If we needed a new PM at very short notice would HM call Raab as First Secretary of State?
That would seem likely, given that he is the designated successor.
Deja Vu. We had a long discussion on this around 7.30 ish this morning. It's complicated and not as simple as Raab assuming power.
Anyway, let's hope Boris is okay.
I missed that conversation, and the context has changed since. The PM could be dead by the time 24 hours have passed since then. Appointing a successor quickly would be critical.
I do so hate people surmising what ifs if someone were to die.. its nasty.
Each to their own. I do not regard speculating about worst case scenarios as nasty. It's worth thinking about what happens in a crisis so we might have some idea what would happen.
Queen to announce tomorrow that she will become PM.
She's been playing the long game.
I always suspected the Royals never reconciled to the revolution of 1689.
Surely the current lot are - they wouldn't be on the throne if it weren't for the 1689 revolution.
Sure, but it's one thing to accept the price demanded for it and another not to regret that price. Parliament was not required to set every year since 1689 after all. Not right at the start at least*
*actually I'm not sure about that, but I think it was a few more years before annual parliaments were required, I might be wrong on that.
he PM is expected to remain in hospital overnight, according to the BBC’s political editor.
Johnson is in an NHS hospital in London where he will stay for “as long as needed”.
Johnson was taken to hospital earlier this evening, he has been admitted, so expected to stay in overnight and is having what are described as ‘routine tests’ -
he PM is expected to remain in hospital overnight, according to the BBC’s political editor.
Johnson is in an NHS hospital in London where he will stay for “as long as needed”.
Johnson was taken to hospital earlier this evening, he has been admitted, so expected to stay in overnight and is having what are described as ‘routine tests’ -
One point my friends noted with the virus was that they needed to sleep sometimes for ~18 hours a day. That's the body trying to produce the antibodies to fight it. Absolubtely critical to rest, rest, rest if you get the virus.
I don't think that's new news - I am sure I read earlier that domestic cats have tested positive but that they have not been shown to pass C-19 on to humans*
(*Though, now I type that, I can't see any reason why )
One of those situations where you have to wonder why the hold up earlier today about it. Once it was revealed she had repeatedly flouted her own guidance her position was untenable, whereas just once was at least potentially survivable.
If we needed a new PM at very short notice would HM call Raab as First Secretary of State?
That would seem likely, given that he is the designated successor.
Deja Vu. We had a long discussion on this around 7.30 ish this morning. It's complicated and not as simple as Raab assuming power.
Anyway, let's hope Boris is okay.
I missed that conversation, and the context has changed since. The PM could be dead by the time 24 hours have passed since then. Appointing a successor quickly would be critical.
I do so hate people surmising what ifs if someone were to die.. its nasty.
Its risk management and contingency planning. We're just a food manufacturer not a government but we've also had to discuss what happens if certain people fall ill who are critical to the business and how we will work around them.
One point my friends noted with the virus was that they needed to sleep sometimes for ~18 hours a day. That's the body trying to produce the antibodies to fight it. Absolubtely critical to rest, rest, rest if you get the virus.
Indeed, rest as long as he needs, acting PM Dominic Raab can take over in the meantime
One point my friends noted with the virus was that they needed to sleep sometimes for ~18 hours a day. That's the body trying to produce the antibodies to fight it. Absolubtely critical to rest, rest, rest if you get the virus.
Indeed, rest as long as he needs, acting PM Dominic Raab can take over in the meantime
If it’s abioweapon,this is a perfect doomsday weapon. Easily transmitted. Scary and nasty. Survives on surfaces for days. A sneeze can send if 70 feet. No immunity.
The idea is you’d make the virus. And also the vaccine. Vaccinate your own population. Then in emergency release it
You, china, have the the vaccine
The virus will not kill billions but it is bad enough to terrify the world and crash economies. So you become the global hegemon, handing out the vaccine, to supplicant countries
But then the virus escapes prematurely, before the vaccine is ready.....
