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  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609

    Andrew said:

    I missed it too - what is it?

    I was vacillating between James Milner and Jamie Murray.

    Couldn't be James Milner, he is too busy organizing his tea bags and sharpening pencils,

    https://twitter.com/JamesMilner/status/1239283281297903616?s=20

    https://twitter.com/JamesMilner/status/1241028104363139072?s=20
    Milner, those pencils - 2B or not 2B?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695

    Zoom Virtual Party proving a big hit.

    Devon x 2, Wimbledon, Bristol x2, Nothern Ireland, Sussex, Derby all hooked up playing games.

    And no red wine spilt on the sofa, Carrie...

    Looking to run our book club (8 members) 'virtually' next week. by video conference.

    What (free) platform would PBers recommend bearing in mid we will be first-time users: Facetime, WhatsApp, Skype, Zoom, something else?

    Thanks
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609
    edited March 2020
    Charles said:

    Thanks for the supportive messages about my situation a couple of threads back. Although I disagree with at least half of the people here at least half of the time, it's still the best place to come on the internet. I've learnt so much here from the collective wisdom and I feel a real affinity with all who post here, even if am a minor player in that respect. I hope that I'll be able to continue to enjoy PB as a sane refuge over what are bound to be a few crazy months coming up. Thank you all.

    Wow. Good luck. My sister is an employment lawyer so am sure we can get you some recommendations if you need.
    I'd still say with things as they are, stay employed until its over.....
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Charles said:

    It's pretty grim right now isn't it? That phrase from Lord Grey that Eadric posted a fortnight ago has been haunting me:

    "The lamps are going out all over Europe, we shall not see them lit again in our life-time"

    I don't think it's that extreme, but it's a sobering thought that not all of us may make it through this. And we may know people who don't.

    In the meantime we are entering collective purdah and that, in itself, is a heavy pall over our mood.

    We need some humour.

    Grey's remark was a play on the much more positive comment by Latimer: "We shall this day light such a candle in England, as I hope, by God's grace, shall never be put out"

    Keep the candle burning
    I can never think of that quote from Latimer without feeling sick to the core, I'm afraid. I don't find it uplifting, I just think of the inhumanity of the circumstances. Sorry.
    I think of the bravery of the man, who could be so selfless at the moment of his death
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Mortimer said:

    Thanks for the supportive messages about my situation a couple of threads back. Although I disagree with at least half of the people here at least half of the time, it's still the best place to come on the internet. I've learnt so much here from the collective wisdom and I feel a real affinity with all who post here, even if am a minor player in that respect. I hope that I'll be able to continue to enjoy PB as a sane refuge over what are bound to be a few crazy months coming up. Thank you all.

    Just caught up on your difficulties. Sounds like you acted wonderfully and the boss awfully. Well done you.

    Also, missed it but wishing the best to @Charles and his Father.
    thank you
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,191
    Foxy said:

    JM1 said:

    Foxy said:

    Grim figures from France:

    Head of the French health authority Jérôme Salomon in his daily update said the situation was worsening rapidly in France. Urged people to follow strictly the advice keep 1m distance and wash hands.

    It is “urgent” to do this, he said. There are now 12,612 confirmed cases in France, and 450 deaths. Of the deaths, 87% were aged over 70 years old. There are 5,226 people in hospital, 35% of them over 65 years old: 1,297 of these are in intensive care, 50% under 60 years old. 1,587 have been released from hospital.


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/mar/20/coronavirus-live-updates-outbreak-deaths-italy-uk-us-australia-europe-vaccine-china-global-economy-toll-latest-update-news

    It seems younger people aren't much less likely to end up in intensive care (for those that have a bad reaction) but they are much less likely to die of it.
    That is the reason ventilator capacity is needed.

    Absolutely. And hopefully the new machines being put together can really achieve this - if they are available within the next week (and at scale) it would make a massive difference by the sound of it. Did your source give an ETA or is it still too early to say?
    JM1 said:

    Foxy said:

    Grim figures from France:

    Head of the French health authority Jérôme Salomon in his daily update said the situation was worsening rapidly in France. Urged people to follow strictly the advice keep 1m distance and wash hands.

    It is “urgent” to do this, he said. There are now 12,612 confirmed cases in France, and 450 deaths. Of the deaths, 87% were aged over 70 years old. There are 5,226 people in hospital, 35% of them over 65 years old: 1,297 of these are in intensive care, 50% under 60 years old. 1,587 have been released from hospital.


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/mar/20/coronavirus-live-updates-outbreak-deaths-italy-uk-us-australia-europe-vaccine-china-global-economy-toll-latest-update-news

    It seems younger people aren't much less likely to end up in intensive care (for those that have a bad reaction) but they are much less likely to die of it.
    That is the reason ventilator capacity is needed.

    Absolutely. And hopefully the new machines being put together can really achieve this - if they are available within the next week (and at scale) it would make a massive difference by the sound of it. Did your source give an ETA or is it still too early to say?
    Time is certainly of the essence, but the team are fully aware of this.

    They do need to what it says on the tin. I have full and entire faith in the design team.

    There seems to be an effect that young people spend longer in intensive care than older people (because older people die), so 50% of people in intensive care under 60 does not mean that 50% of people going into intensive care are under 60
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,720
    There'll be bluebirds over ...
    Dame Vera Lynn is 103 today.    Duracell bunny eat your heart out.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609

    Zoom Virtual Party proving a big hit.

    Devon x 2, Wimbledon, Bristol x2, Nothern Ireland, Sussex, Derby all hooked up playing games.

    And no red wine spilt on the sofa, Carrie...

    Looking to run our book club (8 members) 'virtually' next week. by video conference.

    What (free) platform would PBers recommend bearing in mid we will be first-time users: Facetime, WhatsApp, Skype, Zoom, something else?

    Thanks
    Zoom worked fine, easy to download and operate. Free version times out within the hour, so you all have to log back in occasionally, or you can pay about £12 a month for the whistles and bells version.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,862
    I think that I prefer this sort of chart to be plotting something like the RRR in an ODI to be honest
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,868

    Zoom Virtual Party proving a big hit.

    Devon x 2, Wimbledon, Bristol x2, Nothern Ireland, Sussex, Derby all hooked up playing games.

