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  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609
    Surely not first.

    Where is everybody?

    Hello.....


    Isolation?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,675
    The government will be lucky to ride this rollercoaster. It’s hard to maintain the expected veneer of control on something you cannot control.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609
    Jonathan said:

    The government will be lucky to ride this rollercoaster. It’s hard to maintain the expected veneer of control on something you cannot control.

    Dunno. Blame won't attract to the Govt. for this virus.

    Unless Russia is right - and we did create it.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163
    FPT:

    Tim_B said:

    ...

    No paper tape. We did have a data cell though! We even had a 1401 in the computer room for legacy programs.

    COBOL on an ICL 1900 for me back in 1981. Coding sheets, punch cards with no automatic sequencing (don't drop the deck before first compiliation!), 16kb module limit, 6 bit characters, 24 bit words, 8,388,608 was the largest value you could hold in a single word computational field...

    Ah, those were the days!
    George II anyone? 2 character filenames! I hated that OS. It had a language that used decision tables for its logic, but I cannot recall the name.

    RPG II, RPG/400, RPG IV, COBOL, C, C++, SQL, PHP, Python, Java, Javascript, Dataflex,... oh Synon/2 (that was a nice little earner)

    I wish I was as good at human languages :D
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766

    FPT:

    Tim_B said:

    ...

    No paper tape. We did have a data cell though! We even had a 1401 in the computer room for legacy programs.

    COBOL on an ICL 1900 for me back in 1981. Coding sheets, punch cards with no automatic sequencing (don't drop the deck before first compiliation!), 16kb module limit, 6 bit characters, 24 bit words, 8,388,608 was the largest value you could hold in a single word computational field...

    Ah, those were the days!
    George II anyone? 2 character filenames! I hated that OS. It had a language that used decision tables for its logic, but I cannot recall the name.

    RPG II, RPG/400, RPG IV, COBOL, C, C++, SQL, PHP, Python, Java, Javascript, Dataflex,... oh Synon/2 (that was a nice little earner)

    I wish I was as good at human languages :D
    Oh Pascal!
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,675

    Jonathan said:

    The government will be lucky to ride this rollercoaster. It’s hard to maintain the expected veneer of control on something you cannot control.

    Dunno. Blame won't attract to the Govt. for this virus.

    Unless Russia is right - and we did create it.
    I’m not so sure. It’s not really about blame in any case, it’s about confidence.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163

    FPT:

    Tim_B said:

    ...

    No paper tape. We did have a data cell though! We even had a 1401 in the computer room for legacy programs.

    COBOL on an ICL 1900 for me back in 1981. Coding sheets, punch cards with no automatic sequencing (don't drop the deck before first compiliation!), 16kb module limit, 6 bit characters, 24 bit words, 8,388,608 was the largest value you could hold in a single word computational field...

    Ah, those were the days!
    George II anyone? 2 character filenames! I hated that OS. It had a language that used decision tables for its logic, but I cannot recall the name.

    RPG II, RPG/400, RPG IV, COBOL, C, C++, SQL, PHP, Python, Java, Javascript, Dataflex,... oh Synon/2 (that was a nice little earner)

    I wish I was as good at human languages :D
    Oh Pascal!
    Yes - I forgot about that one. Turbo Pascal as well with Sidekick for an editor. I loved that Editor.

    I have not included any assembly languages, but some of my code was running in embedded systems on North Sea oil rigs at one point. That is why I think they are unsafe :D:D:D
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,951
    eadric said:

    This is pretty monumental.

    America expects to lose 4.6 MILLION jobs In tourism in a year

    https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1240049040726855680?s=20

    This is way worse than anything that happened after 9/11, and will double US unemployment in one stroke

    I think we are looking at a Depression, not a Recession.

    I think we are looking at a total systems collapse. Not quite the bronze age collapse just yet, but something much bigger than 1929.

    The financial system, supply chains, law and order, the health system - all breaking down at the same time.

    Perhaps we will pull through. Or perhaps it is the end of everything. It is probably somewhere in between. But it is not just the medical consequences we should be worried about.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609
    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    The government will be lucky to ride this rollercoaster. It’s hard to maintain the expected veneer of control on something you cannot control.

    Dunno. Blame won't attract to the Govt. for this virus.

    Unless Russia is right - and we did create it.
    I’m not so sure. It’s not really about blame in any case, it’s about confidence.
    The only people who engender any confidence on Covid-19 are boffins.

    Government is doing the bidding of the boffins.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766

    FPT:

    Tim_B said:

    ...

    No paper tape. We did have a data cell though! We even had a 1401 in the computer room for legacy programs.

    COBOL on an ICL 1900 for me back in 1981. Coding sheets, punch cards with no automatic sequencing (don't drop the deck before first compiliation!), 16kb module limit, 6 bit characters, 24 bit words, 8,388,608 was the largest value you could hold in a single word computational field...

    Ah, those were the days!
    George II anyone? 2 character filenames! I hated that OS. It had a language that used decision tables for its logic, but I cannot recall the name.

    RPG II, RPG/400, RPG IV, COBOL, C, C++, SQL, PHP, Python, Java, Javascript, Dataflex,... oh Synon/2 (that was a nice little earner)

    I wish I was as good at human languages :D
    Oh Pascal!
    Yes - I forgot about that one. Turbo Pascal as well with Sidekick for an editor. I loved that Editor.

    I have not included any assembly languages, but some of my code was running in embedded systems on North Sea oil rigs at one point. That is why I think they are unsafe :D:D:D
    I :love: Pascal. Caught up with old comp sci mate who was back coding in Pascal on a contract for legacy issue reasons.
  • Biden is absolutely wiping the floor with Sanders in the early Florida count #shocker
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163
    That man will spout any old sh*t. He is a waste of space.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609
    Andy_JS said:
    Trump still on 0.0%

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766

    Biden is absolutely wiping the floor with Sanders in the early Florida count #shocker

    Good.

    Let's end this now and get on an attack Trump.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,675
    JM1 said:

    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    The government will be lucky to ride this rollercoaster. It’s hard to maintain the expected veneer of control on something you cannot control.

    Dunno. Blame won't attract to the Govt. for this virus.

    Unless Russia is right - and we did create it.
    I’m not so sure. It’s not really about blame in any case, it’s about confidence.
    Not so sure... my Italian friends say that confidence in their government is pretty high at present - and the situation there has been really grim (hard to imagine it would be much worse here).
    Hard to maintain confidence when you’re expected to control something you cannot really control. Naturally I hope they succeed, but the political challenges are vast.

    To MMs point, communication is as critical as the underlying science, which is where the politicians have their role to play. On that point it has been really variable.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    We have never been at war with Eastasia
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163

    FPT:

    Tim_B said:

    ...

