Just had a neighbour knocking on my door, asking why I wasn't out clapping! About half a dozen people are standing in a group, chatting and clapping a couple of houses down. I said I'd forgotten (which I had), and gave a quick clap from the doorstep. Feel like a pariah now. Didn't have the guts to say that the small meet-up was probably a bad idea because of social distancing.
Perhaps a few hacking coughs might have been the thing...?
A writer friends of mine lives on Newfoundland. There are currently 183 cases of CV as of today. The big news on the island this evening is that 143 of those cases have now been linked to a single funeral in St Johns in mid May.
Mid-Feb?
Mid March?
Seventeen *days*? Hey Sunil, I don't wanna rain on your parade, but we're not gonna last seventeen hours! Those things are gonna come in here just like they did before.
A writer friends of mine lives on Newfoundland. There are currently 183 cases of CV as of today. The big news on the island this evening is that 143 of those cases have now been linked to a single funeral in St Johns in mid May.
Mid-Feb?
If it’s infecting people six weeks before they meet, we really are in trouble!
I blame that bloody Dr. Who - and that new fangled blue "isolation box" of hers.....
Or maybe it was the time machine Hyufd used to go back and explain to Viscount Tenby that although he thought he was a Liberal, he really wasn’t, because Hyufd knew he was a Conservative.
Coming on for 30% of recorded new cases today were in the US. Tomorrow New York alone will pass 100k cases. Its really unbelievable.
Is it really? A totally dysfunctional health system and (for New York) a city with ghetto areas and a subway system in which people are packed like sardines?
Just had a neighbour knocking on my door, asking why I wasn't out clapping! About half a dozen people are standing in a group, chatting and clapping a couple of houses down. I said I'd forgotten (which I had), and gave a quick clap from the doorstep. Feel like a pariah now. Didn't have the guts to say that the small meet-up was probably a bad idea because of social distancing.
You should have held up a sign saying "keep 2 metres away please!"
And use very large letters so that it can only be read from >2m away.
Coming on for 30% of recorded new cases today were in the US. Tomorrow New York alone will pass 100k cases. Its really unbelievable.
Is it really? A totally dysfunctional health system and (for New York) a city with ghetto areas and a subway system in which people are packed like sardines?
The richest country in the world that spends more per capita on healthcare than anyone else? It took some really spectacular incompetence and neglect for things to come to this.
So.... I'm feeling ropey. Achey and shakey. Developing a sore throat and a tickly cough and really light headed. I've been at work all week, but just started 4 days off. Managed a shop last night after work so plenty of supplies in. I just don't want to pass whatever bug I have to my wife, but it's a bit difficult to isolate in our small house. I'll take the garden shed.
Just had a neighbour knocking on my door, asking why I wasn't out clapping! About half a dozen people are standing in a group, chatting and clapping a couple of houses down. I said I'd forgotten (which I had), and gave a quick clap from the doorstep. Feel like a pariah now. Didn't have the guts to say that the small meet-up was probably a bad idea because of social distancing.
You should have held up a sign saying "keep 2 metres away please!"
And use very large letters so that it can only be read from >2m away.
A writer friends of mine lives on Newfoundland. There are currently 183 cases of CV as of today. The big news on the island this evening is that 143 of those cases have now been linked to a single funeral in St Johns in mid May.
Mid-Feb?
Mid March?
Seventeen *days*? Hey Sunil, I don't wanna rain on your parade, but we're not gonna last seventeen hours! Those things are gonna come in here just like they did before.
What do you mean *they* cut the power? How could they cut the power, Ishmael? They're viruses!
We live in a road with large detached houses widely spaced, nobody out clapping last week. Every house bar 1 out this week, pots, pans, you name it. Can understand if people don't want to do it but is it really that much to ask given what NHS staff and carers are doing for us?
It is mawkish, and It is deliberately framed to be about the NHS when it could be just about doctors and nurses and support staff. I have nothing against the NHS, which in principle a wonderful thing, but plenty against NHS themed mawkishness, which brought us brexit. And I wonder how thrilled the medical profession are about it all and whether they wouldn't prefer some ppe and a pay rise.
Your entitled to your opinion but I hope it grows. It's the least yI feel we can do and it costs you sod all except 5 minutes of your life. I was genuinely surprised at the turnout.
We live in a road with large detached houses widely spaced, nobody out clapping last week. Every house bar 1 out this week, pots, pans, you name it. Can understand if people don't want to do it but is it really that much to ask given what NHS staff and carers are doing for us?
I didn't do it last week because I hadn't heard about it. I did do it this week.
A writer friends of mine lives on Newfoundland. There are currently 183 cases of CV as of today. The big news on the island this evening is that 143 of those cases have now been linked to a single funeral in St Johns in mid May.
Mid-Feb?
If it’s infecting people six weeks before they meet, we really are in trouble!
I blame that bloody Dr. Who - and that new fangled blue "isolation box" of hers.....
Or maybe it was the time machine Hyufd used to go back and explain to Viscount Tenby that although he thought he was a Liberal, he really wasn’t, because Hyufd knew he was a Conservative.
