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edited April 2020 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » As we start the Easter Weekend welcome to tonight’s PB Nighthawks Cafe

Normally the Thursday afternoon and evening before Good Friday is just about the busiest it gets on the roads during the year. Huge traffic jams build up on the roads and it can be mighty frustrating. Well today has been different. Everything is so different this year.

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  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,999
    edited April 2020
    First 'cos the roads are clear.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,149
    Is it particularly busy around this holiday normally compared to others? I had no idea. It's all the rich buggers on here going on holiday all the time.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,999
    Can you get brain Covid?

    https://twitter.com/andrew_lilico/status/1248191695759519744?s=20
  • TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052
    Hopefully this dumb ass nonsense won’t reach England.

    https://twitter.com/iealondon/status/1248354250209611783?s=21
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,366
    An impressive Horizon programme on BBC2 has just finished. An hour of Covid-19 that was both informative and digestible. Even an Oxford PPE graduate could follow it. Well done.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,149
    Andy_JS said:

    "Dr. Anthony Fauci: Virus death toll may be ‘more like 60,000 than 100,000 to 200,000’"

    https://www.today.com/video/dr-anthony-fauci-virus-death-toll-may-be-more-like-60-000-than-100-00-to-200-000-81825861735

    This could mean the UK figure will be around 12,000, since our population is 5 times less than the USA.

    It'll be more than that in a week or so.

    Remember that the redition in the US estimates, assuming reasonableness, were taking account of latest measures. Our pretty optimistic prediction of 20000 was already supposed to be if we did very well.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,149
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Can you get brain Covid?

    https://twitter.com/andrew_lilico/status/1248191695759519744?s=20

    There's only man who might understand what that's saying - Donald Trump.
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,951
    TGOHF666 said:

    Hopefully this dumb ass nonsense won’t reach England.

    https://twitter.com/iealondon/status/1248354250209611783?s=21

    This is worth pulling out from that report:

    "Those on below-average incomes have been hit hardest, with those in the bottom income group increasing their expenditure on alcohol by 11 per cent."

    An awful policy that has managed to make the lives of the miserable even worse.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    edited April 2020
    Andy_JS said:

    "Dr. Anthony Fauci: Virus death toll may be ‘more like 60,000 than 100,000 to 200,000’"

    https://www.today.com/video/dr-anthony-fauci-virus-death-toll-may-be-more-like-60-000-than-100-00-to-200-000-81825861735

    This could mean the UK figure will be around 12,000, since our population is 5 times less than the USA.

    There is square root of f##k all chance we are getting away with 12,000. I don't think we are keeping it below 20,000 either (especially if we include all the care home deaths).
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    Why the hell are the US still doing in person daily press conferences? Have they never heard of Microsoft Teams?
  • glwglw Posts: 9,908
    kyf_100 said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    Hopefully this dumb ass nonsense won’t reach England.

    https://twitter.com/iealondon/status/1248354250209611783?s=21

    This is worth pulling out from that report:

    "Those on below-average incomes have been hit hardest, with those in the bottom income group increasing their expenditure on alcohol by 11 per cent."

    An awful policy that has managed to make the lives of the miserable even worse.

    Alcoholics will give up food before they give up drink.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,708
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Can you get brain Covid?

    https://twitter.com/andrew_lilico/status/1248191695759519744?s=20

    It's a relief that normal service has resumed. Lilico said a few dangerously rational things recently.
  • TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052
    glw said:

    kyf_100 said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    Hopefully this dumb ass nonsense won’t reach England.

    https://twitter.com/iealondon/status/1248354250209611783?s=21

    This is worth pulling out from that report:

    "Those on below-average incomes have been hit hardest, with those in the bottom income group increasing their expenditure on alcohol by 11 per cent."

    An awful policy that has managed to make the lives of the miserable even worse.

    Alcoholics will give up food before they give up drink.
    Not all people on low income are alcoholics.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,002
    https://twitter.com/MattChorley/status/1248360110835011584
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935
    Scott_xP said:

    https://twitter.com/MattChorley/status/1248360110835011584

    Was the Guardian after a gotcha moment I wonder?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720
    AlastairMeeks said:

    On Robert Jenrick: I popped round with my partner to see mum yesterday. We sat in her back garden two metres apart from her. She was jittery that she was breaking the law even though it had been our decision and we were on her property appropriately socially distanced throughout. She appreciated the company.

    If a son goes round his parents to see they’re ok, that’s more than ok by me. This period is bad enough without busybodies making it worse.

    Well, at least all the supporters of Jenrick stuck up for Stephen Kinnock the other week, or where would we be?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    edited April 2020
    Scott_xP said:

    twitter.com/MattChorley/status/1248360110835011584

    Now about the press being absolute dicks in this crisis....

    If he had been caught going on a 300 mile round trip jolly to the lake district, wells that's totally a different matter. Instead, clearly some curtain twitcher has dobbed him into the Guardian and they decided to run it regardless.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,482
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Can you get brain Covid?

    https://twitter.com/andrew_lilico/status/1248191695759519744?s=20

    If you can, I feel Andrew is low risk.
  • TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052
    The Guardian is turning into a nasty tabloid for Jew haters.
  • MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Dr. Anthony Fauci: Virus death toll may be ‘more like 60,000 than 100,000 to 200,000’"

    https://www.today.com/video/dr-anthony-fauci-virus-death-toll-may-be-more-like-60-000-than-100-00-to-200-000-81825861735

    This could mean the UK figure will be around 12,000, since our population is 5 times less than the USA.

    There is square root of f##k all chance we are getting away with 12,000. I don't think we are keeping it below 20,000 either (especially if we include all the care home deaths).
    To pedantise* on something I know you know full well, the square root of a near-zero positive number is ... a slightly larger positive number...

