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The big development in the race for the White House overnight has been the decision by Pete Buttigieg to quit the race following his poor performance in South Carolina.
Looking at the individual latest polls suggests a Biden bounce, though we've not yet had a poll that is entirely post-SC. I think we'll see Sanders getting more delegates tomorrow than Biden, but like Mike I reckon it'll be well short of a knockout.
R4 saying markets are rallying today on the back of co-ordinated "will take all actions necessary" statements from central banks around the world.
Haha. If only pandemics were so easy to control.
Dead cat springs to mind.
Perhaps - but there is an argument that the economic implications are overstated by the doom mongers.
If coronavirus proves controllable, then we could be back to normal within a matter of months; if not, we could also be back to some kind of normality within a matter of moths, as there will no longer be any point in massive lockdowns/quarantines.
And to put it brutally, most of the active workforce will be far less affected than the retired.
Central banks acting to prevent liquidity crises in a co-ordinated manner is simply common sense.
There is an argument but not one I would agree with.
But I am increasingly of the view the government is going to try a strategy of no lock down. But it might however get dragged into one because the consequences of its decision would be so severe. By then it would be too late to reap many of the benefits whilst it will still accrue all the costs. Probably the most important decision any government has made in a generation.
It's going to be a brutal few months. Let's hope it passes quickly. God bless all those working in health care.
I don't disagree.
How we get through this depends to some extent on how pragmatic and foresighted the government turn out to be. They do have the advantage of more preparation time than many countries, the chance to learn from others' mistakes, and a decent nationwide public health administration.
Well, it sounds like a deal’s been struck behind the scenes to me.
When was the last Primary Winner of either party to pick a defeated rival from the primaries for running mate? Certainly it seems a rare event from my memory. Was Obama the last one or did Biden not run in 2008?
It’s an utterly pointless and worthless exercise as it assumes that people will vote in the same way regardless of system and that parties will be the same regardless of system.
I think the good professor means what would happen if we'd used a different election system but kept it secret from the voters so their behaviour did not change. Still, the report has some interesting information and a photograph of Boris apparently leading a funeral cortege on page 48.
Well, it sounds like a deal’s been struck behind the scenes to me.
When was the last Primary Winner of either party to pick a defeated rival from the primaries for running mate? Certainly it seems a rare event from my memory. Was Obama the last one or did Biden not run in 2008?
Looking at the individual latest polls suggests a Biden bounce, though we've not yet had a poll that is entirely post-SC. I think we'll see Sanders getting more delegates tomorrow than Biden, but like Mike I reckon it'll be well short of a knockout.
I think the good professor means what would happen if we'd used a different election system but kept it secret from the voters so their behaviour did not change. Still, the report has some interesting information and a photograph of Boris apparently leading a funeral cortege on page 48.
New way to run elections. 4 different systems are available and voters have to fill out ballots for each one. Then after the polls close one of the electoral systems is picked at random to be used to decide the election.
Well, it sounds like a deal’s been struck behind the scenes to me.
When was the last Primary Winner of either party to pick a defeated rival from the primaries for running mate? Certainly it seems a rare event from my memory. Was Obama the last one or did Biden not run in 2008?
They haven't in the last couple of cycles but previously there was Obama -> Biden and Kerry -> Edwards.
Interesting the differences in results. While STV is the theoretically best system, Ams is the most likely one to be adopted if the UK ever does switch to PR. It could potentially happen if 2024 results in a hung parliament. Unlike in 2010 when Labour were basically done with government, a Labour Party in 2024 would be much more willing to implement PR with Lib Dems to get into government.
If the Tories win 2024, its more likely that Labour would win in 2029 with a majority and so PR once again off the table.
I think the good professor means what would happen if we'd used a different election system but kept it secret from the voters so their behaviour did not change. Still, the report has some interesting information and a photograph of Boris apparently leading a funeral cortege on page 48.
New way to run elections. 4 different systems are available and voters have to fill out ballots for each one. Then after the polls close one of the electoral systems is picked at random to be used to decide the election.
Or we declare what all four sets of results would be, and then have a referendum... ?
That’s a good piece on the nature of the agreements and differences at this stage. There’s still a place somewhere in the middle where an agreement is possible, but a lot of moving parts in the next few months - and these things only tend to come together when there’s a high degree of urgency.
