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edited February 2020 in General

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Hey all,The media hysteria about my old stuff online is mad but I wanted to help HMG not be a distraction. Accordingly I’ve decided to resign as a contractor. I hope no.10 hires more ppl w/ good geopolitical forecasting track records & that media learn to stop selective quoting

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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,678
    edited February 2020
    Lock him up.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Lock him up.

    Sterilize him.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,678
    edited February 2020
    In another too many tweets make a tw@ news.

    https://twitter.com/Bencjacobs/status/1229500344046161921
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,652
    Give the job to SeanT
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    Third like Eadric?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    BBC - don’t forget Line of Duty
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,678
    IanB2 said:

    BBC - don’t forget Line of Duty

    Or Sherlock, or Doctor Who.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    In another too many tweets make a tw@ news.

    https://twitter.com/Bencjacobs/status/1229500344046161921

    That doesn’t seem a smart approach from camp Bloomberg. Why give airtime to your rival’s talking points?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,482
    Crappy Beeb dramas:
    Poirot with Pascal Sauvage from Jonny English
    A Christmas Carol
    Recent Dr Who (not the fault of Jody Whittaker who is good imo)

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,148
    20 minutes in and Labour debate now onto trans rights
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609
    Luckyguy1983 said:

    Crappy Beeb dramas:
    Poirot with Pascal Sauvage from Jonny English
    A Christmas Carol
    Recent Dr Who (not the fault of Jody Whittaker who is good imo)

    Jody Whittaker cannot run.

    It is the first thing in the Dr. Who job description:

    1. Ability to run away without looking like a five year old....
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    edited February 2020
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    IanB2 said:

    BBC - don’t forget Line of Duty

    Or Sherlock, or Doctor Who.
    Doctor Who? Seriously?

    I'd rather have some decent SciFi sorry. Again 10 episodes a season but frequently with a 2 year gap between seasons.

    Americans manage 24 episodes a season annually on many of their shows.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    HYUFD said:

    20 minutes in and Labour debate now onto trans rights

    Its all they talk about on the doorsteps of Salford.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,148
    MarqueeMark said:

    Third question about trans rights......

    Economy, maybe guys, you know, stuff that is going to sway Labour --> Tory voters?

    For the key Labour-Green swing voters though...
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    IanB2 said:

    BBC - don’t forget Line of Duty

    Or Sherlock, or Doctor Who.
    I enjoyed World on Fire last year. A lot of people tell me Giri/Haji was really good, although I never got round to it. Mrs Wilson was Ok, if a bit slow. Fleabag. Blue Planet.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424
    AlastairMeeks said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Sabisky has resigned

    About bloody time.
    Disagree, he should never have been appointed. He stands as a monument to Cummings’ stupidity, arrogance and atrocious judgment.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,652
    ydoethur said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Sabisky has resigned

    About bloody time.
    Disagree, he should never have been appointed. He stands as a monument to Cummings’ stupidity, arrogance and atrocious judgment.
    Let it be noted that you were right about Cummings, again.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,482
    RobD said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    RobD said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    Casino_Royale said:


    Then you've misread my comments. I made no statement on believing in eugenics. In fact, quite the contrary. Yet alone wish it to return to vogue.

    I agree with the environment and nutrition points but that wouldn't address some genetic factors that lead to unpleasant diseases and illnesses.

    The good news is that gene editing (note: not eugenics) might provide a solution there as we could manipulate DNA and code to get there rather than relying on stigmatism, sterilisation and termination (although there are ethical issues there too) and access to this might largely be restricted by wealth.

    I see. Genetic predisposition toward diseases is an interesting subject that I know nothing about. Given the right conditions, nobody should have a predisposition to a disease - at least not one that comes to anything.
    I thought there were genetic markers that indicated increase chance of getting certain types of cancer, for example.
    Yes, there are. But given that some get away with never getting it despite having the marker, it's more a shared vulnerability isn't it? Something that causes the cancer, causes it particularly much in you if you have that marker. Like being tall. Being tall is a marker for bashing your head if you don't duck when passing low beams. It is not something that you would want to edit out of your genetic code per se.
    Yeah, not everyone gets cancer, but it has been shown that if you have this marker you are more at risk. Doesn't that suggest there are genetic predisposition to diseases?
    Yes. But potentially only in today's world. One doesn't evolve a predisposition to a disease does one? How could that happen? We live in a far more disease prone world than we used to. Modern medicine masks that. The first recorded heart attack in America was in the 1920's.
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    Poor chap. If he wanted a backlog of crazy personal views to be not only excused, but passionately defended, he should have run for Labour leader instead...
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    Philip_Thompson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    IanB2 said:

    BBC - don’t forget Line of Duty

    Or Sherlock, or Doctor Who.
    Doctor Who? Seriously?

    I'd rather have some decent SciFi sorry. Again 10 episodes a season but frequently with a 2 year gap between seasons.

    Americans manage 24 episodes a season annually on many of their shows.
    Dr Who is children’s tv, surely?
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    This aged well:

    https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2020/02/why-number-10-arent-backing-down-over-andrew-sabisky/
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    Philip_Thompson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    IanB2 said:

    BBC - don’t forget Line of Duty

    Or Sherlock, or Doctor Who.
    Doctor Who? Seriously?

