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What is really incredible about the Richi Sunak is that barely anybody had heard of him just 6 months ago. Now he is barely off the front pages, one of the key faces of the Johnson government and miles ahead of anybody else in the betting for Johnson’s successor as Conservative leader.

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  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,205
    Fall of Saigon at the Supermarket. People seem to have got the memo on hand sanitising, but not really social distancing.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    Second
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,226
    Yes, what a tip that was. And I did not follow it. Sloppy City.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,932
    Rishi Sunak won't have made it until people get his first name right. ;)
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Pulpstar said:

    Fall of Saigon at the Supermarket. People seem to have got the memo on hand sanitising, but not really social distancing.

    My son tells me people were all over each other trying to get toilet paper in ASDA last night - he decided social distancing took precedence over getting even more loo roll.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    Rishi Sunak won't have made it until people get his first name right. ;)

    Subtle, like it :-)
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Powerful stuff

    Leo Varadkar, Ireland’s taoiseach, has won praise for a national address on Tuesday night that made grim predictions and called for sacrifice, responsibility and solidarity, writes Rory Carroll.

    In a rare interruption to television schedules, the premier appeared on screens at 9pm in a sombre and at times emotional speech that struck Churchillian notes in saying many will die and the economy will reel in coming weeks and months.

    “This is the calm before the storm, before the surge. And when it comes, and it will come, never will so many ask so much of so few.”
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,932
    Sunak for Number 10 is OK as a trading bet but at current prices (or even longer prices) you'd wonder when the vacancy will occur. He'd need Boris to step down before losing an election.
  • The idea that China should pay reparations for this crisis due to the incompetent response from western governments is laughable.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    Wasn't Sunak's break when he was put up for one of the election debates in Johnson's stead?
  • nunu2nunu2 Posts: 1,453
    Oh sh*t, the Democrats have been out flanked once again. The GOP are going economic populist whilst keeping their xenophobic bs, all this signals Trump being re-elected. Ffs.
  • The idea that China should pay reparations for this crisis due to the incompetent response from western governments is laughable.

    Who on earth came up with that idea
  • eggegg Posts: 1,749
    Pulpstar said:

    Fall of Saigon at the Supermarket. People seem to have got the memo on hand sanitising, but not really social distancing.

    It’s a good point. Oldies and infirm need to be social distancing, are these select group happy hours to entice them out more of a dangerous gimmick to shift more stock than genuinely helpful? The genuine people at risk should have a proxy in the scrum fighting for them, not themselves?

    What would be genuinely helpful is for these retailers to sort out the mess and breakdown of their deliveries system? The strong way to ration items and share around would be online delivery?
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,167
    edited March 2020
    nunu2 said:

    Oh sh*t, the Democrats have been out flanked once again. The GOP are going economic populist whilst keeping their xenophobic bs, all this signals Trump being re-elected. Ffs.

    Sanders may have done better this year with economic *and* health populism, if he'd just stopped going on about being a socialist, which in large parts of America still equates to Bolshevism.
  • Richi Sunak has burst onto the scene in a field of mainly non descript mps and is destined for the top job some day

    He reminds me of Tony Blair
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,773
    IshmaelZ said:
    Well true, but even that % would have a massive trauma on any country.
  • The person I spent most of last weekend with now has a persistent cough and this morning told me she has a temperature.

    Self isolation should be fun right?
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    I am deeply suspicious of Wykehamists in political life. The two that spring immediately to mind are Milne, and Mosley.
  • Richi Sunak has burst onto the scene in a field of mainly non descript mps and is destined for the top job some day

    He reminds me of Tony Blair

    Yup.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    Typo in the name of the author....
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    IshmaelZ said:
    Well true, but even that % would have a massive trauma on any country.
    Not disagreeing.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677

    Sunak for Number 10 is OK as a trading bet but at current prices (or even longer prices) you'd wonder when the vacancy will occur. He'd need Boris to step down before losing an election.

    Step down or die. He doesn't exactly look in the pink of health before the Rona gets into him.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,932
    nunu2 said:

    Oh sh*t, the Democrats have been out flanked once again. The GOP are going economic populist whilst keeping their xenophobic bs, all this signals Trump being re-elected. Ffs.

    Yes. Trump's landed on the right answer just as the Dems under Pelosi get it wrong.
  • GideonWiseGideonWise Posts: 1,123
    FPT:
    Jonathan:
    "NICE determines cost-effectiveness of treatment using a figure of £20k-£30k per year of life (QALY) gained.

    This appears to have been thrown out of the window for Corona. We are now in 'whatever it takes' territory.
    Not quite."

