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  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Er yes. The Falkirk issue is one of interest on here. This is a website for political discussions. If I wanted to discuss getting a cheaper electricity supplier I would go elsewhere.

    Sarajevo was significant because it was the spark that several Empires were waiting for, to resolve their far meatier disputes.

    And Ed Miliband has set up his special conference to discuss the meatier issue of the relationship between the Labour party and the Unions. The guns of August are warming up and now it is a matter of whether one side backs down. I do not think that Ed will.

    Falkirk is a small town far away, but so was Sarajevo.. Being cavilier, or worse, with electoral procedures is a different matter.

    No wonder the politicians are so keen to muzzle the press.

    JohnO said:





    Nick, how many people mentioned Falkirk?

    Zero.

    And there lies the point. Imagine campaigning for whichever party and you ask a voter what issues are they interested in, they would possibly reel off energy prices, price of petrol, cost of living, immigration, Europe, being skint despite being in work, thee NHS, not liking politicians and then they turn around and they say what does your party or do you think is important....err Falkirk.

    Non-Story except in the heads of political anoraks and Westminster bubble roamers. It's lucky they have sites like this to obsess over it with like minded people. It's what sites like this excel in.
    Now Falkirk is as big an issue as Sarajevo.....thanks for proving my point regards hubble, political bubbles and parties toil and trouble.
    e way I am not trying to shut down the debate on Falkirk or not saying it is not important, but it only really interests people on places like here. I revert back what I posted originally. People posting that it is a"non-story" sarcastically on here don't seem to realise, that it actually is....to the vast majority of people.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    edited November 2013

    Falkirk is a small town far away, but so was Sarajevo.. Being cavilier, or worse, with electoral procedures is a different matter.



    JohnO said:





    Nick, how many people mentioned Falkirk?

    Zero.

    And there lies the point. Imagine campaigning for whichever party and you ask a voter what issues are they interested in, they would possibly reel off energy prices, price of petrol, cost of living, immigration, Europe, being skint despite being in work, thee NHS, not liking politicians and then they turn around and they say what does your party or do you think is important....err Falkirk.

    Non-Story except in the heads of political anoraks and Westminster bubble roamers. It's lucky they have sites like this to obsess over it with like minded people. It's what sites like this excel in.
    Now Falkirk is as big an issue as Sarajevo.....thanks for proving my point regards hubble, political bubbles and parties toil and trouble.



    By the way I am not trying to shut down the debate on Falkirk or not saying it is not important, but it only really interests people on places like here. I revert back what I posted originally. People posting that it is a"non-story" sarcastically on here don't seem to realise, that it actually is....to the vast majority of people.
    Out of interest what do you think Milliband is so desperate to hide? Why won't he stand up to Unite? And as for a non-story, a quarter of the electorate are closely following. Very complacent to be so dismissive of so many people.
    it doesn't stop the posters on this site obsessing about it.
    Who are the obsessives?

    Those who post links to stories still appearing in the press?

    Or those who have been claiming for months that "this is not newsworthy"?

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    HYUFD said:

    In case you have not done the quick test, How Northern are you - apparently I am on 12% Northern and belong in Bournemouth
    http://toys.usvsth3m.com/north-o-meter/

    I'd had chips, and wasn't wearing a coat to work the day I did that. It was sending me up near the arctic somewhere on the northometer
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited November 2013
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  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,483
    HYUFD said:

    In case you have not done the quick test, How Northern are you - apparently I am on 12% Northern and belong in Bournemouth
    http://toys.usvsth3m.com/north-o-meter/

    67% northern
    That's somewhere around Doncaster.

    Which is actually farther north than I was born, or anywhere I have permanently lived.

    As my body moved south, my heart moved north.

    I'm not sure where my clothes went. West, probably ...
  • IOSIOS Posts: 1,450
    Ha Neil.

    I think I will pass.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415

    I'm actually spending some time with some trade unionists, and council staff/councillors on Wednesday morning.

    Do I need inoculations and is there a secret handshake?

    Will you mention Falkirk ?
  • IOSIOS Posts: 1,450
    Jesus Carlotta you can find anything in the press. You can find Ralph Miliband ran over my kitten in the press. The point is whether its good attack line.

    Falkirk is not. Only a party that cannot win a general election majority can't see this.
  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536

    Falkirk is a small town far away, but so was Sarajevo.. Being cavilier, or worse, with electoral procedures is a different matter.



    JohnO said:





    Nick, how many people mentioned Falkirk?

    Zero.

    And there lies the point. Imagine campaigning for whichever party and you ask a voter what issues are they interested in, they would possibly reel off energy prices, price of petrol, cost of living, immigration, Europe, being skint despite being in work, thee NHS, not liking politicians and then they turn around and they say what does your party or do you think is important....err Falkirk.

    Non-Story except in the heads of political anoraks and Westminster bubble roamers. It's lucky they have sites like this to obsess over it with like minded people. It's what sites like this excel in.
    Now Falkirk is as big an issue as Sarajevo.....thanks for proving my point regards hubble, political bubbles and parties toil and trouble.



    By the way I am not trying to shut down the debate on Falkirk or not saying it is not important, but it only really interests people on places like here. I revert back what I posted originally. People posting that it is a"non-story" sarcastically on here don't seem to realise, that it actually is....to the vast majority of people.
    Out of interest what do you think Milliband is so desperate to hide? Why won't he stand up to Unite? And as for a non-story, a quarter of the electorate are closely following. Very complacent to be so dismissive of so many people.
    it doesn't stop the posters on this site obsessing about it.
    Who are the obsessives?

    Those who post links to stories still appearing in the press?

    Or those who have been claiming for months that "this is not newsworthy"?

    The difference is that you think it's salient, we don't. Who's right?

  • HYUFD said:

    In case you have not done the quick test, How Northern are you - apparently I am on 12% Northern and belong in Bournemouth
    http://toys.usvsth3m.com/north-o-meter/

    I am a Smoggy as they would say in Newcastle and Sunderland.....never been there though, not even near the place.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Methinks that they protest too much. There is an aura of panic and desperation. The more that I see of it the more I feel that something suspect has been going on.

    Who would have thought that Eric Joyce punching someone in a bar would lead to this?

    There are chickens coming home to roost, or black swans!

    Falkirk is a small town far away, but so was Sarajevo.. Being cavilier, or worse, with electoral procedures is a different matter.



    JohnO said:





    Nick, how many people mentioned Falkirk?

    Zero.

    And there lies the point. Imagine campaigning for whichever party and you ask a voter what issues are they interested in, they would possibly reel off energy prices, price of petrol, cost of living, immigration, Europe, being skint despite being in work, thee NHS, not liking politicians and then they turn around and they say what does your party or do you think is important....err Falkirk.

    Non-Story except in the heads of political anoraks and Westminster bubble roamers. It's lucky they have sites like this to obsess over it with like minded people. It's what sites like this excel in.
    Now Falkirk is as big an issue as Sarajevo.....thanks for proving my point regards hubble, political bubbles and parties toil and troublet o the vast majority of people.
    Out of interest what do you think Milliband is so desperate to hide? Why won't he stand up to Unite? And as for a non-story, a quarter of the electorate are closely following. Very complacent to be so dismissive of so many people.
    it doesn't stop the posters on this site obsessing about it.
    Who are the obsessives?

    Those who post links to stories still appearing in the press?

    Or those who have been claiming for months that "this is not newsworthy"?

  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    Major having another pop on the fp of the Telegraph.





  • A quarter of people who were given a question reminding them of it said they were following it. I haven't got a clue if Miliband is hiding anything or not. However, neither does anyone on here, but it doesn't stop the posters on this site obsessing about it.

    Question for you.....how many people do you know, who are not on here or is not politically orientated has mentioned Falkirk to you?

    Oh absolutely none, I wouldn't pretend otherwise. But there is clearly something Ed doesn't want us to know, and until he tells the truth, he'll get pressed on it. As he rightly should. Does his obfuscation on this issue not worry you at all?

  • IOS said:

    Jesus Carlotta you can find anything in the press. You can find Ralph Miliband ran over my kitten in the press. The point is whether its good attack line.

    Falkirk is not. Only a party that cannot win a general election majority can't see this.

    The Labour Party hasn't won a workable general election majority since 1966 except when it was led by someone who started out as a Christian Democrat and ended up as a NeoCon.