    I'd rather have some decent SciFi sorry. Again 10 episodes a season but frequently with a 2 year gap between seasons.

    Americans manage 24 episodes a season annually on many of their shows.
    The Americans churn them out until they become so dreadful that everyone loses interest.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609
    AlastairMeeks said:

    This aged well:

    https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2020/02/why-number-10-arent-backing-down-over-andrew-sabisky/

    They didn't back down.

    Sabisky resigned.
  • speedy2speedy2 Posts: 981
    MarqueeMark said:

    Third question about trans rights......

    Economy, maybe guys, you know, stuff that is going to sway Labour --> Tory voters?

    It's Channel 4.

    It could be worse, it could've been Channel 5.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    IanB2 said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    IanB2 said:

    BBC - don’t forget Line of Duty

    Or Sherlock, or Doctor Who.
    Doctor Who? Seriously?

    I'd rather have some decent SciFi sorry. Again 10 episodes a season but frequently with a 2 year gap between seasons.

    Americans manage 24 episodes a season annually on many of their shows.
    The Americans churn them out until they become so dreadful that everyone loses interest.
    100 episodes of greatness followed by some crap is better than 6 decent episodes but then no followup.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    MarqueeMark said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    This aged well:

    https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2020/02/why-number-10-arent-backing-down-over-andrew-sabisky/

    They didn't back down.

    Sabisky resigned.
    Yeah, right.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,482
    IanB2 said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    IanB2 said:

    BBC - don’t forget Line of Duty

    Or Sherlock, or Doctor Who.
    Doctor Who? Seriously?

    I'd rather have some decent SciFi sorry. Again 10 episodes a season but frequently with a 2 year gap between seasons.

    Americans manage 24 episodes a season annually on many of their shows.
    The Americans churn them out until they become so dreadful that everyone loses interest.
    Meanwhile, they've made a vast pile of money.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935
    Luckyguy1983 said:

    RobD said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    RobD said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    Casino_Royale said:


    Then you've misread my comments. I made no statement on believing in eugenics. In fact, quite the contrary. Yet alone wish it to return to vogue.

    I agree with the environment and nutrition points but that wouldn't address some genetic factors that lead to unpleasant diseases and illnesses.

    The good news is that gene editing (note: not eugenics) might provide a solution there as we could manipulate DNA and code to get there rather than relying on stigmatism, sterilisation and termination (although there are ethical issues there too) and access to this might largely be restricted by wealth.

    I see. Genetic predisposition toward diseases is an interesting subject that I know nothing about. Given the right conditions, nobody should have a predisposition to a disease - at least not one that comes to anything.
    I thought there were genetic markers that indicated increase chance of getting certain types of cancer, for example.
    Yes, there are. But given that some get away with never getting it despite having the marker, it's more a shared vulnerability isn't it? Something that causes the cancer, causes it particularly much in you if you have that marker. Like being tall. Being tall is a marker for bashing your head if you don't duck when passing low beams. It is not something that you would want to edit out of your genetic code per se.
    Yeah, not everyone gets cancer, but it has been shown that if you have this marker you are more at risk. Doesn't that suggest there are genetic predisposition to diseases?
    Yes. But potentially only in today's world. One doesn't evolve a predisposition to a disease does one? How could that happen? We live in a far more disease prone world than we used to. Modern medicine masks that. The first recorded heart attack in America was in the 1920's.
    They do, because it has happened. Evolution is due to random mutations, some good, some bad. As for heart attacks, I sincerely doubt that that was the first ever heart attack.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,652
    BluestBlue said:

    Poor chap. If he wanted a backlog of crazy personal views to be not only excused, but passionately defended, he should have run for Labour leader instead...

    From "a somewhat heavy-handed idea ... I do approve of the shock value" to "crazy personal views". Do you blow with the wind as quick?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424
    EPG said:

    ydoethur said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Sabisky has resigned

    About bloody time.
    Disagree, he should never have been appointed. He stands as a monument to Cummings’ stupidity, arrogance and atrocious judgment.
    Let it be noted that you were right about Cummings, again.
    My legendary modesty forbad me to say it.

    But I did think it. :smiley:
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,148
    Starmer says Labour needs to regain its 'message of opportunity'
  • speedy2speedy2 Posts: 981
    Philip_Thompson said:

    IanB2 said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    IanB2 said:

    BBC - don’t forget Line of Duty

    Or Sherlock, or Doctor Who.
    Doctor Who? Seriously?

    I'd rather have some decent SciFi sorry. Again 10 episodes a season but frequently with a 2 year gap between seasons.

    Americans manage 24 episodes a season annually on many of their shows.
    The Americans churn them out until they become so dreadful that everyone loses interest.
    100 episodes of greatness followed by some crap is better than 6 decent episodes but then no followup.
    I agree, the Americans can produce 100 watchable episodes of anything within 3 years, followed by writers block and repetitions.

    The BBC tried it only once with Allo Allo.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Philip_Thompson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    IanB2 said:

    BBC - don’t forget Line of Duty

    Or Sherlock, or Doctor Who.
    Doctor Who? Seriously?

    I'd rather have some decent SciFi sorry. Again 10 episodes a season but frequently with a 2 year gap between seasons.

    Americans manage 24 episodes a season annually on many of their shows.
    And many of those 24 episodes are filler bollocks.

    The syndication model absolutely destroys many good American shows by forcing them to reach 24 episodes.