    It's £20-£30K most of the time but not all. End of life it is 50K per year.

    But the crucial bit is it is £20-30K PER YEAR. How many years shortfall will these people have missed out upon? For some not many (they are old and have multimorbidity etc). For many others it could be a LOT. Your doctors and nurses who are in their prime will lose a lot of QALYs (10+). Multiply that by 30K or 50K and we are talking serious numbers. Average all that out and it will probably be close to this package in monetary terms, although I haven't bothered to crunch the numbers.

    However, that is the health effect that we are trying to counter-act. What none of the models currently are doing is calculating the general equilibrium problem and the feedback loops coming from an economy in recession/depression. That's because these are infectious disease modellers not macroeconomic modellers. They are working in silo with epidemiology data. When the government gets round the macro consequences they will realise they have offered economic policies which are basically a peashooter when we need a bazooker.

    We need a radical plan, something like a free (but low) universal income combined with free utilities and a substantial (for the whole lockdown period) mortgage holiday.
  • The person I spent most of last weekend with now has a persistent cough and this morning told me she has a temperature.

    Self isolation should be fun right?

    We are on day 2 of 3 months and it is quite surreal
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    I see that Sainsbury's new rules prevent buying of more than three of any item and more than two of a list of more popular items.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    IanB2 said:

    I see that Sainsbury's new rules prevent buying of more than three of any item and more than two of a list of more popular items.

    Good
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609

    The person I spent most of last weekend with now has a persistent cough and this morning told me she has a temperature.

    Self isolation should be fun right?

    Look after yourself - hope it isn't the lurgy, or if it is, you are shortly back up and running.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,226
    nunu2 said:

    Oh sh*t, the Democrats have been out flanked once again. The GOP are going economic populist whilst keeping their xenophobic bs, all this signals Trump being re-elected. Ffs.

    I'm worried about this too. Unlike most, my view is that Trump without coronavirus would have been beaten. So if the crisis and consequent economic hit is bad for him - as intuitively one feels it ought to be - this just makes his demise even more certain. But if he really does start showering the country with cheques, there must be a risk that people start to think he cares about them. And if they think that, they might vote for him. So, yes, I'm a little worried.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    IanB2 said:

    I see that Sainsbury's new rules prevent buying of more than three of any item and more than two of a list of more popular items.

    Good plan.

    Also, self policing. One sees a lot of cobblers about calling the troops in to supermarkets but the displeasure of people back in the queue if you start trying to persuade the cashier that 6 is the new 3 is flung to sort most people out.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,167
    edited March 2020
    kinabalu said:

    nunu2 said:

    Oh sh*t, the Democrats have been out flanked once again. The GOP are going economic populist whilst keeping their xenophobic bs, all this signals Trump being re-elected. Ffs.

    I'm worried about this too. Unlike most, my view is that Trump without coronavirus would have been beaten. So if the crisis and consequent economic hit is bad for him - as intuitively one feels it ought to be - this just makes his demise even more certain. But if he really does start showering the country with cheques, there must be a risk that people start to think he cares about them. And if they think that, they might vote for him. So, yes, I'm a little worried.
    That is bad, but on the other hand if the American and British embrace of neo-Victorian attitudes to welfare since the 1980s, which has been both economically and socially damaging, is ended, and incomes policies change worldwide, that will be a good thing both for the long-term sustainability of the global economy and social cohesion.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,676
    edited March 2020

    The person I spent most of last weekend with now has a persistent cough and this morning told me she has a temperature.

    Self isolation should be fun right?

    Look after yourself - hope it isn't the lurgy, or if it is, you are shortly back up and running.
    Thanks, I don't have any symptoms so far, but as my kids and my parents are under the same roof as me, I'm not taking in any chances.
  • GideonWiseGideonWise Posts: 1,123

    The person I spent most of last weekend with now has a persistent cough and this morning told me she has a temperature.

    Self isolation should be fun right?

    Look after yourself - hope it isn't the lurgy, or if it is, you are shortly back up and running.
    I don't have any symptoms so far, but as my kids and my parents are under the same roof as me, I'm not taking in any chances.
    You have your parents in the same house as your kids? That doesn't sound a good idea to me.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    Floater said:
    I don't believe the difference between intervention and nothing ranges from 12,000 to 3,500,000. The figures at both ends are surely wrong.
  • eggegg Posts: 1,749
    When was the last time Great Britain made a ventilator, for how long have we been reliant on importing them
  • GideonWiseGideonWise Posts: 1,123

    Richi Sunak has burst onto the scene in a field of mainly non descript mps and is destined for the top job some day

    He reminds me of Tony Blair

    He is a good presenter and clearly understands macro-economics. However, if he thinks that plan is going to last more than a couple of weeks then he is wrong.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,222

    The person I spent most of last weekend with now has a persistent cough and this morning told me she has a temperature.

