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  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,898
    Surely not first.

    Where is everybody?

    Hello.....


    Isolation?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,898
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bkcPS3GHQY
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,107
    The government will be lucky to ride this rollercoaster. It’s hard to maintain the expected veneer of control on something you cannot control.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,898
    Jonathan said:

    The government will be lucky to ride this rollercoaster. It’s hard to maintain the expected veneer of control on something you cannot control.

    Dunno. Blame won't attract to the Govt. for this virus.

    Unless Russia is right - and we did create it.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192
    FPT:
    Benpointer said:

    Tim_B said:

    ...

    No paper tape. We did have a data cell though! We even had a 1401 in the computer room for legacy programs.

    COBOL on an ICL 1900 for me back in 1981. Coding sheets, punch cards with no automatic sequencing (don't drop the deck before first compiliation!), 16kb module limit, 6 bit characters, 24 bit words, 8,388,608 was the largest value you could hold in a single word computational field...

    Ah, those were the days!
    George II anyone? 2 character filenames! I hated that OS. It had a language that used decision tables for its logic, but I cannot recall the name.

    RPG II, RPG/400, RPG IV, COBOL, C, C++, SQL, PHP, Python, Java, Javascript, Dataflex,... oh Synon/2 (that was a nice little earner)

    I wish I was as good at human languages :D
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,985
    Beibheirli_C said:

    FPT:

    Benpointer said:

    Tim_B said:

    ...

    No paper tape. We did have a data cell though! We even had a 1401 in the computer room for legacy programs.

    COBOL on an ICL 1900 for me back in 1981. Coding sheets, punch cards with no automatic sequencing (don't drop the deck before first compiliation!), 16kb module limit, 6 bit characters, 24 bit words, 8,388,608 was the largest value you could hold in a single word computational field...

    Ah, those were the days!
    George II anyone? 2 character filenames! I hated that OS. It had a language that used decision tables for its logic, but I cannot recall the name.

    RPG II, RPG/400, RPG IV, COBOL, C, C++, SQL, PHP, Python, Java, Javascript, Dataflex,... oh Synon/2 (that was a nice little earner)

    I wish I was as good at human languages :D
    Oh Pascal!
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,107
    MarqueeMark said:

    Jonathan said:

    The government will be lucky to ride this rollercoaster. It’s hard to maintain the expected veneer of control on something you cannot control.

    Dunno. Blame won't attract to the Govt. for this virus.

    Unless Russia is right - and we did create it.
    I’m not so sure. It’s not really about blame in any case, it’s about confidence.
  • TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052
    https://twitter.com/talkradio/status/1239895607134871554?s=21
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192
    rottenborough said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    FPT:

    Benpointer said:

    Tim_B said:

    ...

    No paper tape. We did have a data cell though! We even had a 1401 in the computer room for legacy programs.

    COBOL on an ICL 1900 for me back in 1981. Coding sheets, punch cards with no automatic sequencing (don't drop the deck before first compiliation!), 16kb module limit, 6 bit characters, 24 bit words, 8,388,608 was the largest value you could hold in a single word computational field...

    Ah, those were the days!
    George II anyone? 2 character filenames! I hated that OS. It had a language that used decision tables for its logic, but I cannot recall the name.

    RPG II, RPG/400, RPG IV, COBOL, C, C++, SQL, PHP, Python, Java, Javascript, Dataflex,... oh Synon/2 (that was a nice little earner)

    I wish I was as good at human languages :D
    Oh Pascal!
    Yes - I forgot about that one. Turbo Pascal as well with Sidekick for an editor. I loved that Editor.

    I have not included any assembly languages, but some of my code was running in embedded systems on North Sea oil rigs at one point. That is why I think they are unsafe :D:D:D
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,977
    eadric said:

    This is pretty monumental.

    America expects to lose 4.6 MILLION jobs In tourism in a year

    https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1240049040726855680?s=20

    This is way worse than anything that happened after 9/11, and will double US unemployment in one stroke

    I think we are looking at a Depression, not a Recession.

    I think we are looking at a total systems collapse. Not quite the bronze age collapse just yet, but something much bigger than 1929.

    The financial system, supply chains, law and order, the health system - all breaking down at the same time.

    Perhaps we will pull through. Or perhaps it is the end of everything. It is probably somewhere in between. But it is not just the medical consequences we should be worried about.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,985
    https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1239973837418033152
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,898
    Jonathan said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Jonathan said:

    The government will be lucky to ride this rollercoaster. It’s hard to maintain the expected veneer of control on something you cannot control.

    Dunno. Blame won't attract to the Govt. for this virus.

    Unless Russia is right - and we did create it.
    I’m not so sure. It’s not really about blame in any case, it’s about confidence.
    The only people who engender any confidence on Covid-19 are boffins.

    Government is doing the bidding of the boffins.

  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,506
    Florida results:

    https://edition.cnn.com/election/2020/state/florida
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,985
    Beibheirli_C said:

    rottenborough said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    FPT:

    Benpointer said:

    Tim_B said:

    ...

    No paper tape. We did have a data cell though! We even had a 1401 in the computer room for legacy programs.

    COBOL on an ICL 1900 for me back in 1981. Coding sheets, punch cards with no automatic sequencing (don't drop the deck before first compiliation!), 16kb module limit, 6 bit characters, 24 bit words, 8,388,608 was the largest value you could hold in a single word computational field...

    Ah, those were the days!
    George II anyone? 2 character filenames! I hated that OS. It had a language that used decision tables for its logic, but I cannot recall the name.

    RPG II, RPG/400, RPG IV, COBOL, C, C++, SQL, PHP, Python, Java, Javascript, Dataflex,... oh Synon/2 (that was a nice little earner)

    I wish I was as good at human languages :D
    Oh Pascal!
    Yes - I forgot about that one. Turbo Pascal as well with Sidekick for an editor. I loved that Editor.

    I have not included any assembly languages, but some of my code was running in embedded systems on North Sea oil rigs at one point. That is why I think they are unsafe :D:D:D
    I :love: Pascal. Caught up with old comp sci mate who was back coding in Pascal on a contract for legacy issue reasons.
  • AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 3,924
    Biden is absolutely wiping the floor with Sanders in the early Florida count #shocker
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192
    rottenborough said:

    https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1239973837418033152

    That man will spout any old sh*t. He is a waste of space.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,436
    rottenborough said:

    https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1239973837418033152

    His base will believe him
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,898
    Andy_JS said:

    Florida results:

    https://edition.cnn.com/election/2020/state/florida

    Trump still on 0.0%

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,985
    AramintaMoonbeamQC said:

    Biden is absolutely wiping the floor with Sanders in the early Florida count #shocker

    Good.

    Let's end this now and get on an attack Trump.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,107
    JM1 said:

    Jonathan said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Jonathan said:

    The government will be lucky to ride this rollercoaster. It’s hard to maintain the expected veneer of control on something you cannot control.