    Lots of great 'half season' (10 to 13 episode shows) get picked up and suddenly have to fill 24 episodes.

    One of the best things about the HBO revolution was US shows only having as many episodes as they needed to tell the story and zero filler.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,148
    Nandy wants a 'social license' for business
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    Luckyguy1983 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    IanB2 said:

    BBC - don’t forget Line of Duty

    Or Sherlock, or Doctor Who.
    Doctor Who? Seriously?

    I'd rather have some decent SciFi sorry. Again 10 episodes a season but frequently with a 2 year gap between seasons.

    Americans manage 24 episodes a season annually on many of their shows.
    The Americans churn them out until they become so dreadful that everyone loses interest.
    Meanwhile, they've made a vast pile of money.
    Of course, it makes commercial sense to milk a successful series for every last penny. It’s just a shame when you get a great first season, sometimes a better second, then it goes downhill until things become so ludicrous that you drift away. So many US series have been like that, Homeland now starting its final run being a case in point. Artistically its great that we have classics like Fawlty Towers or This Life that had shortish runs and left people still wanting more.
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    EPG said:

    BluestBlue said:

    Poor chap. If he wanted a backlog of crazy personal views to be not only excused, but passionately defended, he should have run for Labour leader instead...

    From "a somewhat heavy-handed idea ... I do approve of the shock value" to "crazy personal views". Do you blow with the wind as quick?
    I still approve of the shock value, and don't think he should have resigned, simply because we need to break the cancel culture once and for all.

    I threw in the 'crazy views' part now just for an added rhetorical effect in pointing out how being batshit insane is no impediment to leading the Labour Party, so why should it be disqualifying for a mere SpAd? :smiley:
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,148
    Long Bailey pushing her 'industrial strategy'
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424
    HYUFD said:

    Starmer says Labour needs to regain its 'message of opportunity'

    I would have said a ‘message of sanity’ would be a better starting point.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,226
    IanB2 said:

    BBC - don’t forget Line of Duty

    Fleabag. Mum.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    IanB2 said:

    BBC - don’t forget Line of Duty

    Or Sherlock, or Doctor Who.
    Sherlock started well, then it disappeared up its own arse and became self-referential and shite.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    Alistair said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    IanB2 said:

    BBC - don’t forget Line of Duty

    Or Sherlock, or Doctor Who.
    Doctor Who? Seriously?

    I'd rather have some decent SciFi sorry. Again 10 episodes a season but frequently with a 2 year gap between seasons.

    Americans manage 24 episodes a season annually on many of their shows.
    And many of those 24 episodes are filler bollocks.

    The syndication model absolutely destroys many good American shows by forcing them to reach 24 episodes.

    Lots of great 'half season' (10 to 13 episode shows) get picked up and suddenly have to fill 24 episodes.

    One of the best things about the HBO revolution was US shows only having as many episodes as they needed to tell the story and zero filler.
    And the cable and net producers have come up with some shows that stood the long run - Sopranos, Sons of Anarchy, arguably The Wire (although I think this did drift). Yet some long running shows like Vikings still turn into ludicrous parodies of themselves.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Casino_Royale said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    IanB2 said:

    BBC - don’t forget Line of Duty

    Or Sherlock, or Doctor Who.
    Sherlock started well, then it disappeared up its own arse and became self-referential and shite.
    I watch a lot of Daytime TV, so do my parents, and we almost always watch the BBC. It may be rubbish to some people, but I am prepared to say I think a lot of it is very good
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,148
    Nandy says she would scrap the monarchy, Starmer would keep it but downsize it, Long Bailey would also keep it
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,226
    edited February 2020
    Starmer being a bit shouty. Nandy rather low key. RLB winning here for me and by a distance. Rather surprised.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    AlastairMeeks said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    In another too many tweets make a tw@ news.

    https://twitter.com/Bencjacobs/status/1229500344046161921

    That doesn’t seem a smart approach from camp Bloomberg. Why give airtime to your rival’s talking points?
    Because it plays to and reinforces an existing meme that Sanders' people are not really Democrats and would prefer to destroy other Democrats rather than unite behind a candidate who can beat Trump.

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491
    HYUFD said:

    Nandy says she would scrap the monarchy, Starmer would keep it but downsize it, Long Bailey would also keep it

    What exactly did Nandy say?

    Her own personal view but? Or a referendum? Or a republic established as soon as she wins a GE?

    Which one?
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,318
    edited February 2020
    Deleted
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491
    kinabalu said:

    IanB2 said:

    BBC - don’t forget Line of Duty

    Fleabag. Mum.
    Fleabag your mum.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    IanB2 said:

    Alistair said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    IanB2 said:

    BBC - don’t forget Line of Duty

    Or Sherlock, or Doctor Who.
    Doctor Who? Seriously?

    I'd rather have some decent SciFi sorry. Again 10 episodes a season but frequently with a 2 year gap between seasons.

    Americans manage 24 episodes a season annually on many of their shows.
    And many of those 24 episodes are filler bollocks.

    The syndication model absolutely destroys many good American shows by forcing them to reach 24 episodes.

    Lots of great 'half season' (10 to 13 episode shows) get picked up and suddenly have to fill 24 episodes.

