Nah. It's all part and parcel of having a royal family. Let's not get het up about rounding errors.
I find myself unable to care what on earth they do. Hearing the various details behind it still leaves me cold.
No we should slim down the whole circus, the taxpayer should only fund those that are directly in line for the throne and their families. That's the Queen, Charles and William. Everyone else should go and get jobs. Andrew, Edward and the rest of the hangers on are unnecessary for us to fund.
I mean Meghan and Harry have literally said they are going to “get jobs”.
Great, then they will have no issues giving up the sovereign grant and won't need to be funded by the Duchies of Lancaster and Cornwall. As I said, if they are giving up the taxpayer funding then good luck to them.
Remember when PB was obsessed with how many votes Boris had lost in a row and ruminating as to whether he would have the shortest reign of any prime minister ?
Boris losing a vote before 2024 would be really big news now.
Or before 2028.
Or (if he wants the job that long) 2032.
What's the longest uninterrupted reign as PM, btw?
Nah. It's all part and parcel of having a royal family. Let's not get het up about rounding errors.
I find myself unable to care what on earth they do. Hearing the various details behind it still leaves me cold.
No we should slim down the whole circus, the taxpayer should only fund those that are directly in line for the throne and their families. That's the Queen, Charles and William. Everyone else should go and get jobs. Andrew, Edward and the rest of the hangers on are unnecessary for us to fund.
I mean Meghan and Harry have literally said they are going to “get jobs”.
Great, then they will have no issues giving up the sovereign grant and won't need to be funded by the Duchies of Lancaster and Cornwall. As I said, if they are giving up the taxpayer funding then good luck to them.
That’s what they’ve said. With a transition period.
Nah. It's all part and parcel of having a royal family. Let's not get het up about rounding errors.
I find myself unable to care what on earth they do. Hearing the various details behind it still leaves me cold.
No we should slim down the whole circus, the taxpayer should only fund those that are directly in line for the throne and their families. That's the Queen, Charles and William. Everyone else should go and get jobs. Andrew, Edward and the rest of the hangers on are unnecessary for us to fund.
You are misunderstanding the monarchy. You can't apply your logic to it to draw some arbitrary line. It is what it is. Why not the state opening of parliament in jeans and a t shirt?
News bulletin began: government officials from the US, UK and Canada are all now suggesting....
Was preparing for a Harry and Meghan update whereas the item was about Iran and the plane ffs.
That is, in all seriousness, a very, very horrible story. It reflects extremely badly on Iran.
The irony is that old fool Khamenei will now probably shoot several of his own generals for this cock up, which will damage the government further.
The further irony is of course that whether it’s true or not people will believe it because it’s exactly the sort of stupid error the Iranians would make and then try to cover up (cf those Marines and their boats).
It is an easy mistake to make. That is how the USS Vincennes shot down a scheduled flight in 1988, killing 290 innocent people.
Nah. It's all part and parcel of having a royal family. Let's not get het up about rounding errors.
I find myself unable to care what on earth they do. Hearing the various details behind it still leaves me cold.
No we should slim down the whole circus, the taxpayer should only fund those that are directly in line for the throne and their families. That's the Queen, Charles and William. Everyone else should go and get jobs. Andrew, Edward and the rest of the hangers on are unnecessary for us to fund.
I mean Meghan and Harry have literally said they are going to “get jobs”.
Great, then they will have no issues giving up the sovereign grant and won't need to be funded by the Duchies of Lancaster and Cornwall. As I said, if they are giving up the taxpayer funding then good luck to them.
That’s what they’ve said. With a transition period.
Fair enough, though I remain sceptical about the length of a transition period and whatever they will do to earn money, I hope they make something of themselves. They were obviously never going to get anywhere in their current positions, Harry isn't in line for the throne and they would have just become another set of hangers on line Andrew's bunch. All in all, it's probably the best decision for them.
News bulletin began: government officials from the US, UK and Canada are all now suggesting....
Was preparing for a Harry and Meghan update whereas the item was about Iran and the plane ffs.
That is, in all seriousness, a very, very horrible story. It reflects extremely badly on Iran.
The irony is that old fool Khamenei will now probably shoot several of his own generals for this cock up, which will damage the government further.
The further irony is of course that whether it’s true or not people will believe it because it’s exactly the sort of stupid error the Iranians would make and then try to cover up (cf those Marines and their boats).
It is an easy mistake to make. That is how the USS Vincennes shot down a scheduled flight in 1988, killing 290 innocent people.
Pfff easy mistake to make? It shoukd be impossible...wtf was going on?
Nah. It's all part and parcel of having a royal family. Let's not get het up about rounding errors.
I find myself unable to care what on earth they do. Hearing the various details behind it still leaves me cold.
No we should slim down the whole circus, the taxpayer should only fund those that are directly in line for the throne and their families. That's the Queen, Charles and William. Everyone else should go and get jobs. Andrew, Edward and the rest of the hangers on are unnecessary for us to fund.
You are misunderstanding the monarchy. You can't apply your logic to it to draw some arbitrary line. It is what it is. Why not the state opening of parliament in jeans and a t shirt?
The monarchy, like the party, needs to change with the times. People are tired of funding the losers and weirdos like Andrew, it might be a low cost, but it is a very visible sore point for the royal family.
Nah. It's all part and parcel of having a royal family. Let's not get het up about rounding errors.
I find myself unable to care what on earth they do. Hearing the various details behind it still leaves me cold.
No we should slim down the whole circus, the taxpayer should only fund those that are directly in line for the throne and their families. That's the Queen, Charles and William. Everyone else should go and get jobs. Andrew, Edward and the rest of the hangers on are unnecessary for us to fund.
