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edited November 2013 in General

politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » CONHome’s Harry Phibbs ups the stakes in our wager on the GE2015 outcome

The next General Election has already been calculated..and the Tories win! Will @MSmithsonPB hand over the £100 now? http://t.co/gG5qwH5mOS

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  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Mike has laid off on Betfair for certain return ;)
  • TEST
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    FPT: Interesting. This one looks like it will run and run.
    Michael Crick ‏@MichaelLCrick 42m

    C4 News has tonight submitted FOI request to CPS to provide "any evidence" to justify their claim the Plebgate CCTV we showed was "edited"
  • Apologies for the technical problems, the site owner has a new phone and well.
  • Apologies for the technical problems, the site owner has a new phone and well.

    Has he thrown the phone down the well?

  • Apologies for the technical problems, the site owner has a new phone and well.

    Has he thrown the phone down the well?

    I'm tempted to throw my phone out of the train at the moment.

    Publishing PB Threads on a train, where the service ranges from 4G to no service at all is a challenge.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,540
    edited November 2013
    Have you defined 'win'?

    Form a government/most seats/most votes, most votes/seats in continuing UK.....watch from opposition as Labour preside over housing bubble (© tim) collapse?
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    tim said:

    "Phibbs, who is well known within the party for his eccentricity"

    http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=yapWAAAAIBAJ&pg=4507,3865568

    I find that hard to believe. ;)
    Tim Fenton ‏@zelo_street 5 Sep

    UPDATED "Dirty" Harry Phibbs @harryph backs Toby Young @toadmeister attempt to become an MP, so pre-organised http://zelo.tv/1fziDjo #Tories
  • isamisam Posts: 40,731

    isam said:


    @SouthamObserver

    We argued about Arsenal and Spurs success/spending/wages a while ago, here is quite an interesting article about Arsenals spending (transfers & wages) in the Wenger years.

    http://www.sportingintelligence.com/2013/10/24/arsene-wenger-what-is-he-good-for-251001/


    Very interesting. Look at the wages spend. Spurs are so far (hundreds of millions) below the others.



    To be fair you would expect a team constantly in the top 4 / winning trophies to pay their players more than one finishing between 5th & 14th... no performance related bonus payments must make a big difference for starters!



  • R0bertsR0berts Posts: 391

    Apologies for the technical problems, the site owner has a new phone and well.

    A new well, eh? Flash harry, has he had a big bet come in or something?
  • R0bertsR0berts Posts: 391
    We haven't had a new well dug for ages.

    Bloody Tories and their austerity.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited November 2013
    SeanT said:

    I'm waiting for the first imam to say that the baby in the Watkins case was "asking for it" by having her nappy slightly loosened, showing too much thigh, etc

    Think that's a sick joke? -


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/saudiarabia/9848469/Saudi-Arabian-cleric-declares-babies-should-wear-burkas.html

    Apparently Watkins said he couldn't remember most of what he did thanks to crystal meth.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2513820/Ian-Watkins-Lostprophets-singer-pleads-GUILTY-attempted-rape-baby.html

    "They also spoke of plans to blow crystal-meth smoke into the child's face at a secret meet up in a Cardiff hotel.

    And on March 23, Watkins sent the woman a message saying he wanted a 'summer of filthy child porn' and how he wanted to take things 'to the next level'.

    Mr Clee also gave details of a sickening 17-minute video involving Watkins and Woman A.

    Mr Clee said camcorder footage was shot in a London hotel room which showed Watkins perform a sex act on the child."
  • RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    FPT @TheWatcher


    "Not all bad then Roger"

    No not all bad.That was what was so chilling. The sheer normality of it.They spoke voluntarily to an Israeli interviewer so you could say they had a conscience. But putting yourself in the mind of the Palestinians you could understand fear beyond imagination.

    cont...

    Very interesting comment from the director that you added. I as a viewer found it profound and depressing and ironically was the reason for my irritation with Max. It was the nuanced horror and the moral dilemmas that made his comments about paedophiles seem so childish. (I only watched it a couple of days ago)
  • Channel 4 & Mitchell coming out fighting.....
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,279
    It is hard to understand the guy who wanted to have sex with a baby, and harder still to understand how a mother would go along with it.

    Some poor shrink is going to have to deal with the guy, once he survives his first week of a life sentence.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,074
    Please, for the love of God, no more references to the details of what Watkins and his associates did. It is unbearable to know that such evil exists in the world. Enough to know that he will be getting the punishment due to him. I only hope that the children are getting the help they need.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,408
    Cyclefree said:

    Please, for the love of God, no more references to the details of what Watkins and his associates did. It is unbearable to know that such evil exists in the world. Enough to know that he will be getting the punishment due to him. I only hope that the children are getting the help they need.

    Seconded
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 113,972
    edited November 2013
    David Jack ‏@DJack_Journo 53s

    MT @tnewtondunn: Andrew Mitchell tells @Channel4News he has "an understanding" with PM that he will get his Cabinet minister's job back.

    Edit - Perhaps not, see Carlotta's and RichardTyndall's comments above.
  • kle4 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Please, for the love of God, no more references to the details of what Watkins and his associates did. It is unbearable to know that such evil exists in the world. Enough to know that he will be getting the punishment due to him. I only hope that the children are getting the help they need.

    Seconded
    Thirded

  • David Jack ‏@DJack_Journo 53s

    MT @tnewtondunn: Andrew Mitchell tells @Channel4News he has "an understanding" with PM that he will get his Cabinet minister's job back.

    Pardon?