    And no red wine spilt on the sofa, Carrie...

    Looking to run our book club (8 members) 'virtually' next week. by video conference.

    What (free) platform would PBers recommend bearing in mid we will be first-time users: Facetime, WhatsApp, Skype, Zoom, something else?

    Thanks
    Zoom.us, it's great. We're doing a zoom party tomorrow, I'll host it as I've got a pro account from work and it won't time out after 40 mins.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Zoom Virtual Party proving a big hit.

    Devon x 2, Wimbledon, Bristol x2, Nothern Ireland, Sussex, Derby all hooked up playing games.

    And no red wine spilt on the sofa, Carrie...

    hooking up via the internet... at your age!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    There is a killer virus sweeping the world, 1000s of people dying, the government have just announced the biggest load of helicopter money in 50+ years and closed all the pubs and clubs.

    UK twitter trending....cancel the labour leadership election (and keep Jezza).
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609
    edited March 2020
    If there is, their agent is currently getting a bollocking, darling......
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    French police taking their usual approach of gentle persuasion to deal with people ignoring the lockdown....

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8130457/France-extend-coronavirus-lockdown-face-mask-shortage-bites.html
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720
    MaxPB said:

    Zoom Virtual Party proving a big hit.

    Devon x 2, Wimbledon, Bristol x2, Nothern Ireland, Sussex, Derby all hooked up playing games.

    And no red wine spilt on the sofa, Carrie...

    Looking to run our book club (8 members) 'virtually' next week. by video conference.

    What (free) platform would PBers recommend bearing in mid we will be first-time users: Facetime, WhatsApp, Skype, Zoom, something else?

    Thanks
    Zoom.us, it's great. We're doing a zoom party tomorrow, I'll host it as I've got a pro account from work and it won't time out after 40 mins.
    A friend with swab proven COVID19 zoomed into her pilates class...
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,205

    There is a killer virus sweeping the world, 1000s of people dying, the government have just announced the biggest load of helicopter money in 50+ years and closed all the pubs and clubs.

    UK twitter trending....cancel the labour leadership election (and keep Jezza).

    Please lol no, my Khan winnings aren't going to arrive for another year. Labour really needs Starmer in charge anyway.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424

    It's pretty grim right now isn't it? That phrase from Lord Grey that Eadric posted a fortnight ago has been haunting me:

    "The lamps are going out all over Europe, we shall not see them lit again in our life-time"

    I don't think it's that extreme, but it's a sobering thought that not all of us may make it through this. And we may know people who don't.

    In the meantime we are entering collective purdah and that, in itself, is a heavy pall over our mood.

    We need some humour.

    *Pedant hat ON*
    At the time he allegedly made that remark, he was Sir Edward Grey. He was not elevated to the peerage until 1916.
    *Pedant hat OFF*
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,862

    There is a killer virus sweeping the world, 1000s of people dying, the government have just announced the biggest load of helicopter money in 50+ years and closed all the pubs and clubs.

    UK twitter trending....cancel the labour leadership election (and keep Jezza).

    What was that about needing humour?
  • kicorsekicorse Posts: 435
    DavidL said:

    I think that I prefer this sort of chart to be plotting something like the RRR in an ODI to be honest
    Spain has set a challenging target but provided we keep enough social activities in hand, we should chase it down.
  • eggegg Posts: 1,749

    After Emmerdale tonight they referred to HMG advice re pubs and safe spacing and urged everyone to follow the advice, but went on to say their episodes are filmed six weeks in advance so they will continue to show pub scenes and close contact, (or words to that effect)


    I think they should can those episodes. Too many people struggle to separate soaps from real life.
    Reshoot with some sheep worrying scenes.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,225
    Andrew said:

    I missed it too - what is it?

    I was vacillating between James Milner and Jamie Murray.

    Jacob Marley.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,570

    Zoom Virtual Party proving a big hit.

    Devon x 2, Wimbledon, Bristol x2, Nothern Ireland, Sussex, Derby all hooked up playing games.

    And no red wine spilt on the sofa, Carrie...

    Looking to run our book club (8 members) 'virtually' next week. by video conference.

    What (free) platform would PBers recommend bearing in mid we will be first-time users: Facetime, WhatsApp, Skype, Zoom, something else?

    Thanks
    For work meetings we have started using Microsoft Teams which is a million times easier to use than Skype for Business. Extremely good platform which is not falling over as yet in spite of taking a real hammering.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,037

    There is a killer virus sweeping the world, 1000s of people dying, the government have just announced the biggest load of helicopter money in 50+ years and closed all the pubs and clubs.

    UK twitter trending....cancel the labour leadership election (and keep Jezza).

    He'll be in lockdown from Monday.

    Add your own punchline...
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464
    egg said:

    After Emmerdale tonight they referred to HMG advice re pubs and safe spacing and urged everyone to follow the advice, but went on to say their episodes are filmed six weeks in advance so they will continue to show pub scenes and close contact, (or words to that effect)


    I think they should can those episodes. Too many people struggle to separate soaps from real life.
    Reshoot with some sheep worrying scenes.
    They do - it’s called Pobl y Cwm ( joke, joke, JOKE!!)
  • AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 3,855
    edited March 2020

    There is a killer virus sweeping the world, 1000s of people dying, the government have just announced the biggest load of helicopter money in 50+ years and closed all the pubs and clubs.

    UK twitter trending....cancel the labour leadership election (and keep Jezza).

    Ah, the old Twitter bubble.

    My floating voter mother rang me to specifically say how wonderful she thought Rishi Sunak was, and that 'John McDonald' was useless and tone deaf. And she misses Charlie Kennedy.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    It's pretty grim right now isn't it? That phrase from Lord Grey that Eadric posted a fortnight ago has been haunting me:

    "The lamps are going out all over Europe, we shall not see them lit again in our life-time"

    I don't think it's that extreme, but it's a sobering thought that not all of us may make it through this. And we may know people who don't.

    In the meantime we are entering collective purdah and that, in itself, is a heavy pall over our mood.

    We need some humour.

    Sir Edward Grey in August 1914.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
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  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424
    RobD said:

    ydoethur said:

    It's pretty grim right now isn't it? That phrase from Lord Grey that Eadric posted a fortnight ago has been haunting me:

    "The lamps are going out all over Europe, we shall not see them lit again in our life-time"

    I don't think it's that extreme, but it's a sobering thought that not all of us may make it through this. And we may know people who don't.