    Dunno. Blame won't attract to the Govt. for this virus.

    Unless Russia is right - and we did create it.
    I’m not so sure. It’s not really about blame in any case, it’s about confidence.
    Not so sure... my Italian friends say that confidence in their government is pretty high at present - and the situation there has been really grim (hard to imagine it would be much worse here).
    Hard to maintain confidence when you’re expected to control something you cannot really control. Naturally I hope they succeed, but the political challenges are vast.

    To MMs point, communication is as critical as the underlying science, which is where the politicians have their role to play. On that point it has been really variable.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,796
    rottenborough said:

    https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1239973837418033152

    We have never been at war with Eastasia
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192
    rottenborough said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    rottenborough said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    FPT:

    Benpointer said:

    Tim_B said:

    ...

    No paper tape. We did have a data cell though! We even had a 1401 in the computer room for legacy programs.

    COBOL on an ICL 1900 for me back in 1981. Coding sheets, punch cards with no automatic sequencing (don't drop the deck before first compiliation!), 16kb module limit, 6 bit characters, 24 bit words, 8,388,608 was the largest value you could hold in a single word computational field...

    Ah, those were the days!
    George II anyone? 2 character filenames! I hated that OS. It had a language that used decision tables for its logic, but I cannot recall the name.

    RPG II, RPG/400, RPG IV, COBOL, C, C++, SQL, PHP, Python, Java, Javascript, Dataflex,... oh Synon/2 (that was a nice little earner)

    I wish I was as good at human languages :D
    Oh Pascal!
    Yes - I forgot about that one. Turbo Pascal as well with Sidekick for an editor. I loved that Editor.

    I have not included any assembly languages, but some of my code was running in embedded systems on North Sea oil rigs at one point. That is why I think they are unsafe :D:D:D
    I :love: Pascal. Caught up with old comp sci mate who was back coding in Pascal on a contract for legacy issue reasons.
    I used to love Pascal until I did a prolonged period of C/C++ and when I went back to Pascal it felt so verbose. I had the same issue with COBOL -> RPG -> COBOL

    I am not overly fond of Python. It feels like the language designer did half the job.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    Anabobazina said:

    rottenborough said:

    https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1239973837418033152

    We have never been at war with Eastasia
    https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1240012147633127425?s=21
  • isamisam Posts: 42,632
    edited March 2020
    eadric said:

    This is pretty monumental.

    America expects to lose 4.6 MILLION jobs In tourism in a year

    https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1240049040726855680?s=20

    This is way worse than anything that happened after 9/11, and will double US unemployment in one stroke

    I think we are looking at a Depression, not a Recession.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if the end result was as near as dammit as socialism. Surely 50k corporate non jobs won’t exist and nurses, care workers and the like will be better paid than now? Plane tickets will cost a bomb, fewer people will travel, the planet will be greener. A prem footballer won’t earn in a week what 12 nurses do a year.

    It is like God has said what part of global warming, air pollution & chronic illnesses didn’t you get? And just served up the equivalent of a plague of locusts as it’s the only language we understand
  • AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 3,924
    Who the hell is voting for Tulsi Gabbard?
  • Time_to_LeaveTime_to_Leave Posts: 2,547
    Right. There’s at least one medical professional on here. With all this hand washing and the like, I now have the hands of a 4000 year old mummy. What’s the medical profession’s trick to retaining silky smooth skin?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,796
    isam said:

    eadric said:

    This is pretty monumental.

    America expects to lose 4.6 MILLION jobs In tourism in a year

    https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1240049040726855680?s=20

    This is way worse than anything that happened after 9/11, and will double US unemployment in one stroke

    I think we are looking at a Depression, not a Recession.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if the end result was as near as dammit as socialism. Surely 50k corporate non jobs won’t exist and nurses, care workers and the like will be better paid than now? Plane tickets will cost a bomb, fewer people will travel, the planet will be greener. A prem footballer won’t earn in a week what 12 nurses do a year.

    It is like God has said what part of global warming, air pollution & chronic illnesses didn’t you get? And just served up the equivalent of a plague of locusts as it’s the only language we understand
    Other than the God bit (I assume shorthand on your part) all of what you say has crossed my mind
  • glwglw Posts: 10,518
    rottenborough said:

    https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1239973837418033152

    He's human garbage.

    You know a lot of idiots were not long ago saying things like "Trump hasn't started any wars like Bush" to justify defending Trump, apparently these idiots do not realise that circumstances matter. i.e. Trump after 9/11 would have done just as badly if not worse than Bush did.

    So far this year Trump has come close to starting a war with Iran, perhaps only avoided by the DOD downplaying injuries in the days after the Iranian retaliation, and Trump is now completely screwing up dealing with a pandemic.

    We are unfortunately now able to observe just how unfit for office Trump is during the current disastrous circumstances. God help us if there's any further crisis as fallout from the pandemic, such as revolutions, coups, or wars.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,267
    Are Basingstoke patients being treated in Southampton? I was on the M3 this evening and 3 ambulances were bluelighting their way down from Basingstoke, and some others were heading back.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,584
    glw said:

    rottenborough said:

    https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1239973837418033152

    He's human garbage.

    You know a lot of idiots were not long ago saying things like "Trump hasn't started any wars like Bush" to justify defending Trump, apparently these idiots do not realise that circumstances matter. i.e. Trump after 9/11 would have done just as badly if not worse than Bush did.

    So far this year Trump has come close to starting a war with Iran, perhaps only avoided by the DOD downplaying injuries in the days after the Iranian retaliation, and Trump is now completely screwing up dealing with a pandemic.

    We are unfortunately now able to observe just how unfit for office Trump is during the current disastrous circumstances. God help us if there's any further crisis as fallout from the pandemic, such as revolutions, coups, or wars.
    We just have to hope we can get through to November. I cannot believe that after his performance the last couple of weeks (let alone the last few years) the American people will actually vote for him again.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,985
    edited March 2020
    williamglenn said:

    Anabobazina said:

    rottenborough said:

    https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1239973837418033152

    We have never been at war with Eastasia
    https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1240012147633127425?s=21
    If we all live long enough, I am looking forward to Pence's memoir.

    What is he thinking as he stands there and listens to this horseshit?
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,584
    Time_to_Leave said:

    Right. There’s at least one medical professional on here. With all this hand washing and the like, I now have the hands of a 4000 year old mummy. What’s the medical profession’s trick to retaining silky smooth skin?

    From an archaeologist who has to wash his hands dozens of times a day - Norwegian Formula. It isn't the nicest stuff when you put it on but it really does the trick. Wash your hands and once they are clean and rinsed, keep them slightly damp and then put the formula on.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,985
    https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/1239968761068703746

    Sacked by the summer?
  • alteregoalterego Posts: 1,100
    rottenborough said:

    williamglenn said:

    Anabobazina said:

    rottenborough said:

    https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1239973837418033152

    We have never been at war with Eastasia
    https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1240012147633127425?s=21
    If we all live long enough, I am looking forward to Pence's memoir.