We can safely say that from the time he became a Minister and particularly as a rather illiberal Home Secretary from 1954-7, he had gone the full Monty Tory and not on its progressive wing.
Just had a neighbour knocking on my door, asking why I wasn't out clapping! About half a dozen people are standing in a group, chatting and clapping a couple of houses down. I said I'd forgotten (which I had), and gave a quick clap from the doorstep. Feel like a pariah now. Didn't have the guts to say that the small meet-up was probably a bad idea because of social distancing.
You should have held up a sign saying "keep 2 metres away please!"
I'll do that next time. Written in large letters, of course. And perhaps coughing a bit.
A writer friends of mine lives on Newfoundland. There are currently 183 cases of CV as of today. The big news on the island this evening is that 143 of those cases have now been linked to a single funeral in St Johns in mid May.
Mid-Feb?
If it’s infecting people six weeks before they meet, we really are in trouble!
I blame that bloody Dr. Who - and that new fangled blue "isolation box" of hers.....
Or maybe it was the time machine Hyufd used to go back and explain to Viscount Tenby that although he thought he was a Liberal, he really wasn’t, because Hyufd knew he was a Conservative.
We can safely say that from the time he became a Minister and particularly as a rather illiberal Home Secretary from 1954-7, he had gone the full Monty Tory and not on its progressive wing.
When Winston Churchill was asked why he thought GLG would be OK as Home Secretary, he replied, ‘He will hang them all right if he has to.’
And of course, in the case of Ruth Ellis, he did.
But what Churchill really seems to have wanted is his name. As long as Gwilym sat in his cabinet - and indeed, in Eden’s too - he could pose as the true inheritor of interwar Liberalism, ahead off both the rump of Liberals and Labour (who of course had their own Lloyd George, Meghan, to parade). Very useful in taking the centre ground.
Gwilym was a curious character though. This is a rather interesting article on him by the Cymmrodorion (for those who don’t know, that’s a Welsh cultural and academic society based in London dedicated to furthering the study of Wales and the Welsh):
We live in a road with large detached houses widely spaced, nobody out clapping last week. Every house bar 1 out this week, pots, pans, you name it. Can understand if people don't want to do it but is it really that much to ask given what NHS staff and carers are doing for us?
It is mawkish, and It is deliberately framed to be about the NHS when it could be just about doctors and nurses and support staff. I have nothing against the NHS, which in principle a wonderful thing, but plenty against NHS themed mawkishness, which brought us brexit. And I wonder how thrilled the medical profession are about it all and whether they wouldn't prefer some ppe and a pay rise.
Your entitled to your opinion but I hope it grows. It's the least yI feel we can do and it costs you sod all except 5 minutes of your life. I was genuinely surprised at the turnout.
The fact that it costs sod all is not a point in its favour.
We live in a road with large detached houses widely spaced, nobody out clapping last week. Every house bar 1 out this week, pots, pans, you name it. Can understand if people don't want to do it but is it really that much to ask given what NHS staff and carers are doing for us?
It is mawkish, and It is deliberately framed to be about the NHS when it could be just about doctors and nurses and support staff. I have nothing against the NHS, which in principle a wonderful thing, but plenty against NHS themed mawkishness, which brought us brexit. And I wonder how thrilled the medical profession are about it all and whether they wouldn't prefer some ppe and a pay rise.
Yes. My other half works for the NHS in a lab-based role, though there is a chance that she could get drafted on to the front line, which she isn't exactly looking forward to. She and almost all her colleagues find the clapping thing incredibly condescending, and she has forbidden me from joining in. She'd much rather have a properly funded NHS.
We live in a road with large detached houses widely spaced, nobody out clapping last week. Every house bar 1 out this week, pots, pans, you name it. Can understand if people don't want to do it but is it really that much to ask given what NHS staff and carers are doing for us?
It is mawkish, and It is deliberately framed to be about the NHS when it could be just about doctors and nurses and support staff. I have nothing against the NHS, which in principle a wonderful thing, but plenty against NHS themed mawkishness, which brought us brexit. And I wonder how thrilled the medical profession are about it all and whether they wouldn't prefer some ppe and a pay rise.
Your entitled to your opinion but I hope it grows. It's the least yI feel we can do and it costs you sod all except 5 minutes of your life. I was genuinely surprised at the turnout.
The fact that it costs sod all is not a point in its favour.
I went out after lunch to visit the pharmacy (curbside only now) and found that in the parking lot of my local church there is now a drive thru covid-19 testing station up and running. It wasn't there 2 days ago.
For somebody who is apologising after it was pointed out his officers and the magistrate had broken the law, this seems singularly unapologetic: ‘This was in circumstances where officers were properly dealing with someone who was behaving suspiciously in the station, and who staff believed to be travelling without a valid ticket. Officers were rightfully challenging her unnecessary travel.’
We live in a road with large detached houses widely spaced, nobody out clapping last week. Every house bar 1 out this week, pots, pans, you name it. Can understand if people don't want to do it but is it really that much to ask given what NHS staff and carers are doing for us?