Did you see the French fisherman are threatening a blockade of the channel ports if no deal is done on access to UK waters ?
A significant and credible (and disgraceful) threat.
Nevertheless as the article says - and has been obvious from the start to those that care to look - our leverage is very limited, as without EU markets to sell our fish to (that Brits don't fancy to eat), our industry is done for anyway.
Well, it sounds like a deal’s been struck behind the scenes to me.
When was the last Primary Winner of either party to pick a defeated rival from the primaries for running mate? Certainly it seems a rare event from my memory. Was Obama the last one or did Biden not run in 2008?
I don't think Buttigieg would have been offered running mate - chief of staff ready for a subsequent campaign is a more likely option.
Interesting the differences in results. While STV is the theoretically best system, Ams is the most likely one to be adopted if the UK ever does switch to PR. It could potentially happen if 2024 results in a hung parliament. Unlike in 2010 when Labour were basically done with government, a Labour Party in 2024 would be much more willing to implement PR with Lib Dems to get into government.
If the Tories win 2024, its more likely that Labour would win in 2029 with a majority and so PR once again off the table.
Would the SNP be in favour of PR though? I’d say not, on the numbers.
Interesting the differences in results. While STV is the theoretically best system, Ams is the most likely one to be adopted if the UK ever does switch to PR. It could potentially happen if 2024 results in a hung parliament. Unlike in 2010 when Labour were basically done with government, a Labour Party in 2024 would be much more willing to implement PR with Lib Dems to get into government.
If the Tories win 2024, its more likely that Labour would win in 2029 with a majority and so PR once again off the table.
Would the SNP be in favour of PR though? I’d say not, on the numbers.
It would also likely have to have a referendum to confirm.
As the figures suggest the biggest winners from PR would be the LDs, followed by the Greens and Brexit Party, the biggest losers the Tories and SNP.
Labour would benefit under STV but lose out under AMS
I think the good professor means what would happen if we'd used a different election system but kept it secret from the voters so their behaviour did not change. Still, the report has some interesting information and a photograph of Boris apparently leading a funeral cortege on page 48.
New way to run elections. 4 different systems are available and voters have to fill out ballots for each one. Then after the polls close one of the electoral systems is picked at random to be used to decide the election.
Or we declare what all four sets of results would be, and then have a referendum... ?
I'm quite tempted to throw a tenner away on a 2021 General Election.
Edit scrub that a 2021 general election is possible if Boris completely screws up. I can't see even him screwing things up that badly though as Gove is watching over the important areas.
Did you see the French fisherman are threatening a blockade of the channel ports if no deal is done on access to UK waters ?
A significant and credible (and disgraceful) threat.
Nevertheless as the article says - and has been obvious from the start to those that care to look - our leverage is very limited, as without EU markets to sell our fish to (that Brits don't fancy to eat), our industry is done for anyway.
The UK’s leverage is that it one of the few areas that the EU really, really cares about.
I suspect that a compromise looks something like a percentage of fish caught in UK waters, roughly equal to that currently landed in the EU but destined for non-EU markets, needs to be landed in the UK. Probably also includes a review every three or five years, as opposed to annually with the EU- Norway deal.
As David Henig points out, standards between the USA and the EU are contradictory, so if we choose one over the other we make the other trade deal inevitably worse.
I'm quite tempted to throw a tenner away on a 2021 General Election.
Edit scrub that a 2021 general election is possible if Boris completely screws up. I can't see even him screwing things up that badly though as Gove is watching over the important areas.
No that's not my reasoning. As I said, it's really too distasteful, and hopefully too ridiculous, to post.
R4 saying markets are rallying today on the back of co-ordinated "will take all actions necessary" statements from central banks around the world.
Haha. If only pandemics were so easy to control.
Dead cat springs to mind.
Perhaps - but there is an argument that the economic implications are overstated by the doom mongers.
If coronavirus proves controllable, then we could be back to normal within a matter of months; if not, we could also be back to some kind of normality within a matter of moths, as there will no longer be any point in massive lockdowns/quarantines.
And to put it brutally, most of the active workforce will be far less affected than the retired.
Central banks acting to prevent liquidity crises in a co-ordinated manner is simply common sense.
There is an argument but not one I would agree with.