You are misunderstanding the monarchy. You can't apply your logic to it to draw some arbitrary line. It is what it is. Why not the state opening of parliament in jeans and a t shirt?
The monarchy, like the party, needs to change with the times. People are tired of funding the losers and weirdos like Andrew, it might be a low cost, but it is a very visible sore point for the royal family.
Think about that statement. The monarchy needs to change with the times. Says who and how? It's nonsense.
News bulletin began: government officials from the US, UK and Canada are all now suggesting....
Was preparing for a Harry and Meghan update whereas the item was about Iran and the plane ffs.
That is, in all seriousness, a very, very horrible story. It reflects extremely badly on Iran.
The irony is that old fool Khamenei will now probably shoot several of his own generals for this cock up, which will damage the government further.
The further irony is of course that whether it’s true or not people will believe it because it’s exactly the sort of stupid error the Iranians would make and then try to cover up (cf those Marines and their boats).
It’s all such a shitshow. How many innocents are also killed each year by drone strikes? All of it keeps on adding to the hatred. It’s hard to see how it ends.
News bulletin began: government officials from the US, UK and Canada are all now suggesting....
Was preparing for a Harry and Meghan update whereas the item was about Iran and the plane ffs.
That is, in all seriousness, a very, very horrible story. It reflects extremely badly on Iran.
The irony is that old fool Khamenei will now probably shoot several of his own generals for this cock up, which will damage the government further.
The further irony is of course that whether it’s true or not people will believe it because it’s exactly the sort of stupid error the Iranians would make and then try to cover up (cf those Marines and their boats).
Yes. I agree. I hear she's back in Canada already.
Remember when PB was obsessed with how many votes Boris had lost in a row and ruminating as to whether he would have the shortest reign of any prime minister ?
Boris losing a vote before 2024 would be really big news now.
Or before 2028.
Or (if he wants the job that long) 2032.
What's the longest uninterrupted reign as PM, btw?
Walpole - 22 years Pitt the Younger - 17 years Lord Liverpool - 15 years Lord North - 12 years Margaret Thatcher - 11 years Tony Blair - 10 years
I’ve got a feeling there was another 18th century PM who topped a decade, but I can’t remember who it is.
Nah. It's all part and parcel of having a royal family. Let's not get het up about rounding errors.
I find myself unable to care what on earth they do. Hearing the various details behind it still leaves me cold.
No we should slim down the whole circus, the taxpayer should only fund those that are directly in line for the throne and their families. That's the Queen, Charles and William. Everyone else should go and get jobs. Andrew, Edward and the rest of the hangers on are unnecessary for us to fund.
I mean Meghan and Harry have literally said they are going to “get jobs”.
Great, then they will have no issues giving up the sovereign grant and won't need to be funded by the Duchies of Lancaster and Cornwall. As I said, if they are giving up the taxpayer funding then good luck to them.
That’s what they’ve said. With a transition period.
Fair enough, though I remain sceptical about the length of a transition period and whatever they will do to earn money, I hope they make something of themselves. They were obviously never going to get anywhere in their current positions, Harry isn't in line for the throne and they would have just become another set of hangers on line Andrew's bunch. All in all, it's probably the best decision for them.
With Harry and Andrew both hors de combat , will they now find a use for the Earl of Wessex?
News bulletin began: government officials from the US, UK and Canada are all now suggesting....
Was preparing for a Harry and Meghan update whereas the item was about Iran and the plane ffs.
That is, in all seriousness, a very, very horrible story. It reflects extremely badly on Iran.
The irony is that old fool Khamenei will now probably shoot several of his own generals for this cock up, which will damage the government further.
The further irony is of course that whether it’s true or not people will believe it because it’s exactly the sort of stupid error the Iranians would make and then try to cover up (cf those Marines and their boats).
It is an easy mistake to make. That is how the USS Vincennes shot down a scheduled flight in 1988, killing 290 innocent people.
Because in 30 years there has been no progress with tracking technology?
Nah. It's all part and parcel of having a royal family. Let's not get het up about rounding errors.
I find myself unable to care what on earth they do. Hearing the various details behind it still leaves me cold.
No we should slim down the whole circus, the taxpayer should only fund those that are directly in line for the throne and their families. That's the Queen, Charles and William. Everyone else should go and get jobs. Andrew, Edward and the rest of the hangers on are unnecessary for us to fund.
You are misunderstanding the monarchy. You can't apply your logic to it to draw some arbitrary line. It is what it is. Why not the state opening of parliament in jeans and a t shirt?
The monarchy, like the party, needs to change with the times. People are tired of funding the losers and weirdos like Andrew, it might be a low cost, but it is a very visible sore point for the royal family.
Think about that statement. The monarchy needs to change with the times. Says who and how? It's nonsense.
The public, if they don't they will get swept away. Lots of people respect and appreciate the Queen. However, her reign is coming to an end and I'm fairly sure that the drum beat of republicanism will start again, and if the hangers on are still there people will be receptive to getting rid of the lot of them.
Nah. It's all part and parcel of having a royal family. Let's not get het up about rounding errors.
I find myself unable to care what on earth they do. Hearing the various details behind it still leaves me cold.
No we should slim down the whole circus, the taxpayer should only fund those that are directly in line for the throne and their families. That's the Queen, Charles and William. Everyone else should go and get jobs. Andrew, Edward and the rest of the hangers on are unnecessary for us to fund.
You are misunderstanding the monarchy. You can't apply your logic to it to draw some arbitrary line. It is what it is. Why not the state opening of parliament in jeans and a t shirt?
The monarchy, like the party, needs to change with the times. People are tired of funding the losers and weirdos like Andrew, it might be a low cost, but it is a very visible sore point for the royal family.
