Ah, that tweet from ColinW. Gone from here many moons ago but still fondly remembered. His mum too.
Is that "our* Colin?
Sure is.
Hah! Splendid!
Remind me why we were all obsessed with "Colin's Mum". I have clean forgotten.
Well, someone had to keep him under (semi) control. Not unlike your not self.
I wish I'd had the guts to comment during the SeanT era. I would often find myself convulsed with laughter at the great man's bibulous sallies, to the point of orgasm. I really wish I'd gotten to know him, maybe even become his friend.
Instead I just sat there, in my patterned summer dress, admiring him from afar. Oh well. Too late now.
Shit the bed, will you stop with the man crush on Dave? It was mildly interesting the first time you posted it, but what's this. 3rd? 4th? Accept it, your man is a has been. It's over.
Cameron delivered you the referendum which allowed you to vote to get out of the EU. You should be sucking his dick. Metaphorically.
Yep, Cameron is the arse that gave them what they want. That's why they hate him. They now have to back up their saloon bar bragging with some action. The smell of stale sweat, of fear, of soiled trousers is overwhelming...
@StuartDickson, you'll like this. I heard someone talking about Richard Leonard the other day. Someone with no connection to Scotland, I should add, city dweller.
"I'm really surprised he hasn't done better. The SNP were shitting themselves when he became leader, weren't they?"
It got me thinking about who in Labour the SNP might scared of. I didn't come up with any answers. Perhaps Corbyn a few years ago, but not now. Starmer, maybe?
- “The SNP were shitting themselves when he became leader, weren't they?”
Pissing ourselves with laughter, yes. Shitting ourselves? No. That the person has no connection with Scotland is painfully obvious.
I dont think we were ever “scared” of Labour, even in their glory days when they were nearly 50%. Angry with them. Bewildered. Irritated. Provoked. Yes. But scared? Never.
SLab’s lies and deception were always far too obvious to create fear. They were just a bit too thick. Those people deserve pity.
There are one or two Unionists who I respect, but I’m not scared of any of them.
Shit the bed, will you stop with the man crush on Dave? It was mildly interesting the first time you posted it, but what's this. 3rd? 4th? Accept it, your man is a has been. It's over.
It is the second time I posted it because the poster I tagged it in originally was around and was around now. I knew it would amuse him because of love of Michael Gove.
The rest of your post is as impressive as numeracy.
I thought it was twice on the last thread. My bad, maybe. I forgot you're the PB golden child, I should be honoured you even acknowledge me.
Shit the bed, will you stop with the man crush on Dave? It was mildly interesting the first time you posted it, but what's this. 3rd? 4th? Accept it, your man is a has been. It's over.
Cameron delivered you the referendum which allowed you to vote to get out of the EU. You should be sucking his dick. Metaphorically.
Yep, Cameron is the arse that gave them what they want. That's why they hate him. They now have to back up their saloon bar bragging with some action. The smell of stale sweat, of fear, of soiled trousers is overwhelming...
I genuinely think that is out of order. For me, the EU was never a big thing. I wasn't a great fan, but even Alistair Meeks doesn't really like the EU that much, he just thinks we're better off in it. I'm not keen on the political aspect of it, but the rest is pretty good. Cameron played Billy Big Bollocks and gave us a choice. Call me naive, but I expected there to be a plan, as Dave was really good at this shit. Allegedly. He wasn't. It's gone wrong. Do I regret my vote? Yes, undoubtedly, but not because the idea of being outside the EU is necessarily a bad thought.
Shit the bed, will you stop with the man crush on Dave? It was mildly interesting the first time you posted it, but what's this. 3rd? 4th? Accept it, your man is a has been. It's over.
Cameron delivered you the referendum which allowed you to vote to get out of the EU. You should be sucking his dick. Metaphorically.
Yep, Cameron is the arse that gave them what they want. That's why they hate him. They now have to back up their saloon bar bragging with some action. The smell of stale sweat, of fear, of soiled trousers is overwhelming...
I genuinely think that is out of order. For me, the EU was never a big thing. I wasn't a great fan, but even Alistair Meeks doesn't really like the EU that much, he just thinks we're better off in it. I'm not keen on the political aspect of it, but the rest is pretty good. Cameron played Billy Big Bollocks and gave us a choice. Call me naive, but I expected there to be a plan, as Dave was really good at this shit. Allegedly. He wasn't. It's gone wrong. Do I regret my vote? Yes, undoubtedly, but not because the idea of being outside the EU is necessarily a bad thought.
Well said.
When it came to it, Cameron was like a ditzy teenage girl. No idea, no plan, no strategy, no grasp, no nothing. There's nothing inside him. He doesn't do strategy, he doesn't have big ideas. And he has no firm principles except a very vague leftish Toryism: be nice about the queen, taxes might be a bit lower, errr...
That might have been OK in a time of peace and concord. Allied with his breezy, moronic, misplaced Etonian "self-confidence", it was apocalyptic when we arrived at a crisis like Brexit.
Shit the bed, will you stop with the man crush on Dave? It was mildly interesting the first time you posted it, but what's this. 3rd? 4th? Accept it, your man is a has been. It's over.
Cameron delivered you the referendum which allowed you to vote to get out of the EU. You should be sucking his dick. Metaphorically.
Yep, Cameron is the arse that gave them what they want. That's why they hate him. They now have to back up their saloon bar bragging with some action. The smell of stale sweat, of fear, of soiled trousers is overwhelming...
I genuinely think that is out of order. For me, the EU was never a big thing. I wasn't a great fan, but even Alistair Meeks doesn't really like the EU that much, he just thinks we're better off in it. I'm not keen on the political aspect of it, but the rest is pretty good. Cameron played Billy Big Bollocks and gave us a choice. Call me naive, but I expected there to be a plan, as Dave was really good at this shit. Allegedly. He wasn't. It's gone wrong. Do I regret my vote? Yes, undoubtedly, but not because the idea of being outside the EU is necessarily a bad thought.
Apologies, I may have missed something earlier.
My contempt is for the Leavers who ran the campaigns, not the ordinary folk who were taken in by their grandiose promises. Prior to the referendum I was not particularly pro EU. It is what I have seen of the Brexiteers that has made me side with their enemies.
If I were a member of the Labour Party in Canterbury I'd be pretty annoyed if the first Labour MP for the seat ever decided to defect to the LDs within a couple of years of being elected. All speculation of course.
Shit the bed, will you stop with the man crush on Dave? It was mildly interesting the first time you posted it, but what's this. 3rd? 4th? Accept it, your man is a has been. It's over.
Cameron delivered you the referendum which allowed you to vote to get out of the EU. You should be sucking his dick. Metaphorically.
Thing is, I'm a grunt. Infantry. Pleb. Foot soldier. Aren't super clever generals supposed to have a plan? Sheer brilliance honed on the playing fields of Eton that scum like me implement on the Battle field? Dave dripped his get the Tories out of jail plan in my ear, I voted accordingly. I don't run the country, I just live here Anyway, before I went veggie to help my wife stock up on good stuff before she has chemo, I used to love the taste of pork, so Dave's cock would be right up my street.
I have huge sympathy for your wife's condition. But as regards the EU referendum you need to man up and take responsibility.
The big boys made me do it doesn't cut it. I was literally the PBI but I don't bitch and moan that they made me do this or that. I have agency. As do you. Own your decision. No one but Dave was promising you the opportunity to vote to leave the EU. He gave you that and you voted. You should be ecstatic. On that front.
Ah, that tweet from ColinW. Gone from here many moons ago but still fondly remembered. His mum too.
Is that "our* Colin?
Sure is.
Hah! Splendid!
Remind me why we were all obsessed with "Colin's Mum". I have clean forgotten.
Well, someone had to keep him under (semi) control. Not unlike your not self.
I wish I'd had the guts to comment during the SeanT era. I would often find myself convulsed with laughter at the great man's bibulous sallies, to the point of orgasm. I really wish I'd gotten to know him, maybe even become his friend.
Instead I just sat there, in my patterned summer dress, admiring him from afar. Oh well. Too late now.
He was a strikingly modest man, always ready with a cheery admission of defeat whenever I bested him in an argument (a virtually daily occurrence).
Ah, that tweet from ColinW. Gone from here many moons ago but still fondly remembered. His mum too.
Is that "our* Colin?
Sure is.
Hah! Splendid!
Remind me why we were all obsessed with "Colin's Mum". I have clean forgotten.
Well, someone had to keep him under (semi) control. Not unlike your not self.