It is mawkish, and It is deliberately framed to be about the NHS when it could be just about doctors and nurses and support staff. I have nothing against the NHS, which in principle a wonderful thing, but plenty against NHS themed mawkishness, which brought us brexit. And I wonder how thrilled the medical profession are about it all and whether they wouldn't prefer some ppe and a pay rise.
Yes. My other half works for the NHS in a lab-based role, though there is a chance that she could get drafted on to the front line, which she isn't exactly looking forward to. She and almost all her colleagues find the clapping thing incredibly condescending, and she has forbidden me from joining in. She'd much rather have a properly funded NHS.
Most NHS staff probably feel, with good reason, that they should be entitled to gratitude for working hours in a crisis, and for the stress that working in any environment where one has to deal with experiencing heartbreak and death of patients and families on a daily basis. They probably don’t think they should require gratitude for risking their lives because that shouldn’t be part of the deal.
A writer friends of mine lives on Newfoundland. There are currently 183 cases of CV as of today. The big news on the island this evening is that 143 of those cases have now been linked to a single funeral in St Johns in mid May.
Not just clapping and banging pans but fireworks round our way as well. I imagine next week, the loudness competition is going to ramp up even further.
When are the management consultants working from home going to get a neighbourly shout out?
Just had a neighbour knocking on my door, asking why I wasn't out clapping! About half a dozen people are standing in a group, chatting and clapping a couple of houses down. I said I'd forgotten (which I had), and gave a quick clap from the doorstep. Feel like a pariah now. Didn't have the guts to say that the small meet-up was probably a bad idea because of social distancing.
Yes, that's the problem with this sort of stuff. It becomes quasi Stalinist.
I agree with @Dura_Ace strangely that it's a bit too Juche.
Just had a neighbour knocking on my door, asking why I wasn't out clapping! About half a dozen people are standing in a group, chatting and clapping a couple of houses down. I said I'd forgotten (which I had), and gave a quick clap from the doorstep. Feel like a pariah now. Didn't have the guts to say that the small meet-up was probably a bad idea because of social distancing.
Charity by humilitation. Not good.
Fine if you want to do it, but don't guilt trip others into doing it.
People love the authority to judge and compel others.
A writer friends of mine lives on Newfoundland. There are currently 183 cases of CV as of today. The big news on the island this evening is that 143 of those cases have now been linked to a single funeral in St Johns in mid May.
Heard it and again and like last time didn’t go out there. Next door neighbour honked his car horn to kick it all off. Reaction is mixed at my workplace, some nurses and clinicians I spoke to really like it and the respect they are being shown and others find it a bit silly and OTT.
For somebody who is apologising after it was pointed out his officers and the magistrate had broken the law, this seems singularly unapologetic: ‘This was in circumstances where officers were properly dealing with someone who was behaving suspiciously in the station, and who staff believed to be travelling without a valid ticket. Officers were rightfully challenging her unnecessary travel.’
There’s a whole header to be written on How to Apologise and Mean It.
The graph shows that the peak of cases (by onset of symptoms) occurred the day after the lockdown!
That could happen if the virus had been in circulation earlier than people suspected and that the fatality rate is lower than expected. There will be hell to pay if people think it proves that the lockdowns make no difference
Heard it and again and like last time didn’t go out there. Next door neighbour honked his car horn to kick it all off. Reaction is mixed at my workplace, some nurses and clinicians I spoke to really like it and the respect they are being shown and others find it a bit silly and OTT.
Dead quiet round here.
Admittedly all of my neighbours are quite frail and if they have any sense are staying indoors. The exception wouldn’t be interested in anything twee.
The graph shows that the peak of cases (by onset of symptoms) occurred the day after the lockdown!
That could happen if the virus had been in circulation earlier than people suspected and that the fatality rate is lower than expected. There will be hell to pay if people think it proves that the lockdowns make no difference
The point I'm making is that the graph doesn't show what the tweet claimed - that cases had already stopped growing before the lockdown.
It shows the opposite - they were growing before the lockdown, but almost immediately after it they started to decrease, just as one would expect.
This reminds me of a defence lawyer's reply when asked how he could justify defending criminals. 'If there's no defence lawyers, there's nothing to stop the government sending you to prison'
Just had a neighbour knocking on my door, asking why I wasn't out clapping! About half a dozen people are standing in a group, chatting and clapping a couple of houses down. I said I'd forgotten (which I had), and gave a quick clap from the doorstep. Feel like a pariah now. Didn't have the guts to say that the small meet-up was probably a bad idea because of social distancing.
Yes, that's the problem with this sort of stuff. It becomes quasi Stalinist.
I agree with @Dura_Ace strangely that it's a bit too Juche.
Yes it all smacks a bit like the "poppy police" to me too. Though I was rather more taken by this stuck to the wall outside the hospital. A bit schmaltzy, but took a little effort.
Not just clapping and banging pans but fireworks round our way as well. I imagine next week, the loudness competition is going to ramp up even further.
When are the management consultants working from home going to get a neighbourly shout out?
The graph shows that the peak of cases (by onset of symptoms) occurred the day afte r the lockdown!
That could happen if the virus had been in circulation earlier than people suspected and that the fatality rate is lower than expected. There will be hell to pay if people think it proves that the lockdowns make no difference
The point I'm making is that the graph doesn't show what the tweet claimed - that cases had already stopped growing before the lockdown.