But I am increasingly of the view the government is going to try a strategy of no lock down. But it might however get dragged into one because the consequences of its decision would be so severe. By then it would be too late to reap many of the benefits whilst it will still accrue all the costs. Probably the most important decision any government has made in a generation.
It's going to be a brutal few months. Let's hope it passes quickly. God bless all those working in health care.
I don't disagree.
How we get through this depends to some extent on how pragmatic and foresighted the government turn out to be. They do have the advantage of more preparation time than many countries, the chance to learn from others' mistakes, and a decent nationwide public health administration.
A “pragmatic and foresighted” government would not be refusing to co-operate with its nearest neighbours or overruling the views of health experts on the need for such co-operation simply for ideological reasons.
A “pragmatic and foresighted” government would not risk the health of its citizens because it cares more about making a point about “red lines”.
This is malevolence by the government. It is despicable.
I can see this Government turning into John Major/Gordon Brown Government 2.0 by the end and being deeply unpopular but there won't be an early GE.
I suppose in theory we might go back to having GEs every four years instead of every five.
I definitely foresee Labour leading in the polls at certain points, the Tory honeymoon won't last forever and they're surely nearly at their watermark in support now.
I'm quite tempted to throw a tenner away on a 2021 General Election.
But why?
For reasons that are really too distasteful, and hopefully too ridiculous, to post on here.
Boris's fidelity???
The Tories will dump Boris on his ear if he screws up (or screws around). Ask one Mrs May of Maidenhead what happens if you upset the 1922.
I don’t see how it ends with an immediate election though, short of signing up to rejoin the EU there’s nothing that’s going to cause 40 Tory MPs to cross the floor - remembering that every single floor-crosser in the last Parliament lost their seat in the subsequent election!
I'm quite tempted to throw a tenner away on a 2021 General Election.
But why?
For reasons that are really too distasteful, and hopefully too ridiculous, to post on here.
Boris's fidelity???
The Tories will dump Boris on his ear if he screws up (or screws around). Ask one Mrs May of Maidenhead what happens if you upset the 1922.
I don’t see how it ends with an immediate election though, short of signing up to rejoin the EU there’s nothing that’s going to cause 40 Tory MPs to cross the floor - remembering that every single floor-crosser in the last Parliament lost their seat in the subsequent election!
I'm quite tempted to throw a tenner away on a 2021 General Election.
But why?
For reasons that are really too distasteful, and hopefully too ridiculous, to post on here.
Boris's fidelity???
The Tories will dump Boris on his ear if he screws up (or screws around). Ask one Mrs May of Maidenhead what happens if you upset the 1922.
I don’t see how it ends with an immediate election though, short of signing up to rejoin the EU there’s nothing that’s going to cause 40 Tory MPs to cross the floor - remembering that every single floor-crosser in the last Parliament lost their seat in the subsequent election!
I'm quite tempted to throw a tenner away on a 2021 General Election.
Edit scrub that a 2021 general election is possible if Boris completely screws up. I can't see even him screwing things up that badly though as Gove is watching over the important areas.
No that's not my reasoning. As I said, it's really too distasteful, and hopefully too ridiculous, to post.
I'm quite tempted to throw a tenner away on a 2021 General Election.
But why?
For reasons that are really too distasteful, and hopefully too ridiculous, to post on here.
Boris's fidelity???
The Tories will dump Boris on his ear if he screws up (or screws around). Ask one Mrs May of Maidenhead what happens if you upset the 1922.
I don’t see how it ends with an immediate election though, short of signing up to rejoin the EU there’s nothing that’s going to cause 40 Tory MPs to cross the floor - remembering that every single floor-crosser in the last Parliament lost their seat in the subsequent election!
But cheating on an expectant mother may be too much, even for ardent johnsophiles. Imagine defending that over the media storm you'll be taken down with the ship.
I'm quite tempted to throw a tenner away on a 2021 General Election.
Edit scrub that a 2021 general election is possible if Boris completely screws up. I can't see even him screwing things up that badly though as Gove is watching over the important areas.
No that's not my reasoning. As I said, it's really too distasteful, and hopefully too ridiculous, to post.
Get Eadric to post it?
Yeah, well I think he would get where I'm coming from.
Did you see the French fisherman are threatening a blockade of the channel ports if no deal is done on access to UK waters ?
A significant and credible (and disgraceful) threat.