I wish I'd had the guts to comment during the SeanT era. I would often find myself convulsed with laughter at the great man's bibulous sallies, to the point of orgasm. I really wish I'd gotten to know him, maybe even become his friend.
Instead I just sat there, in my patterned summer dress, admiring him from afar. Oh well. Too late now.
Is it, now?
Is it not conceivable that there will come a day that will see "the return of the Sean" ?
I for one would pay good money to read a frank exchange of views between Byronic and SeanT on a controversial topic, let's say Brexit. I can well imagine such an event to ignite a dynamic, dialectic process that might ultimately lead towards the key to a solution for all the Brexit conundrums.
Shit the bed, will you stop with the man crush on Dave? It was mildly interesting the first time you posted it, but what's this. 3rd? 4th? Accept it, your man is a has been. It's over.
Cameron delivered you the referendum which allowed you to vote to get out of the EU. You should be sucking his dick. Metaphorically.
Yep, Cameron is the arse that gave them what they want. That's why they hate him. They now have to back up their saloon bar bragging with some action. The smell of stale sweat, of fear, of soiled trousers is overwhelming...
I genuinely think that is out of order. For me, the EU was never a big thing. I wasn't a great fan, but even Alistair Meeks doesn't really like the EU that much, he just thinks we're better off in it. I'm not keen on the political aspect of it, but the rest is pretty good. Cameron played Billy Big Bollocks and gave us a choice. Call me naive, but I expected there to be a plan, as Dave was really good at this shit. Allegedly. He wasn't. It's gone wrong. Do I regret my vote? Yes, undoubtedly, but not because the idea of being outside the EU is necessarily a bad thought.
Well said.
When it came to it, Cameron was like a ditzy teenage girl. No idea, no plan, no strategy, no grasp, no nothing. There's nothing inside him. He doesn't do strategy, he doesn't have big ideas. And he has no firm principles except a very vague leftish Toryism: be nice about the queen, taxes might be a bit lower, errr...
That might have been OK in a time of peace and concord. Allied with his breezy, moronic, misplaced Etonian "self-confidence", it was apocalyptic when we arrived at a crisis like Brexit.
Yeah good point what sort of a fucking moron would then vote to leave the EU knowing all that, eh?
Shit the bed, will you stop with the man crush on Dave? It was mildly interesting the first time you posted it, but what's this. 3rd? 4th? Accept it, your man is a has been. It's over.
Cameron delivered you the referendum which allowed you to vote to get out of the EU. You should be sucking his dick. Metaphorically.
Yep, Cameron is the arse that gave them what they want. That's why they hate him. They now have to back up their saloon bar bragging with some action. The smell of stale sweat, of fear, of soiled trousers is overwhelming...
I genuinely think that is out of order. For me, the EU was never a big thing. I wasn't a great fan, but even Alistair Meeks doesn't really like the EU that much, he just thinks we're better off in it. I'm not keen on the political aspect of it, but the rest is pretty good. Cameron played Billy Big Bollocks and gave us a choice. Call me naive, but I expected there to be a plan, as Dave was really good at this shit. Allegedly. He wasn't. It's gone wrong. Do I regret my vote? Yes, undoubtedly, but not because the idea of being outside the EU is necessarily a bad thought.
Well said.
When it came to it, Cameron was like a ditzy teenage girl. No idea, no plan, no strategy, no grasp, no nothing. There's nothing inside him. He doesn't do strategy, he doesn't have big ideas. And he has no firm principles except a very vague leftish Toryism: be nice about the queen, taxes might be a bit lower, errr...
That might have been OK in a time of peace and concord. Allied with his breezy, moronic, misplaced Etonian "self-confidence", it was apocalyptic when we arrived at a crisis like Brexit.
Apart from his historically unprecedented shite decision on calling the fucking insane European referendum, he was tolerable, at least by Tory standards.
He was pro-business and at least tried to run the country in a vaguely sensible way, with the needs of people and companies at heart.
Compared to the odious clown Boris, he’s a statesman.
Ah, that tweet from ColinW. Gone from here many moons ago but still fondly remembered. His mum too.
Is that "our* Colin?
Sure is.
Hah! Splendid!
Remind me why we were all obsessed with "Colin's Mum". I have clean forgotten.
Well, someone had to keep him under (semi) control. Not unlike your not self.
I wish I'd had the guts to comment during the SeanT era. I would often find myself convulsed with laughter at the great man's bibulous sallies, to the point of orgasm. I really wish I'd gotten to know him, maybe even become his friend.
Instead I just sat there, in my patterned summer dress, admiring him from afar. Oh well. Too late now.
Is it, now?
Is it not conceivable that there will come a day that will see "the return of the Sean" ?
I for one would pay good money to read a frank exchange of views between Byronic and SeanT on a controversial topic, let's say Brexit. I can well imagine such an event to ignite a dynamic, dialectic process that might ultimately lead towards the key to a solution for all the Brexit conundrums.
Well, we do know that Byronic is a Remainer, of great wit and sagicity, while SeanT was a tiresome old roue, as floppy as a drunk in a post No Deal viagra famine.
So we may be disappointed by such a fantasy dinner party.
If I were a member of the Labour Party in Canterbury I'd be pretty annoyed if the first Labour MP for the seat ever decided to defect to the LDs within a couple of years of being elected. All speculation of course.
Ah, that tweet from ColinW. Gone from here many moons ago but still fondly remembered. His mum too.
Is that "our* Colin?
Sure is.
Hah! Splendid!
Remind me why we were all obsessed with "Colin's Mum". I have clean forgotten.
Well, someone had to keep him under (semi) control. Not unlike your not self.
I wish I'd had the guts to comment during the SeanT era. I would often find myself convulsed with laughter at the great man's bibulous sallies, to the point of orgasm. I really wish I'd gotten to know him, maybe even become his friend.
Instead I just sat there, in my patterned summer dress, admiring him from afar. Oh well. Too late now.
He was a strikingly modest man, always ready with a cheery admission of defeat whenever I bested him in an argument (a virtually daily occurrence).
Bravo. I cannot imagine besting an intellect like that. I can barely imagine conversing with one, in any way.
Ah, that tweet from ColinW. Gone from here many moons ago but still fondly remembered. His mum too.
Is that "our* Colin?
Sure is.
Hah! Splendid!
Remind me why we were all obsessed with "Colin's Mum". I have clean forgotten.
Well, someone had to keep him under (semi) control. Not unlike your not self.
I wish I'd had the guts to comment during the SeanT era. I would often find myself convulsed with laughter at the great man's bibulous sallies, to the point of orgasm. I really wish I'd gotten to know him, maybe even become his friend.
Instead I just sat there, in my patterned summer dress, admiring him from afar. Oh well. Too late now.
He was a strikingly modest man, always ready with a cheery admission of defeat whenever I bested him in an argument (a virtually daily occurrence).
Yes, he was exceptionally humble, to the point where one wondered whether he was lacking a backbone.
‘Soft’ and ‘wet’ were words many people associated with him. In the end, I think he was happy to concede all his opponents were right, and he was deeply wrong.
Shit the bed, will you stop with the man crush on Dave? It was mildly interesting the first time you posted it, but what's this. 3rd? 4th? Accept it, your man is a has been. It's over.
Cameron delivered you the referendum which allowed you to vote to get out of the EU. You should be sucking his dick. Metaphorically.
Yep, Cameron is the arse that gave them what they want. That's why they hate him. They now have to back up their saloon bar bragging with some action. The smell of stale sweat, of fear, of soiled trousers is overwhelming...
I genuinely think that is out of order. For me, the EU was never a big thing. I wasn't a great fan, but even Alistair Meeks doesn't really like the EU that much, he just thinks we're better off in it. I'm not keen on the political aspect of it, but the rest is pretty good. Cameron played Billy Big Bollocks and gave us a choice. Call me naive, but I expected there to be a plan, as Dave was really good at this shit. Allegedly. He wasn't. It's gone wrong. Do I regret my vote? Yes, undoubtedly, but not because the idea of being outside the EU is necessarily a bad thought.
Well said.
When it came to it, Cameron was like a ditzy teenage girl. No idea, no plan, no strategy, no grasp, no nothing. There's nothing inside him. He doesn't do strategy, he doesn't have big ideas. And he has no firm principles except a very vague leftish Toryism: be nice about the queen, taxes might be a bit lower, errr...
That might have been OK in a time of peace and concord. Allied with his breezy, moronic, misplaced Etonian "self-confidence", it was apocalyptic when we arrived at a crisis like Brexit.
