted off anyway.
It's okay - @HYUFD has said taxes won't be increased and we'll just keep on borrowing.
They haven't done it yet. We'll see how the plans stand up when actually proposed. I'll assume they'll be content to do very token things on the basis they cannot afford to do more than make a dent anyway.
Asian and American students will pay tens of thousands for a university education. Europeans will pay a few thousand, and yes the UK is still in Europe. Which societies will win?
They are meeting tommorow, so not exactly holding things up. A clear set of health and safety conditions to make a return possible would seem a very sensible first step.
Unions are generally very good at Health and Safety. An employer who pressed workers into working in unsafe conditions would surely be quite vulnerable to the legal eagles. Some potentially very expensive suits.
Whoever in government thinks it is a good idea to open up driving in England to anywhere else in England and in particular the beaches and parks including the Lake district is making a huge error
Travel should have been within a set limit, maybe 10 miles, and this policy is just wrong
I expect their ratings to sink futher if I am right and this is another self inflicted own goal like Hancock's 100, 000 tests
Maybe we should trust the people to do the right thing.
Bozo tried that. They went on the lash.
Sorry? The public have surprised the government by complying with the lockdown to a far greater extent than they (the government) were expecting.
Pre lockdown. When the government tried to suggest what people should do. It failed. They went to the pub. They went to the Dales. They went to the coast.
Too many of our fellow citizens will only listen when someone is about to whack them with a big stick.
Golf courses fully booked for days in advance of opening tomorrow. People just want to get out now . Boris doing better than authoritarians in the other home nations
Asian and American students will pay tens of thousands for a university education. Europeans will pay a few thousand, and yes the UK is still in Europe. Which societies will win?
Have we yet seen any comments from sensible Trade Union leaders?
I've seen the stuff from Mary Bousted (previously NUT heavily influenced by SWP for many years), and presumably FBU, UCU etc incoming, and McCluskey who bought Corbyn's Labour, and the boss of the TUC saying exactly what she has always said (big government, micromanagement, everything proceduralised to the nth, and more money for my members).
"“While the ‘Roadmap’ does have clear logic and science behind it, the lack of detail in the strategy leaves members deeply worried.
"The health, safety, and wellbeing of all children and staff in schools, colleges and nurseries must be paramount.
"It is also essential that a reliable test, track and trace system is in place before schools and nurseries can accept more pupils and children.
"Success of this strategy requires teachers, support staff, early education and childcare workers, and parents to be confident that they and all pupils will be safe. It is therefore essential that there is transparency about the scientific and medical evidence on which the decisions and guidance are based and that they are clearly and quickly communicated.
"Although we appreciate the logic of the recently published guidance, we have a number of concerns about the practicalities, and how some aspects can be achieved.
"The aspiration that all primary children will have a month of education before the end of this academic year is, we believe, unrealistic, and reduces the phase period to three weeks. It also increases the planning burden on schools and staff, increasing their already demanding and large workload."
These are not pinko lefties. Used to be called PAT (Professional Association of Teachers)
Whoever in government thinks it is a good idea to open up driving in England to anywhere else in England and in particular the beaches and parks including the Lake district is making a huge error
Travel should have been within a set limit, maybe 10 miles, and this policy is just wrong
I expect their ratings to sink futher if I am right and this is another self inflicted own goal like Hancock's 100, 000 tests
Maybe we should trust the people to do the right thing.
Bozo tried that. They went on the lash.
Sorry? The public have surprised the government by complying with the lockdown to a far greater extent than they (the government) were expecting.
I think the idea there's mass irresponsibility is a myth.
18% are breaking the rules according to this evening's press briefing.
Comments
The Iraq War only faded into the background by 2010 as Brown replaced Blair as PM and withdrew UK combat forces from Iraq by mid 2009. Obama also having replaced Bush as US President by then too
Iraq was not a central issue even in 2005 - though its aftermath did drive many Labour voters to the LDs.
Starmer will not try and reverse Brexit but he will almost certainly push rejoining the single market which Boris will oppose
Or £8m a month for those 8 months.
Two other quick observations. The international comparisons graph was removed from the press conference today, and I don't imagine it will come back. Despite its shortcomings, I'd wager it would have stayed if it had showed a better picture.
Not enough attention has been paid to the reprimand to Hancock from the UK Statistics Authority on the testing data, linked by somebody earlier. The lack of clarity in the data is very poor, and quite deliberate - it's not hard to separate out the measures.
It's like the mile high club, but only requires half the number of participants.
Heading to the park for a ciggy and a natter is probably lots of people's idea of exercise though.
Shows what the public thought of your lot.
Re topic - It is, undoubtedly.
The real cost is more like 50bn per month though. (My estimate)
https://twitter.com/kevverage/status/1260290844655001601
https://lockdownsceptics.org
Also this is temporary, in Independence it would be permanent
I would hope those on furlough make good use of their extra free time - they're likely to regret the missed opportunity if they don't.
https://twitter.com/PoliticsReid/status/1260268506467176450
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/12/boy-14-becomes-first-british-child-die-disease-thought-linked/
i believe there have been several deaths in USA too
The statistics of interest for me today were first 44% of employed adults working at home compared with 12% this time last year. It may well be between a quarter to a third of employed adults will be working at home even once this is over and that would mark a significant shift in working patterns.
The transport figures are only up to Sunday and illustrate (surprisingly to some) lower vehicular traffic over the Bank Holiday weekend and both tube and train passenger numbers still very low.
It will be fascinating to see those numbers in the coming days.
https://news.avclub.com/bryan-adams-apologizes-for-blaming-covid-19-on-bat-eat-1843416617
I know quite a few academics and they are shitting themselves, most of them are expecting to be out of a job soon as the revenue from foreign students will dry up.