Think about that statement. The monarchy needs to change with the times. Says who and how? It's nonsense.
The whole point of monarchy is the genetic lottery, with the winners being literally born to rule. Whether a person is a saint or Prince Andrew does not influence the succession, at least not for the last 3 centuries.
Nah. It's all part and parcel of having a royal family. Let's not get het up about rounding errors.
I find myself unable to care what on earth they do. Hearing the various details behind it still leaves me cold.
No we should slim down the whole circus, the taxpayer should only fund those that are directly in line for the throne and their families. That's the Queen, Charles and William. Everyone else should go and get jobs. Andrew, Edward and the rest of the hangers on are unnecessary for us to fund.
You are misunderstanding the monarchy. You can't apply your logic to it to draw some arbitrary line. It is what it is. Why not the state opening of parliament in jeans and a t shirt?
The monarchy, like the party, needs to change with the times. People are tired of funding the losers and weirdos like Andrew, it might be a low cost, but it is a very visible sore point for the royal family.
Think about that statement. The monarchy needs to change with the times. Says who and how? It's nonsense.
The whole point of monarchy is the genetic lottery, with the winners being literally born to rule. Whether a person is a saint or Prince Andrew does not influence the succession, at least not for the last 3 centuries.
News bulletin began: government officials from the US, UK and Canada are all now suggesting....
Was preparing for a Harry and Meghan update whereas the item was about Iran and the plane ffs.
That is, in all seriousness, a very, very horrible story. It reflects extremely badly on Iran.
The irony is that old fool Khamenei will now probably shoot several of his own generals for this cock up, which will damage the government further.
The further irony is of course that whether it’s true or not people will believe it because it’s exactly the sort of stupid error the Iranians would make and then try to cover up (cf those Marines and their boats).
It is an easy mistake to make. That is how the USS Vincennes shot down a scheduled flight in 1988, killing 290 innocent people.
Because in 30 years there has been no progress with tracking technology?
News bulletin began: government officials from the US, UK and Canada are all now suggesting....
Was preparing for a Harry and Meghan update whereas the item was about Iran and the plane ffs.
That is, in all seriousness, a very, very horrible story. It reflects extremely badly on Iran.
The irony is that old fool Khamenei will now probably shoot several of his own generals for this cock up, which will damage the government further.
The further irony is of course that whether it’s true or not people will believe it because it’s exactly the sort of stupid error the Iranians would make and then try to cover up (cf those Marines and their boats).
It is an easy mistake to make. That is how the USS Vincennes shot down a scheduled flight in 1988, killing 290 innocent people.
Because in 30 years there has been no progress with tracking technology?
There's a more than a good chance that Iran's tech is 30 years old.
Remember when PB was obsessed with how many votes Boris had lost in a row and ruminating as to whether he would have the shortest reign of any prime minister ?
Boris losing a vote before 2024 would be really big news now.
Or before 2028.
Or (if he wants the job that long) 2032.
What's the longest uninterrupted reign as PM, btw?
Walpole - 22 years Pitt the Younger - 17 years Lord Liverpool - 15 years Lord North - 12 years Margaret Thatcher - 11 years Tony Blair - 10 years
I’ve got a feeling there was another 18th century PM who topped a decade, but I can’t remember who it is.
OK Boris - 23 years it is.....
He can give up the top job just at the age Bernie is going for it.
Nah. It's all part and parcel of having a royal family. Let's not get het up about rounding errors.
I find myself unable to care what on earth they do. Hearing the various details behind it still leaves me cold.
No we should slim down the whole circus, the taxpayer should only fund those that are directly in line for the throne and their families. That's the Queen, Charles and William. Everyone else should go and get jobs. Andrew, Edward and the rest of the hangers on are unnecessary for us to fund.
You are misunderstanding the monarchy. You can't apply your logic to it to draw some arbitrary line. It is what it is. Why not the state opening of parliament in jeans and a t shirt?
The monarchy, like the party, needs to change with the times. People are tired of funding the losers and weirdos like Andrew, it might be a low cost, but it is a very visible sore point for the royal family.
Think about that statement. The monarchy needs to change with the times. Says who and how? It's nonsense.
The whole point of monarchy is the genetic lottery, with the winners being literally born to rule. Whether a person is a saint or Prince Andrew does not influence the succession, at least not for the last 3 centuries.
Except for Edward VIII.
Popularity didn't alter the line of succession, so much as the duration of his reign.
Remember when PB was obsessed with how many votes Boris had lost in a row and ruminating as to whether he would have the shortest reign of any prime minister ?
Boris losing a vote before 2024 would be really big news now.
Or before 2028.
Or (if he wants the job that long) 2032.
What's the longest uninterrupted reign as PM, btw?
Walpole - 22 years Pitt the Younger - 17 years Lord Liverpool - 15 years Lord North - 12 years Margaret Thatcher - 11 years Tony Blair - 10 years
I’ve got a feeling there was another 18th century PM who topped a decade, but I can’t remember who it is.
OK Boris - 23 years it is.....
He can give up the top job just at the age Bernie is going for it.
Looking into some of the numbers around Harry, it seem as though he wouldn't need to work. Invested correctly, they could live from the income generated by it as long as they don't have an overly extravagant lifestyle.
Corbyn is a short-term issue. I am quite pleased he is still there deep in his comfort zone, ineffectual, self-indulgent and crap, as the leadership contest continues. Each week more eyes will hopefully open to the damage the hard left has done to Labour and what it will continue to do if it remains in control.
Other sources suggest According to Mrs Koenig*, Prince Harry can simply renounce his peerage. However, to rescind his HRH title, The Queen would likely need to issue a Letters Patent.
When Princess Margaret was confronted with her options over Townsend it was losing her HRH that swung it.....
