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  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    fitalass said:

    Treasury team having a good day at the despatch box, a very strong line up of junior Ministers on show too.

    JackW said:

    The HoC having fun at Ed Balls expense.

    Titters ....

    Quite so.

    IDS now up answering an Emergency Question on Universal Credit.

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411
    edited December 2013
    It's ashame there were no overflow stadiums for Lady T's death. Hillsborough anyone :D ?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,155
    edited December 2013
    taffys said:

    think it fair to say that it would have been a lot more organised under white rule.

    I'm sure they'd have loved to organise Mandela's funeral!

    'Died peacefully in sleep; small, private funeral, no flowers, ashes to be collected by family'
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    I can never work out how Maggie, a small woman, keeps getting the blame for cramming all those Liverpool supporters into Hillsborough..
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    According to the BBC, the world was mourning. Clearly not.
    SeanT said:

    AndyJS said:

    "Tim Marshall ‏@Skytwitius 45m

    Mandela Memorial. The 3 'spillover' stadiums are empty. http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/person-walks-in-an-empty-tribune-of-orlando-stadium-in-news-photo/454637499 …"


    twitter.com/Skytwitius/status/410375951818559488

    Incredible disconnect between Global Guardianista expectations and Actual Reality.
  • R0bertsR0berts Posts: 391
    SeanT said:

    AndyJS said:

    "Tim Marshall ‏@Skytwitius 45m

    Mandela Memorial. The 3 'spillover' stadiums are empty. http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/person-walks-in-an-empty-tribune-of-orlando-stadium-in-news-photo/454637499 …"


    twitter.com/Skytwitius/status/410375951818559488

    Incredible disconnect between Global Guardianista expectations and Actual Reality.
    Global Guardianista, eh? That's a new one.

    Think it's more to do with the rain, it being a work day, and mismanagement by the SA Government than lack of affection for the great man.

    But if you want to read other things into it for reasons of your own, that's your bag.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    edited December 2013
    Oops, definitely no need for more vinegar. My biggest current concern right now is how the Indy debate is becoming more divisiveness among Scots, and this can only become more stark and nasty as the Indy Ref nears. I also hope that the Commonwealth games are a success and well attended, but I haven't invested the political capital into their success that Salmond and the SNP have done. So I can also understand why you are so touchy and intolerant of any criticism towards the outcome or success of the games.

    fitalass said:

    Totally agree TessyC.

    tessyC said:

    Watching the Mandela memorial leaves me thinking we are lucky we have such national occasions in St Pauls and Westminster Abbey.

    Would you like more vinegar for those chips?

    TGOHF said:


    That should cheer up Glasgow - their 25% of tickets unsold for the opening of Commonwealth Games ceremony doesn't look so bad now.

    It's heartwarming that you're so desperately keen to see everything that happens in Scotland fail (outwith the walls of Newco Towers of course, though they're certainly no strangers to failure).

    Weren't you taught that it was rude to butt into a conversation (particularly when you have absolutely nothing to say)? Just so I can get an insight into collective Unionist psychology, do you think it would be a good thing if the opening ceremony for the Glasgow games was 25% empty?

  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Jacob Zuma to speak shortly.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    edited December 2013
    malcolmg said:

    fitalass said:

    Totally agree TessyC.

    tessyC said:

    Watching the Mandela memorial leaves me thinking we are lucky we have such national occasions in St Pauls and Westminster Abbey.

    Would you like more vinegar for those chips?

    TGOHF said:


    That should cheer up Glasgow - their 25% of tickets unsold for the opening of Commonwealth Games ceremony doesn't look so bad now.

    It's heartwarming that you're so desperately keen to see everything that happens in Scotland fail (outwith the walls of Newco Towers of course, though they're certainly no strangers to failure).

    Weren't you taught that it was rude to butt into a conversation (particularly when you have absolutely nothing to say)? Just so I can get an insight into collective Unionist psychology, do you think it would be a good thing if the opening ceremony for the Glasgow games was 25% empty?

    TUD, as a typical unionist she would love it , prove how great London was with their £10 billion spent as opposed to us having to self fund. They love to see Scotland failing it suits their pysche.

    There is a reason why Hampden will be fuller for the closing ceremony. Can your Nat mind figure it out ? Had the opening ceremony been in Hampden it would already be sold out.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411
    God Bless the most important black person who died this decade.

    RIP Michael Jackson.
  • Pulpstar said:

    God Bless the most important black person who died this decade.

