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  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,230
    Foxy said:

    Stocky said:

    Updated North South East Wales map
    united-kingdom-map-max

    Wales border, give or take, it's a bit blurred tbh

    South line is Ross on Wye to the Wash. This puts Warwick, Stratford, Cheltenham and Gloucester in the South and Hereford, Worcester, Redditch and Coventry in the Midlands.

    North line is Dee to the Wash, as discussed.

    East is just west of Grantham and a lazy loop to be north of Chelmsford, before hitting the Blackwater estuary.

    Come.
    At.
    Me.

    "Warwick, Stratford, Cheltenham and Gloucester in the South"

    But by any measure, Warwick and Stratford are quintessentially Midlands.

    Your problem is Northampton. Nobody wants Northampton....
    Why would anyone to be fair?
    I remember going to view a house in a village named East Farndon, which is a couple of miles from Market Harborough. The latter is in Leicestershire and the former in Northamptonshire. I made the mistake of saying Leicestershire to the woman who was selling the house. She was indignant and very keen to boast that East Farndon is in Northamptonhire not Leicestershire.

    I remember thinking that Leicestershire must be really shit.
    A curious comment. East Leicestershire is quite lovely, particularly the SE quadrant and also the Wreake valley. Keep it quiet though.
    And home of the pork pie.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,230

    Updated North South East Wales map
    united-kingdom-map-max

    Wales border, give or take, it's a bit blurred tbh

    South line is Ross on Wye to the Wash. This puts Warwick, Stratford, Cheltenham and Gloucester in the South and Hereford, Worcester, Redditch and Coventry in the Midlands.

    North line is Dee to the Wash, as discussed.

    East is just west of Grantham and a lazy loop to be north of Chelmsford, before hitting the Blackwater estuary.

    Come.
    At.
    Me.

    "Warwick, Stratford, Cheltenham and Gloucester in the South"

    But by any measure, Warwick and Stratford are quintessentially Midlands.

    Your problem is Northampton. Nobody wants Northampton....
    "But by any measure, Warwick and Stratford are quintessentially Midlands."


    hmmm, I think I'd need to hear why.

    Some things just ARE.

    There are no rational arguments for them to be anywhere else.
    Don’t know about that. Stratford, while largely ersatz tourist shit, can also be magical. The Midlands are not magical.
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787

    Updated North South East Wales map
    united-kingdom-map-max

    Wales border, give or take, it's a bit blurred tbh

    South line is Ross on Wye to the Wash. This puts Warwick, Stratford, Cheltenham and Gloucester in the South and Hereford, Worcester, Redditch and Coventry in the Midlands.

    North line is Dee to the Wash, as discussed.

    East is just west of Grantham and a lazy loop to be north of Chelmsford, before hitting the Blackwater estuary.

    Come.
    At.
    Me.

    "Warwick, Stratford, Cheltenham and Gloucester in the South"

    But by any measure, Warwick and Stratford are quintessentially Midlands.

    Your problem is Northampton. Nobody wants Northampton....
    "But by any measure, Warwick and Stratford are quintessentially Midlands."


    hmmm, I think I'd need to hear why.


    If Warwick isn't Midlands, what is? And what would Warwick be if not Midlands? It's certainly not South.
  • Labour’s leadership race appears to be far from settled with Rebecca Long-Bailey coming out just ahead of her opponents on the basis of first preferences in a new poll of party members – with Keir Starmer close behind.

    Long-Bailey, who is on the Labour left and widely seen as a Corbynite, has had a slow start to her campaign – but was still the most popular first-ranked contender in a survey of LabourList readers conducted by Survation and weighted to reflect the membership.

    If the election took place today, the results of the poll suggest that Long-Bailey would win 42% of first preferences while Starmer would receive 37%. Jess Phillips is far behind on 9%, Lisa Nandy on 7% and Emily Thornberry on just 1%.

    Although Starmer receives the majority of second preferences from all candidates in the race, they are not enough to eliminate Long-Bailey’s first round lead, with Long-Bailey leading 51% to 49% after second preferences are taken into account.

    The Holborn and St Pancras MP, who has pitched to the left in his campaign so far, also picks up high proportions of second preferences from rivals Phillips (60%) and Nandy (63%) in the survey.