    I just watched that interview in full and when he was asked that question he refused to answer and all he would say was that he was in contact with Cameron and would like to serve again. He emphatically did not say he would be getting his job back.
  • David Jack ‏@DJack_Journo 53s

    MT @tnewtondunn: Andrew Mitchell tells @Channel4News he has "an understanding" with PM that he will get his Cabinet minister's job back.

    That's not actually what he said.....he simply said he "had an understanding" with the PM..

  • RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    edited November 2013
    Having watched Mitchell.......I was impressed with his righteous indignation. It seemed real. He obviously feels he's suffered an injustice and the police are not unknown to cook something up if it suits them..........BUT

    The chances of so many policemen being involved in a conspiracy? I think that would stretch the credibility even of Tapestry.
  • Cyclefree said:

    Please, for the love of God, no more references to the details of what Watkins and his associates did. It is unbearable to know that such evil exists in the world. Enough to know that he will be getting the punishment due to him. I only hope that the children are getting the help they need.

    Absolutely. We really don't need to know any more details of this.
  • Carlotta/Richard - Thanks.
  • Carlotta/Richard - Thanks.

    Tom Newton Dunn may not be a disinterested party in this fight......
  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,650
    I thought the consensus on PB was CCTV seemingly disproved the police`s version of events.Clearly CPS didn`t agree and have said it doesn`t prove either account to be true.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,539
    edited November 2013
    Roger said:

    Having watched mitchell.......I was impressed with his righteous indignation. It seemed real. He obviously feels he's suffered an injustice and the police are not unknown to cook something up if it suits them..........BUT

    The chances of so many policemen being involved in a conspiracy? I think that would stretch the credibility even of Tapestry.

    There wasn't a *grand* conspiracy - as I've said passim, if there had been, it would have worked. Instead, I think there was a bunch of people using events to further their own ends. One or two policemen lied, then the false log was given to the Sun, an email was sent, then the police fed bloke made that sick comment about the dead policewomen, and then the three police fed reps lied.

    It can be everyone just reacting to what was going on. Which, if anything, is more worrying for us ordinary plebs in our dealings with the police.

    I agree, Mitchell was on form.
  • Roger said:

    The chances of so many policemen being involved in a conspiracy? I think that would stretch the credibility even of Tapestry.

    I guess we'll have to wait for the trial to find out how a policeman who allegedly wasn't there knew what to email his MP then...telepathy?
  • Roger said:

    Having watched Mitchell.......I was impressed with his righteous indignation. It seemed real. He obviously feels he's suffered an injustice and the police are not unknown to cook something up if it suits them..........BUT

    The chances of so many policemen being involved in a conspiracy? I think that would stretch the credibility even of Tapestry.

    Never heard about Hillsborough? Orgreave?

    Don't even get me started on Jean Charles De Menenez

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-360051/Tube-CCTV-Was-cover-up.html
  • SMukesh said:

    I thought the consensus on PB was CCTV seemingly disproved the police`s version of events.Clearly CPS didn`t agree and have said it doesn`t prove either account to be true.

    Channel 4 have submitted an FOI request to the CPS on their claims that C4's footage was "edited".

  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,559
    tim said:

    A right scrap this

    Tom Newton Dunn ‏@tnewtondunn 1m
    BREAKING: PC Toby Rowland refutes #plebgate allegations, and: "I can confirm that I am prepared to give evidence under oath if required".

    Fabricant putting the boot into Mitchell too.

    Labour still got no policies then ?

    This site's in dire need of an ED IS CRAP thread.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,408
    Roger said:

    Having watched Mitchell.......I was impressed with his righteous indignation. It seemed real. He obviously feels he's suffered an injustice and the police are not unknown to cook something up if it suits them..........BUT

    The chances of so many policemen being involved in a conspiracy? I think that would stretch the credibility even of Tapestry.

    I don't think so. These things spiral. Someone either made up politically toxic phrases to attribute to Mitchell or leaked those true phrases to other officers, who might well independently have decided to do something else with them, like give them to the press and pretend to be a witness to it. The others then get caught up trying to manage the situation and cover up the misconduct of a colleague, making themselves complicit in gross misconduct in the process.

    It's not like it's a pre-planned conspiracy, but someone does something stupid because Mitchell pisses them off, others get involved and before you know it it is a national issue, then the Police Federation outright lie about something tangentially connected to advance their own cause, then the lies start to unravel...and so on.

    The CPS comments on the CCTV being edited are very interesting and need to be looked at, but the account put forward by Mitchell comes across as far more credible given that several police in the situation have, even the timid CPS believe, been either outright incorrect (as in the case of the one charged), or otherwise involved in activities which amount to gross misconduct.
  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,650

    SMukesh said:

    I thought the consensus on PB was CCTV seemingly disproved the police`s version of events.Clearly CPS didn`t agree and have said it doesn`t prove either account to be true.

    Channel 4 have submitted an FOI request to the CPS on their claims that C4's footage was "edited".

    I think the CPS claim that they have more footage from more cameras than the ones in public knowledge.I am quite prepared to take them at their word.

    Not quite sure they are stating the footage was edited.
  • tim said:

    A right scrap this

    Tom Newton Dunn ‏@tnewtondunn 1m
    BREAKING: PC Toby Rowland refutes #plebgate allegations, and: "I can confirm that I am prepared to give evidence under oath if required".

    Fabricant putting the boot into Mitchell too.

    Labour still got no policies then ?

    This site's in dire need of an ED IS CRAP thread.
    I hope to publish one on Friday.
  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,650

    tim said:

    A right scrap this

    Tom Newton Dunn ‏@tnewtondunn 1m
    BREAKING: PC Toby Rowland refutes #plebgate allegations, and: "I can confirm that I am prepared to give evidence under oath if required".

    Fabricant putting the boot into Mitchell too.

    Labour still got no policies then ?