    Self isolation should be fun right?

    Look after yourself - hope it isn't the lurgy, or if it is, you are shortly back up and running.
    I don't have any symptoms so far, but as my kids and my parents are under the same roof as me, I'm not taking in any chances.
    You have your parents in the same house as your kids? That doesn't sound a good idea to me.
    Has any PBer actually caught covid-19? I seem to remember one early victim?
  • The person I spent most of last weekend with now has a persistent cough and this morning told me she has a temperature.

    Self isolation should be fun right?

    Look after yourself - hope it isn't the lurgy, or if it is, you are shortly back up and running.
    I don't have any symptoms so far, but as my kids and my parents are under the same roof as me, I'm not taking in any chances.
    You have your parents in the same house as your kids? That doesn't sound a good idea to me.
    Since 2013 my kids and I have been living under the same roof as my parents.

    I took the kids out of school last week, so we should be ok.

    Plus my father's a retired doctor, is useful to be living under the same roof as a doctor.
  • SandraMcSandraMc Posts: 694
    Floater said:

    IanB2 said:

    I see that Sainsbury's new rules prevent buying of more than three of any item and more than two of a list of more popular items.

    Good
    I read that Sainsbury's is going to reserve spcial delivery times for the over 70s and medically vulnerable. As all 3 of us in the family fall into one or more of those categories, I have just registered with them. Hassle-free, unlike Waitrose. No delivery slots available currently but said website said to keep coming back to check as new slots will be available soon.
  • FensterFenster Posts: 2,115

    Richi Sunak has burst onto the scene in a field of mainly non descript mps and is destined for the top job some day

    He reminds me of Tony Blair

    Yup.
    Sunak is very impressive but how little is he?! He looks about nine stone and 5'5"?

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,806
    Mr. Fenster, judge him by his size, do you?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    SandraMc said:

    Floater said:

    IanB2 said:

    I see that Sainsbury's new rules prevent buying of more than three of any item and more than two of a list of more popular items.

    Good
    I read that Sainsbury's is going to reserve spcial delivery times for the over 70s and medically vulnerable. As all 3 of us in the family fall into one or more of those categories, I have just registered with them. Hassle-free, unlike Waitrose. No delivery slots available currently but said website said to keep coming back to check as new slots will be available soon.
    A competitive opportunity for the first supermarket that sorts out its website and delivery operations and ramps up for the extra demand.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,226

    That is bad, but on the other hand if the American and British embrace of neo-Victorian attitudes to welfare since the 1980s, which has been both economically and socially damaging, is ended, and incomes policies change worldwide, that will be a good thing both for the long-term sustainability of the global economy and social cohesion.

    Yes, I can see and appreciate that. Much of what I believe in, politically, might come to pass as a direct or indirect consequence of this remarkable crisis.

    But my hatred of Trump - and I mean the H word here - is such that I struggle for perspective when it comes to the prospect of him getting 4 more years.

    Still, don't get me wrong, I'm not changing my call. He's toast. I'm just not quite as confident right now as I have been for so long.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    Day 5 weather very breezy high of 18 but won’t feel like it. Need to find better use of the time so will go back to reading for a while each day. Have discovered a couple of places doing home delivery so that may relieve the boredom of my cooking. Still waiting on an MRI appointment to come through. I still don’t know anyone with the virus or anyone who does know someone. That’s not surprising given we have 540 cases in Valencia out of a population of 4.5 M the growing concern is in relation to domestic violence, something that unfortunately is quite prevalent in Spain. This situation could seriously exacerbate the problem.
  • GideonWiseGideonWise Posts: 1,123
    edited March 2020
    IshmaelZ said:

    IanB2 said:

    I see that Sainsbury's new rules prevent buying of more than three of any item and more than two of a list of more popular items.

    Good plan.

    Also, self policing. One sees a lot of cobblers about calling the troops in to supermarkets but the displeasure of people back in the queue if you start trying to persuade the cashier that 6 is the new 3 is flung to sort most people out.
    Our use of hard force is going to need to be targeted. If unchecked, going to the supermarkets will become an absolute mission in itself.

    I can imagine supermarkets are going to need to pool resources and perhaps some might need to close. Security might not stretch to multiple shops and without security, our lovable scrotes will just come in and mass steal.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,620

    The person I spent most of last weekend with now has a persistent cough and this morning told me she has a temperature.

