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  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,468

    Dura_Ace said:



    Does anyone contest that it's very hard to maintain a healthy vegan diet?

    Vegetarian, no problem - vegan, very hard to get all the required nutrients.

    Am I wrong?

    Yes, you're wrong. It's time consuming as one has to plan ahead and prepare almost every meal from scratch with fresh ingredients but it is, by no means, "very hard".

    I'm 52 and weigh the same as I did when I was 21. I highly doubt that would be the case if I were subscribing to the morally bankrupt religion of carnism.
    I'm older than you. I've lost 5kg and 4 cm off my waist in a year. I'm fitter, faster and lifting more in the gym than I was 10 years ago. Just walked my fitness test and BA Reacreditation when some half my age have struggled. As you say, food planning and prep is key, but by no means a problem. I just feel generally healthier, physically and mentally and as long as you keep off the processed meat substitutes it's cheap as well. The ethical side is a happy bonus too.
    Most diets are effective simply due to discipline. The rest is confirmation bias.

    And most vegans don't stay that way. They go back to a balanced diet. Due to (err) health reasons.
    Any fitness regime means underlying commitment and, as Mr TFS3 says discipline. Must confess I've not gone vegan, or indeed veggie, and TBH I've no intention of doing so, but we've always eaten fresh food. I go to the gym two or three times a week too and have done for several years now, and I'm certainly doing more there ...... weights, walking further and so on...... than I was when I started.
    There's a new stair climbing machine too, which is quite demanding...... and useful ...... for someone who lives in a bungalow
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,153
    rcs1000 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    MikeL said:

    Delegates after 3 States:

    Sanders 43
    Buttigieg 26
    Biden 13
    Warren 8
    Klobuchar 7

    So Sanders has 44% of delegates - not that far off 50%.

    (4 more delegates still to be awarded in Nevada).

    https://edition.cnn.com/election/2020/primaries-and-caucuses

    Sanders 45
    Buttigieg 26
    Biden 15

    Once they're all in.

    No delegates for Buttigieg from South Carolina methinks
    It's possible that Buttigieg will get to 15% in one of the CDs, which would net him a single delegate. But more likely after SC, it'll be 30-odd to Sanders and 20 to Biden.

    The reality continues to be that, unless we see multiple moderates leave the race between now and Super Tuesday, then Sanders is the nominee.
    And probably none will. Maybe Klobuchar.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,484

    Dura_Ace said:



    Does anyone contest that it's very hard to maintain a healthy vegan diet?

    Vegetarian, no problem - vegan, very hard to get all the required nutrients.

    Am I wrong?

    Yes, you're wrong. It's time consuming as one has to plan ahead and prepare almost every meal from scratch with fresh ingredients but it is, by no means, "very hard".

    I'm 52 and weigh the same as I did when I was 21. I highly doubt that would be the case if I were subscribing to the morally bankrupt religion of carnism.
    I'm older than you. I've lost 5kg and 4 cm off my waist in a year. I'm fitter, faster and lifting more in the gym than I was 10 years ago. Just walked my fitness test and BA Reacreditation when some half my age have struggled. As you say, food planning and prep is key, but by no means a problem. I just feel generally healthier, physically and mentally and as long as you keep off the processed meat substitutes it's cheap as well. The ethical side is a happy bonus too.
    Most diets are effective simply due to discipline. The rest is confirmation bias.

    And most vegans don't stay that way. They go back to a balanced diet. Due to (err) health reasons.
    Any fitness regime means underlying commitment and, as Mr TFS3 says discipline. Must confess I've not gone vegan, or indeed veggie, and TBH I've no intention of doing so, but we've always eaten fresh food. I go to the gym two or three times a week too and have done for several years now, and I'm certainly doing more there ...... weights, walking further and so on...... than I was when I started.
    There's a new stair climbing machine too, which is quite demanding...... and useful ...... for someone who lives in a bungalow
    Great work!
  • Dura_Ace said:



    Does anyone contest that it's very hard to maintain a healthy vegan diet?

    Vegetarian, no problem - vegan, very hard to get all the required nutrients.

    Am I wrong?

    Yes, you're wrong. It's time consuming as one has to plan ahead and prepare almost every meal from scratch with fresh ingredients but it is, by no means, "very hard".

    I'm 52 and weigh the same as I did when I was 21. I highly doubt that would be the case if I were subscribing to the morally bankrupt religion of carnism.
    I'm older than you. I've lost 5kg and 4 cm off my waist in a year. I'm fitter, faster and lifting more in the gym than I was 10 years ago. Just walked my fitness test and BA Reacreditation when some half my age have struggled. As you say, food planning and prep is key, but by no means a problem. I just feel generally healthier, physically and mentally and as long as you keep off the processed meat substitutes it's cheap as well. The ethical side is a happy bonus too.
    Most diets are effective simply due to discipline. The rest is confirmation bias.

    And most vegans don't stay that way. They go back to a balanced diet. Due to (err) health reasons.
    Any fitness regime means underlying commitment and, as Mr TFS3 says discipline. Must confess I've not gone vegan, or indeed veggie, and TBH I've no intention of doing so, but we've always eaten fresh food. I go to the gym two or three times a week too and have done for several years now, and I'm certainly doing more there ...... weights, walking further and so on...... than I was when I started.
    There's a new stair climbing machine too, which is quite demanding...... and useful ...... for someone who lives in a bungalow
    That sounds like a great regime.

    All I’m arguing for is a balanced diet and a bit of common sense.

    I don’t think there’s much room for ideology either way.
  • malcolmg said:

    Germans have good sense of humour............ hat tip to grousebeater

    https://twitter.com/Grouse_Beater/status/1232070779224895490/photo/1

    The EU are desperate for Scotland to leave.
  • Some people just can’t keep their hands off the Hillary Clinton tiller.

    After flying out to 60s yesterday, she’s back in to the 45s today.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    rcs1000 said:

    Charles said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    FPT,

    Worse even than Weinstein were the shocking allegations made by his daughter against Australian Labor politician Bob Hawke.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-50704179

    When raped by another Labor politician, his daughter was told by Bob "You can’t [go to the police]. I can’t have any controversies right now. I am sorry but I am challenging for the leadership of the Labor Party.”

    Whatever happened to the Labour woman whose rape claim was swept under the carpet a year or so back?
    Or the one where John Prescott’s son shat on the desk of a labour staffer who refused to sleep with him.
    Eeuugh!
    If you found that distasteful do not, I repeat do NOT google

    Sage Kelly New York Post
    There's a moral somewhere in that story...
    They were magic not morels
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    eadric said:

    DavidL said:

    eadric said:

    Alistair said:

    FF43 said:

    Nicola Sturgeon does sound quite fed up. If she's no longer interested, it's probably a bad sign.

    Broken.

    By.

    Boris.
    Boris seems to be doing Nicola's bidding at the moment. He should have agreed to have an immediate referendum. It would have destroyed the SNP.
    Even if that were true, and it isn’t, it’s practically impossible for the UK govt to allow a Scottish referendum while negox are ongoing with the EU about Brexit.

    For instance, the EU would rightly say, Do these Fisheries agreements apply to Scottish waters given that Scotland may be independent in ten weeks? What could the UK say?

    There won’t be an indyref 2 until the late 2020s, at the earliest
    Not sure about that although I would like it to be true. If the SNP and their little green helpers win a majority in the Scottish elections on a manifesto of a second referendum I really don't see how Boris continues to say no, certainly for not more than a year.

    Still a long haul for Nicola though. May next year for the election, then the inevitable haggling, then the campaign. If the SNP win I think it will be in 2022 or 2023. Of course without Nicola they might find it a lot harder to win that majority. Without it its just not happening.
    You don’t get Boris. He’s just gonna say No. London has learned from Madrid (minus the soldiers and truncheons). You have to be tough on secessionists.
    He’s not being tough, he’s being fair

    The question was asked and answered

    You don’t get a do-over

    The Spanish are just thugs
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    isam said:

    I mentioned this was happening in Newham last week, and PB was 100% positive about it. Would be a shame if it only started being bad now it’s the SNP
    Honestly I don’t see the problem

    If he was performing is act to the children that would be wrong

    But he’s reading to them for goodness sake. Kids benefit from being read to. Just because someone is a performer who’s act isn’t to everyone’s taste that doesn’t exclude him from making a contribution to society in other ways
  • Good morning, everyone.

    Surely the smart bet is to put money on the most SNP figure whose surname is a type of fish?
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    DavidL said:

    eadric said:

    Alistair said:

    FF43 said:

    Nicola Sturgeon does sound quite fed up. If she's no longer interested, it's probably a bad sign.

    Broken.

    By.

    Boris.
    Boris seems to be doing Nicola's bidding at the moment. He should have agreed to have an immediate referendum. It would have destroyed the SNP.
    Even if that were true, and it isn’t, it’s practically impossible for the UK govt to allow a Scottish referendum while negox are ongoing with the EU about Brexit.

    For instance, the EU would rightly say, Do these Fisheries agreements apply to Scottish waters given that Scotland may be independent in ten weeks? What could the UK say?

    There won’t be an indyref 2 until the late 2020s, at the earliest
    Not sure about that although I would like it to be true. If the SNP and their little green helpers win a majority in the Scottish elections on a manifesto of a second referendum I really don't see how Boris continues to say no, certainly for not more than a year.

    Still a long haul for Nicola though. May next year for the election, then the inevitable haggling, then the campaign. If the SNP win I think it will be in 2022 or 2023. Of course without Nicola they might find it a lot harder to win that majority. Without it its just not happening.
    He says "no", the SNP moan about it, then what?

    The SNP aren't prepared to UDI or hold an illegal referendum and the generation quote gives him a figleaf to say no and move on.
    Yip, Boris says no, the SNP shut up and Boris rules gloriously for a few decades... Or not.

    I would certainly not venture to guess how far the SNP would go in pursuit of their dream of an independent panacea.

    At the VERY minimum they could; test out the case for ref 2 in court (who knows what would happen), win Hollyrood 2021 (likely), withdraw all their MPs and MSPs triggering a constitutional crisis as Scotland wouldn't have a government, use mass resignations and by election's as a perfectly legal 'indicatory' referendum.

    And that's just off the top of my head. We're in for a bumpy ride.
    If they don’t sit in Holyrood the next largest party forms the government
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Cyclefree said:

    So here’s an interesting counter-factual.

    Weinstein was’t good-looking or particularly simpatico.

    If the allegations had been made against a popular, youngish, good-looking actor, would they have been taken as seriously and would people have been so unanimously on the side of the women?

    No.
    Also the actor wouldn’t have been in a position of power like Weinstein.

    Ultimately this is about abuse of power
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,864
    Charles said:

    eadric said:

    DavidL said:

    eadric said:

    Alistair said:

    FF43 said:

    Nicola Sturgeon does sound quite fed up. If she's no longer interested, it's probably a bad sign.

    Broken.

    By.

    Boris.
    Boris seems to be doing Nicola's bidding at the moment. He should have agreed to have an immediate referendum. It would have destroyed the SNP.
    Even if that were true, and it isn’t, it’s practically impossible for the UK govt to allow a Scottish referendum while negox are ongoing with the EU about Brexit.

    For instance, the EU would rightly say, Do these Fisheries agreements apply to Scottish waters given that Scotland may be independent in ten weeks? What could the UK say?

    There won’t be an indyref 2 until the late 2020s, at the earliest
    Not sure about that although I would like it to be true. If the SNP and their little green helpers win a majority in the Scottish elections on a manifesto of a second referendum I really don't see how Boris continues to say no, certainly for not more than a year.

    Still a long haul for Nicola though. May next year for the election, then the inevitable haggling, then the campaign. If the SNP win I think it will be in 2022 or 2023. Of course without Nicola they might find it a lot harder to win that majority. Without it its just not happening.
    You don’t get Boris. He’s just gonna say No. London has learned from Madrid (minus the soldiers and truncheons). You have to be tough on secessionists.
    He’s not being tough, he’s being fair

    The question was asked and answered

    You don’t get a do-over

    The Spanish are just thugs
    If a majority of the Scottish people vote for parties committed to a referendum in 2021 then they are entitled to a "do-over" regardless of what any politician might have said at the time. It is a decision for the Scottish people, not the SNP or Boris. I of course will be doing my modest bit to stop that from happening but ignoring such a vote isn't tough, its undemocratic, stupid and damaging.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    DavidL said:

    Charles said:

    eadric said:

    DavidL said:

    eadric said:

    Alistair said:

    FF43 said:

    Nicola Sturgeon does sound quite fed up. If she's no longer interested, it's probably a bad sign.

    Broken.

    By.

    Boris.
    Boris seems to be doing Nicola's bidding at the moment. He should have agreed to have an immediate referendum. It would have destroyed the SNP.
    Even if that were true, and it isn’t, it’s practically impossible for the UK govt to allow a Scottish referendum while negox are ongoing with the EU about Brexit.

    For instance, the EU would rightly say, Do these Fisheries agreements apply to Scottish waters given that Scotland may be independent in ten weeks? What could the UK say?

    There won’t be an indyref 2 until the late 2020s, at the earliest
    Not sure about that although I would like it to be true. If the SNP and their little green helpers win a majority in the Scottish elections on a manifesto of a second referendum I really don't see how Boris continues to say no, certainly for not more than a year.