    In the meantime we are entering collective purdah and that, in itself, is a heavy pall over our mood.

    We need some humour.

    *Pedant hat ON*
    At the time he allegedly made that remark, he was Sir Edward Grey. He was not elevated to the peerage until 1916.
    *Pedant hat OFF*
    You can take yours off?
    Well, yes. How else do you suppose I can pass it to you?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,218

    Zoom Virtual Party proving a big hit.

    Devon x 2, Wimbledon, Bristol x2, Nothern Ireland, Sussex, Derby all hooked up playing games.

    And no red wine spilt on the sofa, Carrie...

    Looking to run our book club (8 members) 'virtually' next week. by video conference.

    What (free) platform would PBers recommend bearing in mid we will be first-time users: Facetime, WhatsApp, Skype, Zoom, something else?

    Thanks
    I believe most people use https://redtube.com
  • glwglw Posts: 9,908

    French police taking their usual approach of gentle persuasion to deal with people ignoring the lockdown....

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8130457/France-extend-coronavirus-lockdown-face-mask-shortage-bites.html

    That's more like it.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,037

    Zoom Virtual Party proving a big hit.

    Devon x 2, Wimbledon, Bristol x2, Nothern Ireland, Sussex, Derby all hooked up playing games.

    And no red wine spilt on the sofa, Carrie...

    Looking to run our book club (8 members) 'virtually' next week. by video conference.

    What (free) platform would PBers recommend bearing in mid we will be first-time users: Facetime, WhatsApp, Skype, Zoom, something else?

    Thanks
    For work meetings we have started using Microsoft Teams which is a million times easier to use than Skype for Business. Extremely good platform which is not falling over as yet in spite of taking a real hammering.
    We use both. I'm more used to Skype for Business, which is what we use instead of phone calls these days.
  • ukpaulukpaul Posts: 649
    Nigelb said:

    Andrew said:

    I missed it too - what is it?

    I was vacillating between James Milner and Jamie Murray.

    Jacob Marley.
    Johnny Marr?
    Jenni Murray?
    The ghost of Jessica Mitford?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    edited March 2020
    Apparently the supermarkets are trying to hire 50,000 new employees over the next few weeks. Given that the chancellor has just announced the massive helicopter money and that people will get 80% of their salary, I wonder where they are going to get these people? Students? People who work Uber?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695
    edited March 2020
    Charles said:

    RobD said:

    I don't know. Spend a bit of time sorting out the online grocery shopping and I miss #JM1gate

    I missed it too - what is it?
    We're not supposed to talk about it anymore. :o
    If you back at the previous thread he no longer exists.

    Just some ghosts in other people's comments

    But him... pooof! gone!
    Had a quick look - can't even find the ghosts - given up now.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    glw said:

    French police taking their usual approach of gentle persuasion to deal with people ignoring the lockdown....

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8130457/France-extend-coronavirus-lockdown-face-mask-shortage-bites.html

    That's more like it.
    If a police officer was caught doing that here (if we need a lockdown), it would be a national scandal for weeks.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935
    Charles said:

    RobD said:

    I don't know. Spend a bit of time sorting out the online grocery shopping and I miss #JM1gate

    I missed it too - what is it?
    We're not supposed to talk about it anymore. :o
    If you back at the previous thread he no longer exists.

    Just some ghosts in other people's comments

    But him... pooof! gone!
    We are next if we don't shut up. :o
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    kicorse said:

    Charles said:

    Alistair said:

    Socialism is good actually says the chancellor

    We are all socialists in a crisis.

    In fairness, conservativism has provision for that - Tories say they are pragmatic, altering their policies to the circumstances.
    I disagree.

    We are all communitarians.

    Socialism involves compulsion
    Some versions do, some don't. The problem with the word "socialism" is that it covers such a broad range of ideas that one person (e.g. me) can treat it as obvious basic human decency, and another person with the same values can regard it as a threat to civilised society.
    Yes, I wasn’t meaning to be provocative - quite the opposite in fact. I simply mean socialism in the economic sense of the term, socialised risk for our fellow human. Not a dig at our Tory friends at all. Hope everyone is keeping safe and well.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491
    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    Alistair said:

    Socialism is good actually says the chancellor

    We are all socialists in a crisis.

    In fairness, conservativism has provision for that - Tories say they are pragmatic, altering their policies to the circumstances.
    Arguably conservatism helped get us into this mess.
    Utter nonsense
    This was foreseen, we were warned, we did nothing.
    So every government worldwide were warned of this pandemic and did nothing
    Pretty much. Before the outbreak we were warned. When it spread in China. When it spread in Italy. All took a conservative approach. Sadly no safety in numbers.
    I think next time no chances will be taken.
    Flights will be suspended immediately.

    It's crazy that didn't happen this time.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695

    Apparently the supermarkets are trying to hire 50,000 new employees over the next few weeks. Given that the chancellor has just announced the massive helicopter money and that people will get 80% of their salary, I wonder where they are going to get these people? Students? People who work Uber?

    How many zero hours employees will be getting exactly that, zero hours? They are not helped by the chancellor's welcome intervention today unless I have misunderstood.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119

    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    Alistair said:

    Socialism is good actually says the chancellor

    We are all socialists in a crisis.

    In fairness, conservativism has provision for that - Tories say they are pragmatic, altering their policies to the circumstances.
    Arguably conservatism helped get us into this mess.
    Utter nonsense
    This was foreseen, we were warned, we did nothing.
    So every government worldwide were warned of this pandemic and did nothing
    Pretty much. Before the outbreak we were warned. When it spread in China. When it spread in Italy. All took a conservative approach. Sadly no safety in numbers.
    I think next time no chances will be taken.
    Flights will be suspended immediately.

    It's crazy that didn't happen this time.
    I saw an interesting model of disease spread such as this. The problem is unless you are going to stop all flights and I mean all flights (no rescuing nationals), even allowing a very small number of flights soon results in little difference to if you had just allowed all flights.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486

    Zoom Virtual Party proving a big hit.

    Devon x 2, Wimbledon, Bristol x2, Nothern Ireland, Sussex, Derby all hooked up playing games.

