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Or to be more accurate Farage knows perfectly well he's not about to storm the commons and win dozens of MPs so his strategy is to push the tory party as far towards full blown OUT of Europe as he can.
What is more his strategy is already having some success. That's before the EU elections. Imagine the rhetoric and possibly policy shifting if the tories have a dire EU elections?
If Cameron then loses the election in 2015 the Europe genie will be well and truly out of the bottle and any future tory leader will not just have to repeat Cammie's referendum pledge but there will be a likely civil war in the tory party over whether the party and any future leadership should campaign explicitly on that with an unambiguous OUT position.
There's also the small matter of Farage and kipper voters simply not trusting Cammie's Cast Iron promise on an EU referendum. Which is hardly surprising considering so many of Cameron's own MPs clearly don't trust him either, so we get ludicrous spectacles like the absurd private members bill posturing last week and this week.
Are kipper voters all motivated primarily by OUT? Nope, but Farage is more than happy to use immigration as a weapon to push the tories ever closer to his preferred policy positions.
Farage and UKIP want out of Europe. The clue is in the name. They simply don't believe Cammie can deliver them that. Which is why they will pile the pressure on the tories so that they can have a referendum a few years after Cammie's proposed one with a tory leadership far more likely to campaign explicitly on OUT.
Why does any of this matter?
Because the kippers are quite clearly the most pressing problem Cammie & Osbrowne have.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:UK_opinion_polling_2010-2015.png
It ain't little Ed that has them panicking it's Farage. Unless Farage implodes in a Kilroy-Silk like manner there's no way he and UKIP are crashing back to to 3% before 2015.
Stupid. They will never get a majority until they are trusted. Cameron knew this so why did he cock it up?
Stafford happened before the 2010 election. I know PB Tories love to snark. But facts are facts.
The British public love the NHS. And any party that doesn't is simply unelectable. If you don't like that fact I suggest you find a different country.
#Specy thnks #ukip infighting is blocking #JamesDelingpole & #jongault as candidates. More like proof of sanity. http://goo.gl/E0ET8w
*chortle*
Sure go private, but then don't complain when you have to put up with Labour majority governments. Cos until the Tories learn to manage the NHS that's the only majority you will see.
Patients now drink fresh water from glasses
Of course. It's astonishing how closely it correlates and mirrors tory party fortunes.
You can also clearly see where little Ed and labour push through which is the omnishambles and then where it falls back and then levels out.
If you trace the lines back not much has seriously changed with labour's level since after calamity Clegg's lib dem crash. Those two correlate pretty closely as well. Lib dems around 10 labour around 40ish but going a bit above and below it as fortunes dictate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:UK_opinion_polling_2010-2015.png
Question how big a rise in the kippers are we going to see pre EU elections? And indeed how big a fall afterwards? I'd say the May local elections were a fairly good guide so it's going to go up and down again with the tory party level going down then up in turn if the trend continues. The kipper vote will likely rise quite a bit more than the May locals but that only means the kippers have that much further to fall for them to be anywhere near the 3% or sub 5% Cameron needs.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/96/UK_opinion_polling_2010-2015.png
I blame Falkirk.
It could be argued that we have third class travel on the railways. The Midland Railway scandalously abolished second class in the 1870s, and other railway companies gradually followed suit. Therefore we had only two classes - first and third. (*)
Why did they abolish second class and not third class (confusingly leaving us with 'first' and 'third' for decades?) Because an early railway act stated they had to have a third class. This rule was abolished after WWII, and 'third' was renamed 'second', and later 'standard'. But the concept is still the same - the cheapest passenger accommodation. There was a very limited exception, but I cannot remember what it was.
So the headline should really be the "return of three-class travel".
RMT's view on this is stupid - it is not as if passengers will be required to travel in open wagons (like some early third class passengers); the safety and other standards should be exactly the same, and these standards are set by a separate body.