Apart from his historically unprecedented shite decision on calling the fucking insane European referendum, he was tolerable, at least by Tory standards.
He was pro-business and at least tried to run the country in a vaguely sensible way, with the needs of people and companies at heart.
Compared to the odious clown Boris, he’s a statesman.
Give over! You never had a good word to say about him between 2010 and 2016.
Shit the bed, will you stop with the man crush on Dave? It was mildly interesting the first time you posted it, but what's this. 3rd? 4th? Accept it, your man is a has been. It's over.
Cameron delivered you the referendum which allowed you to vote to get out of the EU. You should be sucking his dick. Metaphorically.
Thing is, I'm a grunt. Infantry. Pleb. Foot soldier. Aren't super clever generals supposed to have a plan? Sheer brilliance honed on the playing fields of Eton that scum like me implement on the Battle field? Dave dripped his get the Tories out of jail plan in my ear, I voted accordingly. I don't run the country, I just live here Anyway, before I went veggie to help my wife stock up on good stuff before she has chemo, I used to love the taste of pork, so Dave's cock would be right up my street.
I have huge sympathy for your wife's condition. But as regards the EU referendum you need to man up and take responsibility.
The big boys made me do it doesn't cut it. I was literally the PBI but I don't bitch and moan that they made me do this or that. I have agency. As do you. Own your decision. No one but Dave was promising you the opportunity to vote to leave the EU. He gave you that and you voted. You should be ecstatic. On that front.
I absolutely own my vote. The caveat is that I expect my government to be competent. Neither Dave nor the ones since have been that. I honestly thought there would be a plan for whatever outcome. If I'd known I was only allowed to vote as part of Dave's plan to unite the Tories together, I'd have voted differently. Dave owns all that. I'm guilty of stupendous naivety, but Dave is guilty of far worse.
Ah, that tweet from ColinW. Gone from here many moons ago but still fondly remembered. His mum too.
Is that "our* Colin?
Sure is.
Hah! Splendid!
Remind me why we were all obsessed with "Colin's Mum". I have clean forgotten.
Well, someone had to keep him under (semi) control. Not unlike your not self.
I wish I'd had the guts to comment during the SeanT era. I would often find myself convulsed with laughter at the great man's bibulous sallies, to the point of orgasm. I really wish I'd gotten to know him, maybe even become his friend.
Instead I just sat there, in my patterned summer dress, admiring him from afar. Oh well. Too late now.
He was a strikingly modest man, always ready with a cheery admission of defeat whenever I bested him in an argument (a virtually daily occurrence).
Yes, he was exceptionally humble, to the point where one wondered whether he was lacking a backbone.
‘Soft’ and ‘wet’ were words many people associated with him. In the end, I think he was happy to concede all his opponents were right, and he was deeply wrong.
Poignant.
Though I was a mere lurker, I fondly remember the time he slept with six women in one weekend, and refused to discuss it, until we all badgered him for details.
Likewise when he won that EU prize for his charity work in wartime Syria.
Shit the bed, will you stop with the man crush on Dave? It was mildly interesting the first time you posted it, but what's this. 3rd? 4th? Accept it, your man is a has been. It's over.
Cameron delivered you the referendum which allowed you to vote to get out of the EU. You should be sucking his dick. Metaphorically.
Yep, Cameron is the arse that gave them what they want. That's why they hate him. They now have to back up their saloon bar bragging with some action. The smell of stale sweat, of fear, of soiled trousers is overwhelming...
I genuinely think that is out of order. For me, the EU was never a big thing. I wasn't a great fan, but even Alistair Meeks doesn't really like the EU that much, he just thinks we're better off in it. I'm not keen on the political aspect of it, but the rest is pretty good. Cameron played Billy Big Bollocks and gave us a choice. Call me naive, but I expected there to be a plan, as Dave was really good at this shit. Allegedly. He wasn't. It's gone wrong. Do I regret my vote? Yes, undoubtedly, but not because the idea of being outside the EU is necessarily a bad thought.
Well said.
When it came to it, Cameron was like a ditzy teenage girl. No idea, no plan, no strategy, no grasp, no nothing. There's nothing inside him. He doesn't do strategy, he doesn't have big ideas. And he has no firm principles except a very vague leftish Toryism: be nice about the queen, taxes might be a bit lower, errr...
That might have been OK in a time of peace and concord. Allied with his breezy, moronic, misplaced Etonian "self-confidence", it was apocalyptic when we arrived at a crisis like Brexit.
Someone on here pointed out that he didn't have any ideas beyond the generic ones of the people he mixed with. I thought it was very accurate.
Cameron comes across as another totally out of touch remainer who besides being a bad loser was wholly incompetent in not permitting any planning for a Leave win in the referendum.
Shit the bed, will you stop with the man crush on Dave? It was mildly interesting the first time you posted it, but what's this. 3rd? 4th? Accept it, your man is a has been. It's over.
Cameron delivered you the referendum which allowed you to vote to get out of the EU. You should be sucking his dick. Metaphorically.
Yep, Cameron is the arse that gave them what they want. That's why they hate him. They now have to back up their saloon bar bragging with some action. The smell of stale sweat, of fear, of soiled trousers is overwhelming...
I genuinely think that is out of order. For me, the EU was never a big thing. I wasn't a great fan, but even Alistair Meeks doesn't really like the EU that much, he just thinks we're better off in it. I'm not keen on the political aspect of it, but the rest is pretty good. Cameron played Billy Big Bollocks and gave us a choice. Call me naive, but I expected there to be a plan, as Dave was really good at this shit. Allegedly. He wasn't. It's gone wrong. Do I regret my vote? Yes, undoubtedly, but not because the idea of being outside the EU is necessarily a bad thought.
Well said.
When it came to it, Cameron was like a ditzy teenage girl. No idea, no plan, no strategy, no grasp, no nothing. There's nothing inside him. He doesn't do strategy, he doesn't have big ideas. And he has no firm principles except a very vague leftish Toryism: be nice about the queen, taxes might be a bit lower, errr...
That might have been OK in a time of peace and concord. Allied with his breezy, moronic, misplaced Etonian "self-confidence", it was apocalyptic when we arrived at a crisis like Brexit.
Someone on here pointed out that he didn't have any ideas beyond the generic ones of the people he mixed with. I thought it was very accurate.
Yes, that's sharp.
I happen to know, very well, the people he mixes with. So I can likewise assert that this is true.
Shit the bed, will you stop with the man crush on Dave? It was mildly interesting the first time you posted it, but what's this. 3rd? 4th? Accept it, your man is a has been. It's over.
Cameron delivered you the referendum which allowed you to vote to get out of the EU. You should be sucking his dick. Metaphorically.
Thing is, I'm a grunt. Infantry. Pleb. Foot soldier. Aren't super clever generals supposed to have a plan? Sheer brilliance honed on the playing fields of Eton that scum like me implement on the Battle field? Dave dripped his get the Tories out of jail plan in my ear, I voted accordingly. I don't run the country, I just live here Anyway, before I went veggie to help my wife stock up on good stuff before she has chemo, I used to love the taste of pork, so Dave's cock would be right up my street.
I have huge sympathy for your wife's condition. But as regards the EU referendum you need to man up and take responsibility.
The big boys made me do it doesn't cut it. I was literally the PBI but I don't bitch and moan that they made me do this or that. I have agency. As do you. Own your decision. No one but Dave was promising you the opportunity to vote to leave the EU. He gave you that and you voted. You should be ecstatic. On that front.
I absolutely own my vote. The caveat is that I expect my government to be competent. Neither Dave nor the ones since have been that. I honestly thought there would be a plan for whatever outcome. If I'd known I was only allowed to vote as part of Dave's plan to unite the Tories together, I'd have voted differently. Dave owns all that. I'm guilty of stupendous naivety, but Dave is guilty of far worse.
Dave is not to blame for the delivering the referendum that a significant proportion of the population had been calling for decades. The lack of delivery merely exposes the vacuity of those that had been calling for it. Exposing those charlatans is proving an expensive lesson for the country.
Shit the bed, will you stop with the man crush on Dave? It was mildly interesting the first time you posted it, but what's this. 3rd? 4th? Accept it, your man is a has been. It's over.
Cameron delivered you the referendum which allowed you to vote to get out of the EU. You should be sucking his dick. Metaphorically.
Yep, Cameron is the arse that gave them what they want. That's why they hate him. They now have to back up their saloon bar bragging with some action. The smell of stale sweat, of fear, of soiled trousers is overwhelming...