    We should probably say something like "the cube of naff-all" but it doesn't sound as good!

    Don't think your numerical prediction is going to be proven wrong though.

    * Astonishingly (to me) this word is in the dictionary, which has pretty much made my day. It's been that kind of day.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Scott_xP said:

    twitter.com/MattChorley/status/1248360110835011584

    Now about the press being absolute dicks in this crisis....

    If he had been caught going on a 300 mile round trip jolly to the lake district, wells that's totally a different matter.
    He's apparently "facing questions" according to the Guardian.

    What, for being a compassionate human and helping out his mum and dad who needed shopping and medication? Quite right, that kind of person doesn't belong in the Tory party.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,708
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Dr. Anthony Fauci: Virus death toll may be ‘more like 60,000 than 100,000 to 200,000’"

    https://www.today.com/video/dr-anthony-fauci-virus-death-toll-may-be-more-like-60-000-than-100-00-to-200-000-81825861735

    This could mean the UK figure will be around 12,000, since our population is 5 times less than the USA.

    There is square root of f##k all chance we are getting away with 12,000. I don't think we are keeping it below 20,000 either (especially if we include all the care home deaths).
    We'll almost certainly be above 12,000 by the middle of next week once everything is counted, and even after the first wave subsides, it will be a long road back to normality, with a lot of infection just deferred.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    edited April 2020
    Foxy said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    On Robert Jenrick: I popped round with my partner to see mum yesterday. We sat in her back garden two metres apart from her. She was jittery that she was breaking the law even though it had been our decision and we were on her property appropriately socially distanced throughout. She appreciated the company.

    If a son goes round his parents to see they’re ok, that’s more than ok by me. This period is bad enough without busybodies making it worse.

    Well, at least all the supporters of Jenrick stuck up for Stephen Kinnock the other week, or where would we be?
    The reaction to that was way OTT. Slightly less sympathetic reasons, but the reaction was the equivalent of the idiot plod complaining too many people buying non-essentials in the supermarket.
  • TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052
    Why Jenrick ?

    Jenrick is a member of the Parliamentary Conservative Friends of Israel (CFI) group.[13][14] In June 2019, he represented the government at the Israel-Palestine peace initiative, led by Jared Kushner.[15] In January 2020, Jenrick spoke at the CFI parliamentary reception and told the audience that he would "look forward to the day" when Britain's embassy in Israel will be "moved to Jerusalem", adding that "as Housing Secretary I don't like land-banking. I want us to build that embassy".
  • glwglw Posts: 9,908
    TGOHF666 said:

    glw said:

    kyf_100 said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    Hopefully this dumb ass nonsense won’t reach England.

    https://twitter.com/iealondon/status/1248354250209611783?s=21

    This is worth pulling out from that report:

    "Those on below-average incomes have been hit hardest, with those in the bottom income group increasing their expenditure on alcohol by 11 per cent."

    An awful policy that has managed to make the lives of the miserable even worse.

    Alcoholics will give up food before they give up drink.
    Not all people on low income are alcoholics.
    Of course not, but if you are trying to get people who have a drink problem to drink less pricing is a blunt tool, and the people with the biggest problem will be the most disposed to prioritising buying alcohol.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    edited April 2020
    RobD said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Scott_xP said:

    twitter.com/MattChorley/status/1248360110835011584

    Now about the press being absolute dicks in this crisis....

    If he had been caught going on a 300 mile round trip jolly to the lake district, wells that's totally a different matter.
    He's apparently "facing questions" according to the Guardian.

    What, for being a compassionate human and helping out his mum and dad who needed shopping and medication? Quite right, that kind of person doesn't belong in the Tory party.
    Compassionate Conservatives don't exist though...they are to a man and woman all evil baby eaters.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766
    https://twitter.com/mrianleslie/status/1248345817192312833
  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Posts: 1,294
    eadric said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Can you get brain Covid?

    https://twitter.com/andrew_lilico/status/1248191695759519744?s=20

    Indeed. I read that tweet half a dozen times and couldn’t make sense of it. Still can’t
    He seems to think EU membership can lead to communism or an Islamic Caliphate. It's a thought, I suppose. An alt-right one you'd probably hear from Molyneux or that Prison Planet wanker. Was Lilico ever taken seriously?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,102
    https://twitter.com/bhopkins1985/status/1248337015969644545?s=09
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,482
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    RobD said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Scott_xP said:

    twitter.com/MattChorley/status/1248360110835011584

    Now about the press being absolute dicks in this crisis....

    If he had been caught going on a 300 mile round trip jolly to the lake district, wells that's totally a different matter.
    He's apparently "facing questions" according to the Guardian.

    What, for being a compassionate human and helping out his mum and dad who needed shopping and medication? Quite right, that kind of person doesn't belong in the Tory party.
    Compassionate Conservatives don't exist though...they are to a man and woman all evil baby eaters.
    Compassionate Conservatives kill the babies first.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,563
    rottenborough said:

    https://twitter.com/mrianleslie/status/1248345817192312833

    That is very clever messaging
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Foxy said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    On Robert Jenrick: I popped round with my partner to see mum yesterday. We sat in her back garden two metres apart from her. She was jittery that she was breaking the law even though it had been our decision and we were on her property appropriately socially distanced throughout. She appreciated the company.

    If a son goes round his parents to see they’re ok, that’s more than ok by me. This period is bad enough without busybodies making it worse.

    Well, at least all the supporters of Jenrick stuck up for Stephen Kinnock the other week, or where would we be?
    The reaction to that was way OTT. Slightly less sympathetic reasons, but the reaction was the equivalent of the idiot plod complaining too many people buying non-essentials in the supermarket.
    Oh, I agree. But who can fight the British mob with its blood up?