    One of the best things about the HBO revolution was US shows only having as many episodes as they needed to tell the story and zero filler.
    And the cable and net producers have come up with some shows that stood the long run - Sopranos, Sons of Anarchy, arguably The Wire (although I think this did drift). Yet some long running shows like Vikings still turn into ludicrous parodies of themselves.
    The Wire was 13 episode seasons, so they produced 2.5 'full' seasons of it over the 5 years.

    Phenomenal show.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,148
    edited February 2020
    kinabalu said:

    Starmer being a bit shouty. Nandy rather low key. RLB winning here for me and by a distance. Rather surprised.

    As a neutral I would say Starmer and Long Bailey both doing OK, Nandy a bit below par and saying she would scrap the monarchy will not help her with Leave voters Labour has lost
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited February 2020
    kinabalu said:

    Starmer being a bit shouty. Nandy rather low key. RLB winning here for me and by a distance. Rather surprised.

    Close your eyes... it's Ed Miliband.

    Blow your nose man!
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Casino_Royale said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    IanB2 said:

    BBC - don’t forget Line of Duty

    Or Sherlock, or Doctor Who.
    Sherlock started well, then it disappeared up its own arse and became self-referential and shite.
    The last season of Sherlock was truly awful.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    TimT said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    In another too many tweets make a tw@ news.

    https://twitter.com/Bencjacobs/status/1229500344046161921

    That doesn’t seem a smart approach from camp Bloomberg. Why give airtime to your rival’s talking points?
    Because it plays to and reinforces an existing meme that Sanders' people are not really Democrats and would prefer to destroy other Democrats rather than unite behind a candidate who can beat Trump.

    Perhaps. Doesn’t invalidate the observations about Michael Bloomberg. Many will simply believe both attack lines.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    HYUFD said:

    kinabalu said:

    Starmer being a bit shouty. Nandy rather low key. RLB winning here for me and by a distance. Rather surprised.

    As a neutral I would say Starmer and Long Bailey both doing OK, Nandy a bit below par and saying she would scrap the monarchy will not help her with Leave voters Labour has lost
    You are the least neutral person I know.
  • speedy2speedy2 Posts: 981
    IanB2 said:

    Alistair said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    IanB2 said:

    BBC - don’t forget Line of Duty

    Or Sherlock, or Doctor Who.
    Doctor Who? Seriously?

    I'd rather have some decent SciFi sorry. Again 10 episodes a season but frequently with a 2 year gap between seasons.

    Americans manage 24 episodes a season annually on many of their shows.
    And many of those 24 episodes are filler bollocks.

    The syndication model absolutely destroys many good American shows by forcing them to reach 24 episodes.

    Lots of great 'half season' (10 to 13 episode shows) get picked up and suddenly have to fill 24 episodes.

    One of the best things about the HBO revolution was US shows only having as many episodes as they needed to tell the story and zero filler.
    And the cable and net producers have come up with some shows that stood the long run - Sopranos, Sons of Anarchy, arguably The Wire (although I think this did drift). Yet some long running shows like Vikings still turn into ludicrous parodies of themselves.
    They need material.

    Those shows always had material as long as there was no fixed beginning or ending.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609
    Alistair said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    IanB2 said:

    BBC - don’t forget Line of Duty

    Or Sherlock, or Doctor Who.
    Sherlock started well, then it disappeared up its own arse and became self-referential and shite.
    The last season of Sherlock was truly awful.
    Watson's wife being a ninja secret agent was utterly WTF????
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    Alistair said:

    IanB2 said:

    Alistair said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    IanB2 said:

    BBC - don’t forget Line of Duty

    Or Sherlock, or Doctor Who.
    Doctor Who? Seriously?

    I'd rather have some decent SciFi sorry. Again 10 episodes a season but frequently with a 2 year gap between seasons.

    Americans manage 24 episodes a season annually on many of their shows.
    And many of those 24 episodes are filler bollocks.

    The syndication model absolutely destroys many good American shows by forcing them to reach 24 episodes.

    Lots of great 'half season' (10 to 13 episode shows) get picked up and suddenly have to fill 24 episodes.

    One of the best things about the HBO revolution was US shows only having as many episodes as they needed to tell the story and zero filler.
    And the cable and net producers have come up with some shows that stood the long run - Sopranos, Sons of Anarchy, arguably The Wire (although I think this did drift). Yet some long running shows like Vikings still turn into ludicrous parodies of themselves.
    The Wire was 13 episode seasons, so they produced 2.5 'full' seasons of it over the 5 years.

    Phenomenal show.
    I agree, I just think the first two seasons proved hard to match.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Alistair said:

    IanB2 said:

    Alistair said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    IanB2 said:

    BBC - don’t forget Line of Duty

    Or Sherlock, or Doctor Who.
    Doctor Who? Seriously?

    I'd rather have some decent SciFi sorry. Again 10 episodes a season but frequently with a 2 year gap between seasons.

    Americans manage 24 episodes a season annually on many of their shows.
    And many of those 24 episodes are filler bollocks.

    The syndication model absolutely destroys many good American shows by forcing them to reach 24 episodes.

    Lots of great 'half season' (10 to 13 episode shows) get picked up and suddenly have to fill 24 episodes.