It shows the opposite - they were growing before the lockdown, but almost immediately after it they started to decrease, just as one would expect.
It takes nearly a week for symptoms to start onsetting, that is why our cases are still rising despite lockdown. So if the peak of symptoms was the day lockdown then that means the peak of contagion was a week before.
That would be the highest daily new death toll anywhere?
But is the UK counting deaths in nursing homes?
The UK only counts people who die *in* hospitals.
Those are the ones that are published daily. However, the ONS has started issuing a weekly report of the number of Death Certificates that mention Covid-19:
Heard it and again and like last time didn’t go out there. Next door neighbour honked his car horn to kick it all off. Reaction is mixed at my workplace, some nurses and clinicians I spoke to really like it and the respect they are being shown and others find it a bit silly and OTT.
Nice as a one off, I think, but if it becomes "a thing" it will end up being divisive with some angry and some laughing at it.
A writer friends of mine lives on Newfoundland. There are currently 183 cases of CV as of today. The big news on the island this evening is that 143 of those cases have now been linked to a single funeral in St Johns in mid May.
The graph shows that the peak of cases (by onset of symptoms) occurred the day after the lockdown!
Shouldn't the peak of cases (by onset of symptoms) be a week after the lockdown?
It should be about 5 days after the lockdown (the average incubation period) and in fact if you exclude the single tall spike the day after the lockdown, the next highest figure is 4 days after the lockdown.
Perhaps that's what the twit was getting at, but if so it was a spurious argument based on a single data point.
For somebody who is apologising after it was pointed out his officers and the magistrate had broken the law, this seems singularly unapologetic: ‘This was in circumstances where officers were properly dealing with someone who was behaving suspiciously in the station, and who staff believed to be travelling without a valid ticket. Officers were rightfully challenging her unnecessary travel.’
There’s a whole header to be written on How to Apologise and Mean It.
I can just about forgive the police officers. The status of the guidance and the obscurity of the relevant provisions doesn’t make their job easy. I really cannot excuse the Crown. It is a lawyer’s job to ensure that the facts fall within the relevant provisions. I also cannot excuse the Justice who should have asked for chapter and verse on such a new and novel provision. He should really be asked to take an extended break to reflect.
This reminds me of a defence lawyer's reply when asked how he could justify defending criminals. 'If there's no defence lawyers, there's nothing to stop the government sending you to prison'
As I am sure you know you cannot defend a client you *know* to be guilty. You can draw your own conclusions about it but if he says OK I dunnit, but please get me off you should try to persuade him to plead guilty, and withdraw from the case if he won't.
The graph shows that the peak of cases (by onset of symptoms) occurred the day after the lockdown!
Shouldn't the peak of cases (by onset of symptoms) be a week after the lockdown?
It should be about 5 days after the lockdown (the average incubation period) and in fact if you exclude the single tall spike the day after the lockdown, the next highest figure is 4 days after the lockdown.
Perhaps that's what the twit was getting at, but if so it was a spurious argument based on a single data point.
A significant number of Italian cases were concentrated in Lombardy. The lockdown there set in earlier. That's why the graph is misleading.
That would be the highest daily new death toll anywhere?
But is the UK counting deaths in nursing homes?
The UK only counts people who die *in* hospitals.
Those are the ones that are published daily. However, the ONS has started issuing a weekly report of the number of Death Certificates that mention Covid-19:
The graph shows that the peak of cases (by onset of symptoms) occurred the day after the lockdown!
Shouldn't the peak of cases (by onset of symptoms) be a week after the lockdown?
It should be about 5 days after the lockdown (the average incubation period) and in fact if you exclude the single tall spike the day after the lockdown, the next highest figure is 4 days after the lockdown.
Perhaps that's what the twit was getting at, but if so it was a spurious argument based on a single data point.
A significant number of Italian cases were concentrated in Lombardy. The lockdown there set in earlier. That's why the graph is misleading.
I repeat again - the chart DOESN'T show the number of cases decreased before the lockdown on 9 March.
Heard it and again and like last time didn’t go out there. Next door neighbour honked his car horn to kick it all off. Reaction is mixed at my workplace, some nurses and clinicians I spoke to really like it and the respect they are being shown and others find it a bit silly and OTT.
Nice as a one off, I think, but if it becomes "a thing" it will end up being divisive with some angry and some laughing at it.
Diana's funeral lasted all day. The Olympic opening ceremony lasted a couple of hours. The clap only lasts five minutes. At least these tasteless communitarian spasms are getting shorter.
Those with OCD can't wash more than they already were?
Oh we can, as a germaphobe with OCD my hands are getting washed even more so, so much so I think they might wear away, and I'm a heavy lotion user.
OCD is a really distressing illness which is not about being clean and tidy. I really hate it when it gets trivialised like this.
I've been recovering from/coping with OCD since I was 13 - the hand washing is a really nasty flashback. Wasn't my only compulsion, but it was a big one - managed to get the washing down to under 20 times a day this week, which is a big plus.