    Still a long haul for Nicola though. May next year for the election, then the inevitable haggling, then the campaign. If the SNP win I think it will be in 2022 or 2023. Of course without Nicola they might find it a lot harder to win that majority. Without it its just not happening.
    You don’t get Boris. He’s just gonna say No. London has learned from Madrid (minus the soldiers and truncheons). You have to be tough on secessionists.
    He’s not being tough, he’s being fair

    The question was asked and answered

    You don’t get a do-over

    The Spanish are just thugs
    If a majority of the Scottish people vote for parties committed to a referendum in 2021 then they are entitled to a "do-over" regardless of what any politician might have said at the time. It is a decision for the Scottish people, not the SNP or Boris. I of course will be doing my modest bit to stop that from happening but ignoring such a vote isn't tough, its undemocratic, stupid and damaging.
    It’s a decision for Westminster. There are plenty of reasons for voting SNP that are not about independence
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424
    Charles said:

    DavidL said:

    Charles said:

    eadric said:

    DavidL said:

    eadric said:

    Alistair said:

    FF43 said:

    Nicola Sturgeon does sound quite fed up. If she's no longer interested, it's probably a bad sign.

    Broken.

    By.

    Boris.
    Boris seems to be doing Nicola's bidding at the moment. He should have agreed to have an immediate referendum. It would have destroyed the SNP.
    Even if that were true, and it isn’t, it’s practically impossible for the UK govt to allow a Scottish referendum while negox are ongoing with the EU about Brexit.

    For instance, the EU would rightly say, Do these Fisheries agreements apply to Scottish waters given that Scotland may be independent in ten weeks? What could the UK say?

    There won’t be an indyref 2 until the late 2020s, at the earliest
    Not sure about that although I would like it to be true. If the SNP and their little green helpers win a majority in the Scottish elections on a manifesto of a second referendum I really don't see how Boris continues to say no, certainly for not more than a year.

    Still a long haul for Nicola though. May next year for the election, then the inevitable haggling, then the campaign. If the SNP win I think it will be in 2022 or 2023. Of course without Nicola they might find it a lot harder to win that majority. Without it its just not happening.
    You don’t get Boris. He’s just gonna say No. London has learned from Madrid (minus the soldiers and truncheons). You have to be tough on secessionists.
    He’s not being tough, he’s being fair

    The question was asked and answered

    You don’t get a do-over

    The Spanish are just thugs
    If a majority of the Scottish people vote for parties committed to a referendum in 2021 then they are entitled to a "do-over" regardless of what any politician might have said at the time. It is a decision for the Scottish people, not the SNP or Boris. I of course will be doing my modest bit to stop that from happening but ignoring such a vote isn't tough, its undemocratic, stupid and damaging.
    It’s a decision for Westminster. There are plenty of reasons for voting SNP that are not about independence
    You mean, like their awesome track record of competence on transport, education and healthcare?
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468
    edited February 2020
    Charles said:

    DavidL said:

    Charles said:

    eadric said:

    DavidL said:

    eadric said:

    Alistair said:

    FF43 said:

    Nicola Sturgeon does sound quite fed up. If she's no longer interested, it's probably a bad sign.

    Broken.

    By.

    Boris.
    Boris seems to be doing Nicola's bidding at the moment. He should have agreed to have an immediate referendum. It would have destroyed the SNP.
    Even if that were true, and it isn’t, it’s practically impossible for the UK govt to allow a Scottish referendum while negox are ongoing with the EU about Brexit.

    For instance, the EU would rightly say, Do these Fisheries agreements apply to Scottish waters given that Scotland may be independent in ten weeks? What could the UK say?

    There won’t be an indyref 2 until the late 2020s, at the earliest
    Not sure about that although I would like it to be true. If the SNP and their little green helpers win a majority in the Scottish elections on a manifesto of a second referendum I really don't see how Boris continues to say no, certainly for not more than a year.

    Still a long haul for Nicola though. May next year for the election, then the inevitable haggling, then the campaign. If the SNP win I think it will be in 2022 or 2023. Of course without Nicola they might find it a lot harder to win that majority. Without it its just not happening.
    You don’t get Boris. He’s just gonna say No. London has learned from Madrid (minus the soldiers and truncheons). You have to be tough on secessionists.
    He’s not being tough, he’s being fair

    The question was asked and answered

    You don’t get a do-over

    The Spanish are just thugs
    If a majority of the Scottish people vote for parties committed to a referendum in 2021 then they are entitled to a "do-over" regardless of what any politician might have said at the time. It is a decision for the Scottish people, not the SNP or Boris. I of course will be doing my modest bit to stop that from happening but ignoring such a vote isn't tough, its undemocratic, stupid and damaging.
    It’s a decision for Westminster. There are plenty of reasons for voting SNP that are not about independence
    Plenty of reasons to vote Tory that are not about Brexit...
  • Charles said:

    DavidL said:

    eadric said:

    Alistair said:

    FF43 said:

    Nicola Sturgeon does sound quite fed up. If she's no longer interested, it's probably a bad sign.

    Broken.

    By.

    Boris.
    Boris seems to be doing Nicola's bidding at the moment. He should have agreed to have an immediate referendum. It would have destroyed the SNP.
    Even if that were true, and it isn’t, it’s practically impossible for the UK govt to allow a Scottish referendum while negox are ongoing with the EU about Brexit.

    For instance, the EU would rightly say, Do these Fisheries agreements apply to Scottish waters given that Scotland may be independent in ten weeks? What could the UK say?

    There won’t be an indyref 2 until the late 2020s, at the earliest
    Not sure about that although I would like it to be true. If the SNP and their little green helpers win a majority in the Scottish elections on a manifesto of a second referendum I really don't see how Boris continues to say no, certainly for not more than a year.

    Still a long haul for Nicola though. May next year for the election, then the inevitable haggling, then the campaign. If the SNP win I think it will be in 2022 or 2023. Of course without Nicola they might find it a lot harder to win that majority. Without it its just not happening.
    He says "no", the SNP moan about it, then what?

    The SNP aren't prepared to UDI or hold an illegal referendum and the generation quote gives him a figleaf to say no and move on.
    Yip, Boris says no, the SNP shut up and Boris rules gloriously for a few decades... Or not.

    I would certainly not venture to guess how far the SNP would go in pursuit of their dream of an independent panacea.

    At the VERY minimum they could; test out the case for ref 2 in court (who knows what would happen), win Hollyrood 2021 (likely), withdraw all their MPs and MSPs triggering a constitutional crisis as Scotland wouldn't have a government, use mass resignations and by election's as a perfectly legal 'indicatory' referendum.

    And that's just off the top of my head. We're in for a bumpy ride.
    If they don’t sit in Holyrood the next largest party forms the government
    How long do you think such a government could sustain itself, and how credible would any legislation passed by that government be (though given the diaphanous nature of SCon policies that may be a moot point)?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,864
    Charles said:

    DavidL said:

    Charles said:

    eadric said:

    DavidL said:

    eadric said:

    Alistair said:

    FF43 said:

    Nicola Sturgeon does sound quite fed up. If she's no longer interested, it's probably a bad sign.

    Broken.

    By.

    Boris.
    Boris seems to be doing Nicola's bidding at the moment. He should have agreed to have an immediate referendum. It would have destroyed the SNP.
    Even if that were true, and it isn’t, it’s practically impossible for the UK govt to allow a Scottish referendum while negox are ongoing with the EU about Brexit.

    For instance, the EU would rightly say, Do these Fisheries agreements apply to Scottish waters given that Scotland may be independent in ten weeks? What could the UK say?

    There won’t be an indyref 2 until the late 2020s, at the earliest
    Not sure about that although I would like it to be true. If the SNP and their little green helpers win a majority in the Scottish elections on a manifesto of a second referendum I really don't see how Boris continues to say no, certainly for not more than a year.

    Still a long haul for Nicola though. May next year for the election, then the inevitable haggling, then the campaign. If the SNP win I think it will be in 2022 or 2023. Of course without Nicola they might find it a lot harder to win that majority. Without it its just not happening.
    You don’t get Boris. He’s just gonna say No. London has learned from Madrid (minus the soldiers and truncheons). You have to be tough on secessionists.
    He’s not being tough, he’s being fair

    The question was asked and answered

    You don’t get a do-over

    The Spanish are just thugs
    If a majority of the Scottish people vote for parties committed to a referendum in 2021 then they are entitled to a "do-over" regardless of what any politician might have said at the time. It is a decision for the Scottish people, not the SNP or Boris. I of course will be doing my modest bit to stop that from happening but ignoring such a vote isn't tough, its undemocratic, stupid and damaging.
    It’s a decision for Westminster. There are plenty of reasons for voting SNP that are not about independence
    I struggle to think of one personally. But if the Lib Dems had a majority in this Parliament on the back of their policy to simply revoke the Article 50 notice that would have been the choice of the British people and the democratic consequence. This is how democracy works and the idea that Scots get democracy when the UK feels like it is dangerous and destabilising.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720

    Dura_Ace said:



    Does anyone contest that it's very hard to maintain a healthy vegan diet?

    Vegetarian, no problem - vegan, very hard to get all the required nutrients.

    Am I wrong?

    Yes, you're wrong. It's time consuming as one has to plan ahead and prepare almost every meal from scratch with fresh ingredients but it is, by no means, "very hard".

    I'm 52 and weigh the same as I did when I was 21. I highly doubt that would be the case if I were subscribing to the morally bankrupt religion of carnism.
    I'm older than you. I've lost 5kg and 4 cm off my waist in a year. I'm fitter, faster and lifting more in the gym than I was 10 years ago. Just walked my fitness test and BA Reacreditation when some half my age have struggled. As you say, food planning and prep is key, but by no means a problem. I just feel generally healthier, physically and mentally and as long as you keep off the processed meat substitutes it's cheap as well. The ethical side is a happy bonus too.
    Most diets are effective simply due to discipline. The rest is confirmation bias.

    And most vegans don't stay that way. They go back to a balanced diet. Due to (err) health reasons.
    I am not a vegan, more a flexitarian, but undeniably a vegan diet is a healthy, low saturated fat, high fiber one, particularly if avoiding processed meat substitutes. It isn't even that difficult after a few weeks adjustment and looking at labels. I am glad that mainstream restaurants now cater for vegans, and are integrating items in their menus.
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    DavidL said:

    Charles said:

    eadric said:

    DavidL said:

    eadric said:

    Alistair said:

    FF43 said:

    Nicola Sturgeon does sound quite fed up. If she's no longer interested, it's probably a bad sign.

    Broken.

    By.

    Boris.
    Boris seems to be doing Nicola's bidding at the moment. He should have agreed to have an immediate referendum. It would have destroyed the SNP.
    Even if that were true, and it isn’t, it’s practically impossible for the UK govt to allow a Scottish referendum while negox are ongoing with the EU about Brexit.

    For instance, the EU would rightly say, Do these Fisheries agreements apply to Scottish waters given that Scotland may be independent in ten weeks? What could the UK say?

    There won’t be an indyref 2 until the late 2020s, at the earliest
    Not sure about that although I would like it to be true. If the SNP and their little green helpers win a majority in the Scottish elections on a manifesto of a second referendum I really don't see how Boris continues to say no, certainly for not more than a year.

    Still a long haul for Nicola though. May next year for the election, then the inevitable haggling, then the campaign. If the SNP win I think it will be in 2022 or 2023. Of course without Nicola they might find it a lot harder to win that majority. Without it its just not happening.
    You don’t get Boris. He’s just gonna say No. London has learned from Madrid (minus the soldiers and truncheons). You have to be tough on secessionists.
    He’s not being tough, he’s being fair

    The question was asked and answered

    You don’t get a do-over

    The Spanish are just thugs
    If a majority of the Scottish people vote for parties committed to a referendum in 2021 then they are entitled to a "do-over" regardless of what any politician might have said at the time. It is a decision for the Scottish people, not the SNP or Boris. I of course will be doing my modest bit to stop that from happening but ignoring such a vote isn't tough, its undemocratic, stupid and damaging.
    I'd quite like to see a referendum on the abolition of referenda
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424
    Congratulations to the England Lions, who have thrashed Australia A by nine wickets.

    You have to feel sorry for Kurtis Patterson - 94 not out over two days - but ultimately the rest of them were just not at the races, which is very gratifying.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,864
    ydoethur said:

    Charles said:

    DavidL said:

    Charles said:

    eadric said:

    DavidL said:

    eadric said:

    Alistair said:

    FF43 said:

    Nicola Sturgeon does sound quite fed up. If she's no longer interested, it's probably a bad sign.

    Broken.

    By.

    Boris.
    Boris seems to be doing Nicola's bidding at the moment. He should have agreed to have an immediate referendum. It would have destroyed the SNP.
    Even if that were true, and it isn’t, it’s practically impossible for the UK govt to allow a Scottish referendum while negox are ongoing with the EU about Brexit.

    For instance, the EU would rightly say, Do these Fisheries agreements apply to Scottish waters given that Scotland may be independent in ten weeks? What could the UK say?

    There won’t be an indyref 2 until the late 2020s, at the earliest
    Not sure about that although I would like it to be true. If the SNP and their little green helpers win a majority in the Scottish elections on a manifesto of a second referendum I really don't see how Boris continues to say no, certainly for not more than a year.