    Self isolation should be fun right?

    Best of luck.

    The number of people reporting anecdotes like this suggests that there are far more people infected than the official numbers report.
  • GideonWiseGideonWise Posts: 1,123

    The person I spent most of last weekend with now has a persistent cough and this morning told me she has a temperature.

    Self isolation should be fun right?

    Look after yourself - hope it isn't the lurgy, or if it is, you are shortly back up and running.
    I don't have any symptoms so far, but as my kids and my parents are under the same roof as me, I'm not taking in any chances.
    You have your parents in the same house as your kids? That doesn't sound a good idea to me.
    Since 2013 my kids and I have been living under the same roof as my parents.

    I took the kids out of school last week, so we should be ok.

    Plus my father's a retired doctor, is useful to be living under the same roof as a doctor.
    I see. Keep safe. Hope you are all good.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Just had another report of lockdown this Friday - allegedly a big announcement coming Thursday.

  • FensterFenster Posts: 2,115

    The person I spent most of last weekend with now has a persistent cough and this morning told me she has a temperature.

    Self isolation should be fun right?

    We are on day 2 of 3 months and it is quite surreal
    I read that dog walking (or just walking) is going to be okay, as long as you try to stay two metres from others.

    If I get put on lockdown I'm going to try to spend as much time as possible walking the hills (if I'm healthy, of course).

    So far with us, situation is still normal. Kids in school, wife and me in work, shops pretty normal. Things are starting to close though, like the local boys and girls club and Ramp World and sports centres. When the kids get sent home it will be tough to keep them entertained.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,139
    edited March 2020
    Sunak will certainly be favourite to become next PM if Boris steps down before the next general election now. The question would then be facing a general election after 13 or 14 years of his party in office if he faced the fate of the former Chancellor John Major, who became PM and succeeded Thatcher in 1990 and narrowly won the 1992 general election after 13 years of the Tories in power against Neil Kinnock or if he faced the fate of the former Chancellor Gordon Brown who became PM and succeeded Blair in 2007 and narrowly lost the 2010 general election after 13 years of Labour in power to David Cameron.

    Sir Keir Starmer assuming he is elected the new Labour leader will clearly hope to be Cameron not Kinnock, though of course we should remember even Cameron was only able to form a government in coalition with the LDs, the 2010 general election producing a hung parliament and not a Conservative majority despite the fact the Tories gained 96 seats
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868

    The person I spent most of last weekend with now has a persistent cough and this morning told me she has a temperature.

    Self isolation should be fun right?

    We are on day 2 of 3 months and it is quite surreal
    There's a novelty value at the moment for something that in reality is going to become quite tedious for all but the natural hermits amongst us.
  • glwglw Posts: 9,908
    edited March 2020
    Floater said:
    I presume they won't all be coronavirus related. If your healthcare system collapses, then people will die in large number of other causes. If vital services are severely disrupted that will also result in deaths.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Glad that the tip was appreciated and thanks OGH and TSE for letting me send it in as a guest post. :)
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    IshmaelZ said:

    IanB2 said:

    I see that Sainsbury's new rules prevent buying of more than three of any item and more than two of a list of more popular items.

    Good plan.

    Also, self policing. One sees a lot of cobblers about calling the troops in to supermarkets but the displeasure of people back in the queue if you start trying to persuade the cashier that 6 is the new 3 is flung to sort most people out.
    Our use of hard force is going to need to be targeted. If unchecked, going to the supermarkets will become an absolute mission in itself.

    I can imagine supermarkets are going to need to pool resources and perhaps some might need to close. Security might not stretch to multiple shops and without security, our lovable scrotes will just come in and mass steal.
    Already reports that the army will be deployed - if a local scrote wants to try his luck against a para I will enjoy watching
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    I've been trying to think about how Covid-19 would drive change. I have to admit that it hadn't occurred to me that it would give a rocket boost to the move to a cashless society.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    HYUFD said:

    Sunak will certainly be favourite to become next PM if Boris steps down before the next general election now. The question would then be facing a general election after 13 or 14 years of his party in office if he faced the fate of the former Chancellor John Major, who narrowly won the 1992 general election after 13 years of the Tories in power against Neil Kinnock or if he faced the fate of Gordon Brown who narrowly lost the 2010 general election after 13 years of Labour in power to David Cameron.

    Sir Keir Starmer assuming he is elected the new Labour leader will clearly hope to be Cameron not Kinnock, though of course we should remember even Cameron was only able to form a government in coalition with the LDs, the 2010 general election producing a hung parliament and not a Conservative majority despite the fact the Tories gained 96 seats

    He already is, in the circumstance you describe - didn't you check before typing all that?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868

    I've been trying to think about how Covid-19 would drive change. I have to admit that it hadn't occurred to me that it would give a rocket boost to the move to a cashless society.