    What is he thinking as he stands there and listens to this horseshit?
    I'd guess "what a prick!"
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,506
    edited March 2020
    "In light of the coronavirus pandemic, Ohio postponed its primary, while Arizona, Florida and Illinois proceeded as scheduled, but in any case, we will not have traditional exit polls tonight.

    Edison Research, which conducts exit polls for many of the major TV networks, decided not to send people to polling sites because of the coronavirus."

    https://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/primary-election-arizona-florida-illinois/
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,492
    AramintaMoonbeamQC said:

    Who the hell is voting for Tulsi Gabbard?

    If i had a vote I would.

    But I don't so irrelevant.

    She would have been at the last debate as she has 2 deligats, but DNC changed the rules so she was not allowed.
  • eggegg Posts: 1,749
    Front of FT Italian test test test experiment cuts infections to zero?
    Front of star, snow. And they right, weekend looks cold
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,584
    Beibheirli_C said:

    rottenborough said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    FPT:

    Benpointer said:

    Tim_B said:

    ...

    No paper tape. We did have a data cell though! We even had a 1401 in the computer room for legacy programs.

    COBOL on an ICL 1900 for me back in 1981. Coding sheets, punch cards with no automatic sequencing (don't drop the deck before first compiliation!), 16kb module limit, 6 bit characters, 24 bit words, 8,388,608 was the largest value you could hold in a single word computational field...

    Ah, those were the days!
    George II anyone? 2 character filenames! I hated that OS. It had a language that used decision tables for its logic, but I cannot recall the name.

    RPG II, RPG/400, RPG IV, COBOL, C, C++, SQL, PHP, Python, Java, Javascript, Dataflex,... oh Synon/2 (that was a nice little earner)

    I wish I was as good at human languages :D
    Oh Pascal!
    Yes - I forgot about that one. Turbo Pascal as well with Sidekick for an editor. I loved that Editor.

    I have not included any assembly languages, but some of my code was running in embedded systems on North Sea oil rigs at one point. That is why I think they are unsafe :D:D:D
    Hmm. Thanks.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    rottenborough said:

    https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1239973837418033152

    Get in the fucking sea.
  • alteregoalterego Posts: 1,100
    rottenborough said:

    https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/1239968761068703746

    Sacked by the summer?

    Is he now unsackable? - the genie's out of the bottle.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,985
    glw said:

    rottenborough said:

    https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1239973837418033152

    He's human garbage.

    You know a lot of idiots were not long ago saying things like "Trump hasn't started any wars like Bush" to justify defending Trump, apparently these idiots do not realise that circumstances matter. i.e. Trump after 9/11 would have done just as badly if not worse than Bush did.

    So far this year Trump has come close to starting a war with Iran, perhaps only avoided by the DOD downplaying injuries in the days after the Iranian retaliation, and Trump is now completely screwing up dealing with a pandemic.

    We are unfortunately now able to observe just how unfit for office Trump is during the current disastrous circumstances. God help us if there's any further crisis as fallout from the pandemic, such as revolutions, coups, or wars.
    There's a view that Trump lost the presidency about a week ago when his response was shit.

    Let's hope so.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Time_to_Leave said:

    Right. There’s at least one medical professional on here. With all this hand washing and the like, I now have the hands of a 4000 year old mummy. What’s the medical profession’s trick to retaining silky smooth skin?

    E45
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    Time_to_Leave said:

    Right. There’s at least one medical professional on here. With all this hand washing and the like, I now have the hands of a 4000 year old mummy. What’s the medical profession’s trick to retaining silky smooth skin?

    From an archaeologist who has to wash his hands dozens of times a day - Norwegian Formula. It isn't the nicest stuff when you put it on but it really does the trick. Wash your hands and once they are clean and rinsed, keep them slightly damp and then put the formula on.
    Be careful. Some of that stuff contains Lanolin and 10% of the population are allergic to it. I found out when it caused rashes from my fingertips to my elbows and it took 4 months of steroid treatment to fix the mess.
  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092
    glw said:

    rottenborough said:

    https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1239973837418033152

    He's human garbage.

    You know a lot of idiots were not long ago saying things like "Trump hasn't started any wars like Bush" to justify defending Trump, apparently these idiots do not realise that circumstances matter. i.e. Trump after 9/11 would have done just as badly if not worse than Bush did.

    So far this year Trump has come close to starting a war with Iran, perhaps only avoided by the DOD downplaying injuries in the days after the Iranian retaliation, and Trump is now completely screwing up dealing with a pandemic.

    We are unfortunately now able to observe just how unfit for office Trump is during the current disastrous circumstances. God help us if there's any further crisis as fallout from the pandemic, such as revolutions, coups, or wars.
    Trump isn't nearly as bad as W or Reagan, but that's a low bar
  • glwglw Posts: 10,518
    rottenborough said:

    If we all live long enough, I am looking forward to Pence's memoir.

    What is he thinking as he stands there and listens to this horseshit?

    He's thinking "Rex is right".
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,492
    Andy_JS said:

    Florida results:

    https://edition.cnn.com/election/2020/state/florida

    Sansers on only 20.7% with most of the 'Pan handal' still to come.

    If he drops below 15% then he gets 0 of the state-wide deligets. which would I think be the end of his campaign.
  • Time_to_LeaveTime_to_Leave Posts: 2,547
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    Time_to_Leave said:

    Right. There’s at least one medical professional on here. With all this hand washing and the like, I now have the hands of a 4000 year old mummy. What’s the medical profession’s trick to retaining silky smooth skin?

    From an archaeologist who has to wash his hands dozens of times a day - Norwegian Formula. It isn't the nicest stuff when you put it on but it really does the trick. Wash your hands and once they are clean and rinsed, keep them slightly damp and then put the formula on.
    Thank you.
  • Time_to_LeaveTime_to_Leave Posts: 2,547
    Alistair said:

    Time_to_Leave said:

    Right. There’s at least one medical professional on here. With all this hand washing and the like, I now have the hands of a 4000 year old mummy. What’s the medical profession’s trick to retaining silky smooth skin?

    E45
    Thank you. I shall report back on the competing theories like a Pound Shop Martin Lewis.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,584
    Beibheirli_C said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    Time_to_Leave said:

    Right. There’s at least one medical professional on here. With all this hand washing and the like, I now have the hands of a 4000 year old mummy. What’s the medical profession’s trick to retaining silky smooth skin?

    From an archaeologist who has to wash his hands dozens of times a day - Norwegian Formula. It isn't the nicest stuff when you put it on but it really does the trick. Wash your hands and once they are clean and rinsed, keep them slightly damp and then put the formula on.
    Be careful. Some of that stuff contains Lanolin and 10% of the population are allergic to it. I found out when it caused rashes from my fingertips to my elbows and it took 4 months of steroid treatment to fix the mess.
    Cheers Didn't realise that. Thankfully I am not but useful to know and will advise as such in future.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,985
    https://twitter.com/nickmacpherson2/status/1240025224286003209
  • alteregoalterego Posts: 1,100
    rottenborough said:

    glw said:

    rottenborough said:

    https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1239973837418033152

    He's human garbage.