I don’t believe but if i was writing the script that’s how it would go
My honest guess is it came from the lab my mistake.
This shall now form a plank of my support for the Union. I don't want to lose the ability to claim a constituent part of my country invented such a thing.
If it’s abioweapon,this is a perfect doomsday weapon. Easily transmitted. Scary and nasty. Survives on surfaces for days. A sneeze can send if 70 feet. No immunity.
The idea is you’d make the virus. And also the vaccine. Vaccinate your own population. Then in emergency release it
You, china, have the the vaccine
The virus will not kill billions but it is bad enough to terrify the world and crash economies. So you become the global hegemon, handing out the vaccine, to supplicant countries
But then the virus escapes prematurely, before the vaccine is ready.....
I don’t believe but if i was writing the script that’s how it would go
My honest guess is it came from the lab my mistake.
If it’s abioweapon,this is a perfect doomsday weapon. Easily transmitted. Scary and nasty. Survives on surfaces for days. A sneeze can send if 70 feet. No immunity.
The idea is you’d make the virus. And also the vaccine. Vaccinate your own population. Then in emergency release it
You, china, have the the vaccine
The virus will not kill billions but it is bad enough to terrify the world and crash economies. So you become the global hegemon, handing out the vaccine, to supplicant countries
But then the virus escapes prematurely, before the vaccine is ready.....
I don’t believe but if i was writing the script that’s how it would go
My honest guess is it came from the lab my mistake.
If it’s abioweapon, it is a perfect doomsday weapon. Easily transmitted. Scary and nasty. Survives on surfaces for days. A sneeze can send if 70 feet. No immunity.
The idea is you’d make the virus. And also the vaccine. Vaccinate your own population. Then in emergency release it
You, china, have the the vaccine
The virus will not kill billions but it is bad enough to terrify the world and crash economies. So you become the global hegemon, handing out the vaccine, to supplicant countries
But then the virus escapes prematurely, before the vaccine is ready.....
That sounds like something a certain bestselling international thriller writer would come up with...
Oh dear. Get well soon Boris. I feel genuinely sad about this.
Regarding the Scottish CMO... I’m struggling to see what’s bad about someone travelling to their own house really, if they’re only with people who they live with in their other house. Maybe that’s not what happened, I’ve not really read it properly
If Boris couldn't continue, Raab would take over as PM in the short-term but there would then have to be a proper Conservative party leadership election.
I doubt Raab would win that.
I would have thought the final two would most likely be Sunak and Hunt.
If it’s abioweapon, it is a perfect doomsday weapon. Easily transmitted. Scary and nasty. Survives on surfaces for days. A sneeze can send if 70 feet. No immunity.
The idea is you’d make the virus. And also the vaccine. Vaccinate your own population. Then in emergency release it
You, china, have the the vaccine
The virus will not kill billions but it is bad enough to terrify the world and crash economies. So you become the global hegemon, handing out the vaccine, to supplicant countries
But then the virus escapes prematurely, before the vaccine is ready.....
I don’t believe this - but if i was writing the script that’s how it would go
My honest guess is it came from the lab, by mistake.
This what I wrote here in the small hours of this morning. My fevered imagination...
"In the novel, it is uncertain whether China has "won". It crafted the virus to wreak economic havoc once its own fortress was built - but suffered greatly when it had the virus released from a Wuhan lab by foreign powers, appalled after having learnt of its plans. Of course, neither side could admit what had occurred.
The foreign powers hadn't won either, not with so many tens of million dead. But along with the rest of the world, they had settled into a policy of "buy China last". China was gradually crumbling from this lack of trade. The Chinese Communist Party was riven with factions. We join as a military plot on whether to invade Taiwan is being decided upon...."
I've turned the model into a spreadsheet that you can copy and play around with the numbers. By good chance today is one of the days the model spits out a number for. The model predicted seven and a half thousand deaths by now.
Oh dear. Get well soon Boris. I feel genuinely sad about this.