    No paper tape. We did have a data cell though! We even had a 1401 in the computer room for legacy programs.

    COBOL on an ICL 1900 for me back in 1981. Coding sheets, punch cards with no automatic sequencing (don't drop the deck before first compiliation!), 16kb module limit, 6 bit characters, 24 bit words, 8,388,608 was the largest value you could hold in a single word computational field...

    Ah, those were the days!
    George II anyone? 2 character filenames! I hated that OS. It had a language that used decision tables for its logic, but I cannot recall the name.

    RPG II, RPG/400, RPG IV, COBOL, C, C++, SQL, PHP, Python, Java, Javascript, Dataflex,... oh Synon/2 (that was a nice little earner)

    I wish I was as good at human languages :D
    Oh Pascal!
    Yes - I forgot about that one. Turbo Pascal as well with Sidekick for an editor. I loved that Editor.

    I have not included any assembly languages, but some of my code was running in embedded systems on North Sea oil rigs at one point. That is why I think they are unsafe :D:D:D
    I :love: Pascal. Caught up with old comp sci mate who was back coding in Pascal on a contract for legacy issue reasons.
    I used to love Pascal until I did a prolonged period of C/C++ and when I went back to Pascal it felt so verbose. I had the same issue with COBOL -> RPG -> COBOL

    I am not overly fond of Python. It feels like the language designer did half the job.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited March 2020
    eadric said:

    This is pretty monumental.

    America expects to lose 4.6 MILLION jobs In tourism in a year

    https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1240049040726855680?s=20

    This is way worse than anything that happened after 9/11, and will double US unemployment in one stroke

    I think we are looking at a Depression, not a Recession.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if the end result was as near as dammit as socialism. Surely 50k corporate non jobs won’t exist and nurses, care workers and the like will be better paid than now? Plane tickets will cost a bomb, fewer people will travel, the planet will be greener. A prem footballer won’t earn in a week what 12 nurses do a year.

    It is like God has said what part of global warming, air pollution & chronic illnesses didn’t you get? And just served up the equivalent of a plague of locusts as it’s the only language we understand
  • Who the hell is voting for Tulsi Gabbard?
  • Time_to_LeaveTime_to_Leave Posts: 2,547
    Right. There’s at least one medical professional on here. With all this hand washing and the like, I now have the hands of a 4000 year old mummy. What’s the medical profession’s trick to retaining silky smooth skin?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    isam said:

    eadric said:

    This is pretty monumental.

    America expects to lose 4.6 MILLION jobs In tourism in a year

    https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1240049040726855680?s=20

    This is way worse than anything that happened after 9/11, and will double US unemployment in one stroke

    I think we are looking at a Depression, not a Recession.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if the end result was as near as dammit as socialism. Surely 50k corporate non jobs won’t exist and nurses, care workers and the like will be better paid than now? Plane tickets will cost a bomb, fewer people will travel, the planet will be greener. A prem footballer won’t earn in a week what 12 nurses do a year.

    It is like God has said what part of global warming, air pollution & chronic illnesses didn’t you get? And just served up the equivalent of a plague of locusts as it’s the only language we understand
    Other than the God bit (I assume shorthand on your part) all of what you say has crossed my mind
  • glwglw Posts: 9,908
    He's human garbage.

    You know a lot of idiots were not long ago saying things like "Trump hasn't started any wars like Bush" to justify defending Trump, apparently these idiots do not realise that circumstances matter. i.e. Trump after 9/11 would have done just as badly if not worse than Bush did.

    So far this year Trump has come close to starting a war with Iran, perhaps only avoided by the DOD downplaying injuries in the days after the Iranian retaliation, and Trump is now completely screwing up dealing with a pandemic.

    We are unfortunately now able to observe just how unfit for office Trump is during the current disastrous circumstances. God help us if there's any further crisis as fallout from the pandemic, such as revolutions, coups, or wars.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    Are Basingstoke patients being treated in Southampton? I was on the M3 this evening and 3 ambulances were bluelighting their way down from Basingstoke, and some others were heading back.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,567
    glw said:

    He's human garbage.

    You know a lot of idiots were not long ago saying things like "Trump hasn't started any wars like Bush" to justify defending Trump, apparently these idiots do not realise that circumstances matter. i.e. Trump after 9/11 would have done just as badly if not worse than Bush did.

    So far this year Trump has come close to starting a war with Iran, perhaps only avoided by the DOD downplaying injuries in the days after the Iranian retaliation, and Trump is now completely screwing up dealing with a pandemic.

    We are unfortunately now able to observe just how unfit for office Trump is during the current disastrous circumstances. God help us if there's any further crisis as fallout from the pandemic, such as revolutions, coups, or wars.
    We just have to hope we can get through to November. I cannot believe that after his performance the last couple of weeks (let alone the last few years) the American people will actually vote for him again.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766
    edited March 2020
    If we all live long enough, I am looking forward to Pence's memoir.

    What is he thinking as he stands there and listens to this horseshit?
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,567

    Right. There’s at least one medical professional on here. With all this hand washing and the like, I now have the hands of a 4000 year old mummy. What’s the medical profession’s trick to retaining silky smooth skin?

    From an archaeologist who has to wash his hands dozens of times a day - Norwegian Formula. It isn't the nicest stuff when you put it on but it really does the trick. Wash your hands and once they are clean and rinsed, keep them slightly damp and then put the formula on.
  • alteregoalterego Posts: 1,100

    If we all live long enough, I am looking forward to Pence's memoir.

    What is he thinking as he stands there and listens to this horseshit?
    I'd guess "what a prick!"
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,601
    edited March 2020
    "In light of the coronavirus pandemic, Ohio postponed its primary, while Arizona, Florida and Illinois proceeded as scheduled, but in any case, we will not have traditional exit polls tonight.

    Edison Research, which conducts exit polls for many of the major TV networks, decided not to send people to polling sites because of the coronavirus."

    https://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/primary-election-arizona-florida-illinois/
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,492

    Who the hell is voting for Tulsi Gabbard?

    If i had a vote I would.

    But I don't so irrelevant.

    She would have been at the last debate as she has 2 deligats, but DNC changed the rules so she was not allowed.
  • eggegg Posts: 1,749
    Front of FT Italian test test test experiment cuts infections to zero?
    Front of star, snow. And they right, weekend looks cold
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,567

    FPT:

    Tim_B said:

    ...

    No paper tape. We did have a data cell though! We even had a 1401 in the computer room for legacy programs.