    It is a displacement activity for people who feel powerless in the face of nature.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,708
    edited April 2020
    RobD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    https://twitter.com/MattChorley/status/1248360110835011584

    Was the Guardian after a gotcha moment I wonder?
    The Mail has made it a splash.

    image
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,563
    Foxy said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    On Robert Jenrick: I popped round with my partner to see mum yesterday. We sat in her back garden two metres apart from her. She was jittery that she was breaking the law even though it had been our decision and we were on her property appropriately socially distanced throughout. She appreciated the company.

    If a son goes round his parents to see they’re ok, that’s more than ok by me. This period is bad enough without busybodies making it worse.

    Well, at least all the supporters of Jenrick stuck up for Stephen Kinnock the other week, or where would we be?
    Yep we did. Exactly the same people who were on here defending Jenrick today were defending Kinnock earlier in the week. Same issue, same position. Both were absolutely in the right and should not be criticised.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    williamglenn said:

    Is the Mail turning on the

    RobD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    https://twitter.com/MattChorley/status/1248360110835011584

    Was the Guardian after a gotcha moment I wonder?
    The Mail had made it a splash.

    image
    Not really surprising, the Daily Rant have been really going for the government the past couple of weeks.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935
    .
    williamglenn said:

    Is the Mail turning on the

    RobD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    https://twitter.com/MattChorley/status/1248360110835011584

    Was the Guardian after a gotcha moment I wonder?
    The Mail had made it a splash.

    The media really aren't having a good crisis, are they? It's not as if he was going there for a jolly like the Scottish CMO...
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    Foxy said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    On Robert Jenrick: I popped round with my partner to see mum yesterday. We sat in her back garden two metres apart from her. She was jittery that she was breaking the law even though it had been our decision and we were on her property appropriately socially distanced throughout. She appreciated the company.

    If a son goes round his parents to see they’re ok, that’s more than ok by me. This period is bad enough without busybodies making it worse.

    Well, at least all the supporters of Jenrick stuck up for Stephen Kinnock the other week, or where would we be?
    Yep we did. Exactly the same people who were on here defending Jenrick today were defending Kinnock earlier in the week. Same issue, same position. Both were absolutely in the right and should not be criticised.
    I haven't criticised them.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    edited April 2020
    RobD said:

    .

    williamglenn said:

    Is the Mail turning on the

    RobD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    https://twitter.com/MattChorley/status/1248360110835011584

    Was the Guardian after a gotcha moment I wonder?
    The Mail had made it a splash.

    The media really aren't having a good crisis, are they? It's not as if he was going there for a jolly like the Scottish CMO...
    Not quite as bad as them blaming chief egghead for catching the disease. Its one thing blaming Boris for getting it and nearly dying, we will glide past that, but they also blamed the chief egghead as if he has a choice about the environments in which he is having to work, trying to do his best to make the right decisions to save lives.

    I mean he definitely should have done better not to catch this thing that literally can spread so easily you need to be in a spacesuit 24/7 to be safe.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,102
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    williamglenn said:

    Is the Mail turning on the

    RobD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    https://twitter.com/MattChorley/status/1248360110835011584

    Was the Guardian after a gotcha moment I wonder?
    The Mail had made it a splash.

    image
    Not really surprising, the Daily Rant have been really going for the government the past couple of weeks.
    They want the lockdown stopped and are just plain stupid
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935
    I bet Boris is chomping at the bit to get out of hospital...
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695
    williamglenn said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    https://twitter.com/MattChorley/status/1248360110835011584

    Was the Guardian after a gotcha moment I wonder?
    The Mail has made it a splash.

    image
    40 miles according to the Guardian; 150 according to the Mail.

    Either way, he seems to have had a valid reason for the visit, so I expect this to die away in a day or two.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    Time for the government to deploy the Van-Tam again. He doesn't take no shit from the press.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    RobD said:

    .

    williamglenn said:

    Is the Mail turning on the

    RobD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    https://twitter.com/MattChorley/status/1248360110835011584

    Was the Guardian after a gotcha moment I wonder?
    The Mail had made it a splash.

    The media really aren't having a good crisis, are they? It's not as if he was going there for a jolly like the Scottish CMO...
    Not quite as bad as them blaming chief egghead for catching the disease. Its one thing blaming Boris for getting it and nearly dying, we will glide past that, but they also blamed the chief egghead as if he has a choice about the environments in which he is having to work, trying to do his best to make the right decisions to save lives.

    I mean he definitely should have done better not to catch this thing that literally can spread so easily you need to be in a spacesuit 24/7 to be safe.
    At least now the top team are immune ;)
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720
    RobD said:

    I bet Boris is chomping at the bit to get out of hospital...

    if he has any sense he will convalesce quietly in Chequers for a week or two. Hypoxia doesn't make for clear thoughts.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    edited April 2020
    Benpointer said:

    williamglenn said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    https://twitter.com/MattChorley/status/1248360110835011584

    Was the Guardian after a gotcha moment I wonder?
    The Mail has made it a splash.

    image
    40 miles according to the Guardian; 150 according to the Mail.

    Either way, he seems to have had a valid reason for the visit, so I expect this to die away in a day or two.
    My bigger concern is especially coming up to this Easter holiday weekend, it muddies the message and potentially encourages people to say well if the government minister can do this, I will go on a jolly and round it off with a call into the fam, cos that will be ok cover if I need to have an excuse.

    Just like the press love to ask the politicians how many people have you killed today minister with that decision...how many people have you killed today members of the press?
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Going to have to catch up on Horizon, missed half of it.