It just seems like a huge over-reaction, to me.
Even if they use it for commercial purposes?
His Royal HighnessThe Duke of Sussex recommends....
If they want to "step away" from the Royal Family then they should. Since they have branded themselves as "Sussex" losing "HRH" would appear to be less of an issue than renouncing "Sussex". "His Grace, the Duke of Sussex" is not too shabby.....
And it does appear to be a Letters Patent issue, not a Bill/Act of Attainder...
Nah. It's all part and parcel of having a royal family. Let's not get het up about rounding errors.
I find myself unable to care what on earth they do. Hearing the various details behind it still leaves me cold.
No we should slim down the whole circus, the taxpayer should only fund those that are directly in line for the throne and their families. That's the Queen, Charles and William. Everyone else should go and get jobs. Andrew, Edward and the rest of the hangers on are unnecessary for us to fund.
You are misunderstanding the monarchy. You can't apply your logic to it to draw some arbitrary line. It is what it is. Why not the state opening of parliament in jeans and a t shirt?
The monarchy, like the party, needs to change with the times. People are tired of funding the losers and weirdos like Andrew, it might be a low cost, but it is a very visible sore point for the royal family.
Think about that statement. The monarchy needs to change with the times. Says who and how? It's nonsense.
The whole point of monarchy is the genetic lottery, with the winners being literally born to rule. Whether a person is a saint or Prince Andrew does not influence the succession, at least not for the last 3 centuries.
It does.
In medieval ones the crap ones would suffer rebellion and death in battle, or execution.
In modern times they’re put out to pasture or encouraged to abdicate, with the catastrophic risk of a republic hanging over the whole thing if they aren’t.
Other sources suggest According to Mrs Koenig*, Prince Harry can simply renounce his peerage. However, to rescind his HRH title, The Queen would likely need to issue a Letters Patent.
When Princess Margaret was confronted with her options over Townsend it was losing her HRH that swung it.....
It just seems like a huge over-reaction, to me.
Even if they use it for commercial purposes?
His Royal HighnessThe Duke of Sussex recommends....
If they want to "step away" from the Royal Family then they should. Since they have branded themselves as "Sussex" losing "HRH" would appear to be less of an issue than renouncing "Sussex". "His Grace, the Duke of Sussex" is not too shabby.....
And it does appear to be a Letters Patent issue, not a Bill/Act of Attainder...
The correlation between Leavers and Meghan haters seems very strong indeed.
On the day the WDA passed the Commons, a dusky immigrant was harassed out of the country. Coincidence or not?
There does seem to be more anger at Harry and Meghan than there was at Andrew. In the latter case there was much contempt and taking the piss but there seems more genuine anger here. Slightly odd.
I don’t think the size of the royal family is the issue. There are a lot of public duties to perform and charities to sponsor in the UK and throughout the Commonwealth, and Anne, Edward and even Kent do a good job on those, and help promote brand Britain. I’m not sure how those individuals stopping doing that and doing something in the private sector instead adds to the gaiety of the nation, or enhances its profile.
The issue is when they themselves become the story, and act selfishly, pompously or don’t play by the rules.
I suppose you could argue the more people in it the bigger the risk of that but there are only so many royal duties those directly in line to the throne can perform.
Looking into some of the numbers around Harry, it seem as though he wouldn't need to work. Invested correctly, they could live from the income generated by it as long as they don't have an overly extravagant lifestyle.
The correlation between Leavers and Meghan haters seems very strong indeed.
On the day the WDA passed the Commons, a dusky immigrant was harassed out of the country. Coincidence or not?
There does seem to be more anger at Harry and Meghan than there was at Andrew. In the latter case there was much contempt and taking the piss but there seems more genuine anger here. Slightly odd.
You expect people to react sanely? I think the issue here is that few people liked Andrew, a lot more people like Harry.
However, he is now (except for very strange and large disaster) spare and should he not be allowed to do what he wants to do.
Other sources suggest According to Mrs Koenig*, Prince Harry can simply renounce his peerage. However, to rescind his HRH title, The Queen would likely need to issue a Letters Patent.
When Princess Margaret was confronted with her options over Townsend it was losing her HRH that swung it.....
It just seems like a huge over-reaction, to me.
Even if they use it for commercial purposes?
His Royal HighnessThe Duke of Sussex recommends....
If they want to "step away" from the Royal Family then they should. Since they have branded themselves as "Sussex" losing "HRH" would appear to be less of an issue than renouncing "Sussex". "His Grace, the Duke of Sussex" is not too shabby.....
And it does appear to be a Letters Patent issue, not a Bill/Act of Attainder...
News bulletin began: government officials from the US, UK and Canada are all now suggesting....
Was preparing for a Harry and Meghan update whereas the item was about Iran and the plane ffs.
That is, in all seriousness, a very, very horrible story. It reflects extremely badly on Iran.
The irony is that old fool Khamenei will now probably shoot several of his own generals for this cock up, which will damage the government further.
The further irony is of course that whether it’s true or not people will believe it because it’s exactly the sort of stupid error the Iranians would make and then try to cover up (cf those Marines and their boats).
It is an easy mistake to make. That is how the USS Vincennes shot down a scheduled flight in 1988, killing 290 innocent people.
Because in 30 years there has been no progress with tracking technology?
There's a more than a good chance that Iran's tech is 30 years old.
There's more than a good chance that it is not close to what the USS Vincennes had available to it in 1988. My guess is they thought the airliner was some sort of intercept bomber responding to the firing of rockets.
News bulletin began: government officials from the US, UK and Canada are all now suggesting....
Was preparing for a Harry and Meghan update whereas the item was about Iran and the plane ffs.
That is, in all seriousness, a very, very horrible story. It reflects extremely badly on Iran.