Coming on for 30% of recorded new cases today were in the US. Tomorrow New York alone will pass 100k cases. Its really unbelievable.
Is it really? A totally dysfunctional health system and (for New York) a city with ghetto areas and a subway system in which people are packed like sardines?
The richest country in the world that spends more per capita on healthcare than anyone else? It took some really spectacular incompetence and neglect for things to come to this.
They may spend more per capita, but 12(ish)% of them have no health insurance at all. Also the costs of treatment are hugely inflated. Insulin is over $300 per month in the US and about $50 per month outside the US.
That would be the highest daily new death toll anywhere?
But is the UK counting deaths in nursing homes?
The UK only counts people who die *in* hospitals.
Those are the ones that are published daily. However, the ONS has started issuing a weekly report of the number of Death Certificates that mention Covid-19:
For somebody who is apologising after it was pointed out his officers and the magistrate had broken the law, this seems singularly unapologetic: ‘This was in circumstances where officers were properly dealing with someone who was behaving suspiciously in the station, and who staff believed to be travelling without a valid ticket. Officers were rightfully challenging her unnecessary travel.’
There’s a whole header to be written on How to Apologise and Mean It.
I can just about forgive the police officers. The status of the guidance and the obscurity of the relevant provisions doesn’t make their job easy. I really cannot excuse the Crown. It is a lawyer’s job to ensure that the facts fall within the relevant provisions. I also cannot excuse the Justice who should have asked for chapter and verse on such a new and novel provision. He should really be asked to take an extended break to reflect.
Absolutely.
You'd be disgusted to see this from a Mags court, but from a DJ, very disappointing indeed. He ought to have thrown it out the minute he understood the case.
Just had a neighbour knocking on my door, asking why I wasn't out clapping! About half a dozen people are standing in a group, chatting and clapping a couple of houses down. I said I'd forgotten (which I had), and gave a quick clap from the doorstep. Feel like a pariah now. Didn't have the guts to say that the small meet-up was probably a bad idea because of social distancing.
You should have held up a sign saying "keep 2 metres away please!"
And use very large letters so that it can only be read from >2m away.
How scientific is the 2 metres? When people cough or sneeze the droplets can travel 7 metres so the 2m rule is questionable effectiveness.
We live in a road with large detached houses widely spaced, nobody out clapping last week. Every house bar 1 out this week, pots, pans, you name it. Can understand if people don't want to do it but is it really that much to ask given what NHS staff and carers are doing for us?
Excellent humblebragging
I really wasn't, but if that's the way you want to interpret it so be it, someone is always ready to view things in the worst light.
I was just surprised at the turnout in this type of area where everyone is behind electric gates and generally keep to themselves. We expected to be the only people out. It was a nice experience but belittle it by all means.
For somebody who is apologising after it was pointed out his officers and the magistrate had broken the law, this seems singularly unapologetic: ‘This was in circumstances where officers were properly dealing with someone who was behaving suspiciously in the station, and who staff believed to be travelling without a valid ticket. Officers were rightfully challenging her unnecessary travel.’
There’s a whole header to be written on How to Apologise and Mean It.
Just speaking to one of my colleagues in Greece, stuck there as his flight back to work here got cancelled. It looks as if he will be there until May at least. There the police patrol the streets, and arrest people who do not have an electronic permit to leave the house. Now that is a bit more totalitarian!
The biggest problem is the packs of street dogs, with nothing to eat. They killed a person a few days ago.
The Georgia primary is on May 19th. The state has sent an absentee ballot form to all voters, and I got mine today. The form has already been filled with your information. All they need the voter to fill out is a DOB, type of ballot requested, email address, phone number (so they can contact you if needed) and a dated signature. They even suggest you scan the completed form and email it back.
That's pretty good thinking from the secretary of state. Well done, Mr Raffensperger.
Just had a neighbour knocking on my door, asking why I wasn't out clapping! About half a dozen people are standing in a group, chatting and clapping a couple of houses down. I said I'd forgotten (which I had), and gave a quick clap from the doorstep. Feel like a pariah now. Didn't have the guts to say that the small meet-up was probably a bad idea because of social distancing.
You should have held up a sign saying "keep 2 metres away please!"
And use very large letters so that it can only be read from >2m away.
How scientific is the 2 metres? When people cough or sneeze the droplets can travel 7 metres so the 2m rule is questionable effectiveness.
Who came up with it?
I remember the days when the medical officers were telling us outdoor events were OK...the 6 nations, cheltenham and so forth...
Spain is to extend the lockdown to April 26. The pain is going to go on a lot longer than people expect. On current trends that would leave the UK in the same boat at least a week longer. I'd love to say with confidence that that would be it but the odds are that it will continue to be extended.
The graph shows that the peak of cases (by onset of symptoms) occurred the day after the lockdown!
The Italian lockdown started on 9th March, not the 17th as indicated on that chart. There was a lockdown in Lombardia prior to that.
Where do you see an indication on the chart that the lockdown was on the 17th?
The grey box starting at the 17th is an indication that data may be incomplete after that date, not a marker for the date of the lockdown.
Ah, my mistake. The grey box is to indicate that the data after that point is incomplete is it? But surely that affects the size and peaks of the graph.