    The first poll of Labour members by YouGov for the Party Members Project put Starmer ahead both in terms of first preferences and the overall result. The new research suggests there is all to play for in Labour’s leadership contest.

    34% of Labour members surveyed by LabourList/Survation said they had not decided who they would be voting for in the leadership election, and of those ranking candidates for leader, only 22% said they were certain that they would not change their preferences.

    The LabourList/Survation poll includes Clive Lewis as a candidate, but the Norwich MP is now out of the running as he failed to secure the necessary MP and MEP nominations to continue.

    https://labourlist.org/2020/01/exclusive-poll-of-members-shows-leadership-race-narrowing/
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,153

    https://twitter.com/RLong_Bailey/status/1217441070021255168

    What a weird logo.

    Anyone planning to go?

    Launching it? How many launches can you have?
  • rpjs said:

    Updated North South East Wales map
    united-kingdom-map-max

    Wales border, give or take, it's a bit blurred tbh

    South line is Ross on Wye to the Wash. This puts Warwick, Stratford, Cheltenham and Gloucester in the South and Hereford, Worcester, Redditch and Coventry in the Midlands.

    North line is Dee to the Wash, as discussed.

    East is just west of Grantham and a lazy loop to be north of Chelmsford, before hitting the Blackwater estuary.

    Come.
    At.
    Me.

    "Warwick, Stratford, Cheltenham and Gloucester in the South"

    But by any measure, Warwick and Stratford are quintessentially Midlands.

    Your problem is Northampton. Nobody wants Northampton....
    "But by any measure, Warwick and Stratford are quintessentially Midlands."


    hmmm, I think I'd need to hear why.


    If Warwick isn't Midlands, what is? And what would Warwick be if not Midlands? It's certainly not South.
    Warwick, as it is now, could be anywhere between where it is now and the channel.
  • The main thing I'd suggest to take home is that these lines can move.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676

    Labour’s leadership race appears to be far from settled with Rebecca Long-Bailey coming out just ahead of her opponents on the basis of first preferences in a new poll of party members – with Keir Starmer close behind.

    Long-Bailey, who is on the Labour left and widely seen as a Corbynite, has had a slow start to her campaign – but was still the most popular first-ranked contender in a survey of LabourList readers conducted by Survation and weighted to reflect the membership.

    If the election took place today, the results of the poll suggest that Long-Bailey would win 42% of first preferences while Starmer would receive 37%. Jess Phillips is far behind on 9%, Lisa Nandy on 7% and Emily Thornberry on just 1%.

    Although Starmer receives the majority of second preferences from all candidates in the race, they are not enough to eliminate Long-Bailey’s first round lead, with Long-Bailey leading 51% to 49% after second preferences are taken into account.

    The Holborn and St Pancras MP, who has pitched to the left in his campaign so far, also picks up high proportions of second preferences from rivals Phillips (60%) and Nandy (63%) in the survey.

    The first poll of Labour members by YouGov for the Party Members Project put Starmer ahead both in terms of first preferences and the overall result. The new research suggests there is all to play for in Labour’s leadership contest.

    34% of Labour members surveyed by LabourList/Survation said they had not decided who they would be voting for in the leadership election, and of those ranking candidates for leader, only 22% said they were certain that they would not change their preferences.

    The LabourList/Survation poll includes Clive Lewis as a candidate, but the Norwich MP is now out of the running as he failed to secure the necessary MP and MEP nominations to continue.

    https://labourlist.org/2020/01/exclusive-poll-of-members-shows-leadership-race-narrowing/

    I think that Poll is spot on RLB SKS neck and neck

    Other 3 no chance
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609

    Labour’s leadership race appears to be far from settled with Rebecca Long-Bailey coming out just ahead of her opponents on the basis of first preferences in a new poll of party members – with Keir Starmer close behind.

    Long-Bailey, who is on the Labour left and widely seen as a Corbynite, has had a slow start to her campaign – but was still the most popular first-ranked contender in a survey of LabourList readers conducted by Survation and weighted to reflect the membership.

    If the election took place today, the results of the poll suggest that Long-Bailey would win 42% of first preferences while Starmer would receive 37%. Jess Phillips is far behind on 9%, Lisa Nandy on 7% and Emily Thornberry on just 1%.

    Although Starmer receives the majority of second preferences from all candidates in the race, they are not enough to eliminate Long-Bailey’s first round lead, with Long-Bailey leading 51% to 49% after second preferences are taken into account.