Nevertheless as the article says - and has been obvious from the start to those that care to look - our leverage is very limited, as without EU markets to sell our fish to (that Brits don't fancy to eat), our industry is done for anyway.
The UK’s leverage is that it one of the few areas that the EU really, really cares about.
I suspect that a compromise looks something like a percentage of fish caught in UK waters, roughly equal to that currently landed in the EU but destined for non-EU markets, needs to be landed in the UK. Probably also includes a review every three or five years, as opposed to annually with the EU- Norway deal.
I suspect it'll be a deal that leaves the 'control' apparently with us but with a starting point that reflects very much the current situation.
Good piece linked to above by the CER. Saying, in essence, that having caved once before, Boris will cave again to the EU and be able to sell it to his party and the British public who are either ignorant or don't care about the issues.
Interesting the differences in results. While STV is the theoretically best system, Ams is the most likely one to be adopted if the UK ever does switch to PR. It could potentially happen if 2024 results in a hung parliament. Unlike in 2010 when Labour were basically done with government, a Labour Party in 2024 would be much more willing to implement PR with Lib Dems to get into government.
If the Tories win 2024, its more likely that Labour would win in 2029 with a majority and so PR once again off the table.
Would the SNP be in favour of PR though? I’d say not, on the numbers.
They've always said they back it on principle despite it being a negative for them in seat terms. I think they would struggle to justify vetoing any incoming non tory government over something like PR, especially as AMS is already used in the Scottish Parliament.
I'm quite tempted to throw a tenner away on a 2021 General Election.
Edit scrub that a 2021 general election is possible if Boris completely screws up. I can't see even him screwing things up that badly though as Gove is watching over the important areas.
No that's not my reasoning. As I said, it's really too distasteful, and hopefully too ridiculous, to post.
Get Eadric to post it?
Yeah, well I think he would get where I'm coming from.
Presumably your scenario involves the virus wiping out the Tory majority. I can't see it, personally. Tory MPs don't tend to be old like they were in the 1990s.
Interesting the differences in results. While STV is the theoretically best system, Ams is the most likely one to be adopted if the UK ever does switch to PR. It could potentially happen if 2024 results in a hung parliament. Unlike in 2010 when Labour were basically done with government, a Labour Party in 2024 would be much more willing to implement PR with Lib Dems to get into government.
If the Tories win 2024, its more likely that Labour would win in 2029 with a majority and so PR once again off the table.
Would the SNP be in favour of PR though? I’d say not, on the numbers.
It would also likely have to have a referendum to confirm.
As the figures suggest the biggest winners from PR would be the LDs, followed by the Greens and Brexit Party, the biggest losers the Tories and SNP.
Labour would benefit under STV but lose out under AMS
It probably should have a referendum but I'm not sure it would. It would be very easy to say something along the lines of "the country has had enough of divisive referendums, let's just implement the policy and get on with it".
I'm quite tempted to throw a tenner away on a 2021 General Election.
But why?
For reasons that are really too distasteful, and hopefully too ridiculous, to post on here.
Boris's fidelity???
There was that Pádraig Belton tweet that no one believed because C. Symonds wasn't thought to be pregnant but now.....
If there is anything that is a racing certainty it's that Johnson is going to fuck around on FLOTUK. The only question is whether she is so besmitten with the trappings of office that she'll cave it all in or put up with it.
I'm quite tempted to throw a tenner away on a 2021 General Election.
Edit scrub that a 2021 general election is possible if Boris completely screws up. I can't see even him screwing things up that badly though as Gove is watching over the important areas.
No that's not my reasoning. As I said, it's really too distasteful, and hopefully too ridiculous, to post.
Get Eadric to post it?
Yeah, well I think he would get where I'm coming from.
Talking about Eadric - how will his sockie master cope without his monthly exotic travel fix?
I'm quite tempted to throw a tenner away on a 2021 General Election.
Edit scrub that a 2021 general election is possible if Boris completely screws up. I can't see even him screwing things up that badly though as Gove is watching over the important areas.
No that's not my reasoning. As I said, it's really too distasteful, and hopefully too ridiculous, to post.
Get Eadric to post it?
Yeah, well I think he would get where I'm coming from.
Presumably your scenario involves the virus wiping out the Tory majority. I can't see it, personally. Tory MPs don't tend to be old like they were in the 1990s.