    Still a long haul for Nicola though. May next year for the election, then the inevitable haggling, then the campaign. If the SNP win I think it will be in 2022 or 2023. Of course without Nicola they might find it a lot harder to win that majority. Without it its just not happening.
    You don’t get Boris. He’s just gonna say No. London has learned from Madrid (minus the soldiers and truncheons). You have to be tough on secessionists.
    He’s not being tough, he’s being fair

    The question was asked and answered

    You don’t get a do-over

    The Spanish are just thugs
    If a majority of the Scottish people vote for parties committed to a referendum in 2021 then they are entitled to a "do-over" regardless of what any politician might have said at the time. It is a decision for the Scottish people, not the SNP or Boris. I of course will be doing my modest bit to stop that from happening but ignoring such a vote isn't tough, its undemocratic, stupid and damaging.
    It’s a decision for Westminster. There are plenty of reasons for voting SNP that are not about independence
    You mean, like their awesome track record of competence on transport, education and healthcare?
    And don't forget our Police, criminal justice and Fire Service.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424
    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    Charles said:

    DavidL said:

    Charles said:

    eadric said:

    DavidL said:

    eadric said:

    Alistair said:

    FF43 said:

    Nicola Sturgeon does sound quite fed up. If she's no longer interested, it's probably a bad sign.

    Broken.

    By.

    Boris.
    Boris seems to be doing Nicola's bidding at the moment. He should have agreed to have an immediate referendum. It would have destroyed the SNP.
    Even if that were true, and it isn’t, it’s practically impossible for the UK govt to allow a Scottish referendum while negox are ongoing with the EU about Brexit.

    For instance, the EU would rightly say, Do these Fisheries agreements apply to Scottish waters given that Scotland may be independent in ten weeks? What could the UK say?

    There won’t be an indyref 2 until the late 2020s, at the earliest
    Not sure about that although I would like it to be true. If the SNP and their little green helpers win a majority in the Scottish elections on a manifesto of a second referendum I really don't see how Boris continues to say no, certainly for not more than a year.

    Still a long haul for Nicola though. May next year for the election, then the inevitable haggling, then the campaign. If the SNP win I think it will be in 2022 or 2023. Of course without Nicola they might find it a lot harder to win that majority. Without it its just not happening.
    You don’t get Boris. He’s just gonna say No. London has learned from Madrid (minus the soldiers and truncheons). You have to be tough on secessionists.
    He’s not being tough, he’s being fair

    The question was asked and answered

    You don’t get a do-over

    The Spanish are just thugs
    If a majority of the Scottish people vote for parties committed to a referendum in 2021 then they are entitled to a "do-over" regardless of what any politician might have said at the time. It is a decision for the Scottish people, not the SNP or Boris. I of course will be doing my modest bit to stop that from happening but ignoring such a vote isn't tough, its undemocratic, stupid and damaging.
    It’s a decision for Westminster. There are plenty of reasons for voting SNP that are not about independence
    You mean, like their awesome track record of competence on transport, education and healthcare?
    And don't forget our Police, criminal justice and Fire Service.
    Ah, who could forget Police Scotland?
  • DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    Charles said:

    DavidL said:

    Charles said:

    eadric said:

    DavidL said:

    eadric said:

    Alistair said:

    FF43 said:

    Nicola Sturgeon does sound quite fed up. If she's no longer interested, it's probably a bad sign.

    Broken.

    By.

    Boris.
    Boris seems to be doing Nicola's bidding at the moment. He should have agreed to have an immediate referendum. It would have destroyed the SNP.
    Even if that were true, and it isn’t, it’s practically impossible for the UK govt to allow a Scottish referendum while negox are ongoing with the EU about Brexit.

    For instance, the EU would rightly say, Do these Fisheries agreements apply to Scottish waters given that Scotland may be independent in ten weeks? What could the UK say?

    There won’t be an indyref 2 until the late 2020s, at the earliest
    Not sure about that although I would like it to be true. If the SNP and their little green helpers win a majority in the Scottish elections on a manifesto of a second referendum I really don't see how Boris continues to say no, certainly for not more than a year.

    Still a long haul for Nicola though. May next year for the election, then the inevitable haggling, then the campaign. If the SNP win I think it will be in 2022 or 2023. Of course without Nicola they might find it a lot harder to win that majority. Without it its just not happening.
    You don’t get Boris. He’s just gonna say No. London has learned from Madrid (minus the soldiers and truncheons). You have to be tough on secessionists.
    He’s not being tough, he’s being fair

    The question was asked and answered

    You don’t get a do-over

    The Spanish are just thugs
    If a majority of the Scottish people vote for parties committed to a referendum in 2021 then they are entitled to a "do-over" regardless of what any politician might have said at the time. It is a decision for the Scottish people, not the SNP or Boris. I of course will be doing my modest bit to stop that from happening but ignoring such a vote isn't tough, its undemocratic, stupid and damaging.
    It’s a decision for Westminster. There are plenty of reasons for voting SNP that are not about independence
    You mean, like their awesome track record of competence on transport, education and healthcare?
    And don't forget our Police, criminal justice and Fire Service.
    rUK: hold my beer.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720
    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    Charles said:

    DavidL said:

    Charles said:

    eadric said:

    DavidL said:

    eadric said:

    Alistair said:

    FF43 said:

    Nicola Sturgeon does sound quite fed up. If she's no longer interested, it's probably a bad sign.

    Broken.

    By.

    Boris.
    Boris seems to be doing Nicola's bidding at the moment. He should have agreed to have an immediate referendum. It would have destroyed the SNP.
    Even if that were true, and it isn’t, it’s practically impossible for the UK govt to allow a Scottish referendum while negox are ongoing with the EU about Brexit.

    For instance, the EU would rightly say, Do these Fisheries agreements apply to Scottish waters given that Scotland may be independent in ten weeks? What could the UK say?

    There won’t be an indyref 2 until the late 2020s, at the earliest
    Not sure about that although I would like it to be true. If the SNP and their little green helpers win a majority in the Scottish elections on a manifesto of a second referendum I really don't see how Boris continues to say no, certainly for not more than a year.

    Still a long haul for Nicola though. May next year for the election, then the inevitable haggling, then the campaign. If the SNP win I think it will be in 2022 or 2023. Of course without Nicola they might find it a lot harder to win that majority. Without it its just not happening.
    You don’t get Boris. He’s just gonna say No. London has learned from Madrid (minus the soldiers and truncheons). You have to be tough on secessionists.
    He’s not being tough, he’s being fair

    The question was asked and answered

    You don’t get a do-over

    The Spanish are just thugs
    If a majority of the
    It’s a decision for Westminster. There are plenty of reasons for voting SNP that are not about independence
    You mean, like their awesome track record of competence on transport, education and healthcare?
    And don't forget our Police, criminal justice and Fire Service.
    Not that the rest of the UK is much better run. Today's Marmot report is pretty damaging. This is a good summary, 10 years on from the original much has got worse:

    https://twitter.com/foxinsoxuk/status/1232199541123960832?s=09
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,484
    Foxy said:

    Dura_Ace said:



    Does anyone contest that it's very hard to maintain a healthy vegan diet?

    Vegetarian, no problem - vegan, very hard to get all the required nutrients.

    Am I wrong?

    Yes, you're wrong. It's time consuming as one has to plan ahead and prepare almost every meal from scratch with fresh ingredients but it is, by no means, "very hard".

    I'm 52 and weigh the same as I did when I was 21. I highly doubt that would be the case if I were subscribing to the morally bankrupt religion of carnism.
    I'm older than you. I've lost 5kg and 4 cm off my waist in a year. I'm fitter, faster and lifting more in the gym than I was 10 years ago. Just walked my fitness test and BA Reacreditation when some half my age have struggled. As you say, food planning and prep is key, but by no means a problem. I just feel generally healthier, physically and mentally and as long as you keep off the processed meat substitutes it's cheap as well. The ethical side is a happy bonus too.
    Most diets are effective simply due to discipline. The rest is confirmation bias.

    And most vegans don't stay that way. They go back to a balanced diet. Due to (err) health reasons.
    I am not a vegan, more a flexitarian, but undeniably a vegan diet is a healthy, low saturated fat, high fiber one, particularly if avoiding processed meat substitutes. It isn't even that difficult after a few weeks adjustment and looking at labels. I am glad that mainstream restaurants now cater for vegans, and are integrating items in their menus.
    There is nothing wrong with saturated fat.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    https://twitter.com/Holbornlolz/status/1232201702763384832

    Perhaps Long-Bailey could have said, "When did you last bury your children? "
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,484
    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    Charles said:

    DavidL said:

    Charles said:

    eadric said:

    DavidL said:

    eadric said:

    Alistair said:

    FF43 said:

    Nicola Sturgeon does sound quite fed up. If she's no longer interested, it's probably a bad sign.

    Broken.

    By.

    Boris.
    Boris seems to be doing Nicola's bidding at the moment. He should have agreed to have an immediate referendum. It would have destroyed the SNP.
    Even if that were true, and it isn’t, it’s practically impossible for the UK govt to allow a Scottish referendum while negox are ongoing with the EU about Brexit.

    For instance, the EU would rightly say, Do these Fisheries agreements apply to Scottish waters given that Scotland may be independent in ten weeks? What could the UK say?

    There won’t be an indyref 2 until the late 2020s, at the earliest
    Not sure about that although I would like it to be true. If the SNP and their little green helpers win a majority in the Scottish elections on a manifesto of a second referendum I really don't see how Boris continues to say no, certainly for not more than a year.

    Still a long haul for Nicola though. May next year for the election, then the inevitable haggling, then the campaign. If the SNP win I think it will be in 2022 or 2023. Of course without Nicola they might find it a lot harder to win that majority. Without it its just not happening.
    You don’t get Boris. He’s just gonna say No. London has learned from Madrid (minus the soldiers and truncheons). You have to be tough on secessionists.
    He’s not being tough, he’s being fair

    The question was asked and answered

    You don’t get a do-over

    The Spanish are just thugs
    If a majority of the Scottish people vote for parties committed to a referendum in 2021 then they are entitled to a "do-over" regardless of what any politician might have said at the time. It is a decision for the Scottish people, not the SNP or Boris. I of course will be doing my modest bit to stop that from happening but ignoring such a vote isn't tough, its undemocratic, stupid and damaging.
    It’s a decision for Westminster. There are plenty of reasons for voting SNP that are not about independence
    You mean, like their awesome track record of competence on transport, education and healthcare?
    And don't forget our Police, criminal justice and Fire Service.
    Ah, who could forget Police Scotland?
    Anyone waiting for them to turn up at the side of a road?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    edited February 2020
    malcolmg said:

    isam said:

    I mentioned this was happening in Newham last week, and PB was 100% positive about it. Would be a shame if it only started being bad now it’s the SNP
    Same type of artiste? I suspect Flow Job is a million miles away from the Danny La Rue school of drag (if we’re allowed to call it that anymore?). Just as well children don’t know how to Google.....
    When are you going to tell us that the Corona virus is the fault of the SNP then.
    You support this do you? Good LGBT role model for primary school children?

    The Council don't

    https://twitter.com/HTScotPol/status/1231976546346381313?s=20
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,148
    edited February 2020
    I cannot see Sturgeon resigning any time soon but it is clear she is the SNP May, focused on the legalities and technicalities around independence and dithering and more driven by domestic policy than breaking away.

    Boris is the Tory Salmond on the other hand, focused on actually getting it done and the grand plan rather than detail
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    And don't forget our Police, criminal justice and Fire Service.

    Ah, who could forget Police Scotland?
    Anyone waiting for them to turn up at the side of a road?
    Ouch!
  • malcolmg said:

    eadric said:

    Alistair said:

    FF43 said:

    Nicola Sturgeon does sound quite fed up. If she's no longer interested, it's probably a bad sign.

    Broken.

    By.

    Boris.
    Boris seems to be doing Nicola's bidding at the moment. He should have agreed to have an immediate referendum. It would have destroyed the SNP.
    Even if that were true, and it isn’t, it’s practically impossible for the UK govt to allow a Scottish referendum while negox are ongoing with the EU about Brexit.

    For instance, the EU would rightly say, Do these Fisheries agreements apply to Scottish waters given that Scotland may be independent in ten weeks? What could the UK say?

    There won’t be an indyref 2 until the late 2020s, at the earliest
    Given they will give away the fishing as their first cave in , I hardly think that matters, you obviously are either extremely dim or just like talking through your arse.
    Giving away fishing won't mean much if the EU are counting on the SNP giving it away first.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,148
    Went to see Hamilton last night with my partner, great performance and Chuka Umunna was in the audience too with his wife
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,864

    DavidL said:

    Charles said:

    eadric said:

    DavidL said:

    eadric said:

    Alistair said:

    FF43 said:

    Nicola Sturgeon does sound quite fed up. If she's no longer interested, it's probably a bad sign.

    Broken.

    By.

    Boris.
    Boris seems to be doing Nicola's bidding at the moment. He should have agreed to have an immediate referendum. It would have destroyed the SNP.
    Even if that were true, and it isn’t, it’s practically impossible for the UK govt to allow a Scottish referendum while negox are ongoing with the EU about Brexit.

    For instance, the EU would rightly say, Do these Fisheries agreements apply to Scottish waters given that Scotland may be independent in ten weeks? What could the UK say?

    There won’t be an indyref 2 until the late 2020s, at the earliest
    Not sure about that although I would like it to be true. If the SNP and their little green helpers win a majority in the Scottish elections on a manifesto of a second referendum I really don't see how Boris continues to say no, certainly for not more than a year.