    It will if we move to negative interest rates, since government will need to stop people holding cash.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,675
    Sunak is not for everyone. Mrs Jonathan said he was 'creepy' last night.

    I suspect he will join the John Moore society of future prime ministers.
  • FensterFenster Posts: 2,115

    Mr. Fenster, judge him by his size, do you?

    Mr. Fenster, judge him by his size, do you?

    Ha! Not at all. I'm just surprised at how little he looked on TV yesterday!

    You know what our media is like. Ed Miliband was skewered for looking like a nerd. The cartoons will have fun with Sunak for being small.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,604
    Floater said:

    Powerful stuff

    Leo Varadkar, Ireland’s taoiseach, has won praise for a national address on Tuesday night that made grim predictions and called for sacrifice, responsibility and solidarity, writes Rory Carroll.

    In a rare interruption to television schedules, the premier appeared on screens at 9pm in a sombre and at times emotional speech that struck Churchillian notes in saying many will die and the economy will reel in coming weeks and months.

    “This is the calm before the storm, before the surge. And when it comes, and it will come, never will so many ask so much of so few.”

    Powerful indeed

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/coronavirus-varadkar-addresses-nation-and-says-crisis-may-last-months-1.4205373
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    Jonathan said:

    Sunak is not for everyone. Mrs Jonathan said he was 'creepy' last night.

    I suspect he will join the John Moore society of future prime ministers.

    Its the giant eyebrows.
  • rural_voterrural_voter Posts: 2,038
    Why is the NHS still not testing people even its employees? Example of woman who died at 80 and otherwise would probably have lived to 90 because she had no 'underlying conditions'

    https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/17/there-is-a-policy-of-surrender-doctor-on-uks-covid-19-failures?__twitter_impression=true
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Stocky said:

    The person I spent most of last weekend with now has a persistent cough and this morning told me she has a temperature.

    Self isolation should be fun right?

    Look after yourself - hope it isn't the lurgy, or if it is, you are shortly back up and running.
    I don't have any symptoms so far, but as my kids and my parents are under the same roof as me, I'm not taking in any chances.
    You have your parents in the same house as your kids? That doesn't sound a good idea to me.
    Has any PBer actually caught covid-19? I seem to remember one early victim?
    Charles's dad I think? and I may have misunderstood but perhaps someone in Cyclefrees family?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,464

    The person I spent most of last weekend with now has a persistent cough and this morning told me she has a temperature.

    Self isolation should be fun right?

    Your computer is your friend. Just don't let anyone else use it, especially the keyboard
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    Why is the NHS still not testing people even its employees? Example of woman who died at 80 and otherwise would probably have lived to 90 because she had no 'underlying conditions'

    https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/17/there-is-a-policy-of-surrender-doctor-on-uks-covid-19-failures?__twitter_impression=true

    They are, at least in this area and a couple of others I am aware of
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,208
    All the other ministers in Jonson's cabinet got their jobs by being ideologically correct on Brexit and not showing any obvious competence. They owe everything to Johnson's patronage. Sunak got his job by accident of a bungled humiliation of his predecessor. A metaphorical giant amongst pigmies, if physically somewhat the opposite.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Floater said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IanB2 said:

    I see that Sainsbury's new rules prevent buying of more than three of any item and more than two of a list of more popular items.

    Good plan.

    Also, self policing. One sees a lot of cobblers about calling the troops in to supermarkets but the displeasure of people back in the queue if you start trying to persuade the cashier that 6 is the new 3 is flung to sort most people out.
    Our use of hard force is going to need to be targeted. If unchecked, going to the supermarkets will become an absolute mission in itself.

    I can imagine supermarkets are going to need to pool resources and perhaps some might need to close. Security might not stretch to multiple shops and without security, our lovable scrotes will just come in and mass steal.
    Already reports that the army will be deployed - if a local scrote wants to try his luck against a para I will enjoy watching
    Difficult to be comfortable with the parachute regiment as poster boys for military crowd control services. How is your modern history?
  • The person I spent most of last weekend with now has a persistent cough and this morning told me she has a temperature.

    Self isolation should be fun right?

    Best of luck.

    The number of people reporting anecdotes like this suggests that there are far more people infected than the official numbers report.
    Ta, I agree, and it is why I'm expecting a hard lockdown by the weekend across the country.
  • FensterFenster Posts: 2,115
    edited March 2020

    I've been trying to think about how Covid-19 would drive change. I have to admit that it hadn't occurred to me that it would give a rocket boost to the move to a cashless society.