Regarding the Scottish CMO... I’m struggling to see what’s bad about someone travelling to their own house really, if they’re only with people who they live with in their other house. Maybe that’s not what happened, I’ve not really read it properly
It's bad when you appear on TV telling everyone else not to do it and then, erm, go out and do it.
I'd love to hear the COM's thinking on this. I've just told Scotland to stay at home, so let's load the car up and head out to Fife? No one will notice.
If Boris couldn't continue, Raab would take over as PM in the short-term but there would then have to be a proper Conservative party leadership election.
I doubt Raab would win that.
I would have thought the final two would most likely be Sunak and Hunt.
It would be sorted out by the MPs nobody sane would now have an election
If we needed a new PM at very short notice would HM call Raab as First Secretary of State?
That would seem likely, given that he is the designated successor.
Deja Vu. We had a long discussion on this around 7.30 ish this morning. It's complicated and not as simple as Raab assuming power.
Anyway, let's hope Boris is okay.
I missed that conversation, and the context has changed since. The PM could be dead by the time 24 hours have passed since then. Appointing a successor quickly would be critical.
I do so hate people surmising what ifs if someone were to die.. its nasty.
Its risk management and contingency planning. We're just a food manufacturer not a government but we've also had to discuss what happens if certain people fall ill who are critical to the business and how we will work around them.
Whats the alternative - make it up as it unfolds?
I don't understand the approach to risk management taken by senior politicians across the world, really. It isn't just here, there's the Trudeaus in Canada, and plenty who could have caught it but fortunately didn't. At least QE2 was safely wrapped in cotton wool. Frankly a lot of world leaders would have been better to descend into their nuclear bunker or modern equivalent.
All developed countries presumably have the necessary emergency communications infrastructure for high-level government as to not require face-to-face meetings with the top bods. Why not use them? Yes it's going above and beyond the official advice to the general public, but politicians meet a lot of people (and a lot of those people are important to emergency response, senior administrators and advisers) so from a risk management point of view it's worth being stricter to prevent the response being damaged by inconveniently timed incapacitations at the top. At the very least cutting down on handshakes and unnecessary meetings weeks before (how often would a phone call suffice?) could have been a decent start. Instead, there were still members of the public going round tours of the Palace of Westminster and lots of MPs and cabinet ministers holding relatively unimportant visits and meetings just a few weeks ago.
Oh dear. Get well soon Boris. I feel genuinely sad about this.
Regarding the Scottish CMO... I’m struggling to see what’s bad about someone travelling to their own house really, if they’re only with people who they live with in their other house. Maybe that’s not what happened, I’ve not really read it properly
What's bad is she's told people not to do that sort of thing and then done it, several times.
Oh dear. Get well soon Boris. I feel genuinely sad about this.
Regarding the Scottish CMO... I’m struggling to see what’s bad about someone travelling to their own house really, if they’re only with people who they live with in their other house. Maybe that’s not what happened, I’ve not really read it properly
True. The problem is she advised other people not to do it.
If it’s abioweapon, it is a perfect doomsday weapon. Easily transmitted. Scary and nasty. Survives on surfaces for days. A sneeze can send if 70 feet. No immunity.
The idea is you’d make the virus. And also the vaccine. Vaccinate your own population. Then in emergency release it
You, china, have the the vaccine
The virus will not kill billions but it is bad enough to terrify the world and crash economies. So you become the global hegemon, handing out the vaccine, to supplicant countries
But then the virus escapes prematurely, before the vaccine is ready.....
I don’t believe this - but if i was writing the script that’s how it would go
My honest guess is it came from the lab, by mistake.
This what I wrote here in the small hours of this morning. My fevered imagination...
"In the novel, it is uncertain whether China has "won". It crafted the virus to wreak economic havoc once its own fortress was built - but suffered greatly when it had the virus released from a Wuhan lab by foreign powers, appalled after having learnt of its plans. Of course, neither side could admit what had occurred.