    COBOL on an ICL 1900 for me back in 1981. Coding sheets, punch cards with no automatic sequencing (don't drop the deck before first compiliation!), 16kb module limit, 6 bit characters, 24 bit words, 8,388,608 was the largest value you could hold in a single word computational field...

    Ah, those were the days!
    George II anyone? 2 character filenames! I hated that OS. It had a language that used decision tables for its logic, but I cannot recall the name.

    RPG II, RPG/400, RPG IV, COBOL, C, C++, SQL, PHP, Python, Java, Javascript, Dataflex,... oh Synon/2 (that was a nice little earner)

    I wish I was as good at human languages :D
    Oh Pascal!
    Yes - I forgot about that one. Turbo Pascal as well with Sidekick for an editor. I loved that Editor.

    I have not included any assembly languages, but some of my code was running in embedded systems on North Sea oil rigs at one point. That is why I think they are unsafe :D:D:D
    Hmm. Thanks.
  • alteregoalterego Posts: 1,100
    Is he now unsackable? - the genie's out of the bottle.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766
    glw said:

    He's human garbage.

    You know a lot of idiots were not long ago saying things like "Trump hasn't started any wars like Bush" to justify defending Trump, apparently these idiots do not realise that circumstances matter. i.e. Trump after 9/11 would have done just as badly if not worse than Bush did.

    So far this year Trump has come close to starting a war with Iran, perhaps only avoided by the DOD downplaying injuries in the days after the Iranian retaliation, and Trump is now completely screwing up dealing with a pandemic.

    We are unfortunately now able to observe just how unfit for office Trump is during the current disastrous circumstances. God help us if there's any further crisis as fallout from the pandemic, such as revolutions, coups, or wars.
    There's a view that Trump lost the presidency about a week ago when his response was shit.

    Let's hope so.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163

    Right. There’s at least one medical professional on here. With all this hand washing and the like, I now have the hands of a 4000 year old mummy. What’s the medical profession’s trick to retaining silky smooth skin?

    From an archaeologist who has to wash his hands dozens of times a day - Norwegian Formula. It isn't the nicest stuff when you put it on but it really does the trick. Wash your hands and once they are clean and rinsed, keep them slightly damp and then put the formula on.
    Be careful. Some of that stuff contains Lanolin and 10% of the population are allergic to it. I found out when it caused rashes from my fingertips to my elbows and it took 4 months of steroid treatment to fix the mess.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Right. There’s at least one medical professional on here. With all this hand washing and the like, I now have the hands of a 4000 year old mummy. What’s the medical profession’s trick to retaining silky smooth skin?

    E45
  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092
    glw said:

    He's human garbage.

    You know a lot of idiots were not long ago saying things like "Trump hasn't started any wars like Bush" to justify defending Trump, apparently these idiots do not realise that circumstances matter. i.e. Trump after 9/11 would have done just as badly if not worse than Bush did.

    So far this year Trump has come close to starting a war with Iran, perhaps only avoided by the DOD downplaying injuries in the days after the Iranian retaliation, and Trump is now completely screwing up dealing with a pandemic.

    We are unfortunately now able to observe just how unfit for office Trump is during the current disastrous circumstances. God help us if there's any further crisis as fallout from the pandemic, such as revolutions, coups, or wars.
    Trump isn't nearly as bad as W or Reagan, but that's a low bar
  • glwglw Posts: 9,908

    If we all live long enough, I am looking forward to Pence's memoir.

    What is he thinking as he stands there and listens to this horseshit?

    He's thinking "Rex is right".
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,492
    Andy_JS said:
    Sansers on only 20.7% with most of the 'Pan handal' still to come.

    If he drops below 15% then he gets 0 of the state-wide deligets. which would I think be the end of his campaign.
  • Time_to_LeaveTime_to_Leave Posts: 2,547

    Right. There’s at least one medical professional on here. With all this hand washing and the like, I now have the hands of a 4000 year old mummy. What’s the medical profession’s trick to retaining silky smooth skin?

    From an archaeologist who has to wash his hands dozens of times a day - Norwegian Formula. It isn't the nicest stuff when you put it on but it really does the trick. Wash your hands and once they are clean and rinsed, keep them slightly damp and then put the formula on.
    Thank you.
  • Time_to_LeaveTime_to_Leave Posts: 2,547
    Alistair said:

    Right. There’s at least one medical professional on here. With all this hand washing and the like, I now have the hands of a 4000 year old mummy. What’s the medical profession’s trick to retaining silky smooth skin?

    E45
    Thank you. I shall report back on the competing theories like a Pound Shop Martin Lewis.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,567

    Right. There’s at least one medical professional on here. With all this hand washing and the like, I now have the hands of a 4000 year old mummy. What’s the medical profession’s trick to retaining silky smooth skin?

    From an archaeologist who has to wash his hands dozens of times a day - Norwegian Formula. It isn't the nicest stuff when you put it on but it really does the trick. Wash your hands and once they are clean and rinsed, keep them slightly damp and then put the formula on.
    Be careful. Some of that stuff contains Lanolin and 10% of the population are allergic to it. I found out when it caused rashes from my fingertips to my elbows and it took 4 months of steroid treatment to fix the mess.
    Cheers Didn't realise that. Thankfully I am not but useful to know and will advise as such in future.
  • alteregoalterego Posts: 1,100

    glw said:

    He's human garbage.

    You know a lot of idiots were not long ago saying things like "Trump hasn't started any wars like Bush" to justify defending Trump, apparently these idiots do not realise that circumstances matter. i.e. Trump after 9/11 would have done just as badly if not worse than Bush did.

    So far this year Trump has come close to starting a war with Iran, perhaps only avoided by the DOD downplaying injuries in the days after the Iranian retaliation, and Trump is now completely screwing up dealing with a pandemic.

    We are unfortunately now able to observe just how unfit for office Trump is during the current disastrous circumstances. God help us if there's any further crisis as fallout from the pandemic, such as revolutions, coups, or wars.
    There's a view that Trump lost the presidency about a week ago when his response was shit.

    Let's hope so.
    I used to think "but he's the elected POTUS", now I think how the fuck did USA elect a cunt like that.
  • Time_to_LeaveTime_to_Leave Posts: 2,547

    Right. There’s at least one medical professional on here. With all this hand washing and the like, I now have the hands of a 4000 year old mummy. What’s the medical profession’s trick to retaining silky smooth skin?

    From an archaeologist who has to wash his hands dozens of times a day - Norwegian Formula. It isn't the nicest stuff when you put it on but it really does the trick. Wash your hands and once they are clean and rinsed, keep them slightly damp and then put the formula on.
    Be careful. Some of that stuff contains Lanolin and 10% of the population are allergic to it. I found out when it caused rashes from my fingertips to my elbows and it took 4 months of steroid treatment to fix the mess.
    Cheers Didn't realise that. Thankfully I am not but useful to know and will advise as such in future.
    Yes, thank you. That makes you think.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766
    BigRich said:

    Andy_JS said:
    Sansers on only 20.7% with most of the 'Pan handal' still to come.