    This site's in dire need of an ED IS CRAP thread.
    I hope to publish one on Friday.
    I hope you have one for May 2015 when Ed is PM.
  • Channel 4 has another Flowers story -Rochdale Council are investigating his time as Vice Chair on the Social Services Cttee which failed to investigate allegations of abuse at a boy's school....
  • SMukesh said:

    I hope you have one for May 2015 when Ed is PM.

    Don't worry, there will be an unrelenting stream of those in all the media, especially from former Labour supporters.
  • SMukesh said:

    tim said:

    A right scrap this

    Tom Newton Dunn ‏@tnewtondunn 1m
    BREAKING: PC Toby Rowland refutes #plebgate allegations, and: "I can confirm that I am prepared to give evidence under oath if required".

    Fabricant putting the boot into Mitchell too.

    Labour still got no policies then ?

    This site's in dire need of an ED IS CRAP thread.
    I hope to publish one on Friday.
    I hope you have one for May 2015 when Ed is PM.
    I also have an Ed is great thread for the weekend as well.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited November 2013
    The problem re. Watkins is that he can't be given a whole life tariff because the European Court of Human Rights has ruled against their imposition.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,559

    tim said:

    A right scrap this

    Tom Newton Dunn ‏@tnewtondunn 1m
    BREAKING: PC Toby Rowland refutes #plebgate allegations, and: "I can confirm that I am prepared to give evidence under oath if required".

    Fabricant putting the boot into Mitchell too.

    Labour still got no policies then ?

    This site's in dire need of an ED IS CRAP thread.
    I hope to publish one on Friday.
    Could you make it a bit more european with characters like Eduardo Mierdaband or Ralph Kackensohn ? They can't be polished but there's always the glitter option to make them seem more interesting than actually are.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,408
    edited November 2013
    tim said:

    A right scrap this

    Tom Newton Dunn ‏@tnewtondunn 1m
    BREAKING: PC Toby Rowland refutes #plebgate allegations, and: "I can confirm that I am prepared to give evidence under oath if required".
    .

    Given I cannot see a scenario where he was not in some way complicit in the gross misconduct of his fellows given it was his account that was leaked (unless he immediately named those who could have done so in an effort to have them punished), and apparently never stepped forward to point out that the guy charged was never there with his nephew or whatever else he claimed in his letter, I'm afraid I would find it hard to trust the veracity of anything PC Rowland said even under oath.

    Either he lied about what Mitchell said and did, or he was complicit in taking actions amounting to misconduct designed to ruin Mitchell for what Mitchell did say, or he had nothing to do with any of the misconduct but is apparently totally clueless as he was unable to shorten the investigation by a year and point out who the only people who could have leaked the information were.

    One thing is for certain, the Police Federation cannot claim to be outraged even if Mitchell is outright lying and accusing PC Rowland of falsity, given their own behaviour in the affair.
  • tim said:

    A right scrap this

    Tom Newton Dunn ‏@tnewtondunn 1m
    BREAKING: PC Toby Rowland refutes #plebgate allegations, and: "I can confirm that I am prepared to give evidence under oath if required".

    Fabricant putting the boot into Mitchell too.

    Labour still got no policies then ?

    This site's in dire need of an ED IS CRAP thread.
    I hope to publish one on Friday.
    Could you make it a bit more european with characters like Eduardo Mierdaband or Ralph Kackensohn ? They can't be polished but there's always the glitter option to make them seem more interesting than actually are.
    Possibly, I'm currently writing one thread, not on Ed, one which I suspect may cause the site to meltdown.....
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,559
    SMukesh said:

    tim said:

    A right scrap this

    Tom Newton Dunn ‏@tnewtondunn 1m
    BREAKING: PC Toby Rowland refutes #plebgate allegations, and: "I can confirm that I am prepared to give evidence under oath if required".

    Fabricant putting the boot into Mitchell too.

    Labour still got no policies then ?

    This site's in dire need of an ED IS CRAP thread.
    I hope to publish one on Friday.
    I hope you have one for May 2015 when Ed is PM.
    Don't despair, crappest PM ever would make a good thread. We could have pictures of him with Hollande labelled Dumb and Dumber.

  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,941
    Has the Scottish proposal been costed, or are they just general promises? Haven't actually read too much into it yet.
  • SMukesh said:

    SMukesh said:

    I thought the consensus on PB was CCTV seemingly disproved the police`s version of events.Clearly CPS didn`t agree and have said it doesn`t prove either account to be true.

    Channel 4 have submitted an FOI request to the CPS on their claims that C4's footage was "edited".

    Not quite sure they are stating the footage was edited.
    We have considered all of the evidence in this case, including previously unseen, unedited CCTV footage from Downing Street, not referred to by the media.

    http://blog.cps.gov.uk/2013/11/cps-decisions-in-operation-alice-incident-at-downing-street-on-19-september-2012.html
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,559

    tim said:

    A right scrap this

    Tom Newton Dunn ‏@tnewtondunn 1m
    BREAKING: PC Toby Rowland refutes #plebgate allegations, and: "I can confirm that I am prepared to give evidence under oath if required".

    Fabricant putting the boot into Mitchell too.

    Labour still got no policies then ?

    This site's in dire need of an ED IS CRAP thread.
    I hope to publish one on Friday.
    Could you make it a bit more european with characters like Eduardo Mierdaband or Ralph Kackensohn ? They can't be polished but there's always the glitter option to make them seem more interesting than actually are.
    Possibly, I'm currently writing one thread, not on Ed, one which I suspect may cause the site to meltdown.....
    PM Nick and his DPM Nigel ?
  • The big mystery to me is why someone as smart as Harry Phibbs would enter into this bet with Mike Smithson, thereby limiting his winnings to £200 at evens, when for the same stake he could have obtained odds of 6/4 with BetVictor, thereby standing to increase his winnings to £300 ..... very strange.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,408
    edited November 2013
    SMukesh said:

    SMukesh said:

    I thought the consensus on PB was CCTV seemingly disproved the police`s version of events.Clearly CPS didn`t agree and have said it doesn`t prove either account to be true.