    You know a lot of idiots were not long ago saying things like "Trump hasn't started any wars like Bush" to justify defending Trump, apparently these idiots do not realise that circumstances matter. i.e. Trump after 9/11 would have done just as badly if not worse than Bush did.

    So far this year Trump has come close to starting a war with Iran, perhaps only avoided by the DOD downplaying injuries in the days after the Iranian retaliation, and Trump is now completely screwing up dealing with a pandemic.

    We are unfortunately now able to observe just how unfit for office Trump is during the current disastrous circumstances. God help us if there's any further crisis as fallout from the pandemic, such as revolutions, coups, or wars.
    There's a view that Trump lost the presidency about a week ago when his response was shit.

    Let's hope so.
    I used to think "but he's the elected POTUS", now I think how the fuck did USA elect a cunt like that.
  • Time_to_LeaveTime_to_Leave Posts: 2,547
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    Time_to_Leave said:

    Right. There’s at least one medical professional on here. With all this hand washing and the like, I now have the hands of a 4000 year old mummy. What’s the medical profession’s trick to retaining silky smooth skin?

    From an archaeologist who has to wash his hands dozens of times a day - Norwegian Formula. It isn't the nicest stuff when you put it on but it really does the trick. Wash your hands and once they are clean and rinsed, keep them slightly damp and then put the formula on.
    Be careful. Some of that stuff contains Lanolin and 10% of the population are allergic to it. I found out when it caused rashes from my fingertips to my elbows and it took 4 months of steroid treatment to fix the mess.
    Cheers Didn't realise that. Thankfully I am not but useful to know and will advise as such in future.
    Yes, thank you. That makes you think.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,985
    BigRich said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Florida results:

    https://edition.cnn.com/election/2020/state/florida

    Sansers on only 20.7% with most of the 'Pan handal' still to come.

    If he drops below 15% then he gets 0 of the state-wide deligets. which would I think be the end of his campaign.
    Hope so. Let's get this done.
  • alteregoalterego Posts: 1,100
    Stereotomy said:

    glw said:

    rottenborough said:

    https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1239973837418033152

    He's human garbage.

    You know a lot of idiots were not long ago saying things like "Trump hasn't started any wars like Bush" to justify defending Trump, apparently these idiots do not realise that circumstances matter. i.e. Trump after 9/11 would have done just as badly if not worse than Bush did.

    So far this year Trump has come close to starting a war with Iran, perhaps only avoided by the DOD downplaying injuries in the days after the Iranian retaliation, and Trump is now completely screwing up dealing with a pandemic.

    We are unfortunately now able to observe just how unfit for office Trump is during the current disastrous circumstances. God help us if there's any further crisis as fallout from the pandemic, such as revolutions, coups, or wars.
    Trump isn't nearly as bad as W or Reagan, but that's a low bar
    What are you on?
  • alteregoalterego Posts: 1,100
    Time_to_Leave said:

    Alistair said:

    Time_to_Leave said:

    Right. There’s at least one medical professional on here. With all this hand washing and the like, I now have the hands of a 4000 year old mummy. What’s the medical profession’s trick to retaining silky smooth skin?

    E45
    Thank you. I shall report back on the competing theories like a Pound Shop Martin Lewis.
    I thought Martin Lewis was Pound Shop
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,446
    Beibheirli_C said:

    FPT:

    Benpointer said:

    Tim_B said:

    ...

    No paper tape. We did have a data cell though! We even had a 1401 in the computer room for legacy programs.

    COBOL on an ICL 1900 for me back in 1981. Coding sheets, punch cards with no automatic sequencing (don't drop the deck before first compiliation!), 16kb module limit, 6 bit characters, 24 bit words, 8,388,608 was the largest value you could hold in a single word computational field...

    Ah, those were the days!
    George II anyone? 2 character filenames! I hated that OS. It had a language that used decision tables for its logic, but I cannot recall the name.

    RPG II, RPG/400, RPG IV, COBOL, C, C++, SQL, PHP, Python, Java, Javascript, Dataflex,... oh Synon/2 (that was a nice little earner)

    I wish I was as good at human languages :D
    Python.

    Guido van Rossum deserves a medal.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,651
    edited March 2020
    Please don't lock me up, Mr Johnson. I may be 73 but that doesn't mean I'm a crumbly wreck with no human rights

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8121021/JANET-STREET-PORTER-coronavirus-dont-lock-Boris-Johnson.html

    FFS..its not about you.....I have heard from my father this evening that one of his friends is refusing to alter his daily life, which includes trips to the supermarket, the local cafe, etc because he isn't scared to die. Again, its not just about you !!!!

    This bell-ends are going to crash the system and kill young people.
  • Time_to_LeaveTime_to_Leave Posts: 2,547
    edited March 2020
    alterego said:

    Stereotomy said:

    glw said:

    rottenborough said:

    https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1239973837418033152

    He's human garbage.

    You know a lot of idiots were not long ago saying things like "Trump hasn't started any wars like Bush" to justify defending Trump, apparently these idiots do not realise that circumstances matter. i.e. Trump after 9/11 would have done just as badly if not worse than Bush did.

    So far this year Trump has come close to starting a war with Iran, perhaps only avoided by the DOD downplaying injuries in the days after the Iranian retaliation, and Trump is now completely screwing up dealing with a pandemic.

    We are unfortunately now able to observe just how unfit for office Trump is during the current disastrous circumstances. God help us if there's any further crisis as fallout from the pandemic, such as revolutions, coups, or wars.
    Trump isn't nearly as bad as W or Reagan, but that's a low bar
    What are you on?
    I now dream of the days of Bush Jnr. In relative terms, he was a statesman.

    See also the lowest quality John Major or New Labour Minister vs. much of both current front benches.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,446
    Andy_JS said:

    Florida results:

    https://edition.cnn.com/election/2020/state/florida

    Tulsi's going to struggle to get delegates there...
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,796
    Sanders looking absolutely screwed in FL.

    And so goes FL, so goes his entire campaign.

    He should concede.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,446
    Beibheirli_C said:

    rottenborough said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    rottenborough said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    FPT:

    Benpointer said:

    Tim_B said:

    ...

    No paper tape. We did have a data cell though! We even had a 1401 in the computer room for legacy programs.

    COBOL on an ICL 1900 for me back in 1981. Coding sheets, punch cards with no automatic sequencing (don't drop the deck before first compiliation!), 16kb module limit, 6 bit characters, 24 bit words, 8,388,608 was the largest value you could hold in a single word computational field...

    Ah, those were the days!
    George II anyone? 2 character filenames! I hated that OS. It had a language that used decision tables for its logic, but I cannot recall the name.