    If he drops below 15% then he gets 0 of the state-wide deligets. which would I think be the end of his campaign.
    Hope so. Let's get this done.
  • alteregoalterego Posts: 1,100

    glw said:

    He's human garbage.

    You know a lot of idiots were not long ago saying things like "Trump hasn't started any wars like Bush" to justify defending Trump, apparently these idiots do not realise that circumstances matter. i.e. Trump after 9/11 would have done just as badly if not worse than Bush did.

    So far this year Trump has come close to starting a war with Iran, perhaps only avoided by the DOD downplaying injuries in the days after the Iranian retaliation, and Trump is now completely screwing up dealing with a pandemic.

    We are unfortunately now able to observe just how unfit for office Trump is during the current disastrous circumstances. God help us if there's any further crisis as fallout from the pandemic, such as revolutions, coups, or wars.
    Trump isn't nearly as bad as W or Reagan, but that's a low bar
    What are you on?
  • alteregoalterego Posts: 1,100

    Alistair said:

    Right. There’s at least one medical professional on here. With all this hand washing and the like, I now have the hands of a 4000 year old mummy. What’s the medical profession’s trick to retaining silky smooth skin?

    E45
    Thank you. I shall report back on the competing theories like a Pound Shop Martin Lewis.
    I thought Martin Lewis was Pound Shop
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,218

    FPT:

    Tim_B said:

    ...

    No paper tape. We did have a data cell though! We even had a 1401 in the computer room for legacy programs.

    COBOL on an ICL 1900 for me back in 1981. Coding sheets, punch cards with no automatic sequencing (don't drop the deck before first compiliation!), 16kb module limit, 6 bit characters, 24 bit words, 8,388,608 was the largest value you could hold in a single word computational field...

    Ah, those were the days!
    George II anyone? 2 character filenames! I hated that OS. It had a language that used decision tables for its logic, but I cannot recall the name.

    RPG II, RPG/400, RPG IV, COBOL, C, C++, SQL, PHP, Python, Java, Javascript, Dataflex,... oh Synon/2 (that was a nice little earner)

    I wish I was as good at human languages :D
    Python.

    Guido van Rossum deserves a medal.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    edited March 2020
    Please don't lock me up, Mr Johnson. I may be 73 but that doesn't mean I'm a crumbly wreck with no human rights

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8121021/JANET-STREET-PORTER-coronavirus-dont-lock-Boris-Johnson.html

    FFS..its not about you.....I have heard from my father this evening that one of his friends is refusing to alter his daily life, which includes trips to the supermarket, the local cafe, etc because he isn't scared to die. Again, its not just about you !!!!

    This bell-ends are going to crash the system and kill young people.
  • Time_to_LeaveTime_to_Leave Posts: 2,547
    edited March 2020
    alterego said:

    glw said:

    He's human garbage.

    You know a lot of idiots were not long ago saying things like "Trump hasn't started any wars like Bush" to justify defending Trump, apparently these idiots do not realise that circumstances matter. i.e. Trump after 9/11 would have done just as badly if not worse than Bush did.

    So far this year Trump has come close to starting a war with Iran, perhaps only avoided by the DOD downplaying injuries in the days after the Iranian retaliation, and Trump is now completely screwing up dealing with a pandemic.

    We are unfortunately now able to observe just how unfit for office Trump is during the current disastrous circumstances. God help us if there's any further crisis as fallout from the pandemic, such as revolutions, coups, or wars.
    Trump isn't nearly as bad as W or Reagan, but that's a low bar
    What are you on?
    I now dream of the days of Bush Jnr. In relative terms, he was a statesman.

    See also the lowest quality John Major or New Labour Minister vs. much of both current front benches.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,218
    Andy_JS said:
    Tulsi's going to struggle to get delegates there...
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    Sanders looking absolutely screwed in FL.

    And so goes FL, so goes his entire campaign.

    He should concede.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,218

    FPT:

    Tim_B said:

    ...

    No paper tape. We did have a data cell though! We even had a 1401 in the computer room for legacy programs.

    COBOL on an ICL 1900 for me back in 1981. Coding sheets, punch cards with no automatic sequencing (don't drop the deck before first compiliation!), 16kb module limit, 6 bit characters, 24 bit words, 8,388,608 was the largest value you could hold in a single word computational field...

    Ah, those were the days!
    George II anyone? 2 character filenames! I hated that OS. It had a language that used decision tables for its logic, but I cannot recall the name.

    RPG II, RPG/400, RPG IV, COBOL, C, C++, SQL, PHP, Python, Java, Javascript, Dataflex,... oh Synon/2 (that was a nice little earner)

    I wish I was as good at human languages :D
    Oh Pascal!
    Yes - I forgot about that one. Turbo Pascal as well with Sidekick for an editor. I loved that Editor.

    I have not included any assembly languages, but some of my code was running in embedded systems on North Sea oil rigs at one point. That is why I think they are unsafe :D:D:D
    I :love: Pascal. Caught up with old comp sci mate who was back coding in Pascal on a contract for legacy issue reasons.
    I used to love Pascal until I did a prolonged period of C/C++ and when I went back to Pascal it felt so verbose. I had the same issue with COBOL -> RPG -> COBOL

    I am not overly fond of Python. It feels like the language designer did half the job.
    I take it back.

    Python is beautiful. Sublime. It is without a doubt a prince among programming languages.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119

    Sanders looking absolutely screwed in FL.

    And so goes FL, so goes his entire campaign.

    He should concede.

    No idea why a state with a load of people who escaped Castro's Cuba wouldn't be keen on Sanders...
  • isam said:

    eadric said:

    This is pretty monumental.

    America expects to lose 4.6 MILLION jobs In tourism in a year

    https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1240049040726855680?s=20

    This is way worse than anything that happened after 9/11, and will double US unemployment in one stroke

    I think we are looking at a Depression, not a Recession.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if the end result was as near as dammit as socialism. Surely 50k corporate non jobs won’t exist and nurses, care workers and the like will be better paid than now? Plane tickets will cost a bomb, fewer people will travel, the planet will be greener. A prem footballer won’t earn in a week what 12 nurses do a year.