    The Holborn and St Pancras MP, who has pitched to the left in his campaign so far, also picks up high proportions of second preferences from rivals Phillips (60%) and Nandy (63%) in the survey.

    The first poll of Labour members by YouGov for the Party Members Project put Starmer ahead both in terms of first preferences and the overall result. The new research suggests there is all to play for in Labour’s leadership contest.

    34% of Labour members surveyed by LabourList/Survation said they had not decided who they would be voting for in the leadership election, and of those ranking candidates for leader, only 22% said they were certain that they would not change their preferences.

    The LabourList/Survation poll includes Clive Lewis as a candidate, but the Norwich MP is now out of the running as he failed to secure the necessary MP and MEP nominations to continue.

    https://labourlist.org/2020/01/exclusive-poll-of-members-shows-leadership-race-narrowing/

    Go on Labour, you can do it - push RLB!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,153
    What level of vote would Nandy and Phillips need to get to not be humiliated?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424
    What is alarming is that there are five candidates in that race. So amazingly, Labour members think they have at least three MPs who are more useless than Richard Burgon.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609
    Nandy on Andrew Neil tonight (starts now)
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424

    Nandy on Andrew Neil tonight (starts now)

    Private Eye comment about Neil and charming young Asiatic ladies incoming in 3...2...1...
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    About to watch Lisa Nandy on Andrew Neil

    She currently has my first preference.

    Lets see how she does.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,038

    About to watch Lisa Nandy on Andrew Neil

    She currently has my first preference.

    Lets see how she does.

    You and me both, Comrade.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491
    Byronic said:

    More evidence of life at the bottom of the sea

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/01/15/house-prices-climb-fastest-pace-two-years/

    London has perked up. You can ignore this if you wish, but the last time I noticed this perkiness was when London property began its last enormous bullish run. And this was, roughly from 2010 to 2017, when, if you’d bought at the right time, you’d have almost doubled yer money

    I just sold my house after struggling to do so for over 2 years.

    Complete on Friday.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,559
    Foxy said:

    Stocky said:

    Updated North South East Wales map
    united-kingdom-map-max

    Wales border, give or take, it's a bit blurred tbh

    South line is Ross on Wye to the Wash. This puts Warwick, Stratford, Cheltenham and Gloucester in the South and Hereford, Worcester, Redditch and Coventry in the Midlands.

    North line is Dee to the Wash, as discussed.

    East is just west of Grantham and a lazy loop to be north of Chelmsford, before hitting the Blackwater estuary.

    Come.
    At.
    Me.

    "Warwick, Stratford, Cheltenham and Gloucester in the South"

    But by any measure, Warwick and Stratford are quintessentially Midlands.

    Your problem is Northampton. Nobody wants Northampton....
    Why would anyone to be fair?
    I remember going to view a house in a village named East Farndon, which is a couple of miles from Market Harborough. The latter is in Leicestershire and the former in Northamptonshire. I made the mistake of saying Leicestershire to the woman who was selling the house. She was indignant and very keen to boast that East Farndon is in Northamptonhire not Leicestershire.

    I remember thinking that Leicestershire must be really shit.
    A curious comment. East Leicestershire is quite lovely, particularly the SE quadrant and also the Wreake valley. Keep it quiet though.
    N'Hants, second most under rated county after Lincolnshire. May it stay that way.

  • About to watch Lisa Nandy on Andrew Neil

    She currently has my first preference.

    Lets see how she does.

    She's doing well, as far as I can see.
  • With all this talk of how much it will cost to have Big Ben bong on Brexit day....apparently Baby Yoda puppet cost $5 million to make!!!!
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491
    It’s a great opportunity to lay RLB at the moment.

    Betfair has massively overreacted to that (borderline voodoo) poll.
  • With all this talk of how much it will cost to have Big Ben bong on Brexit day....apparently Baby Yoda puppet cost $5 million to make!!!!

    Wait, he wasn't CGI'd?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,382
    edited January 2020
    kle4 said:

    Russian government resigns as Putin plans future
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51120166

    It's interesting that, so far, he hasn't just gone the route of 'no term limits at all' approach.
    Trying to borrow from Augustus? "I am not a King. Just the First Man in Rome".
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491
    I just used my credit card to help manage my bet.