Prof O'Hara talked about something similar yesterday.
https://twitter.com/gsoh31/status/1259883763212922880
https://twitter.com/gsoh31/status/1259884284862742530
https://twitter.com/gsoh31/status/1259884812585795584
51 people being sensible.
Playing counterfactual for a moment, would Jeremy Corbyn (aged 70) have chosen to self-isolate? It would have been odd asking others to do so and not doing it himself so that leaves John McDonnell as the front man for the Government.
He wouldn't do a bad job with the presentation and, assuming he doesn't get sick himself, would do pretty well with the financial aspects. After all, everybody loves free money and everybody really loves the person dishing out the free money so McDonnell becomes a popular man.
We'd all know Jon Ashworth well by now - as Health Secretary he would also be front and centre in the communication war but we'd see the same scientific and medical experts who presumably would have doled out the same advice.
Would it have been different? Probably only at the margins I suspect.
There is plenty enough space in Wales to go around so don't restrict access to all of it.
And the point is that all this is relative, the recreational space in cities is very limited, and the overcrowding in cities is likely to be far worse if you coop everyone up there.
If the Welsh Tourist Board run a campaign in 2021 claiming that Wales is welcoming to English visitors, they'll be laughed at.
PS. I referenced Gwynedd because you mentioned Snowdonia.
I've seen the stuff from Mary Bousted (previously NUT heavily influenced by SWP for many years), and presumably FBU, UCU etc incoming, and McCluskey who bought Corbyn's Labour, and the boss of the TUC saying exactly what she has always said (big government, micromanagement, everything proceduralised to the nth, and more money for my members).
Speaking to a few colleagues at a team chat this afternoon, those who watched the Hospital Special last night have become strong supporters of a continued lock down.
For all the statistics that most people under 50 are at little or no risk, it's still your life you're gambling not a tenner from your wallet and even the odds on survival aren't tempting enough for a lot of people to want to take the risk.
The assumption we'll all come charging out of our homes and spend money like water and queue for hours for our Big Mac fix and a haircut in order to make this a "V" shape recession is going to be challenged.
https://twitter.com/cyclingkev/status/1260137852396015622?s=19
'So we're trusting schools to control a pandemic when they can't even control an outbreak of nits.'
I do hope this supposed Lecturer is as fake as his self spoofing tirade. If s/he is genuine then I really feel sorry for someone so ill suited to the task of higher education.
Probably a PE teacher...
I'm desperate for nurseries to reopen and will send my daughter straight back in there.
Perhaps that is our future.
OTOH,
2 people in a car one infected , 2 m apart , Volume 2 m3 no ventilation , t=30 mins Fresh uncontaminated air at the start
No masks ID=1078p, t 30 mins (very likely infection)
Non infected wearing surgical mask ID=177p, t 30 mins (almost 20% chance infectious dose)
Non infected wearing FFP3 ID=11p, t 30 mins
For both using surgical mask ID=58p, t 30 mins
Both using cloth mask ID=396p, t 30 mins (40 % chance of infectious dose)
Quoted from a recent study
As for discipline, it reminds me of the recent story about the parent ringing up the school and demanding that they discipline their child down the phone. Some parents try and deny their own responsibility in this area, though I've lost count of the number of parents who are telling us 'now they understand'. That should help the parent/child relationship and it should help when they get back to school as parent and teacher will be in the same page.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8310459/Tube-suicide-mission-complain-commuters-Thousands-commuters-pack-London-Underground.html
Whenever I see someone wearing a mask I think "nob".
It's socially isolating, dystopian and a bit twattish.
How very dare they!
And my home town of Llandudno is hit the hardest in North Wales
I expect many in Wales will look on in envy of the English
My youngest had a bit of a emotional moment last week, the school organised a video call for his class and the teachers, which he loved, but afterwards he in a bits because he missed all his friends, but he told me not to worry because he can do this (lockdown) for his grandparents.
He's six, he shouldn't have to worry about things like this at his age.
Even for those of us who are doing ok with lockdown, it's going to have a huge impact on our children.
Lord knows the impact on those kids who were meant to be taking their exams this year are going through.
But I wouldn't anywear else. They are twattish.
Brain-dead unions flexing their muscle at the expense of the kids for their usual political bullshit.
https://twitter.com/kieranpandrews/status/1260241641740402689?s=21
Unions are generally very good at Health and Safety. An employer who pressed workers into working in unsafe conditions would surely be quite vulnerable to the legal eagles. Some potentially very expensive suits.
Too many of our fellow citizens will only listen when someone is about to whack them with a big stick.
https://www.voicetheunion.org.uk/news-media-issues/voice-comments-government-guidance-wider-opening-education-and-childcare-settings
"“While the ‘Roadmap’ does have clear logic and science behind it, the lack of detail in the strategy leaves members deeply worried.
"The health, safety, and wellbeing of all children and staff in schools, colleges and nurseries must be paramount.
"It is also essential that a reliable test, track and trace system is in place before schools and nurseries can accept more pupils and children.
"Success of this strategy requires teachers, support staff, early education and childcare workers, and parents to be confident that they and all pupils will be safe. It is therefore essential that there is transparency about the scientific and medical evidence on which the decisions and guidance are based and that they are clearly and quickly communicated.
"Although we appreciate the logic of the recently published guidance, we have a number of concerns about the practicalities, and how some aspects can be achieved.
"The aspiration that all primary children will have a month of education before the end of this academic year is, we believe, unrealistic, and reduces the phase period to three weeks. It also increases the planning burden on schools and staff, increasing their already demanding and large workload."
These are not pinko lefties. Used to be called PAT (Professional Association of Teachers)