However it should be opposed, as it makes an already complex ticketing system even more complex (see recent conversations on here). I'd be interested to know what they mean by such a scheme, and what it would mean for the passengers. I'd need some convincing that it was a worthwhile thing to do.
I think this is a little too Geeky for PB. I'll get my coat ...
(*) A reasonable summary can be found at: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2465925/Return-class-train-travel-Bidders-state-run-East-Coast-line-offer-extra-tier-service-dubbed-Ryanair-rails.html
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/12/speak-up-for-the-english-ed-miliband
"Speak for the English, Ed Miliband
English is now a political identity, as the Portsmouth shipyard closure showed. But only Labour can make it a progressive one"
The place in Scotland.
The non story place.
Oh
You labour spin bots are shameless.
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/39457/Local_authority_housing_statistics_2011_12_v4.pdf
There is a desperate need from people living in overcrowded accommodation to move to larger more suitable accommodation. There is a huge deficit still in this country. Why should taxpayers fund single people to live in social housing that is too big for them when they could easily swap with a family living in overcrowded conditions. What is the justification? And please none of this nonsense about councils moving severely disabled people from their specially adapted home because of this policy, it will never ever happen.
The train I should have been on had a brick thrown through the driver's window, so we all got squeezed into the next train. I ended up in first-class - the only discernible difference I could tell were curtains.
Ed hates all of Britain not just England.
Of course Labour made sure there were enquiries into failings, oh
Nice trolling I guess.
http://www.bmj.com/content/347/bmj.f6464
"the only discernible difference I could tell were curtains."
You missed out on the main difference. You get a seat.
The lib dems just can't shift from their atrocious position except for very tiny variations. I don't expect that to last and it's going to go up some just before the 2015 election. Just how much it may go up depends primarily on whether the lib dems are suicidal enough to keep calamity Clegg as leader.
OT RIP John Rutter, one of the greatest composers of the century
You can whinge all you like but arguing with the general public isn't going to win the Tories an election. Rightly or wrongly these are electoral facts.
The public love the NHS
They trust Labour to run the NHS. They now no longer trust the Tories.
Cameron is going to throw away a huge number of Tory seats on this and make his successors job a lot lot harder. Whenever a Tory opposition leader talks passionately about the NHS, Labour will just say two words. David Cameron.
"Dont be silly.
Ed hates all of Britain not just England."
.....And his Brother who he stabbed in the back and his wife who he only married for political reasons and the English language which he speaks nasally and big business which he wants to destroy and successful energy businesses by starving them of capital.........
Can I be a Tory Candidate or write a blog for the Telegraph?
One word, not two: Staffordshire
That word has no cut through. When will Tories learn.
You do know there was already a report into Stafford don't you...and who initiated it do you think?
Who has a lead on the NHS in the polls ? Maybe the public recognises that their personal experience of the NHS got better under Labour despite localised scandals.
But hey don't let facts get in the way of a rant
The rest is just spin. If privatisation is so bad why did Labour do it, with Balls and Miliband in the cabinet that passed the policies?
A word that really has no cut through.
You mean it's clear that on health policy there's next to no difference between labour and the coalition. Clegg might have been as incompetent as Cammie in not reading Lansley's health reform shambles but the lib dems still voted for it in the end.
Every time you lot mention something about how terrible the Tories are, there is an example of how Labour are twice as bad.
The last thing I would be campaigning on if I was a leftie idiot would be the NHS. What are you going to do, wheel Burnham out to tell everyone how much better it was under him?
Perhaps you could use Wales as an example, after all aren't your lot still running it? How is it performing in Wales, while you are at it why don't you check to see how education is performing in Wales, you're still in charge of that as well.
Like I said you are a complete mug.
And pretend that the coalition has different policies, because it is all pretence.
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Lib Dem MPs join Labour in voting against bedroom tax
Only two, Tim Farron and Andrew George, voted against.