    Outrageous that this flexibility will be denied to me post April and will do nothing for problem gamblers.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609

    About to watch Lisa Nandy on Andrew Neil

    She currently has my first preference.

    Lets see how she does.

    She's doing well, as far as I can see.
    All those who think Nicola Sturgeon is a very convincing leader - well, Nandy is better than Sturgeon.

    Not taking any shit from Neil.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,121
    edited January 2020

    With all this talk of how much it will cost to have Big Ben bong on Brexit day....apparently Baby Yoda puppet cost $5 million to make!!!!

    Wait, he wasn't CGI'd?
    Nope.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2020/01/13/the-mandalorian-actor-reveals-how-much-baby-yodas-robo-puppet-costs/#22e29a0674e4
  • With all this talk of how much it will cost to have Big Ben bong on Brexit day....apparently Baby Yoda puppet cost $5 million to make!!!!

    Wait, he wasn't CGI'd?
    Nope.
    Blimey.
  • About to watch Lisa Nandy on Andrew Neil

    She currently has my first preference.

    Lets see how she does.

    She's doing well, as far as I can see.
    All those who think Nicola Sturgeon is a very convincing leader - well, Nandy is better than Sturgeon.

    Not taking any shit from Neil.
    Enjoying her smacking down Neil, who is using the usual tactic of asking for detail, then almost immediately trying to cut the interviewee off.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,231

    It’s a great opportunity to lay RLB at the moment.

    Betfair has massively overreacted to that (borderline voodoo) poll.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,121
    edited January 2020

    With all this talk of how much it will cost to have Big Ben bong on Brexit day....apparently Baby Yoda puppet cost $5 million to make!!!!

    Wait, he wasn't CGI'd?
    Nope.
    Blimey.
    I thought this was super interesting on how they did the original ones...spoiler loads of the massive scenes were actually hand painted !!!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lh1Tz3zwhFU
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486

    Quincel said:

    :o

    Japanese striker Kazuyoshi Miura is the ultimate evergreen player. His professional career started in 1986. And he's still going.

    At 52 (he turns 53 in February), Miura has just signed on the dotted line to play in the J1 League, Japan's top division, for the 2020 season.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51123128

    Wow, makes Kimiko Date-Krumm look like she retired early!

    I saw her play Serena Williams in her comeback at a grand slam. She lost, but was really close to winning. Playing from a different era threw Williams off completely, especially in the first set!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimiko_Date
    Talking about a different era in sports, I thought this was a fascinating example of how sport has changed thanks to data analytics. Basically as soon as data scientists had access to shot data, it became clear that the whole base strategy of every team in the NBA was wrong (too many mid range shots, when far superior statistically to attempt 3-point shots even though you miss more in raw % terms).

    https://twitter.com/kirkgoldsberry/status/1217109175894831105?s=20

    Football is behind the curve on this, but catching up fast now. I think in 10 years we will think how shit most teams tactics for the vast majority of the history of the game.
    There is already a lot of data science in football, much of it originally motivated by betting. Whether this is good for the fan, I'm not sure, as there seems to be a lot more passing sideways now. This (originally German) book gives a wide, non-technical survey.
    Football Hackers: The Science and Art of a Data Revolution
    Biermann, Christoph
    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/45029227-football-hackers
    One of the worst examples of tactical ineptitude in modern football must be shooting at goal from free kicks at 25-30yd range. The conversion rate is appalling. It’s hard to imagine poorer returns from pass-and-switch alternatives.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676

    About to watch Lisa Nandy on Andrew Neil

    She currently has my first preference.

    Lets see how she does.

    You and me both, Comrade.
    Doing well so far.

    The Neil put down very good.

    I fear she might finish 3rd but far better than RLB or SKS IMO

    RLB all the negatives of Corbyn without the likeability

    SKS bores the Tits off me.
  • TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052
    Bernie on the drift - 3.75..
  • Quincel said:

    :o

    Japanese striker Kazuyoshi Miura is the ultimate evergreen player. His professional career started in 1986. And he's still going.

    At 52 (he turns 53 in February), Miura has just signed on the dotted line to play in the J1 League, Japan's top division, for the 2020 season.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51123128

    Wow, makes Kimiko Date-Krumm look like she retired early!