    Channel 4 have submitted an FOI request to the CPS on their claims that C4's footage was "edited".

    I think the CPS claim that they have more footage from more cameras than the ones in public knowledge.I am quite prepared to take them at their word.

    Not quite sure they are stating the footage was edited.
    However the CPS statement on Tuesday said the programme "showed edited footage that was less than clear in a number of regards".

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-25101706
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,265


    Thirded

    Fourthed.

  • tim said:

    A right scrap this

    Tom Newton Dunn ‏@tnewtondunn 1m
    BREAKING: PC Toby Rowland refutes #plebgate allegations, and: "I can confirm that I am prepared to give evidence under oath if required".

    Fabricant putting the boot into Mitchell too.

    Labour still got no policies then ?

    This site's in dire need of an ED IS CRAP thread.
    I hope to publish one on Friday.
    Could you make it a bit more european with characters like Eduardo Mierdaband or Ralph Kackensohn ? They can't be polished but there's always the glitter option to make them seem more interesting than actually are.
    Possibly, I'm currently writing one thread, not on Ed, one which I suspect may cause the site to meltdown.....
    PM Nick and his DPM Nigel ?
    Nearly, an (unofficial) electoral pact between UKIP and Labour.....
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,074
    Sean T: The Bible - the New Testament - is a story about someone sacrificing his life to save others.

    That's not quite the same as child murder let alone deliberately harming a child for sexual gratification.

    Yes - murderers and paedophiles are human and have done great evil. We all have the capacity to do good or evil. The difference between us and those who commit evil acts is that some give in to their desires and others don't. We are all moral agents and we can choose between good and evil. And if we choose evil then justice demands punishment.
  • The big mystery to me is why someone as smart as Harry Phibbs would enter into this bet with Mike Smithson, thereby limiting his winnings to £200 at evens, when for the same stake he could have obtained odds of 6/4 with BetVictor, thereby standing to increase his winnings to £300 ..... very strange.

    Because of the bragging rights of winning against Mike? (And of course the impossibility of getting on a bet with Victor..)
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,408

    tim said:

    A right scrap this

    Tom Newton Dunn ‏@tnewtondunn 1m
    BREAKING: PC Toby Rowland refutes #plebgate allegations, and: "I can confirm that I am prepared to give evidence under oath if required".

    Fabricant putting the boot into Mitchell too.

    Labour still got no policies then ?

    This site's in dire need of an ED IS CRAP thread.
    I hope to publish one on Friday.
    Could you make it a bit more european with characters like Eduardo Mierdaband or Ralph Kackensohn ? They can't be polished but there's always the glitter option to make them seem more interesting than actually are.
    Possibly, I'm currently writing one thread, not on Ed, one which I suspect may cause the site to meltdown.....
    Not the long feared Scottish Referendum by AV thread?
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,279
    @CarlottaVance manchester evening news has some details.
  • The Ian Watkins story is not to be discussed on the site
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,279
    good.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,559

    tim said:

    A right scrap this

    Tom Newton Dunn ‏@tnewtondunn 1m
    BREAKING: PC Toby Rowland refutes #plebgate allegations, and: "I can confirm that I am prepared to give evidence under oath if required".

    Fabricant putting the boot into Mitchell too.

    Labour still got no policies then ?

    This site's in dire need of an ED IS CRAP thread.
    I hope to publish one on Friday.
    Could you make it a bit more european with characters like Eduardo Mierdaband or Ralph Kackensohn ? They can't be polished but there's always the glitter option to make them seem more interesting than actually are.
    Possibly, I'm currently writing one thread, not on Ed, one which I suspect may cause the site to meltdown.....
    PM Nick and his DPM Nigel ?
    Nearly, an (unofficial) electoral pact between UKIP and Labour.....
    How's that shocking, it's been the status quo for 10 years ? UKIP remain Mandy's best idea.
  • kle4 said:

    tim said:

    A right scrap this

    Tom Newton Dunn ‏@tnewtondunn 1m
    BREAKING: PC Toby Rowland refutes #plebgate allegations, and: "I can confirm that I am prepared to give evidence under oath if required".

    Fabricant putting the boot into Mitchell too.

    Labour still got no policies then ?

    This site's in dire need of an ED IS CRAP thread.
    I hope to publish one on Friday.
    Could you make it a bit more european with characters like Eduardo Mierdaband or Ralph Kackensohn ? They can't be polished but there's always the glitter option to make them seem more interesting than actually are.
    Possibly, I'm currently writing one thread, not on Ed, one which I suspect may cause the site to meltdown.....
    Not the long feared Scottish Referendum by AV thread?
    Not going to happen, if only Dave hadn't vetoed a multi-option referendum
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Apologies for posting details about the Watkins case earlier.
  • tim said:

    A right scrap this

    Tom Newton Dunn ‏@tnewtondunn 1m
    BREAKING: PC Toby Rowland refutes #plebgate allegations, and: "I can confirm that I am prepared to give evidence under oath if required".

    Fabricant putting the boot into Mitchell too.

    Labour still got no policies then ?