Doing some rough number crunching, on the published age band mortality rates (which are also estimates for now), you would expect only a one in four chance of even a single MP under the age of 40 (out of the 116 in the Commons) succumbing to the virus.
Perhaps one death out of the 190 MPs aged between 40 and 49; two to three of the 197 MPs between 50 and 59... and maybe six out of the remaining 142 aged over 60.
Democracy is unlikely to be overturned - and that is assuming a 100% infection rate.
R4 saying markets are rallying today on the back of co-ordinated "will take all actions necessary" statements from central banks around the world.
Haha. If only pandemics were so easy to control.
Dead cat springs to mind.
Perhaps - but there is an argument that the economic implications are overstated by the doom mongers.
If coronavirus proves controllable, then we could be back to normal within a matter of months; if not, we could also be back to some kind of normality within a matter of moths, as there will no longer be any point in massive lockdowns/quarantines.
And to put it brutally, most of the active workforce will be far less affected than the retired.
Central banks acting to prevent liquidity crises in a co-ordinated manner is simply common sense.
There is an argument but not one I would agree with.
But I am increasingly of the view the government is going to try a strategy of no lock down. But it might however get dragged into one because the consequences of its decision would be so severe. By then it would be too late to reap many of the benefits whilst it will still accrue all the costs. Probably the most important decision any government has made in a generation.
It's going to be a brutal few months. Let's hope it passes quickly. God bless all those working in health care.
I don't disagree.
How we get through this depends to some extent on how pragmatic and foresighted the government turn out to be. They do have the advantage of more preparation time than many countries, the chance to learn from others' mistakes, and a decent nationwide public health administration.
A “pragmatic and foresighted” government would not be refusing to co-operate with its nearest neighbours or overruling the views of health experts on the need for such co-operation simply for ideological reasons.
A “pragmatic and foresighted” government would not risk the health of its citizens because it cares more about making a point about “red lines”.
This is malevolence by the government. It is despicable.
I don't for a moment disagree. But unlike (for example) the US, we do have public health systems and institutions in place capable of providing sensible and timely advice to government.
Even the current bunch in power have some chance of making a decent fist of it.
"One of the reasons why Bernie Sanders was doing so well was that he was completely dominating the primaries as the candidate for the progressive wing of the party while the centrist vote was split between Biden, Buttigieg , and Klobuchar."
For what it's worth, a Morning Consult poll has/had the Buttigieg vote split quite evenly between Sanders, Biden, Warren and Bloomberg. Many preferences come down to name recognition rather than to 'ideology' and so on. If Biden outperforms expectations tomorrow then it would probably be more down to post-South Carolina momentum rather than to Buttgieg's withdrawal.
I'm quite tempted to throw a tenner away on a 2021 General Election.
But why?
For reasons that are really too distasteful, and hopefully too ridiculous, to post on here.
Boris's fidelity???
There was that Pádraig Belton tweet that no one believed because C. Symonds wasn't thought to be pregnant but now.....
If there is anything that is a racing certainty it's that Johnson is going to fuck around on FLOTUK. The only question is whether she is so besmitten with the trappings of office that she'll cave it all in or put up with it.
She knows what his track record is. She had no scruples about having an affair with a married man. So she is hardly in a position to complain if he does to her what he has done to his other lovers.
Is there any reason I'm missing why 2yr US bonds isn't quite a safe place to be parking money right now? Fed is gonna have to buy the front of the curve to get things moving and drive it right down to zero yield aren't they?
Is there any reason I'm missing why 2yr US bonds isn't quite a safe place to be parking money right now? Fed is gonna have to buy the front of the curve to get things moving and drive it right down to zero yield aren't they?
Can you really try to out stimulate a supply side crisis?
I'm quite tempted to throw a tenner away on a 2021 General Election.
Edit scrub that a 2021 general election is possible if Boris completely screws up. I can't see even him screwing things up that badly though as Gove is watching over the important areas.
No that's not my reasoning. As I said, it's really too distasteful, and hopefully too ridiculous, to post.
Get Eadric to post it?
Yeah, well I think he would get where I'm coming from.
Presumably your scenario involves the virus wiping out the Tory majority. I can't see it, personally. Tory MPs don't tend to be old like they were in the 1990s.
Doing some rough number crunching, on the published age band mortality rates (which are also estimates for now), you would expect only a one in four chance of even a single MP under the age of 40 (out of the 116 in the Commons) succumbing to the virus.