    And no red wine spilt on the sofa, Carrie...

    Looking to run our book club (8 members) 'virtually' next week. by video conference.

    What (free) platform would PBers recommend bearing in mid we will be first-time users: Facetime, WhatsApp, Skype, Zoom, something else?

    Thanks
    Zoom worked fine, easy to download and operate. Free version times out within the hour, so you all have to log back in occasionally, or you can pay about £12 a month for the whistles and bells version.
    Zoom is the best I’ve tried (and I’ve tried lots). Think it will become the standard after this global stress test!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    edited March 2020

    Apparently the supermarkets are trying to hire 50,000 new employees over the next few weeks. Given that the chancellor has just announced the massive helicopter money and that people will get 80% of their salary, I wonder where they are going to get these people? Students? People who work Uber?

    How many zero hours employees will be getting exactly that, zero hours? They are not helped by the chancellor's welcome intervention today unless I have misunderstood.
    Yes you misunderstood. He said ZHC were covered, and although he didn't go into details, my guess would be like holiday pay, it will be based on an average of the past x months of earnings.

    Now, I don't know about Uber drivers, because you are technically self-employed.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720
    edited March 2020

    Charles said:

    RobD said:

    I don't know. Spend a bit of time sorting out the online grocery shopping and I miss #JM1gate

    I missed it too - what is it?
    We're not supposed to talk about it anymore. :o
    If you back at the previous thread he no longer exists.

    Just some ghosts in other people's comments

    But him... pooof! gone!
    Had a quick look - can't even find the ghosts - given up now.
    He was just a figment of our imaginations...
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491
    Pulpstar said:

    There is a killer virus sweeping the world, 1000s of people dying, the government have just announced the biggest load of helicopter money in 50+ years and closed all the pubs and clubs.

    UK twitter trending....cancel the labour leadership election (and keep Jezza).

    Please lol no, my Khan winnings aren't going to arrive for another year. Labour really needs Starmer in charge anyway.
    His victory "matures" in barely two weeks, and almost all the votes are postal.

    So I don't think that will be postponed.
  • glwglw Posts: 9,908

    I saw an interesting model of disease spread such as this. The problem is unless you are going to stop all flights and I mean all flights (no rescuing nationals), even allowing a very small number of flights soon results in little difference to if you had just allowed all flights.

    There was a paper that came out at the end of January, from UK authors, which said that the Chinese quarantine would have to be 99.9% effective IIRC. I'm pretty sure it was 99.9% or 99%. Anyway the point they were making was that it was vanishingly improbable that the disease would be contained in China.

  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    Charles said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Zoom Virtual Party proving a big hit.

    Devon x 2, Wimbledon, Bristol x2, Nothern Ireland, Sussex, Derby all hooked up playing games.

    And no red wine spilt on the sofa, Carrie...

    Looking to run our book club (8 members) 'virtually' next week. by video conference.

    What (free) platform would PBers recommend bearing in mid we will be first-time users: Facetime, WhatsApp, Skype, Zoom, something else?

    Thanks
    I believe most people use https://redtube.com
    Shouldn't you add a NSFW warning...
    A banning offence??
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491

    Zoom Virtual Party proving a big hit.

    Devon x 2, Wimbledon, Bristol x2, Nothern Ireland, Sussex, Derby all hooked up playing games.

    And no red wine spilt on the sofa, Carrie...

    Looking to run our book club (8 members) 'virtually' next week. by video conference.

    What (free) platform would PBers recommend bearing in mid we will be first-time users: Facetime, WhatsApp, Skype, Zoom, something else?

    Thanks
    For work meetings we have started using Microsoft Teams which is a million times easier to use than Skype for Business. Extremely good platform which is not falling over as yet in spite of taking a real hammering.
    We use both. I'm more used to Skype for Business, which is what we use instead of phone calls these days.
    Skype is absolute shite.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491
    rcs1000 said:

    Zoom Virtual Party proving a big hit.

    Devon x 2, Wimbledon, Bristol x2, Nothern Ireland, Sussex, Derby all hooked up playing games.

    And no red wine spilt on the sofa, Carrie...

    Looking to run our book club (8 members) 'virtually' next week. by video conference.

    What (free) platform would PBers recommend bearing in mid we will be first-time users: Facetime, WhatsApp, Skype, Zoom, something else?

    Thanks
    I believe most people use https://redtube.com
    Mods? Spam porno post.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720
    Charles said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Zoom Virtual Party proving a big hit.

    Devon x 2, Wimbledon, Bristol x2, Nothern Ireland, Sussex, Derby all hooked up playing games.

    And no red wine spilt on the sofa, Carrie...

    Looking to run our book club (8 members) 'virtually' next week. by video conference.

    What (free) platform would PBers recommend bearing in mid we will be first-time users: Facetime, WhatsApp, Skype, Zoom, something else?

    Thanks
    I believe most people use https://redtube.com
    Shouldn't you add a NSFW warning...
    Though isn't everyone "working from home" in their underpants?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695
    Calling all PB economists - is my thinking right here?:

    1. The government is going to spend a £gazillion in getting us through this crisis.
    2. It can pay for that by simply printing (or rather electronically creating) money.
    3. The net effect of that is to reduce the real value of each £.
    4. Normally that would lead to inflation because imports would become more expensive... but...
    5. Every other major economy (and certainly the EU and the US) is going to have to do the same so:
    6. The net effect will be neutral.

    Is that right?

    If not how is this going to be paid for? (I'm assuming wacking up taxes would be a bad idea at the moment because it would supress demand.)
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    glw said:

    I saw an interesting model of disease spread such as this. The problem is unless you are going to stop all flights and I mean all flights (no rescuing nationals), even allowing a very small number of flights soon results in little difference to if you had just allowed all flights.

    There was a paper that came out at the end of January, from UK authors, which said that the Chinese quarantine would have to be 99.9% effective IIRC. I'm pretty sure it was 99.9% or 99%. Anyway the point they were making was that it was vanishingly improbable that the disease would be contained in China.

    The problem is with a disease where many people suffer no symptoms and no real time test, it doesn't take many infected people to be transported for it to be not much different in the long run as if you had just allowed all flights.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486

    Zoom Virtual Party proving a big hit.