    There are very rarely any magic bullets in politics but just because not everyone is obsessed with a story it doesn't mean that those who do hear it won't be influenced by it, especially if it ties in to a larger narrative, which in this case it does.
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    And Danny's dad:

    'The association has been "facing up to the considerable challenge presented by welfare reform changes", he said. "The first of those to be implemented – the so-called bedroom tax – is particularly unfair in that it penalises both our tenants and ourselves for not being able to magic up a supply of smaller properties."'

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/nov/10/danny-alexander-father-di-bedroom-tax-unfair?CMP=twt_fd
  • Max - "Oh absolutely none, I wouldn't pretend otherwise"....and there lies my point. General public not interested. Anoraks/Westminster bubble treaders, big thing.

    It's what sites like this are for. In reality, to the vast majority of the public it is a non-story.
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    IOS said:

    Are PB Tories now comparing Sarajevo with Falkirk.

    Jesus wept.


    If people who hate Labour want a reason why we keep winning. It's because of the quality of the opposition we face.

    Foxinsoxuk said that Falkirk is a small town far away, but so was Sarajevo.

    First of all, that's one person making a comparison, not "PB Tories". Secondly, he is I believe comparing the reaction of some people to the events that happened, rather than the events themselves. Finally, do you not think that Remembrance Sunday is a pertinent time to bring up the location of the event that sparked off WW1?
  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536

    IOS said:

    Jesus Carlotta you can find anything in the press. You can find Ralph Miliband ran over my kitten in the press. The point is whether its good attack line.

    Falkirk is not. Only a party that cannot win a general election majority can't see this.

    The Labour Party hasn't won a workable general election majority since 1966 except when it was led by someone who started out as a Christian Democrat and ended up as a NeoCon.

    There are very rarely any magic bullets in politics but just because not everyone is obsessed with a story it doesn't mean that those who do hear it won't be influenced by it, especially if it ties in to a larger narrative, which in this case it does.
    And what 'narrative' would this be David?
  • Pulpstar said:

    I'm actually spending some time with some trade unionists, and council staff/councillors on Wednesday morning.

    Do I need inoculations and is there a secret handshake?

    Will you mention Falkirk ?
    Yes, part of my intro will involve me making a joke about I hoped they haven't signed me for Labour Party membership in Scotland.

    Yes, my speech needs a lot of work.
  • How many of the PB'ers have any idea where Falkirk is, let alone have any idea of how the town's history or how it works? Damn few and virtually none of the commentators on this site. Sorry people, I have lived there. I have met a lot of people there, and to honest got drunk many times with my friends there. (Name the railway stations in Falkirk if you think you are clever enough (0nly Sunil possibly without Googling))

    Sorry, people, get real and get a life. The people there, and in Scotland are well aware of the machinations of unions and political parties of many colours and their ilks. Surprising as it may seem to the souf of engerlund Daily Mail readers, the Labour Party, Unions et al were built in the central belt of Scotland. We are also, unbelievable as it may seem, aware of the strengths and weaknesses of the the present SNP administration which is why we still have Salmond as FM. He runs rings round Westminster politicians even though he makes up a lot of policy n the hoof.

    For further information, please check out John Maclean, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Maclean_(Scottish_socialist)

    Or Ramsay Macdonald:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramsay_MacDonald





    Falkirk is a small town far away, but so was Sarajevo.. Being cavilier, or worse, with electoral procedures is a different matter.

    No wonder the politicians are so keen to muzzle the press.

    JohnO said:


    he


    Nick, how many people mentioned Falkirk?

    Zero.


  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536
    IOS said:

    Jesus Carlotta you can find anything in the press. You can find Ralph Miliband ran over my kitten in the press. The point is whether its good attack line.

    .

    No PB Tory would admit to it - although some of the clever Tories on here, David L and TSE for example might - but I think there's truth in what you say.

    Labour try stuff out, and if it doesn't work, they move on. Not every idea works. The trick is to ditch the ones that don't and move on. The Tory attacks often get stuck in a rut.

  • IOS said:

    Jesus Carlotta you can find anything in the press. You can find Ralph Miliband ran over my kitten in the press. The point is whether its good attack line.

    Falkirk is not. Only a party that cannot win a general election majority can't see this.

    You really don't get this do you?

    There is a vote in 10 months on the future of the UK.

    The biggest (by orders of magnitude) pro-Union party in Scotland may be involved in corrupt selection practices.

    So far the London leadership of that party have ignored multiple requests from senior Scottish politicians to investigate it properly - possibly to avoid embarrassing London Union leaders.

    The English telling the Scots what to do always ends well....
  • Max - "Oh absolutely none, I wouldn't pretend otherwise"....and there lies my point. General public not interested. Anoraks/Westminster bubble treaders, big thing.

    It's what sites like this are for. In reality, to the vast majority of the public it is a non-story.

    That being the case, why isn't Ed, who after all aspires to lead our entire country, avoiding giving people the full facts? Surely even as an uncritical supporter of Ed and the Labour Party, you must wonder? What on Earth is he afraid of and hiding? It's an interesting question.
  • NextNext Posts: 826
    edited November 2013
    Edin_Rokz said:

    How many of the PB'ers have any idea where Falkirk is, let alone have any idea of how the town's history or how it works? Damn few and virtually none of the commentators on this site. Sorry people, I have lived there. I have met a lot of people there, and to honest got drunk many times with my friends there. (Name the railway stations in Falkirk if you think you are clever enough (0nly Sunil possibly without Googling))

    Sorry, people, get real and get a life. The people there, and in Scotland are well aware of the machinations of unions and political parties of many colours and their ilks. Surprising as it may seem to the souf of engerlund Daily Mail readers, the Labour Party, Unions et al were built in the central belt of Scotland. We are also, unbelievable as it may seem, aware of the strengths and weaknesses of the the present SNP administration which is why we still have Salmond as FM. He runs rings round Westminster politicians even though he makes up a lot of policy n the hoof.

    For further information, please check out John Maclean, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Maclean_(Scottish_socialist)

    Or Ramsay Macdonald:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramsay_MacDonald


    Where is Falkirk? Here...

    https://maps.google.com/maps?q=falkirk&hl=en&ll=55.999917,-3.782043&spn=0.546,1.674042&sll=56.009515,-3.707199&sspn=0.272932,0.837021&hnear=Falkirk,+United+Kingdom&t=m&z=10
  • For those with film 4, one of the finest moments in cinematic history is about to happen, and it features Sir Sean Connery.
  • Max - "Oh absolutely none, I wouldn't pretend otherwise"....and there lies my point. General public not interested. Anoraks/Westminster bubble treaders, big thing.

    It's what sites like this are for. In reality, to the vast majority of the public it is a non-story.

    OK, you are either doing what all lefties do and ignoring any situation that doesn't suit your narrative, or you are seriously dim, which I very much doubt.

    Let me try to explain it to you in simple terms:

    You say it's a non story, and I don't entirely disagree with you, so deal with it now before it becomes a story.

    Comprende?
  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536

    HYUFD said:

    In case you have not done the quick test, How Northern are you - apparently I am on 12% Northern and belong in Bournemouth
    http://toys.usvsth3m.com/north-o-meter/

    67% northern
    That's somewhere around Doncaster.

    Which is actually farther north than I was born, or anywhere I have permanently lived.

    As my body moved south, my heart moved north.

    I'm not sure where my clothes went. West, probably ...
    I ended up in Oxford, hundreds of miles south of where I was born. The dinner/lunch thing is something you have to drop immediately when you move to London - where dinner is exclusively the evening meal, so the northern terminology is genuinely confusing. (Do most northerners still say it the other way? My sense is the southern usage is becoming prevalent elsewhere)
  • Since I were a lad, in T'Sheffield, I've always known about Falkirk from my history lessons.

    Who here hasn't heard about the Battle of Falkirk?

    When old Longshanks opened a can of Whoop ass on Braveheart* causing him to resign as Guardian of Scotland.

    *Not the proper one, Robert the Bruce, but William Wallace

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Falkirk
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,955
    Josias, Pulpstar computer1, Bobajob - Some interesting results, clearly your hearts do not always match your origins
  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536

    IOS said:

    Jesus Carlotta you can find anything in the press. You can find Ralph Miliband ran over my kitten in the press. The point is whether its good attack line.