    I reckon it will have quite a profound effect on some individuals. I know a lot of people who work stupid hours, are clearly unhappy doing it, but do it out of habit/fear of change/desire to hold onto status etc. It wouldn't surprise me if many individuals who work like that suddenly realise what they are missing with their family/life balance and will end up never going back to work. Stepping off the hamster wheel will have a weird psychological effect on them.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Why is the NHS still not testing people even its employees? Example of woman who died at 80 and otherwise would probably have lived to 90 because she had no 'underlying conditions'

    https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/17/there-is-a-policy-of-surrender-doctor-on-uks-covid-19-failures?__twitter_impression=true

    The NHS is testing thousands of people per day and testing is ramping up.

    There's a limit to how many people can be tested and have those tests processed at once. Testing NHS employees is a priority but until more testing can be done its not just a case of saying "test everyone" and then its done.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609

    Glad that the tip was appreciated and thanks OGH and TSE for letting me send it in as a guest post. :)

    Any, er, other bright ideas for a guest slot....?
  • The person I spent most of last weekend with now has a persistent cough and this morning told me she has a temperature.

    Self isolation should be fun right?

    Look after yourself - hope it isn't the lurgy, or if it is, you are shortly back up and running.
    I don't have any symptoms so far, but as my kids and my parents are under the same roof as me, I'm not taking in any chances.
    You have your parents in the same house as your kids? That doesn't sound a good idea to me.
    Since 2013 my kids and I have been living under the same roof as my parents.

    I took the kids out of school last week, so we should be ok.

    Plus my father's a retired doctor, is useful to be living under the same roof as a doctor.
    I see. Keep safe. Hope you are all good.
    I am, I've locked myself in my bedroom which fortunately has a TV, Sky Q mini box, and en suite.

    Oh my laptop.

    Is bizarre facetiming with the family who are elsewhere in the house.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,139
    edited March 2020
    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sunak will certainly be favourite to become next PM if Boris steps down before the next general election now. The question would then be facing a general election after 13 or 14 years of his party in office if he faced the fate of the former Chancellor John Major, who narrowly won the 1992 general election after 13 years of the Tories in power against Neil Kinnock or if he faced the fate of Gordon Brown who narrowly lost the 2010 general election after 13 years of Labour in power to David Cameron.

    Sir Keir Starmer assuming he is elected the new Labour leader will clearly hope to be Cameron not Kinnock, though of course we should remember even Cameron was only able to form a government in coalition with the LDs, the 2010 general election producing a hung parliament and not a Conservative majority despite the fact the Tories gained 96 seats

    He already is, in the circumstance you describe - didn't you check before typing all that?
    Already is what? Sunak is Chancellor not PM and we are 10 years into the Tories in government not yet 13 or 14
  • GideonWiseGideonWise Posts: 1,123

    The person I spent most of last weekend with now has a persistent cough and this morning told me she has a temperature.

    Self isolation should be fun right?

    Best of luck.

    The number of people reporting anecdotes like this suggests that there are far more people infected than the official numbers report.
    Ta, I agree, and it is why I'm expecting a hard lockdown by the weekend across the country.
    Hopefully we have learnt the lesson from Italy. Despite London being a few weeks ahead, lockdowns within countries don't work and in fact make the problem worse.
  • NerysHughesNerysHughes Posts: 3,375
    IanB2 said:

    Floater said:
    I don't believe the difference between intervention and nothing ranges from 12,000 to 3,500,000. The figures at both ends are surely wrong.
    The Diamond Princess shows why the 3.5 million figure is nonsense. That ship was the perfect breeding ground for the virus and the majority of people were aged over 60, they had 16 days in quarantine living on top of each other yet only 20% of passengers tested postive with 25% having no symptons.

    A large proportion of the population must be immune to Covid-19

    https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2020.25.10.2000180
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,862
    He was excellent yesterday, even better than he was at the budget. I agree that his confidence is increasing. He is articulate and quick but also measured. His biggest problem is that there isn’t a vacancy and Boris doesn’t plan on there being one for a while.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    IshmaelZ said:

    Floater said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IanB2 said:

    I see that Sainsbury's new rules prevent buying of more than three of any item and more than two of a list of more popular items.

    Good plan.

    Also, self policing. One sees a lot of cobblers about calling the troops in to supermarkets but the displeasure of people back in the queue if you start trying to persuade the cashier that 6 is the new 3 is flung to sort most people out.
    Our use of hard force is going to need to be targeted. If unchecked, going to the supermarkets will become an absolute mission in itself.