    I saw her play Serena Williams in her comeback at a grand slam. She lost, but was really close to winning. Playing from a different era threw Williams off completely, especially in the first set!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimiko_Date
    Talking about a different era in sports, I thought this was a fascinating example of how sport has changed thanks to data analytics. Basically as soon as data scientists had access to shot data, it became clear that the whole base strategy of every team in the NBA was wrong (too many mid range shots, when far superior statistically to attempt 3-point shots even though you miss more in raw % terms).

    https://twitter.com/kirkgoldsberry/status/1217109175894831105?s=20

    Football is behind the curve on this, but catching up fast now. I think in 10 years we will think how shit most teams tactics for the vast majority of the history of the game.
    There is already a lot of data science in football, much of it originally motivated by betting. Whether this is good for the fan, I'm not sure, as there seems to be a lot more passing sideways now. This (originally German) book gives a wide, non-technical survey.
    Football Hackers: The Science and Art of a Data Revolution
    Biermann, Christoph
    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/45029227-football-hackers
    One of the worst examples of tactical ineptitude in modern football must be shooting at goal from free kicks at 25-30yd range. The conversion rate is appalling. It’s hard to imagine poorer returns from pass-and-switch alternatives.
    Apparently the traditional idea of getting it wide to the wingers, who run down the sideline and cross it into the box the most inefficient way of attacking.
  • About to watch Lisa Nandy on Andrew Neil

    She currently has my first preference.

    Lets see how she does.

    You and me both, Comrade.
    Doing well so far.

    The Neil put down very good.

    I fear she might finish 3rd but far better than RLB or SKS IMO

    RLB all the negatives of Corbyn without the likeability

    SKS bores the Tits off me.
    Great answer on Trident, when Neil thought he had a gotcha.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,038

    About to watch Lisa Nandy on Andrew Neil

    She currently has my first preference.

    Lets see how she does.

    You and me both, Comrade.
    Doing well so far.

    The Neil put down very good.

    I fear she might finish 3rd but far better than RLB or SKS IMO

    RLB all the negatives of Corbyn without the likeability

    SKS bores the Tits off me.
    I agree she's done a decent job. The odd wibbly answer, but sounding thoughtful and capable.
  • With all this talk of how much it will cost to have Big Ben bong on Brexit day....apparently Baby Yoda puppet cost $5 million to make!!!!

    Wait, he wasn't CGI'd?
    Nope.
    Blimey.
    I thought this was super interesting on how they did the original ones...spoiler loads of the massive scenes were actually hand painted !!!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lh1Tz3zwhFU
    Cheers
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    @FrancisUrquhart - I watched that video, very interesting. I nearly choked on my dinner when he compared Lukas Podolski to Lionel Messi. To be fair, when it comes to finishing, that's probably a fair comparison.

    I've just read a piece on possession value added:

    https://www.optasportspro.com/news-analysis/blog-introducing-a-possession-value-framework/

    It's basically the metric I assume that most stattos were using anyway. Output stats like goals and assists are useful to a point, but there is so much to football than the final ball/shot.

    Arsenal are quite a good case study. Ten years ago we were a team of technical possession based players who were often a little toothless in the final third (van Persie's injuries didn't help). During the 2010s, beginning with the signing of Lukas Podolski, Arsenal have transitioned to a team of flat track bullies with players like Xhaka, Ozil and Aubameyang.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,153
    The scandal just got more salacious!
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818
    Just read a tweet that says Nandy's pitch is

    'the working class may be wrong about everything, but we should be nicer about it when we tell them so'

  • I woud caution about putting too much store by the Labour List poll. It has a heavy bias towards the more left-leaning part of the Labour membership. Getting a truly weighted sample from it would be very tough. Like trying to get one for the UK electorate by weighting the Telegraph or the Guardian readerships.

    But Long-Bailey does enjoy huge structural advantages. As I keep saying, it's going to be close between her and Starmer. As much as I'd like to see Nandy do it, I just cannot - even though she is quite likely to make the final ballot.
  • TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052
    Nandy decent - shame about the speech impediment.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676

    About to watch Lisa Nandy on Andrew Neil

    She currently has my first preference.

    Lets see how she does.

    You and me both, Comrade.
    Doing well so far.

    The Neil put down very good.