    RIP Michael Jackson.

    Err, two problems with that, he died in the previous decade, not this decade.

    Secondly, was he black?
  • TGOHF said:

    malcolmg said:

    fitalass said:

    Totally agree TessyC.

    tessyC said:

    Watching the Mandela memorial leaves me thinking we are lucky we have such national occasions in St Pauls and Westminster Abbey.

    Would you like more vinegar for those chips?

    TGOHF said:


    That should cheer up Glasgow - their 25% of tickets unsold for the opening of Commonwealth Games ceremony doesn't look so bad now.

    It's heartwarming that you're so desperately keen to see everything that happens in Scotland fail (outwith the walls of Newco Towers of course, though they're certainly no strangers to failure).

    Weren't you taught that it was rude to butt into a conversation (particularly when you have absolutely nothing to say)? Just so I can get an insight into collective Unionist psychology, do you think it would be a good thing if the opening ceremony for the Glasgow games was 25% empty?

    TUD, as a typical unionist she would love it , prove how great London was with their £10 billion spent as opposed to us having to self fund. They love to see Scotland failing it suits their pysche.

    There is a reason why Hampden will be fuller for the closing ceremony. Can your Nat mind figure it out ? Had the opening ceremony been in Hampden it would already be sold out.
    Sectarian prejudice?

  • Blimey, what's with all the bile from you Scottish Nationalists? 'unionist loser', 'as a typical unionist... They love to see Scotland failing it suits their pysche', 'you have absolutely nothing to say', and that's just on this page of comments.

    I know most of my posts have been about the independence referendum, but I really don't have a strong preference for one outcome or the other. It's just I'm fascinated by the amount of scorn being poured out by some of the Nationalists here, and by their reluctance to engage with the (what seem to me) substantive arguments in favour of retaining the Union.
  • Pulpstar said:

    God Bless the most important black person who died this decade.

    RIP Michael Jackson.

    Err, two problems with that, he died in the previous decade, not this decade.

    Secondly, was he black?
    Yes he WAS black :)
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    TGOHF said:

    malcolmg said:

    fitalass said:

    Totally agree TessyC.

    tessyC said:

    Watching the Mandela memorial leaves me thinking we are lucky we have such national occasions in St Pauls and Westminster Abbey.

    Would you like more vinegar for those chips?

    TGOHF said:


    That should cheer up Glasgow - their 25% of tickets unsold for the opening of Commonwealth Games ceremony doesn't look so bad now.

    It's heartwarming that you're so desperately keen to see everything that happens in Scotland fail (outwith the walls of Newco Towers of course, though they're certainly no strangers to failure).

    Weren't you taught that it was rude to butt into a conversation (particularly when you have absolutely nothing to say)? Just so I can get an insight into collective Unionist psychology, do you think it would be a good thing if the opening ceremony for the Glasgow games was 25% empty?

    TUD, as a typical unionist she would love it , prove how great London was with their £10 billion spent as opposed to us having to self fund. They love to see Scotland failing it suits their pysche.

    There is a reason why Hampden will be fuller for the closing ceremony. Can your Nat mind figure it out ? Had the opening ceremony been in Hampden it would already be sold out.
    Sectarian prejudice?

    Sorry - "government corruption" was the correct answer.
  • (what seem to me)

    It's great when people answer their own questions.
    Come on then, what are the substantive arguments on this thread which have not been engaged with?

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411
    Ed Miliband would do well to listen to this reception Jacob Zuma is getting. He can expect the same circa 2017.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,133
    edited December 2013
    SeanT said:

    AndyJS said:

    "Tim Marshall ‏@Skytwitius 45m

    Mandela Memorial. The 3 'spillover' stadiums are empty. http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/person-walks-in-an-empty-tribune-of-orlando-stadium-in-news-photo/454637499 …"


    twitter.com/Skytwitius/status/410375951818559488

    Incredible disconnect between Global Guardianista expectations and Actual Reality.
    I love the way our resident Primrose Hill lefty, SeanT, adopts this goose-stepping, Sieg Heiling persona on PB (and on the DT, natch)! Keep up the good work :)
  • AveryLP said:

    Gord has arrived.

    Where is Ed?

    Are you there, George? Posting on PB from South Africa?
    Cool!
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815

    AveryLP said:

    Gord has arrived.

    Where is Ed?

    Are you there, George? Posting on PB from South Africa?
    Cool!
    Caught the blue train to the Cape, Sunil.