    This site's in dire need of an ED IS CRAP thread.
    I hope to publish one on Friday.
    Could you make it a bit more european with characters like Eduardo Mierdaband or Ralph Kackensohn ? They can't be polished but there's always the glitter option to make them seem more interesting than actually are.
    Possibly, I'm currently writing one thread, not on Ed, one which I suspect may cause the site to meltdown.....
    PM Nick and his DPM Nigel ?
    Nearly, an (unofficial) electoral pact between UKIP and Labour.....
    How's that shocking, it's been the status quo for 10 years ? UKIP remain Mandy's best idea.
    UKIP gain Sheffield Hallam and Witney.....
  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,650

    SMukesh said:

    SMukesh said:

    I thought the consensus on PB was CCTV seemingly disproved the police`s version of events.Clearly CPS didn`t agree and have said it doesn`t prove either account to be true.

    Channel 4 have submitted an FOI request to the CPS on their claims that C4's footage was "edited".

    Not quite sure they are stating the footage was edited.
    We have considered all of the evidence in this case, including previously unseen, unedited CCTV footage from Downing Street, not referred to by the media.

    http://blog.cps.gov.uk/2013/11/cps-decisions-in-operation-alice-incident-at-downing-street-on-19-september-2012.html
    Yes,perhaps they did say edited.

    The BBC report that the CPS had footage from 5 cameras whereas Channel 4 had 3 camera angles.

    Again I would imagine for prosecution purposes,the CPS would have gotten hold of the original recordings whereas Channel 4 probably had copies.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,408
    edited November 2013
    SMukesh said:

    SMukesh said:

    SMukesh said:

    I thought the consensus on PB was CCTV seemingly disproved the police`s version of events.Clearly CPS didn`t agree and have said it doesn`t prove either account to be true.

    Channel 4 have submitted an FOI request to the CPS on their claims that C4's footage was "edited".

    Not quite sure they are stating the footage was edited.
    We have considered all of the evidence in this case, including previously unseen, unedited CCTV footage from Downing Street, not referred to by the media.

    http://blog.cps.gov.uk/2013/11/cps-decisions-in-operation-alice-incident-at-downing-street-on-19-september-2012.html
    Yes,perhaps they did say edited.

    The BBC report that the CPS had footage from 5 cameras whereas Channel 4 had 3 camera angles.

    Again I would imagine for prosecution purposes,the CPS would have gotten hold of the original recordings whereas Channel 4 probably had copies.
    That seems reasonable, but given how carefully they must have gone over this given how long it has taken to make an announcement on the case, it's a bit careless to give the impression that Ch.4 edited the footage if that is not what they meant to imply, if it is simply a matter of the CPS having more camera angles to work with which paint a different picture of events.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,559

    tim said:

    A right scrap this

    Tom Newton Dunn ‏@tnewtondunn 1m
    BREAKING: PC Toby Rowland refutes #plebgate allegations, and: "I can confirm that I am prepared to give evidence under oath if required".

    Fabricant putting the boot into Mitchell too.

    Labour still got no policies then ?

    This site's in dire need of an ED IS CRAP thread.
    I hope to publish one on Friday.
    Could you make it a bit more european with characters like Eduardo Mierdaband or Ralph Kackensohn ? They can't be polished but there's always the glitter option to make them seem more interesting than actually are.
    Possibly, I'm currently writing one thread, not on Ed, one which I suspect may cause the site to meltdown.....
    PM Nick and his DPM Nigel ?
    Nearly, an (unofficial) electoral pact between UKIP and Labour.....
    How's that shocking, it's been the status quo for 10 years ? UKIP remain Mandy's best idea.
    UKIP gain Sheffield Hallam and Witney.....
    They wouldn't do that, otherwise they'd have nobody to rant about.
  • The big mystery to me is why someone as smart as Harry Phibbs would enter into this bet with Mike Smithson, thereby limiting his winnings to £200 at evens, when for the same stake he could have obtained odds of 6/4 with BetVictor, thereby standing to increase his winnings to £300 ..... very strange.

    Because of the bragging rights of winning against Mike? (And of course the impossibility of getting on a bet with Victor..)
    They closed you down too eh?

    Can't say I'm surprised; they don't like smart punters.


  • They closed you down too eh?

    Can't say I'm surprised; they don't like smart punters.

    It was the Holyrood elections 2011 wot done for me!
  • tim said:

    A right scrap this

    Tom Newton Dunn ‏@tnewtondunn 1m
    BREAKING: PC Toby Rowland refutes #plebgate allegations, and: "I can confirm that I am prepared to give evidence under oath if required".

    Fabricant putting the boot into Mitchell too.

    Labour still got no policies then ?

    This site's in dire need of an ED IS CRAP thread.
    I hope to publish one on Friday.
    Could you make it a bit more european with characters like Eduardo Mierdaband or Ralph Kackensohn ? They can't be polished but there's always the glitter option to make them seem more interesting than actually are.
    Possibly, I'm currently writing one thread, not on Ed, one which I suspect may cause the site to meltdown.....
    PM Nick and his DPM Nigel ?
    Nearly, an (unofficial) electoral pact between UKIP and Labour.....
    How's that shocking, it's been the status quo for 10 years ? UKIP remain Mandy's best idea.
    UKIP gain Sheffield Hallam and Witney.....
    They wouldn't do that, otherwise they'd have nobody to rant about.
    I met up with a UKIPer friend the other day, and he was of the opinion that if Farage had the option of either unseating Clegg/Cameron in 2015, or UKIP winning 30 seats, he thinks Farage's ego would choose the first option.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,074
    Worth remembering re the Plebgate saga that the bar for a prosecution is quite high. The CPS may well have thought that Mitchell was right on the balance of probabilities, for instance, but that would not be enough to justify a prosecution where the standard is much higher.

    So the fact that they are not proceeding does not tell us conclusively one way or the other who is right or wrong. However I remain of the view that Andrew Mitchell should quit while he is ahead. He has made - and largely won - his point i.e. that the police do not appear to have been truthful about what went on and some have used it for their own purposes in what is an abuse of their power.