I genuinely think that is out of order. For me, the EU was never a big thing. I wasn't a great fan, but even Alistair Meeks doesn't really like the EU that much, he just thinks we're better off in it. I'm not keen on the political aspect of it, but the rest is pretty good. Cameron played Billy Big Bollocks and gave us a choice. Call me naive, but I expected there to be a plan, as Dave was really good at this shit. Allegedly. He wasn't. It's gone wrong. Do I regret my vote? Yes, undoubtedly, but not because the idea of being outside the EU is necessarily a bad thought.
Well said.
When it came to it, Cameron was like a ditzy teenage girl. No idea, no plan, no strategy, no grasp, no nothing. There's nothing inside him. He doesn't do strategy, he doesn't have big ideas. And he has no firm principles except a very vague leftish Toryism: be nice about the queen, taxes might be a bit lower, errr...
That might have been OK in a time of peace and concord. Allied with his breezy, moronic, misplaced Etonian "self-confidence", it was apocalyptic when we arrived at a crisis like Brexit.
Apart from his historically unprecedented shite decision on calling the fucking insane European referendum, he was tolerable, at least by Tory standards.
He was pro-business and at least tried to run the country in a vaguely sensible way, with the needs of people and companies at heart.
Compared to the odious clown Boris, he’s a statesman.
Give over! You never had a good word to say about him between 2010 and 2016.
Nor now. I simply say he was tolerable. And a statesman compared to Boris. But that is the lowest of bars.
Shit the bed, will you stop with the man crush on Dave? It was mildly interesting the first time you posted it, but what's this. 3rd? 4th? Accept it, your man is a has been. It's over.
Cameron delivered you the referendum which allowed you to vote to get out of the EU. You should be sucking his dick. Metaphorically.
Yep, Cameron is the arse that gave them what they want. That's why they hate him. They now have to back up their saloon bar bragging with some action. The smell of stale sweat, of fear, of soiled trousers is overwhelming...
I genuinely think that is out of order. For me, the EU was never a big thing. I wasn't a great fan, but even Alistair Meeks doesn't really like the EU that much, he just thinks we're better off in it. I'm not keen on the political aspect of it, but the rest is pretty good. Cameron played Billy Big Bollocks and gave us a choice. Call me naive, but I expected there to be a plan, as Dave was really good at this shit. Allegedly. He wasn't. It's gone wrong. Do I regret my vote? Yes, undoubtedly, but not because the idea of being outside the EU is necessarily a bad thought.
Well said.
When it came to it, Cameron was like a ditzy teenage girl. No idea, no plan, no strategy, no grasp, no nothing. There's nothing inside him. He doesn't do strategy, he doesn't have big ideas. And he has no firm principles except a very vague leftish Toryism: be nice about the queen, taxes might be a bit lower, errr...
That might have been OK in a time of peace and concord. Allied with his breezy, moronic, misplaced Etonian "self-confidence", it was apocalyptic when we arrived at a crisis like Brexit.
Someone on here pointed out that he didn't have any ideas beyond the generic ones of the people he mixed with. I thought it was very accurate.
Utter bollocks, he spent hundreds of hours sleeping on the floors of NHS hospitals. He is not some toff who only hung around other toffs.
He got to know what the average family who relied on the NHS wanted, that's why he put things like the NHS and Education reforms at the centrepiece of his government when he became PM.
Shit the bed, will you stop with the man crush on Dave? It was mildly interesting the first time you posted it, but what's this. 3rd? 4th? Accept it, your man is a has been. It's over.
Cameron delivered you the referendum which allowed you to vote to get out of the EU. You should be sucking his dick. Metaphorically.
Yep, Cameron is the arse that gave them what they want. That's why they hate him. They now have to back up their saloon bar bragging with some action. The smell of stale sweat, of fear, of soiled trousers is overwhelming...
I genuinely think that is out of order. For me, the EU was never a big thing. I wasn't a great fan, but even Alistair Meeks doesn't really like the EU that much, he just thinks we're better off in it. I'm not keen on the political aspect of it, but the rest is pretty good. Cameron played Billy Big Bollocks and gave us a choice. Call me naive, but I expected there to be a plan, as Dave was really good at this shit. Allegedly. He wasn't. It's gone wrong. Do I regret my vote? Yes, undoubtedly, but not because the idea of being outside the EU is necessarily a bad thought.
Well said.
When it came to it, Cameron was like a ditzy teenage girl. No idea, no plan, no strategy, no grasp, no nothing. There's nothing inside him. He doesn't do strategy, he doesn't have big ideas. And he has no firm principles except a very vague leftish Toryism: be nice about the queen, taxes might be a bit lower, errr...
That might have been OK in a time of peace and concord. Allied with his breezy, moronic, misplaced Etonian "self-confidence", it was apocalyptic when we arrived at a crisis like Brexit.
Someone on here pointed out that he didn't have any ideas beyond the generic ones of the people he mixed with. I thought it was very accurate.
Cameron's quotes about Gove and Boris would be terrible news in normal times. Now it just feels like he's late to the party. Gove and Boris "left the truth at home"? Well, duh. So what are you doing about it then, Davey? "I think about this every day. Every single day I think about it."
Great. Thanks for everything, Davey.
Most people will think it's sour grapes from Dave I suspect.
With Gove he seemed to think the fact they were friends meant Gove should have some sort of loyalty to him.
And with Boris its striking that he thought he could buy him off with a seat in the Cabinet.
And all of the whining about how the leave campaign was conducted looks pretty pathetic when you remember Cameron's NO2AV campaign and the 2015 general election.
Shit the bed, will you stop with the man crush on Dave? It was mildly interesting the first time you posted it, but what's this. 3rd? 4th? Accept it, your man is a has been. It's over.
Cameron delivered you the referendum which allowed you to vote to get out of the EU. You should be sucking his dick. Metaphorically.
Thing is, I'm a grunt. Infantry. Pleb. Foot soldier. Aren't super clever generals supposed to have a plan? Sheer brilliance honed on the playing fields of Eton that scum like me implement on the Battle field? Dave dripped his get the Tories out of jail plan in my ear, I voted accordingly. I don't run the country, I just live here Anyway, before I went veggie to help my wife stock up on good stuff before she has chemo, I used to love the taste of pork, so Dave's cock would be right up my street.
I have huge sympathy for your wife's condition. But as regards the EU referendum you need to man up and take responsibility.
The big boys made me do it doesn't cut it. I was literally the PBI but I don't bitch and moan that they made me do this or that. I have agency. As do you. Own your decision. No one but Dave was promising you the opportunity to vote to leave the EU. He gave you that and you voted. You should be ecstatic. On that front.
I absolutely own my vote. The caveat is that I expect my government to be competent. Neither Dave nor the ones since have been that. I honestly thought there would be a plan for whatever outcome. If I'd known I was only allowed to vote as part of Dave's plan to unite the Tories together, I'd have voted differently. Dave owns all that. I'm guilty of stupendous naivety, but Dave is guilty of far worse.
In the scenario analysis of what might happen post vote our current situation must have been close to a central premise.
Cameron comes across as another totally out of touch remainer who besides being a bad loser was wholly incompetent in not permitting any planning for a Leave win in the referendum.
Did he actually forbid any planning for a Leave vote???
If that is true, this man, who ranks with the skunk in my estimation, has just gone to par with a cockroach. Extraordinary. Almost criminally negligent. IF that is true.
Ah, that tweet from ColinW. Gone from here many moons ago but still fondly remembered. His mum too.
Is that "our* Colin?
Sure is.
Hah! Splendid!
Remind me why we were all obsessed with "Colin's Mum". I have clean forgotten.
Well, someone had to keep him under (semi) control. Not unlike your not self.
I wish I'd had the guts to comment during the SeanT era. I would often find myself convulsed with laughter at the great man's bibulous sallies, to the point of orgasm. I really wish I'd gotten to know him, maybe even become his friend.
Instead I just sat there, in my patterned summer dress, admiring him from afar. Oh well. Too late now.
He was a strikingly modest man, always ready with a cheery admission of defeat whenever I bested him in an argument (a virtually daily occurrence).
Yes, he was exceptionally humble, to the point where one wondered whether he was lacking a backbone.
‘Soft’ and ‘wet’ were words many people associated with him. In the end, I think he was happy to concede all his opponents were right, and he was deeply wrong.
Poignant.
Though I was a mere lurker, I fondly remember the time he slept with six women in one weekend, and refused to discuss it, until we all badgered him for details.