    I can imagine supermarkets are going to need to pool resources and perhaps some might need to close. Security might not stretch to multiple shops and without security, our lovable scrotes will just come in and mass steal.
    Already reports that the army will be deployed - if a local scrote wants to try his luck against a para I will enjoy watching
    Difficult to be comfortable with the parachute regiment as poster boys for military crowd control services. How is your modern history?
    Good enough thanks.

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609
    I for one am happy that we have Rishi in lock-step with the PM. Not sure how this situation would have played out if No.10 didn't have confidence that an independent No. 11 and Sajid's Spads were going to do the right thing....
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    Fenster said:

    I've been trying to think about how Covid-19 would drive change. I have to admit that it hadn't occurred to me that it would give a rocket boost to the move to a cashless society.

    I reckon it will have quite a profound effect on some individuals. I know a lot of people who work stupid hours, are clearly unhappy doing it, but do it out of habit/fear of change/desire to hold onto status etc. It wouldn't surprise me if many individuals who work like that suddenly realise what they are missing with their family/life balance and will end up never going back to work. Stepping off the hamster wheel will have a weird psychological effect on them.
    It's also why I am calling peak London. The attraction of cities will reduce, and an awful lot of people are going to find out they don't need to be there so often, or indeed at all.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677
    Floater said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IanB2 said:

    I see that Sainsbury's new rules prevent buying of more than three of any item and more than two of a list of more popular items.

    Good plan.

    Also, self policing. One sees a lot of cobblers about calling the troops in to supermarkets but the displeasure of people back in the queue if you start trying to persuade the cashier that 6 is the new 3 is flung to sort most people out.
    Our use of hard force is going to need to be targeted. If unchecked, going to the supermarkets will become an absolute mission in itself.

    I can imagine supermarkets are going to need to pool resources and perhaps some might need to close. Security might not stretch to multiple shops and without security, our lovable scrotes will just come in and mass steal.
    Already reports that the army will be deployed - if a local scrote wants to try his luck against a para I will enjoy watching
    I'd rather deal with chavs that the Para Reg. Their track record on police actions isn't exactly sparkling.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Floater said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Floater said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IanB2 said:

    I see that Sainsbury's new rules prevent buying of more than three of any item and more than two of a list of more popular items.

    Good plan.

    Also, self policing. One sees a lot of cobblers about calling the troops in to supermarkets but the displeasure of people back in the queue if you start trying to persuade the cashier that 6 is the new 3 is flung to sort most people out.
    Our use of hard force is going to need to be targeted. If unchecked, going to the supermarkets will become an absolute mission in itself.

    I can imagine supermarkets are going to need to pool resources and perhaps some might need to close. Security might not stretch to multiple shops and without security, our lovable scrotes will just come in and mass steal.
    Already reports that the army will be deployed - if a local scrote wants to try his luck against a para I will enjoy watching
    Difficult to be comfortable with the parachute regiment as poster boys for military crowd control services. How is your modern history?
    Good enough thanks.
    That puts your "enjoy watching" into context, then.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    DavidL said:

    He was excellent yesterday, even better than he was at the budget. I agree that his confidence is increasing. He is articulate and quick but also measured. His biggest problem is that there isn’t a vacancy and Boris doesn’t plan on there being one for a while.

    Who can tell these days.

    It's not like there is anything increasing death's dark shadow at the moment .......
  • twistedfirestopper3twistedfirestopper3 Posts: 2,434
    edited March 2020
    So, I'm currently in Loughborough. My wife needed her Zoladex implant, and the only chemist that had stock today was Superdrug, so I had no choice but to do a Rick Grimes and make a run in to zombieville. I can report it is very quiet, but all shops and cafés are open. I'm currently having an oatmilk flatwhite and peanut butter flapjack under my umbrella outside the best vegan deli in the county while I wait for her prescription . The cafe owner thinks she'll be bust by June, unless she can get her head around yesterday's Sunak speech.
  • FensterFenster Posts: 2,115

    I for one am happy that we have Rishi in lock-step with the PM. Not sure how this situation would have played out if No.10 didn't have confidence that an independent No. 11 and Sajid's Spads were going to do the right thing....

    Sunak is ten times as impressive as Javid. I didn't take to Javid's speaking style at all, and he lost me when he did that silly legs-apart stance.
  • GideonWiseGideonWise Posts: 1,123

    IanB2 said:

    Floater said:
    I don't believe the difference between intervention and nothing ranges from 12,000 to 3,500,000. The figures at both ends are surely wrong.
    The Diamond Princess shows why the 3.5 million figure is nonsense. That ship was the perfect breeding ground for the virus and the majority of people were aged over 60, they had 16 days in quarantine living on top of each other yet only 20% of passengers tested postive with 25% having no symptons.