Perhaps one death out of the 190 MPs aged between 40 and 49; two to three of the 197 MPs between 50 and 59... and maybe six out of the remaining 142 aged over 60.
Democracy is unlikely to be overturned - and that is assuming a 100% infection rate.
(note for pedants: there seem to be 5 MPs for whom the commons website does not give age statistics. That does not materially effect the numbers.)
But cheating on an expectant mother may be too much, even for ardent johnsophiles. Imagine defending that over the media storm you'll be taken down with the ship.
That could very well bring him down. I have no inside track on it, my sources have no access to those parts, but I do detect a whiff of sleaze in the pipeline. It's that sort of government. I would be astonished if there is not an absolute humdinger of a scandal before the summer.
I'm quite tempted to throw a tenner away on a 2021 General Election.
But why?
For reasons that are really too distasteful, and hopefully too ridiculous, to post on here.
Boris's fidelity???
There was that Pádraig Belton tweet that no one believed because C. Symonds wasn't thought to be pregnant but now.....
If there is anything that is a racing certainty it's that Johnson is going to fuck around on FLOTUK. The only question is whether she is so besmitten with the trappings of office that she'll cave it all in or put up with it.
She knows what his track record is. She had no scruples about having an affair with a married man. So she is hardly in a position to complain if he does to her what he has done to his other lovers.
Love is blind, and lovers cannot see, The pretty follies, that they themselves commit...
She wouldn't be the first woman to believe that it is different this time.
I'm quite tempted to throw a tenner away on a 2021 General Election.
Edit scrub that a 2021 general election is possible if Boris completely screws up. I can't see even him screwing things up that badly though as Gove is watching over the important areas.
No that's not my reasoning. As I said, it's really too distasteful, and hopefully too ridiculous, to post.
Get Eadric to post it?
Yeah, well I think he would get where I'm coming from.
Presumably your scenario involves the virus wiping out the Tory majority. I can't see it, personally. Tory MPs don't tend to be old like they were in the 1990s.
Doing some rough number crunching, on the published age band mortality rates (which are also estimates for now), you would expect only a one in four chance of even a single MP under the age of 40 (out of the 116 in the Commons) succumbing to the virus.
Perhaps one death out of the 190 MPs aged between 40 and 49; two to three of the 197 MPs between 50 and 59... and maybe six out of the remaining 142 aged over 60.
Democracy is unlikely to be overturned - and that is assuming a 100% infection rate.
The first cough within the HoC would empty it faster than the end of PMQs.
By the sounds of it, the government is going to demand school teachers to 'teach' classes of up to 60. Meanwhile I am sure they will be quick to prorogue parliament because of the risk of infection.
I'm quite tempted to throw a tenner away on a 2021 General Election.
Edit scrub that a 2021 general election is possible if Boris completely screws up. I can't see even him screwing things up that badly though as Gove is watching over the important areas.
No that's not my reasoning. As I said, it's really too distasteful, and hopefully too ridiculous, to post.
Get Eadric to post it?
Yeah, well I think he would get where I'm coming from.
Presumably your scenario involves the virus wiping out the Tory majority. I can't see it, personally. Tory MPs don't tend to be old like they were in the 1990s.
Doing some rough number crunching, on the published age band mortality rates (which are also estimates for now), you would expect only a one in four chance of even a single MP under the age of 40 (out of the 116 in the Commons) succumbing to the virus.
Perhaps one death out of the 190 MPs aged between 40 and 49; two to three of the 197 MPs between 50 and 59... and maybe six out of the remaining 142 aged over 60.
Democracy is unlikely to be overturned - and that is assuming a 100% infection rate.
In any case, assuming the virus did somehow cause such damage , that would imply a scenario so bad it would be more likely to lead to a National government than an early election.
I'm quite tempted to throw a tenner away on a 2021 General Election.
But why?
For reasons that are really too distasteful, and hopefully too ridiculous, to post on here.
Boris's fidelity???
There was that Pádraig Belton tweet that no one believed because C. Symonds wasn't thought to be pregnant but now.....
If there is anything that is a racing certainty it's that Johnson is going to fuck around on FLOTUK. The only question is whether she is so besmitten with the trappings of office that she'll cave it all in or put up with it.