Likewise when he won that EU prize for his charity work in wartime Syria.
Cameron comes across as another totally out of touch remainer who besides being a bad loser was wholly incompetent in not permitting any planning for a Leave win in the referendum.
Did he actually forbid any planning for a Leave vote???
If that is true, this man, who ranks with the skunk in my estimation, has just gone to par with a cockroach. Extraordinary. Almost criminally negligent. IF that is true.
Why, with all the insight you have about him, is this a surprise?
Shit the bed, will you stop with the man crush on Dave? It was mildly interesting the first time you posted it, but what's this. 3rd? 4th? Accept it, your man is a has been. It's over.
Cameron delivered you the referendum which allowed you to vote to get out of the EU. You should be sucking his dick. Metaphorically.
Yep, Cameron is the arse that gave them what they want. That's why they hate him. They now have to back up their saloon bar bragging with some action. The smell of stale sweat, of fear, of soiled trousers is overwhelming...
I genuinely think that is out of order. For me, the EU was never a big thing. I wasn't a great fan, but even Alistair Meeks doesn't really like the EU that much, he just thinks we're better off in it. I'm not keen on the political aspect of it, but the rest is pretty good. Cameron played Billy Big Bollocks and gave us a choice. Call me naive, but I expected there to be a plan, as Dave was really good at this shit. Allegedly. He wasn't. It's gone wrong. Do I regret my vote? Yes, undoubtedly, but not because the idea of being outside the EU is necessarily a bad thought.
Well said.
When it came to it, Cameron was like a ditzy teenage girl. No idea, no plan, no strategy, no grasp, no nothing. There's nothing inside him. He doesn't do strategy, he doesn't have big ideas. And he has no firm principles except a very vague leftish Toryism: be nice about the queen, taxes might be a bit lower, errr...
That might have been OK in a time of peace and concord. Allied with his breezy, moronic, misplaced Etonian "self-confidence", it was apocalyptic when we arrived at a crisis like Brexit.
Someone on here pointed out that he didn't have any ideas beyond the generic ones of the people he mixed with. I thought it was very accurate.
Shit the bed, will you stop with the man crush on Dave? It was mildly interesting the first time you posted it, but what's this. 3rd? 4th? Accept it, your man is a has been. It's over.
Cameron delivered you the referendum which allowed you to vote to get out of the EU. You should be sucking his dick. Metaphorically.
Yep, Cameron is the arse that gave them what they want. That's why they hate him. They now have to back up their saloon bar bragging with some action. The smell of stale sweat, of fear, of soiled trousers is overwhelming...
I genuinely think that is out of order. For me, the EU was never a big thing. I wasn't a great fan, but even Alistair Meeks doesn't really like the EU that much, he just thinks we're better off in it. I'm not keen on the political aspect of it, but the rest is pretty good. Cameron played Billy Big Bollocks and gave us a choice. Call me naive, but I expected there to be a plan, as Dave was really good at this shit. Allegedly. He wasn't. It's gone wrong. Do I regret my vote? Yes, undoubtedly, but not because the idea of being outside the EU is necessarily a bad thought.
Well said.
When it came to it, Cameron was like a ditzy teenage girl. No idea, no plan, no strategy, no grasp, no nothing. There's nothing inside him. He doesn't do strategy, he doesn't have big ideas. And he has no firm principles except a very vague leftish Toryism: be nice about the queen, taxes might be a bit lower, errr...
That might have been OK in a time of peace and concord. Allied with his breezy, moronic, misplaced Etonian "self-confidence", it was apocalyptic when we arrived at a crisis like Brexit.
Someone on here pointed out that he didn't have any ideas beyond the generic ones of the people he mixed with. I thought it was very accurate.
Cameron comes across as another totally out of touch remainer who besides being a bad loser was wholly incompetent in not permitting any planning for a Leave win in the referendum.
Did he actually forbid any planning for a Leave vote???
If that is true, this man, who ranks with the skunk in my estimation, has just gone to par with a cockroach. Extraordinary. Almost criminally negligent. IF that is true.
Fake news, he asked the civil service to start making plans, but they couldn't reconcile the contradictory Leave promises.
You know all those contradictions that are buggering up Brexit now.
Someone on here pointed out that he didn't have any ideas beyond the generic ones of the people he mixed with. I thought it was very accurate.
That's an interesting comment, and probably applicable to a lot of political people (including me, maybe). There are detail people around who really burrow into the material and come up with ideas (Frank Field is a classic example, though also a classic example of someone uninterested in the art of persuasion - he feels the results should speak for themselves). On the Labour side, McDonnell is probably the most creative and interested in new ideas (not all of them obviously sound). But most senior figures on both sides do go on a general feeling of what's right and rely on others to do the detailed thinking.
Shit the bed, will you stop with the man crush on Dave? It was mildly interesting the first time you posted it, but what's this. 3rd? 4th? Accept it, your man is a has been. It's over.
Cameron delivered you the referendum which allowed you to vote to get out of the EU. You should be sucking his dick. Metaphorically.
Thing is, Dave's cock would be right up my street.
I have huge sympathy for your wife's condition. But as regards the EU referendum you need to man up and take responsibility.
The big boys made me do it doesn't cut it. I was literally the PBI but I don't bitch and moan that they made me do this or that. I have agency. As do you. Own your decision. No one but Dave was promising you the opportunity to vote to leave the EU. He gave you that and you voted. You should be ecstatic. On that front.
I absolutely own my vote. The caveat is that I expect my government to be competent. Neither Dave nor the ones since have been that. I honestly thought there would be a plan for whatever outcome. If I'd known I was only allowed to vote as part of Dave's plan to unite the Tories together, I'd have voted differently. Dave owns all that. I'm guilty of stupendous naivety, but Dave is guilty of far worse.
In the scenario analysis of what might happen post vote our current situation must have been close to a central premise.
It wasn't just hit and hope I'm sure.
So why did Dave casually allow this referendum, why didn't he allow planning for Leave, why wasn't there a royal commission or citizens' assembly beforehand, why didn't he make both sides lay out plans, why why why why
I'll tell you why. Because he is a silly vain man who believed he'd be "good at being prime minister" just because of his birth and schooling, and therefore felt no need to revise like a proletarian swot, because the essay crisis Etonian would always win through.
Turned out well for Dave "referendum" Cameron, huh.
Cameron comes across as another totally out of touch remainer who besides being a bad loser was wholly incompetent in not permitting any planning for a Leave win in the referendum.
Did he actually forbid any planning for a Leave vote???
If that is true, this man, who ranks with the skunk in my estimation, has just gone to par with a cockroach. Extraordinary. Almost criminally negligent. IF that is true.
I reckon it's so Mr Byronic. After the Sindy Ref I think he was so consumed with his own greatness that it never occurred to him that remain might lose until a couple of days before the referendum. Then, we were subjected to his bonkers speech outside no 10.
Shit the bed, will you stop with the man crush on Dave? It was mildly interesting the first time you posted it, but what's this. 3rd? 4th? Accept it, your man is a has been. It's over.
Cameron delivered you the referendum which allowed you to vote to get out of the EU. You should be sucking his dick. Metaphorically.
Yep, Cameron is the arse that gave them what they want. That's why they hate him. They now have to back up their saloon bar bragging with some action. The smell of stale sweat, of fear, of soiled trousers is overwhelming...
I genuinely think that is out of order. For me, the EU was never a big thing. I wasn't a great fan, but even Alistair Meeks doesn't really like the EU that much, he just thinks we're better off in it. I'm not keen on the political aspect of it, but the rest is pretty good. Cameron played Billy Big Bollocks and gave us a choice. Call me naive, but I expected there to be a plan, as Dave was really good at this shit. Allegedly. He wasn't. It's gone wrong. Do I regret my vote? Yes, undoubtedly, but not because the idea of being outside the EU is necessarily a bad thought.
Well said.
When it came to it, Cameron was like a ditzy teenage girl. No idea, no plan, no strategy, no grasp, no nothing. There's nothing inside him. He doesn't do strategy, he doesn't have big ideas. And he has no firm principles except a very vague leftish Toryism: be nice about the queen, taxes might be a bit lower, errr...
That might have been OK in a time of peace and concord. Allied with his breezy, moronic, misplaced Etonian "self-confidence", it was apocalyptic when we arrived at a crisis like Brexit.
Someone on here pointed out that he didn't have any ideas beyond the generic ones of the people he mixed with. I thought it was very accurate.
Yes, that's sharp.
I happen to know, very well, the people he mixes with. So I can likewise assert that this is true.