    Devon x 2, Wimbledon, Bristol x2, Nothern Ireland, Sussex, Derby all hooked up playing games.

    And no red wine spilt on the sofa, Carrie...

    Looking to run our book club (8 members) 'virtually' next week. by video conference.

    What (free) platform would PBers recommend bearing in mid we will be first-time users: Facetime, WhatsApp, Skype, Zoom, something else?

    Thanks
    For work meetings we have started using Microsoft Teams which is a million times easier to use than Skype for Business. Extremely good platform which is not falling over as yet in spite of taking a real hammering.
    We use both. I'm more used to Skype for Business, which is what we use instead of phone calls these days.
    Skype is absolute shite.
    Yes, by far the worst of the big name platforms. Garbage.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935

    Calling all PB economists - is my thinking right here?:

    1. The government is going to spend a £gazillion in getting us through this crisis.
    2. It can pay for that by simply printing (or rather electronically creating) money.
    3. The net effect of that is to reduce the real value of each £.
    4. Normally that would lead to inflation because imports would become more expensive... but...
    5. Every other major economy (and certainly the EU and the US) is going to have to do the same so:
    6. The net effect will be neutral.

    Is that right?

    If not how is this going to be paid for? (I'm assuming wacking up taxes would be a bad idea at the moment because it would supress demand.)

    They said in the press conference it would all be financed through the gilts market, so no printing of money.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935

    Charles said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Zoom Virtual Party proving a big hit.

    Devon x 2, Wimbledon, Bristol x2, Nothern Ireland, Sussex, Derby all hooked up playing games.

    And no red wine spilt on the sofa, Carrie...

    Looking to run our book club (8 members) 'virtually' next week. by video conference.

    What (free) platform would PBers recommend bearing in mid we will be first-time users: Facetime, WhatsApp, Skype, Zoom, something else?

    Thanks
    I believe most people use https://redtube.com
    Shouldn't you add a NSFW warning...
    A banning offence??
    Quick, did anyone write down the list of commandments posted a few days ago?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695
    rcs1000 said:

    Zoom Virtual Party proving a big hit.

    Devon x 2, Wimbledon, Bristol x2, Nothern Ireland, Sussex, Derby all hooked up playing games.

    And no red wine spilt on the sofa, Carrie...

    Looking to run our book club (8 members) 'virtually' next week. by video conference.

    What (free) platform would PBers recommend bearing in mid we will be first-time users: Facetime, WhatsApp, Skype, Zoom, something else?

    Thanks
    I believe most people use https://redtube.com
    Thanks for the warning - I'm gonna have to scrub my browsing history again now before Mrs P. does her weekly check!
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    This was posted here earlier, and I make no apologies for reposting as the most critical news of the day:

    https://www.hsj.co.uk/news/hospitals-critical-care-unit-overwhelmed-by-coronavirus-patients/7027189.article
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695
    RobD said:

    Calling all PB economists - is my thinking right here?:

    1. The government is going to spend a £gazillion in getting us through this crisis.
    2. It can pay for that by simply printing (or rather electronically creating) money.
    3. The net effect of that is to reduce the real value of each £.
    4. Normally that would lead to inflation because imports would become more expensive... but...
    5. Every other major economy (and certainly the EU and the US) is going to have to do the same so:
    6. The net effect will be neutral.

    Is that right?

    If not how is this going to be paid for? (I'm assuming wacking up taxes would be a bad idea at the moment because it would supress demand.)

    They said in the press conference it would all be financed through the gilts market, so no printing of money.
    So borrowing?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935

    rcs1000 said:

    Zoom Virtual Party proving a big hit.

    Devon x 2, Wimbledon, Bristol x2, Nothern Ireland, Sussex, Derby all hooked up playing games.

    And no red wine spilt on the sofa, Carrie...

    Looking to run our book club (8 members) 'virtually' next week. by video conference.

    What (free) platform would PBers recommend bearing in mid we will be first-time users: Facetime, WhatsApp, Skype, Zoom, something else?

    Thanks
    I believe most people use https://redtube.com
    Thanks for the warning - I'm gonna have to scrub my browsing history again now before Mrs P. does her weekly check!
    She might be glad you are viewing more websites than just PB. ;)
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,218
    Charles said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Zoom Virtual Party proving a big hit.

    Devon x 2, Wimbledon, Bristol x2, Nothern Ireland, Sussex, Derby all hooked up playing games.

    And no red wine spilt on the sofa, Carrie...

    Looking to run our book club (8 members) 'virtually' next week. by video conference.

    What (free) platform would PBers recommend bearing in mid we will be first-time users: Facetime, WhatsApp, Skype, Zoom, something else?

    Thanks
    I believe most people use https://redtube.com
    Shouldn't you add a NSFW warning...
    Depends on your work, surely
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    edited March 2020
    Foxy said:

    Charles said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Zoom Virtual Party proving a big hit.

    Devon x 2, Wimbledon, Bristol x2, Nothern Ireland, Sussex, Derby all hooked up playing games.

    And no red wine spilt on the sofa, Carrie...

    Looking to run our book club (8 members) 'virtually' next week. by video conference.

    What (free) platform would PBers recommend bearing in mid we will be first-time users: Facetime, WhatsApp, Skype, Zoom, something else?

    Thanks
    I believe most people use https://redtube.com
    Shouldn't you add a NSFW warning...
    Though isn't everyone "working from home" in their underpants?
    Realise that’s in jest, but raises a serious question about how office-based PBers are finding the WFH thing. I WFH 3-4 days a week normally and have a home office so not massively different (although I miss my days in town with actual people).

    Are people getting used to it? (Top tip: get showered and dressed in the morning)
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,218

    rcs1000 said:

    Zoom Virtual Party proving a big hit.

    Devon x 2, Wimbledon, Bristol x2, Nothern Ireland, Sussex, Derby all hooked up playing games.

    And no red wine spilt on the sofa, Carrie...

    Looking to run our book club (8 members) 'virtually' next week. by video conference.

    What (free) platform would PBers recommend bearing in mid we will be first-time users: Facetime, WhatsApp, Skype, Zoom, something else?