    Still a long haul for Nicola though. May next year for the election, then the inevitable haggling, then the campaign. If the SNP win I think it will be in 2022 or 2023. Of course without Nicola they might find it a lot harder to win that majority. Without it its just not happening.
    You don’t get Boris. He’s just gonna say No. London has learned from Madrid (minus the soldiers and truncheons). You have to be tough on secessionists.
    He’s not being tough, he’s being fair

    The question was asked and answered

    You don’t get a do-over

    The Spanish are just thugs
    If a majority of the Scottish people vote for parties committed to a referendum in 2021 then they are entitled to a "do-over" regardless of what any politician might have said at the time. It is a decision for the Scottish people, not the SNP or Boris. I of course will be doing my modest bit to stop that from happening but ignoring such a vote isn't tough, its undemocratic, stupid and damaging.
    I'd quite like to see a referendum on the abolition of referenda
    I'd be happy not to have another one in my lifetime but it is not my call.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720

    Foxy said:

    Dura_Ace said:



    Does anyone contest that it's very hard to maintain a healthy vegan diet?

    Vegetarian, no problem - vegan, very hard to get all the required nutrients.

    Am I wrong?

    Yes, you're wrong. It's time consuming as one has to plan ahead and prepare almost every meal from scratch with fresh ingredients but it is, by no means, "very hard".

    I'm 52 and weigh the same as I did when I was 21. I highly doubt that would be the case if I were subscribing to the morally bankrupt religion of carnism.
    I'm older than you. I've lost 5kg and 4 cm off my waist in a year. I'm fitter, faster and lifting more in the gym than I was 10 years ago. Just walked my fitness test and BA Reacreditation when some half my age have struggled. As you say, food planning and prep is key, but by no means a problem. I just feel generally healthier, physically and mentally and as long as you keep off the processed meat substitutes it's cheap as well. The ethical side is a happy bonus too.
    Most diets are effective simply due to discipline. The rest is confirmation bias.

    And most vegans don't stay that way. They go back to a balanced diet. Due to (err) health reasons.
    I am not a vegan, more a flexitarian, but undeniably a vegan diet is a healthy, low saturated fat, high fiber one, particularly if avoiding processed meat substitutes. It isn't even that difficult after a few weeks adjustment and looking at labels. I am glad that mainstream restaurants now cater for vegans, and are integrating items in their menus.
    There is nothing wrong with saturated fat.
    In small proportions that is true, but the high saturated fat, high carbohydrate diet of most Britons is a major cause of disease.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424
    dr_spyn said:

    https://twitter.com/Holbornlolz/status/1232201702763384832

    Perhaps Long-Bailey could have said, "When did you last bury your children? "

    People often get confused between ‘descendants’ and ‘ancestors.’

    She does sound unbelievably confused in many ways, though.
  • HYUFD said:

    I cannot see Sturgeon resigning any time soon but it is clear she is the SNP May, focused on the legalities and technicalities around independence and dithering and more driven by domestic policy than breaking away.

    Boris is the Tory Salmond on the other hand, focused on actually getting it done and the grand plan rather than detail

    If Sturgeon is the SNP concentrating on domestic policy, I'd hate to see what an SNP concentrating on constitutional matters looks like . . .
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720

    malcolmg said:

    isam said:

    I mentioned this was happening in Newham last week, and PB was 100% positive about it. Would be a shame if it only started being bad now it’s the SNP
    Same type of artiste? I suspect Flow Job is a million miles away from the Danny La Rue school of drag (if we’re allowed to call it that anymore?). Just as well children don’t know how to Google.....
    When are you going to tell us that the Corona virus is the fault of the SNP then.
    You support this do you? Good LGBT role model for primary school children?
    I suspect that the material was slightly different to the night club act.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,729
    dr_spyn said:

    https://twitter.com/Holbornlolz/status/1232201702763384832

    Perhaps Long-Bailey could have said, "When did you last bury your children? "

    She would have been better had she said nothing. Is she a scouser?
  • Mr. L, I have sympathy with that argument.

    But there's another, which is that separatists don't get to have 100 votes and only need to win once for it to count forever. That's not exactly democratic either.

    Ironically, the SNP approach of making the 2014 a once in a generation vote was sound. It didn't make it last forever, but it acknowledged and respected a vote to remain would not seek to be overturned next Tuesday.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424
    edited February 2020

    dr_spyn said:

    https://twitter.com/Holbornlolz/status/1232201702763384832

    Perhaps Long-Bailey could have said, "When did you last bury your children? "

    She would have been better had she said nothing. Is she a scouser?
    It’s amazing that she describes people as ‘traitors’ then says ‘how do we get them back?’

    Well, a good start might be not to describe them as ‘traitors’ you stupid f***tard.

    Edit - I take it we’re sure this isn’t a spoof from CCO?
  • Foxy said:

    malcolmg said:

    isam said:

    I mentioned this was happening in Newham last week, and PB was 100% positive about it. Would be a shame if it only started being bad now it’s the SNP
    Same type of artiste? I suspect Flow Job is a million miles away from the Danny La Rue school of drag (if we’re allowed to call it that anymore?). Just as well children don’t know how to Google.....
    When are you going to tell us that the Corona virus is the fault of the SNP then.
    You support this do you? Good LGBT role model for primary school children?
    I suspect that the material was slightly different to the night club act.
    Just as well children don't know how to use the internet, eh?
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    edited February 2020
    1000 locked down in hotel in Adeje Tenerife following Italian doctor confirmed with covid 19. suspected cases on La Gomera, Mallorca and several mainland universities following trips to Italy.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,148
    edited February 2020
    DavidL said:

    Charles said:

    eadric said:

    DavidL said:

    eadric said:

    Alistair said:

    FF43 said:

    Nicola Sturgeon does sound quite fed up. If she's no longer interested, it's probably a bad sign.

    Broken.

    By.

    Boris.
    Boris seems to be doing Nicola's bidding at the moment. He should have agreed to have an immediate referendum. It would have destroyed the SNP.
    Even if that were true, and it isn’t, it’s practically impossible for the UK govt to allow a Scottish referendum while negox are ongoing with the EU about Brexit.

    For instance, the EU would rightly say, Do these Fisheries agreements apply to Scottish waters given that Scotland may be independent in ten weeks? What could the UK say?

    There won’t be an indyref 2 until the late 2020s, at the earliest
    Not sure about that although I would like it to be true. If the SNP and their little green helpers win a majority in the Scottish elections ty. Without it its just not happening.
    You don’t get Boris. He’s just gonna say No. London has learned from Madrid (minus the soldiers and truncheons). You have to be tough on secessionists.
    He’s not being tough, he’s being fair

    The question was asked and answered

    You don’t get a do-over

    The Spanish are just thugs
    If a majority of the Scottish people vote for parties committed to a referendum in 2021 then they are entitled to a "do-over" regardless of what any politician might have said at the time. It is a decision for the Scottish people, not the SNP or Boris. I of course will be doing my modest bit to stop that from happening but ignoring such a vote isn't tough, its undemocratic, stupid and damaging.
    2014 was in Salmond's own words 'a once in a generation referendum', No to independence won and the Tories won the general election with a manifesto commitment to no indyref2 for their full term, so Boris will block indyref2 whatever happens next year at Holyrood.

    However an SNP majority is not guaranteed, the Tories got 25% at the last general election which would still be up on the 22% they got at Holyrood 2016 and Starmer polls well in Scotland, better thsn both Ed Miliband and Corbyn did so Labour could win back a few seats from the SNP too if he becomes leader.

    Wings over Scotland is also preparing candidates for a new independence party on the list in fury at Sturgeon's dithering, that party could end up costing the SNP list seats without gaining enough votes to win any list seats itself and thus split the pro independence vote
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,729
    ydoethur said:

    dr_spyn said:

    https://twitter.com/Holbornlolz/status/1232201702763384832

    Perhaps Long-Bailey could have said, "When did you last bury your children? "

    She would have been better had she said nothing. Is she a scouser?
    It’s amazing that she describes people as ‘traitors’ then says ‘how do we get them back?’

    Well, a good start might be not to describe them as ‘traitors’ you stupid f***tard.
    The original questioner has the Corbyn mentality. Rather lose badly and never get elected so long as the message is "pure".
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    Charles said:

    eadric said:

    DavidL said:

    eadric said:

    Alistair said:

    FF43 said:

    Nicola Sturgeon does sound quite fed up. If she's no longer interested, it's probably a bad sign.

    Broken.

    By.

    Boris.
    Boris seems to be doing Nicola's bidding at the moment. He should have agreed to have an immediate referendum. It would have destroyed the SNP.
    Even if that were true, and it isn’t, it’s practically impossible for the UK govt to allow a Scottish referendum while negox are ongoing with the EU about Brexit.

    For instance, the EU would rightly say, Do these Fisheries agreements apply to Scottish waters given that Scotland may be independent in ten weeks? What could the UK say?

    There won’t be an indyref 2 until the late 2020s, at the earliest
    Not sure about that although I would like it to be true. If the SNP and their little green helpers win a majority in the Scottish elections ty. Without it its just not happening.
    You don’t get Boris. He’s just gonna say No. London has learned from Madrid (minus the soldiers and truncheons). You have to be tough on secessionists.
    He’s not being tough, he’s being fair

    The question was asked and answered

    You don’t get a do-over

    The Spanish are just thugs
    If a majority of the Scottish people vote for parties committed to a referendum in 2021 then they are entitled to a "do-over" regardless of what any politician might have said at the time. It is a decision for the Scottish people, not the SNP or Boris. I of course will be doing my modest bit to stop that from happening but ignoring such a vote isn't tough, its undemocratic, stupid and damaging.
    2014 was in Salmond's own words 'a once in a generation referendum', No to independence won and the Tories won the general election with a manifesto commitment to no indyref2 for their full term, so Boris will block indyref2 whatever happens next year at Holyrood.

    I agree. I suppose the ONLY justification for repeating a vote is Brexit?
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    nichomar said:

    suspected cases on La Gomera,

    'Suspected'? La Gomera is where Spain has been shunting coronavirus victims for quarantine.

  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868

    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    Charles said:

    eadric said:

    DavidL said:

    eadric said:

    Alistair said:

    FF43 said:

    Nicola Sturgeon does sound quite fed up. If she's no longer interested, it's probably a bad sign.

    Broken.

    By.

    Boris.
    Boris seems to be doing Nicola's bidding at the moment. He should have agreed to have an immediate referendum. It would have destroyed the SNP.
    Even if that were true, and it isn’t, it’s practically impossible for the UK govt to allow a Scottish referendum while negox are ongoing with the EU about Brexit.

    For instance, the EU would rightly say, Do these Fisheries agreements apply to Scottish waters given that Scotland may be independent in ten weeks? What could the UK say?

    There won’t be an indyref 2 until the late 2020s, at the earliest
    Not sure about that although I would like it to be true. If the SNP and their little green helpers win a majority in the Scottish elections ty. Without it its just not happening.
    You don’t get Boris. He’s just gonna say No. London has learned from Madrid (minus the soldiers and truncheons). You have to be tough on secessionists.
    He’s not being tough, he’s being fair

    The question was asked and answered

    You don’t get a do-over

    The Spanish are just thugs
    If a majority of the Scottish people vote for parties committed to a referendum in 2021 then they are entitled to a "do-over" regardless of what any politician might have said at the time. It is a decision for the Scottish people, not the SNP or Boris. I of course will be doing my modest bit to stop that from happening but ignoring such a vote isn't tough, its undemocratic, stupid and damaging.
    2014 was in Salmond's own words 'a once in a generation referendum', No to independence won and the Tories won the general election with a manifesto commitment to no indyref2 for their full term, so Boris will block indyref2 whatever happens next year at Holyrood.

    I agree. I suppose the ONLY justification for repeating a vote is Brexit?
    Which is entirely reasonable, Brexit being a fundamental change in our national positioning within the world. Bozo would be more sensible to suggest that any referendum wait until the Brexit process is completed, so that Scots can make an informed decision, and hint a date a few years hence
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Charles said:

    isam said:

    I mentioned this was happening in Newham last week, and PB was 100% positive about it. Would be a shame if it only started being bad now it’s the SNP
    Honestly I don’t see the problem

    If he was performing is act to the children that would be wrong

    But he’s reading to them for goodness sake. Kids benefit from being read to. Just because someone is a performer who’s act isn’t to everyone’s taste that doesn’t exclude him from making a contribution to society in other ways
    I'm fairly certain the BBC bed time story has been read by actors who have said rude words in other shows.

    Civilisation has not collapsed.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868

    Foxy said:

    malcolmg said:

    isam said:

    I mentioned this was happening in Newham last week, and PB was 100% positive about it. Would be a shame if it only started being bad now it’s the SNP
    Same type of artiste? I suspect Flow Job is a million miles away from the Danny La Rue school of drag (if we’re allowed to call it that anymore?). Just as well children don’t know how to Google.....
    When are you going to tell us that the Corona virus is the fault of the SNP then.
    You support this do you? Good LGBT role model for primary school children?
    I suspect that the material was slightly different to the night club act.
    Just as well children don't know how to use the internet, eh?
    I doubt children need a personal visit to their school from someone involved in the industry in order to spark the idea of searching for sex related material, eh?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424

    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    Charles said:

    eadric said:

    DavidL said:

    eadric said:

    Alistair said:

    FF43 said:

    Nicola Sturgeon does sound quite fed up. If she's no longer interested, it's probably a bad sign.