    I fear she might finish 3rd but far better than RLB or SKS IMO

    RLB all the negatives of Corbyn without the likeability

    SKS bores the Tits off me.
    I agree she's done a decent job. The odd wibbly answer, but sounding thoughtful and capable.
    Her repeated comment about dont make the safe choice is obvious dig at both SKS and RLB
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609
    TGOHF666 said:

    Nandy decent - shame about the speech impediment.

    Far less obtrusive than Jo Swinson saying "You know" three times a sentence.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176

    Quincel said:

    :o

    Japanese striker Kazuyoshi Miura is the ultimate evergreen player. His professional career started in 1986. And he's still going.

    At 52 (he turns 53 in February), Miura has just signed on the dotted line to play in the J1 League, Japan's top division, for the 2020 season.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51123128

    Wow, makes Kimiko Date-Krumm look like she retired early!

    I saw her play Serena Williams in her comeback at a grand slam. She lost, but was really close to winning. Playing from a different era threw Williams off completely, especially in the first set!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimiko_Date
    Talking about a different era in sports, I thought this was a fascinating example of how sport has changed thanks to data analytics. Basically as soon as data scientists had access to shot data, it became clear that the whole base strategy of every team in the NBA was wrong (too many mid range shots, when far superior statistically to attempt 3-point shots even though you miss more in raw % terms).

    https://twitter.com/kirkgoldsberry/status/1217109175894831105?s=20

    Football is behind the curve on this, but catching up fast now. I think in 10 years we will think how shit most teams tactics for the vast majority of the history of the game.
    There is already a lot of data science in football, much of it originally motivated by betting. Whether this is good for the fan, I'm not sure, as there seems to be a lot more passing sideways now. This (originally German) book gives a wide, non-technical survey.
    Football Hackers: The Science and Art of a Data Revolution
    Biermann, Christoph
    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/45029227-football-hackers
    One of the worst examples of tactical ineptitude in modern football must be shooting at goal from free kicks at 25-30yd range. The conversion rate is appalling. It’s hard to imagine poorer returns from pass-and-switch alternatives.
    Apparently the traditional idea of getting it wide to the wingers, who run down the sideline and cross it into the box the most inefficient way of attacking.
    Ted Knutson was a little defensive when the interviewer mentioned TAA and Robertson. I still think getting wide a putting in a good cross is an effective approach.

    Compare Aubameyang and Giroud. The former is more prolific and undoubtedly a better finisher. But I'd say the tariff on creating a scoreable chance for Aubameyang is higher than that for creating a chance for Giroud.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    Top interview by Lisa

    The Minister for Propaganda far from subtle hatchet to RLB campaign gives me nagging doubts about the way i should actually vote in the contest though.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,148

    Labour’s leadership race appears to be far from settled with Rebecca Long-Bailey coming out just ahead of her opponents on the basis of first preferences in a new poll of party members – with Keir Starmer close behind.

    Long-Bailey, who is on the Labour left and widely seen as a Corbynite, has had a slow start to her campaign – but was still the most popular first-ranked contender in a survey of LabourList readers conducted by Survation and weighted to reflect the membership.

    If the election took place today, the results of the poll suggest that Long-Bailey would win 42% of first preferences while Starmer would receive 37%. Jess Phillips is far behind on 9%, Lisa Nandy on 7% and Emily Thornberry on just 1%.

    Although Starmer receives the majority of second preferences from all candidates in the race, they are not enough to eliminate Long-Bailey’s first round lead, with Long-Bailey leading 51% to 49% after second preferences are taken into account.

    The Holborn and St Pancras MP, who has pitched to the left in his campaign so far, also picks up high proportions of second preferences from rivals Phillips (60%) and Nandy (63%) in the survey.

    The first poll of Labour members by YouGov for the Party Members Project put Starmer ahead both in terms of first preferences and the overall result. The new research suggests there is all to play for in Labour’s leadership contest.

    34% of Labour members surveyed by LabourList/Survation said they had not decided who they would be voting for in the leadership election, and of those ranking candidates for leader, only 22% said they were certain that they would not change their preferences.