    Falkirk is not. Only a party that cannot win a general election majority can't see this.

    You really don't get this do you?

    There is a vote in 10 months on the future of the UK.

    The biggest (by orders of magnitude) pro-Union party in Scotland may be involved in corrupt selection practices.

    So far the London leadership of that party have ignored multiple requests from senior Scottish politicians to investigate it properly - possibly to avoid embarrassing London Union leaders.

    The English telling the Scots what to do always ends well....
    You're making it very hard for us to "get".
    You keep banging on about the Indy ref, and the effect therein.
    Yet you haven't yet forecast what this dreadful thing that is going to happen is.
    Are you predicting that Falkirk will swing the vote to a No? If so, say so.
  • IOSIOS Posts: 1,450
    Carlotta

    If you think Scottish independence is going to be decided on a frigging Labour selection - not the currency - not defense - not a constitutional settlement around the monarchy - but a Labour selection.

    Then you really are a loon of the highest order.
  • Max - "Oh absolutely none, I wouldn't pretend otherwise"....and there lies my point. General public not interested. Anoraks/Westminster bubble treaders, big thing.

    It's what sites like this are for. In reality, to the vast majority of the public it is a non-story.

    OK, you are either doing what all lefties do and ignoring any situation that doesn't suit your narrative, or you are seriously dim, which I very much doubt.

    Let me try to explain it to you in simple terms:

    You say it's a non story, and I don't entirely disagree with you, so deal with it now before it becomes a story.

    Comprende?
    John where do you put this on the 'story-ometer'. I'm going for somewhere between 'Badergate, and 'man cries at funeral'!
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    HYUFD said:

    In case you have not done the quick test, How Northern are you - apparently I am on 12% Northern and belong in Bournemouth
    http://toys.usvsth3m.com/north-o-meter/

    0% Northern ... Jersey :)

  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536
    Bobajob said:

    IOS said:

    Jesus Carlotta you can find anything in the press. You can find Ralph Miliband ran over my kitten in the press. The point is whether its good attack line.

    Falkirk is not. Only a party that cannot win a general election majority can't see this.

    You really don't get this do you?

    There is a vote in 10 months on the future of the UK.

    The biggest (by orders of magnitude) pro-Union party in Scotland may be involved in corrupt selection practices.

    So far the London leadership of that party have ignored multiple requests from senior Scottish politicians to investigate it properly - possibly to avoid embarrassing London Union leaders.

    The English telling the Scots what to do always ends well....
    You're making it very hard for us to "get".
    You keep banging on about the Indy ref, and the effect therein.
    Yet you haven't yet forecast what this dreadful thing that is going to happen is.
    Are you predicting that Falkirk will swing the vote to a Yes? If so, say so.
    Edited.
  • Bobajob said:

    Falkirk is a small town far away, but so was Sarajevo.. Being cavilier, or worse, with electoral procedures is a different matter.



    JohnO said:





    Nick, how many people mentioned Falkirk?

    Zero.

    the heads of political anoraks and Westminster bubble roamers. It's lucky they have sites like this to obsess over it with like minded people. It's what sites like this excel in.
    Now Falkirk is as big an issue as Sarajevo.....thanks for proving my point regards hubble, political bubbles and parties toil and trouble.

    here don't seem to realise, that it actually is....to the vast majority of people.
    Out of interest what do you think Milliband is so desperate to hide? Why won't he stand up to Unite? And as for a non-story, a quarter of the electorate are closely following. Very complacent to be so dismissive of so many people.
    it doesn't stop the posters on this site obsessing about it.
    Who are the obsessives?

    Those who post links to stories still appearing in the press?

    Or those who have been claiming for months that "this is not newsworthy"?

    The difference is that you think it's salient, we don't. Who's right?

    If it wasn't salient why are there still stories in the press? Unless of course you know better than they do what interests their readers?

    So the press and "PBTories" have got this wrong?

    Meanwhile the "man cries at funeral" crew have it right?



  • IOS said:

    Jesus Carlotta you can find anything in the press. You can find Ralph Miliband ran over my kitten in the press. The point is whether its good attack line.

    Falkirk is not. Only a party that cannot win a general election majority can't see this.

    You really don't get this do you?

    There is a vote in 10 months on the future of the UK.

    The biggest (by orders of magnitude) pro-Union party in Scotland may be involved in corrupt selection practices.

    So far the London leadership of that party have ignored multiple requests from senior Scottish politicians to investigate it properly - possibly to avoid embarrassing London Union leaders.

    The English telling the Scots what to do always ends well....
    Are you saying that this is the reason why the former Labour Chancellor of the Exchequer and Scottish frontman for the independent ‘NO’ campaign Alistair darling, has been so outspoken in demanding Ed Miliband open a new inquiry into the Falkirk voting scandal?


    “David Blunkett: Labour 'vote-rigging' report must be published”

    Are the two connected?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/10155975/David-Blunkett-Labour-vote-rigging-report-must-be-published.html

  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,483
    edited November 2013
    Edin_Rokz said:

    How many of the PB'ers have any idea where Falkirk is, let alone have any idea of how the town's history or how it works? Damn few and virtually none of the commentators on this site. Sorry people, I have lived there. I have met a lot of people there, and to honest got drunk many times with my friends there. (Name the railway stations in Falkirk if you think you are clever enough (0nly Sunil possibly without Googling))

    Sorry, people, get real and get a life. The people there, and in Scotland are well aware of the machinations of unions and political parties of many colours and their ilks. Surprising as it may seem to the souf of engerlund Daily Mail readers, the Labour Party, Unions et al were built in the central belt of Scotland. We are also, unbelievable as it may seem, aware of the strengths and weaknesses of the the present SNP administration which is why we still have Salmond as FM. He runs rings round Westminster politicians even though he makes up a lot of policy n the hoof.

    For further information, please check out John Maclean, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Maclean_(Scottish_socialist)

    Or Ramsay Macdonald:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramsay_MacDonald

    Falkirk High and Falkirk Grahamstown. Do you count the reopened Camelon as *in* Falkirk?

    (And no, I did not Google).

    I once spent a pleasant few hours trying to trace the route of the Antonine Wall above Falkirk, the way you do. Not much to see really, and certainly not as impressive as the best of Hadrian's Wall.
  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536
    SeanT said:

    Bobajob - "Human beings are innately racist." A comment designed to get a response - tell that to my four year old who mixes freely and is essentially colour-blind. But you are a dad, so you knew that too.
    Your line about your child reminds me of a letter in one of the papers under the headline "My utter shame" The letter told of a mother who was watching her son draw a picture of his three friends, two of which were Asian. When she pointed out that two of them were not white, her son looked at her and then coloured their faces in brown crayons." Innocents of youth.

    Sadly, that is total shit, as you'd know if you had ever read any science, but, of course, you haven't, you are just dribbling some liberal anecdotes, hoping no one will check.

    Babies are racist.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/04/racist-babies-nine-month-olds-bias-faces_n_1477937.html

    THIS IS WHY I have largely stopped posting on pb. It's pointless and dreary, it's like philosophising with toddlers.

    tim is right, in one way: the pb Tories are fucking idiots. What he forgets to mention is that the pb lefties are EVEN MORE STUPID.
    Sean - that story merely says that babies recognise emotions in faces of their own race more easily. Join the PB Lefties in the remedial class!
  • Max - "Oh absolutely none, I wouldn't pretend otherwise"....and there lies my point. General public not interested. Anoraks/Westminster bubble treaders, big thing.

    It's what sites like this are for. In reality, to the vast majority of the public it is a non-story.

    OK, you are either doing what all lefties do and ignoring any situation that doesn't suit your narrative, or you are seriously dim, which I very much doubt.

    Let me try to explain it to you in simple terms:

    You say it's a non story, and I don't entirely disagree with you, so deal with it now before it becomes a story.

    Comprende?
    John where do you put this on the 'story-ometer'. I'm going for somewhere between 'Badergate, and 'man cries at funeral'!
    Listen, you and others may be insufferably smug about this but I'm telling you if Ed doesn't deal with it now it will come back to bite him in the bollocks.