    One of the best things about the HBO revolution was US shows only having as many episodes as they needed to tell the story and zero filler.
    And the cable and net producers have come up with some shows that stood the long run - Sopranos, Sons of Anarchy, arguably The Wire (although I think this did drift). Yet some long running shows like Vikings still turn into ludicrous parodies of themselves.
    The Wire was 13 episode seasons, so they produced 2.5 'full' seasons of it over the 5 years.

    Phenomenal show.
    Or 10 full BBC seasons over the 5 years. ;)

    A lot of good shows are 13 Stateside. Currently watching The Good Doctor which I believe is 13 per series.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491
    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    kinabalu said:

    Starmer being a bit shouty. Nandy rather low key. RLB winning here for me and by a distance. Rather surprised.

    As a neutral I would say Starmer and Long Bailey both doing OK, Nandy a bit below par and saying she would scrap the monarchy will not help her with Leave voters Labour has lost
    You are the least neutral person I know.
    Ahem. Hello?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,124
    Luckyguy1983 said:

    Crappy Beeb dramas:
    Poirot with Pascal Sauvage from Jonny English
    A Christmas Carol
    Recent Dr Who (not the fault of Jody Whittaker who is good imo)

    I have a rather heretical view: I really liked Poirot with Cyrus The Virus and Ron from Harry Potter. I figure now David Suchet has nailed the set, it frees the field for looser interpretations.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,208
    Superforecaster Sabisky didn't see that coming ..
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    AlastairMeeks said:

    TimT said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    In another too many tweets make a tw@ news.

    https://twitter.com/Bencjacobs/status/1229500344046161921

    That doesn’t seem a smart approach from camp Bloomberg. Why give airtime to your rival’s talking points?
    Because it plays to and reinforces an existing meme that Sanders' people are not really Democrats and would prefer to destroy other Democrats rather than unite behind a candidate who can beat Trump.

    Perhaps. Doesn’t invalidate the observations about Michael Bloomberg. Many will simply believe both attack lines.
    Yeah, it's not without the dangers you point out. But Mike is not ever going to win over the liberal wing of the party, or those Bernie supporters who won't vote for any other Democratic candidate.

    His strong message, which he is hammering home in his TV ads, is as a uniter who gets things done and can beat Trump. Given beating Trump is time after time the number 1 issue for Dem voters, I think the calculation is that showing Bernie not to be that man outweighs the limited potential downside, and explains the re-tweeting.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited February 2020
    MarqueeMark said:

    Alistair said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    IanB2 said:

    BBC - don’t forget Line of Duty

    Or Sherlock, or Doctor Who.
    Sherlock started well, then it disappeared up its own arse and became self-referential and shite.
    The last season of Sherlock was truly awful.
    Watson's wife being a ninja secret agent was utterly WTF????
    That was one of the few highlights. Killing her off for no reason at all was the WTF.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424
    FF43 said:

    Superforecaster Sabisky didn't see that coming ..

    The Oracle was closed this morning due to unforeseen circumstances.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491
    viewcode said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    Crappy Beeb dramas:
    Poirot with Pascal Sauvage from Jonny English
    A Christmas Carol
    Recent Dr Who (not the fault of Jody Whittaker who is good imo)

    I have a rather heretical view: I really liked Poirot with Cyrus The Virus and Ron from Harry Potter. I figure now David Suchet has nailed the set, it frees the field for looser interpretations.
    The Director General of the BBC should have been arrested for that travesty of a Poirot.

    There is only one Poirot and it is David Suggest.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    speedy2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Alistair said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    IanB2 said:

    BBC - don’t forget Line of Duty

    Or Sherlock, or Doctor Who.
    Doctor Who? Seriously?

    I'd rather have some decent SciFi sorry. Again 10 episodes a season but frequently with a 2 year gap between seasons.

    Americans manage 24 episodes a season annually on many of their shows.
    And many of those 24 episodes are filler bollocks.

    The syndication model absolutely destroys many good American shows by forcing them to reach 24 episodes.

    Lots of great 'half season' (10 to 13 episode shows) get picked up and suddenly have to fill 24 episodes.

    One of the best things about the HBO revolution was US shows only having as many episodes as they needed to tell the story and zero filler.
    And the cable and net producers have come up with some shows that stood the long run - Sopranos, Sons of Anarchy, arguably The Wire (although I think this did drift). Yet some long running shows like Vikings still turn into ludicrous parodies of themselves.
    They need material.

    Those shows always had material as long as there was no fixed beginning or ending.
    Thankfully Vikings is in its last series. What started as a historically quite interesting drama of the Viking era, with credible storylines with some modest artistic licence but also nice touches like using bits of Old Norse and Old English, has slowly turned into a parody of the absurd with Lagertha’s lesbian republic, the cult of Ivar, and last week a full scale D-Day style beach landing complete with replica WWII landing craft.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,601
    "Michael Bloomberg dogged by more past controversial remarks

    Apparent attack on intelligence of factory and farm workers
    Trump and Bloomberg’s Democratic rivals step up their attacks"

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/feb/17/michael-bloomberg-more-past-controversial-remarks
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    Casino_Royale said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    kinabalu said:

    Starmer being a bit shouty. Nandy rather low key. RLB winning here for me and by a distance. Rather surprised.