The foreign powers hadn't won either, not with so many tens of million dead. But along with the rest of the world, they had settled into a policy of "buy China last". China was gradually crumbling from this lack of trade. The Chinese Communist Party was riven with factions. We join as a military plot on whether to invade Taiwan is being decided upon...."
Better plot: China has the vaccine and secretly administers it to all its citizens (by bundling it with polio or flu vaccines) *except* the inhabitants of Wuhan. *China* then deliberately releases the virus in Wuhan, sacrificing its own so that it can plausibly present itself as victim rather than perpetrator.
Oh dear. Get well soon Boris. I feel genuinely sad about this.
Regarding the Scottish CMO... I’m struggling to see what’s bad about someone travelling to their own house really, if they’re only with people who they live with in their other house. Maybe that’s not what happened, I’ve not really read it properly
Cos when every fuckwit heads off for a jolly to the hills or the coast we end up in the mess of two weekends ago.
If Johnson is unable to continue as PM the case for a GNU would be stronger.
Not seeing it? And Labour have already said they wouldn't anyway.
Corbyn said they shouldn't, but he's irrelevant now.
In the interview this morning Starmer seemed to suggest the same thing. I'm still not seeing why the case is stronger, could you elaborate on that?
Just because of the need for unity, having an unelected PM who might be a divisive figure wouldn't be ideal.
Is unity important? I would have thought opposition was more important to ask the tough questions. A GNU is not going to happen unless things get far, far worse.
Oh dear. Get well soon Boris. I feel genuinely sad about this.
Regarding the Scottish CMO... I’m struggling to see what’s bad about someone travelling to their own house really, if they’re only with people who they live with in their other house. Maybe that’s not what happened, I’ve not really read it properly
True. The problem is she advised other people not to do it.
Oh dear. Get well soon Boris. I feel genuinely sad about this.
Regarding the Scottish CMO... I’m struggling to see what’s bad about someone travelling to their own house really, if they’re only with people who they live with in their other house. Maybe that’s not what happened, I’ve not really read it properly
What's bad is she's told people not to do that sort of thing and then done it, several times.
Oh dear. Get well soon Boris. I feel genuinely sad about this.
Regarding the Scottish CMO... I’m struggling to see what’s bad about someone travelling to their own house really, if they’re only with people who they live with in their other house. Maybe that’s not what happened, I’ve not really read it properly
It's bad when you appear on TV telling everyone else not to do it and then, erm, go out and do it.
Yes. I guess I think the policy is stupid, but if she’s telling others not to do stuff, she shouldn’t do it herself obviously.
What’s the harm in moving from one empty house to another?
Oh dear. Get well soon Boris. I feel genuinely sad about this.
Regarding the Scottish CMO... I’m struggling to see what’s bad about someone travelling to their own house really, if they’re only with people who they live with in their other house. Maybe that’s not what happened, I’ve not really read it properly
True. The problem is she advised other people not to do it.
Oh dear. Get well soon Boris. I feel genuinely sad about this.
Regarding the Scottish CMO... I’m struggling to see what’s bad about someone travelling to their own house really, if they’re only with people who they live with in their other house. Maybe that’s not what happened, I’ve not really read it properly
What's bad is she's told people not to do that sort of thing and then done it, several times.
Oh dear. Get well soon Boris. I feel genuinely sad about this.
Regarding the Scottish CMO... I’m struggling to see what’s bad about someone travelling to their own house really, if they’re only with people who they live with in their other house. Maybe that’s not what happened, I’ve not really read it properly
It's bad when you appear on TV telling everyone else not to do it and then, erm, go out and do it.
Yes. I guess I think the policy is stupid, but if she’s telling others not to do stuff, she shouldn’t do it herself obviously.
What’s the harm in moving from one empty house to another?
If the travel is not essential it should not be done. That's the central message from the government.
Oh dear. Get well soon Boris. I feel genuinely sad about this.