    He would do better, IMO, to use this experience to campaign for others - less well known, less well connected - who have suffered similar or much worse abuses of powers by the police. That would do much to redeem the impression that senior Tories are only bothered by police abuse when it happens to them and not when it happens to the rest of us, particularly when the rest of us largely means young black men.

    Perhaps someone senior and sensible within the Tories could have a quiet word with him. Or maybe he could read this blog.
  • jayfdeejayfdee Posts: 618
    kle4 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Please, for the love of God, no more references to the details of what Watkins and his associates did. It is unbearable to know that such evil exists in the world. Enough to know that he will be getting the punishment due to him. I only hope that the children are getting the help they need.

    Seconded
    Thirded,even at the risk of being moderated.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,559

    tim said:

    A right scrap this

    Tom Newton Dunn ‏@tnewtondunn 1m
    BREAKING: PC Toby Rowland refutes #plebgate allegations, and: "I can confirm that I am prepared to give evidence under oath if required".

    Fabricant putting the boot into Mitchell too.

    Labour still got no policies then ?

    This site's in dire need of an ED IS CRAP thread.
    I hope to publish one on Friday.
    Could you make it a bit more european with characters like Eduardo Mierdaband or Ralph Kackensohn ? They can't be polished but there's always the glitter option to make them seem more interesting than actually are.
    Possibly, I'm currently writing one thread, not on Ed, one which I suspect may cause the site to meltdown.....
    PM Nick and his DPM Nigel ?
    Nearly, an (unofficial) electoral pact between UKIP and Labour.....
    How's that shocking, it's been the status quo for 10 years ? UKIP remain Mandy's best idea.
    UKIP gain Sheffield Hallam and Witney.....
    They wouldn't do that, otherwise they'd have nobody to rant about.
    I met up with a UKIPer friend the other day, and he was of the opinion that if Farage had the option of either unseating Clegg/Cameron in 2015, or UKIP winning 30 seats, he thinks Farage's ego would choose the first option.
    wouldn't disagree. Farage has lost the plot
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    An independent Scotland would create its own version of MI5, MI6, GCHQ and the BBC but will still rely on the Bank of England for bailouts, it was revealed today.
    McI5, McI6, GCU Jimmy and Scotia TV...

    Question for any Nats lurking; are you still as vehemently anti-nuke as you were yesterday?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,408
    Cyclefree said:

    Worth remembering re the Plebgate saga that the bar for a prosecution is quite high. The CPS may well have thought that Mitchell was right on the balance of probabilities, for instance, but that would not be enough to justify a prosecution where the standard is much higher.

    So the fact that they are not proceeding does not tell us conclusively one way or the other who is right or wrong. However I remain of the view that Andrew Mitchell should quit while he is ahead. He has made - and largely won - his point i.e. that the police do not appear to have been truthful about what went on and some have used it for their own purposes in what is an abuse of their power.

    He would do better, IMO, to use this experience to campaign for others - less well known, less well connected - who have suffered similar or much worse abuses of powers by the police. That would do much to redeem the impression that senior Tories are only bothered by police abuse when it happens to them and not when it happens to the rest of us, particularly when the rest of us largely means young black men.

    Perhaps someone senior and sensible within the Tories could have a quiet word with him. Or maybe he could read this blog.

    Given his statement, he appears to be trying to link his fight for justice as a campaign for others who have suffered similarly or worse. He kept mentioning how others could not fight back, how much support he has received and how many stories of similar events he has been told about, that if it could happen to him in Downing Street it could happen to anyone, anywhere at any time.

    So he may well be following your advice, but the 'campaign' is to make sure his own case gets taken through to its conclusion as an example and message to the police and those who have suffered at their hands in such ways.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Ferk - Celtic blowing my coupon already - the Bobby Sands banners obviously not doing much for the team. ....
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,074
    kle4 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Worth remembering re the Plebgate saga that the bar for a prosecution is quite high. The CPS may well have thought that Mitchell was right on the balance of probabilities, for instance, but that would not be enough to justify a prosecution where the standard is much higher.

    So the fact that they are not proceeding does not tell us conclusively one way or the other who is right or wrong. However I remain of the view that Andrew Mitchell should quit while he is ahead. He has made - and largely won - his point i.e. that the police do not appear to have been truthful about what went on and some have used it for their own purposes in what is an abuse of their power.

    He would do better, IMO, to use this experience to campaign for others - less well known, less well connected - who have suffered similar or much worse abuses of powers by the police. That would do much to redeem the impression that senior Tories are only bothered by police abuse when it happens to them and not when it happens to the rest of us, particularly when the rest of us largely means young black men.

    Perhaps someone senior and sensible within the Tories could have a quiet word with him. Or maybe he could read this blog.

    Given his statement, he appears to be trying to link his fight for justice as a campaign for others who have suffered similarly or worse. He kept mentioning how others could not fight back, how much support he has received and how many stories of similar events he has been told about, that if it could happen to him in Downing Street it could happen to anyone, anywhere at any time.

    So he may well be following your advice, but the 'campaign' is to make sure his own case gets taken through to its conclusion as an example and message to the police and those who have suffered at their hands in such ways.

    OK I hadn't seen that. I just think that stepping back a bit and giving more details of these other cases may be more helpful now than just talking about himself. He wants to give the impression that he is bothered about them and not just using them to help him in his battle.
  • Life_ina_market_townLife_ina_market_town Posts: 2,319
    edited November 2013
    Removed per Moderator's ruling
  • RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    @RichardN

    "Because of the bragging rights of winning against Mike? (And of course the impossibility of getting on a bet with Victor..)"