    A large proportion of the population must be immune to Covid-19

    https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2020.25.10.2000180
    The Diamond Princess was an opportunity missed. Unethical but I think from a controlled experiment perspective it would have been useful to keep that ship quarantined for a few more weeks.
  • BannedinnParisBannedinnParis Posts: 1,884
    Fenster said:

    I've been trying to think about how Covid-19 would drive change. I have to admit that it hadn't occurred to me that it would give a rocket boost to the move to a cashless society.

    I reckon it will have quite a profound effect on some individuals. I know a lot of people who work stupid hours, are clearly unhappy doing it, but do it out of habit/fear of change/desire to hold onto status etc. It wouldn't surprise me if many individuals who work like that suddenly realise what they are missing with their family/life balance and will end up never going back to work. Stepping off the hamster wheel will have a weird psychological effect on them.
    This is the one I can see.

    Where I am, higher ups are trying to make everyone work from home but are also finding that while people are fine with that, the ideas of, say, check-in phone calls and massive online meetings are going down like a turd in a jacuzzi.
  • FensterFenster Posts: 2,115
    IanB2 said:

    Fenster said:

    I've been trying to think about how Covid-19 would drive change. I have to admit that it hadn't occurred to me that it would give a rocket boost to the move to a cashless society.

    I reckon it will have quite a profound effect on some individuals. I know a lot of people who work stupid hours, are clearly unhappy doing it, but do it out of habit/fear of change/desire to hold onto status etc. It wouldn't surprise me if many individuals who work like that suddenly realise what they are missing with their family/life balance and will end up never going back to work. Stepping off the hamster wheel will have a weird psychological effect on them.
    It's also why I am calling peak London. The attraction of cities will reduce, and an awful lot of people are going to find out they don't need to be there so often, or indeed at all.
    Agree. I avoid London at all costs. Last year it took me three hours to drive from near the Olympic Stadium to Hammersmith. God knows how Londonders tolerate that :dizzy:
  • GideonWiseGideonWise Posts: 1,123
    IanB2 said:

    Fenster said:

    I've been trying to think about how Covid-19 would drive change. I have to admit that it hadn't occurred to me that it would give a rocket boost to the move to a cashless society.

    I reckon it will have quite a profound effect on some individuals. I know a lot of people who work stupid hours, are clearly unhappy doing it, but do it out of habit/fear of change/desire to hold onto status etc. It wouldn't surprise me if many individuals who work like that suddenly realise what they are missing with their family/life balance and will end up never going back to work. Stepping off the hamster wheel will have a weird psychological effect on them.
    It's also why I am calling peak London. The attraction of cities will reduce, and an awful lot of people are going to find out they don't need to be there so often, or indeed at all.
    If it's peak London, then it's also peak globalisation.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,878
    Stocky said:

    The person I spent most of last weekend with now has a persistent cough and this morning told me she has a temperature.

    Self isolation should be fun right?

    Look after yourself - hope it isn't the lurgy, or if it is, you are shortly back up and running.
    I don't have any symptoms so far, but as my kids and my parents are under the same roof as me, I'm not taking in any chances.
    You have your parents in the same house as your kids? That doesn't sound a good idea to me.
    Has any PBer actually caught covid-19? I seem to remember one early victim?
    I got knocked flat by what I thought was a bad flu beginning of february which resurged a couple of weeks later both times for 5 days. Symptoms seem to match but could also of course have been a normal flu as didn't get a test
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,604

    Why is the NHS still not testing people even its employees? Example of woman who died at 80 and otherwise would probably have lived to 90 because she had no 'underlying conditions'

    https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/17/there-is-a-policy-of-surrender-doctor-on-uks-covid-19-failures?__twitter_impression=true

    The NHS is testing thousands of people per day and testing is ramping up.

    There's a limit to how many people can be tested and have those tests processed at once. Testing NHS employees is a priority but until more testing can be done its not just a case of saying "test everyone" and then its done.
    We've tested about 30,000.



    Source https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176

    I for one am happy that we have Rishi in lock-step with the PM. Not sure how this situation would have played out if No.10 didn't have confidence that an independent No. 11 and Sajid's Spads were going to do the right thing....

    I was wondering last night if Javid regrets his decision. I suppose he'd still be opposed to the government's approach to general spending, but that has rapidly been overtaken by events.
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