    RPG II, RPG/400, RPG IV, COBOL, C, C++, SQL, PHP, Python, Java, Javascript, Dataflex,... oh Synon/2 (that was a nice little earner)

    I wish I was as good at human languages :D
    Oh Pascal!
    Yes - I forgot about that one. Turbo Pascal as well with Sidekick for an editor. I loved that Editor.

    I have not included any assembly languages, but some of my code was running in embedded systems on North Sea oil rigs at one point. That is why I think they are unsafe :D:D:D
    I :love: Pascal. Caught up with old comp sci mate who was back coding in Pascal on a contract for legacy issue reasons.
    I used to love Pascal until I did a prolonged period of C/C++ and when I went back to Pascal it felt so verbose. I had the same issue with COBOL -> RPG -> COBOL

    I am not overly fond of Python. It feels like the language designer did half the job.
    I take it back.

    Python is beautiful. Sublime. It is without a doubt a prince among programming languages.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,651
    Anabobazina said:

    Sanders looking absolutely screwed in FL.

    And so goes FL, so goes his entire campaign.

    He should concede.

    No idea why a state with a load of people who escaped Castro's Cuba wouldn't be keen on Sanders...
  • coronapop2coronapop2 Posts: 16
    Anabobazina said:

    isam said:

    eadric said:

    This is pretty monumental.

    America expects to lose 4.6 MILLION jobs In tourism in a year

    https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1240049040726855680?s=20

    This is way worse than anything that happened after 9/11, and will double US unemployment in one stroke

    I think we are looking at a Depression, not a Recession.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if the end result was as near as dammit as socialism. Surely 50k corporate non jobs won’t exist and nurses, care workers and the like will be better paid than now? Plane tickets will cost a bomb, fewer people will travel, the planet will be greener. A prem footballer won’t earn in a week what 12 nurses do a year.

    It is like God has said what part of global warming, air pollution & chronic illnesses didn’t you get? And just served up the equivalent of a plague of locusts as it’s the only language we understand
    Other than the God bit (I assume shorthand on your part) all of what you say has crossed my mind
    Nurses are paid so so because though what they do requires dedication, it’s a skill that’s easily acquired and in plentiful supply.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,898
    Beibheirli_C said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    Time_to_Leave said:

    Right. There’s at least one medical professional on here. With all this hand washing and the like, I now have the hands of a 4000 year old mummy. What’s the medical profession’s trick to retaining silky smooth skin?

    From an archaeologist who has to wash his hands dozens of times a day - Norwegian Formula. It isn't the nicest stuff when you put it on but it really does the trick. Wash your hands and once they are clean and rinsed, keep them slightly damp and then put the formula on.
    Be careful. Some of that stuff contains Lanolin and 10% of the population are allergic to it. I found out when it caused rashes from my fingertips to my elbows and it took 4 months of steroid treatment to fix the mess.
    Norwegian Formula makes no reference to Lanolin in its ingredients. (Unless it is known by some other chemical name?)
  • Time_to_LeaveTime_to_Leave Posts: 2,547
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Please don't lock me up, Mr Johnson. I may be 73 but that doesn't mean I'm a crumbly wreck with no human rights

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8121021/JANET-STREET-PORTER-coronavirus-dont-lock-Boris-Johnson.html

    FFS..its not about you.....I have heard from my father this evening that one of his friends is refusing to alter his daily life, which includes trips to the supermarket, the local cafe, etc because he isn't scared to die. Again, its not just about you !!!!

    This bell-ends are going to crash the system and kill young people.

    We need the Queen to address the nation. This stuff and the panic buying.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,898
    Always weird to see Florida results whilst the Panhandle is still voting. Why they can't hold back an hour is a mystery.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,651
    Beibheirli_C said:

    rottenborough said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    rottenborough said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    FPT:

    Benpointer said:

    Tim_B said:

    ...

    No paper tape. We did have a data cell though! We even had a 1401 in the computer room for legacy programs.

    COBOL on an ICL 1900 for me back in 1981. Coding sheets, punch cards with no automatic sequencing (don't drop the deck before first compiliation!), 16kb module limit, 6 bit characters, 24 bit words, 8,388,608 was the largest value you could hold in a single word computational field...

    Ah, those were the days!
    George II anyone? 2 character filenames! I hated that OS. It had a language that used decision tables for its logic, but I cannot recall the name.

    RPG II, RPG/400, RPG IV, COBOL, C, C++, SQL, PHP, Python, Java, Javascript, Dataflex,... oh Synon/2 (that was a nice little earner)

    I wish I was as good at human languages :D
    Oh Pascal!
    Yes - I forgot about that one. Turbo Pascal as well with Sidekick for an editor. I loved that Editor.

    I have not included any assembly languages, but some of my code was running in embedded systems on North Sea oil rigs at one point. That is why I think they are unsafe :D:D:D
    I :love: Pascal. Caught up with old comp sci mate who was back coding in Pascal on a contract for legacy issue reasons.
    I used to love Pascal until I did a prolonged period of C/C++ and when I went back to Pascal it felt so verbose. I had the same issue with COBOL -> RPG -> COBOL

    I am not overly fond of Python. It feels like the language designer did half the job.
    Claiming not to like Python, I believe that might be a worse crime on this website than admitting to eating pineapple on pizza.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    Time_to_Leave said:

    Right. There’s at least one medical professional on here. With all this hand washing and the like, I now have the hands of a 4000 year old mummy. What’s the medical profession’s trick to retaining silky smooth skin?

    From an archaeologist who has to wash his hands dozens of times a day - Norwegian Formula. It isn't the nicest stuff when you put it on but it really does the trick. Wash your hands and once they are clean and rinsed, keep them slightly damp and then put the formula on.
    Be careful. Some of that stuff contains Lanolin and 10% of the population are allergic to it. I found out when it caused rashes from my fingertips to my elbows and it took 4 months of steroid treatment to fix the mess.
    Cheers Didn't realise that. Thankfully I am not but useful to know and will advise as such in future.
    Assuming I googled the correct product, the one you are talking about is lanolin free, but look for Lanolin, Wool oil or Medilan (all the same thing)
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,446
    kyf_100 said:

    eadric said:

    This is pretty monumental.

    America expects to lose 4.6 MILLION jobs In tourism in a year

    https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1240049040726855680?s=20

    This is way worse than anything that happened after 9/11, and will double US unemployment in one stroke

    I think we are looking at a Depression, not a Recession.

    I think we are looking at a total systems collapse. Not quite the bronze age collapse just yet, but something much bigger than 1929.

    The financial system, supply chains, law and order, the health system - all breaking down at the same time.

    Perhaps we will pull through. Or perhaps it is the end of everything. It is probably somewhere in between. But it is not just the medical consequences we should be worried about.
    There's a lot of ruin in a nation.

    This will be painful. But the government is going to shower everyone with cash. (Which means it'll all wash through as inflation in a couple of years... Buy inflation linked bonds...)