    As a neutral I would say Starmer and Long Bailey both doing OK, Nandy a bit below par and saying she would scrap the monarchy will not help her with Leave voters Labour has lost
    You are the least neutral person I know.
    Ahem. Hello?
    Lol. Yes. But then as far as we know HY isn’t a habitual daytime drinker.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,124
    Alistair said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    IanB2 said:

    BBC - don’t forget Line of Duty

    Or Sherlock, or Doctor Who.
    Sherlock started well, then it disappeared up its own arse and became self-referential and shite.
    The last season of Sherlock was truly awful.
    Moffat never sticks the landing.

    However, I'm not sure the series is extant. The stars have got so crowded careers now they can't get together and Moffat and Gatiss are presumably working on a Dracula series 2, so there y'go... :(
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609
    Alistair said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Alistair said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    IanB2 said:

    BBC - don’t forget Line of Duty

    Or Sherlock, or Doctor Who.
    Sherlock started well, then it disappeared up its own arse and became self-referential and shite.
    The last season of Sherlock was truly awful.
    Watson's wife being a ninja secret agent was utterly WTF????
    That was one of the few highlights. Killing her off for no reason at all was the WTF.
    But it was a stupid rabbit hole to go down, because if they didn't then kill her pronto she would have over-shadowed Sherlock himself.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491
    IanB2 said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    kinabalu said:

    Starmer being a bit shouty. Nandy rather low key. RLB winning here for me and by a distance. Rather surprised.

    As a neutral I would say Starmer and Long Bailey both doing OK, Nandy a bit below par and saying she would scrap the monarchy will not help her with Leave voters Labour has lost
    You are the least neutral person I know.
    Ahem. Hello?
    Lol. Yes. But then as far as we know HY isn’t a habitual daytime drinker.
    It was the weekend mate, there was a storm, and I have a toddler to deal with.

    You'd drink too.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    IanB2 said:

    speedy2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Alistair said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    IanB2 said:

    BBC - don’t forget Line of Duty

    Or Sherlock, or Doctor Who.
    Doctor Who? Seriously?

    I'd rather have some decent SciFi sorry. Again 10 episodes a season but frequently with a 2 year gap between seasons.

    Americans manage 24 episodes a season annually on many of their shows.
    And many of those 24 episodes are filler bollocks.

    The syndication model absolutely destroys many good American shows by forcing them to reach 24 episodes.

    Lots of great 'half season' (10 to 13 episode shows) get picked up and suddenly have to fill 24 episodes.

    One of the best things about the HBO revolution was US shows only having as many episodes as they needed to tell the story and zero filler.
    And the cable and net producers have come up with some shows that stood the long run - Sopranos, Sons of Anarchy, arguably The Wire (although I think this did drift). Yet some long running shows like Vikings still turn into ludicrous parodies of themselves.
    They need material.

    Those shows always had material as long as there was no fixed beginning or ending.
    Thankfully Vikings is in its last series. What started as a historically quite interesting drama of the Viking era, with credible storylines with some modest artistic licence but also nice touches like using bits of Old Norse and Old English, has slowly turned into a parody of the absurd with Lagertha’s lesbian republic, the cult of Ivar, and last week a full scale D-Day style beach landing complete with replica WWII landing craft.
    The only story thread of Vikings I am still remotely interested in is Floki's Icelandic settlement.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,533
    dr_spyn said:

    HYUFD said:

    20 minutes in and Labour debate now onto trans rights

    Its all they talk about on the doorsteps of Salford.

    A problem of these debates is that the candidates can't choose the issues they'll discuss, so they get whatever questions the moderators think will cause a stir.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Casino_Royale said:

    viewcode said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    Crappy Beeb dramas:
    Poirot with Pascal Sauvage from Jonny English
    A Christmas Carol
    Recent Dr Who (not the fault of Jody Whittaker who is good imo)

    I have a rather heretical view: I really liked Poirot with Cyrus The Virus and Ron from Harry Potter. I figure now David Suchet has nailed the set, it frees the field for looser interpretations.
    The Director General of the BBC should have been arrested for that travesty of a Poirot.

    There is only one Poirot and it is David Suggest.
    My Mum's cousin did the titles for the David Suchet one
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424
    Casino_Royale said:

    viewcode said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    Crappy Beeb dramas:
    Poirot with Pascal Sauvage from Jonny English
    A Christmas Carol
    Recent Dr Who (not the fault of Jody Whittaker who is good imo)

    I have a rather heretical view: I really liked Poirot with Cyrus The Virus and Ron from Harry Potter. I figure now David Suchet has nailed the set, it frees the field for looser interpretations.
    The Director General of the BBC should have been arrested for that travesty of a Poirot.

    There is only one Poirot and it is David Suggest.
    :lol:
    That is brilliant.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,318
    MarqueeMark said:

    Third question about trans rights......

    Economy, maybe guys, you know, stuff that is going to sway Labour --> Tory voters?

    The impact of the stupid pledges Nandy and RLB have signed up to have annoyed a lot of women. A lot.

    Labour is basically telling women that they don’t know what being a woman means, that their concerns about safety, about the impact on the Equality Act as it affects women of self-id without a medical diagnosis are of no interest to them, to be dismissed without more in order to accommodate the views of some trans extremists, that if they express such concern they will be expelled from the party and ignored and labelled.