Regarding the Scottish CMO... I’m struggling to see what’s bad about someone travelling to their own house really, if they’re only with people who they live with in their other house. Maybe that’s not what happened, I’ve not really read it properly
It's bad when you appear on TV telling everyone else not to do it and then, erm, go out and do it.
IIRC there had been a particularly harsh response to Scottish urbanites heading out to campervans and second homes in the Highlands and elsewhere, where it was feared capacity to respond would be less and they didn't want the virus spreading out in waves from the cities.
I think that's what made her position even more tenuous. What she did wasn't just going arguably against the spirit of the campaign she was fronting, it was something that had been actively and specifically condemned. It would utterly undermine the credibility of the messaging if she continued in her position.
The situation for the PM is straightforward. He is likely to be 2 weeks in if he was confirmed 10 days ago. There is precisely no sign of recovery with issues in his breathing still prevalent.
If i read the medical thing right days 10 to 15 or so are where the greatest numbers of fatalities occur if there has been no recovery signs.
Michael Osterholm (American infectious disease epidemiologist, and ex-US gov Bioterrorism advisor) was recently on the Joe Rogan podcast, and discussed the Wuhan lab conspiracy theory. His take that Corvid-19 was way too elegant, too sophisticated to be a man-made bio-weapon.
So I tend to go with Occam' razor here. Brilliant conspiracy theory/thriller novel ground though, I admit.
If Boris couldn't continue, Raab would take over as PM in the short-term but there would then have to be a proper Conservative party leadership election.
I doubt Raab would win that.
I would have thought the final two would most likely be Sunak and Hunt.
It would be sorted out by the MPs nobody sane would now have an election
Oh sure - I agree it probably wouldn't go to members - but my point is it wouldn't automatically be Raab.
If Johnson is unable to continue as PM the case for a GNU would be stronger.
Not seeing it? And Labour have already said they wouldn't anyway.
Corbyn said they shouldn't, but he's irrelevant now.
In the interview this morning Starmer seemed to suggest the same thing. I'm still not seeing why the case is stronger, could you elaborate on that?
Just because of the need for unity, having an unelected PM who might be a divisive figure wouldn't be ideal.
Is unity important? I would have thought opposition was more important to ask the tough questions. A GNU is not going to happen unless things get far, far worse.
It's not an either or issue. It is possible to display unity of purpose and spirit whilst still providing appropriate opposition.
A GNU is not needed. Both sides parking partisan nonsense for a bit so that they work together on the important matters, including bringing in the opposition to some degree, and the opposition continuing to provide constructive challenge, that is what is needed.
And I think by and large that is what they will both do.
Michael Osterholm (American infectious disease epidemiologist, and ex-US gov Bioterrorism advisor) was recently on the Joe Rogan podcast, and discussed the Wuhan lab conspiracy theory. His take that Corvid-19 was way too elegant, too sophisticated to be a man-made bio-weapon.
So I tend to go with Occam' razor here. Brilliant conspiracy theory/thriller novel ground though, I admit.
He's not crediting Chinese bioscientists with enough elegance, enough sophistication.....
The real sophistication is 75%+ showing no symptoms. I bet they were really chuffed when they cracked that.
Michael Osterholm (American infectious disease epidemiologist, and ex-US gov Bioterrorism advisor) was recently on the Joe Rogan podcast, and discussed the Wuhan lab conspiracy theory. His take that Corvid-19 was way too elegant, too sophisticated to be a man-made bio-weapon.
So I tend to go with Occam' razor here. Brilliant conspiracy theory/thriller novel ground though, I admit.
"Escaped from a lab" doesn't have to imply anything other than that the lab was doing research into coronaviruses. It could still be a virus that originated in bats.
If Boris couldn't continue, Raab would take over as PM in the short-term but there would then have to be a proper Conservative party leadership election.
I doubt Raab would win that.
I would have thought the final two would most likely be Sunak and Hunt.
It would be sorted out by the MPs nobody sane would now have an election
Oh sure - I agree it probably wouldn't go to members - but my point is it wouldn't automatically be Raab.
At a minimum there would be MPs' votes.