    Broken.

    By.

    Boris.
    Boris seems to be doing Nicola's bidding at the moment. He should have agreed to have an immediate referendum. It would have destroyed the SNP.
    Even if that were true, and it isn’t, it’s practically impossible for the UK govt to allow a Scottish referendum while negox are ongoing with the EU about Brexit.

    For instance, the EU would rightly say, Do these Fisheries agreements apply to Scottish waters given that Scotland may be independent in ten weeks? What could the UK say?

    There won’t be an indyref 2 until the late 2020s, at the earliest
    Not sure about that although I would like it to be true. If the SNP and their little green helpers win a majority in the Scottish elections ty. Without it its just not happening.
    You don’t get Boris. He’s just gonna say No. London has learned from Madrid (minus the soldiers and truncheons). You have to be tough on secessionists.
    He’s not being tough, he’s being fair

    The question was asked and answered

    You don’t get a do-over

    The Spanish are just thugs
    If a majority of the Scottish people vote for parties committed to a referendum in 2021 then they are entitled to a "do-over" regardless of what any politician might have said at the time. It is a decision for the Scottish people, not the SNP or Boris. I of course will be doing my modest bit to stop that from happening but ignoring such a vote isn't tough, its undemocratic, stupid and damaging.
    2014 was in Salmond's own words 'a once in a generation referendum', No to independence won and the Tories won the general election with a manifesto commitment to no indyref2 for their full term, so Boris will block indyref2 whatever happens next year at Holyrood.

    I agree. I suppose the ONLY justification for repeating a vote is Brexit?
    No. That’s only the pretext.

    TBF, though, promises on further devolution were made in 2014 that haven’t been kept. However, there were demands for a further referendum even before this was known or we were leaving the EU.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-33668976
  • Mr. B2, that's a legitimate argument.

    Although given the SNP will be asking for a third vote if they lose the second, I can appreciate the reluctance to hold another referendum.
  • Alistair said:

    Charles said:

    isam said:

    I mentioned this was happening in Newham last week, and PB was 100% positive about it. Would be a shame if it only started being bad now it’s the SNP
    Honestly I don’t see the problem

    If he was performing is act to the children that would be wrong

    But he’s reading to them for goodness sake. Kids benefit from being read to. Just because someone is a performer who’s act isn’t to everyone’s taste that doesn’t exclude him from making a contribution to society in other ways
    I'm fairly certain the BBC bed time story has been read by actors who have said rude words in other shows.

    Civilisation has not collapsed.
    Its a bit more than "rude words"

    https://twitter.com/dailystar/status/1232211417551507457?s=20
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,060
    Hope none of you are Rugby fans...

    "England in talks with Six Nations as coronavirus puts Italy games in doubt "
    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/feb/24/englands-six-nations-hopes-spread-of-coronavirus-in-italy
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Dura_Ace said:



    Does anyone contest that it's very hard to maintain a healthy vegan diet?

    Vegetarian, no problem - vegan, very hard to get all the required nutrients.

    Am I wrong?

    Yes, you're wrong. It's time consuming as one has to plan ahead and prepare almost every meal from scratch with fresh ingredients but it is, by no means, "very hard".

    I'm 52 and weigh the same as I did when I was 21. I highly doubt that would be the case if I were subscribing to the morally bankrupt religion of carnism.
    I'm older than you. I've lost 5kg and 4 cm off my waist in a year. I'm fitter, faster and lifting more in the gym than I was 10 years ago. Just walked my fitness test and BA Reacreditation when some half my age have struggled. As you say, food planning and prep is key, but by no means a problem. I just feel generally healthier, physically and mentally and as long as you keep off the processed meat substitutes it's cheap as well. The ethical side is a happy bonus too.
    Most diets are effective simply due to discipline. The rest is confirmation bias.

    And most vegans don't stay that way. They go back to a balanced diet. Due to (err) health reasons.
    I am not a vegan, more a flexitarian, but undeniably a vegan diet is a healthy, low saturated fat, high fiber one, particularly if avoiding processed meat substitutes. It isn't even that difficult after a few weeks adjustment and looking at labels. I am glad that mainstream restaurants now cater for vegans, and are integrating items in their menus.
    There is nothing wrong with saturated fat.
    In small proportions that is true, but the high saturated fat, high carbohydrate diet of most Britons is a major cause of disease.
    No. The biggest problem is sugar.

    Obesity increased massively in the U.S. and the U.K. when 'low fat' diets emerged. I assume the stupidity of people and clever marketing strategy was that if you eat fat it must make you fat. Right? Wrong.

    Sugar is what causes most obesity. And that's a big big money maker.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    HYUFD said:

    Went to see Hamilton last night with my partner, great performance and Chuka Umunna was in the audience too with his wife

    I trust you told him of all the time you had spent tipping him as next PM.
  • HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    Charles said:

    eadric said:

    DavidL said:

    eadric said:

    Alistair said:

    FF43 said:

    Nicola Sturgeon does sound quite fed up. If she's no longer interested, it's probably a bad sign.

    Broken.

    By.

    Boris.
    Boris seems to be doing Nicola's bidding at the moment. He should have agreed to have an immediate referendum. It would have destroyed the SNP.
    Even if that were true, and it isn’t, it’s practically impossible for the UK govt to allow a Scottish referendum while negox are ongoing with the EU about Brexit.

    For instance, the EU would rightly say, Do these Fisheries agreements apply to Scottish waters given that Scotland may be independent in ten weeks? What could the UK say?

    There won’t be an indyref 2 until the late 2020s, at the earliest
    Not sure about that although I would like it to be true. If the SNP and their little green helpers win a majority in the Scottish elections ty. Without it its just not happening.
    You don’t get Boris. He’s just gonna say No. London has learned from Madrid (minus the soldiers and truncheons). You have to be tough on secessionists.
    He’s not being tough, he’s being fair

    The question was asked and answered

    You don’t get a do-over

    The Spanish are just thugs
    If a majority of the Scottish people vote for parties committed to a referendum in 2021 then they are entitled to a "do-over" regardless of what any politician might have said at the time. It is a decision for the Scottish people, not the SNP or Boris. I of course will be doing my modest bit to stop that from happening but ignoring such a vote isn't tough, its undemocratic, stupid and damaging.
    2014 was in Salmond's own words 'a once in a generation referendum', No to independence won and the Tories won the general election with a manifesto commitment to no indyref2 for their full term, so Boris will block indyref2 whatever happens next year at Holyrood.

    I agree. I suppose the ONLY justification for repeating a vote is Brexit?
    Yeah, it's not like continuing EU membership was a big part of the Better Together campaign.

    https://twitter.com/UK_Together/status/506899714923843584?s=20
  • Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Dura_Ace said:



    Does anyone contest that it's very hard to maintain a healthy vegan diet?

    Vegetarian, no problem - vegan, very hard to get all the required nutrients.

    Am I wrong?

    Yes, you're wrong. It's time consuming as one has to plan ahead and prepare almost every meal from scratch with fresh ingredients but it is, by no means, "very hard".

    I'm 52 and weigh the same as I did when I was 21. I highly doubt that would be the case if I were subscribing to the morally bankrupt religion of carnism.
    I'm older than you. I've lost 5kg and 4 cm off my waist in a year. I'm fitter, faster and lifting more in the gym than I was 10 years ago. Just walked my fitness test and BA Reacreditation when some half my age have struggled. As you say, food planning and prep is key, but by no means a problem. I just feel generally healthier, physically and mentally and as long as you keep off the processed meat substitutes it's cheap as well. The ethical side is a happy bonus too.
    Most diets are effective simply due to discipline. The rest is confirmation bias.

    And most vegans don't stay that way. They go back to a balanced diet. Due to (err) health reasons.
    I am not a vegan, more a flexitarian, but undeniably a vegan diet is a healthy, low saturated fat, high fiber one, particularly if avoiding processed meat substitutes. It isn't even that difficult after a few weeks adjustment and looking at labels. I am glad that mainstream restaurants now cater for vegans, and are integrating items in their menus.
    There is nothing wrong with saturated fat.
    In small proportions that is true, but the high saturated fat, high carbohydrate diet of most Britons is a major cause of disease.
    No. The biggest problem is sugar.

    Obesity increased massively in the U.S. and the U.K. when 'low fat' diets emerged. I assume the stupidity of people and clever marketing strategy was that if you eat fat it must make you fat. Right? Wrong.

    Sugar is what causes most obesity. And that's a big big money maker.
    Sugar consumption in the uk has declined fairly steadily since the 1960s. As obesity has increased.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    CatMan said:

    Hope none of you are Rugby fans...

    "England in talks with Six Nations as coronavirus puts Italy games in doubt "
    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/feb/24/englands-six-nations-hopes-spread-of-coronavirus-in-italy

    Less sport on television? And to think that people say the killer virus has no upside.
  • Alistair said:

    Charles said:

    isam said:

    I mentioned this was happening in Newham last week, and PB was 100% positive about it. Would be a shame if it only started being bad now it’s the SNP
    Honestly I don’t see the problem

    If he was performing is act to the children that would be wrong

    But he’s reading to them for goodness sake. Kids benefit from being read to. Just because someone is a performer who’s act isn’t to everyone’s taste that doesn’t exclude him from making a contribution to society in other ways
    I'm fairly certain the BBC bed time story has been read by actors who have said rude words in other shows.

    Civilisation has not collapsed.
    Its a bit more than "rude words"

    https://twitter.com/dailystar/status/1232211417551507457?s=20
    It’s An abhorrent monstrosity. But I shall say no more in case I end up with a ban.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,230
    Alistair said:

    Charles said:

    isam said:

    I mentioned this was happening in Newham last week, and PB was 100% positive about it. Would be a shame if it only started being bad now it’s the SNP
    Honestly I don’t see the problem

    If he was performing is act to the children that would be wrong

    But he’s reading to them for goodness sake. Kids benefit from being read to. Just because someone is a performer who’s act isn’t to everyone’s taste that doesn’t exclude him from making a contribution to society in other ways
    I'm fairly certain the BBC bed time story has been read by actors who have said rude words in other shows.

    Civilisation has not collapsed.
    Moral panic is a tradition as old as civilisation.
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    edited February 2020

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Dura_Ace said:





    Am I wrong?

    m.
    I'm older than you. I've lost 5kg and 4 cm off my waist in a year. I'm fitter, faster and lifting more in the gym than I was 10 years ago. Just walked my fitness test and BA Reacreditation when some half my age have struggled. As you say, food planning and prep is key, but by no means a problem. I just feel generally healthier, physically and mentally and as long as you keep off the processed meat substitutes it's cheap as well. The ethical side is a happy bonus too.
    Most diets are effective simply due to discipline. The rest is confirmation bias.

    And most vegans don't stay that way. They go back to a balanced diet. Due to (err) health reasons.
    .
    There is nothing wrong with saturated fat.
    In small proportions that is true, but the high saturated fat, high carbohydrate diet of most Britons is a major cause of disease.
    No. The biggest problem is sugar.

    Obesity increased massively in the U.S. and the U.K. when 'low fat' diets emerged. I assume the stupidity of people and clever marketing strategy was that if you eat fat it must make you fat. Right? Wrong.

    Sugar is what causes most obesity. And that's a big big money maker.
    Sugar consumption in the uk has declined fairly steadily since the 1960s. As obesity has increased.
    That is utter and absolute rubbish. Sugar consumption has increased.

    You do realise sugar isn't just found in the little white Tate & Lisle packets?

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/sep/20/britons-consuming-more-sugar-despite-tax-and-anti-obesity-drive

    "The English are eating more sugar, even though the sugar tax on soft drinks is proving a success and cereals, yoghurts and cakes have become healthier.

    The growing intake of sugar comes despite concerted efforts in recent years by the government and some food firms to strip sugar out of products to aid the fight against obesity.

    Experts are warning that the nation’s increasingly sweet tooth will worsen the damage already being done to public health by sugar, such as through diabetes and tooth decay.

    The alarming trend of rising overall consumption of what critics call the “pure, white and deadly” substance is revealed in a report by Public Health England (PHE)."

    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/839756/Sugar_reduction_yr2_progress_report.pdf
  • Mr. Divvie, you're upset you had to wait a few years longer for Scotland to leave the EU?

    Understandable.
  • dr_spyn said:

    https://twitter.com/Holbornlolz/status/1232201702763384832

    Perhaps Long-Bailey could have said, "When did you last bury your children? "

    Life is tough in Liverpool, she’s only eighteen. So her children are probably no older than four or five.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Dura_Ace said:



    Does anyone contest that it's very hard to maintain a healthy vegan diet?

    Vegetarian, no problem - vegan, very hard to get all the required nutrients.

    Am I wrong?

    Yes, you're wrong. It's time consuming as one has to plan ahead and prepare almost every meal from scratch with fresh ingredients but it is, by no means, "very hard".

    I'm 52 and weigh the same as I did when I was 21. I highly doubt that would be the case if I were subscribing to the morally bankrupt religion of carnism.
    I'm older than you. I've lost 5kg and 4 cm off my waist in a year. I'm fitter, faster and lifting more in the gym than I was 10 years ago. Just walked my fitness test and BA Reacreditation when some half my age have struggled. As you say, food planning and prep is key, but by no means a problem. I just feel generally healthier, physically and mentally and as long as you keep off the processed meat substitutes it's cheap as well. The ethical side is a happy bonus too.
    Most diets are effective simply due to discipline. The rest is confirmation bias.