She knows what his track record is. She had no scruples about having an affair with a married man. So she is hardly in a position to complain if he does to her what he has done to his other lovers.
It is now strong odds on that there WILL be a recession in the US this year. That is a big market move over the weekend. If so, perhaps the Dow remains a strong sell. Its fall last week only took it back to where it was a few months ago. How about it tests 20,000 at some point in the near future?
Rather than back Bernie for the Nom at 2.04, is it not better to back "no contested convention" at 2.4? Rationale: Bernie will not win a contested convention and thus will only get the Nom with an outright majority.
Interesting the differences in results. While STV is the theoretically best system, Ams is the most likely one to be adopted if the UK ever does switch to PR. It could potentially happen if 2024 results in a hung parliament. Unlike in 2010 when Labour were basically done with government, a Labour Party in 2024 would be much more willing to implement PR with Lib Dems to get into government.
If the Tories win 2024, its more likely that Labour would win in 2029 with a majority and so PR once again off the table.
Would the SNP be in favour of PR though? I’d say not, on the numbers.
They've always said they back it on principle despite it being a negative for them in seat terms. I think they would struggle to justify vetoing any incoming non tory government over something like PR, especially as AMS is already used in the Scottish Parliament.
It would be interesting to see the difference between theory and practice. Not many MPs are principled enough to vote themselves out of a job.
Further evidence that FPTP fails to give people the parliament that people voted for. It's not fit for purpose but the "winners" will always seek ways to justify it.
It's quite a sobering thought that the Brexit we are going to get will come about courtesy of FPTP rather than courtesy of how people voted
Authorities in China have closed the first of 16 hospitals specially built in Wuhan to tackle the coronavirus epidemic, the Chinese state broadcaster CCTV has said. According to Reuters:
News of the closure coincided with a sharp fall in new cases in Hubei province and its capital of Wuhan but China remained on alert for people returning home with the virus from other countries where it has spread.
“The rapid rising trend of virus cases in Wuhan has been controlled,” Mi Feng, a spokesman for China’s National Health Commission told a briefing.
“Outbreaks in Hubei outside of Wuhan are curbed and provinces outside of Hubei are showing a positive trend.”
The virus emerged in Wuhan late last year and has since infected more than 86,500 people, the majority in China, with most in Hubei.
************************************************* The lockdown seems to be working very well in China.
At the very end we will be able to see which countries got their policies right for this and which were just too decadent.
It is now strong odds on that there WILL be a recession in the US this year. That is a big market move over the weekend. If so, perhaps the Dow remains a strong sell. Its fall last week only took it back to where it was a few months ago. How about it tests 20,000 at some point in the near future?
Rather than back Bernie for the Nom at 2.04, is it not better to back "no contested convention" at 2.4? Rationale: Bernie will not win a contested convention and thus will only get the Nom with an outright majority.
Sanders will win a contested convention if he's able to get over the line with Warren.
I'm quite tempted to throw a tenner away on a 2021 General Election.
Edit scrub that a 2021 general election is possible if Boris completely screws up. I can't see even him screwing things up that badly though as Gove is watching over the important areas.
No that's not my reasoning. As I said, it's really too distasteful, and hopefully too ridiculous, to post.
Get Eadric to post it?
Yeah, well I think he would get where I'm coming from.
Presumably your scenario involves the virus wiping out the Tory majority. I can't see it, personally. Tory MPs don't tend to be old like they were in the 1990s.
Doing some rough number crunching, on the published age band mortality rates (which are also estimates for now), you would expect only a one in four chance of even a single MP under the age of 40 (out of the 116 in the Commons) succumbing to the virus.
Perhaps one death out of the 190 MPs aged between 40 and 49; two to three of the 197 MPs between 50 and 59... and maybe six out of the remaining 142 aged over 60.
Democracy is unlikely to be overturned - and that is assuming a 100% infection rate.
The mean age of the House of Lords is about 70. If Corona is to clear out a chamber then the upper house is more likely.
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It’s a hold for me.
By contrast there’s been none with Sanders so he’s appealing directly over his head to his voters.
How we get through this depends to some extent on how pragmatic and foresighted the government turn out to be.
They do have the advantage of more preparation time than many countries, the chance to learn from others' mistakes, and a decent nationwide public health administration.