    Ultimately, economies bounce back from things because these shocks - while nasty - have remarkably little impact on the means of production. If a restaurant goes out of business, that sucks for the owner, who's lost their life savings. But someone will go to the bank and offer 50 cents in the dollar for the equipment, and will be up and running soon enough. The means of production are still there.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,898
    BigRich said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Florida results:

    https://edition.cnn.com/election/2020/state/florida

    Sansers on only 20.7% with most of the 'Pan handal' still to come.

    If he drops below 15% then he gets 0 of the state-wide deligets. which would I think be the end of his campaign.
    Sanders will get above 15%. But still heavily beaten.

    This contest is over, unless Biden keels over.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,651
    Australia have told their people that restrictions will be in place for 6 months.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,632
    Time_to_Leave said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Please don't lock me up, Mr Johnson. I may be 73 but that doesn't mean I'm a crumbly wreck with no human rights

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8121021/JANET-STREET-PORTER-coronavirus-dont-lock-Boris-Johnson.html

    FFS..its not about you.....I have heard from my father this evening that one of his friends is refusing to alter his daily life, which includes trips to the supermarket, the local cafe, etc because he isn't scared to die. Again, its not just about you !!!!

    This bell-ends are going to crash the system and kill young people.

    We need the Queen to address the nation. This stuff and the panic buying.
    Aldi have a max per customer of 4 toilet rolls and hand sanitizers. The cashier tonight told me people were getting aggressive with the staff for implementing the rule
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,985
    https://twitter.com/jessphillips/status/1240029525284700160
  • LucyJonesLucyJones Posts: 651
    Time_to_Leave said:

    Alistair said:

    Time_to_Leave said:

    Right. There’s at least one medical professional on here. With all this hand washing and the like, I now have the hands of a 4000 year old mummy. What’s the medical profession’s trick to retaining silky smooth skin?

    E45
    Thank you. I shall report back on the competing theories like a Pound Shop Martin Lewis.
    Put it on before you go to sleep at night, so it gets a few hours to "soak in" without being washed off again. I find that helps a lot.
  • Time_to_LeaveTime_to_Leave Posts: 2,547
    edited March 2020
    isam said:

    Time_to_Leave said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Please don't lock me up, Mr Johnson. I may be 73 but that doesn't mean I'm a crumbly wreck with no human rights

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8121021/JANET-STREET-PORTER-coronavirus-dont-lock-Boris-Johnson.html

    FFS..its not about you.....I have heard from my father this evening that one of his friends is refusing to alter his daily life, which includes trips to the supermarket, the local cafe, etc because he isn't scared to die. Again, its not just about you !!!!

    This bell-ends are going to crash the system and kill young people.

    We need the Queen to address the nation. This stuff and the panic buying.
    Aldi have a max per customer of 4 toilet rolls and hand sanitizers. The cashier tonight told me people were getting aggressive with the staff for implementing the rule
    FFS. First the Queen, then eventually the riot squad and the army.

    Edit - Not suggesting she lead the latter, but Prince Philip May wish to.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,985
    isam said:

    Time_to_Leave said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Please don't lock me up, Mr Johnson. I may be 73 but that doesn't mean I'm a crumbly wreck with no human rights

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8121021/JANET-STREET-PORTER-coronavirus-dont-lock-Boris-Johnson.html

    FFS..its not about you.....I have heard from my father this evening that one of his friends is refusing to alter his daily life, which includes trips to the supermarket, the local cafe, etc because he isn't scared to die. Again, its not just about you !!!!

    This bell-ends are going to crash the system and kill young people.

    We need the Queen to address the nation. This stuff and the panic buying.
    Aldi have a max per customer of 4 toilet rolls and hand sanitizers. The cashier tonight told me people were getting aggressive with the staff for implementing the rule
    Scuffles in my local Lidl this morning over bog roll apparently.

    Bonkers.

    The suppliers have warehouses full of the stuff.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    ... I am not overly fond of Python. It feels like the language designer did half the job.

    Claiming not to like Python, I believe that might be a worse crime on this website than admitting to eating pineapple on pizza.
    Nonsense! It is a half-baked language. BASIC on steroids. The indent mechanism is absurd, the class access modifiers are 1/3rd of the job, data structuring is primitive and having to pass "self" around as a parameter is bonkers.

    It is good for prototyping - I will give it a big plus for that. It definitely has inherited BASIC's ease of use.

    I prefer it to Javascript. That is the true pineapple-on-pizza programming language
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,651
    rottenborough said:

    isam said:

    Time_to_Leave said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Please don't lock me up, Mr Johnson. I may be 73 but that doesn't mean I'm a crumbly wreck with no human rights

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8121021/JANET-STREET-PORTER-coronavirus-dont-lock-Boris-Johnson.html

    FFS..its not about you.....I have heard from my father this evening that one of his friends is refusing to alter his daily life, which includes trips to the supermarket, the local cafe, etc because he isn't scared to die. Again, its not just about you !!!!

    This bell-ends are going to crash the system and kill young people.

    We need the Queen to address the nation. This stuff and the panic buying.
    Aldi have a max per customer of 4 toilet rolls and hand sanitizers. The cashier tonight told me people were getting aggressive with the staff for implementing the rule
    Scuffles in my local Lidl this morning over bog roll apparently.

    Bonkers.

    The suppliers have warehouses full of the stuff.
    Just WTF is it about bog roll....like really....if the worst comes to the worst, just have a shower.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    rottenborough said:

    isam said:

    Time_to_Leave said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Please don't lock me up, Mr Johnson. I may be 73 but that doesn't mean I'm a crumbly wreck with no human rights

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8121021/JANET-STREET-PORTER-coronavirus-dont-lock-Boris-Johnson.html

    FFS..its not about you.....I have heard from my father this evening that one of his friends is refusing to alter his daily life, which includes trips to the supermarket, the local cafe, etc because he isn't scared to die. Again, its not just about you !!!!

    This bell-ends are going to crash the system and kill young people.

    We need the Queen to address the nation. This stuff and the panic buying.
    Aldi have a max per customer of 4 toilet rolls and hand sanitizers. The cashier tonight told me people were getting aggressive with the staff for implementing the rule
    Scuffles in my local Lidl this morning over bog roll apparently.

    Bonkers.

    The suppliers have warehouses full of the stuff.
    Just WTF is it about bog roll....like really....if the worst comes to the worst, just have a shower.
    Or do what countless generations of women had to do. Keep some rags you can boil wash and re-use.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,651
    Beibheirli_C said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    ... I am not overly fond of Python. It feels like the language designer did half the job.

    Claiming not to like Python, I believe that might be a worse crime on this website than admitting to eating pineapple on pizza.
    Nonsense! It is a half-baked language. BASIC on steroids. The indent mechanism is absurd, the class access modifiers are 1/3rd of the job, data structuring is primitive and having to pass "self" around as a parameter is bonkers.