  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536

    Edin_Rokz said:

    How many of the PB'ers have any idea where Falkirk is, let alone have any idea of how the town's history or how it works? Damn few and virtually none of the commentators on this site. Sorry people, I have lived there. I have met a lot of people there, and to honest got drunk many times with my friends there. (Name the railway stations in Falkirk if you think you are clever enough (0nly Sunil possibly without Googling))

    Sorry, people, get real and get a life. The people there, and in Scotland are well aware of the machinations of unions and political parties of many colours and their ilks. Surprising as it may seem to the souf of engerlund Daily Mail readers, the Labour Party, Unions et al were built in the central belt of Scotland. We are also, unbelievable as it may seem, aware of the strengths and weaknesses of the the present SNP administration which is why we still have Salmond as FM. He runs rings round Westminster politicians even though he makes up a lot of policy n the hoof.

    For further information, please check out John Maclean, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Maclean_(Scottish_socialist)

    Or Ramsay Macdonald:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramsay_MacDonald

    Falkirk High and Falkirk Grahamstown. Do you count the reopened Camelon as *in* Falkirk?

    (And no, I did not Google).

    I once spent a pleasant few hours trying to trace the route of the Antonine Wall above Falkirk, the way you do. Not much to see really, and certainly not as impressive as the best of Hadrian's Wall.
    Can you name the football team(s) in Falkirk?
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Join as a Supporter for only £1 today: http://www.conservatives.com/join pic.twitter.com/OdmFEyvOTT via @Conservatives

    Can the Tories be short of cash?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,955
    GeoffM Well you can't get any more unnorthern than that!
  • Bobajob said:

    Edin_Rokz said:

    How many of the PB'ers have any idea where Falkirk is, let alone have any idea of how the town's history or how it works? Damn few and virtually none of the commentators on this site. Sorry people, I have lived there. I have met a lot of people there, and to honest got drunk many times with my friends there. (Name the railway stations in Falkirk if you think you are clever enough (0nly Sunil possibly without Googling))

    Sorry, people, get real and get a life. The people there, and in Scotland are well aware of the machinations of unions and political parties of many colours and their ilks. Surprising as it may seem to the souf of engerlund Daily Mail readers, the Labour Party, Unions et al were built in the central belt of Scotland. We are also, unbelievable as it may seem, aware of the strengths and weaknesses of the the present SNP administration which is why we still have Salmond as FM. He runs rings round Westminster politicians even though he makes up a lot of policy n the hoof.

    For further information, please check out John Maclean, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Maclean_(Scottish_socialist)

    Or Ramsay Macdonald:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramsay_MacDonald

    Falkirk High and Falkirk Grahamstown. Do you count the reopened Camelon as *in* Falkirk?

    (And no, I did not Google).

    I once spent a pleasant few hours trying to trace the route of the Antonine Wall above Falkirk, the way you do. Not much to see really, and certainly not as impressive as the best of Hadrian's Wall.
    Can you name the football team(s) in Falkirk?
    Falkirk Nil?
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    67% Northern, puts me in Doncaster. Wrong side of the Pennines but no matter.

    How northern do you have to be to be assigned to Falkirk?

    The story will not die until after the special conference on the relationship between unions and party. To be fair on Ed, he is taking it seriously. There is no special conference on energy prices.
  • This test can't be any good. It put me at 12% Northern, which is far too high.
  • I have a solution to many problems.

    Eric Joyce, resign as an MP so we can have a Falkirk by-election.
  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536

    I have a solution to many problems.

    Eric Joyce, resign as an MP so we can have a Falkirk by-election.

    A splendid idea. I can see the thread now: will a Falkirk-inspired independent Scotland have a referendum on the Euro under AV?

  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536

    This test can't be any good. It put me at 12% Northern, which is far too high.

    A worrying turn of events Richard. I also scored 12%, and I am a northerner (by birth).
  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536

    Bobajob said:

    Edin_Rokz said:

    How many of the PB'ers have any idea where Falkirk is, let alone have any idea of how the town's history or how it works? Damn few and virtually none of the commentators on this site. Sorry people, I have lived there. I have met a lot of people there, and to honest got drunk many times with my friends there. (Name the railway stations in Falkirk if you think you are clever enough (0nly Sunil possibly without Googling))

    Sorry, people, get real and get a life. The people there, and in Scotland are well aware of the machinations of unions and political parties of many colours and their ilks. Surprising as it may seem to the souf of engerlund Daily Mail readers, the Labour Party, Unions et al were built in the central belt of Scotland. We are also, unbelievable as it may seem, aware of the strengths and weaknesses of the the present SNP administration which is why we still have Salmond as FM. He runs rings round Westminster politicians even though he makes up a lot of policy n the hoof.

    For further information, please check out John Maclean, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Maclean_(Scottish_socialist)

    Or Ramsay Macdonald:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramsay_MacDonald

    Falkirk High and Falkirk Grahamstown. Do you count the reopened Camelon as *in* Falkirk?

    (And no, I did not Google).

    I once spent a pleasant few hours trying to trace the route of the Antonine Wall above Falkirk, the way you do. Not much to see really, and certainly not as impressive as the best of Hadrian's Wall.
    Can you name the football team(s) in Falkirk?
    Falkirk Nil?
    Falkirk 0-0 East Stirlingshire
  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536
    Apparently Falkirk has been 'voted' Scotland's prettiest town.

    Curiouser and curiouser.
  • Max - "Oh absolutely none, I wouldn't pretend otherwise"....and there lies my point. General public not interested. Anoraks/Westminster bubble treaders, big thing.

    It's what sites like this are for. In reality, to the vast majority of the public it is a non-story.

    OK, you are either doing what all lefties do and ignoring any situation that doesn't suit your narrative, or you are seriously dim, which I very much doubt.

    Let me try to explain it to you in simple terms:

    You say it's a non story, and I don't entirely disagree with you, so deal with it now before it becomes a story.

    Comprende?
    John where do you put this on the 'story-ometer'. I'm going for somewhere between 'Badergate, and 'man cries at funeral'!
    Listen, you and others may be insufferably smug about this but I'm telling you if Ed doesn't deal with it now it will come back to bite him in the bollocks.

    Nigel sorry, I think it is an issue, I was being ironic. I absolutely agree with you,
  • What better way to end a great weekend than with a bottle of turps?
  • Bobajob said:

    Edin_Rokz said:

    How many of the PB'ers have any idea where Falkirk is, let alone have any idea of how the town's history or how it works? Damn few and virtually none of the commentators on this site. Sorry people, I have lived there. I have met a lot of people there, and to honest got drunk many times with my friends there. (Name the railway stations in Falkirk if you think you are clever enough (0nly Sunil possibly without Googling))

    Sorry, people, get real and get a life. The people there, and in Scotland are well aware of the machinations of unions and political parties of many colours and their ilks. Surprising as it may seem to the souf of engerlund Daily Mail readers, the Labour Party, Unions et al were built in the central belt of Scotland. We are also, unbelievable as it may seem, aware of the strengths and weaknesses of the the present SNP administration which is why we still have Salmond as FM. He runs rings round Westminster politicians even though he makes up a lot of policy n the hoof.

    For further information, please check out John Maclean, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Maclean_(Scottish_socialist)

    Or Ramsay Macdonald:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramsay_MacDonald

    Falkirk High and Falkirk Grahamstown. Do you count the reopened Camelon as *in* Falkirk?

    (And no, I did not Google).

    I once spent a pleasant few hours trying to trace the route of the Antonine Wall above Falkirk, the way you do. Not much to see really, and certainly not as impressive as the best of Hadrian's Wall.
    Can you name the football team(s) in Falkirk?
    Falkirk, East Stirlingshire and Stenhousemuir I hope! But can anyone name all the teams in Angus?
  • Max - "Oh absolutely none, I wouldn't pretend otherwise"....and there lies my point. General public not interested. Anoraks/Westminster bubble treaders, big thing.

    It's what sites like this are for. In reality, to the vast majority of the public it is a non-story.

    OK, you are either doing what all lefties do and ignoring any situation that doesn't suit your narrative, or you are seriously dim, which I very much doubt.

    Let me try to explain it to you in simple terms:

    You say it's a non story, and I don't entirely disagree with you, so deal with it now before it becomes a story.

    Comprende?
    John where do you put this on the 'story-ometer'. I'm going for somewhere between 'Badergate, and 'man cries at funeral'!
    Listen, you and others may be insufferably smug about this but I'm telling you if Ed doesn't deal with it now it will come back to bite him in the bollocks.