    Thanks
    I believe most people use https://redtube.com
    Mods? Spam porno post.
    Sorry @Casino_Royale

    I couldn't resist
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935

    RobD said:

    Calling all PB economists - is my thinking right here?:

    1. The government is going to spend a £gazillion in getting us through this crisis.
    2. It can pay for that by simply printing (or rather electronically creating) money.
    3. The net effect of that is to reduce the real value of each £.
    4. Normally that would lead to inflation because imports would become more expensive... but...
    5. Every other major economy (and certainly the EU and the US) is going to have to do the same so:
    6. The net effect will be neutral.

    Is that right?

    If not how is this going to be paid for? (I'm assuming wacking up taxes would be a bad idea at the moment because it would supress demand.)

    They said in the press conference it would all be financed through the gilts market, so no printing of money.
    So borrowing?
    Yeah, bog standard borrowing.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    I bet these "specialist" websites are doing a roaring trade at the moment.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695
    Dow's not going to stop until it's sub 15,000 now is it?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,037

    Zoom Virtual Party proving a big hit.

    Devon x 2, Wimbledon, Bristol x2, Nothern Ireland, Sussex, Derby all hooked up playing games.

    And no red wine spilt on the sofa, Carrie...

    Looking to run our book club (8 members) 'virtually' next week. by video conference.

    What (free) platform would PBers recommend bearing in mid we will be first-time users: Facetime, WhatsApp, Skype, Zoom, something else?

    Thanks
    For work meetings we have started using Microsoft Teams which is a million times easier to use than Skype for Business. Extremely good platform which is not falling over as yet in spite of taking a real hammering.
    We use both. I'm more used to Skype for Business, which is what we use instead of phone calls these days.
    Skype is absolute shite.
    Yes, by far the worst of the big name platforms. Garbage.
    I guess that's why we are moving to Teams.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695
    RobD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Zoom Virtual Party proving a big hit.

    Devon x 2, Wimbledon, Bristol x2, Nothern Ireland, Sussex, Derby all hooked up playing games.

    And no red wine spilt on the sofa, Carrie...

    Looking to run our book club (8 members) 'virtually' next week. by video conference.

    What (free) platform would PBers recommend bearing in mid we will be first-time users: Facetime, WhatsApp, Skype, Zoom, something else?

    Thanks
    I believe most people use https://redtube.com
    Thanks for the warning - I'm gonna have to scrub my browsing history again now before Mrs P. does her weekly check!
    She might be glad you are viewing more websites than just PB. ;)
    That's a very good point!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,880
    Foxy said:

    Charles said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Zoom Virtual Party proving a big hit.

    Devon x 2, Wimbledon, Bristol x2, Nothern Ireland, Sussex, Derby all hooked up playing games.

    And no red wine spilt on the sofa, Carrie...

    Looking to run our book club (8 members) 'virtually' next week. by video conference.

    What (free) platform would PBers recommend bearing in mid we will be first-time users: Facetime, WhatsApp, Skype, Zoom, something else?

    Thanks
    I believe most people use https://redtube.com
    Shouldn't you add a NSFW warning...
    Though isn't everyone "working from home" in their underpants?
    Substitute the "ork" for an "ank"
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,225
    If anyone wants more stuff to worry about, this is an excellent article on world currency flows:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/20/opinion/coronavirus-economy-currency.html
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,862
    The parents of our sixth formers joined their children on the school steps today to say goodbye to the school they had been at in many cases for 13 years. It was really sad. The school normally has a series of events for sixth formers including various parties and bbqs organised by former pupils, a leaving ceremony and much silliness. My daughter who left 5 years ago said that the last week was one of the best in her life.

    These kids will get none of that. They won’t do the shows and the concerts, their final sports day etc. I feel really sorry for them. Add in the uncertainty and lack of control in respect of their results and the potential consequences for their University admission and you have a desperate state of affairs.

    This generation will never forget Covid 19. My son and his year are to start their sixth year curriculum online on Monday. The Highers they worked for are now forgotten and they move on. I am really glad he has another year to get the things this year is missing.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,218

    Calling all PB economists - is my thinking right here?:

    1. The government is going to spend a £gazillion in getting us through this crisis.
    2. It can pay for that by simply printing (or rather electronically creating) money.
    3. The net effect of that is to reduce the real value of each £.
    4. Normally that would lead to inflation because imports would become more expensive... but...
    5. Every other major economy (and certainly the EU and the US) is going to have to do the same so:
    6. The net effect will be neutral.

    Is that right?

    If not how is this going to be paid for? (I'm assuming wacking up taxes would be a bad idea at the moment because it would supress demand.)

    Personally, I think inflation is the least dangerous way of getting us through this.

  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,218

    Dow's not going to stop until it's sub 15,000 now is it?

    Yes
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609
    ukpaul said:

    Nigelb said:

    Andrew said:

    I missed it too - what is it?

    I was vacillating between James Milner and Jamie Murray.

    Jacob Marley.
    Johnny Marr?
    Jenni Murray?
    The ghost of Jessica Mitford?
    Knock yourself out:

    https://peoplebyinitials.com/?q=JM
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486

    Zoom Virtual Party proving a big hit.

    Devon x 2, Wimbledon, Bristol x2, Nothern Ireland, Sussex, Derby all hooked up playing games.

    And no red wine spilt on the sofa, Carrie...

    Looking to run our book club (8 members) 'virtually' next week. by video conference.

    What (free) platform would PBers recommend bearing in mid we will be first-time users: Facetime, WhatsApp, Skype, Zoom, something else?

    Thanks
    Zoom worked fine, easy to download and operate. Free version times out within the hour, so you all have to log back in occasionally, or you can pay about £12 a month for the whistles and bells version.
    Zoom is good, also Facebook Messenger
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,880

    Zoom Virtual Party proving a big hit.

    Devon x 2, Wimbledon, Bristol x2, Nothern Ireland, Sussex, Derby all hooked up playing games.

    And no red wine spilt on the sofa, Carrie...

    Looking to run our book club (8 members) 'virtually' next week. by video conference.

    What (free) platform would PBers recommend bearing in mid we will be first-time users: Facetime, WhatsApp, Skype, Zoom, something else?