    It is good for prototyping - I will give it a big plus for that. It definitely has inherited BASIC's ease of use.

    I prefer it to Javascript. That is the true pineapple-on-pizza programming language
    LOL....whispers quietly....I don't disagree....even though I now I have to use Python for 90% of my stuff. But I believe OGH Jr won't hear a bad word about it in the way the great name of Radiohead mustn't be taken in vain.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,506
    rottenborough said:

    isam said:

    Time_to_Leave said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Please don't lock me up, Mr Johnson. I may be 73 but that doesn't mean I'm a crumbly wreck with no human rights

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8121021/JANET-STREET-PORTER-coronavirus-dont-lock-Boris-Johnson.html

    FFS..its not about you.....I have heard from my father this evening that one of his friends is refusing to alter his daily life, which includes trips to the supermarket, the local cafe, etc because he isn't scared to die. Again, its not just about you !!!!

    This bell-ends are going to crash the system and kill young people.

    We need the Queen to address the nation. This stuff and the panic buying.
    Aldi have a max per customer of 4 toilet rolls and hand sanitizers. The cashier tonight told me people were getting aggressive with the staff for implementing the rule
    Scuffles in my local Lidl this morning over bog roll apparently.

    Bonkers.

    The suppliers have warehouses full of the stuff.
    Apparently it's still available at smaller shops like Superdrug.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,985
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Australia have told their people that restrictions will be in place for 6 months.

    2m apart at all barbecues?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,446
    Beibheirli_C said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    ... I am not overly fond of Python. It feels like the language designer did half the job.

    Claiming not to like Python, I believe that might be a worse crime on this website than admitting to eating pineapple on pizza.
    Nonsense! It is a half-baked language. BASIC on steroids. The indent mechanism is absurd, the class access modifiers are 1/3rd of the job, data structuring is primitive and having to pass "self" around as a parameter is bonkers.

    It is good for prototyping - I will give it a big plus for that. It definitely has inherited BASIC's ease of use.

    I prefer it to Javascript. That is the true pineapple-on-pizza programming language
    I like you, I genuinely do.

    And I do find the need to specify self a bit odd. (Especially as - IIRC - you can't even rename it :smile: )

    But indenting. I loathed it at first. Now I love it. Yes, I know you can make sure VIM highlights a missing parentheses... but (simply) indenting works. Indenting is right. Indenting, ladies and gentlemen, is what made this country great.

    I agree with you re Javascript.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192
    MyBurningEars said:

    FPT on doing ridiculous things with ZX 81/Spectrum...

    ...

    Oh, and then someone thought they it sounded a great idea to port Doom to it!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3v7cFGneuaw

    I will admit to being impressed. :+1:
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,267
    alterego said:

    rottenborough said:

    https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/1239968761068703746

    Sacked by the summer?

    Is he now unsackable? - the genie's out of the bottle.
    Yep, near enough.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,651
    rcs1000 said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    ... I am not overly fond of Python. It feels like the language designer did half the job.

    Claiming not to like Python, I believe that might be a worse crime on this website than admitting to eating pineapple on pizza.
    Nonsense! It is a half-baked language. BASIC on steroids. The indent mechanism is absurd, the class access modifiers are 1/3rd of the job, data structuring is primitive and having to pass "self" around as a parameter is bonkers.

    It is good for prototyping - I will give it a big plus for that. It definitely has inherited BASIC's ease of use.

    I prefer it to Javascript. That is the true pineapple-on-pizza programming language
    I like you, I genuinely do.

    And I do find the need to specify self a bit odd. (Especially as - IIRC - you can't even rename it :smile: )

    But indenting. I loathed it at first. Now I love it. Yes, I know you can make sure VIM highlights a missing parentheses... but (simply) indenting works. Indenting is right. Indenting, ladies and gentlemen, is what made this country great.

    I agree with you re Javascript.
    VIM......oh god....what's wrong with Atom or even better PyCharm?
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192
    LucyJones said:

    Time_to_Leave said:

    Alistair said:

    Time_to_Leave said:

    Right. There’s at least one medical professional on here. With all this hand washing and the like, I now have the hands of a 4000 year old mummy. What’s the medical profession’s trick to retaining silky smooth skin?

    E45
    Thank you. I shall report back on the competing theories like a Pound Shop Martin Lewis.
    Put it on before you go to sleep at night, so it gets a few hours to "soak in" without being washed off again. I find that helps a lot.
    E45 definitely contains Lanolin!
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,898
    Andy_JS said:

    rottenborough said:

    isam said:

    Time_to_Leave said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Please don't lock me up, Mr Johnson. I may be 73 but that doesn't mean I'm a crumbly wreck with no human rights

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8121021/JANET-STREET-PORTER-coronavirus-dont-lock-Boris-Johnson.html

    FFS..its not about you.....I have heard from my father this evening that one of his friends is refusing to alter his daily life, which includes trips to the supermarket, the local cafe, etc because he isn't scared to die. Again, its not just about you !!!!

    This bell-ends are going to crash the system and kill young people.

    We need the Queen to address the nation. This stuff and the panic buying.
    Aldi have a max per customer of 4 toilet rolls and hand sanitizers. The cashier tonight told me people were getting aggressive with the staff for implementing the rule
    Scuffles in my local Lidl this morning over bog roll apparently.

    Bonkers.

    The suppliers have warehouses full of the stuff.
    Apparently it's still available at smaller shops like Superdrug.
    Or M&S....
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,506
    MyBurningEars said:

    FPT on doing ridiculous things with ZX 81/Spectrum...

    Alistair said:

    MyBurningEars said:

    Beibheirli_C said:



    I wore out the programming possibilities of a ZX81 in a week and traded it in against a BBC Model B which lasted me about 10 years.

    For anyone who's into their retrocomputing, there's still a ZX81 demoscene!! Not as big as the Commodore/Amiga or Speccie demoscenes, but arguably even more hardcore. Anyone with fondish 80s/earlys 90s memories of the limitations of their Spectrum or C64 or Amiga 500 should browse the demoscene vids on Youtube. What the masters can get out of that hardware is incredible, and every now and then some new tricks come along.

    Bearing in mind the limitations of the ZX81, especially the fact it didn't originally come with a way to do "hi-res" i.e. pixel-by-pixel graphics (though ways around this have been found), the following demos are astonishing:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X92xvLlbnVg

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKj6TaADFWo
    That is utterly outrageous. Jaw dropping. I frankly can't believe that.

    Brightened my day!
    There's loads more on youtube, it's a whole subculture of the most gifted geek-artistes. I fear anyone born after, what, maybe 1990(?), will find it hard to understand why we are fussing over it. But it is mind-blowing.