During what period were the samples taken? Surely we need to know that to interpret the graph.
Those with OCD can't wash more than they already were?
Oh we can, as a germaphobe with OCD my hands are getting washed even more so, so much so I think they might wear away, and I'm a heavy lotion user.
OCD is a really distressing illness which is not about being clean and tidy. I really hate it when it gets trivialised like this.
I've been recovering from/coping with OCD since I was 13 - the hand washing is a really nasty flashback. Wasn't my only compulsion, but it was a big one - managed to get the washing down to under 20 times a day this week, which is a big plus.
I am sorry to hear that. Having seen it up close and personal I would not wish it on my worst enemy.
Spain is to extend the lockdown to April 26. The pain is going to go on a lot longer than people expect. On current trends that would leave the UK in the same boat at least a week longer. I'd love to say with confidence that that would be it but the odds are that it will continue to be extended.
I'm thinking beginning of May for partial relaxation - probably in those counties with few cases. No pubs/restaurants, but otherwise go to work, keep washing your hands etc...
We have 58 cases in BCP - probably a few hundred more yet to be discovered. Out of a population of 350k. In a month it should be pretty much down to 0 cases again.
For somebody who is apologising after it was pointed out his officers and the magistrate had broken the law, this seems singularly unapologetic: ‘This was in circumstances where officers were properly dealing with someone who was behaving suspiciously in the station, and who staff believed to be travelling without a valid ticket. Officers were rightfully challenging her unnecessary travel.’
There’s a whole header to be written on How to Apologise and Mean It.
Just speaking to one of my colleagues in Greece, stuck there as his flight back to work here got cancelled. It looks as if he will be there until May at least. There the police patrol the streets, and arrest people who do not have an electronic permit to leave the house. Now that is a bit more totalitarian!
The biggest problem is the packs of street dogs, with nothing to eat. They killed a person a few days ago.
Holy feck. The way these bad science fiction tropes quietly infiltrate real everyday life, and are hardly even surprising when they do, is dispiriting.
Just had a neighbour knocking on my door, asking why I wasn't out clapping! About half a dozen people are standing in a group, chatting and clapping a couple of houses down. I said I'd forgotten (which I had), and gave a quick clap from the doorstep. Feel like a pariah now. Didn't have the guts to say that the small meet-up was probably a bad idea because of social distancing.
You should have held up a sign saying "keep 2 metres away please!"
And use very large letters so that it can only be read from >2m away.
How scientific is the 2 metres? When people cough or sneeze the droplets can travel 7 metres so the 2m rule is questionable effectiveness.
The graph shows that the peak of cases (by onset of symptoms) occurred the day after the lockdown!
Shouldn't the peak of cases (by onset of symptoms) be a week after the lockdown?
It should be about 5 days after the lockdown (the average incubation period) and in fact if you exclude the single tall spike the day after the lockdown, the next highest figure is 4 days after the lockdown.
Perhaps that's what the twit was getting at, but if so it was a spurious argument based on a single data point.
A significant number of Italian cases were concentrated in Lombardy. The lockdown there set in earlier. That's why the graph is misleading.
I repeat again - the chart DOESN'T show the number of cases decreased before the lockdown on 9 March.
I agree completely, just wanted to point out that the apex of Italy's curve should not be expected to look rounded, due to interference of two distinct curves for different parts of the country.
For somebody who is apologising after it was pointed out his officers and the magistrate had broken the law, this seems singularly unapologetic: ‘This was in circumstances where officers were properly dealing with someone who was behaving suspiciously in the station, and who staff believed to be travelling without a valid ticket. Officers were rightfully challenging her unnecessary travel.’
There’s a whole header to be written on How to Apologise and Mean It.
Just speaking to one of my colleagues in Greece, stuck there as his flight back to work here got cancelled. It looks as if he will be there until May at least. There the police patrol the streets, and arrest people who do not have an electronic permit to leave the house. Now that is a bit more totalitarian!
The biggest problem is the packs of street dogs, with nothing to eat. They killed a person a few days ago.
Foxy...I encountered a city fox in Oxford, midday, completely unfazed by me a meter away....wasn't even keeping to social distancing rules....the loss of the students half eaten kebabs is causing major issues with the city ecosystems...
That would be the highest daily new death toll anywhere?
But is the UK counting deaths in nursing homes?
The UK only counts people who die *in* hospitals.
Those are the ones that are published daily. However, the ONS has started issuing a weekly report of the number of Death Certificates that mention Covid-19:
The way this "data" is collected and used invalidates any conclusions drawn from it other than the blindingly obvious.
"...ending 20, March..." In a fortnight those graphs will look quite different.
I was really referring to all of the CV19 "data" in relation to what can be learned from it. All this on the hoof, undisciplined collection of different data pretending to be identical can only be fodder for cowboy journos.
Not just clapping and banging pans but fireworks round our way as well. I imagine next week, the loudness competition is going to ramp up even further.
When are the management consultants working from home going to get a neighbourly shout out?
You can join Teams for one.
We have started using Microsoft Teams now all our department are working from home. One of the department (in a private message) quipped "I don't know about you, but when I see four women on webcams, I start looking for a 'tip' button".