The Cabinet will select a replacement by agreement, probably Raab unfortunately. It would be months before that is put to any kind of vote as the UK would be in a national crisis of even greater proportions that we thought.
Michael Osterholm (American infectious disease epidemiologist, and ex-US gov Bioterrorism advisor) was recently on the Joe Rogan podcast, and discussed the Wuhan lab conspiracy theory. His take that Corvid-19 was way too elegant, too sophisticated to be a man-made bio-weapon.
So I tend to go with Occam' razor here. Brilliant conspiracy theory/thriller novel ground though, I admit.
Occam's razor does not say that the simpler explanation of something is necessarily the correct one, it says you should not multiply entities beyond necessity. It doesn't in this instance favour one theory over the other.
Oh dear. Get well soon Boris. I feel genuinely sad about this.
Regarding the Scottish CMO... I’m struggling to see what’s bad about someone travelling to their own house really, if they’re only with people who they live with in their other house. Maybe that’s not what happened, I’ve not really read it properly
True. The problem is she advised other people not to do it.
Oh dear. Get well soon Boris. I feel genuinely sad about this.
Regarding the Scottish CMO... I’m struggling to see what’s bad about someone travelling to their own house really, if they’re only with people who they live with in their other house. Maybe that’s not what happened, I’ve not really read it properly
What's bad is she's told people not to do that sort of thing and then done it, several times.
Oh dear. Get well soon Boris. I feel genuinely sad about this.
Regarding the Scottish CMO... I’m struggling to see what’s bad about someone travelling to their own house really, if they’re only with people who they live with in their other house. Maybe that’s not what happened, I’ve not really read it properly
It's bad when you appear on TV telling everyone else not to do it and then, erm, go out and do it.
Yes. I guess I think the policy is stupid, but if she’s telling others not to do stuff, she shouldn’t do it herself obviously.
What’s the harm in moving from one empty house to another?
Increased risk of a RTA. Increased risk of a breakdown. Increased risk of a medical emergency in a rural area with fewer facilities than your home town.
I've turned the model into a spreadsheet that you can copy and play around with the numbers. By good chance today is one of the days the model spits out a number for. The model predicted seven and a half thousand deaths by now.
Probably impossible to tell for sure whether people are catching it at work or through other means, but given what these people were potentially exposed to you'd have to put a pretty high probability on the former, sadly.
There are quite a lot of low-paid jobs (HCA, social care, warehouse work, supermarket jobs) that we are really seeing the "social value" of right now and there's a lot of those jobs I really wouldn't want to do right now it if I was, say, fiftysomething and not terribly fit.
But it is not exactly a slow news day, so damage minimal.
Scots will have noticed. As will sturgeon’s enemies in the SNP, eg Alex Salmond.
Yes Salmond is Boris to Sturgeon's May, if she loses the Nationalist majority at Holyrood next year as May lost the Tory majority in 2017 then Salmond like Boris will pounce
If it’s abioweapon, it is a perfect doomsday weapon. Easily transmitted. Scary and nasty. Survives on surfaces for days. A sneeze can send if 70 feet. No immunity.
The idea is you’d make the virus. And also the vaccine. Vaccinate your own population. Then in emergency release it
You, china, have the the vaccine
The virus will not kill billions but it is bad enough to terrify the world and crash economies. So you become the global hegemon, handing out the vaccine, to supplicant countries
But then the virus escapes prematurely, before the vaccine is ready.....
That sounds like something a certain bestselling international thriller writer would come up with...
Sometimes as they say, the truth is stranger than fiction.
Eadric, if you're still around I'm with you on your thoughts on this. I'd better not continue in that vein, however, as we'll be accused of being identical.
But it is not exactly a slow news day, so damage minimal.
Damage considerable... shown to.be weak.
The Scotpol explainer has logged on.
Are the Scottish voters going to give her a kicking as per your devout wish?