The irony is that old fool Khamenei will now probably shoot several of his own generals for this cock up, which will damage the government further.
The further irony is of course that whether it’s true or not people will believe it because it’s exactly the sort of stupid error the Iranians would make and then try to cover up (cf those Marines and their boats).
It is an easy mistake to make. That is how the USS Vincennes shot down a scheduled flight in 1988, killing 290 innocent people.
Because in 30 years there has been no progress with tracking technology?
There's a more than a good chance that Iran's tech is 30 years old.
Looking into some of the numbers around Harry, it seem as though he wouldn't need to work. Invested correctly, they could live from the income generated by it as long as they don't have an overly extravagant lifestyle.
The correlation between Leavers and Meghan haters seems very strong indeed.
On the day the WDA passed the Commons, a dusky immigrant was harassed out of the country. Coincidence or not?
There does seem to be more anger at Harry and Meghan than there was at Andrew. In the latter case there was much contempt and taking the piss but there seems more genuine anger here. Slightly odd.
Nothing to do with directly flouting the instructions of his 93 year old grandmother with her ailing husband?
The most remarkable thing about that Trump clip is the contrast with the bumbling, physically diminished, drawling, semi-incoherent Trump of today. His decline is very marked. I wonder if he is actually capable of the demands of a full-on presidential campaign.
News bulletin began: government officials from the US, UK and Canada are all now suggesting....
Was preparing for a Harry and Meghan update whereas the item was about Iran and the plane ffs.
That is, in all seriousness, a very, very horrible story. It reflects extremely badly on Iran.
The irony is that old fool Khamenei will now probably shoot several of his own generals for this cock up, which will damage the government further.
The further irony is of course that whether it’s true or not people will believe it because it’s exactly the sort of stupid error the Iranians would make and then try to cover up (cf those Marines and their boats).
It is an easy mistake to make. That is how the USS Vincennes shot down a scheduled flight in 1988, killing 290 innocent people.
Because in 30 years there has been no progress with tracking technology?
You can have all the technology you like but it doesn't matter if there is a jumpy idiot on a switch somewhere in the decision loop.
The Tehran shootdown was by a 2007 vintage SA-15 Grumble.
The correlation between Leavers and Meghan haters seems very strong indeed.
On the day the WDA passed the Commons, a dusky immigrant was harassed out of the country. Coincidence or not?
There does seem to be more anger at Harry and Meghan than there was at Andrew. In the latter case there was much contempt and taking the piss but there seems more genuine anger here. Slightly odd.
You expect people to react sanely? I think the issue here is that few people liked Andrew, a lot more people like Harry.
However, he is now (except for very strange and large disaster) spare and should he not be allowed to do what he wants to do.
Then he should not seek to do what he wants and get the benefits of royalty. Full support to him to cut his own path.
News bulletin began: government officials from the US, UK and Canada are all now suggesting....
Was preparing for a Harry and Meghan update whereas the item was about Iran and the plane ffs.
That is, in all seriousness, a very, very horrible story. It reflects extremely badly on Iran.
The irony is that old fool Khamenei will now probably shoot several of his own generals for this cock up, which will damage the government further.
The further irony is of course that whether it’s true or not people will believe it because it’s exactly the sort of stupid error the Iranians would make and then try to cover up (cf those Marines and their boats).
It is an easy mistake to make. That is how the USS Vincennes shot down a scheduled flight in 1988, killing 290 innocent people.
Because in 30 years there has been no progress with tracking technology?
It’s the kind of mistake all militaries tend to make at times of high tension. As for the technology, a heavily sanctioned state like Iran cuts corners of necessity rather than by choice. The Iranian regime is a highly unpleasant one, and will quite likely cock up their response to this terrible error - but their only real difference to (say) the Saudi regime is that they aren’t our allies.
Looking into some of the numbers around Harry, it seem as though he wouldn't need to work. Invested correctly, they could live from the income generated by it as long as they don't have an overly extravagant lifestyle.
But their need for an overly extravagant lifestyle is exactly why they want to give up their current roles. It seems that at least one of them didn’t understand that the Royals being one of the richest families in the world doesn’t mean they have unlimited personal wealth to spend as they please.
The correlation between Leavers and Meghan haters seems very strong indeed.
On the day the WDA passed the Commons, a dusky immigrant was harassed out of the country. Coincidence or not?
There does seem to be more anger at Harry and Meghan than there was at Andrew. In the latter case there was much contempt and taking the piss but there seems more genuine anger here. Slightly odd.
You expect people to react sanely? I think the issue here is that few people liked Andrew, a lot more people like Harry.
However, he is now (except for very strange and large disaster) spare and should he not be allowed to do what he wants to do.
Then he should not seek to do what he wants and get the benefits of royalty. Full support to him to cut his own path.
Do we know what he is asking for or are we just assuming what the press scare stories are saying - I'm not paying that much attention as I can't be arsed to check if the stories relate to reality (they never usually do).
Yes, I think Trump is toast but it would be nice to get a US recession this year to make absolutely sure of that.
Kinabalu, any tidbits to report regarding your LP meeting?
Did you see Wulfrun-Phils`s comments about his LP Meeting last night? The ex-MP didn`t even show up. Not sure whether the ex-MP lives in the constituency or was one of the parachuted-in types.
News bulletin began: government officials from the US, UK and Canada are all now suggesting....
Was preparing for a Harry and Meghan update whereas the item was about Iran and the plane ffs.
That is, in all seriousness, a very, very horrible story. It reflects extremely badly on Iran.
The irony is that old fool Khamenei will now probably shoot several of his own generals for this cock up, which will damage the government further.