    Trust you to notice.

  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    Twitter
    Paul Waugh ‏@paulwaugh 7s
    Memorial organisers getting musicians to strike up a song to cover the boos for Zuma (+ local TV apparently cut to ad break) so embarrassing

    chris g ‏@chrisg0000 41s
    S.Africa demonstrating how not to pay tribute to the dearly departed. I'm not religious but events like this best held in Church. #Mandela
  • AveryLP said:

    AveryLP said:

    Gord has arrived.

    Where is Ed?

    Are you there, George? Posting on PB from South Africa?
    Cool!
    Caught the blue train to the Cape, Sunil.

    Trust you to notice.

    Have a nice time over there, George!
  • Not sure how anyone can "grieve" the death of a 95 year old bloke. He lived a long and unbelievably good life, achieved what he set out to achieve and died in peace surrounded by his family. That is the way to go, surely. I'd take that, with Keith Floyd's last supper beforehand.

    Also, it's as if everyone has been waiting and preparing for this day for a long time. There is no element of shock or of suddenness. And the funeral is yet to come.
  • TGOHF said:


    Sorry - "government corruption" was the correct answer.

    Don't be bitter Harry, they were never going to choose the stadium of a diddy league 1 team.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    TGOHF said:


    Sorry - "government corruption" was the correct answer.

    Don't be bitter Harry, they were never going to choose the stadium of a diddy league 1 team.
    They have - for the rugby 7s.

    Why didn't they choose Hampden for the opening ceremony ?

    Answers on the back of the season tickets held by 11 Glasgow Councillors.
  • Labour uncut = Dan Hodges x2?

    The fundamentals of politics do not change. Voters generally make their electoral choice on the basis of who they feel is best suited to be prime minister and which party they feel is the most economically competent.

    No opposition has ever won an election while being behind on both economic competence and leadership. In today’s ICM poll, David Cameron and George Osborne are favoured on the economy over Ed Miliband and Ed Balls by 39% to 23%, a lead of 16%. In last week’s YouGov poll which asked about prime ministerial preference, David Cameron led Ed Miliband by 34% to 23% – a 9% gap.
    ..
    Unless headway can be made on the economy and leadership, history suggests Her Majesty’s Opposition in 2013 faces a similar fate to its predecessor in 2000.



    http://labour-uncut.co.uk/2013/12/10/labours-poll-lead-is-slipping-again-heres-why/#more-17561
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    This so called Memorial Service for Mandela was never going to be about him, It has always been a "Bigging Up" operation for Zuma.
  • Classy...

    Labour Press Team‏@labourpress7m
    . @Ed_Miliband coming up on @SkyNews news shortly from the #MandelaMemorial
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411
    Eleanor Parker death is top of BBC's most read...
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633



    No opposition has ever won an election while being behind on both economic competence and leadership. In today’s ICM poll, David Cameron and George Osborne are favoured on the economy over Ed Miliband and Ed Balls by 39% to 23%, a lead of 16%. In last week’s YouGov poll which asked about prime ministerial preference, David Cameron led Ed Miliband by 34% to 23% – a 9% gap.
    1

    Is that stat true ?
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Of the party leaders xmas cards Clegg's shows the only overtly political note as on the sofa he's quite clearly moved to the left :

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-25289746
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited December 2013
    Carney and Osborne seem to have their finger on the pulse.

    The Royal Institute of Chartered Surveyors has reported a decline in the rate of house price increases in November, concluding that the likely annual price increase for 2013 will be 3%. RICS survey respondents are also estimating a maximum of 5% annual increase for house prices over the next five years.

    What appears to be driving price rises is a higher growth in buyer inquiries when compared to instructions to sell. The tension of this difference is likely to abate as prices across the country rise above their 2007 levels and sellers are no longer restrained from putting their properties on the market by the prospect of nominal losses on sales.

    Early days yet but it does seem that George, Danny and Mark have the housing market under as much control as the rest of the economy.