    Thanks
    For work meetings we have started using Microsoft Teams which is a million times easier to use than Skype for Business. Extremely good platform which is not falling over as yet in spite of taking a real hammering.
    We use both. I'm more used to Skype for Business, which is what we use instead of phone calls these days.
    Skype is absolute shite.
    Mum and I just used it to talk to my brother and sister-in-law in Aberdeen, and coo at my little nephew. He's roughly three weeks old :)
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,218
    RobD said:

    Calling all PB economists - is my thinking right here?:

    1. The government is going to spend a £gazillion in getting us through this crisis.
    2. It can pay for that by simply printing (or rather electronically creating) money.
    3. The net effect of that is to reduce the real value of each £.
    4. Normally that would lead to inflation because imports would become more expensive... but...
    5. Every other major economy (and certainly the EU and the US) is going to have to do the same so:
    6. The net effect will be neutral.

    Is that right?

    If not how is this going to be paid for? (I'm assuming wacking up taxes would be a bad idea at the moment because it would supress demand.)

    They said in the press conference it would all be financed through the gilts market, so no printing of money.
    30 year gilts are currently yielding under 1%.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,037

    Foxy said:

    Charles said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Zoom Virtual Party proving a big hit.

    Devon x 2, Wimbledon, Bristol x2, Nothern Ireland, Sussex, Derby all hooked up playing games.

    And no red wine spilt on the sofa, Carrie...

    Looking to run our book club (8 members) 'virtually' next week. by video conference.

    What (free) platform would PBers recommend bearing in mid we will be first-time users: Facetime, WhatsApp, Skype, Zoom, something else?

    Thanks
    I believe most people use https://redtube.com
    Shouldn't you add a NSFW warning...
    Though isn't everyone "working from home" in their underpants?
    Realise that’s in jest, but raises a serious question about how office-based PBers are finding the WFH thing. I WFH 3-4 days a week normally and have a home office so not massively different (although I miss my days in town with actual people).

    Are people getting used to it? (Top tip: get showered and dressed in the morning)
    I normally do it half the time, so less of a change. I'm trying to have virtual coffee breaks with colleagues to maintain a degree of social interaction. We use Skype for Business for this!
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491
    What I need is Geordie's visor so I can walk around and see where the virus is and who the skanky bastards are.

    Bet I'd be shocked.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424
    edited March 2020

    Foxy said:

    Charles said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Zoom Virtual Party proving a big hit.

    Devon x 2, Wimbledon, Bristol x2, Nothern Ireland, Sussex, Derby all hooked up playing games.

    And no red wine spilt on the sofa, Carrie...

    Looking to run our book club (8 members) 'virtually' next week. by video conference.

    What (free) platform would PBers recommend bearing in mid we will be first-time users: Facetime, WhatsApp, Skype, Zoom, something else?

    Thanks
    I believe most people use https://redtube.com
    Shouldn't you add a NSFW warning...
    Though isn't everyone "working from home" in their underpants?
    Substitute the "ork" for an "ank"
    Surely you mean, “substitute an ‘ank’ for the ‘ork’?”
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,862
    RobD said:

    Calling all PB economists - is my thinking right here?:

    1. The government is going to spend a £gazillion in getting us through this crisis.
    2. It can pay for that by simply printing (or rather electronically creating) money.
    3. The net effect of that is to reduce the real value of each £.
    4. Normally that would lead to inflation because imports would become more expensive... but...
    5. Every other major economy (and certainly the EU and the US) is going to have to do the same so:
    6. The net effect will be neutral.

    Is that right?

    If not how is this going to be paid for? (I'm assuming wacking up taxes would be a bad idea at the moment because it would supress demand.)

    They said in the press conference it would all be financed through the gilts market, so no printing of money.
    Given the interest rate on gilts at the moment that is the next best thing to free. But it is also misleading because the BoE is committed to buying £200bn of gilts in the market so it is really still QE.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935
    DavidL said:

    RobD said:

    Calling all PB economists - is my thinking right here?:

    1. The government is going to spend a £gazillion in getting us through this crisis.
    2. It can pay for that by simply printing (or rather electronically creating) money.
    3. The net effect of that is to reduce the real value of each £.
    4. Normally that would lead to inflation because imports would become more expensive... but...
    5. Every other major economy (and certainly the EU and the US) is going to have to do the same so:
    6. The net effect will be neutral.

    Is that right?

    If not how is this going to be paid for? (I'm assuming wacking up taxes would be a bad idea at the moment because it would supress demand.)

    They said in the press conference it would all be financed through the gilts market, so no printing of money.
    Given the interest rate on gilts at the moment that is the next best thing to free. But it is also misleading because the BoE is committed to buying £200bn of gilts in the market so it is really still QE.
    Ah, so it is QE. Sorry, @Benpointer.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486

    Calling all PB economists - is my thinking right here?:

    1. The government is going to spend a £gazillion in getting us through this crisis.
    2. It can pay for that by simply printing (or rather electronically creating) money.
    3. The net effect of that is to reduce the real value of each £.
    4. Normally that would lead to inflation because imports would become more expensive... but...
    5. Every other major economy (and certainly the EU and the US) is going to have to do the same so:
    6. The net effect will be neutral.

    Is that right?

    If not how is this going to be paid for? (I'm assuming wacking up taxes would be a bad idea at the moment because it would supress demand.)

    I’ll have a crack.

    We’ll have to pay for it in increased taxes (weighted heavily towards wealthy/middle class) but only when the economy has recovered.

    Inflation not a short term concern given the massive suppression in aggregate demand. But, need to keep supply of scarce goods up (bog roll) or prices shoot up.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,117
    rcs1000 said:

    Dow's not going to stop until it's sub 15,000 now is it?

    Yes
    And the rest.....global capitalism is fubar..ed
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491
    This seems unbelievably optimistic to me:

    https://twitter.com/KateAndrs/status/1241115045276368902?s=19
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486

    Dow's not going to stop until it's sub 15,000 now is it?

    RobD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Zoom Virtual Party proving a big hit.

    Devon x 2, Wimbledon, Bristol x2, Nothern Ireland, Sussex, Derby all hooked up playing games.

    And no red wine spilt on the sofa, Carrie...

    Looking to run our book club (8 members) 'virtually' next week. by video conference.

    What (free) platform would PBers recommend bearing in mid we will be first-time users: Facetime, WhatsApp, Skype, Zoom, something else?