    It is like God has said what part of global warming, air pollution & chronic illnesses didn’t you get? And just served up the equivalent of a plague of locusts as it’s the only language we understand
    Other than the God bit (I assume shorthand on your part) all of what you say has crossed my mind
    Nurses are paid so so because though what they do requires dedication, it’s a skill that’s easily acquired and in plentiful supply.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609

    Right. There’s at least one medical professional on here. With all this hand washing and the like, I now have the hands of a 4000 year old mummy. What’s the medical profession’s trick to retaining silky smooth skin?

    From an archaeologist who has to wash his hands dozens of times a day - Norwegian Formula. It isn't the nicest stuff when you put it on but it really does the trick. Wash your hands and once they are clean and rinsed, keep them slightly damp and then put the formula on.
    Be careful. Some of that stuff contains Lanolin and 10% of the population are allergic to it. I found out when it caused rashes from my fingertips to my elbows and it took 4 months of steroid treatment to fix the mess.
    Norwegian Formula makes no reference to Lanolin in its ingredients. (Unless it is known by some other chemical name?)
  • Time_to_LeaveTime_to_Leave Posts: 2,547

    Please don't lock me up, Mr Johnson. I may be 73 but that doesn't mean I'm a crumbly wreck with no human rights

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8121021/JANET-STREET-PORTER-coronavirus-dont-lock-Boris-Johnson.html

    FFS..its not about you.....I have heard from my father this evening that one of his friends is refusing to alter his daily life, which includes trips to the supermarket, the local cafe, etc because he isn't scared to die. Again, its not just about you !!!!

    This bell-ends are going to crash the system and kill young people.

    We need the Queen to address the nation. This stuff and the panic buying.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609
    Always weird to see Florida results whilst the Panhandle is still voting. Why they can't hold back an hour is a mystery.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119

    FPT:

    Tim_B said:

    ...

    No paper tape. We did have a data cell though! We even had a 1401 in the computer room for legacy programs.

    COBOL on an ICL 1900 for me back in 1981. Coding sheets, punch cards with no automatic sequencing (don't drop the deck before first compiliation!), 16kb module limit, 6 bit characters, 24 bit words, 8,388,608 was the largest value you could hold in a single word computational field...

    Ah, those were the days!
    George II anyone? 2 character filenames! I hated that OS. It had a language that used decision tables for its logic, but I cannot recall the name.

    RPG II, RPG/400, RPG IV, COBOL, C, C++, SQL, PHP, Python, Java, Javascript, Dataflex,... oh Synon/2 (that was a nice little earner)

    I wish I was as good at human languages :D
    Oh Pascal!
    Yes - I forgot about that one. Turbo Pascal as well with Sidekick for an editor. I loved that Editor.

    I have not included any assembly languages, but some of my code was running in embedded systems on North Sea oil rigs at one point. That is why I think they are unsafe :D:D:D
    I :love: Pascal. Caught up with old comp sci mate who was back coding in Pascal on a contract for legacy issue reasons.
    I used to love Pascal until I did a prolonged period of C/C++ and when I went back to Pascal it felt so verbose. I had the same issue with COBOL -> RPG -> COBOL

    I am not overly fond of Python. It feels like the language designer did half the job.
    Claiming not to like Python, I believe that might be a worse crime on this website than admitting to eating pineapple on pizza.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163

    Right. There’s at least one medical professional on here. With all this hand washing and the like, I now have the hands of a 4000 year old mummy. What’s the medical profession’s trick to retaining silky smooth skin?

    From an archaeologist who has to wash his hands dozens of times a day - Norwegian Formula. It isn't the nicest stuff when you put it on but it really does the trick. Wash your hands and once they are clean and rinsed, keep them slightly damp and then put the formula on.
    Be careful. Some of that stuff contains Lanolin and 10% of the population are allergic to it. I found out when it caused rashes from my fingertips to my elbows and it took 4 months of steroid treatment to fix the mess.
    Cheers Didn't realise that. Thankfully I am not but useful to know and will advise as such in future.
    Assuming I googled the correct product, the one you are talking about is lanolin free, but look for Lanolin, Wool oil or Medilan (all the same thing)
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,218
    kyf_100 said:

    eadric said:

    This is pretty monumental.

    America expects to lose 4.6 MILLION jobs In tourism in a year

    https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1240049040726855680?s=20

    This is way worse than anything that happened after 9/11, and will double US unemployment in one stroke

    I think we are looking at a Depression, not a Recession.

    I think we are looking at a total systems collapse. Not quite the bronze age collapse just yet, but something much bigger than 1929.

    The financial system, supply chains, law and order, the health system - all breaking down at the same time.

    Perhaps we will pull through. Or perhaps it is the end of everything. It is probably somewhere in between. But it is not just the medical consequences we should be worried about.
    There's a lot of ruin in a nation.

    This will be painful. But the government is going to shower everyone with cash. (Which means it'll all wash through as inflation in a couple of years... Buy inflation linked bonds...)

    Ultimately, economies bounce back from things because these shocks - while nasty - have remarkably little impact on the means of production. If a restaurant goes out of business, that sucks for the owner, who's lost their life savings. But someone will go to the bank and offer 50 cents in the dollar for the equipment, and will be up and running soon enough. The means of production are still there.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609
    BigRich said:

    Andy_JS said:
    Sansers on only 20.7% with most of the 'Pan handal' still to come.

    If he drops below 15% then he gets 0 of the state-wide deligets. which would I think be the end of his campaign.
    Sanders will get above 15%. But still heavily beaten.

    This contest is over, unless Biden keels over.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    Australia have told their people that restrictions will be in place for 6 months.
  • MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651
    FPT on the historic tradition of shared communion cups...
    BigRich said:

    Interesting point, I hadn't considered how culturally drinking from a shared container was a major part of life for thousands of years. Much the same principle as with a Viking drinking horn full of mead being passed around the table at a feast.

    The modern equivalents perhaps being passing a Joint or a 'crak' pipe, not my thing, but I understand the custom is to pass to the left, the same a bottle of port.
    Ha! A Paraguayan friend showed me their flasks for mate and tereré. Was apparently common for them all to be shared around with your friends actually and the idea of sucking the same straw seemed a bit off to me but they didn't seem to mind (wonder how COVID-19 changes things!). To quote someone who I think has it right whereas my memory might be a bit dodgy, https://www.bradtguides.com/articles/terere-mate/

    Both mate and tereré are made with yerba mate, which means ‘mate leaf ’, but people usually just say yerba for short. The cup for the leaves is called a guampa, and there are different types for tereré and for mate. For tereré, a cow’s horn is generally used, with the point cut and filled in with a wooden stopper, so that it will stand up. For mate, people usually use a wooden guampa, because it has to be something with insulation against the heat of the water. In both cases a metal straw is used, called a bombilla, which has a flattened end with a strainer on it, so that the yerba leaves do not pass up the straw. Only one guampa and one bombilla is used, and it is passed around the group for each to drink in turn. This can be found distasteful by many foreigners, who are afraid of getting infections, but in fact that is very unlikely, although not totally unknown.