(Note both use "historic".)
https://twitter.com/SamuelMarcLowe/status/1234382237463912449
Who else stands a chance, ‘cos there’s 10% missing?
https://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/2019-General-Election-Report.pdf
A significant and credible (and disgraceful) threat.
If the Tories win 2024, its more likely that Labour would win in 2029 with a majority and so PR once again off the table.
Mildly surprised that Perez is shorter than Sainz (Norris same as Sainz, Stroll longer).
"The UK remains the only democracy in Europe to
use First Past the Post (FPTP) to elect its MPs",
but they then go on to completely ignore the form of PR used in Europe's largest democracy (ignoring Russia)
Potentially important for contested convention - Biden way out in front amongst the great and the good.
https://twitter.com/clarkemicah/status/1234409037556568064?s=21
As the figures suggest the biggest winners from PR would be the LDs, followed by the Greens and Brexit Party, the biggest losers the Tories and SNP.
Labour would benefit under STV but lose out under AMS
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-buttigieg-dropping-out-isnt-good-for-sanders/
There was that Pádraig Belton tweet that no one believed because C. Symonds wasn't thought to be pregnant but now.....
I suspect that a compromise looks something like a percentage of fish caught in UK waters, roughly equal to that currently landed in the EU but destined for non-EU markets, needs to be landed in the UK. Probably also includes a review every three or five years, as opposed to annually with the EU- Norway deal.
I think we'll end up going with the EU.
A “pragmatic and foresighted” government would not risk the health of its citizens because it cares more about making a point about “red lines”.
This is malevolence by the government. It is despicable.
I suppose in theory we might go back to having GEs every four years instead of every five.
I definitely foresee Labour leading in the polls at certain points, the Tory honeymoon won't last forever and they're surely nearly at their watermark in support now.
I don’t see how it ends with an immediate election though, short of signing up to rejoin the EU there’s nothing that’s going to cause 40 Tory MPs to cross the floor - remembering that every single floor-crosser in the last Parliament lost their seat in the subsequent election!
Anyway you can 33/1 on it with Ladbrokes.
Let's get back to some sensible betting
Perhaps one death out of the 190 MPs aged between 40 and 49;
two to three of the 197 MPs between 50 and 59...
and maybe six out of the remaining 142 aged over 60.
Democracy is unlikely to be overturned - and that is assuming a 100% infection rate.
Even the current bunch in power have some chance of making a decent fist of it.
For what it's worth, a Morning Consult poll has/had the Buttigieg vote split quite evenly between Sanders, Biden, Warren and Bloomberg. Many preferences come down to name recognition rather than to 'ideology' and so on. If Biden outperforms expectations tomorrow then it would probably be more down to post-South Carolina momentum rather than to Buttgieg's withdrawal.
The pretty follies, that they themselves commit...
She wouldn't be the first woman to believe that it is different this time.
By the sounds of it, the government is going to demand school teachers to 'teach' classes of up to 60. Meanwhile I am sure they will be quick to prorogue parliament because of the risk of infection.
Them and Us.
It is now strong odds on that there WILL be a recession in the US this year. That is a big market move over the weekend. If so, perhaps the Dow remains a strong sell. Its fall last week only took it back to where it was a few months ago. How about it tests 20,000 at some point in the near future?
Rather than back Bernie for the Nom at 2.04, is it not better to back "no contested convention" at 2.4? Rationale: Bernie will not win a contested convention and thus will only get the Nom with an outright majority.
It's quite a sobering thought that the Brexit we are going to get will come about courtesy of FPTP rather than courtesy of how people voted
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
Authorities in China have closed the first of 16 hospitals specially built in Wuhan to tackle the coronavirus epidemic, the Chinese state broadcaster CCTV has said. According to Reuters:
News of the closure coincided with a sharp fall in new cases in Hubei province and its capital of Wuhan but China remained on alert for people returning home with the virus from other countries where it has spread.
“The rapid rising trend of virus cases in Wuhan has been controlled,” Mi Feng, a spokesman for China’s National Health Commission told a briefing.
“Outbreaks in Hubei outside of Wuhan are curbed and provinces outside of Hubei are showing a positive trend.”
The virus emerged in Wuhan late last year and has since infected more than 86,500 people, the majority in China, with most in Hubei.
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The lockdown seems to be working very well in China.
At the very end we will be able to see which countries got their policies right for this and which were just too decadent.