    It was clear and free from breathless hype.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    edited April 2020
    The research, conducted by King's College London and pollsters Ipsos Mori, finds 15% of the population already say they are finding the restrictions very challenging and another 14% expect they will be unable to cope within the next month.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52228169

    Imagine if the government had locked us down when the media demanded it? Its like these behavioural insight people might know something.
  • MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    RobD said:

    .

    williamglenn said:

    Is the Mail turning on the

    RobD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    https://twitter.com/MattChorley/status/1248360110835011584

    Was the Guardian after a gotcha moment I wonder?
    The Mail had made it a splash.

    The media really aren't having a good crisis, are they? It's not as if he was going there for a jolly like the Scottish CMO...
    Not quite as bad as them blaming chief egghead for catching the disease. Its one thing blaming Boris for getting it and nearly dying, we will glide past that, but they also blamed the chief egghead as if he has a choice about the environments in which he is having to work, trying to do his best to make the right decisions to save lives.

    I mean he definitely should have done better not to catch this thing that literally can spread so easily you need to be in a spacesuit 24/7 to be safe.
    This might cheer you up ... had a conversation today with one of the modelling eggheads who contributes to the PHE forecasting that goes up the chain of command to the chief eggheads (and I think is the set of figures that goes out to the individual hospitals) and turns out his team are using Bayesian model stacking ensembles to improve their predictive accuracy. Not just relying on the over-a-decade-old undocumented C code of the Imperial crew...
  • JohnLoonyJohnLoony Posts: 1,790
    I read the first two lines of the article and assumed you were talking about the normal weekly excitement about local by-elections
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    The research, conducted by King's College London and pollsters Ipsos Mori, finds 15% of the population already say they are finding the restrictions very challenging and another 14% expect they will be unable to cope within the next month.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52228169

    Imagine if the government had locked us down when the media demanded it? Its like these behavioural insight people might know something.

    This. 100x this.
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042
    williamglenn said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    https://twitter.com/MattChorley/status/1248360110835011584

    Was the Guardian after a gotcha moment I wonder?
    The Mail has made it a splash.

    image
    It wasn't best practice given locals were able to assist his relatives, but given he never entered the house and dropped off some medication I can't say I think of this as a hanging offence or frontpage news.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited April 2020

    https://twitter.com/longevitymatt/status/1247449164205756416?s=21

    https://twitter.com/longevitymatt/status/1247449193536466945?s=21
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    edited April 2020
    MyBurningEars said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    RobD said:

    .

    williamglenn said:

    Is the Mail turning on the

    RobD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    https://twitter.com/MattChorley/status/1248360110835011584

    Was the Guardian after a gotcha moment I wonder?
    The Mail had made it a splash.

    The media really aren't having a good crisis, are they? It's not as if he was going there for a jolly like the Scottish CMO...
    Not quite as bad as them blaming chief egghead for catching the disease. Its one thing blaming Boris for getting it and nearly dying, we will glide past that, but they also blamed the chief egghead as if he has a choice about the environments in which he is having to work, trying to do his best to make the right decisions to save lives.

    I mean he definitely should have done better not to catch this thing that literally can spread so easily you need to be in a spacesuit 24/7 to be safe.
    This might cheer you up ... had a conversation today with one of the modelling eggheads who contributes to the PHE forecasting that goes up the chain of command to the chief eggheads (and I think is the set of figures that goes out to the individual hospitals) and turns out his team are using Bayesian model stacking ensembles to improve their predictive accuracy. Not just relying on the over-a-decade-old undocumented C code of the Imperial crew...
    Yeap. There is a load of really interesting work getting under way, with inputs from multiple fields who traditionally don't often talk to one another very much.

    Having done quite a bit of reading of what people traditionally use, I was shocked that things like "Gaussian Processes" never seem to feature. They are ideal for analysing the progression of current case / death data.

    Realistically until there is a vaccine, we need much more advanced models to be able to move out of the lockdown phase.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695
    "US President Donald Trump will soon take to the podium for his daily update on Covid-19.

    The White House announced today that everyone in the room for the daily briefing will be given a rapid Covid-19 test, with results expected before the start of the briefing."     BBC

    What's this rapid Covid-19 test and why don't we have it in the UK?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,489
    eadric said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Can you get brain Covid?

    https://twitter.com/andrew_lilico/status/1248191695759519744?s=20

    Indeed. I read that tweet half a dozen times and couldn’t make sense of it. Still can’t
    He's gone barking.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,489
    TGOHF666 said:

    Hopefully this dumb ass nonsense won’t reach England.

    https://twitter.com/iealondon/status/1248354250209611783?s=21

    But but.. we were told EVIDENCE.
  • DAlexanderDAlexander Posts: 815
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    The research, conducted by King's College London and pollsters Ipsos Mori, finds 15% of the population already say they are finding the restrictions very challenging and another 14% expect they will be unable to cope within the next month.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52228169

    Imagine if the government had locked us down when the media demanded it? Its like these behavioural insight people might know something.

    I'm not sure I follow that logic.

    We'll be in exactly the same position after the delayed lockdown, it will take just as long and more people will have died.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Warning to the ‘perfectly fit and healthy’ people who are 3-4 stone overweight

    https://twitter.com/alistairhaimes/status/1248353767684276224?s=21
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,489
    AlastairMeeks said:

    On Robert Jenrick: I popped round with my partner to see mum yesterday. We sat in her back garden two metres apart from her. She was jittery that she was breaking the law even though it had been our decision and we were on her property appropriately socially distanced throughout. She appreciated the company.

    If a son goes round his parents to see they’re ok, that’s more than ok by me. This period is bad enough without busybodies making it worse.