I genuinely think that is out of order. For me, the EU was never a big thing. I wasn't a great fan, but even Alistair Meeks doesn't really like the EU that much, he just thinks we're better off in it. I'm not keen on the political aspect of it, but the rest is pretty good. Cameron played Billy Big Bollocks and gave us a choice. Call me naive, but I expected there to be a plan, as Dave was really good at this shit. Allegedly. He wasn't. It's gone wrong. Do I regret my vote? Yes, undoubtedly, but not because the idea of being outside the EU is necessarily a bad thought.
Sympathies and the very best wishes for your wife's treatment.
On this point, I think it bears out the Swiss approach of only putting issues to a vote if a significant part of Parliament has worked out a solid basis for it, so that whoever wins the vote can count on a bloc of MPs who are ready to put forward how to implement it. The EU referendum was chucked at people without any expectation that they'd vote Leave, since when nearly everyone has been going oo-er, what do we do now.
Cameron comes across as another totally out of touch remainer who besides being a bad loser was wholly incompetent in not permitting any planning for a Leave win in the referendum.
Did he actually forbid any planning for a Leave vote???
If that is true, this man, who ranks with the skunk in my estimation, has just gone to par with a cockroach. Extraordinary. Almost criminally negligent. IF that is true.
Fake news, he asked the civil service to start making plans, but they couldn't reconcile the contradictory Leave promises.
You know all those contradictions that are buggering up Brexit now.
I know a civil servant who worked at the time of the referendum. They say when people advised Cameron that Leave looked like winning and they should prepare for it, he just laughed.
Cameron comes across as another totally out of touch remainer who besides being a bad loser was wholly incompetent in not permitting any planning for a Leave win in the referendum.
Did he actually forbid any planning for a Leave vote???
If that is true, this man, who ranks with the skunk in my estimation, has just gone to par with a cockroach. Extraordinary. Almost criminally negligent. IF that is true.
I reckon it's so Mr Byronic. After the Sindy Ref I think he was so consumed with his own greatness that it never occurred to him that remain might lose until a couple of days before the referendum. Then, we were subjected to his bonkers speech outside no 10.
Yes, that's bang on, I believe.
Even worse Cameron somehow forgot that he nearly LOST Sindyref, despite starting 30 points ahead (a memory that might have echoed in a sharper brain, but not his). Recall his tearful speech about the Union, begging Scots to say No, a few days before the vote. Just a shame HE didn't recall it, when contemplating his Brexit plebiscite.
Shit the bed, will you stop with the man crush on Dave? It was mildly interesting the first time you posted it, but what's this. 3rd? 4th? Accept it, your man is a has been. It's over.
Cameron delivered you the referendum which allowed you to vote to get out of the EU. You should be sucking his dick. Metaphorically.
Thing is, I'm a grunt. Infantry. Pleb. Foot soldier. Aren't super clever generals supposed to have a plan? Sheer brilliance honed on the playing fields of Eton that scum like me implement on the Battle field? Dave dripped his get the Tories out of jail plan in my ear, I voted accordingly. I don't run the country, I just live here Anyway, before I went veggie to help my wife stock up on good stuff before she has chemo, I used to love the taste of pork, so Dave's cock would be right up my street.
I ha I absolutely own my vote. The caveat is that I expect my government to be competent. Neither Dave nor the ones since have been that. I honestly thought there would be a plan for whatever outcome. If I'd known I was only allowed to vote as part of Dave's plan to unite the Tories together, I'd have voted differently. Dave owns all that. I'm guilty of stupendous naivety, but Dave is guilty of far worse.
Dave is not to blame for the delivering the referendum that a significant proportion of the population had been calling for decades. The lack of delivery merely exposes the vacuity of those that had been calling for it. Exposing those charlatans is proving an expensive lesson for the country.
That's the key problem, isn't it? I dunno the figures, but I expect that the majority of the population pre 2014ish didn't really give a flying feck about the EU one way or the other. I certainly didn't, aside from thinking that the political side was a bit wank. Dave thought a referendum was the way forward to unite his party and didn't really understand what he was unleashing. I naively thought that government had the answers. I was wrong.
Shit the bed, will you stop with the man crush on Dave? It was mildly interesting the first time you posted it, but what's this. 3rd? 4th? Accept it, your man is a has been. It's over.
Cameron delivered you the referendum which allowed you to vote to get out of the EU. You should be sucking his dick. Metaphorically.
Yep, Cameron is the arse that gave them what they want. That's why they hate him. They now have to back up their saloon bar bragging with some action. The smell of stale sweat, of fear, of soiled trousers is overwhelming...
I genuinely think that is out of order. For me, the EU was never a big thing. I wasn't a great fan, but even Alistair Meeks doesn't really like the EU that much, he just thinks we're better off in it. I'm not keen on the political aspect of it, but the rest is pretty good. Cameron played Billy Big Bollocks and gave us a choice. Call me naive, but I expected there to be a plan, as Dave was really good at this shit. Allegedly. He wasn't. It's gone wrong. Do I regret my vote? Yes, undoubtedly, but not because the idea of being outside the EU is necessarily a bad thought.
Well said.
When it came to it, Cameron was like a ditzy teenage girl. No idea, no plan, no strategy, no grasp, no nothing. There's nothing inside him. He doesn't do strategy, he doesn't have big ideas. And he has no firm principles except a very vague leftish Toryism: be nice about the queen, taxes might be a bit lower, errr...
That might have been OK in a time of peace and concord. Allied with his breezy, moronic, misplaced Etonian "self-confidence", it was apocalyptic when we arrived at a crisis like Brexit.
Someone on here pointed out that he didn't have any ideas beyond the generic ones of the people he mixed with. I thought it was very accurate.
Utter bollocks, he spent hundreds of hours sleeping on the floors of NHS hospitals. He is not some toff who only hung around other toffs.
He got to know what the average family who relied on the NHS wanted, that's why he put things like the NHS and Education reforms at the centrepiece of his government when he became PM.
The FT report on Johnson's push for a deal seems to chime with the mood music, and it's possible that there is actually a coherent political plan:
1. Convince everyone that No Deal is imminent. 2. Allow alarm and despondency to spread. 3. Throw out Remainers ruthlessly. 4. Then propose a deal, and threaten to turn on hard Leavers just as ruthlessly. 5. People thank Johnson brokenly for saving them from the terrors of No Deal. 5. He wins an election.
What I can't work out is what the deal would actually be that doesn't blatantly contradict stated Government policy. But perhaps that's not seen as a problem.
Contradicting policy is not the problem. The problem would be winning a majority on that prospectus when BXP and ERG inclined Tories (as if there is a difference) don't vote for Boris because the deal is a betrayal. Even if the ERG kowtow to Boris after he declares he'll kick them out (a £20 donation from me to PB if any of the ERG Spartans is ever kicked out), that won't stop those who like them backing BXP, and them getting, say, 10%, enough to hurt them bad.
Yes, well, I said I could see it was (maybe) a plan, not necessarily a winning plan when he gets to point 5. From the Labour viewpoint I see certain attractions, for the reasons you say.
Shit the bed, will you stop with the man crush on Dave? It was mildly interesting the first time you posted it, but what's this. 3rd? 4th? Accept it, your man is a has been. It's over.
Cameron delivered you the referendum which allowed you to vote to get out of the EU. You should be sucking his dick. Metaphorically.
Thing is, I'm a grunt. Infantry. Pleb. Foot soldier. Aren't super clever generals supposed to have a plan? Sheer brilliance honed on the playing fields of Eton that scum like me implement on the Battle field? Dave dripped his get the Tories out of jail plan in my ear, I voted accordingly. I don't run the country, I just live here Anyway, before I went veggie to help my wife stock up on good stuff before she has chemo, I used to love the taste of pork, so Dave's cock would be right up my street.
I ha I absolutely own my vote. The caveat is that I expect my government to be competent. Neither Dave nor the ones since have been that. I honestly thought there would be a plan for whatever outcome. If I'd known I was only allowed to vote as part of Dave's plan to unite the Tories together, I'd have voted differently. Dave owns all that. I'm guilty of stupendous naivety, but Dave is guilty of far worse.
Dave is not to blame for the delivering the referendum that a significant proportion of the population had been calling for decades. The lack of delivery merely exposes the vacuity of those that had been calling for it. Exposing those charlatans is proving an expensive lesson for the country.