    Just as there are two kinds of guampa, there are two kinds of vacuum flask. The one that holds hot water for mate is similar to the kind of Thermos you can buy in other countries. But the kind for holding iced water has to have a much broader mouth, because the ice is made in thick bars of about 4cm diameter. This fat kind of vacuum flask uses polystyrene as the insulation material, and is very light to carry. Beautiful souvenir vacuum flasks are made with a decorated leather casing, and guampas can have details of silverwork on them. You will see a lot of these in Luque.
  • MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651
    edited March 2020
    FPT on doing ridiculous things with ZX 81/Spectrum...
    Alistair said:



    I wore out the programming possibilities of a ZX81 in a week and traded it in against a BBC Model B which lasted me about 10 years.

    For anyone who's into their retrocomputing, there's still a ZX81 demoscene!! Not as big as the Commodore/Amiga or Speccie demoscenes, but arguably even more hardcore. Anyone with fondish 80s/earlys 90s memories of the limitations of their Spectrum or C64 or Amiga 500 should browse the demoscene vids on Youtube. What the masters can get out of that hardware is incredible, and every now and then some new tricks come along.

    Bearing in mind the limitations of the ZX81, especially the fact it didn't originally come with a way to do "hi-res" i.e. pixel-by-pixel graphics (though ways around this have been found), the following demos are astonishing:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X92xvLlbnVg

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKj6TaADFWo
    That is utterly outrageous. Jaw dropping. I frankly can't believe that.

    Brightened my day!
    There's loads more on youtube, it's a whole subculture of the most gifted geek-artistes. I fear anyone born after, what, maybe 1990(?), will find it hard to understand why we are fussing over it. But it is mind-blowing.

    The Spectrum demos are great, to someone who remembers the original software it's freakish to see how they can get past the issue of attribute clash (aka colour bleeding: the way each 8x8 tile of pixels could only have two colours). There's a nice selection here, you can zoom forwards in time to see how even in the 2000s the quality was improving as new techniques became available.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vtUCTX4qrA

    Oh, and then someone thought they it sounded a great idea to port Doom to it!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3v7cFGneuaw
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    Please don't lock me up, Mr Johnson. I may be 73 but that doesn't mean I'm a crumbly wreck with no human rights

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8121021/JANET-STREET-PORTER-coronavirus-dont-lock-Boris-Johnson.html

    FFS..its not about you.....I have heard from my father this evening that one of his friends is refusing to alter his daily life, which includes trips to the supermarket, the local cafe, etc because he isn't scared to die. Again, its not just about you !!!!

    This bell-ends are going to crash the system and kill young people.

    We need the Queen to address the nation. This stuff and the panic buying.
    Aldi have a max per customer of 4 toilet rolls and hand sanitizers. The cashier tonight told me people were getting aggressive with the staff for implementing the rule
  • LucyJonesLucyJones Posts: 651

    Alistair said:

    Right. There’s at least one medical professional on here. With all this hand washing and the like, I now have the hands of a 4000 year old mummy. What’s the medical profession’s trick to retaining silky smooth skin?

    E45
    Thank you. I shall report back on the competing theories like a Pound Shop Martin Lewis.
    Put it on before you go to sleep at night, so it gets a few hours to "soak in" without being washed off again. I find that helps a lot.
  • Time_to_LeaveTime_to_Leave Posts: 2,547
    edited March 2020
    isam said:

    Please don't lock me up, Mr Johnson. I may be 73 but that doesn't mean I'm a crumbly wreck with no human rights

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8121021/JANET-STREET-PORTER-coronavirus-dont-lock-Boris-Johnson.html

    FFS..its not about you.....I have heard from my father this evening that one of his friends is refusing to alter his daily life, which includes trips to the supermarket, the local cafe, etc because he isn't scared to die. Again, its not just about you !!!!

    This bell-ends are going to crash the system and kill young people.

    We need the Queen to address the nation. This stuff and the panic buying.
    Aldi have a max per customer of 4 toilet rolls and hand sanitizers. The cashier tonight told me people were getting aggressive with the staff for implementing the rule
    FFS. First the Queen, then eventually the riot squad and the army.

    Edit - Not suggesting she lead the latter, but Prince Philip May wish to.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766
    isam said:

    Please don't lock me up, Mr Johnson. I may be 73 but that doesn't mean I'm a crumbly wreck with no human rights

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8121021/JANET-STREET-PORTER-coronavirus-dont-lock-Boris-Johnson.html

    FFS..its not about you.....I have heard from my father this evening that one of his friends is refusing to alter his daily life, which includes trips to the supermarket, the local cafe, etc because he isn't scared to die. Again, its not just about you !!!!

    This bell-ends are going to crash the system and kill young people.

    We need the Queen to address the nation. This stuff and the panic buying.
    Aldi have a max per customer of 4 toilet rolls and hand sanitizers. The cashier tonight told me people were getting aggressive with the staff for implementing the rule
    Scuffles in my local Lidl this morning over bog roll apparently.

    Bonkers.

    The suppliers have warehouses full of the stuff.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163

    ... I am not overly fond of Python. It feels like the language designer did half the job.

    Claiming not to like Python, I believe that might be a worse crime on this website than admitting to eating pineapple on pizza.
    Nonsense! It is a half-baked language. BASIC on steroids. The indent mechanism is absurd, the class access modifiers are 1/3rd of the job, data structuring is primitive and having to pass "self" around as a parameter is bonkers.

    It is good for prototyping - I will give it a big plus for that. It definitely has inherited BASIC's ease of use.

    I prefer it to Javascript. That is the true pineapple-on-pizza programming language
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119

    isam said:

    Please don't lock me up, Mr Johnson. I may be 73 but that doesn't mean I'm a crumbly wreck with no human rights

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8121021/JANET-STREET-PORTER-coronavirus-dont-lock-Boris-Johnson.html

    FFS..its not about you.....I have heard from my father this evening that one of his friends is refusing to alter his daily life, which includes trips to the supermarket, the local cafe, etc because he isn't scared to die. Again, its not just about you !!!!

    This bell-ends are going to crash the system and kill young people.

    We need the Queen to address the nation. This stuff and the panic buying.
    Aldi have a max per customer of 4 toilet rolls and hand sanitizers. The cashier tonight told me people were getting aggressive with the staff for implementing the rule
    Scuffles in my local Lidl this morning over bog roll apparently.

    Bonkers.