    Nigel sorry, I think it is an issue, I was being ironic. I absolutely agree with you,
    My mistake, I apologise
  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536
    SeanT said:

    Bobajob said:

    SeanT said:

    Bobajob - "Human beings are innately racist." A

    Sadly, that is total shit, as you'd know if you had ever read any science, but, of course, you haven't, you are just dribbling some liberal anecdotes, hoping no one will check.

    Babies are racist.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/04/racist-babies-nine-month-olds-bias-faces_n_1477937.html

    THIS IS WHY I have largely stopped posting on pb. It's pointless and dreary, it's like philosophising with toddlers.

    tim is right, in one way: the pb Tories are fucking idiots. What he forgets to mention is that the pb lefties are EVEN MORE STUPID.
    Sean - that story merely says that babies recognise emotions in faces of their own race more easily. Join the PB Lefties in the remedial class!
    I'll say this once, and once only. You are a stupid stupid stupid little man.

    I've just been watching the BBC broadcasts from Zambia, showing how male lions will enter a pride and kill all the offspring, to benefit their own. The same behaviour can be seen in all higher mammals: foreign males from foreign tribes will try and take over settled "communities" and kill the extant progeny, or at least thwart them. Chimps, our closest relatives, do exactly the same.

    For this reason most young animals - including and especially homo sapiens - have evolved a very delicate and refined mechanism for detecting "the other" - the foreign male, the non-tribe-member, the alpha rogue who will kill them, or starve them. Check the stats for the likelihood of human stepfathers to kill children as against human fathers to do the same. In fact, stepfathers are 100 times more likely to murder their kids as against bio-parents.

    http://www.ehow.co.uk/info_8700683_cinderella-effect-children.html

    We are animals. We are racist by nature. We fear the foreigners and the interlopers because Nature has taught us thus: skin colour is one of the easiest ways for the very young to, usefully, differentiate the incomer.

    Is all this too complex for you? Too hard to grasp?

    Who cares. Go back to your "semi" in "Acton" and vote "Labour". It's probably the right thing for you to do, in Darwinian terms, though you are too dim to understand why.
    Have you tried bananas? Good source of potassium
  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536

    Bobajob said:

    Edin_Rokz said:

    How many of the PB'ers have any idea where Falkirk is, let alone have any idea of how the town's history or how it works? Damn few and virtually none of the commentators on this site. Sorry people, I have lived there. I have met a lot of people there, and to honest got drunk many times with my friends there. (Name the railway stations in Falkirk if you think you are clever enough (0nly Sunil possibly without Googling))

    Sorry, people, get real and get a life. The people there, and in Scotland are well aware of the machinations of unions and political parties of many colours and their ilks. Surprising as it may seem to the souf of engerlund Daily Mail readers, the Labour Party, Unions et al were built in the central belt of Scotland. We are also, unbelievable as it may seem, aware of the strengths and weaknesses of the the present SNP administration which is why we still have Salmond as FM. He runs rings round Westminster politicians even though he makes up a lot of policy n the hoof.

    For further information, please check out John Maclean, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Maclean_(Scottish_socialist)

    Or Ramsay Macdonald:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramsay_MacDonald

    Falkirk High and Falkirk Grahamstown. Do you count the reopened Camelon as *in* Falkirk?

    (And no, I did not Google).

    I once spent a pleasant few hours trying to trace the route of the Antonine Wall above Falkirk, the way you do. Not much to see really, and certainly not as impressive as the best of Hadrian's Wall.
    Can you name the football team(s) in Falkirk?
    Falkirk, East Stirlingshire and Stenhousemuir I hope! But can anyone name all the teams in Angus?
    Angus Reid?
  • You heard it here first - ABBA to re-form next year for a series of concerts to celebrate the 40th anniversary of the release of Waterloo. Or so I've been semi-reliably informed.
  • You heard it here first - ABBA to re-form next year for a series of concerts to celebrate the 40th anniversary of the release of Waterloo. Or so I've been semi-reliably informed.

    I think I just jizzed myself inside out.
  • Yes, that was probably TMI.
  • You heard it here first - ABBA to re-form next year for a series of concerts to celebrate the 40th anniversary of the release of Waterloo. Or so I've been semi-reliably informed.

    Mamma Mia.

    Actually I heard the same a few weeks ago, I still live in hope The Jam will reform but Weller will never do it.

    Springsteen will be back in the UK next year, the finest live act there has ever been
  • A senior Conservative MP has questioned the legitimacy of Ed Miliband’s leadership of the Labour Party after it emerged that Britain’s biggest union is facing an investigation over alleged electoral irregularities.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10439443/Ed-Milibands-leadership-questioned-over-phantom-union-voters.html
  • OMFG

    Could Abba be about to reform? Singer Agnetha drops hint band may perform concert next year to celebrate 40th anniversary of first hit Waterloo

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2498161/Could-Abba-reform-Singer-Agnetha-drops-hint-band-perform-concert-year-celebrate-40th-anniversary-hit-Waterloo.html
  • @Max - John Robertson?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    edited November 2013
    Labour's former campaign boss accused of breaking party rules in Falkirk
    MP Tom Watson allegedly gave permission to local officials to accept payments in cash from new members.


    http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/labours-former-campaign-boss-accused-2715995
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    SeanT said:

    Bobajob said:

    SeanT said:

    Bobajob - "Human beings are innately racist." A

    Sadly, that is total shit, as you'd know if you had ever read any science, but, of course, you haven't, you are just dribbling some liberal anecdotes, hoping no one will check.

    Babies are racist.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/04/racist-babies-nine-month-olds-bias-faces_n_1477937.html

    THIS IS WHY I have largely stopped posting on pb. It's pointless and dreary, it's like philosophising with toddlers.

    tim is right, in one way: the pb Tories are fucking idiots. What he forgets to mention is that the pb lefties are EVEN MORE STUPID.
    Sean - that story merely says that babies recognise emotions in faces of their own race more easily. Join the PB Lefties in the remedial class!
    I'll say this once, and once only. You are a stupid stupid stupid little man.

    I've just been watching the BBC broadcasts from Zambia, showing how male lions will enter a pride and kill all the offspring, to benefit their own. The same behaviour can be seen in all higher mammals: foreign males from foreign tribes will try and take over settled "communities" and kill the extant progeny, or at least thwart them. Chimps, our closest relatives, do exactly the same.

    For this reason most young animals - including and especially homo sapiens - have evolved a very delicate and refined mechanism for detecting "the other" - the foreign male, the non-tribe-member, the alpha rogue who will kill them, or starve them. Check the stats for the likelihood of human stepfathers to kill children as against human fathers to do the same. In fact, stepfathers are 100 times more likely to murder their kids as against bio-parents.

    http://www.ehow.co.uk/info_8700683_cinderella-effect-children.html

    We are animals. We are racist by nature. We fear the foreigners and the interlopers because Nature has taught us thus: skin colour is one of the easiest ways for the very young to, usefully, differentiate the incomer.

    Is all this too complex for you? Too hard to grasp?

    Who cares. Go back to your "semi" in "Acton" and vote "Labour". It's probably the right thing for you to do, in Darwinian terms, though you are too dim to understand why.
    Are you trying to justify racism ?
  • SeanT said:

    Interesting Sunday Times fact (read on my iPad air): modern Brits are twice as well off as Brits 30 years ago. And five times better off than Brits pre-1939.

    That is to say, average personal wealth has DOUBLED in the UK in my adult life.

    I can believe this. A walk around London today (I was shopping for things to go with my new iPad) just convinced me of the immense wealth sloshing around. London looked incomparably prosperous, and crowded, and buzzing - certainly much richer than it was pre-crash.

    I wouldn't be surprised if London's "GDP" is growing at 5% a year, maybe even 10% per year.

    Cue anotherrichard to lecture me from the impoverished estaminets of West Bromwich.

    What's an 'estaminets' ??

    I would expect you'd see a similar effect elsewhere - certainly that's my personal experience.

    But as I've pointed out more than the odd time, and will do so again for the benefit of the slow learner of Camden Town, WEALTH CONSUMPTION WASN'T AFFECTED BY THE RECESSION. The government has subsidised it by over £100bn each year, retail sales are at a record high, we have a permanised trade deficit etc etc.