    And most vegans don't stay that way. They go back to a balanced diet. Due to (err) health reasons.
    I am not a vegan, more a flexitarian, but undeniably a vegan diet is a healthy, low saturated fat, high fiber one, particularly if avoiding processed meat substitutes. It isn't even that difficult after a few weeks adjustment and looking at labels. I am glad that mainstream restaurants now cater for vegans, and are integrating items in their menus.
    There is nothing wrong with saturated fat.
    In small proportions that is true, but the high saturated fat, high carbohydrate diet of most Britons is a major cause of disease.
    No. The biggest problem is sugar.

    Obesity increased massively in the U.S. and the U.K. when 'low fat' diets emerged. I assume the stupidity of people and clever marketing strategy was that if you eat fat it must make you fat. Right? Wrong.

    Sugar is what causes most obesity. And that's a big big money maker.
    Sugar consumption in the uk has declined fairly steadily since the 1960s. As obesity has increased.
    Have you got stats on that? A cursory Google throws up a fair few rising graphs for sugar consumption through to the current day
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,729

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Dura_Ace said:



    Does anyone contest that it's very hard to maintain a healthy vegan diet?

    Vegetarian, no problem - vegan, very hard to get all the required nutrients.

    Am I wrong?

    Yes, you're wrong. It's time consuming as one has to plan ahead and prepare almost every meal from scratch with fresh ingredients but it is, by no means, "very hard".

    I'm 52 and weigh the same as I did when I was 21. I highly doubt that would be the case if I were subscribing to the morally bankrupt religion of carnism.
    I'm older than you. I've lost 5kg and 4 cm off my waist in a year. I'm fitter, faster and lifting more in the gym than I was 10 years ago. Just walked my fitness test and BA Reacreditation when some half my age have struggled. As you say, food planning and prep is key, but by no means a problem. I just feel generally healthier, physically and mentally and as long as you keep off the processed meat substitutes it's cheap as well. The ethical side is a happy bonus too.
    Most diets are effective simply due to discipline. The rest is confirmation bias.

    And most vegans don't stay that way. They go back to a balanced diet. Due to (err) health reasons.
    I am not a vegan, more a flexitarian, but undeniably a vegan diet is a healthy, low saturated fat, high fiber one, particularly if avoiding processed meat substitutes. It isn't even that difficult after a few weeks adjustment and looking at labels. I am glad that mainstream restaurants now cater for vegans, and are integrating items in their menus.
    There is nothing wrong with saturated fat.
    In small proportions that is true, but the high saturated fat, high carbohydrate diet of most Britons is a major cause of disease.
    No. The biggest problem is sugar.

    Obesity increased massively in the U.S. and the U.K. when 'low fat' diets emerged. I assume the stupidity of people and clever marketing strategy was that if you eat fat it must make you fat. Right? Wrong.

    Sugar is what causes most obesity. And that's a big big money maker.
    Sugar consumption in the uk has declined fairly steadily since the 1960s. As obesity has increased.
    citation required
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    IanB2 said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Dura_Ace said:



    Does anyone contest that it's very hard to maintain a healthy vegan diet?

    Vegetarian, no problem - vegan, very hard to get all the required nutrients.

    Am I wrong?

    Yes, you're wrong. It's time consuming as one has to plan ahead and prepare almost every meal from scratch with fresh ingredients but it is, by no means, "very hard".

    I'm 52 and weigh the same as I did when I was 21. I highly doubt that would be the case if I were subscribing to the morally bankrupt religion of carnism.
    Most diets are effective simply due to discipline. The rest is confirmation bias.

    And most vegans don't stay that way. They go back to a balanced diet. Due to (err) health reasons.
    .
    There is nothing wrong with saturated fat.
    In small proportions that is true, but the high saturated fat, high carbohydrate diet of most Britons is a major cause of disease.
    No. The biggest problem is sugar.

    Obesity increased massively in the U.S. and the U.K. when 'low fat' diets emerged. I assume the stupidity of people and clever marketing strategy was that if you eat fat it must make you fat. Right? Wrong.

    Sugar is what causes most obesity. And that's a big big money maker.
    Sugar consumption in the uk has declined fairly steadily since the 1960s. As obesity has increased.
    Have you got stats on that? A cursory Google throws up a fair few rising graphs for sugar consumption through to the current day
    No he hasn't. It's one of the worst pieces of disinformation I've ever seen on this forum.

    Sugar consumption is increasing.

    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/839756/Sugar_reduction_yr2_progress_report.pdf

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/sep/20/britons-consuming-more-sugar-despite-tax-and-anti-obesity-drive
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,864
    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    Charles said:

    DavidL said:

    Charles said:

    eadric said:

    DavidL said:

    eadric said:

    Alistair said:

    FF43 said:

    Not sure about that although I would like it to be true. If the SNP and their little green helpers win a majority in the Scottish elections on a manifesto of a second referendum I really don't see how Boris continues to say no, certainly for not more than a year.

    Still a long haul for Nicola though. May next year for the election, then the inevitable haggling, then the campaign. If the SNP win I think it will be in 2022 or 2023. Of course without Nicola they might find it a lot harder to win that majority. Without it its just not happening.
    You don’t get Boris. He’s just gonna say No. London has learned from Madrid (minus the soldiers and truncheons). You have to be tough on secessionists.
    He’s not being tough, he’s being fair

    The question was asked and answered

    You don’t get a do-over

    The Spanish are just thugs
    If a majority of the
    It’s a decision for Westminster. There are plenty of reasons for voting SNP that are not about independence
    You mean, like their awesome track record of competence on transport, education and healthcare?
    And don't forget our Police, criminal justice and Fire Service.
    Not that the rest of the UK is much better run. Today's Marmot report is pretty damaging. This is a good summary, 10 years on from the original much has got worse:

    https://twitter.com/foxinsoxuk/status/1232199541123960832?s=09
    That's a grim read but it doesn't (understandably) address the fact that public spending in 2010 was completely unsustainable and needed to be brought back in line with the tax base. It is hardly surprising that the areas which were receiving the most public money then were most affected when that spending was restrained/cut. There is a price to be paid for economic incompetence as the people of Venezuela found to their cost.

    All that said the government needs to look carefully at the consequences and see what can be done to ameliorate them in the future. As more money becomes available these inequalities should set the agenda.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    edited February 2020

    Alistair said:

    Charles said:

    isam said:

    I mentioned this was happening in Newham last week, and PB was 100% positive about it. Would be a shame if it only started being bad now it’s the SNP
    Honestly I don’t see the problem

    If he was performing is act to the children that would be wrong

    But he’s reading to them for goodness sake. Kids benefit from being read to. Just because someone is a performer who’s act isn’t to everyone’s taste that doesn’t exclude him from making a contribution to society in other ways
    I'm fairly certain the BBC bed time story has been read by actors who have said rude words in other shows.

    Civilisation has not collapsed.
    Its a bit more than "rude words"

    https://twitter.com/dailystar/status/1232211417551507457?s=20
    So f***ing what? Was the act being performed to the kids, or was it reading a children's book that was performed to the kids?

    My kids like children's books written by David Walliams - but some of his comedy routines for adults are not suitable for them - we can reasonably judge the difference.

    My kids like a YouTube children's entertainer who goes by the stagename "Blippi" who performs entertaining and sometimes quite educational videos on YouTube. Earlier in his life he performed a NSFW viral video where he defecated on his friend: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/katienotopoulos/blippi-youtube-kids-star-harlem-shake-poop

    A few years ago the highest earning entertainer on YouTube was someone who simply unwrapped toys, all you saw of her was her hands and you could hear her voice. My daughter loved her videos when she was very little. That woman had previously performed in porn.

    Heck, I only found out just before graduating that decades earlier my English teacher at school had performed in porn! She was still a very capable teacher.

    So long as he's not performing sex acts in front of kids, who gives a flying f**k?
  • Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    Charles said:

    DavidL said:

    Charles said:

    eadric said:

    DavidL said:

    eadric said:

    Alistair said:

    FF43 said:

    Nicola Sturgeon does sound quite fed up. If she's no longer interested, it's probably a bad sign.

    Broken.

    By.

    Boris.
    Boris seems to be doing Nicola's bidding at the moment. He should have agreed to have an immediate referendum. It would have destroyed the SNP.
    in ten weeks? What could the UK say?

    There won’t be an indyref 2 until the late 2020s, at the earliest
    Not sure about that althoughg haul for Nicola though. May next year for the election, then the inevitable haggling, then the campaign. If the SNP win I think it will be in 2022 or 2023. Of course without Nicola they might find it a lot harder to win that majority. Without it its just not happening.
    You don’t get Boris. He’s just gonna say No. London has learned from Madrid (minus the soldiers and truncheons). You have to be tough on secessionists.
    He’s not being tough, he’s being fair

    The question was asked and answered

    You don’t get a do-over

    The Spanish are just thugs
    If a majority of the
    It’s a decision for Westminster. There are plenty of reasons for voting SNP that are not about independence
    You mean, like their awesome track record of competence on transport, education and healthcare?
    And don't forget our Police, criminal justice and Fire Service.
    Not that the rest of the UK is much better run. Today's Marmot report is pretty damaging. This is a good summary, 10 years on from the original much has got worse:

    https://twitter.com/foxinsoxuk/status/1232199541123960832?s=09
    The carpet doesn’t match the curtains. Child poverty lower than when tories took office and the “growth” of life expectancy has stalled, not fallen. Life expectancy has increased.
    ONS:
    “Today’s life tables show the slowdown in life expectancy improvements observed since 2011 is continuing. Between 2016 and 2018 we have seen much lower increases than experienced in previous decades. Nevertheless, life expectancy is still increasing.

    “The causes behind the overall slowdown are likely to be complex. As we see another year of low life expectancy improvements, we will continue our work to understand more about the causes behind this.”
  • Alistair said:

    Charles said:

    isam said:

    I mentioned this was happening in Newham last week, and PB was 100% positive about it. Would be a shame if it only started being bad now it’s the SNP
    Honestly I don’t see the problem

    If he was performing is act to the children that would be wrong

    But he’s reading to them for goodness sake. Kids benefit from being read to. Just because someone is a performer who’s act isn’t to everyone’s taste that doesn’t exclude him from making a contribution to society in other ways
    I'm fairly certain the BBC bed time story has been read by actors who have said rude words in other shows.

    Civilisation has not collapsed.
    Its a bit more than "rude words"

    https://twitter.com/dailystar/status/1232211417551507457?s=20
    It’s An abhorrent monstrosity. But I shall say no more in case I end up with a ban.
    I don't think he's that - just i) an inappropriate role model for pupils learning about LGBT and 2) totally inappropriate for 4 year olds.
  • Alistair said:

    Charles said:

    isam said:

    I mentioned this was happening in Newham last week, and PB was 100% positive about it. Would be a shame if it only started being bad now it’s the SNP
    Honestly I don’t see the problem

    If he was performing is act to the children that would be wrong

    But he’s reading to them for goodness sake. Kids benefit from being read to. Just because someone is a performer who’s act isn’t to everyone’s taste that doesn’t exclude him from making a contribution to society in other ways
    I'm fairly certain the BBC bed time story has been read by actors who have said rude words in other shows.

    Civilisation has not collapsed.
    Its a bit more than "rude words"

    https://twitter.com/dailystar/status/1232211417551507457?s=20
    It’s An abhorrent monstrosity. But I shall say no more in case I end up with a ban.
    I don't think he's that - just i) an inappropriate role model for pupils learning about LGBT and 2) totally inappropriate for 4 year olds.
    They were getting a story read - that is 100% appropriate for 4 year olds.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868

    IanB2 said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Dura_Ace said:



    Does anyone contest that it's very hard to maintain a healthy vegan diet?

    Vegetarian, no problem - vegan, very hard to get all the required nutrients.

    Am I wrong?

    Yes, you're wrong. It's time consuming as one has to plan ahead and prepare almost every meal from scratch with fresh ingredients but it is, by no means, "very hard".

    I'm 52 and weigh the same as I did when I was 21. I highly doubt that would be the case if I were subscribing to the morally bankrupt religion of carnism.
    Most diets are effective simply due to discipline. The rest is confirmation bias.

    And most vegans don't stay that way. They go back to a balanced diet. Due to (err) health reasons.
    .
    There is nothing wrong with saturated fat.
    In small proportions that is true, but the high saturated fat, high carbohydrate diet of most Britons is a major cause of disease.
    No. The biggest problem is sugar.

    Obesity increased massively in the U.S. and the U.K. when 'low fat' diets emerged. I assume the stupidity of people and clever marketing strategy was that if you eat fat it must make you fat. Right? Wrong.

    Sugar is what causes most obesity. And that's a big big money maker.
    Sugar consumption in the uk has declined fairly steadily since the 1960s. As obesity has increased.
    Have you got stats on that? A cursory Google throws up a fair few rising graphs for sugar consumption through to the current day
    No he hasn't. It's one of the worst pieces of disinformation I've ever seen on this forum.

    Sugar consumption is increasing.