    The LabourList/Survation poll includes Clive Lewis as a candidate, but the Norwich MP is now out of the running as he failed to secure the necessary MP and MEP nominations to continue.

    https://labourlist.org/2020/01/exclusive-poll-of-members-shows-leadership-race-narrowing/

    Tighter than Yougov then and puts Long Bailey narrowly ahead but a weighted survey of Labour list readers rather than all Labour members unlike Yougov
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676

    Just read a tweet that says Nandy's pitch is

    'the working class may be wrong about everything, but we should be nicer about it when we tell them so'

    And that was only from @bbclaurak
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,211
    I've got my Tom Steyer stakes out of the market on Betfair with a £15k green on him for the presidency and £1.5k for the nomination :D
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,127

    I just used my credit card to help manage my bet.

    Outrageous that this flexibility will be denied to me post April and will do nothing for problem gamblers.

    r/LeopardsAteMyFace ... :)
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,211
    Looks like a horse race between Starmer and Long Bailey for the leadership with Rayner pretty much past the winning post in the deputy race.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,231

    Just read a tweet that says Nandy's pitch is

    'the working class may be wrong about everything, but we should be nicer about it when we tell them so'

    Exactly so. This is why I'm probably voting for her.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,127
    @Sunil_Prasannan ! In your capacity of God Of Trains can you tell me if, when traveling on the return leg of an off-peak return ticket, I can break my return journey over two or more days?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,382
    viewcode said:

    I just used my credit card to help manage my bet.

    Outrageous that this flexibility will be denied to me post April and will do nothing for problem gamblers.

    r/LeopardsAteMyFace ... :)
    Credit cards and gambling are a hideous problem. Hideous.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Time to move on to another thread.
  • kicorsekicorse Posts: 435
    Thought Nandy did a great job with one exception.

    Generally very good at handling Neil's adversarial approach. Thoroughly refuted the accusation that she's using meaningless slogans. Lots of plenty of good examples for her positions. Strong on moving on from Brexit, on anti-Semitism.

    The bad answer was to the "why are you the brave choice"? The real answer has nothing to do with identity politics. She's the only candidate who has (for years) been challenging the liberal left over our attitudes towards people with different life-experiences, and that is brave. For the Labour to change course on that will be difficult. But she's understandably concerned to diffuse any danger of this being spun as giving ground to racists, which is why I guess she answered the question that way. Have to remind myself that much of the selectorate don't really know much about her yet (e.g. firm commitment to freedom of movement, career supporting refugees), or how absurd such an interpretation would be. So maybe it makes sense to save the tough stuff for February. Frustrating though.
  • NEW THREAD

  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    Stocky said:

    Updated North South East Wales map
    united-kingdom-map-max

    Wales border, give or take, it's a bit blurred tbh

    South line is Ross on Wye to the Wash. This puts Warwick, Stratford, Cheltenham and Gloucester in the South and Hereford, Worcester, Redditch and Coventry in the Midlands.

    North line is Dee to the Wash, as discussed.

    East is just west of Grantham and a lazy loop to be north of Chelmsford, before hitting the Blackwater estuary.

    Come.
    At.
    Me.

    "Warwick, Stratford, Cheltenham and Gloucester in the South"

    But by any measure, Warwick and Stratford are quintessentially Midlands.

    Your problem is Northampton. Nobody wants Northampton....
    Why would anyone to be fair?
    I remember going to view a house in a village named East Farndon, which is a couple of miles from Market Harborough. The latter is in Leicestershire and the former in Northamptonshire. I made the mistake of saying Leicestershire to the woman who was selling the house. She was indignant and very keen to boast that East Farndon is in Northamptonhire not Leicestershire.

    I remember thinking that Leicestershire must be really shit.
    A curious comment. East Leicestershire is quite lovely, particularly the SE quadrant and also the Wreake valley. Keep it quiet though.
    And home of the pork pie.
    There are some nice parts of Leicestershire, particularly the north east around the Vale of Belvoir. People conflate Leicestershire (pretty in parts) with the city of Leicester (dull, drab). But Leicestershire is rather a big county.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491
    Pulpstar said:

    Looks like a horse race between Starmer and Long Bailey for the leadership with Rayner pretty much past the winning post in the deputy race.

    Long Bailey is a wally who won’t get anywhere.

    No-one respects or rates her so she’s left purely with the dogmatists.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    A freind is reading a paper about wind turbines



    "Bad weather and light conditions, such as fog, rain, strong wind, or dark nights, can decrease the visibility and the flying height of birds. This may result in more collisions. However, the correlation between the collisions and poor weather and light conditions has not yet been clearly identified because of the difficulty of observing birds in these conditions."
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