    If you want to see the effects of the recession look around industrial estates not town centres.
  • I guess the sub is having fun

    David Cameron failed to face down his party's nationalist demons while in opposition. Now he's paying the price.
  • You heard it here first - ABBA to re-form next year for a series of concerts to celebrate the 40th anniversary of the release of Waterloo. Or so I've been semi-reliably informed.

    Mamma Mia.

    Actually I heard the same a few weeks ago, I still live in hope The Jam will reform but Weller will never do it.

    Springsteen will be back in the UK next year, the finest live act there has ever been

    I must have seen The Jam a dozen times between 1978 and 1982. Fantastic nights. I'd hate them to come back as a trio of overweight, balding/greying 50 year olds. Some things are best left to memory. As you say, though, Paul Weller would never do it. Unlike Bruce and Rick he doesn't need the money!

  • You heard it here first - ABBA to re-form next year for a series of concerts to celebrate the 40th anniversary of the release of Waterloo. Or so I've been semi-reliably informed.

    Mamma Mia.

    Actually I heard the same a few weeks ago, I still live in hope The Jam will reform but Weller will never do it.

    Springsteen will be back in the UK next year, the finest live act there has ever been

    I must have seen The Jam a dozen times between 1978 and 1982. Fantastic nights. I'd hate them to come back as a trio of overweight, balding/greying 50 year olds. Some things are best left to memory. As you say, though, Paul Weller would never do it. Unlike Bruce and Rick he doesn't need the money!

    I saw them twice, great nights and I agree it wouldn't be the same.

    Having said that I first saw Springsteen in 1975 and to this day he still puts on an unbelievable show
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,568

    You heard it here first - ABBA to re-form next year for a series of concerts to celebrate the 40th anniversary of the release of Waterloo. Or so I've been semi-reliably informed.

    Now that's something I might discuss on a doorstep!

    In other news, SeanT cites chimpanzees as role models.

  • Grow up Mike FFS, your obsession with Huhne is pathetic.

    Every point he tries to make has been repudiated by the facts. How many jobs will we lose if we leave, three million? Utter bollocks and I am amazed an intelligent man falls for it every time.

    Perhaps you can dig up an old quote of Huhne's about what will happen to us if we don't join the Euro?
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    Indeed, you have to wonder from a Labour point of view now, if de-selecting Eric Joyce wasn't in fact the smartest political decision when it comes to killing a festering political scandal in the longer run for the party in Falkirk. And considering Eric Joyce's personal behaviour as a Labour MP, that is saying something!

    Methinks that they protest too much. There is an aura of panic and desperation. The more that I see of it the more I feel that something suspect has been going on.

    Who would have thought that Eric Joyce punching someone in a bar would lead to this?

    There are chickens coming home to roost, or black swans!


    Falkirk is a small town far away, but so was Sarajevo.. Being cavilier, or worse, with electoral procedures is a different matter.



    JohnO said:





    Nick, how many people mentioned Falkirk?

    Zero.

    And there lies the point. Imagine campaigning for whichever party and you ask a voter what issues are they interested in, they would possibly reel off energy prices, price of petrol, cost of living, immigration, Europe, being skint despite being in work, thee NHS, not liking politicians and then they turn around and they say what does your party or do you think is important....err Falkirk.

    Non-Story except in the heads of political anoraks and Westminster bubble roamers. It's lucky they have sites like this to obsess over it with like minded people. It's what sites like this excel in.
    Now Falkirk is as big an issue as Sarajevo.....thanks for proving my point regards hubble, political bubbles and parties toil and troublet o the vast majority of people.
    (snip)
  • @Max - John Robertson?

    He was my favourite player as a boy. I used to, briefly, pretend I was him in playground kick abouts. Then I got to the age of 9 and realised I wasn't fit to lick his boots!
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    Bugger, according to the test I'm 100% northern. I'll have to take the coal out of the bath in the morning.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    You heard it here first - ABBA to re-form next year for a series of concerts to celebrate the 40th anniversary of the release of Waterloo. Or so I've been semi-reliably informed.

    Mamma Mia.

    Actually I heard the same a few weeks ago, I still live in hope The Jam will reform but Weller will never do it.

    Springsteen will be back in the UK next year, the finest live act there has ever been

    I must have seen The Jam a dozen times between 1978 and 1982. Fantastic nights. I'd hate them to come back as a trio of overweight, balding/greying 50 year olds. Some things are best left to memory. As you say, though, Paul Weller would never do it. Unlike Bruce and Rick he doesn't need the money!

    Would seem the ultimate betrayal of principles given the ideállistic reasons for splitting up in the first place and the quotes from Weller àt the time

    "almost all those faces, are over 55" #inthegolfclub
  • isam said:

    You heard it here first - ABBA to re-form next year for a series of concerts to celebrate the 40th anniversary of the release of Waterloo. Or so I've been semi-reliably informed.

    Mamma Mia.

    Actually I heard the same a few weeks ago, I still live in hope The Jam will reform but Weller will never do it.

    Springsteen will be back in the UK next year, the finest live act there has ever been

    I must have seen The Jam a dozen times between 1978 and 1982. Fantastic nights. I'd hate them to come back as a trio of overweight, balding/greying 50 year olds. Some things are best left to memory. As you say, though, Paul Weller would never do it. Unlike Bruce and Rick he doesn't need the money!

    Would seem the ultimate betrayal of principles given the ideállistic reasons for splitting up in the first place and the quotes from Weller àt the time

    "almost all those faces, are over 55" #inthegolfclub
    Hope I Die Before I Get Old?
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    OMG! That would be fantastic news if they do go ahead, the demand for tickets would be absolutely phenomenal! I wonder what has changed, Agnetha has been the stumbling block for so long, but maybe her recent musical/media comeback has heralded a new confidence and desire to return to live performing with ABBA?

    BBC News - Swedish songwriter shares secrets to perfect pop
    Youtube - Agnetha Fältskog - Dance Your Pain Away http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBboaz9Jgqo

    You heard it here first - ABBA to re-form next year for a series of concerts to celebrate the 40th anniversary of the release of Waterloo. Or so I've been semi-reliably informed.

  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548

    Grow up Mike FFS, your obsession with Huhne is pathetic.

    Every point he tries to make has been repudiated by the facts. How many jobs will we lose if we leave, three million? Utter bollocks and I am amazed an intelligent man falls for it every time.

    Perhaps you can dig up an old quote of Huhne's about what will happen to us if we don't join the Euro?
    It's official: the euro is a success
    Britain would benefit immensely from joining as soon as possible

    Chris Huhne
    The Guardian, Thursday 6 June 2002 01.51 BST

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/jun/06/euro.politics
  • Grow up Mike FFS, your obsession with Huhne is pathetic.

    Every point he tries to make has been repudiated by the facts. How many jobs will we lose if we leave, three million? Utter bollocks and I am amazed an intelligent man falls for it every time.

    Perhaps you can dig up an old quote of Huhne's about what will happen to us if we don't join the Euro?
    It's official: the euro is a success
    Britain would benefit immensely from joining as soon as possible

    Chris Huhne
    The Guardian, Thursday 6 June 2002 01.51 BST

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/jun/06/euro.politics
    Incredible.

    Everything he has ever said, every strong opinion or statement he ever makes turns out to be completely wrong. He even thought he was a family man and he was wrong again!

    A complete laughing stock yet not only do the Guardian pay him for such ridiculous drivel, what's even more ridiculous is that Mike believes it"
  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    edited November 2013
    @nigel4england

    'Grow up Mike FFS, your obsession with Huhne is pathetic.'

    It's a wind up,nobody takes Huhne seriously,just look at what the idiot wrote in 2002 when he had some credibility.

  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064
    MikeK said:

    Join as a Supporter for only £1 today: http://www.conservatives.com/join pic.twitter.com/OdmFEyvOTT via @Conservatives

    Can the Tories be short of cash?

    Unlikely. This is a continuation of the earlier and successful volunteer scheme they trialled in the north somewhere. They ended up with thousands of unpaid volunteers who ended up actually donating a decent figure of money and helping out with leafleting in the area. I remember reading an article on ConHome earlier in the year about it.

    These kinds of associate memberships are a good idea for them, and while £25 isn't a lot of money it is attractive to people like me who don't want to be in the party but would possibly be interested in going to events and such to network or handing out leaflets for the MP (who has done a good job in recent times).
  • Grow up Mike FFS, your obsession with Huhne is pathetic.