    The suppliers have warehouses full of the stuff.
    Just WTF is it about bog roll....like really....if the worst comes to the worst, just have a shower.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163

    isam said:

    Please don't lock me up, Mr Johnson. I may be 73 but that doesn't mean I'm a crumbly wreck with no human rights

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8121021/JANET-STREET-PORTER-coronavirus-dont-lock-Boris-Johnson.html

    FFS..its not about you.....I have heard from my father this evening that one of his friends is refusing to alter his daily life, which includes trips to the supermarket, the local cafe, etc because he isn't scared to die. Again, its not just about you !!!!

    This bell-ends are going to crash the system and kill young people.

    We need the Queen to address the nation. This stuff and the panic buying.
    Aldi have a max per customer of 4 toilet rolls and hand sanitizers. The cashier tonight told me people were getting aggressive with the staff for implementing the rule
    Scuffles in my local Lidl this morning over bog roll apparently.

    Bonkers.

    The suppliers have warehouses full of the stuff.
    Just WTF is it about bog roll....like really....if the worst comes to the worst, just have a shower.
    Or do what countless generations of women had to do. Keep some rags you can boil wash and re-use.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119

    ... I am not overly fond of Python. It feels like the language designer did half the job.

    Claiming not to like Python, I believe that might be a worse crime on this website than admitting to eating pineapple on pizza.
    Nonsense! It is a half-baked language. BASIC on steroids. The indent mechanism is absurd, the class access modifiers are 1/3rd of the job, data structuring is primitive and having to pass "self" around as a parameter is bonkers.

    It is good for prototyping - I will give it a big plus for that. It definitely has inherited BASIC's ease of use.

    I prefer it to Javascript. That is the true pineapple-on-pizza programming language
    LOL....whispers quietly....I don't disagree....even though I now I have to use Python for 90% of my stuff. But I believe OGH Jr won't hear a bad word about it in the way the great name of Radiohead mustn't be taken in vain.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,601

    isam said:

    Please don't lock me up, Mr Johnson. I may be 73 but that doesn't mean I'm a crumbly wreck with no human rights

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8121021/JANET-STREET-PORTER-coronavirus-dont-lock-Boris-Johnson.html

    FFS..its not about you.....I have heard from my father this evening that one of his friends is refusing to alter his daily life, which includes trips to the supermarket, the local cafe, etc because he isn't scared to die. Again, its not just about you !!!!

    This bell-ends are going to crash the system and kill young people.

    We need the Queen to address the nation. This stuff and the panic buying.
    Aldi have a max per customer of 4 toilet rolls and hand sanitizers. The cashier tonight told me people were getting aggressive with the staff for implementing the rule
    Scuffles in my local Lidl this morning over bog roll apparently.

    Bonkers.

    The suppliers have warehouses full of the stuff.
    Apparently it's still available at smaller shops like Superdrug.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766

    Australia have told their people that restrictions will be in place for 6 months.

    2m apart at all barbecues?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,218

    ... I am not overly fond of Python. It feels like the language designer did half the job.

    Claiming not to like Python, I believe that might be a worse crime on this website than admitting to eating pineapple on pizza.
    Nonsense! It is a half-baked language. BASIC on steroids. The indent mechanism is absurd, the class access modifiers are 1/3rd of the job, data structuring is primitive and having to pass "self" around as a parameter is bonkers.

    It is good for prototyping - I will give it a big plus for that. It definitely has inherited BASIC's ease of use.

    I prefer it to Javascript. That is the true pineapple-on-pizza programming language
    I like you, I genuinely do.

    And I do find the need to specify self a bit odd. (Especially as - IIRC - you can't even rename it :smile: )

    But indenting. I loathed it at first. Now I love it. Yes, I know you can make sure VIM highlights a missing parentheses... but (simply) indenting works. Indenting is right. Indenting, ladies and gentlemen, is what made this country great.

    I agree with you re Javascript.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163

    FPT on doing ridiculous things with ZX 81/Spectrum...

    ...

    Oh, and then someone thought they it sounded a great idea to port Doom to it!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3v7cFGneuaw

    I will admit to being impressed. :+1:
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    alterego said:

    Is he now unsackable? - the genie's out of the bottle.
    Yep, near enough.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    rcs1000 said:

    ... I am not overly fond of Python. It feels like the language designer did half the job.

    Claiming not to like Python, I believe that might be a worse crime on this website than admitting to eating pineapple on pizza.
    Nonsense! It is a half-baked language. BASIC on steroids. The indent mechanism is absurd, the class access modifiers are 1/3rd of the job, data structuring is primitive and having to pass "self" around as a parameter is bonkers.

    It is good for prototyping - I will give it a big plus for that. It definitely has inherited BASIC's ease of use.

    I prefer it to Javascript. That is the true pineapple-on-pizza programming language
    I like you, I genuinely do.

    And I do find the need to specify self a bit odd. (Especially as - IIRC - you can't even rename it :smile: )

    But indenting. I loathed it at first. Now I love it. Yes, I know you can make sure VIM highlights a missing parentheses... but (simply) indenting works. Indenting is right. Indenting, ladies and gentlemen, is what made this country great.

    I agree with you re Javascript.
    VIM......oh god....what's wrong with Atom or even better PyCharm?
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163
    LucyJones said:

    Alistair said:

    Right. There’s at least one medical professional on here. With all this hand washing and the like, I now have the hands of a 4000 year old mummy. What’s the medical profession’s trick to retaining silky smooth skin?

    E45
    Thank you. I shall report back on the competing theories like a Pound Shop Martin Lewis.
    Put it on before you go to sleep at night, so it gets a few hours to "soak in" without being washed off again. I find that helps a lot.
    E45 definitely contains Lanolin!
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609
    Andy_JS said:

    isam said:

    Please don't lock me up, Mr Johnson. I may be 73 but that doesn't mean I'm a crumbly wreck with no human rights

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8121021/JANET-STREET-PORTER-coronavirus-dont-lock-Boris-Johnson.html

    FFS..its not about you.....I have heard from my father this evening that one of his friends is refusing to alter his daily life, which includes trips to the supermarket, the local cafe, etc because he isn't scared to die. Again, its not just about you !!!!

    This bell-ends are going to crash the system and kill young people.

    We need the Queen to address the nation. This stuff and the panic buying.
    Aldi have a max per customer of 4 toilet rolls and hand sanitizers. The cashier tonight told me people were getting aggressive with the staff for implementing the rule
    Scuffles in my local Lidl this morning over bog roll apparently.

    Bonkers.

    The suppliers have warehouses full of the stuff.
    Apparently it's still available at smaller shops like Superdrug.
    Or M&S....
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,601

    FPT on doing ridiculous things with ZX 81/Spectrum...