    The Spectrum demos are great, to someone who remembers the original software it's freakish to see how they can get past the issue of attribute clash (aka colour bleeding: the way each 8x8 tile of pixels could only have two colours). There's a nice selection here, you can zoom forwards in time to see how even in the 2000s the quality was improving as new techniques became available.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vtUCTX4qrA

    Oh, and then someone thought they it sounded a great idea to port Doom to it!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3v7cFGneuaw
    It's amazing what you can do with 128 or 256K.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,985
    Time_to_Leave said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Please don't lock me up, Mr Johnson. I may be 73 but that doesn't mean I'm a crumbly wreck with no human rights

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8121021/JANET-STREET-PORTER-coronavirus-dont-lock-Boris-Johnson.html

    FFS..its not about you.....I have heard from my father this evening that one of his friends is refusing to alter his daily life, which includes trips to the supermarket, the local cafe, etc because he isn't scared to die. Again, its not just about you !!!!

    This bell-ends are going to crash the system and kill young people.

    We need the Queen to address the nation. This stuff and the panic buying.
    How about these refuseniks sign a document. If they get the virus then the State kills them in order to avoid the use of an NHS UCI and ventilator for six weeks?
  • coronapop2coronapop2 Posts: 16
    Time_to_Leave said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Please don't lock me up, Mr Johnson. I may be 73 but that doesn't mean I'm a crumbly wreck with no human rights

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8121021/JANET-STREET-PORTER-coronavirus-dont-lock-Boris-Johnson.html

    FFS..its not about you.....I have heard from my father this evening that one of his friends is refusing to alter his daily life, which includes trips to the supermarket, the local cafe, etc because he isn't scared to die. Again, its not just about you !!!!

    This bell-ends are going to crash the system and kill young people.

    We need the Queen to address the nation. This stuff and the panic buying.
    “Dear subjects, we all must make sacrifices in these trying times. Myself and my husband Philip are self isolating at Windsor castle. I recommend you also choose one of your more remote castles to self isolate in. It can be a trying burden ensuring all those that cook for you and serve you have been thoroughly tested. “
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,898
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Australia have told their people that restrictions will be in place for 6 months.

    Just in time for the bushfire season to start up again.

    They are having a shitty year. God has clearly still not forgiven them for cheating at cricket.
  • AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 3,924
    Leo V's speech to the Irish people is a cut above what we're getting:

    https://www.pscp.tv/w/1OdKrqbNaWQxX?t=1
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    ... I am not overly fond of Python. It feels like the language designer did half the job.

    Claiming not to like Python, I believe that might be a worse crime on this website than admitting to eating pineapple on pizza.
    Nonsense! It is a half-baked language. BASIC on steroids. The indent mechanism is absurd, the class access modifiers are 1/3rd of the job, data structuring is primitive and having to pass "self" around as a parameter is bonkers.

    It is good for prototyping - I will give it a big plus for that. It definitely has inherited BASIC's ease of use.

    I prefer it to Javascript. That is the true pineapple-on-pizza programming language
    I like you, I genuinely do.

    And I do find the need to specify self a bit odd. (Especially as - IIRC - you can't even rename it :smile: )

    But indenting. I loathed it at first. Now I love it. Yes, I know you can make sure VIM highlights a missing parentheses... but (simply) indenting works. Indenting is right. Indenting, ladies and gentlemen, is what made this country great.

    I agree with you re Javascript.
    VIM......oh god....what's wrong with Atom or even better PyCharm?
    I use Geany on Linux for these toy languages. For proper work I use Eclipse and a bunch of plugins.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,898
    edited March 2020
    rottenborough said:

    Time_to_Leave said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Please don't lock me up, Mr Johnson. I may be 73 but that doesn't mean I'm a crumbly wreck with no human rights

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8121021/JANET-STREET-PORTER-coronavirus-dont-lock-Boris-Johnson.html

    FFS..its not about you.....I have heard from my father this evening that one of his friends is refusing to alter his daily life, which includes trips to the supermarket, the local cafe, etc because he isn't scared to die. Again, its not just about you !!!!

    This bell-ends are going to crash the system and kill young people.

    We need the Queen to address the nation. This stuff and the panic buying.
    How about these refuseniks sign a document. If they get the virus then the State kills them in order to avoid the use of an NHS UCI and ventilator for six weeks?
    Sign - and they never even get inside a hospital.

    After all, we are going through all this economic shit to save you guys.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,985
    Biden on 60%.

    70% in.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,898
    rottenborough said:

    Biden on 60%.

    70% in.

    Where is the other 17%? Lots of write-ins and minor candidates?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,446
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    ... I am not overly fond of Python. It feels like the language designer did half the job.

    Claiming not to like Python, I believe that might be a worse crime on this website than admitting to eating pineapple on pizza.
    Nonsense! It is a half-baked language. BASIC on steroids. The indent mechanism is absurd, the class access modifiers are 1/3rd of the job, data structuring is primitive and having to pass "self" around as a parameter is bonkers.

    It is good for prototyping - I will give it a big plus for that. It definitely has inherited BASIC's ease of use.

    I prefer it to Javascript. That is the true pineapple-on-pizza programming language
    LOL....whispers quietly....I don't disagree....even though I now I have to use Python for 90% of my stuff. But I believe OGH Jr won't hear a bad word about it in the way the great name of Radiohead mustn't be taken in vain.
    There is an economic concept called "revealed preference". That holds that, whatever you might *say* you like, it is in your actions we know your true preference.

    People who say to me, "oh I love music". Well, if I discover they don't regularly listen to Radiohead, well that's an example of revealed preference. In this case a revealed preference for shit over music.

    The same is true of people who say "I love programming". If it turns out that they hate Python, then they don't really love programming.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,446
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    ... I am not overly fond of Python. It feels like the language designer did half the job.

    Claiming not to like Python, I believe that might be a worse crime on this website than admitting to eating pineapple on pizza.
    Nonsense! It is a half-baked language. BASIC on steroids. The indent mechanism is absurd, the class access modifiers are 1/3rd of the job, data structuring is primitive and having to pass "self" around as a parameter is bonkers.

    It is good for prototyping - I will give it a big plus for that. It definitely has inherited BASIC's ease of use.

    I prefer it to Javascript. That is the true pineapple-on-pizza programming language
    I like you, I genuinely do.

    And I do find the need to specify self a bit odd. (Especially as - IIRC - you can't even rename it :smile: )

    But indenting. I loathed it at first. Now I love it. Yes, I know you can make sure VIM highlights a missing parentheses... but (simply) indenting works. Indenting is right. Indenting, ladies and gentlemen, is what made this country great.

    I agree with you re Javascript.
    VIM......oh god....what's wrong with Atom or even better PyCharm?
    I am not a big fan of IDEs.

    Mostly I use Sublime, as that's 95% text editor, 5% IDE.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192
    rcs1000 said:

    But indenting. I loathed it at first. Now I love it. Yes, I know you can make sure VIM highlights a missing parentheses... but (simply) indenting works. Indenting is right. Indenting, ladies and gentlemen, is what made this country great.

    VIM??? Dear God in heaven......
    rcs1000 said:

    I agree with you re Javascript.

    Of course. My point is unassailable ;)
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