•Democrats 41% (43%) (43%) (43%) (45%) (42%) (40%)
•Republicans 39% (37%) (37%) (36%) (38%) (38%) (37%)
•Hillary Clinton (D) 44%
•Chris Christie (R) 34%
•Some other candidate (vol.) 3%
•Would not vote (vol.) 5%
•Don’t know (vol.) 12%
Among Independents
•Hillary Clinton (D) 39%
•Chris Christie (R) 35%
BEITH, Alan, Rt Hon
BRAKE, Tom
BROWNE, Jeremy, Mr
BRUCE, Malcolm, Rt Hon
BURSTOW, Paul, Mr
BURT, Lorely, Ms
CAMPBELL, Menzies, Rt Hon
CARMICHAEL, Alistair, Mr
DAVEY, Edward, Mr
FOSTER, Don, Mr
GILBERT, Stephen, Mr
HAMES, Duncan, Mr
HARVEY, Nick, Mr
HEATH, David, Mr
HEMMING, John, Mr
HORWOOD, Martin, Mr
HUGHES, Simon, Mr
HUNTER, Mark, Mr
LAMB, Norman, Mr
MOORE, Michael, Mr
MUNT, Tessa, Ms
PUGH, John, Mr
ROGERSON, Dan, Mr
RUSSELL, Bob, Mr
SMITH, Robert, Sir
STUNELL, Andrew, Mr
SWINSON, Jo, Ms
THURSO, John, Mr
WEBB, Steve
WILLIAMS, Stephen, Mr
I do not need to defend any Labour policies on the NHS because the public doesn't want us to. They Trust Labour with an institution that they love. They do not Trust the Tories.
This is all David Cameron's fault. Don't complain at me. Complain at the guy that tried to neutralise the NHS but then turned on his word.
ALEXANDER, Danny, Mr
BIRTWISTLE, Gordon, Mr
BROOKE, Annette, Ms
CABLE, Vince, Mr
CLEGG, Nick
CROCKART, Mike
FEATHERSTONE, Lynne, Ms
HUPPERT, Julian, Mr
KENNEDY, Charles, Rt Hon
LAWS, David, Mr
LEECH, John, Mr
LLOYD, Stephen, Mr
MULHOLLAND, Greg, Mr
REID, Alan, Mr
SANDERS, Adrian, Mr
SWALES, Ian, Mr
TEATHER, Sarah, Ms
THORNTON, Mike, Mr
WARD, David, Mr
WILLIAMS, Mark, Mr
WILLIAMS, Roger, Mr
WRIGHT, Simon, Mr
The public do not think that. The public Trust Labour with the NHS. They don't trust the Tories.
Whether Labour are actually any better doesn't matter one jot.
http://discussion.theguardian.com/comment-permalink/28817886
Labour leads on NHS issues, but it is a lead based on a lie. I know because I see it every day.
You mean it's clear that on health policy there's next to no difference between labour and the coalition. Clegg might have been as incompetent as Cammie in not reading Lansley's health reform shambles but the lib dems still voted for it in the end.
How is education in Wales performing?
Where's Farron?
Interesting that positioning for the leadership should be taking such public form. Farron obviously can't tell which way the wind's blowing. A necessary quality for a Lib Dem wannabe leader
That is an irrelevant question. I am calling things as the public sees them. The public Trusts Labour. They don't trust the Tories.
And the Tories and David Cameron are going to get punished pretty much no what happens this winter. Because "Tories trash the NHS" is easy copy for the press and one that the public understands and buys. This is Cameron's fault.
Labour is building up expectations it cannot, or will not, meet. It is going to be a Hollande like disappointment to voters.
As Johnny Rotton sagely observed:
"Ever felt that you've been cheated?"
But its all about jobs for the SPADs, not about policy. Its just about fooling enough of the people enough of the time.
Amusing to see wee Danny Alexander not voting. That should upset certain scottish tory surgers.