    Every point he tries to make has been repudiated by the facts. How many jobs will we lose if we leave, three million? Utter bollocks and I am amazed an intelligent man falls for it every time.

    Perhaps you can dig up an old quote of Huhne's about what will happen to us if we don't join the Euro?
    It's official: the euro is a success
    Britain would benefit immensely from joining as soon as possible

    Chris Huhne
    The Guardian, Thursday 6 June 2002 01.51 BST

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/jun/06/euro.politics
    From the article:

    " The euro is living up to the highest expectations of the economists who advocated it, and Britain is missing out. "

    Huhne was a liar then.
    Huhne is a liar now.

    Huhne was a liar before he entered government
    Hunhne was a liar while in government
    Huhne was a liar after leaving government

    Huhne is a habitual liar.

    He makes Clegg look honest.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,717
    MaxPB said:

    MikeK said:

    Join as a Supporter for only £1 today: http://www.conservatives.com/join pic.twitter.com/OdmFEyvOTT via @Conservatives

    Can the Tories be short of cash?

    Unlikely. This is a continuation of the earlier and successful volunteer scheme they trialled in the north somewhere. They ended up with thousands of unpaid volunteers who ended up actually donating a decent figure of money and helping out with leafleting in the area. I remember reading an article on ConHome earlier in the year about it.

    These kinds of associate memberships are a good idea for them, and while £25 isn't a lot of money it is attractive to people like me who don't want to be in the party but would possibly be interested in going to events and such to network or handing out leaflets for the MP (who has done a good job in recent times).
    It's pretty clear that political organisatipns are going to have to look at how they manage their affairs, including how they raise money, in a time where mass communication is changing significantly. That's one of the reasons that the current Bill on Lobbying is such a mess. "Organisations:" such as Avaaz or 38 Degrees are clearly political but one cannot describe them as "parties".
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Interesting fact: the iPad Air is only 42% heavier than the iPad Mini with retina display, 469 g vs 331 g.

    http://www.apple.com/uk/ipad/compare/
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,717

    Grow up Mike FFS, your obsession with Huhne is pathetic.

    Every point he tries to make has been repudiated by the facts. How many jobs will we lose if we leave, three million? Utter bollocks and I am amazed an intelligent man falls for it every time.

    Perhaps you can dig up an old quote of Huhne's about what will happen to us if we don't join the Euro?
    It's official: the euro is a success
    Britain would benefit immensely from joining as soon as possible

    Chris Huhne
    The Guardian, Thursday 6 June 2002 01.51 BST

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/jun/06/euro.politics
    From the article:

    " The euro is living up to the highest expectations of the economists who advocated it, and Britain is missing out. "

    Huhne was a liar then.
    Huhne is a liar now.

    Huhne was a liar before he entered government
    Hunhne was a liar while in government
    Huhne was a liar after leaving government

    Huhne is a habitual liar.

    He makes Clegg look honest.
    You're not a fan, then?
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983

    That's one of the reasons that the current Bill on Lobbying is such a mess. "Organisations:" such as Avaaz or 38 Degrees are clearly political but one cannot describe them as "parties".

    It's ok, Lansley is having another "pause and think" about it. What could possibly go wrong?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    "Sir John Major has criticised the "truly shocking" dominance of the upper echelons of power in Britain by the privately educated and affluent middle class, it was reported.

    In remarks that will sting Eton-educated David Cameron, his Tory predecessor in 10 Downing Street is said to have called for more to be done to boost social mobility.

    The Daily Telegraph said the state-educated former prime minister, who left school at 16, spoke out in a speech to members of the South Norfolk constituency party.

    "In every single sphere of British influence, the upper echelons of power in 2013 are held overwhelmingly by the privately educated or the affluent middle class," he is reported to have said. "To me, from my background, I find that truly shocking.""

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/nov/11/john-major-social-mobility-speech
  • OT, can Neil or somebody give us a run-down of the candidates in the Green Primary for their EU Commission President nominee? (Not that the Greens are going to win the actual election.)

    https://www.greenprimary.eu/
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,483
    Bobajob said:

    Edin_Rokz said:

    How many of the PB'ers have any idea where Falkirk is, let alone have any idea of how the town's history or how it works? Damn few and virtually none of the commentators on this site. Sorry people, I have lived there. I have met a lot of people there, and to honest got drunk many times with my friends there. (Name the railway stations in Falkirk if you think you are clever enough (0nly Sunil possibly without Googling))

    Sorry, people, get real and get a life. The people there, and in Scotland are well aware of the machinations of unions and political parties of many colours and their ilks. Surprising as it may seem to the souf of engerlund Daily Mail readers, the Labour Party, Unions et al were built in the central belt of Scotland. We are also, unbelievable as it may seem, aware of the strengths and weaknesses of the the present SNP administration which is why we still have Salmond as FM. He runs rings round Westminster politicians even though he makes up a lot of policy n the hoof.

    For further information, please check out John Maclean, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Maclean_(Scottish_socialist)

    Or Ramsay Macdonald:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramsay_MacDonald

    Falkirk High and Falkirk Grahamstown. Do you count the reopened Camelon as *in* Falkirk?

    (And no, I did not Google).

    I once spent a pleasant few hours trying to trace the route of the Antonine Wall above Falkirk, the way you do. Not much to see really, and certainly not as impressive as the best of Hadrian's Wall.
    Can you name the football team(s) in Falkirk?
    Nope. Than again, I despise football.

    I can only just name the two Cambridge teams (United and City). And then only because I used to work near one, and one may soon be moving to near another place I used to work so has been in the news a lot.
  • Reports of the survival of the eurozone may have been greatly exaggerated
    Last week’s surprise interest rate cut by the European Central Bank (ECB) was largely a response to the looming danger of deflation in the eurozone


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/rogerbootle/10439859/Reports-of-the-survival-of-the-eurozone-may-have-been-greatly-exaggerated.html
  • Edin_Rokz said:

    How many of the PB'ers have any idea where Falkirk is, let alone have any idea of how the town's history or how it works? Damn few and virtually none of the commentators on this site. Sorry people, I have lived there. I have met a lot of people there, and to honest got drunk many times with my friends there. (Name the railway stations in Falkirk if you think you are clever enough (0nly Sunil possibly without Googling))

    Sorry, people, get real and get a life. The people there, and in Scotland are well aware of the machinations of unions and political parties of many colours and their ilks. Surprising as it may seem to the souf of engerlund Daily Mail readers, the Labour Party, Unions et al were built in the central belt of Scotland. We are also, unbelievable as it may seem, aware of the strengths and weaknesses of the the present SNP administration which is why we still have Salmond as FM. He runs rings round Westminster politicians even though he makes up a lot of policy n the hoof.

    For further information, please check out John Maclean, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Maclean_(Scottish_socialist)

    Or Ramsay Macdonald:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramsay_MacDonald

    Falkirk High and Falkirk Grahamstown. Do you count the reopened Camelon as *in* Falkirk?

    (And no, I did not Google).

    I once spent a pleasant few hours trying to trace the route of the Antonine Wall above Falkirk, the way you do. Not much to see really, and certainly not as impressive as the best of Hadrian's Wall.
    The Antonine Wall was only in use for about a fortnight, which might explain why there is bugger all left to see.
  • Edin_Rokz said:

    How many of the PB'ers have any idea where Falkirk is, let alone have any idea of how the town's history or how it works? Damn few and virtually none of the commentators on this site. Sorry people, I have lived there. I have met a lot of people there, and to honest got drunk many times with my friends there. (Name the railway stations in Falkirk if you think you are clever enough (0nly Sunil possibly without Googling))

    Sorry, people, get real and get a life. The people there, and in Scotland are well aware of the machinations of unions and political parties of many colours and their ilks. Surprising as it may seem to the souf of engerlund Daily Mail readers, the Labour Party, Unions et al were built in the central belt of Scotland. We are also, unbelievable as it may seem, aware of the strengths and weaknesses of the the present SNP administration which is why we still have Salmond as FM. He runs rings round Westminster politicians even though he makes up a lot of policy n the hoof.

    For further information, please check out John Maclean, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Maclean_(Scottish_socialist)

    Or Ramsay Macdonald:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramsay_MacDonald

    Falkirk High and Falkirk Grahamstown. Do you count the reopened Camelon as *in* Falkirk?