    Alistair said:



    I wore out the programming possibilities of a ZX81 in a week and traded it in against a BBC Model B which lasted me about 10 years.

    For anyone who's into their retrocomputing, there's still a ZX81 demoscene!! Not as big as the Commodore/Amiga or Speccie demoscenes, but arguably even more hardcore. Anyone with fondish 80s/earlys 90s memories of the limitations of their Spectrum or C64 or Amiga 500 should browse the demoscene vids on Youtube. What the masters can get out of that hardware is incredible, and every now and then some new tricks come along.

    Bearing in mind the limitations of the ZX81, especially the fact it didn't originally come with a way to do "hi-res" i.e. pixel-by-pixel graphics (though ways around this have been found), the following demos are astonishing:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X92xvLlbnVg

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKj6TaADFWo
    That is utterly outrageous. Jaw dropping. I frankly can't believe that.

    Brightened my day!
    There's loads more on youtube, it's a whole subculture of the most gifted geek-artistes. I fear anyone born after, what, maybe 1990(?), will find it hard to understand why we are fussing over it. But it is mind-blowing.

    The Spectrum demos are great, to someone who remembers the original software it's freakish to see how they can get past the issue of attribute clash (aka colour bleeding: the way each 8x8 tile of pixels could only have two colours). There's a nice selection here, you can zoom forwards in time to see how even in the 2000s the quality was improving as new techniques became available.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vtUCTX4qrA

    Oh, and then someone thought they it sounded a great idea to port Doom to it!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3v7cFGneuaw
    It's amazing what you can do with 128 or 256K.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766

    Please don't lock me up, Mr Johnson. I may be 73 but that doesn't mean I'm a crumbly wreck with no human rights

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8121021/JANET-STREET-PORTER-coronavirus-dont-lock-Boris-Johnson.html

    FFS..its not about you.....I have heard from my father this evening that one of his friends is refusing to alter his daily life, which includes trips to the supermarket, the local cafe, etc because he isn't scared to die. Again, its not just about you !!!!

    This bell-ends are going to crash the system and kill young people.

    We need the Queen to address the nation. This stuff and the panic buying.
    How about these refuseniks sign a document. If they get the virus then the State kills them in order to avoid the use of an NHS UCI and ventilator for six weeks?
  • Please don't lock me up, Mr Johnson. I may be 73 but that doesn't mean I'm a crumbly wreck with no human rights

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8121021/JANET-STREET-PORTER-coronavirus-dont-lock-Boris-Johnson.html

    FFS..its not about you.....I have heard from my father this evening that one of his friends is refusing to alter his daily life, which includes trips to the supermarket, the local cafe, etc because he isn't scared to die. Again, its not just about you !!!!

    This bell-ends are going to crash the system and kill young people.

    We need the Queen to address the nation. This stuff and the panic buying.
    “Dear subjects, we all must make sacrifices in these trying times. Myself and my husband Philip are self isolating at Windsor castle. I recommend you also choose one of your more remote castles to self isolate in. It can be a trying burden ensuring all those that cook for you and serve you have been thoroughly tested. “
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609

    Australia have told their people that restrictions will be in place for 6 months.

    Just in time for the bushfire season to start up again.

    They are having a shitty year. God has clearly still not forgiven them for cheating at cricket.
  • Leo V's speech to the Irish people is a cut above what we're getting:

    https://www.pscp.tv/w/1OdKrqbNaWQxX?t=1
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163

    rcs1000 said:

    ... I am not overly fond of Python. It feels like the language designer did half the job.

    Claiming not to like Python, I believe that might be a worse crime on this website than admitting to eating pineapple on pizza.
    Nonsense! It is a half-baked language. BASIC on steroids. The indent mechanism is absurd, the class access modifiers are 1/3rd of the job, data structuring is primitive and having to pass "self" around as a parameter is bonkers.

    It is good for prototyping - I will give it a big plus for that. It definitely has inherited BASIC's ease of use.

    I prefer it to Javascript. That is the true pineapple-on-pizza programming language
    I like you, I genuinely do.

    And I do find the need to specify self a bit odd. (Especially as - IIRC - you can't even rename it :smile: )

    But indenting. I loathed it at first. Now I love it. Yes, I know you can make sure VIM highlights a missing parentheses... but (simply) indenting works. Indenting is right. Indenting, ladies and gentlemen, is what made this country great.

    I agree with you re Javascript.
    VIM......oh god....what's wrong with Atom or even better PyCharm?
    I use Geany on Linux for these toy languages. For proper work I use Eclipse and a bunch of plugins.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609
    edited March 2020

    Please don't lock me up, Mr Johnson. I may be 73 but that doesn't mean I'm a crumbly wreck with no human rights

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8121021/JANET-STREET-PORTER-coronavirus-dont-lock-Boris-Johnson.html

    FFS..its not about you.....I have heard from my father this evening that one of his friends is refusing to alter his daily life, which includes trips to the supermarket, the local cafe, etc because he isn't scared to die. Again, its not just about you !!!!

    This bell-ends are going to crash the system and kill young people.

    We need the Queen to address the nation. This stuff and the panic buying.
    How about these refuseniks sign a document. If they get the virus then the State kills them in order to avoid the use of an NHS UCI and ventilator for six weeks?
    Sign - and they never even get inside a hospital.

    After all, we are going through all this economic shit to save you guys.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766
    Biden on 60%.

    70% in.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609

    Biden on 60%.

    70% in.

    Where is the other 17%? Lots of write-ins and minor candidates?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,218

    ... I am not overly fond of Python. It feels like the language designer did half the job.

    Claiming not to like Python, I believe that might be a worse crime on this website than admitting to eating pineapple on pizza.
    Nonsense! It is a half-baked language. BASIC on steroids. The indent mechanism is absurd, the class access modifiers are 1/3rd of the job, data structuring is primitive and having to pass "self" around as a parameter is bonkers.

    It is good for prototyping - I will give it a big plus for that. It definitely has inherited BASIC's ease of use.

    I prefer it to Javascript. That is the true pineapple-on-pizza programming language
    LOL....whispers quietly....I don't disagree....even though I now I have to use Python for 90% of my stuff. But I believe OGH Jr won't hear a bad word about it in the way the great name of Radiohead mustn't be taken in vain.
    There is an economic concept called "revealed preference". That holds that, whatever you might *say* you like, it is in your actions we know your true preference.

    People who say to me, "oh I love music". Well, if I discover they don't regularly listen to Radiohead, well that's an example of revealed preference. In this case a revealed preference for shit over music.

    The same is true of people who say "I love programming". If it turns out that they hate Python, then they don't really love programming.
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