The further irony is of course that whether it’s true or not people will believe it because it’s exactly the sort of stupid error the Iranians would make and then try to cover up (cf those Marines and their boats).
It is an easy mistake to make. That is how the USS Vincennes shot down a scheduled flight in 1988, killing 290 innocent people.
Because in 30 years there has been no progress with tracking technology?
You can have all the technology you like but it doesn't matter if there is a jumpy idiot on a switch somewhere in the decision loop.
The Tehran shootdown was by a 2007 vintage SA-15 Grumble.
Within 3 minutes of take off and more than 3 minutes from any Iranian border.
Nah. It's all part and parcel of having a royal family. Let's not get het up about rounding errors.
I find myself unable to care what on earth they do. Hearing the various details behind it still leaves me cold.
No we should slim down the whole circus, the taxpayer should only fund those that are directly in line for the throne and their families. That's the Queen, Charles and William. Everyone else should go and get jobs. Andrew, Edward and the rest of the hangers on are unnecessary for us to fund.
You are misunderstanding the monarchy. You can't apply your logic to it to draw some arbitrary line. It is what it is. Why not the state opening of parliament in jeans and a t shirt?
The monarchy, like the party, needs to change with the times. People are tired of funding the losers and weirdos like Andrew, it might be a low cost, but it is a very visible sore point for the royal family.
Think about that statement. The monarchy needs to change with the times. Says who and how? It's nonsense.
The public, if they don't they will get swept away. Lots of people respect and appreciate the Queen. However, her reign is coming to an end and I'm fairly sure that the drum beat of republicanism will start again, and if the hangers on are still there people will be receptive to getting rid of the lot of them.
The correlation between Leavers and Meghan haters seems very strong indeed.
On the day the WDA passed the Commons, a dusky immigrant was harassed out of the country. Coincidence or not?
You demean yourself with posts like this.
So Foxy thinks if Meghan wasn't "dusky" no one would be objecting?
The British establishment is adept at freezing out those who do not fit its cozy world. I suspect that they would have been more tolerant of her ethnicity if she had played the part of a simpering clothes horse.
Looking into some of the numbers around Harry, it seem as though he wouldn't need to work. Invested correctly, they could live from the income generated by it as long as they don't have an overly extravagant lifestyle.
But their need for an overly extravagant lifestyle is exactly why they want to give up their current roles. It seems that at least one of them didn’t understand that the Royals being one of the richest families in the world doesn’t mean they have unlimited personal wealth to spend as they please.
Oh really? It has nothing to do with them wanting to bring up their child away from the vultures in the British media?
The correlation between Leavers and Meghan haters seems very strong indeed.
On the day the WDA passed the Commons, a dusky immigrant was harassed out of the country. Coincidence or not?
You demean yourself with posts like this.
So Foxy thinks if Meghan wasn't "dusky" no one would be objecting?
It’s a bit like the Diane Abbott fans who thought every criticism of her was because she was black and female, as opposed to innumerate and illiterate.
News bulletin began: government officials from the US, UK and Canada are all now suggesting....
Was preparing for a Harry and Meghan update whereas the item was about Iran and the plane ffs.
That is, in all seriousness, a very, very horrible story. It reflects extremely badly on Iran.
The irony is that old fool Khamenei will now probably shoot several of his own generals for this cock up, which will damage the government further.
The further irony is of course that whether it’s true or not people will believe it because it’s exactly the sort of stupid error the Iranians would make and then try to cover up (cf those Marines and their boats).
It is an easy mistake to make. That is how the USS Vincennes shot down a scheduled flight in 1988, killing 290 innocent people.
Because in 30 years there has been no progress with tracking technology?
You can have all the technology you like but it doesn't matter if there is a jumpy idiot on a switch somewhere in the decision loop.
The Tehran shootdown was by a 2007 vintage SA-15 Grumble.
Within 3 minutes of take off and more than 3 minutes from any Iranian border.
The other odd bit is that the airliner was ascending, not descending, as would most likely be the case with an aerial threat.
Looking into some of the numbers around Harry, it seem as though he wouldn't need to work. Invested correctly, they could live from the income generated by it as long as they don't have an overly extravagant lifestyle.
But their need for an overly extravagant lifestyle is exactly why they want to give up their current roles. It seems that at least one of them didn’t understand that the Royals being one of the richest families in the world doesn’t mean they have unlimited personal wealth to spend as they please.
Oh really? It has nothing to do with them wanting to bring up their child away from the vultures in the British media?
Must be personal greed. Got it.
Nothing says good parenting like leaving your child with a nanny in Canada whilst you jet over to London to set up your branded website.
Looking into some of the numbers around Harry, it seem as though he wouldn't need to work. Invested correctly, they could live from the income generated by it as long as they don't have an overly extravagant lifestyle.
But their need for an overly extravagant lifestyle is exactly why they want to give up their current roles. It seems that at least one of them didn’t understand that the Royals being one of the richest families in the world doesn’t mean they have unlimited personal wealth to spend as they please.
Oh really? It has nothing to do with them wanting to bring up their child away from the vultures in the British media?
Must be personal greed. Got it.
Nothing says good parenting like leaving your child with a nanny in Canada whilst you jet over to London to set up your branded website.
Do you want them to be financially independent or what?
Firstly you criticise them for not working. Then you criticise them for working.
The most remarkable thing about that Trump clip is the contrast with the bumbling, physically diminished, drawling, semi-incoherent Trump of today. His decline is very marked. I wonder if he is actually capable of the demands of a full-on presidential campaign.
He will be young and sprightly compared to his likely Democratic challengers Biden or Sanders who are both older than Trump
Looking into some of the numbers around Harry, it seem as though he wouldn't need to work. Invested correctly, they could live from the income generated by it as long as they don't have an overly extravagant lifestyle.