    Their behaviour is, ironically, rather similar to the way they dismissed the concerns of Jewish Labour members. According to Labour if you label a group in a particular way it is ok to demean and bully them. So any woman raising concerns about self-id is simply labelled as hateful and ignored rather than any attempt made to understand her concerns let alone engage with them and come up with a practical solution.Quite why Labour has decided to pick on a majority this time rather than a minority, God knows. But yes I’d say that exposing Labour’s stupidity on this is important. Quite apart from the immediate issue it tells me two things:-

    1. Labour has not really learnt anything about why this putting people into groups and labelling them according to some predetermined, thoughtless and usually idiotic filter is nonsensical.
    2. Nandy has shown a lack of judgment on this issue which has shown that she still is not ready to be leader.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491
    ydoethur said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    viewcode said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    Crappy Beeb dramas:
    Poirot with Pascal Sauvage from Jonny English
    A Christmas Carol
    Recent Dr Who (not the fault of Jody Whittaker who is good imo)

    I have a rather heretical view: I really liked Poirot with Cyrus The Virus and Ron from Harry Potter. I figure now David Suchet has nailed the set, it frees the field for looser interpretations.
    The Director General of the BBC should have been arrested for that travesty of a Poirot.

    There is only one Poirot and it is David Suggest.
    :lol:
    That is brilliant.
    Bloody iPhone!
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,124
    IanB2 said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    IanB2 said:

    BBC - don’t forget Line of Duty

    Or Sherlock, or Doctor Who.
    Doctor Who? Seriously?

    I'd rather have some decent SciFi sorry. Again 10 episodes a season but frequently with a 2 year gap between seasons.

    Americans manage 24 episodes a season annually on many of their shows.
    Dr Who is children’s tv, surely?
    Technically, no: it's made by the drama department. Factually: well it kind of varies... :(
  • dodradedodrade Posts: 597
    MarqueeMark said:

    Alistair said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Alistair said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    IanB2 said:

    BBC - don’t forget Line of Duty

    Or Sherlock, or Doctor Who.
    Sherlock started well, then it disappeared up its own arse and became self-referential and shite.
    The last season of Sherlock was truly awful.
    Watson's wife being a ninja secret agent was utterly WTF????
    That was one of the few highlights. Killing her off for no reason at all was the WTF.
    But it was a stupid rabbit hole to go down, because if they didn't then kill her pronto she would have over-shadowed Sherlock himself.
    Did Freeman and Abbingdon's real life split have anything to do with it?
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1229496526541553665?s=21
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Casino_Royale said:

    IanB2 said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    kinabalu said:

    Starmer being a bit shouty. Nandy rather low key. RLB winning here for me and by a distance. Rather surprised.

    As a neutral I would say Starmer and Long Bailey both doing OK, Nandy a bit below par and saying she would scrap the monarchy will not help her with Leave voters Labour has lost
    You are the least neutral person I know.
    Ahem. Hello?
    Lol. Yes. But then as far as we know HY isn’t a habitual daytime drinker.
    It was the weekend mate, there was a storm, and I have a toddler to deal with.

    You'd drink too.
    I can relate! My 3 year old doesn't want to sleep during storms. Then again she hasn't wanted to sleep since . . . 2018.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,148
    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1229496526541553665?s=20
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,148
    https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1229497457488338944?s=20
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1229496526541553665?s=20

    As I was saying...
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    NickPalmer said:

    dr_spyn said:

    HYUFD said:

    20 minutes in and Labour debate now onto trans rights

    Its all they talk about on the doorsteps of Salford.

    A problem of these debates is that the candidates can't choose the issues they'll discuss, so they get whatever questions the moderators think will cause a stir.
    I have noticed on Twitter that the Yes/No question format is rightly being criticised by the candidates.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,318
    I have never ever watched any of the shows you guys are mentioning. Apart from Fleabag which I loved. When do you all find the time to watch all this TV, I’d like to know.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,148
    Love Island starts with a Caroline Flack tribute before back to the action
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424
    AlastairMeeks said:

    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1229496526541553665?s=21

    1) He should never have been appointed so exactly how he left is probably not relevant;

    2) It is Cummings that should be fired, although again, he should never have been appointed.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,225
    ydoethur said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    viewcode said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    Crappy Beeb dramas:
    Poirot with Pascal Sauvage from Jonny English
    A Christmas Carol
    Recent Dr Who (not the fault of Jody Whittaker who is good imo)

    I have a rather heretical view: I really liked Poirot with Cyrus The Virus and Ron from Harry Potter. I figure now David Suchet has nailed the set, it frees the field for looser interpretations.
    The Director General of the BBC should have been arrested for that travesty of a Poirot.

    There is only one Poirot and it is David Suggest.
    :lol:
    That is brilliant.
    Apparently Suchet nailed the Poirot walk by imagining he was trying to hold a coin between his buttocks,
    Suggest is apt....
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,482
    viewcode said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    Crappy Beeb dramas:
    Poirot with Pascal Sauvage from Jonny English
    A Christmas Carol
    Recent Dr Who (not the fault of Jody Whittaker who is good imo)

    I have a rather heretical view: I really liked Poirot with Cyrus The Virus and Ron from Harry Potter. I figure now David Suchet has nailed the set, it frees the field for looser interpretations.
    Really? Or did you just enjoy how much the 'gammon' tendency was infuriated by it? I think the comical miscasting of John Malkovich and the leaden Brexit references covered up the fundamental weakness of the adaptation. Spoiler ahead. The whole point of Christie's story was that the grandiose set of crimes ended up being a cover for an essentially venal and conventional murder for financial gain. It is a statement about the banality of evil. It wasn't that the silly fart of a writer who perpetrated the adaptation had no reverence for the source material - she had no understanding of it.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,226
    isam said:

    I watch a lot of Daytime TV, so do my parents, and we almost always watch the BBC. It may be rubbish to some people, but I am prepared to say I think a lot of it is very good

    Quite. And would you prefer it if you and they were all off in separate silos subscribing to your own niche pay per view happenings? No need to answer because I know the answer. We all do deep down.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,225
    Cyclefree said:

    I have never ever watched any of the shows you guys are mentioning. Apart from Fleabag which I loved. When do you all find the time to watch all this TV, I’d like to know.