Spain is to extend the lockdown to April 26. The pain is going to go on a lot longer than people expect. On current trends that would leave the UK in the same boat at least a week longer. I'd love to say with confidence that that would be it but the odds are that it will continue to be extended.
12 weeks is the absolute minimum I expect here. For some of us it will be a lot longer.
Spain is to extend the lockdown to April 26. The pain is going to go on a lot longer than people expect. On current trends that would leave the UK in the same boat at least a week longer. I'd love to say with confidence that that would be it but the odds are that it will continue to be extended.
discussion with mates the other night found us all broadly agreeing that we couldn't see the lockdown being maintained over the Bank Holiday Weekend of Friday 8th May.
Even if its still in place, I think you will see mass disobedience that weekend.
We live in a road with large detached houses widely spaced, nobody out clapping last week. Every house bar 1 out this week, pots, pans, you name it. Can understand if people don't want to do it but is it really that much to ask given what NHS staff and carers are doing for us?
It is mawkish, and It is deliberately framed to be about the NHS when it could be just about doctors and nurses and support staff. I have nothing against the NHS, which in principle a wonderful thing, but plenty against NHS themed mawkishness, which brought us brexit. And I wonder how thrilled the medical profession are about it all and whether they wouldn't prefer some ppe and a pay rise.
Your entitled to your opinion but I hope it grows. It's the least yI feel we can do and it costs you sod all except 5 minutes of your life. I was genuinely surprised at the turnout.
The fact that it costs sod all is not a point in its favour.
Look, it's a simple gesture that a lot of people feel they want to make. You don't that's fine but I don't see what people get out of it trying to criticise and moan about it and complain about being made to feel guilty if they don't take part.
The graph shows that the peak of cases (by onset of symptoms) occurred the day after the lockdown!
The Italian lockdown started on 9th March, not the 17th as indicated on that chart. There was a lockdown in Lombardia prior to that.
Where do you see an indication on the chart that the lockdown was on the 17th?
The grey box starting at the 17th is an indication that data may be incomplete after that date, not a marker for the date of the lockdown.
Ah, my mistake. The grey box is to indicate that the data after that point is incomplete is it? But surely that affects the size and peaks of the graph.
During what period were the samples taken? Surely we need to know that to interpret the graph.
The data inside the grey boxes just need to be ignored. Otherwise they're meant to be daily figures, the dark blue ones classed by date of symptom onset, the light blue by date of diagnosis.
Those with OCD can't wash more than they already were?
Oh we can, as a germaphobe with OCD my hands are getting washed even more so, so much so I think they might wear away, and I'm a heavy lotion user.
OCD is a really distressing illness which is not about being clean and tidy. I really hate it when it gets trivialised like this.
I've been recovering from/coping with OCD since I was 13 - the hand washing is a really nasty flashback. Wasn't my only compulsion, but it was a big one - managed to get the washing down to under 20 times a day this week, which is a big plus.
I am sorry to hear that. Having seen it up close and personal I would not wish it on my worst enemy.
Glad that you are coping with it now.
Thanks @Cyclefree . Exercise helps a lot - and my new peloton arrived today. It is really good!
I saw that you had impending housing problems - hope solutions are to be found soon, if not already.
Coming on for 30% of recorded new cases today were in the US. Tomorrow New York alone will pass 100k cases. Its really unbelievable.
Is it really? A totally dysfunctional health system and (for New York) a city with ghetto areas and a subway system in which people are packed like sardines?
The richest country in the world that spends more per capita on healthcare than anyone else? It took some really spectacular incompetence and neglect for things to come to this.
They may spend more per capita, but 12(ish)% of them have no health insurance at all. Also the costs of treatment are hugely inflated. Insulin is over $300 per month in the US and about $50 per month outside the US.
For well off and insured individuals it provides the best medicine in the world (provided you don’t get addicted to painkillers). For the herd it has been shown to be totally unfit for purpose.
Spain is to extend the lockdown to April 26. The pain is going to go on a lot longer than people expect. On current trends that would leave the UK in the same boat at least a week longer. I'd love to say with confidence that that would be it but the odds are that it will continue to be extended.
discussion with mates the other night found us all broadly agreeing that we couldn't see the lockdown being maintained over the Bank Holiday Weekend of Friday 8th May.
Even if its still in place, I think you will see mass disobedience that weekend.
Having spent every day since October praying for decent weather I am now praying for foul weather to overcome the picnicking instinct (and because the ground is absolutely baked and the grass won't grow).
The graph shows that the peak of cases (by onset of symptoms) occurred the day after the lockdown!
Shouldn't the peak of cases (by onset of symptoms) be a week after the lockdown?
It should be about 5 days after the lockdown (the average incubation period) and in fact if you exclude the single tall spike the day after the lockdown, the next highest figure is 4 days after the lockdown.
Perhaps that's what the twit was getting at, but if so it was a spurious argument based on a single data point.
A significant number of Italian cases were concentrated in Lombardy. The lockdown there set in earlier. That's why the graph is misleading.
I repeat again - the chart DOESN'T show the number of cases decreased before the lockdown on 9 March.