That's the key problem, isn't it? I dunno the figures, but I expect that the majority of the population pre 2014ish didn't really give a flying feck about the EU one way or the other. I certainly didn't, aside from thinking that the political side was a bit wank. Dave thought a referendum was the way forward to unite his party and didn't really understand what he was unleashing. I naively thought that government had the answers. I was wrong.
Cameron's quotes about Gove and Boris would be terrible news in normal times. Now it just feels like he's late to the party. Gove and Boris "left the truth at home"? Well, duh. So what are you doing about it then, Davey? "I think about this every day. Every single day I think about it."
Great. Thanks for everything, Davey.
Most people will think it's sour grapes from Dave I suspect.
With Gove he seemed to think the fact they were friends meant Gove should have some sort of loyalty to him.
And with Boris its striking that he thought he could buy him off with a seat in the Cabinet.
And all of the whining about how the leave campaign was conducted looks pretty pathetic when you remember Cameron's NO2AV campaign and the 2015 general election.
Cameron is just bitter that he lost.
Perhaps for Cameron, loyalty was a one-way street. Gove should be loyal to him, despite the sacking as EdSec that prompted the "wanker" text that TSE keeps posting. Ironically, Gove had joined Osborne in urging Cameron not to hold the referendum in the first place.
Cameron comes across as another totally out of touch remainer who besides being a bad loser was wholly incompetent in not permitting any planning for a Leave win in the referendum.
Did he actually forbid any planning for a Leave vote???
If that is true, this man, who ranks with the skunk in my estimation, has just gone to par with a cockroach. Extraordinary. Almost criminally negligent. IF that is true.
Fake news, he asked the civil service to start making plans, but they couldn't reconcile the contradictory Leave promises.
You know all those contradictions that are buggering up Brexit now.
I know a civil servant who worked at the time of the referendum. They say when people advised Cameron that Leave looked like winning and they should prepare for it, he just laughed.
Considering the lack of preparation manifest in the last 3 1/2 years post referendum, when we know we are leaving, the few months before the vote are neither here nor there.
I don't blame the Civil Service, I blame the lack of direction from the party of government. Indeed last weekend I was chatting to one of this a responsible for No Deal preparations. As he pointed out, it isn't really possible to prepare for a car crash, other than by bracing for impact.
I'm watching Bercow give the "Sixth Annual Bingham Lecture" on Parliament TV
Yes, shoot me. PLEEEEZ
But before you shoot me, let it be noted that he is very articulate, and has a particularly fine command of the English language. I suddenly realise I am going to miss him, despite his obnoxious vanity. Odd.
Theory: Britain is testing to utter exhaustion the idea that Eton "makes good prime ministers".
Unless Boris can save the day in the most heroic way, we won't have another Etonian as premier til the heat death of the universe.
Oxford might take a bit of a pasting, reputationally, as well.
Can't see that there is "a heroic way" anymore. That cardboard, hand-painted bus left several months ago.
Boris is quite similar to Cameron in that they both seem to want the job because they think/thought they would be good at it, rather than wanting to change things for the better.
Off his head my arse. I, too, am 52. Unless he was smoking high-grade hash oil, there really wasn't any cannabis product capable of that available in this country when he was at Eton.
Bercow is arguing that Brexit has revived our parliamentary democracy, and given new vigour to the Commons, by returning importance.
Unexpected.
Bercows job is to enable MPs to hold the Executive to account. I cannot find fault with his actions given the way Government has conducted itself over the years. Tories don't like him because of the way he obtained the speakership, they individually dislike him or they are so commited to supporting the Tories any enabler of critism becomes a hate figure. I think he is a good speaker, who has initiated changes to the way parliament works for the better.
Bercow is arguing that Brexit has revived our parliamentary democracy, and given new vigour to the Commons, by returning importance.
Unexpected.
Lots of people have been making assumptions about Bercow's politics. The data points we have are loony-right young Tory, lefty wife with a bollocks-to-brexit bumper sticker, bends the Commons rules to help parliament vs the executive. None of this tells you much about what his current views are, it could be anything.
And if he decides to leverage the British Parliament brand and go to America, get on telly and make some money we may not find out much about what he thinks in his next job either.
I'm watching Bercow give the "Sixth Annual Bingham Lecture" on Parliament TV
Yes, shoot me. PLEEEEZ
But before you shoot me, let it be noted that he is very articulate, and has a particularly fine command of the English language. I suddenly realise I am going to miss him, despite his obnoxious vanity. Odd.
Love him or hate him, he's an intriguing figure. Monday clubber. Married left-leaning spouse. Vainglorious, bombastic, sometimes deeply thoughtful. Ego the size of a galaxy. Great turn of phrase. Like Tony Benn, a slap down to any who lazily trot out the line you automatically get more right-wing with age. Would have made a wonderful teacher of an unruly class. And genuinely popular on the back benches. I think he will be remembered longer than many who reached higher office.
Ah, that tweet from ColinW. Gone from here many moons ago but still fondly remembered. His mum too.
Is that "our* Colin?
Sure is.
Hah! Splendid!
Remind me why we were all obsessed with "Colin's Mum". I have clean forgotten.
Well, someone had to keep him under (semi) control. Not unlike your not self.
I wish I'd had the guts to comment during the SeanT era. I would often find myself convulsed with laughter at the great man's bibulous sallies, to the point of orgasm. I really wish I'd gotten to know him, maybe even become his friend.
Instead I just sat there, in my patterned summer dress, admiring him from afar. Oh well. Too late now.
Is it, now?
Is it not conceivable that there will come a day that will see "the return of the Sean" ?
I for one would pay good money to read a frank exchange of views between Byronic and SeanT on a controversial topic, let's say Brexit. I can well imagine such an event to ignite a dynamic, dialectic process that might ultimately lead towards the key to a solution for all the Brexit conundrums.
Theory: Britain is testing to utter exhaustion the idea that Eton "makes good prime ministers".
Unless Boris can save the day in the most heroic way, we won't have another Etonian as premier til the heat death of the universe.
Oxford might take a bit of a pasting, reputationally, as well.
Eton produced Gladstone and Macmillan as well as Eden and Cameron with the jury still out on Boris so am sure we will have another Etonian PM at some point.
After all since 2000 we have had 2 PMs who went to Eton, while Blair went to Fettes, the Scottish Eton.
Looks like Biden beats Trump in the Electoral College leading him in the 3 key must win swing states of Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania at the moment but Trump could beat Warren and Sanders as he leads them in Michigan even though they beat him in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania.
Looks like Biden beats Trump in the Electoral College leading him in the 3 key must win swing states of Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania at the moment but Trump could beat Warren and Sanders as he leads them in Michigan even though they beat him in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania.
IMO Trump can't be ruled out some in states Clinton won last time like Maine, New Hampshire, Nevada.
Cameron was famously chameleon-like as a politician. He shape-shifted from ‘Hug-a-Husky’ Opposition leader to a PM who condemned ‘green crap’. He spent years slagging the EU, then belatedly tried to trumpet its membership. He pledged to match Labour on public spending, then instituted what turned into a decade of austerity.
Yet for all his twists and turns, Cameron was never as politically tone deaf as he sounded today. It’s no wonder that many will feel that bad karma has finally found him. But if he is ever to move on from Brexit, he will need to change his tone and his belief system once more. Right now, that seems that’s a change too far.
I'm watching Bercow give the "Sixth Annual Bingham Lecture" on Parliament TV
Yes, shoot me. PLEEEEZ
But before you shoot me, let it be noted that he is very articulate, and has a particularly fine command of the English language. I suddenly realise I am going to miss him, despite his obnoxious vanity. Odd.
Love him or hate him, he's an intriguing figure. Monday clubber. Married left-leaning spouse. Vainglorious, bombastic, sometimes deeply thoughtful. Ego the size of a galaxy. Great turn of phrase. Like Tony Benn, a slap down to any who lazily trot out the line you automatically get more right-wing with age. Would have made a wonderful teacher of an unruly class. And genuinely popular on the back benches. I think he will be remembered longer than many who reached higher office.
I'm watching Bercow give the "Sixth Annual Bingham Lecture" on Parliament TV
Yes, shoot me. PLEEEEZ
But before you shoot me, let it be noted that he is very articulate, and has a particularly fine command of the English language. I suddenly realise I am going to miss him, despite his obnoxious vanity. Odd.
Love him or hate him, he's an intriguing figure. Monday clubber. Married left-leaning spouse. Vainglorious, bombastic, sometimes deeply thoughtful. Ego the size of a galaxy. Great turn of phrase. Like Tony Benn, a slap down to any who lazily trot out the line you automatically get more right-wing with age. Would have made a wonderful teacher of an unruly class. And genuinely popular on the back benches. I think he will be remembered longer than many who reached higher office.