    I agree with you, but that won't stop the busybodies.

    This is the moment they've been secretly waiting for all their lives.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,563
    Foxy said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    Foxy said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    On Robert Jenrick: I popped round with my partner to see mum yesterday. We sat in her back garden two metres apart from her. She was jittery that she was breaking the law even though it had been our decision and we were on her property appropriately socially distanced throughout. She appreciated the company.

    If a son goes round his parents to see they’re ok, that’s more than ok by me. This period is bad enough without busybodies making it worse.

    Well, at least all the supporters of Jenrick stuck up for Stephen Kinnock the other week, or where would we be?
    Yep we did. Exactly the same people who were on here defending Jenrick today were defending Kinnock earlier in the week. Same issue, same position. Both were absolutely in the right and should not be criticised.
    I haven't criticised them.
    I know. I was making the point that your claims about people only defending their own side were wide of the mark. Most people on PB with some dishonourable exceptions are sticking to their own personal positions on what is right and wrong irrespective of party allegiance. As I said those who defended Jenrick tonight are the same ones who were defending Kinnock a few days ago.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,489
    dr_spyn said:

    Going to have to catch up on Horizon, missed half of it.

    It was clear and free from breathless hype.

    The one on BBC4 last night was excellent.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,999
    RobD said:

    .

    williamglenn said:

    Is the Mail turning on the

    RobD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    https://twitter.com/MattChorley/status/1248360110835011584

    Was the Guardian after a gotcha moment I wonder?
    The Mail had made it a splash.

    The media really aren't having a good crisis, are they? It's not as if he was going there for a jolly like the Scottish CMO...
    Or Prince Charles.
  • TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052
    Casino_Royale said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    Hopefully this dumb ass nonsense won’t reach England.

    https://twitter.com/iealondon/status/1248354250209611783?s=21

    But but.. we were told EVIDENCE.
    Where there was a lack of evidence there was virtue aplenty to fill the void,
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,489
    williamglenn said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Can you get brain Covid?

    https://twitter.com/andrew_lilico/status/1248191695759519744?s=20

    It's a relief that normal service has resumed. Lilico said a few dangerously rational things recently.
    I can't remember who it was on here before (Sean Fear?) that there is more than one Andrew Lilico. There are several Andrew Lilicos.

    Once you think of it like that it all starts to make sense.
  • MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    MyBurningEars said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    RobD said:

    .

    williamglenn said:

    Is the Mail turning on the

    RobD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    https://twitter.com/MattChorley/status/1248360110835011584

    Was the Guardian after a gotcha moment I wonder?
    The Mail had made it a splash.

    The media really aren't having a good crisis, are they? It's not as if he was going there for a jolly like the Scottish CMO...
    Not quite as bad as them blaming chief egghead for catching the disease. Its one thing blaming Boris for getting it and nearly dying, we will glide past that, but they also blamed the chief egghead as if he has a choice about the environments in which he is having to work, trying to do his best to make the right decisions to save lives.

    I mean he definitely should have done better not to catch this thing that literally can spread so easily you need to be in a spacesuit 24/7 to be safe.
    This might cheer you up ... had a conversation today with one of the modelling eggheads who contributes to the PHE forecasting that goes up the chain of command to the chief eggheads (and I think is the set of figures that goes out to the individual hospitals) and turns out his team are using Bayesian model stacking ensembles to improve their predictive accuracy. Not just relying on the over-a-decade-old undocumented C code of the Imperial crew...
    Yeap. There is a load of really interesting work getting under way, with inputs from multiple fields who traditionally don't often talk to one another very much.

    Having done quite a bit of reading of what people traditionally use, I was shocked that things like "Gaussian Processes" never seem to feature. They ideal for analysing the progression of current case / death data.

    Realistically until there is a vaccine, we need much more advanced models to be able to move out of the lockdown phase.
    As I understand it, the impetus for these ML-inspired approaches in infectious disease modelling has come from Kaggle-style epidemic forecasting competitions over the last couple of years. There's a slightly morbid quality to that - got to be an unpleasantly mixed feeling when you lose because the deaths today weren't high enough...
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,413
    Foxy said:

    RobD said:

    I bet Boris is chomping at the bit to get out of hospital...

    if he has any sense he will convalesce quietly in Chequers for a week or two. Hypoxia doesn't make for clear thoughts.
    I heard someone on the radio say you need a month of convalescence for every night in ICU
    Is there owt in this?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935
    Theuniondivvie said:

    RobD said:

    .

    williamglenn said:

    Is the Mail turning on the

    RobD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    https://twitter.com/MattChorley/status/1248360110835011584

    Was the Guardian after a gotcha moment I wonder?
    The Mail had made it a splash.

    The media really aren't having a good crisis, are they? It's not as if he was going there for a jolly like the Scottish CMO...
    Or Prince Charles.
    The Duke of Rothesay was staying in his primary residence. ;)

    More seriously, he wasn't telling people to stay indoors.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695
    Casino_Royale said:

    williamglenn said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Can you get brain Covid?

    https://twitter.com/andrew_lilico/status/1248191695759519744?s=20

    It's a relief that normal service has resumed. Lilico said a few dangerously rational things recently.
    I can't remember who it was on here before (Sean Fear?) that there is more than one Andrew Lilico. There are several Andrew Lilicos.

    Once you think of it like that it all starts to make sense.
    How apt of SeanT to warn that some people have several instances.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    edited April 2020
    DAlexander said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    The research, conducted by King's College London and pollsters Ipsos Mori, finds 15% of the population already say they are finding the restrictions very challenging and another 14% expect they will be unable to cope within the next month.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52228169

    Imagine if the government had locked us down when the media demanded it? Its like these behavioural insight people might know something.