    It is lucky tim is in mourning today as this news would really dampen his spirits.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    "Thabani mnhlauyo ‏@thabsss 43s

    FNB Stadium #Mandela memorial service , the crowd greets Zuma with loud booos #Headline"


    twitter.com/thabsss/status/410399145338621954
  • TGOHF said:



    No opposition has ever won an election while being behind on both economic competence and leadership. In today’s ICM poll, David Cameron and George Osborne are favoured on the economy over Ed Miliband and Ed Balls by 39% to 23%, a lead of 16%. In last week’s YouGov poll which asked about prime ministerial preference, David Cameron led Ed Miliband by 34% to 23% – a 9% gap.
    1

    Is that stat true ?
    Well this time it's not a Dan Hodges provided stat but I'm sure a PBred will trot along soon to sink it if it's not.... silence however will be telling...
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,568
    From my day job (though the grammar is the BBC's, not mine - afflicted=inflicted etc.)

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-25302849
  • Pulpstar said:

    Ed Miliband would do well to listen to this reception Jacob Zuma is getting. He can expect the same circa 2017.

    People learnt from Osborne's visit to the Paralympics
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqM0Ube0oLs

    Miliband will be glad to learn something, no matter what, from the Master's Apprentice, Lol.
  • TGOHF said:



    No opposition has ever won an election while being behind on both economic competence and leadership. In today’s ICM poll, David Cameron and George Osborne are favoured on the economy over Ed Miliband and Ed Balls by 39% to 23%, a lead of 16%. In last week’s YouGov poll which asked about prime ministerial preference, David Cameron led Ed Miliband by 34% to 23% – a 9% gap.
    1

    Is that stat true ?
    I'm researching it and may do the morning thread on it tomorrow.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Channel 4 News not afraid to report the booing that Zuma has encountered:

    twitter.com/Channel4News/status/410391609906196481

    Channel 4 News ‏@Channel4News 35m

    The crowd continue to boo as President Zuma takes to the stage - watch live http://bitly.com/1d6clr3 #c4news"
  • (what seem to me)

    It's great when people answer their own questions.
    Come on then, what are the substantive arguments on this thread which have not been engaged with?
    I didn't mean it was specifically on this thread that the Unionist arguments had been raised but not addressed, but I was referring to the issues around currency and EU / NATO membership, primarily. The vast bulk of the Nationalist rebuttal (on PB.com I mean) of the Unionist points has been based on ridicule and bluster, ISTM (like that 'too poor, too wee, too broke to go independent' mantra). Not on a rational countering of the points raised.
  • SeanT said:

    Thank God the crowd had such innate respect for Madiba or this might have been a bit embarrassing.

    Exuberant lot the South Africans; they celebrate the life of Mandela, rather than mourn his passing.

    However, juxtaposed with the sombre and be suited great and good – it does look a little odd.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,155
    edited December 2013
    TGOHF said:

    Answers on the back of the season tickets held by 11 Glasgow Councillors.

    Labour & Unionist councillors, Harry. Those boys are yours, lock, stock and pork barrel.
  • New Thread
  • SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Thank God the crowd had such innate respect for Madiba or this might have been a bit embarrassing.

    Exuberant lot the South Africans; they celebrate the life of Mandela, rather than mourn his passing.

    However, juxtaposed with the sombre and be suited great and good – it does look a little odd.
    They were so exuberant they celebrated his life by walking out halfway through his memorial service?

    Moipone Moleli ‏@Iam_Moipone 53m
    Uhlazo!!!"@__Senz: The fact that people are leaving before the memorial service is over is even more embarassing. #MandelaMemorial"

    Oh...!
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,500

    TGOHF said:

    malcolmg said:

    fitalass said:

    Totally agree TessyC.

    tessyC said:

    Watching the Mandela memorial leaves me thinking we are lucky we have such national occasions in St Pauls and Westminster Abbey.

    Would you like more vinegar for those chips?

    TGOHF said:


    That should cheer up Glasgow - their 25% of tickets unsold for the opening of Commonwealth Games ceremony doesn't look so bad now.

    It's heartwarming that you're so desperately keen to see everything that happens in Scotland fail (outwith the walls of Newco Towers of course, though they're certainly no strangers to failure).

    Weren't you taught that it was rude to butt into a conversation (particularly when you have absolutely nothing to say)? Just so I can get an insight into collective Unionist psychology, do you think it would be a good thing if the opening ceremony for the Glasgow games was 25% empty?

    TUD, as a typical unionist she would love it , prove how great London was with their £10 billion spent as opposed to us having to self fund. They love to see Scotland failing it suits their pysche.

    There is a reason why Hampden will be fuller for the closing ceremony. Can your Nat mind figure it out ? Had the opening ceremony been in Hampden it would already be sold out.
    Sectarian prejudice?

    All in his tiny mind, desperately sad
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