No not yet.. but its damaging to Sturgeon as she has been weak and indecisive .it was obvious first up that it was a "man overboard"situatiom .....and she should have gone immediately .
If Boris couldn't continue, Raab would take over as PM in the short-term but there would then have to be a proper Conservative party leadership election.
I doubt Raab would win that.
I would have thought the final two would most likely be Sunak and Hunt.
It would be sorted out by the MPs nobody sane would now have an election
Oh sure - I agree it probably wouldn't go to members - but my point is it wouldn't automatically be Raab.
At a minimum there would be MPs' votes.
The Cabinet will select a replacement by agreement, probably Raab unfortunately. It would be months before that is put to any kind of vote as the UK would be in a national crisis of even greater proportions that we thought.
And no matter how grave the crisis, there is no way we can have an election durinv lockdown anyway.
But it is not exactly a slow news day, so damage minimal.
Scots will have noticed. As will sturgeon’s enemies in the SNP, eg Alex Salmond.
Yes Salmond is Boris to Sturgeon's May, if she loses the Nationalist majority at Holyrood next year as May lost the Tory majority in 2017 then Salmond like Boris will pounce
Michael Osterholm (American infectious disease epidemiologist, and ex-US gov Bioterrorism advisor) was recently on the Joe Rogan podcast, and discussed the Wuhan lab conspiracy theory. His take that Corvid-19 was way too elegant, too sophisticated to be a man-made bio-weapon.
So I tend to go with Occam' razor here. Brilliant conspiracy theory/thriller novel ground though, I admit.
"Escaped from a lab" doesn't have to imply anything other than that the lab was doing research into coronaviruses. It could still be a virus that originated in bats.
Yes, quite. That’s been my belief from early in feb.
The fact there was a lab investigating bat coronaviruses just a few hundred meters from the fateful ‘wet market’ of Wuhan is too much coincidence to believe.
So. It came from honest scientists doing honest research, but it leaked. Maybe a worker sold a Lab bat in the black wet market.
It sounds far too much like a conspiracy theory to me.
I'd like to see real solid evidence from reputable sources before I give it the time of day.
Oh dear. Get well soon Boris. I feel genuinely sad about this.
Regarding the Scottish CMO... I’m struggling to see what’s bad about someone travelling to their own house really, if they’re only with people who they live with in their other house. Maybe that’s not what happened, I’ve not really read it properly
WRT Scottish CMO:
I actually agree on the going to a second home, if you traval only with mebers of your own family bring your own food stay in the house when you get there and don't interact with anybody while there, then the risk of increasing the spread is probably minimal.
But:
What I don't like is the people setting the rules not flowing them. Those in power will fell less resistant about taking away freedoms and liberty of others if they do not expect to have to follow the same rules.
While it might be argues that COVID is a spashale case, I think it is shining a light on an attitude an agagance, and its reminding me why I'm a libertarian and pushing me towards Anarchism.
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*actually I'm not sure about that, but I think it was a few more years before annual parliaments were required, I might be wrong on that.
https://twitter.com/kelvinnewman/status/1246904252775137281
Good time to resign.
Johnson is in an NHS hospital in London where he will stay for “as long as needed”.
Johnson was taken to hospital earlier this evening, he has been admitted, so expected to stay in overnight and is having what are described as ‘routine tests’ -
Nothing routine about this situation....
(*Though, now I type that, I can't see any reason why )
On a lighter note, proud, very proud.
https://twitter.com/Historic_Ally/status/1246753288181166081?s=20
Statement from Dr Catherine Calderwood.
Whats the alternative - make it up as it unfolds?
Not least because the alternatives hardly inspire confidence.
Regarding the Scottish CMO... I’m struggling to see what’s bad about someone travelling to their own house really, if they’re only with people who they live with in their other house. Maybe that’s not what happened, I’ve not really read it properly
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/01/cats-can-infect-each-other-with-coronavirus-chinese-study-finds
I doubt Raab would win that.
I would have thought the final two would most likely be Sunak and Hunt.