    (And no, I did not Google).

    I once spent a pleasant few hours trying to trace the route of the Antonine Wall above Falkirk, the way you do. Not much to see really, and certainly not as impressive as the best of Hadrian's Wall.
    The Antonine Wall was only in use for about a fortnight, which might explain why there is bugger all left to see.
    That and it was built of turf rather than stone....
  • Edin_Rokz said:

    How many of the PB'ers have any idea where Falkirk is, let alone have any idea of how the town's history or how it works? Damn few and virtually none of the commentators on this site. Sorry people, I have lived there. I have met a lot of people there, and to honest got drunk many times with my friends there. (Name the railway stations in Falkirk if you think you are clever enough (0nly Sunil possibly without Googling))

    Sorry, people, get real and get a life. The people there, and in Scotland are well aware of the machinations of unions and political parties of many colours and their ilks. Surprising as it may seem to the souf of engerlund Daily Mail readers, the Labour Party, Unions et al were built in the central belt of Scotland. We are also, unbelievable as it may seem, aware of the strengths and weaknesses of the the present SNP administration which is why we still have Salmond as FM. He runs rings round Westminster politicians even though he makes up a lot of policy n the hoof.

    For further information, please check out John Maclean, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Maclean_(Scottish_socialist)

    Or Ramsay Macdonald:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramsay_MacDonald

    Falkirk High and Falkirk Grahamstown. Do you count the reopened Camelon as *in* Falkirk?

    (And no, I did not Google).

    I once spent a pleasant few hours trying to trace the route of the Antonine Wall above Falkirk, the way you do. Not much to see really, and certainly not as impressive as the best of Hadrian's Wall.
    The Antonine Wall was only in use for about a fortnight, which might explain why there is bugger all left to see.
    That and it was built of turf rather than stone....
    Romans just copied Offa's Dyke. No original ideas...
  • Edin_Rokz said:

    How many of the PB'ers have any idea where Falkirk is, let alone have any idea of how the town's history or how it works? Damn few and virtually none of the commentators on this site. Sorry people, I have lived there. I have met a lot of people there, and to honest got drunk many times with my friends there. (Name the railway stations in Falkirk if you think you are clever enough (0nly Sunil possibly without Googling))

    Sorry, people, get real and get a life. The people there, and in Scotland are well aware of the machinations of unions and political parties of many colours and their ilks. Surprising as it may seem to the souf of engerlund Daily Mail readers, the Labour Party, Unions et al were built in the central belt of Scotland. We are also, unbelievable as it may seem, aware of the strengths and weaknesses of the the present SNP administration which is why we still have Salmond as FM. He runs rings round Westminster politicians even though he makes up a lot of policy n the hoof.

    For further information, please check out John Maclean, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Maclean_(Scottish_socialist)

    Or Ramsay Macdonald:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramsay_MacDonald

    Falkirk High and Falkirk Grahamstown. Do you count the reopened Camelon as *in* Falkirk?

    (And no, I did not Google).

    I once spent a pleasant few hours trying to trace the route of the Antonine Wall above Falkirk, the way you do. Not much to see really, and certainly not as impressive as the best of Hadrian's Wall.
    The Antonine Wall was only in use for about a fortnight, which might explain why there is bugger all left to see.
    That and it was built of turf rather than stone....
    Romans just copied Offa's Dyke. No original ideas...
    Give the Romans some credit for copying something built 600 years later!
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,483



    Falkirk High and Falkirk Grahamstown. Do you count the reopened Camelon as *in* Falkirk?

    (And no, I did not Google).

    I once spent a pleasant few hours trying to trace the route of the Antonine Wall above Falkirk, the way you do. Not much to see really, and certainly not as impressive as the best of Hadrian's Wall.

    The Antonine Wall was only in use for about a fortnight, which might explain why there is bugger all left to see.
    That and it was built of turf rather than stone....
    Romans just copied Offa's Dyke. No original ideas...
    I assume that's a joke. ;-)

    There are loads of these dykes around (no jokes, please). One of my favourites is Devil's Dyke, which runs from north of Cambridge to Newmarket, and cuts across Newmarket racecourse. In places it is still quite a height from the bottom of the ditch to the top of the bank. It possibly extends all the way to the Cam as a channel across the (then marshy) Fens, which may have become Reach Lode. It's a pleasant walk.

    Then there is the Fleam Dyke, the Wans Dyke, the various Grims Ditches and many more.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil's_Dyke,_Cambridgeshire


  • I assume that's a joke. ;-)

    There are loads of these dykes around (no jokes, please). One of my favourites is Devil's Dyke, which runs from north of Cambridge to Newmarket, and cuts across Newmarket racecourse. In places it is still quite a height from the bottom of the ditch to the top of the bank. It possibly extends all the way to the Cam as a channel across the (then marshy) Fens, which may have become Reach Lode. It's a pleasant walk.

    Then there is the Fleam Dyke, the Wans Dyke, the various Grims Ditches and many more.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil's_Dyke,_Cambridgeshire

    just testing JJ, and always out for an opportunity to big up Mercia!

    Not a dyke, but we used to have a burnt mound at the bottom of the garden.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,027
    The most interesting piece I read over the weekend is this: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/10439497/Can-British-business-double-exports-by-2020.html

    It is the government's "ambition" (presumably somewhere between a target and an aspiration) to double exports by 2020.

    This government has done quite a lot to help with this and unlike Brown clearly and correctly recognises that our balance of trade is important. But have they done enough?

    I would say not. This ambition (or even getting close to it frankly) is probably more significant for the wealth of our children than any other single policy, even deficit reduction. It really should be the driver of our entire economic policy.

    That would mean not ducking questions about airport expansion, focussing available infrastructure spending on work relevant to helping our export industries, focussing our tertiary education spend on necessary skills, abolishing APT, prioritisng spending assisting companies into new markets, emphasising the importance of education as an export industry by facilitating students coming to genuine establishments, accelerating fracking as an import substitute etc etc.

    There may not be many votes in this in the short term, in fact many of these decisions are not voter friendly, but it really is important. In December George has an election to win but he must not lose sight of the prize he highlighted 18 months ago.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,483
    DavidL said:

    The most interesting piece I read over the weekend is this: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/10439497/Can-British-business-double-exports-by-2020.html

    It is the government's "ambition" (presumably somewhere between a target and an aspiration) to double exports by 2020.

    This government has done quite a lot to help with this and unlike Brown clearly and correctly recognises that our balance of trade is important. But have they done enough?

    I would say not. This ambition (or even getting close to it frankly) is probably more significant for the wealth of our children than any other single policy, even deficit reduction. It really should be the driver of our entire economic policy.

    That would mean not ducking questions about airport expansion, focussing available infrastructure spending on work relevant to helping our export industries, focussing our tertiary education spend on necessary skills, abolishing APT, prioritisng spending assisting companies into new markets, emphasising the importance of education as an export industry by facilitating students coming to genuine establishments, accelerating fracking as an import substitute etc etc.

    There may not be many votes in this in the short term, in fact many of these decisions are not voter friendly, but it really is important. In December George has an election to win but he must not lose sight of the prize he highlighted 18 months ago.

    I pretty much agree with all of that. If the increase in exports can be in goods as well as services, all the better.
  • Grow up Mike FFS, your obsession with Huhne is pathetic.

    Every point he tries to make has been repudiated by the facts. How many jobs will we lose if we leave, three million? Utter bollocks and I am amazed an intelligent man falls for it every time.

    Perhaps you can dig up an old quote of Huhne's about what will happen to us if we don't join the Euro?
    It's official: the euro is a success
    Britain would benefit immensely from joining as soon as possible

    Chris Huhne
    The Guardian, Thursday 6 June 2002 01.51 BST

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/jun/06/euro.politics
    From the article:

    " The euro is living up to the highest expectations of the economists who advocated it, and Britain is missing out. "

    Huhne was a liar then.
    Huhne is a liar now.

    Huhne was a liar before he entered government
    Hunhne was a liar while in government
    Huhne was a liar after leaving government

    Huhne is a habitual liar.

    He makes Clegg look honest.
    You're not a fan, then?
    Actually I was impressed by Huhne in the LibDem leadership contest - it was clear that he had more substance and energy to him that Clegg had.

    Huhne did have abilities but the rotterness of his personality infected everything he did.
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