    I'm not sure I follow that logic.

    We'll be in exactly the same position after the delayed lockdown, it will take just as long and more people will have died.
    As the Italian PM said on tv (I believe last night). You go too early and everybody thinks you are crazy as there are only (insert small number of deaths) and nobody obeys the rules. Then you are in this big fight trying to get enough people to stick it, and then that can result in having to be in lockdown even longer as you don't actually squash the R0 number enough, instead just getting this prolonged transmission.

    You could argue the government left it a bit too late and shouldn't have allowed the likes of the nags on. I personally thought should have been a week previous.

    But it is a careful balance, you have to have people at a stage where they know they need to isolate, they are getting scared of what is happening and thus the vast majority will agree to do so.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935
    dixiedean said:

    Foxy said:

    RobD said:

    I bet Boris is chomping at the bit to get out of hospital...

    if he has any sense he will convalesce quietly in Chequers for a week or two. Hypoxia doesn't make for clear thoughts.
    I heard someone on the radio say you need a month of convalescence for every night in ICU
    Is there owt in this?
    In some cases, no doubt, but since Boris was never on a ventilator I think it's reasonable to assume he's on the other end of the spectrum.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,489
    glw said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    glw said:

    kyf_100 said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    Hopefully this dumb ass nonsense won’t reach England.

    https://twitter.com/iealondon/status/1248354250209611783?s=21

    This is worth pulling out from that report:

    "Those on below-average incomes have been hit hardest, with those in the bottom income group increasing their expenditure on alcohol by 11 per cent."

    An awful policy that has managed to make the lives of the miserable even worse.

    Alcoholics will give up food before they give up drink.
    Not all people on low income are alcoholics.
    Of course not, but if you are trying to get people who have a drink problem to drink less pricing is a blunt tool, and the people with the biggest problem will be the most disposed to prioritising buying alcohol.
    It will lower overall consumption quantities - most markets are sensitive to price - but that doesn't say anything about black markets, home brews or the behaviour of those most desperate or addicted.

    Personally I think Governments should leave well alone and tackle the root cause mental health issues instead.
  • ukpaulukpaul Posts: 649
    edited April 2020
    rottenborough said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    The research, conducted by King's College London and pollsters Ipsos Mori, finds 15% of the population already say they are finding the restrictions very challenging and another 14% expect they will be unable to cope within the next month.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52228169

    Imagine if the government had locked us down when the media demanded it? Its like these behavioural insight people might know something.

    This. 100x this.
    Reading into it, that number is vastly increased by the young, who want to get out more (well, they will probably suffer less if they get it). Much less than that for 45 and over, who are clearly highly concerned about it. Let's not have the former lead the debate, so putting the latter in danger. They have a long life ahead of them and a few months won't change that.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,002
    https://twitter.com/Janeannie/status/1248250646177906689
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,563
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Benpointer said:

    williamglenn said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    https://twitter.com/MattChorley/status/1248360110835011584

    Was the Guardian after a gotcha moment I wonder?
    The Mail has made it a splash.

    image
    40 miles according to the Guardian; 150 according to the Mail.

    Either way, he seems to have had a valid reason for the visit, so I expect this to die away in a day or two.
    My bigger concern is especially coming up to this Easter holiday weekend, it muddies the message and potentially encourages people to say well if the government minister can do this, I will go on a jolly and round it off with a call into the fam, cos that will be ok cover if I need to have an excuse.

    Just like the press love to ask the politicians how many people have you killed today minister with that decision...how many people have you killed today members of the press?
    I fear the exact opposite. By making it seem as if it is not legitimate to look after aged parents it potentially puts lives at risk. It is extremely dangerous by the media and all for a neat headline.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,489
    Benpointer said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    williamglenn said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Can you get brain Covid?

    https://twitter.com/andrew_lilico/status/1248191695759519744?s=20

    It's a relief that normal service has resumed. Lilico said a few dangerously rational things recently.
    I can't remember who it was on here before (Sean Fear?) that there is more than one Andrew Lilico. There are several Andrew Lilicos.

    Once you think of it like that it all starts to make sense.
    How apt of SeanT to warn that some people have several instances.
    I said Sean Fear, but yeah whatever.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    edited April 2020
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Benpointer said:

    williamglenn said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    https://twitter.com/MattChorley/status/1248360110835011584

    Was the Guardian after a gotcha moment I wonder?
    The Mail has made it a splash.

    image
    40 miles according to the Guardian; 150 according to the Mail.

    Either way, he seems to have had a valid reason for the visit, so I expect this to die away in a day or two.
    My bigger concern is especially coming up to this Easter holiday weekend, it muddies the message and potentially encourages people to say well if the government minister can do this, I will go on a jolly and round it off with a call into the fam, cos that will be ok cover if I need to have an excuse.

    Just like the press love to ask the politicians how many people have you killed today minister with that decision...how many people have you killed today members of the press?
    I fear the exact opposite. By making it seem as if it is not legitimate to look after aged parents it potentially puts lives at risk. It is extremely dangerous by the media and all for a neat headline.
    I think that is a very good point.

    As well as giving cover to the twats who just want to ignore the rules and go for a day trip to the lake district, it will probably scare honest law abiding folk trying to do the right thing into not wanting to get dobbed in by the curtain twitchers by visiting an elderly relative to make sure they are ok.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720
    Benpointer said:

    "US President Donald Trump will soon take to the podium for his daily update on Covid-19.