    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/839756/Sugar_reduction_yr2_progress_report.pdf

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/sep/20/britons-consuming-more-sugar-despite-tax-and-anti-obesity-drive
    A couple of times I've tried giving up sugar completely, as best you can. It is clearly an addictive substance as the first few days are really tough, but after that it becomes easier as I found I no longer had much attraction for sugary snacks. Needless to say, it was a very effective way of losing weight.
  • Alistair said:

    Charles said:

    isam said:

    I mentioned this was happening in Newham last week, and PB was 100% positive about it. Would be a shame if it only started being bad now it’s the SNP
    Honestly I don’t see the problem

    If he was performing is act to the children that would be wrong

    But he’s reading to them for goodness sake. Kids benefit from being read to. Just because someone is a performer who’s act isn’t to everyone’s taste that doesn’t exclude him from making a contribution to society in other ways
    I'm fairly certain the BBC bed time story has been read by actors who have said rude words in other shows.

    Civilisation has not collapsed.
    Its a bit more than "rude words"

    https://twitter.com/dailystar/status/1232211417551507457?s=20
    So long as he's not performing sex acts in front of kids, who gives a flying f**k?
    Some of the 4 year old's parents and the council.
  • Mr. Divvie, you're upset you had to wait a few years longer for Scotland to leave the EU?

    Understandable.

    I resent having major decisions imposed on my country by the politicians and voters of another country. I realise being able to choose EU membership for my country isn't the same order of magnitude as you poor lambs not having powerful enough toasters, but still..
  • Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Dura_Ace said:



    Does anyone contest that it's very hard to maintain a healthy vegan diet?

    Vegetarian, no problem - vegan, very hard to get all the required nutrients.

    Am I wrong?

    Yes, you're wrong. It's time consuming as one has to plan ahead and prepare almost every meal from scratch with fresh ingredients but it is, by no means, "very hard".

    I'm 52 and weigh the same as I did when I was 21. I highly doubt that would be the case if I were subscribing to the morally bankrupt religion of carnism.
    I'm older than you. I've lost 5kg and 4 cm off my waist in a year. I'm fitter, faster and lifting more in the gym than I was 10 years ago. Just walked my fitness test and BA Reacreditation when some half my age have struggled. As you say, food planning and prep is key, but by no means a problem. I just feel generally healthier, physically and mentally and as long as you keep off the processed meat substitutes it's cheap as well. The ethical side is a happy bonus too.
    Most diets are effective simply due to discipline. The rest is confirmation bias.

    And most vegans don't stay that way. They go back to a balanced diet. Due to (err) health reasons.
    I am not a vegan, more a flexitarian, but undeniably a vegan diet is a healthy, low saturated fat, high fiber one, particularly if avoiding processed meat substitutes. It isn't even that difficult after a few weeks adjustment and looking at labels. I am glad that mainstream restaurants now cater for vegans, and are integrating items in their menus.
    There is nothing wrong with saturated fat.
    In small proportions that is true, but the high saturated fat, high carbohydrate diet of most Britons is a major cause of disease.
    No. The biggest problem is sugar.

    Obesity increased massively in the U.S. and the U.K. when 'low fat' diets emerged. I assume the stupidity of people and clever marketing strategy was that if you eat fat it must make you fat. Right? Wrong.

    Sugar is what causes most obesity. And that's a big big money maker.
    Sugar consumption in the uk has declined fairly steadily since the 1960s. As obesity has increased.
    citation required
    Might be behind a paywall:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/01/06/childhood-obesity-not-spiralling-four-inconvenient-facts-anti/
  • Alistair said:

    Charles said:

    isam said:

    I mentioned this was happening in Newham last week, and PB was 100% positive about it. Would be a shame if it only started being bad now it’s the SNP
    Honestly I don’t see the problem

    If he was performing is act to the children that would be wrong

    But he’s reading to them for goodness sake. Kids benefit from being read to. Just because someone is a performer who’s act isn’t to everyone’s taste that doesn’t exclude him from making a contribution to society in other ways
    I'm fairly certain the BBC bed time story has been read by actors who have said rude words in other shows.

    Civilisation has not collapsed.
    Its a bit more than "rude words"

    https://twitter.com/dailystar/status/1232211417551507457?s=20
    So long as he's not performing sex acts in front of kids, who gives a flying f**k?
    Some of the 4 year old's parents and the council.
    So not the kids? The kids are perfectly fine being read to?

    Those parents need to get the stick out of their arse.
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Dura_Ace said:



    Does anyone contest that it's very hard to maintain a healthy vegan diet?

    Vegetarian, no problem - vegan, very hard to get all the required nutrients.

    Am I wrong?

    Most diets are effective simply due to discipline. The rest is confirmation bias.

    And most vegans don't stay that way. They go back to a balanced diet. Due to (err) health reasons.
    .
    There is nothing wrong with saturated fat.
    In small proportions that is true, but the high saturated fat, high carbohydrate diet of most Britons is a major cause of disease.
    No. The biggest problem is sugar.

    Obesity increased massively in the U.S. and the U.K. when 'low fat' diets emerged. I assume the stupidity of people and clever marketing strategy was that if you eat fat it must make you fat. Right? Wrong.

    Sugar is what causes most obesity. And that's a big big money maker.
    Sugar consumption in the uk has declined fairly steadily since the 1960s. As obesity has increased.
    Have you got stats on that? A cursory Google throws up a fair few rising graphs for sugar consumption through to the current day
    No he hasn't. It's one of the worst pieces of disinformation I've ever seen on this forum.

    Sugar consumption is increasing.

    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/839756/Sugar_reduction_yr2_progress_report.pdf

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/sep/20/britons-consuming-more-sugar-despite-tax-and-anti-obesity-drive
    A couple of times I've tried giving up sugar completely, as best you can. It is clearly an addictive substance as the first few days are really tough, but after that it becomes easier as I found I no longer had much attraction for sugary snacks. Needless to say, it was a very effective way of losing weight.
    With you 100%. I gave up all forms of fizzy drink, which was pretty tough to start with but they are nearly all stuffed full of sugar. And the 'diet' ones contain fructose type substitutes which I don't trust.
  • IanB2 said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Dura_Ace said:



    Does anyone contest that it's very hard to maintain a healthy vegan diet?

    Vegetarian, no problem - vegan, very hard to get all the required nutrients.

    Am I wrong?

    Yes, you're wrong. It's time consuming as one has to plan ahead and prepare almost every meal from scratch with fresh ingredients but it is, by no means, "very hard".

    I'm 52 and weigh the same as I did when I was 21. I highly doubt that would be the case if I were subscribing to the morally bankrupt religion of carnism.
    Most diets are effective simply due to discipline. The rest is confirmation bias.

    And most vegans don't stay that way. They go back to a balanced diet. Due to (err) health reasons.
    .
    There is nothing wrong with saturated fat.
    In small proportions that is true, but the high saturated fat, high carbohydrate diet of most Britons is a major cause of disease.
    No. The biggest problem is sugar.

    Obesity increased massively in the U.S. and the U.K. when 'low fat' diets emerged. I assume the stupidity of people and clever marketing strategy was that if you eat fat it must make you fat. Right? Wrong.

    Sugar is what causes most obesity. And that's a big big money maker.
    Sugar consumption in the uk has declined fairly steadily since the 1960s. As obesity has increased.
    Have you got stats on that? A cursory Google throws up a fair few rising graphs for sugar consumption through to the current day
    No he hasn't. It's one of the worst pieces of disinformation I've ever seen on this forum.

    Sugar consumption is increasing.

    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/839756/Sugar_reduction_yr2_progress_report.pdf

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/sep/20/britons-consuming-more-sugar-despite-tax-and-anti-obesity-drive
    What you say might be true, but neither of those reports mention anything about historical trends.
  • Nigelb said:
    All Trump is worried about is the stock market! But in a country where simply getting tested can set you back $1400 I suspect they're in for a nasty shock.

    Meanwhile the Singapore numbers look encouraging - cases 90, deaths 0, recovered 53
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    edited February 2020

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Dura_Ace said:



    Does anyone contest that it's very hard to maintain a healthy vegan diet?

    Vegetarian, no problem - vegan, very hard to get all the required nutrients.

    Am I wrong?

    Yes, you're wrong. It's time consuming as one has to plan ahead and prepare almost every meal from scratch with fresh ingredients but it is, by no means, "very hard".

    I'm 52 and weigh the same as I did when I was 21. I highly doubt that would be the case if I were subscribing to the morally bankrupt religion of carnism.
    I'm older than you. I've lost 5kg and 4 cm off my waist in a year. I'm fitter, faster and lifting more in the gym than I was 10 years ago. Just walked my fitness test and BA Reacreditation when some half my age have struggled. As you say, food planning and prep is key, but by no means a problem. I just feel generally healthier, physically and mentally and as long as you keep off the processed meat substitutes it's cheap as well. The ethical side is a happy bonus too.
    Most diets are effective simply due to discipline. The rest is confirmation bias.

    And most vegans don't stay that way. They go back to a balanced diet. Due to (err) health reasons.
    .
    There is nothing wrong with saturated fat.
    In small proportions that is true, but the high saturated fat, high carbohydrate diet of most Britons is a major cause of disease.

    Sugar is what causes most obesity. And that's a big big money maker.
    Sugar consumption in the uk has declined fairly steadily since the 1960s. As obesity has increased.
    citation required
    Might be behind a paywall:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/01/06/childhood-obesity-not-spiralling-four-inconvenient-facts-anti/
    That's an opinion piece by Christopher Snowdon who is hand-in-glove with some of the least healthy industries around, including tobacco. https://www.tobaccotactics.org/index.php/Christopher_Snowdon

    Amongst his many campaigns on behalf of these industries was his vehement opposition to 'plain packaging.'

    All Government research shows a rising consumption of sugar in the UK.

    This is a big, powerful, industry.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Alistair said:

    Charles said:

    isam said:

    I mentioned this was happening in Newham last week, and PB was 100% positive about it. Would be a shame if it only started being bad now it’s the SNP
    Honestly I don’t see the problem

    If he was performing is act to the children that would be wrong

    But he’s reading to them for goodness sake. Kids benefit from being read to. Just because someone is a performer who’s act isn’t to everyone’s taste that doesn’t exclude him from making a contribution to society in other ways
    I'm fairly certain the BBC bed time story has been read by actors who have said rude words in other shows.

    Civilisation has not collapsed.
    Its a bit more than "rude words"

    https://twitter.com/dailystar/status/1232211417551507457?s=20
    So long as he's not performing sex acts in front of kids, who gives a flying f**k?
    Some of the 4 year old's parents and the council.
    So not the kids? The kids are perfectly fine being read to?

    Those parents need to get the stick out of their arse.
    If you think an adequate test of what you should do to a 4 year old is what the 4 year old is "perfectly fine with" I hope to God you aren't a parent.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609

    Mr. Divvie, you're upset you had to wait a few years longer for Scotland to leave the EU?

    Understandable.

    I resent having major decisions imposed on my country by the politicians and voters of another country. I realise being able to choose EU membership for my country isn't the same order of magnitude as you poor lambs not having powerful enough toasters, but still..
    Except, your own voters decided in 2014 that we aren't "another country", but one and the same country.
  • Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Dura_Ace said:



    Does anyone contest that it's very hard to maintain a healthy vegan diet?

    Vegetarian, no problem - vegan, very hard to get all the required nutrients.

    Am I wrong?

    Yes, you're wrong. It's time consuming as one has to plan ahead and prepare almost every meal from scratch with fresh ingredients but it is, by no means, "very hard".

    I'm 52 and weigh the same as I did when I was 21. I highly doubt that would be the case if I were subscribing to the morally bankrupt religion of carnism.
    I'm older than you. I've lost 5kg and 4 cm off my waist in a year. I'm fitter, faster and lifting more in the gym than I was 10 years ago. Just walked my fitness test and BA Reacreditation when some half my age have struggled. As you say, food planning and prep is key, but by no means a problem. I just feel generally healthier, physically and mentally and as long as you keep off the processed meat substitutes it's cheap as well. The ethical side is a happy bonus too.
    Most diets are effective simply due to discipline. The rest is confirmation bias.

    And most vegans don't stay that way. They go back to a balanced diet. Due to (err) health reasons.
    .
    There is nothing wrong with saturated fat.
    In small proportions that is true, but the high saturated fat, high carbohydrate diet of most Britons is a major cause of disease.

    Sugar is what causes most obesity. And that's a big big money maker.
    Sugar consumption in the uk has declined fairly steadily since the 1960s. As obesity has increased.
    citation required
    Might be behind a paywall:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/01/06/childhood-obesity-not-spiralling-four-inconvenient-facts-anti/
    That's an opinion piece by Christopher Snowdon who is hand-in-glove with some of the least healthy industries around, including tobacco. https://www.tobaccotactics.org/index.php/Christopher_Snowdon

    All Government research shows a rising consumption of sugar in the UK.

    This is a big, powerful, industry.
    The big money is in public funding.
    Here is the evidence.
    https://www.helgilibrary.com/indicators/sugar-consumption-per-capita/united-kingdom/
  • Alistair said:

    Charles said:

    isam said:

    I mentioned this was happening in Newham last week, and PB was 100% positive about it. Would be a shame if it only started being bad now it’s the SNP
    Honestly I don’t see the problem

    If he was performing is act to the children that would be wrong

    But he’s reading to them for goodness sake. Kids benefit from being read to. Just because someone is a performer who’s act isn’t to everyone’s taste that doesn’t exclude him from making a contribution to society in other ways
    I'm fairly certain the BBC bed time story has been read by actors who have said rude words in other shows.