    Be kind to Victor. He's an Old Millfieldian. His old headmaster being a compulsive gambler taught him all he knows
  • SeanT - While you're here - You were asking about spooky East Anglian locations. You need to visit Whittlesey
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whittlesey
    My friend moved there by mistake. He took me to "The least scary pub". It was scary.
    Go and see.
    Incidentally, Sir Harry Smith is buried there.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,559
    TGOHF said:

    Ferk - Celtic blowing my coupon already - the Bobby Sands banners obviously not doing much for the team. ....

    I await the translation of Neil Lennon's post match interview, if anyone can understand a Lurgan\Glasgow accent, they're doing better than I can.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,074
    Sean T: we can surely discuss philosophical questions relating to good and evil etc. I think - but am sure the Mods will correct me - that we are not to discuss the details of the vile acts.

    And we don't need to in order to have an intelligent discussion about the nature of good/evil, what it means to be a moral agent, punishment and the rest.

    I make no apologies for asking - really as a matter of decency and personal taste.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    TGOHF said:

    Ferk - Celtic blowing my coupon already - the Bobby Sands banners obviously not doing much for the team. ....

    I await the translation of Neil Lennon's post match interview, if anyone can understand a Lurgan\Glasgow accent, they're doing better than I can.
    Tonight's banner had sands and Willam Wallace with something about one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.

    Not sure Eck will be pleased with that one...
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited November 2013
    Farage hasn't lost the plot: his party is at 15% in the polls despite being ridiculed by the entire political establishment.

    That's no mean feat.
  • Cyclefree said:

    Sean T: we can surely discuss philosophical questions relating to good and evil etc. I think - but am sure the Mods will correct me - that we are not to discuss the details of the vile acts.

    And we don't need to in order to have an intelligent discussion about the nature of good/evil, what it means to be a moral agent, punishment and the rest.

    I make no apologies for asking - really as a matter of decency and personal taste.

    Correct

    And for LifeInAMarketTown (and others) - We will allow comments about what sort of sentencing he can expect, can we just not go into the specific/graphic details of his crimes/acts.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,559
    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    Ferk - Celtic blowing my coupon already - the Bobby Sands banners obviously not doing much for the team. ....

    I await the translation of Neil Lennon's post match interview, if anyone can understand a Lurgan\Glasgow accent, they're doing better than I can.
    Tonight's banner had sands and Willam Wallace with something about one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.

    Not sure Eck will be pleased with that one...
    well. they both experienced radical weight loss towards then end of their lives. Can't see that being Eck's thing.
  • Stuart_DicksonStuart_Dickson Posts: 3,557
    edited November 2013
    Best prices - BBC Sports Personality

    Andy Murray 1/28 (Coral)
    Mo Farah 25/1
    Tony McCoy 40/1
    Ben Ainslie 100/1
    Chris Froome 100/1

    Bit horrifying to see Christine Ohuruogu in the top ten. She was thrice guilty of dodging drugs tests and consequently banned.
  • SeanT said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Sean T: we can surely discuss philosophical questions relating to good and evil etc. I think - but am sure the Mods will correct me - that we are not to discuss the details of the vile acts.

    And we don't need to in order to have an intelligent discussion about the nature of good/evil, what it means to be a moral agent, punishment and the rest.

    I make no apologies for asking - really as a matter of decency and personal taste.

    The problem with the moderators' ruling is revealed by the fact that in.a.market.town (dude, think of a better name!) has felt obliged to remove his entirely sane, informative, sensible and enlightening post on whole life sentences and the EU, because he was worried it was related to Watkins.

    As far as I am concerned we should be allowed to discuss anything we like unless it is illegal/libellous. Ruling subjects offside because they are upsetting is the essence of silliness and effeteness and will be the death of discussion.

    I agree we don't need to linger on Watkins' particular crimes, we can link to the details if necessary. But I have seen no one doing such lingering - instead I've seen a lot of pinafore twitching and people running away from imagined spiders. Tsk.

    I will repair to watch the Borgias. Now there was a family with a bit of backbone.
    SeanT, see the update ruling, you should be ok.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    Ferk - Celtic blowing my coupon already - the Bobby Sands banners obviously not doing much for the team. ....

    I await the translation of Neil Lennon's post match interview, if anyone can understand a Lurgan\Glasgow accent, they're doing better than I can.
    Tonight's banner had sands and Willam Wallace with something about one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.

    Not sure Eck will be pleased with that one...
    well. they both experienced radical weight loss towards then end of their lives. Can't see that being Eck's thing.
    LOL.

    Dangerous thing nationalism - once it's out of the box all sorts of poison seeps out.

  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,559

    Best prices - BBC Sports Personality

    Andy Murray 1/28 (Coral)
    Mo Farah 25/1
    Tony McCoy 40/1
    Ben Ainslie 100/1
    Chris Froome 100/1

    Bit horrifying to see Christine Ohuruogu in the top ten. She was thrice guilty of dodging drugs tests and consequently banned.

    As a fellow Scot I'm rooting for Andy.
  • TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    Ferk - Celtic blowing my coupon already - the Bobby Sands banners obviously not doing much for the team. ....

    I await the translation of Neil Lennon's post match interview, if anyone can understand a Lurgan\Glasgow accent, they're doing better than I can.
    Tonight's banner had sands and Willam Wallace with something about one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.

    Not sure Eck will be pleased with that one...
    well. they both experienced radical weight loss towards then end of their lives. Can't see that being Eck's thing.
    LOL.

    Dangerous thing nationalism - once it's out of the box all sorts of poison seeps out.

    Agreed. British nationalism will only end in tears.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    Ferk - Celtic blowing my coupon already - the Bobby Sands banners obviously not doing much for the team. ....