Looking into some of the numbers around Harry, it seem as though he wouldn't need to work. Invested correctly, they could live from the income generated by it as long as they don't have an overly extravagant lifestyle.
But their need for an overly extravagant lifestyle is exactly why they want to give up their current roles. It seems that at least one of them didn’t understand that the Royals being one of the richest families in the world doesn’t mean they have unlimited personal wealth to spend as they please.
Oh really? It has nothing to do with them wanting to bring up their child away from the vultures in the British media?
Must be personal greed. Got it.
I’m just going by what they said in their own statement.
I have no problems with the press calling out woke hypocrites who try and lecture normal people on how to live their lives and save the planet, while themselves not wanting to be seen dead flying commercial.
Looking into some of the numbers around Harry, it seem as though he wouldn't need to work. Invested correctly, they could live from the income generated by it as long as they don't have an overly extravagant lifestyle.
But their need for an overly extravagant lifestyle is exactly why they want to give up their current roles. It seems that at least one of them didn’t understand that the Royals being one of the richest families in the world doesn’t mean they have unlimited personal wealth to spend as they please.
Oh really? It has nothing to do with them wanting to bring up their child away from the vultures in the British media?
Must be personal greed. Got it.
I’m just going by what they said in their own statement.
I have no problems with the press calling out woke hypocrites who try and lecture normal people on how to live their lives and save the planet, while themselves not wanting to be seen dead flying commercial.
It's a bit silly to be polling on this, because they haven't yet made the big decision. I doubt many people - royalist or republican - will be opposed to their final decision. What the polling clearly shows is that people do not support their demands for being half-in and half-out.
The most remarkable thing about that Trump clip is the contrast with the bumbling, physically diminished, drawling, semi-incoherent Trump of today. His decline is very marked. I wonder if he is actually capable of the demands of a full-on presidential campaign.
He will be young and sprightly compared to his likely Democratic challengers Biden or Sanders who are both older than Trump
“Young and sprightly” is an interesting way of describing “borderline senile”.
Other sources suggest According to Mrs Koenig*, Prince Harry can simply renounce his peerage. However, to rescind his HRH title, The Queen would likely need to issue a Letters Patent.
When Princess Margaret was confronted with her options over Townsend it was losing her HRH that swung it.....
It just seems like a huge over-reaction, to me.
Even if they use it for commercial purposes?
His Royal HighnessThe Duke of Sussex recommends....
If they want to "step away" from the Royal Family then they should. Since they have branded themselves as "Sussex" losing "HRH" would appear to be less of an issue than renouncing "Sussex". "His Grace, the Duke of Sussex" is not too shabby.....
And it does appear to be a Letters Patent issue, not a Bill/Act of Attainder...
Why shouldn't they be allowed to use it how the hell they like? It's their title.
I'm really struggling to understand how they are more deserving to lose their HRH than Prince Andrew.
In short, no-one cares about Prince Andrew.
People care about Prince Harry.
Then this is not about the future of the monarchy or the royal family. It’s personal.
Both. Many people were invested in Harry as the future of the Royal Family. Human. Humanitarian (Invictus Games and so on). Even Meghan.
I cannot see how Andrew’s predatory, entitled sexual misconduct (to put it mildly) is less damaging to the standing of the royal family than Harry’s desire to look after his own family and earn a crust. I know which one I think damages the monarchy more - and which one harms the country’s reputation the most.
The most remarkable thing about that Trump clip is the contrast with the bumbling, physically diminished, drawling, semi-incoherent Trump of today. His decline is very marked. I wonder if he is actually capable of the demands of a full-on presidential campaign.
He will be young and sprightly compared to his likely Democratic challengers Biden or Sanders who are both older than Trump
“Young and sprightly” is an interesting way of describing “borderline senile”.
Everyone is correct. There is a visible decline in Trump, and Biden. However, this was also raised with Reagan and GW Bush and they still won.
Man with long track record of avoiding detailed scrutiny continues to do all he can to avoid detailed scrutiny shock!
What is this "scrutiny" of which you speak?
The MPs only need to turn up every couple of months, to rubber-stamp what Dominic Cummings has decided is best for the nation....
I certainly agree that the Tory PLP are a bunch of useless drones, only useful as lobby fodder when a vote can no longer be avoided.
As opposed to Tony Blair's bunch of useless drones, only useful as lobby fodder when a vote can no longer be avoided, when he had a majority of 179....
The most remarkable thing about that Trump clip is the contrast with the bumbling, physically diminished, drawling, semi-incoherent Trump of today. His decline is very marked. I wonder if he is actually capable of the demands of a full-on presidential campaign.
He will be young and sprightly compared to his likely Democratic challengers Biden or Sanders who are both older than Trump
“Young and sprightly” is an interesting way of describing “borderline senile”.
It does rather remind me of the succession of grey gerontocrats after Brezhnev in the final days of the USSR. Nancy Pelosi is another example. Not a healthy sign.
Looking into some of the numbers around Harry, it seem as though he wouldn't need to work. Invested correctly, they could live from the income generated by it as long as they don't have an overly extravagant lifestyle.
Sounds a good idea, 60% of Canadians and 62% of young Canadians and 47% of Quebecois back the move and Meghan is Canadian and Canada is a Commonwealth realm. The Canadian PM is also the left liberal woke Justin Trudeau in keeping with their world view
It's a bit silly to be polling on this, because they haven't yet made the big decision. I doubt many people - royalist or republican - will be opposed to their final decision. What the polling clearly shows is that people do not support their demands for being half-in and half-out.
Well it also seems a bit silly for people on social media and PB to condemn the Sussexes before the final decision has been made.