The chart shows transmission peaking before the 9th. Given the time lag between infection and the onset of symptoms, the exponential growth of cases stopped abruptly days before the 9th.
Its entirely probable the lockdown in Lombardy plus people taking matters into their own hands is the reason but there was a definite change BEFORE the 9th from that chart.
Wow. But who knows what's around the corner. If Theresa can lose a massive poll lead overnight owing to an obscure manifesto commitment on social care (supposedly) then it could all go horribly wrong and horribly quickly for Boris over the Corona crisis.
Just had a neighbour knocking on my door, asking why I wasn't out clapping! About half a dozen people are standing in a group, chatting and clapping a couple of houses down. I said I'd forgotten (which I had), and gave a quick clap from the doorstep. Feel like a pariah now. Didn't have the guts to say that the small meet-up was probably a bad idea because of social distancing.
You should have held up a sign saying "keep 2 metres away please!"
And use very large letters so that it can only be read from >2m away.
How scientific is the 2 metres? When people cough or sneeze the droplets can travel 7 metres so the 2m rule is questionable effectiveness.
Who came up with it?
Certainly better than 1m.
Not as good as 3. Worse than that, no good at all. To paraphrase mighty Matt, surely no metres is better than bad metres?
By the way, we don’t need to wear a face mask when we go out.
Every expert this question is given to either avoids it, or admits any cloth is suitable for preventing the droplets travelling about. So a scarf or snood is okay scientifically so should be culturally fine.
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I'd offer you all some, but you know, social distancing and all that.....
And of course, in the case of Ruth Ellis, he did.
But what Churchill really seems to have wanted is his name. As long as Gwilym sat in his cabinet - and indeed, in Eden’s too - he could pose as the true inheritor of interwar Liberalism, ahead off both the rump of Liberals and Labour (who of course had their own Lloyd George, Meghan, to parade). Very useful in taking the centre ground.
Gwilym was a curious character though. This is a rather interesting article on him by the Cymmrodorion (for those who don’t know, that’s a Welsh cultural and academic society based in London dedicated to furthering the study of Wales and the Welsh):
https://www.cymmrodorion.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Major-Gwilym-Lloyd-George.pdf
‘This was in circumstances where officers were properly dealing with someone who was behaving suspiciously in the station, and who staff believed to be travelling without a valid ticket. Officers were rightfully challenging her unnecessary travel.’
Well done. The price of liberty is eternal vigilance. Paranoia takes over apparently civilized systems with incredible rapidity.
I agree with @Dura_Ace strangely that it's a bit too Juche.
Gives them a sense of power.
The graph shows that the peak of cases (by onset of symptoms) occurred the day after the lockdown!
https://twitter.com/alichat66/status/1245637003061768197?s=21
Admittedly all of my neighbours are quite frail and if they have any sense are staying indoors. The exception wouldn’t be interested in anything twee.
It shows the opposite - they were growing before the lockdown, but almost immediately after it they started to decrease, just as one would expect.
'If there's no defence lawyers, there's nothing to stop the government sending you to prison'
https://twitter.com/ONS/status/1244905924000731136?s=20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_LEBZHP2OA
Perhaps that's what the twit was getting at, but if so it was a spurious argument based on a single data point.
The grey box starting at the 17th is an indication that data may be incomplete after that date, not a marker for the date of the lockdown.
You'd be disgusted to see this from a Mags court, but from a DJ, very disappointing indeed. He ought to have thrown it out the minute he understood the case.
Who came up with it?
I was just surprised at the turnout in this type of area where everyone is behind electric gates and generally keep to themselves. We expected to be the only people out. It was a nice experience but belittle it by all means.
The biggest problem is the packs of street dogs, with nothing to eat. They killed a person a few days ago.
That's pretty good thinking from the secretary of state. Well done, Mr Raffensperger.
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the money wasted by the media in '10 - '15. wasted.
During what period were the samples taken? Surely we need to know that to interpret the graph.
Glad that you are coping with it now.
We have 58 cases in BCP - probably a few hundred more yet to be discovered. Out of a population of 350k. In a month it should be pretty much down to 0 cases again.
One of the department (in a private message) quipped
"I don't know about you, but when I see four women on webcams, I start looking for a 'tip' button".
Even if its still in place, I think you will see mass disobedience that weekend.
https://www.epicentro.iss.it/coronavirus/bollettino/Infografica_2aprile ENG.pdf
The data inside the grey boxes just need to be ignored. Otherwise they're meant to be daily figures, the dark blue ones classed by date of symptom onset, the light blue by date of diagnosis.
I saw that you had impending housing problems - hope solutions are to be found soon, if not already.
https://twitter.com/DailyMirror/status/1245809226406133762?s=20
Ah - its for total toll, not one day as the tweet suggests!
Its entirely probable the lockdown in Lombardy plus people taking matters into their own hands is the reason but there was a definite change BEFORE the 9th from that chart.
By the way, we don’t need to wear a face mask when we go out.
Every expert this question is given to either avoids it, or admits any cloth is suitable for preventing the droplets travelling about. So a scarf or snood is okay scientifically so should be culturally fine.