    I await the translation of Neil Lennon's post match interview, if anyone can understand a Lurgan\Glasgow accent, they're doing better than I can.
    Tonight's banner had sands and Willam Wallace with something about one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.

    Not sure Eck will be pleased with that one...
    well. they both experienced radical weight loss towards then end of their lives. Can't see that being Eck's thing.
    LOL.

    Dangerous thing nationalism - once it's out of the box all sorts of poison seeps out.

    Agreed. British nationalism will only end in tears.
    Not much of that o show tonight - you happy with the comparison ? Sands and Wallace ?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited November 2013
    Leyla Hussein's documentary on FGM has just been put on YouTube by Channel 4:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrFxWoWbqL8&amp

    Sign the epetition here:

    http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/52740
  • TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    Ferk - Celtic blowing my coupon already - the Bobby Sands banners obviously not doing much for the team. ....

    I await the translation of Neil Lennon's post match interview, if anyone can understand a Lurgan\Glasgow accent, they're doing better than I can.
    Tonight's banner had sands and Willam Wallace with something about one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.

    Not sure Eck will be pleased with that one...
    well. they both experienced radical weight loss towards then end of their lives. Can't see that being Eck's thing.
    LOL.

    Dangerous thing nationalism - once it's out of the box all sorts of poison seeps out.

    Agreed. British nationalism will only end in tears.
    Not much of that on show tonight.
    British nationalism is on show permanently here at PB.
  • TGOHF said:

    Ferk - Celtic blowing my coupon already - the Bobby Sands banners obviously not doing much for the team. ....

    I thought Bobby Sands played for Nuneaton

  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    Ferk - Celtic blowing my coupon already - the Bobby Sands banners obviously not doing much for the team. ....

    I await the translation of Neil Lennon's post match interview, if anyone can understand a Lurgan\Glasgow accent, they're doing better than I can.
    Tonight's banner had sands and Willam Wallace with something about one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.

    Not sure Eck will be pleased with that one...
    well. they both experienced radical weight loss towards then end of their lives. Can't see that being Eck's thing.
    LOL.

    Dangerous thing nationalism - once it's out of the box all sorts of poison seeps out.

    Agreed. British nationalism will only end in tears.
    Not much of that on show tonight.
    British nationalism is on show permanently here at PB.
    Chicken - dodged the hard questions - like the white paper.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 12,745
    Evening all :)

    A very long way from today's debates (I hope)...

    I'm heading home from East Ham tube and I stop in the corner shop to get some milk. Balloons are being taken down outside so I ask what was the occasion. The shopkeeper said "it is our leader's 59th birthday" and he showed a picture of a crowd outside the shop which he proudly said was 150 strong.

    I mouthed some platitude and went home with my milk. I got home and did some research and came up with this:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velupillai_Prabhakaran#Death

    It may be over in Sri Lanka but for many Tamils in the UK it clearly isn't.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,408

    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    Ferk - Celtic blowing my coupon already - the Bobby Sands banners obviously not doing much for the team. ....

    I await the translation of Neil Lennon's post match interview, if anyone can understand a Lurgan\Glasgow accent, they're doing better than I can.
    Tonight's banner had sands and Willam Wallace with something about one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.

    Not sure Eck will be pleased with that one...
    well. they both experienced radical weight loss towards then end of their lives. Can't see that being Eck's thing.
    LOL.

    Dangerous thing nationalism - once it's out of the box all sorts of poison seeps out.

    Agreed. British nationalism will only end in tears.
    Not much of that on show tonight.
    British nationalism is on show permanently here at PB.
    Nothing wrong with nationalism. Only excessive nationalism leading to things like Jingoism.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,559

    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    Ferk - Celtic blowing my coupon already - the Bobby Sands banners obviously not doing much for the team. ....

    I await the translation of Neil Lennon's post match interview, if anyone can understand a Lurgan\Glasgow accent, they're doing better than I can.
    Tonight's banner had sands and Willam Wallace with something about one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.

    Not sure Eck will be pleased with that one...
    well. they both experienced radical weight loss towards then end of their lives. Can't see that being Eck's thing.
    LOL.

    Dangerous thing nationalism - once it's out of the box all sorts of poison seeps out.

    Agreed. British nationalism will only end in tears.
    Not much of that on show tonight.
    British nationalism is on show permanently here at PB.
    Shame we never see any scottish nationalism to balance it up.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    edited November 2013
    @TomHarrisMP: After the #indyref White Paper launch, the Yes campaign's masterminds were feeling pretty smug twitter.com/TomHarrisMP/status/405411078084886528/photo/1
  • From what has appeared in the press this evening, it appears that PC Rowland may be called as a witness, and is prepared to give evidence in the Mitchell libel action. The judge will likely be obliged therefore to come to an assessment of the relative credibility of Mr Mitchell and Constable Rowland's accounts. It should be noted that Mitchell has a slight advantage. Once it is established that a statement made by a defendant is prima facie defamatory, which is not in dispute in this case, it is for the defendant publisher to establish a defence.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 40,950
    edited November 2013
    is it (just) a question of picking the most successful sportsperson of the year or do they actually have to have some kind of personality? Or is it a sympathy, time-serving kind of thing?

    I've never quite understood.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,408
    TOPPING said:

    is it (just) a question of picking the most successful sportsperson of the year or do they actually have to have some kind of personality? Or is it a sympathy, time-serving kind of thing?

    I've never quite understood.

    Personality is clearly optional, which is probably fair enough - there are probably many British sportspersons who are fantastic at their job while having the personality of a damp rag, to borrow a phrase, and so the same old group would win every year if it required genuine personality in addition to success.
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