    The White House announced today that everyone in the room for the daily briefing will be given a rapid Covid-19 test, with results expected before the start of the briefing."     BBC

    What's this rapid Covid-19 test and why don't we have it in the UK?

    https://www.simplymedsonline.co.uk/diagnostic-kits/covid-19-coronavirus-test-kit.html

    Claims 92% accuracy and MRHA approval FWIW.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695
    Casino_Royale said:

    Benpointer said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    williamglenn said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Can you get brain Covid?

    https://twitter.com/andrew_lilico/status/1248191695759519744?s=20

    It's a relief that normal service has resumed. Lilico said a few dangerously rational things recently.
    I can't remember who it was on here before (Sean Fear?) that there is more than one Andrew Lilico. There are several Andrew Lilicos.

    Once you think of it like that it all starts to make sense.
    How apt of SeanT to warn that some people have several instances.
    I said Sean Fear, but yeah whatever.
    My mistake - apols
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    edited April 2020
    Very good point by Andy Burnham. If it's a phased end to the lockdown then it can't be on a regional basis. The people of Birmingham and elsewhere are not going to stay indoors if they see people in, say, London out on the lash.

    As I have said before, it should be a gradual indoor inkspot lifting with people increasing the group of people they associate with gradually.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    RobD said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    RobD said:

    .

    williamglenn said:

    Is the Mail turning on the

    RobD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    https://twitter.com/MattChorley/status/1248360110835011584

    Was the Guardian after a gotcha moment I wonder?
    The Mail had made it a splash.

    The media really aren't having a good crisis, are they? It's not as if he was going there for a jolly like the Scottish CMO...
    Or Prince Charles.
    The Duke of Rothesay was staying in his primary residence. ;)

    More seriously, he wasn't telling people to stay indoors.
    Even more seriously, his mum's ministers were. You can't play that just a private citizen card on his behalf unless and until he and Cams disclaim it all and feck off to Malibu to join the sussexes.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,259
    TOPPING said:

    Very good point by Andy Burnham. If it's a phased end to the lockdown then it can't be on a regional basis. The people of Birmingham and elsewhere are not going to stay indoors if they see people in, say, London out on the lash.

    As I have said before, it should be a gradual indoor inkspot lifting with people increasing the group of people they associate with gradually.

    Of course it could be done locally. Surplus police from non-locked-down areas could be used to enforce the local lockdown.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    edited April 2020
    I fear after all the ridiculous questions from the media about what constituted allowable exercise, what about the plod chasing down freelance journalists and were people allowed to have kids play dates...all the moronic press pack will now be spending all of tomorrow coming up with ludicrous scenarios if that is ok in terms of compassionate care to ask at the presser.

    I am claiming it now, it will be 10 questions are about this story and include the most eye rolling bollocks of if a government minister can do x, can a member of the public do y.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,489
    I've realised I basically watch Aliens for the auto sentry gun scenes.

    Love that bit.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    eadric said:

    isam said:

    Warning to the ‘perfectly fit and healthy’ people who are 3-4 stone overweight

    https://twitter.com/alistairhaimes/status/1248353767684276224?s=21

    Let ‘em die, the fat bastards

    Seriously. If you can’t stop stuffing yourself with chip butties for a few weeks you are life undeserving of life. Likewise smokers. Stub it out, plague-pit-dodger
    What about pussies such as yourself? You add nothing to the nation and just take up valuable resource from those more worthy than you (ie everyone).

    As a service to us all you should apply for voluntary euthanasia. Cause of death? Being sat on by someone with a BMI above 30.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    edited April 2020
    TOPPING said:

    Very good point by Andy Burnham. If it's a phased end to the lockdown then it can't be on a regional basis. The people of Birmingham and elsewhere are not going to stay indoors if they see people in, say, London out on the lash.

    As I have said before, it should be a gradual indoor inkspot lifting with people increasing the group of people they associate with gradually.

    The other worry is people then decide to travel to an area which isn't restricted e.g. just like the initial Italian lockdown. We aren't like Canada, where big cities are 1000s of miles apart, it takes a 2-3 hours to drive to London from lots of places and people will do it for a night out.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,999
    RobD said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    RobD said:

    .

    williamglenn said:

    Is the Mail turning on the

    RobD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    https://twitter.com/MattChorley/status/1248360110835011584

    Was the Guardian after a gotcha moment I wonder?
    The Mail had made it a splash.

    The media really aren't having a good crisis, are they? It's not as if he was going there for a jolly like the Scottish CMO...
    Or Prince Charles.
    The Duke of Rothesay was staying in his primary residence. ;)

    More seriously, he wasn't telling people to stay indoors.
    I'm glad we can now all accept that the royal family are irrelevant to the behaviour of the nation(s).

    What are they for again?
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,563
    eadric said:

    isam said:

    Warning to the ‘perfectly fit and healthy’ people who are 3-4 stone overweight

    https://twitter.com/alistairhaimes/status/1248353767684276224?s=21

    Let ‘em die, the fat bastards

    Seriously. If you can’t stop stuffing yourself with chip butties for a few weeks you are life undeserving of life. Likewise smokers. Stub it out, plague-pit-dodger
    Do you feel the same about heavy drinkers and former heroin addicts?
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,065
    RobD said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    RobD said:

    .

    williamglenn said:

    Is the Mail turning on the

    RobD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    https://twitter.com/MattChorley/status/1248360110835011584

    Was the Guardian after a gotcha moment I wonder?
    The Mail had made it a splash.

    The media really aren't having a good crisis, are they? It's not as if he was going there for a jolly like the Scottish CMO...
    Not quite as bad as them blaming chief egghead for catching the disease. Its one thing blaming Boris for getting it and nearly dying, we will glide past that, but they also blamed the chief egghead as if he has a choice about the environments in which he is having to work, trying to do his best to make the right decisions to save lives.