You forgot “bully”.
Thatcher could be a monster to her peers but was kindness, compassion and politeness itself to her subordinates.
Bercow’s staff won’t miss him, those who haven’t left already....
Shit the bed, will you stop with the man crush on Dave? It was mildly interesting the first time you posted it, but what's this. 3rd? 4th? Accept it, your man is a has been. It's over.
Cameron delivered you the referendum which allowed you to vote to get out of the EU. You should be sucking his dick. Metaphorically.
Yep, Cameron is the arse that gave them what they want. That's why they hate him. They now have to back up their saloon bar bragging with some action. The smell of stale sweat, of fear, of soiled trousers is overwhelming...
I genuinely think that is out of order. For me, the EU was never a big thing. I wasn't a great fan, but even Alistair Meeks doesn't really like the EU that much, he just thinks we're better off in it. I'm not keen on the political aspect of it, but the rest is pretty good. Cameron played Billy Big Bollocks and gave us a choice. Call me naive, but I expected there to be a plan, as Dave was really good at this shit. Allegedly. He wasn't. It's gone wrong. Do I regret my vote? Yes, undoubtedly, but not because the idea of being outside the EU is necessarily a bad thought.
Well said.
When it came to it, Cameron was like a ditzy teenage girl. No idea, no plan, no strategy, no grasp, no nothing. There's nothing inside him. He doesn't do strategy, he doesn't have big ideas. And he has no firm principles except a very vague leftish Toryism: be nice about the queen, taxes might be a bit lower, errr...
That might have been OK in a time of peace and concord. Allied with his breezy, moronic, misplaced Etonian "self-confidence", it was apocalyptic when we arrived at a crisis like Brexit.
Someone on here pointed out that he didn't have any ideas beyond the generic ones of the people he mixed with. I thought it was very accurate.
Utter bollocks, he spent hundreds of hours sleeping on the floors of NHS hospitals. He is not some toff who only hung around other toffs.
He got to know what the average family who relied on the NHS wanted, that's why he put things like the NHS and Education reforms at the centrepiece of his government when he became PM.
He didn't even fucking read Lansley's massive top down reorganisation of the NHS.
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Pissing ourselves with laughter, yes. Shitting ourselves? No. That the person has no connection with Scotland is painfully obvious.
I dont think we were ever “scared” of Labour, even in their glory days when they were nearly 50%. Angry with them. Bewildered. Irritated. Provoked. Yes. But scared? Never.
SLab’s lies and deception were always far too obvious to create fear. They were just a bit too thick. Those people deserve pity.
There are one or two Unionists who I respect, but I’m not scared of any of them.
Do we reflect the national mood?
Hmm....
Oi! are you looking at my polls!
Or something.
For example, Mark Francois is at the shirt off and fists up phase of a pub brawl.
Only on PB.
No 1/4
Yes 9/2
When it came to it, Cameron was like a ditzy teenage girl. No idea, no plan, no strategy, no grasp, no nothing. There's nothing inside him. He doesn't do strategy, he doesn't have big ideas. And he has no firm principles except a very vague leftish Toryism: be nice about the queen, taxes might be a bit lower, errr...
That might have been OK in a time of peace and concord. Allied with his breezy, moronic, misplaced Etonian "self-confidence", it was apocalyptic when we arrived at a crisis like Brexit.
My contempt is for the Leavers who ran the campaigns, not the ordinary folk who were taken in by their grandiose promises. Prior to the referendum I was not particularly pro EU. It is what I have seen of the Brexiteers that has made me side with their enemies.
The big boys made me do it doesn't cut it. I was literally the PBI but I don't bitch and moan that they made me do this or that. I have agency. As do you. Own your decision. No one but Dave was promising you the opportunity to vote to leave the EU. He gave you that and you voted. You should be ecstatic. On that front.
Is it not conceivable that there will come a day that will see "the return of the Sean" ?
I for one would pay good money to read a frank exchange of views between Byronic and SeanT on a controversial topic, let's say Brexit.
I can well imagine such an event to ignite a dynamic, dialectic process that might ultimately lead towards the key to a solution for all the Brexit conundrums.
He was pro-business and at least tried to run the country in a vaguely sensible way, with the needs of people and companies at heart.
Compared to the odious clown Boris, he’s a statesman.
So we may be disappointed by such a fantasy dinner party.
‘Soft’ and ‘wet’ were words many people associated with him. In the end, I think he was happy to concede all his opponents were right, and he was deeply wrong.
Poignant.
Likewise when he won that EU prize for his charity work in wartime Syria.
I happen to know, very well, the people he mixes with. So I can likewise assert that this is true.
He got to know what the average family who relied on the NHS wanted, that's why he put things like the NHS and Education reforms at the centrepiece of his government when he became PM.
With Gove he seemed to think the fact they were friends meant Gove should have some sort of loyalty to him.
And with Boris its striking that he thought he could buy him off with a seat in the Cabinet.
And all of the whining about how the leave campaign was conducted looks pretty pathetic when you remember Cameron's NO2AV campaign and the 2015 general election.
Cameron is just bitter that he lost.
It wasn't just hit and hope I'm sure.
If that is true, this man, who ranks with the skunk in my estimation, has just gone to par with a cockroach. Extraordinary. Almost criminally negligent. IF that is true.
Wasn’t he GQ Man of the Year at some point?
Or was that Sean Bean?
Or Sean Fear?
You know all those contradictions that are buggering up Brexit now.
I'll tell you why. Because he is a silly vain man who believed he'd be "good at being prime minister" just because of his birth and schooling, and therefore felt no need to revise like a proletarian swot, because the essay crisis Etonian would always win through.
Turned out well for Dave "referendum" Cameron, huh.
Unless Boris can save the day in the most heroic way, we won't have another Etonian as premier til the heat death of the universe.
Oxford might take a bit of a pasting, reputationally, as well.
On this point, I think it bears out the Swiss approach of only putting issues to a vote if a significant part of Parliament has worked out a solid basis for it, so that whoever wins the vote can count on a bloc of MPs who are ready to put forward how to implement it. The EU referendum was chucked at people without any expectation that they'd vote Leave, since when nearly everyone has been going oo-er, what do we do now.
Yes, that's bang on, I believe.
Even worse Cameron somehow forgot that he nearly LOST Sindyref, despite starting 30 points ahead (a memory that might have echoed in a sharper brain, but not his). Recall his tearful speech about the Union, begging Scots to say No, a few days before the vote. Just a shame HE didn't recall it, when contemplating his Brexit plebiscite.
Cameron was a total failure.
"I was 'off my head' on dope at Eton College, says David Cameron as he admits smoking cannabis with his wife Samantha"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7462163/I-head-dope-Eton-College-says-David-Cameron.html
Not a patch on the Riot Club then?
Plus, there are no enough police walking the streets.
I don't blame the Civil Service, I blame the lack of direction from the party of government. Indeed last weekend I was chatting to one of this a responsible for No Deal preparations. As he pointed out, it isn't really possible to prepare for a car crash, other than by bracing for impact.
Yes, shoot me. PLEEEEZ
But before you shoot me, let it be noted that he is very articulate, and has a particularly fine command of the English language. I suddenly realise I am going to miss him, despite his obnoxious vanity. Odd.
Unexpected.
And if he decides to leverage the British Parliament brand and go to America, get on telly and make some money we may not find out much about what he thinks in his next job either.
I think he will be remembered longer than many who reached higher office.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/9849498/sharon-osbourne-jeremy-corbyn-who-do-you-think-you-are/
After all since 2000 we have had 2 PMs who went to Eton, while Blair went to Fettes, the Scottish Eton.
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1172647163614023680?s=21
Yet for all his twists and turns, Cameron was never as politically tone deaf as he sounded today. It’s no wonder that many will feel that bad karma has finally found him. But if he is ever to move on from Brexit, he will need to change his tone and his belief system once more. Right now, that seems that’s a change too far.
https://m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/david-cameron-is-not-just-down-hes-in-denial-waugh-zone_uk_5d7bda64e4b077dcbd5d9a5f?0c
Quote Of The Day
“We won’t know unless we waterboard the Corgi.”
– Rory Stewart on LBC on whether the PM lied to the Queen
Thatcher could be a monster to her peers but was kindness, compassion and politeness itself to her subordinates.
Bercow’s staff won’t miss him, those who haven’t left already....
https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/1172746889785225216?s=21
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