Even more hilarious is seeing future leadership 'tip' Carmicheal voting for the bedroom tax.
I fear that might not go down too well in scotland but it's what Cammie and Clegg want which is why Carmichael is scottish secretary after all. To do exactly what they tell him.
*chuckles*
"He voted with Labour."
Sorry I missed that post. I think we've got the next Lib Dem leader then.
Before or after the election is the only question
I don't want a leader who talks passionately about the NHS. I want someone who ensures that we get the best health care we can for the money we spend on it - how that is done is of no interest to me. I don't want passion; I want competence.
Labour are full of passion but I'm less convinced that they are competent. The Tories think that by being passionate they can overcome a feeling that when they talk about efficiency they really mean who can make money out of our health. Both parties miss the point.
Are you so stupid that you don't think these things will be mentioned in the run up to the election? These are live examples that are happening now, not pre-2010. There is no way that even lying idiots lîke you and Tim can get away with how great the NHS and education are under Labour when there is a live example on our doorstep
No wonder you are a prospective Labour MP, you are deceitful, dishonest and thick to boot.
I could debate you on the policy differences - and I do think there are many - but I can't be bothered. They are irrelevant. Certainly any discussion between me and you is.
I am just trying to help PB Tories understand why they are so so bad at politics. Keep banging on about Falkirk guys. Keep think Stafford will shield you from Cameron's cock up.
1. Julie Pörksen, LD: Berwick-upon-Tweed
2. Karin Smyth, Lab: Bristol South
3. Craig Williams, Con: Cardiff North
4. Chris Philp, Con: Croydon South
5. Vikki Slade, LD: Dorset Mid & Poole North
6. Liz Evans, Lab: Gower
7. Tulip Siddiq, Lab: Hampstead & Kilburn
8. Lisa Smart, LD: Hazel Grove
9. Vicky Foxcroft, Lab: Lewisham Deptford
10.Robert Jenrick, Con/Ind: Newark
11.Rowenna Davis, Lab: Southampton Itchen
12.Tom Tugendhat, Con: Tonbridge & Malling
I really don't think you understand polling. These are facts. If you don't like them. Don't let people like Cameron say they won't reorganise the NHS and then when in power do just that!
I know you don't like it. I know you think it isn't fair. But this is Cameron's fault and he absolutely deserves it.
http://ukgeneralelection2015.blogspot.com/2013/11/bedroom-tax-vote-where-were-all-labour.html?spref=tw
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2501589/My-old-class-mates-town-needs-grammar-school-SIMON-HEFFER.html
If that is what Labour is planning for next time, then any voters hopes are going to be dashed very quickly.
It is the naked cynicism to deliberately pull the wool over voters eyes that bothers me.
The next Labour govt is going to be a major disappointment. Lib Dems should steer clear, so yhey are not involved in a furthrr car crash.
On votes like this, Labour MPs should be showing up en masse to harry the government as much as possible.
"So you agree that the policy differences are negligible and Labours lead is based on perception rather than reality?"
The difference is HUGE.
Labour give a shit and that's a massive difference.
I'm having some very expensive treatment at the moment so I asked the hospital whether it was any use to them that I was in BUPA. I didn't want any different or private treatment just that they as a charitable trust they might be able to use the money. In no uncertain terms they said they don't touch private medicine but I would be welcome to go to the local BUPA hospital if I wanted.
I really like the NHS their employees and Labour's part in it.
The next Labour government is going to be a majority. Something the Tories cannot achieve cos they simply cannot get the "politics" right.
Cameron should never ever have given Lansley that position. He should have stuck Vince there.
LOL
Labour privatised clinical treatments to private companies such as Circle health and Virgin. So spare us the cant.
Too scared to answer my questions as well, not only are you deceitful, dishonest and thick you are also a lily livered coward.
Any wonder people hate politicians when there are scumbags like you standing for parliament?