    Civilisation has not collapsed.
    Its a bit more than "rude words"

    https://twitter.com/dailystar/status/1232211417551507457?s=20
    So long as he's not performing sex acts in front of kids, who gives a flying f**k?
    Some of the 4 year old's parents and the council.
    Those parents need to get the stick out of their arse.
    This SNP MSP too?

    https://twitter.com/glasgowcathcart/status/1232053816989753345?s=20
  • Mr. Divvie, the majority of Scots chose to be part of the UK.

    I do have some sympathy with certain arguments for a second referendum, but the SNP would be bleating for that come what may. Indeed, they were. What would be a more powerful line would be asking for one after we've left the EU and have the agreement sorted (or not, if there isn't one) as that represents a material change in circumstances.

    Instead, the day ends in a Y, which makes the case for Scottish independence. The sky is blue, clearly indicating God wants Scotland to separate. And so on, and so on.
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    Food and Obesity

    IEA Funding Source is “Irrelevant”
    In August 2014, the IEA released a report on obesity written by Snowdon, entitled The Fat Lie. [15] In a Channel 4 News interview about the report, Snowdon was pressed about the IEA’s funding and whether the think-tank received food industry money, however Snowdon said he did not know. He then added that it was “irrelevant” whether the IEA was taking food industry money or not.[16]
    Report Dismissed as “Laughable Nonsense”
    The obesity report was dismissed as “laughable nonsense which flies in the face of 50 years of science,” by nutrition expert, Dr Aseem Malhotra, a cardiologist from the Academy of Medical Royal Colleges, as well “completely wrong” by Professor Mike Lean, Chair of Human Nutrition at the University of Glasgow. [16]

    Against the Soft Drinks Industry Levy

    Snowdon is a prominent opponent of the UK Soft Drink Industry Levy (SDIL), a tax on sugar-sweetened beverages set to take effect in the UK in April 2018. The revenues from the levy are earmarked for school breakfast clubs and school sports activities to help fight childhood obesity.[17]
    "People Against the Sugar Tax"
    Snowdon is a former Executive Board member of the so-called “grassroots campaign” against the SDIL, People Against Sugar Tax alongside amongst others Alex Deane, and Annunziata Rees-Mogg, the sister of Conservative politician, Jacob Rees-Mogg. [18] [19]
    The IEA and Sugar

    Snowdon has also opposed the levy in briefing papers and reports for the Institute of Economic Affairs, and has described the policy as an “eye-catching but ill-considered gimmick”.[21][22][23]
    The IEA labelled the UK as “the biggest nanny state in the EU” due to the SDIL.[20]
    IEA Refuses To Disclose Whether it Receives Food and Drink Money
    The IEA refuses to disclose whether it receives funding from the food and soft drinks industry.[24]
    IEA's Past Funding from the Food and Drinks Industry

    Spectator Columns on Sugar
    Snowdon has also written numerous opinion pieces opposing a sugar tax for Spectator Health [26][27][28]
    Velvet Glove Articles on Sugar
    Snowdon has also written on the sugar tax on his blog, Velvet Glove Velvet Glove, Iron Fist. Some examples include:
    “The case against the Case Against Sugar” [29]
    “A world of pure imagination” [30]
    “Glantz’s sugar conspiracy” C. Snowdon, Glantz’s sugar conspiracy, Velvet Glove, Iron Fist, 15 September 2016, accessed July 2017
    “A sugar tax is just the start” [31]
    Denigrates Public Health Scientists

    Like other pro-smoking bloggers, such as Simon Clark and Martin Cullip, Snowdon has publically criticised leading tobacco control scientists by referring to them as “zealots”[32] and “extremists”.[33]


    https://www.tobaccotactics.org/index.php/Christopher_Snowdon

    Charming guy
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    "A letter to the IEA’s supporters suggests that it has received donations from a range of food and soft drinks companies such as Coca-Cola, Tesco, Unilever, and Tate & Lyle, amongst others, in the past.[25]"

    https://www.tobaccotactics.org/index.php/Christopher_Snowdon
  • IshmaelZ said:

    Alistair said:

    Charles said:

    isam said:

    I mentioned this was happening in Newham last week, and PB was 100% positive about it. Would be a shame if it only started being bad now it’s the SNP
    Honestly I don’t see the problem

    If he was performing is act to the children that would be wrong

    But he’s reading to them for goodness sake. Kids benefit from being read to. Just because someone is a performer who’s act isn’t to everyone’s taste that doesn’t exclude him from making a contribution to society in other ways
    I'm fairly certain the BBC bed time story has been read by actors who have said rude words in other shows.

    Civilisation has not collapsed.
    Its a bit more than "rude words"

    https://twitter.com/dailystar/status/1232211417551507457?s=20
    So long as he's not performing sex acts in front of kids, who gives a flying f**k?
    Some of the 4 year old's parents and the council.
    So not the kids? The kids are perfectly fine being read to?

    Those parents need to get the stick out of their arse.
    If you think an adequate test of what you should do to a 4 year old is what the 4 year old is "perfectly fine with" I hope to God you aren't a parent.
    I am a parent of a 3 year old and a 5 year old and I'd be 100% happy for my own children to hear a children's story read to them by someone in drag.

    What is your objection? His private life, the children's story, or the drag?

    Private life is private and I'm educated and capable enough to distinguish between the two.
  • Food and Obesity

    IEA Funding Source is “Irrelevant”
    In August 2014, the IEA released a report on obesity written by Snowdon, entitled The Fat Lie. [15] In a Channel 4 News interview about the report, Snowdon was pressed about the IEA’s funding and whether the think-tank received food industry money, however Snowdon said he did not know. He then added that it was “irrelevant” whether the IEA was taking food industry money or not.[16]
    Report Dismissed as “Laughable Nonsense”
    The obesity report was dismissed as “laughable nonsense which flies in the face of 50 years of science,” by nutrition expert, Dr Aseem Malhotra, a cardiologist from the Academy of Medical Royal Colleges, as well “completely wrong” by Professor Mike Lean, Chair of Human Nutrition at the University of Glasgow. [16]

    Againstked for school breakfast clubs and school sports activities to help fight childhood obesity.[17]
    "People Against the Sugar Tax"
    Snowdon is a former Executive Board member of the so-called “grassroots campaign” against the SDIL, People Against Sugar Tax alongside amongst others Alex Deane, and Annunziata Rees-Mogg, the sister of Conservative politician, Jacob Rees-Mogg. [18] [19]
    The IEA and Sugar

    Snowdon has also opposed the levy in briefing papers and reports for the Institute of Economic Affairs, and has described the policy as an “eye-catching but ill-considered gimmick”.[21][22][23]
    The IEA labelled the UK as “the biggest nanny state in the EU” due to the SDIL.[20]
    IEA Refuses To Disclose Whether it Receives Food and Drink Money
    The IEA refuses to disclose whether it receives funding from the food and soft drinks industry.[24]
    IEA's Past Funding from the Food and Drinks Industry

    Spectator Columns on Sugar
    Snowdon has also written numerous opinion pieces opposing a sugar tax for Spectator Health [26][27][28]
    Velvet Glove Articles on Sugar
    Snowdon has also written on the sugar tax on his blog, Velvet Glove Velvet Glove, Iron Fist. Some examples include:
    “The case against the Case Against Sugar” [29]
    “A world of pure imagination” [30]
    “Glantz’s sugar conspiracy” C. Snowdon, Glantz’s sugar conspiracy, Velvet Glove, Iron Fist, 15 September 2016, accessed July 2017
    “A sugar tax is just the start” [31]
    Denigrates Public Health Scientists

    Like other pro-smoking bloggers, such as Simon Clark and Martin Cullip, Snowdon has publically criticised leading tobacco control scientists by referring to them as “zealots”[32] and “extremists”.[33]


    https://www.tobaccotactics.org/index.php/Christopher_Snowdon

    Charming guy

    Maybe. But he called out the child obesity panic. And in sugar consumption he is bang on. Show me a table / graph of sugar consumption the defies my claim that sugar consumption has steadily decreased over the last sixty years.
  • Alistair said:

    Charles said:

    isam said:

    I mentioned this was happening in Newham last week, and PB was 100% positive about it. Would be a shame if it only started being bad now it’s the SNP
    Honestly I don’t see the problem

    If he was performing is act to the children that would be wrong

    But he’s reading to them for goodness sake. Kids benefit from being read to. Just because someone is a performer who’s act isn’t to everyone’s taste that doesn’t exclude him from making a contribution to society in other ways
    I'm fairly certain the BBC bed time story has been read by actors who have said rude words in other shows.

    Civilisation has not collapsed.
    Its a bit more than "rude words"

    https://twitter.com/dailystar/status/1232211417551507457?s=20
    So long as he's not performing sex acts in front of kids, who gives a flying f**k?
    Some of the 4 year old's parents and the council.
    Those parents need to get the stick out of their arse.
    This SNP MSP too?

    https://twitter.com/glasgowcathcart/status/1232053816989753345?s=20
    Yes. Him too. I don't see why you think it matters about party politics, I'm a Tory not SNP so what difference does that make?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,148

    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    Charles said:

    eadric said:

    DavidL said:

    eadric said:

    Alistair said:

    FF43 said:

    Nicola Sturgeon does sound quite fed up. If she's no longer interested, it's probably a bad sign.

    Broken.

    By.

    Boris.
    Boris seems to be doing Nicola's bidding at the moment. He should have agreed to have an immediate referendum. It would have destroyed the SNP.
    Even if that were true, and it isn’t, it’s practically impossible for the UK govt to allow a Scottish referendum while negox are ongoing with the EU about Brexit.

    For instance, the EU would rightly say, Do these Fisheries agreements apply to Scottish waters given that Scotland may be independent in ten weeks? What could the UK say?

    There won’t be an indyref 2 until the late 2020s, at the earliest
    Not sure about that although I would like it to be true. If the SNP and their little green helpers win a majority in the Scottish elections ty. Without it its just not happening.
    You don’t get Boris. He’s just gonna say No. London has learned from Madrid (minus the soldiers and truncheons). You have to be tough on secessionists.
    He’s not being tough, he’s being fair

    The question was asked and answered

    You don’t get a do-over

    The Spanish are just thugs
    If a majority of the Scottish people vote for parties committed to a referendum in 2021 then they are entitled to a "do-over" regardless of what any politician might have said at the time. It is a decision for the Scottish people, not the SNP or Boris. I of course will be doing my modest bit to stop that from happening but ignoring such a vote isn't tough, its undemocratic, stupid and damaging.
    2014 was in Salmond's own words 'a once in a generation referendum', No to independence won and the Tories won the general election with a manifesto commitment to no indyref2 for their full term, so Boris will block indyref2 whatever happens next year at Holyrood.

    I agree. I suppose the ONLY justification for repeating a vote is Brexit?
    And it will not be for 10 years until we know how Brexit turned out, if we have a trade deal with the EU, are in WTO terms or back in the single market
  • Mr. Divvie, you're upset you had to wait a few years longer for Scotland to leave the EU?

    Understandable.

    I resent having major decisions imposed on my country by the politicians and voters of another country. I realise being able to choose EU membership for my country isn't the same order of magnitude as you poor lambs not having powerful enough toasters, but still..
    Except, your own voters decided in 2014 that we aren't "another country", but one and the same country.
    If only you were even slightly well known, you telling Scots that Scotland isn't a country would do wonders for the cause.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,148
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    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Went to see Hamilton last night with my partner, great performance and Chuka Umunna was in the audience too with his wife

    I trust you told him of all the time you had spent tipping him as next PM.
    No, left him in peace.

    Cities of London and Westminster is now the 14th LD target seat though so would not rule out his return at the next general election
  • HYUFD said:

    Went to see Hamilton last night with my partner, great performance and Chuka Umunna was in the audience too with his wife

    For a second there I thought you were referring to the Accies!
  • I stopped drinking coke overnight.

    Turns out quitting fizzy drink is easy with the right motivation (I had something of a medical problem that made me somewhat improve my diet [it wasn't atrocious, but had room for improvement]). All you need is some stabbing pain.
  • IshmaelZ said:

    Alistair said:

    Charles said:

    isam said:

    I mentioned this was happening in Newham last week, and PB was 100% positive about it. Would be a shame if it only started being bad now it’s the SNP
    Honestly I don’t see the problem

    If he was performing is act to the children that would be wrong

    But he’s reading to them for goodness sake. Kids benefit from being read to. Just because someone is a performer who’s act isn’t to everyone’s taste that doesn’t exclude him from making a contribution to society in other ways
    I'm fairly certain the BBC bed time story has been read by actors who have said rude words in other shows.

    Civilisation has not collapsed.
    Its a bit more than "rude words"

    https://twitter.com/dailystar/status/1232211417551507457?s=20
    So long as he's not performing sex acts in front of kids, who gives a flying f**k?
    Some of the 4 year old's parents and the council.
    So not the kids? The kids are perfectly fine being read to?

    Those parents need to get the stick out of their arse.
    If you think an adequate test of what you should do to a 4 year old is what the 4 year old is "perfectly fine with" I hope to God you aren't a parent.
    I am a parent of a 3 year old and a 5 year old and I'd be 100% happy for my own children to hear a children's story read to them by someone in drag.

    What is your objection? His private life, the children's story, or the drag?

    Private life is private and I'm educated and capable enough to distinguish between the two.
    I think the issue is there's 'drag' and then there's 'drag'. we're all used to pantomime dames and the like, and I think most people would consider that 'family friendly',

    Then there's highly sexualised adult drag acts. The question is which is any elements of the second were presented.
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