    It is a mark of our collective failings.
    Otherwise PB might have more excellent thread headers....
  • rural_voterrural_voter Posts: 2,038
    speedy2 said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    IanB2 said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    IanB2 said:

    BBC - don’t forget Line of Duty

    Or Sherlock, or Doctor Who.
    Doctor Who? Seriously?

    I'd rather have some decent SciFi sorry. Again 10 episodes a season but frequently with a 2 year gap between seasons.

    Americans manage 24 episodes a season annually on many of their shows.
    The Americans churn them out until they become so dreadful that everyone loses interest.
    100 episodes of greatness followed by some crap is better than 6 decent episodes but then no followup.
    I agree, the Americans can produce 100 watchable episodes of anything within 3 years, followed by writers block and repetitions.

    The BBC tried it only once with Allo Allo.
    It seems very hard to do 100 episodes of 'peak comedy'. Fawlty Towers stopped after 12 episodes because they thought they'd gone on long enough.

    Wikipedia says Yes Minister had 38 episodes = good considering how funny they were. But with Yes Prime Minister it tailed off a bit.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,385
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Starmer says Labour needs to regain its 'message of opportunity'

    I would have said a ‘message of sanity’ would be a better starting point.
    Let's face it none of the candidates are neither use nor ornament. That said RLB is by far the worst. Compare and contrast this bun fight with last year's Tory leadership contest. If that was Premier League this is by comparison Hackney Marshes Sunday League.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,225
    kinabalu said:

    isam said:

    I watch a lot of Daytime TV, so do my parents, and we almost always watch the BBC. It may be rubbish to some people, but I am prepared to say I think a lot of it is very good

    Quite. And would you prefer it if you and they were all off in separate silos subscribing to your own niche pay per view happenings? No need to answer because I know the answer. We all do deep down.
    If only government had the guts to fund it from general taxation - something that ought to have happened decades ago - most of the argument would disappear.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,225
    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1229497457488338944?s=20

    I reckon that’s just about peak Bloomberg.
    (Fingers crossed...)
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,124
    Casino_Royale said:

    viewcode said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    Crappy Beeb dramas:
    Poirot with Pascal Sauvage from Jonny English
    A Christmas Carol
    Recent Dr Who (not the fault of Jody Whittaker who is good imo)

    I have a rather heretical view: I really liked Poirot with Cyrus The Virus and Ron from Harry Potter. I figure now David Suchet has nailed the set, it frees the field for looser interpretations.
    The Director General of the BBC should have been arrested for that travesty of a Poirot.

    There is only one Poirot and it is David Suggest.
    Yes, but he's filmed all the stories, so now what? We've had definitive interpretations: Jeremy Brett as Sherlock, Joan Hickson as Marple, David Suchet as Poirot. We've gone about as far as we can go with that approach, so newer more freewheeling interpretations are indicated.

    Plus the fact that we are talking about the series proves the point. Both you and I saw the BBC Malkovich Poirot, so we can discuss it, but if I started talking about the stuff I watch on YouTube, you'd look at me as if I were mental. The BBC, for good or ill, provides a common base about which we can speak. If we go down the destroy-BBC-and-get-news-from-whoever we'll end up shouting past each other, just like they do in the States.

    Common institutions are necessary for the cohesion of the nation. Take them away and we're strangers in the same space... :(
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424
    rural_voter said:

    speedy2 said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    IanB2 said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    IanB2 said:

    BBC - don’t forget Line of Duty

    Or Sherlock, or Doctor Who.
    Doctor Who? Seriously?

    I'd rather have some decent SciFi sorry. Again 10 episodes a season but frequently with a 2 year gap between seasons.

    Americans manage 24 episodes a season annually on many of their shows.
    The Americans churn them out until they become so dreadful that everyone loses interest.
    100 episodes of greatness followed by some crap is better than 6 decent episodes but then no followup.
    I agree, the Americans can produce 100 watchable episodes of anything within 3 years, followed by writers block and repetitions.

    The BBC tried it only once with Allo Allo.
    It seems very hard to do 100 episodes of 'peak comedy'. Fawlty Towers stopped after 12 episodes because they thought they'd gone on long enough.

    Wikipedia says Yes Minister had 38 episodes = good considering how funny they were. But with Yes Prime Minister it tailed off a bit.
    Dad’s Army ran to 80, and until the final eight the quality remained high.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,226
    speedy2 said:

    They need material.

    Those shows always had material as long as there was no fixed beginning or ending.

    The Americans tend to use teams of writers - like a factory - whereas our classics are usually created by a single person or a duo.

    So their stuff runs for longer but ours is more quirky.
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