"In the novel, it is uncertain whether China has "won". It crafted the virus to wreak economic havoc once its own fortress was built - but suffered greatly when it had the virus released from a Wuhan lab by foreign powers, appalled after having learnt of its plans. Of course, neither side could admit what had occurred.
The foreign powers hadn't won either, not with so many tens of million dead. But along with the rest of the world, they had settled into a policy of "buy China last". China was gradually crumbling from this lack of trade. The Chinese Communist Party was riven with factions. We join as a military plot on whether to invade Taiwan is being decided upon...."
I've turned the model into a spreadsheet that you can copy and play around with the numbers. By good chance today is one of the days the model spits out a number for. The model predicted seven and a half thousand deaths by now.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XTwPjI5l4d_xZAXOQy72LU8eRoPJyfU6fp9Hgx1flUo/edit?usp=sharing
All developed countries presumably have the necessary emergency communications infrastructure for high-level government as to not require face-to-face meetings with the top bods. Why not use them? Yes it's going above and beyond the official advice to the general public, but politicians meet a lot of people (and a lot of those people are important to emergency response, senior administrators and advisers) so from a risk management point of view it's worth being stricter to prevent the response being damaged by inconveniently timed incapacitations at the top. At the very least cutting down on handshakes and unnecessary meetings weeks before (how often would a phone call suffice?) could have been a decent start. Instead, there were still members of the public going round tours of the Palace of Westminster and lots of MPs and cabinet ministers holding relatively unimportant visits and meetings just a few weeks ago.
https://twitter.com/Number10cat/status/1246895323844403200
What’s the harm in moving from one empty house to another?
I think that's what made her position even more tenuous. What she did wasn't just going arguably against the spirit of the campaign she was fronting, it was something that had been actively and specifically condemned. It would utterly undermine the credibility of the messaging if she continued in her position.
Amazing timing too - just elected today.
But it is not exactly a slow news day, so damage minimal.
If i read the medical thing right days 10 to 15 or so are where the greatest numbers of fatalities occur if there has been no recovery signs.
So I tend to go with Occam' razor here. Brilliant conspiracy theory/thriller novel ground though, I admit.
At a minimum there would be MPs' votes.
A GNU is not needed. Both sides parking partisan nonsense for a bit so that they work together on the important matters, including bringing in the opposition to some degree, and the opposition continuing to provide constructive challenge, that is what is needed.
And I think by and large that is what they will both do.
The real sophistication is 75%+ showing no symptoms. I bet they were really chuffed when they cracked that.
Best wishes to any on here who are suffering - @Floater’s son, I think. @GideonWise and @MaxPB too. And anyone else.
Are the Scottish voters going to give her a kicking as per your devout wish?
Are you getting it yet?
Three drivers, two controllers.
Probably impossible to tell for sure whether people are catching it at work or through other means, but given what these people were potentially exposed to you'd have to put a pretty high probability on the former, sadly.
There are quite a lot of low-paid jobs (HCA, social care, warehouse work, supermarket jobs) that we are really seeing the "social value" of right now and there's a lot of those jobs I really wouldn't want to do right now it if I was, say, fiftysomething and not terribly fit.
Tonight our PM lies in hospital.
Eadric, if you're still around I'm with you on your thoughts on this. I'd better not continue in that vein, however, as we'll be accused of being identical.
What a day. I'm off to bed.
The first thing I did on reading this news was to check Betfair, not BBC news.
I'd like to see real solid evidence from reputable sources before I give it the time of day.
I actually agree on the going to a second home, if you traval only with mebers of your own family bring your own food stay in the house when you get there and don't interact with anybody while there, then the risk of increasing the spread is probably minimal.
But:
What I don't like is the people setting the rules not flowing them. Those in power will fell less resistant about taking away freedoms and liberty of others if they do not expect to have to follow the same rules.
While it might be argues that COVID is a spashale case, I think it is shining a light on an attitude an agagance, and its reminding me why I'm a libertarian and pushing me towards Anarchism.