    I mean he definitely should have done better not to catch this thing that literally can spread so easily you need to be in a spacesuit 24/7 to be safe.
    At least now the top team are immune ;)
    Or will be in two to three weeks time.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    edited April 2020
    JohnLilburne said:

    TOPPING said:

    Very good point by Andy Burnham. If it's a phased end to the lockdown then it can't be on a regional basis. The people of Birmingham and elsewhere are not going to stay indoors if they see people in, say, London out on the lash.

    As I have said before, it should be a gradual indoor inkspot lifting with people increasing the group of people they associate with gradually.

    Of course it could be done locally. Surplus police from non-locked-down areas could be used to enforce the local lockdown.
    Jesus you don't understand the Brits do you.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,601
    edited April 2020
    TOPPING said:

    Very good point by Andy Burnham. If it's a phased end to the lockdown then it can't be on a regional basis. The people of Birmingham and elsewhere are not going to stay indoors if they see people in, say, London out on the lash.

    As I have said before, it should be a gradual indoor inkspot lifting with people increasing the group of people they associate with gradually.

    Do you know, I think if this had happened 30 or 40 years ago people in different areas would have been issued with slightly different instructions. For example, those living in rural / isolated areas like the Orkney and Shetland Islands would have received less stringent instructions compared to people living in big cities like London and Birmingham. And guess what: 99% of people in all of those areas would have respected their local instructions without complaining. The problem today is that there's an obsession with everyone getting "equal treatment" which makes such an approach utterly unworkable.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Casino_Royale said:

    I've realised I basically watch Aliens for the auto sentry gun scenes.

    Love that bit.

    "Now all we need is a deck of cards" is a cool line even by Aliens standards.

    I don't think the sentry guns were in the original release, they wwere put back in to the director's cut.
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    Does anybody still sing Happy Birthday while washing their hands? This was all the rage a couple of weeks ago but nobody seems to have mentioned it since
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,259
    TOPPING said:

    JohnLilburne said:

    TOPPING said:

    Very good point by Andy Burnham. If it's a phased end to the lockdown then it can't be on a regional basis. The people of Birmingham and elsewhere are not going to stay indoors if they see people in, say, London out on the lash.

    As I have said before, it should be a gradual indoor inkspot lifting with people increasing the group of people they associate with gradually.

    Of course it could be done locally. Surplus police from non-locked-down areas could be used to enforce the local lockdown.
    Jesus you don't understand the Brits do you.
    As much as anyone.
    I think we need mass arrests to make the point.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    TOPPING said:

    Very good point by Andy Burnham. If it's a phased end to the lockdown then it can't be on a regional basis. The people of Birmingham and elsewhere are not going to stay indoors if they see people in, say, London out on the lash.

    As I have said before, it should be a gradual indoor inkspot lifting with people increasing the group of people they associate with gradually.

    The other worry is people then decide to travel to an area which isn't restricted e.g. just like the initial Italian lockdown. We aren't like Canada, where big cities are 1000s of miles apart, it takes a 2-3 hours to drive to London from lots of places and people will do it for a night out.
    Yep.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    Andy_JS said:

    TOPPING said:

    Very good point by Andy Burnham. If it's a phased end to the lockdown then it can't be on a regional basis. The people of Birmingham and elsewhere are not going to stay indoors if they see people in, say, London out on the lash.

    As I have said before, it should be a gradual indoor inkspot lifting with people increasing the group of people they associate with gradually.

    Do you know, I think if this had happened 30 or 40 years ago, people in different areas would have been issued with different instructions. For example, those living in rural / isolated areas like the Orkney and Shetland Islands would have received less stringent instructions compared to people living in big cities like London and Birmingham. And guess what: 99% of people in all of those areas would have respected their local instructions without complaining. The problem today is that there's an obsession with everyone getting "equal treatment" which makes such an approach utterly unworkable.
    I think it is just one of those kites flown to be shot down. No one could seriously think it might work.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    MikeSmithson said:

    Does anybody still sing Happy Birthday while washing their hands? This was all the rage a couple of weeks ago but nobody seems to have mentioned it since

    Yes. I did today. For some reason. It is not that long a song. (The Radiohead version that is.)
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    Imagine if Wales lift restriction before England, all those people in places like Bristol will be over that Second Seven crossing before you can say gert lush. And what about Scotland before England, all those that go down the toon, will be in Edinburgh on the lash instead.

    Would be a total an utter disaster, unless you are going to have Chinese style blockades around cities.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,259
    TOPPING said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    TOPPING said:

    Very good point by Andy Burnham. If it's a phased end to the lockdown then it can't be on a regional basis. The people of Birmingham and elsewhere are not going to stay indoors if they see people in, say, London out on the lash.

    As I have said before, it should be a gradual indoor inkspot lifting with people increasing the group of people they associate with gradually.

    The other worry is people then decide to travel to an area which isn't restricted e.g. just like the initial Italian lockdown. We aren't like Canada, where big cities are 1000s of miles apart, it takes a 2-3 hours to drive to London from lots of places and people will do it for a night out.
    Yep.
    Roadblocks.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    JohnLilburne said:

    TOPPING said:

    JohnLilburne said:

    TOPPING said:

    Very good point by Andy Burnham. If it's a phased end to the lockdown then it can't be on a regional basis. The people of Birmingham and elsewhere are not going to stay indoors if they see people in, say, London out on the lash.

    As I have said before, it should be a gradual indoor inkspot lifting with people increasing the group of people they associate with gradually.

    Of course it could be done locally. Surplus police from non-locked-down areas could be used to enforce the local lockdown.
    Jesus you don't understand the Brits do you.
    As much as anyone.
    I think we need mass arrests to make the point.
    I think your spiritual home is many miles East.

    That's not how we do it here.
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