Alternative take: Meghan left her child with a childminder as she commuted to the city to forge an independent income for her family.
You guys are total hypocrites.
Won’t you woke republicans think of the carbon footprint???
You mistake me for a Meghan fan, or a republican. There are much more important things to worry about than an inconsequential family of 3 who happen to post on Instagram occasionally.
Man with long track record of avoiding detailed scrutiny continues to do all he can to avoid detailed scrutiny shock!
What is this "scrutiny" of which you speak?
The MPs only need to turn up every couple of months, to rubber-stamp what Dominic Cummings has decided is best for the nation....
I certainly agree that the Tory PLP are a bunch of useless drones, only useful as lobby fodder when a vote can no longer be avoided.
As opposed to Tony Blair's bunch of useless drones, only useful as lobby fodder when a vote can no longer be avoided, when he had a majority of 179....
I agree, indeed that is one side to why I left the Labour Party in the early noughties.
Francis Pym was sacked in '83 for pointing out that Landslides rarely lead to successful governments.
Looking into some of the numbers around Harry, it seem as though he wouldn't need to work. Invested correctly, they could live from the income generated by it as long as they don't have an overly extravagant lifestyle.
Interesting but unconvincing. The Sussexes do seem to want it both ways but is that hypocrisy? In any case, that is not the real problem which is that people really did care about Harry in the same way they cared about Diana -- both were seen as the new face of the Royal Family, engaging with the public and with serious issues; not aloof and not in it for the perks like Air Miles Andy (even before the Epstein news).
News bulletin began: government officials from the US, UK and Canada are all now suggesting....
Was preparing for a Harry and Meghan update whereas the item was about Iran and the plane ffs.
That is, in all seriousness, a very, very horrible story. It reflects extremely badly on Iran.
The irony is that old fool Khamenei will now probably shoot several of his own generals for this cock up, which will damage the government further.
The further irony is of course that whether it’s true or not people will believe it because it’s exactly the sort of stupid error the Iranians would make and then try to cover up (cf those Marines and their boats).
It is an easy mistake to make. That is how the USS Vincennes shot down a scheduled flight in 1988, killing 290 innocent people.
Because in 30 years there has been no progress with tracking technology?
There's a more than a good chance that Iran's tech is 30 years old.
There's more than a good chance that it is not close to what the USS Vincennes had available to it in 1988. My guess is they thought the airliner was some sort of intercept bomber responding to the firing of rockets.
Most likely. In which case, they would have had seconds to respond to a perceived incoming threat.
Of course, the prudent might have closed the airport whilst missiles were whizzing about.
Looking into some of the numbers around Harry, it seem as though he wouldn't need to work. Invested correctly, they could live from the income generated by it as long as they don't have an overly extravagant lifestyle.
Sounds a good idea, 60% of Canadians and 62% of young Canadians and 47% of Quebecois back the move and Meghan is Canadian and Canada is a Commonwealth realm. The Canadian PM is also the left liberal woke Justin Trudeau in keeping with their world view
And Canada is handy for the American chat show and celebrity circuits.
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Or before 2028.
Or (if he wants the job that long) 2032.
What's the longest uninterrupted reign as PM, btw?
https://twitter.com/telepolitics/status/1215505389770432517?s=21
It’s a view.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/corbyn-pmqs-boris-johnson-trump-trade-deal-brexit-commons-a9275186.html
Pitt the Younger - 17 years
Lord Liverpool - 15 years
Lord North - 12 years
Margaret Thatcher - 11 years
Tony Blair - 10 years
I’ve got a feeling there was another 18th century PM who topped a decade, but I can’t remember who it is.
https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1215367276913922049?s=21
He can give up the top job just at the age Bernie is going for it.
People care about Prince Harry.
The MPs only need to turn up every couple of months, to rubber-stamp what Dominic Cummings has decided is best for the nation....
In medieval ones the crap ones would suffer rebellion and death in battle, or execution.
In modern times they’re put out to pasture or encouraged to abdicate, with the catastrophic risk of a republic hanging over the whole thing if they aren’t.
https://twitter.com/RyanONe75874828/status/1215050566096867328?s=19
The issue is when they themselves become the story, and act selfishly, pompously or don’t play by the rules.
I suppose you could argue the more people in it the bigger the risk of that but there are only so many royal duties those directly in line to the throne can perform.
https://twitter.com/nationalpost/status/1215333657700945921?s=19
However, he is now (except for very strange and large disaster) spare and should he not be allowed to do what he wants to do.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tor_missile_system
Nothing to do with directly flouting the instructions of his 93 year old grandmother with her ailing husband?
The Tehran shootdown was by a 2007 vintage SA-15 Grumble.
As for the technology, a heavily sanctioned state like Iran cuts corners of necessity rather than by choice.
The Iranian regime is a highly unpleasant one, and will quite likely cock up their response to this terrible error - but their only real difference to (say) the Saudi regime is that they aren’t our allies.
Did you see Wulfrun-Phils`s comments about his LP Meeting last night? The ex-MP didn`t even show up. Not sure whether the ex-MP lives in the constituency or was one of the parachuted-in types.
Must be personal greed. Got it.
Firstly you criticise them for not working. Then you criticise them for working.
You guys are total hypocrites.
I have no problems with the press calling out woke hypocrites who try and lecture normal people on how to live their lives and save the planet, while themselves not wanting to be seen dead flying commercial.
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2020/01/prince-harry-meghan-markle-hypocrisy-royals/604714/
How they try and square the funding circle will determine public perceptions going forward, it seems.
Francis Pym was sacked in '83 for pointing out that Landslides rarely lead to successful governments.
It's the sense of betrayal not hypocrisy.
Of course, the prudent might have closed the airport whilst missiles were whizzing about.