    Thanks
    I believe most people use https://redtube.com
    Thanks for the warning - I'm gonna have to scrub my browsing history again now before Mrs P. does her weekly check!
    She might be glad you are viewing more websites than just PB. ;)
    That's a very good point!
    😂
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695
    RobD said:

    DavidL said:

    RobD said:

    Calling all PB economists - is my thinking right here?:

    1. The government is going to spend a £gazillion in getting us through this crisis.
    2. It can pay for that by simply printing (or rather electronically creating) money.
    3. The net effect of that is to reduce the real value of each £.
    4. Normally that would lead to inflation because imports would become more expensive... but...
    5. Every other major economy (and certainly the EU and the US) is going to have to do the same so:
    6. The net effect will be neutral.

    Is that right?

    If not how is this going to be paid for? (I'm assuming wacking up taxes would be a bad idea at the moment because it would supress demand.)

    They said in the press conference it would all be financed through the gilts market, so no printing of money.
    Given the interest rate on gilts at the moment that is the next best thing to free. But it is also misleading because the BoE is committed to buying £200bn of gilts in the market so it is really still QE.
    Ah, so it is QE. Sorry, @Benpointer.
    No problem!
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,862
    RobD said:

    DavidL said:

    RobD said:

    Calling all PB economists - is my thinking right here?:

    1. The government is going to spend a £gazillion in getting us through this crisis.
    2. It can pay for that by simply printing (or rather electronically creating) money.
    3. The net effect of that is to reduce the real value of each £.
    4. Normally that would lead to inflation because imports would become more expensive... but...
    5. Every other major economy (and certainly the EU and the US) is going to have to do the same so:
    6. The net effect will be neutral.

    Is that right?

    If not how is this going to be paid for? (I'm assuming wacking up taxes would be a bad idea at the moment because it would supress demand.)

    They said in the press conference it would all be financed through the gilts market, so no printing of money.
    Given the interest rate on gilts at the moment that is the next best thing to free. But it is also misleading because the BoE is committed to buying £200bn of gilts in the market so it is really still QE.
    Ah, so it is QE. Sorry, @Benpointer.
    The government wants to pretend that there is still a market for UK gilts and is willing to pay the market makers a turn for helping them. So the market makers will buy the gilts from the government in the knowledge that the BoE will buy them from them at a slightly higher price. It’s the sort of thing Labour might get angry about if they understood it.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    edited March 2020

    This seems unbelievably optimistic to me:

    twitter.com/KateAndrs/status/1241115045276368902?s=19

    "But there is one big caveat: this modelling assumes that Covid-19, in historical terms anyway, is a short-lived phenomena which is tackled fairly quickly."

    Well you can stick that model in the same bin as the egg-heads initial coronavirus strategy.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695
    edited March 2020
    rcs1000 said:

    Dow's not going to stop until it's sub 15,000 now is it?

    Yes
    Yes it is going to stop or no it isn't going to stop (reach the bottom) before dropping below 15,000?
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    5000 plus new cases in USA
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935

    This seems unbelievably optimistic to me:

    twitter.com/KateAndrs/status/1241115045276368902?s=19

    "But there is one big caveat: this modelling assumes that Covid-19, in historical terms anyway, is a short-lived phenomena which is tackled fairly quickly."

    Well you can stick that model in the same bin as the egg-heads initial coronavirus strategy.
    Depends how big the iceberg is.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    Floater said:

    5000 plus new cases in USA

    Imagine if they were properly testing how many it would be.

    Unless the US have found a drug to mitigate this, it is going to be a incredible shit show.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    RobD said:

    This seems unbelievably optimistic to me:

    twitter.com/KateAndrs/status/1241115045276368902?s=19

    "But there is one big caveat: this modelling assumes that Covid-19, in historical terms anyway, is a short-lived phenomena which is tackled fairly quickly."

    Well you can stick that model in the same bin as the egg-heads initial coronavirus strategy.
    Depends how big the iceberg is.
    Well if the number of celebs getting it are anything to go by, there is no iceberg at all.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695
    DavidL said:

    RobD said:

    DavidL said:

    RobD said:

    Calling all PB economists - is my thinking right here?:

    1. The government is going to spend a £gazillion in getting us through this crisis.
    2. It can pay for that by simply printing (or rather electronically creating) money.
    3. The net effect of that is to reduce the real value of each £.
    4. Normally that would lead to inflation because imports would become more expensive... but...
    5. Every other major economy (and certainly the EU and the US) is going to have to do the same so:
    6. The net effect will be neutral.

    Is that right?

    If not how is this going to be paid for? (I'm assuming wacking up taxes would be a bad idea at the moment because it would supress demand.)

    They said in the press conference it would all be financed through the gilts market, so no printing of money.
    Given the interest rate on gilts at the moment that is the next best thing to free. But it is also misleading because the BoE is committed to buying £200bn of gilts in the market so it is really still QE.
    Ah, so it is QE. Sorry, @Benpointer.
    The government wants to pretend that there is still a market for UK gilts and is willing to pay the market makers a turn for helping them. So the market makers will buy the gilts from the government in the knowledge that the BoE will buy them from them at a slightly higher price. It’s the sort of thing Labour might get angry about if they understood it.
    Because it's effectively a free gift to the market makers?
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Foxy said:

    Charles said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Zoom Virtual Party proving a big hit.

    Devon x 2, Wimbledon, Bristol x2, Nothern Ireland, Sussex, Derby all hooked up playing games.

    And no red wine spilt on the sofa, Carrie...

    Looking to run our book club (8 members) 'virtually' next week. by video conference.

    What (free) platform would PBers recommend bearing in mid we will be first-time users: Facetime, WhatsApp, Skype, Zoom, something else?

    Thanks
    I believe most people use https://redtube.com
    Shouldn't you add a NSFW warning...
    Though isn't everyone "working from home" in their underpants?
    i make a point of dressing for dinner. you have to maintain standards in these difficult times
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,205
    Apparently our confirmed case numbers are using tests that take 3 days whereas other places are on 4 hour testing ?
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,117

    This seems unbelievably optimistic to me:

    https://twitter.com/KateAndrs/status/1241115045276368902?s=19

    Seriously.......this is bollox

  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695
    What does the US “shelter-in-place” decree mean in practice and do we know how many states have implemented it?
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