I suspect the Tory faithful will love that, so it's a pretty smart move from Hunt. If he wins it won't ever happen of course.
I'm not sure it will be that popular - even with Tory members. Most of them are urban. And they can see a stinker of a policy when it trundles into view.
It smacks of total desperation. Hunt is losing BADLY.
I suspect the Tory faithful will love that, so it's a pretty smart move from Hunt. If he wins it won't ever happen of course.
I'm not sure it will be that popular - even with Tory members. Most of them are urban. And they can see a stinker of a policy when it trundles into view.
It smacks of total desperation. Hunt is losing BADLY.
It’s also in The Telegraph so it’s probably untrue and aiming to damage him relative to Johnson.
I suspect the Tory faithful will love that, so it's a pretty smart move from Hunt. If he wins it won't ever happen of course.
I'm not sure it will be that popular - even with Tory members. Most of them are urban. And they can see a stinker of a policy when it trundles into view.
It smacks of total desperation. Hunt is losing BADLY.
It’s also in The Telegraph so it’s probably untrue and aiming to damage him relative to Johnson.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Biden won't even make it to the Iowa caucuses.
He's only gotten this far because: (a) he did really well with Black Democrats who remember him as Obama's VP, and (b) because people think he's going to win.
Kamala Harris is taking the Black vote and the aura is beginning to evaporate. Plus, Biden does not look like he's enjoying the campaign very much. Oh yeah, and he doesn't have a very good ground operation.
I foresee only half a dozen candidates making it to Iowa: Sanders, Harris, Warren, Buttigieg, and perhaps two others (O'Rourke being the most likely tier three candidate to make it - and I'd tip him as the VP pick, assuming either Warren or Harris is the nominee).
My money is on Sanders withdrawing after losing Iowa and New Hampshire.
Like Donald Trump if this carries on - God help us.
Why can't the Democrats move on from these has-beens and rally around someone who can beat the orangutan?
Maybe they should send for George Clooney, he like Trump has name recognition and Clooney cannot be any worse than Trump. There are other prominent Democrat celebrities that could run like Oprah Winfrey who with the right team around them could oust Trump I am sure. They need a figurehead to rally around, surely the Democrats can find one? Failing that Bloomberg would be a good independent candidate as he has business and public administration experience and very deep pockets!
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Biden won't even make it to the Iowa caucuses.
He's only gotten this far because: (a) he did really well with Black Democrats who remember him as Obama's VP, and (b) because people think he's going to win.
Kamala Harris is taking the Black vote and the aura is beginning to evaporate. Plus, Biden does not look like he's enjoying the campaign very much. Oh yeah, and he doesn't have a very good ground operation.
I foresee only half a dozen candidates making it to Iowa: Sanders, Harris, Warren, Buttigieg, and perhaps two others (O'Rourke being the most likely tier three candidate to make it - and I'd tip him as the VP pick, assuming either Warren or Harris is the nominee).
My money is on Sanders withdrawing after losing Iowa and New Hampshire.
But I guess we'll see...
Harris v Buttigieg would be an interesting match up.
Put yourself in John McDonnell's mind tonight. He is a convinced hard lefty. He is smart, and cunning. He is willing to do anything - lie, betray, lie, murder red squirrels - to get a hard left government in the UK.
He thought Corbyn was the vehicle, but it is now clear Corbyn is an obstacle, and Labour needs a friendly Remainy face (a face which is secretly hard left as well).
Does he make a move? How does he do it? The prize is slipping away.....
Put yourself in John McDonnell's mind tonight. He is a convinced hard lefty. He is smart, and cunning. He is willing to do anything - lie, betray, lie, murder red squirrels - to get a hard left government in the UK.
He thought Corbyn was the vehicle, but it is now clear Corbyn is an obstacle, and Labour needs a friendly Remainy face (a face which is secretly hard left as well).
Does he make a move? How does he do it? The prize is slipping away.....
Corbyn's Leaverism is utterly DESTROYING Labour. They might never recover.
Course they will. Though no matter how leavey his instincts I am astonished he has not just been unequivocal for referendum and remain already. Yeah yeah, all that stuff about his consistency and leave support, but he already bent on that by voting remain (or saying he did - in the absence of proof I see no reason to disbelieve him).
That said, it is pretty hilarious to see the British public stir into life once the extension kicked in, and finally notice 'Oh hey, did you know there is a centrish-lefty party that is backing us staying in the EU wholeheartedly? I never realised it, let's back them'.
Put yourself in John McDonnell's mind tonight. He is a convinced hard lefty. He is smart, and cunning. He is willing to do anything - lie, betray, lie, murder red squirrels - to get a hard left government in the UK.
He thought Corbyn was the vehicle, but it is now clear Corbyn is an obstacle, and Labour needs a friendly Remainy face (a face which is secretly hard left as well).
Does he make a move? How does he do it? The prize is slipping away.....
Put yourself in John McDonnell's mind tonight. He is a convinced hard lefty. He is smart, and cunning. He is willing to do anything - lie, betray, lie, murder red squirrels - to get a hard left government in the UK.
He thought Corbyn was the vehicle, but it is now clear Corbyn is an obstacle, and Labour needs a friendly Remainy face (a face which is secretly hard left as well).
Does he make a move? How does he do it? The prize is slipping away.....
My understanding (From a Radio 4 documentary) is that Corbyn and McDonnell are very good friends. Doesn't mean McDonnell wouldn't throw him under the bus of course, but I would guess that Corbyn would throw his weight to Remain (even if he's really a leaver at heart) if he thinks it would help him to win the next election.
Put yourself in John McDonnell's mind tonight. He is a convinced hard lefty. He is smart, and cunning. He is willing to do anything - lie, betray, lie, murder red squirrels - to get a hard left government in the UK.
He thought Corbyn was the vehicle, but it is now clear Corbyn is an obstacle, and Labour needs a friendly Remainy face (a face which is secretly hard left as well).
Does he make a move? How does he do it? The prize is slipping away.....
Put yourself in John McDonnell's mind tonight. He is a convinced hard lefty. He is smart, and cunning. He is willing to do anything - lie, betray, lie, murder red squirrels - to get a hard left government in the UK.
He thought Corbyn was the vehicle, but it is now clear Corbyn is an obstacle, and Labour needs a friendly Remainy face (a face which is secretly hard left as well).
Does he make a move? How does he do it? The prize is slipping away.....
My understanding (From a Radio 4 documentary) is that Corbyn and McDonnell are very good friends. Doesn't mean McDonnell wouldn't throw him under the bus of course, but I would guess that Corbyn would throw his weight to Remain (even if he's really a leaver at heart) if he thinks it would help him to win the next election.
They've been inching their way agonisingly slowly. The question for me is, when they finally, finally, get there, will enough Labour support return despite annoyance it took him that long, fearing a Con/BXP (as if there is a difference anymore) win if they do not? Last time despite Corbyn's poor starting ratings a good campaign and fear of a Tory majority saw them return to the fold in massive numbers. Have Labour really gone too far, such that people will risk a Tory government again?
Corbyn's Leaverism is utterly DESTROYING Labour. They might never recover.
Course they will. Though no matter how leavey his instincts I am astonished he has not just been unequivocal for referendum and remain already. Yeah yeah, all that stuff about his consistency and leave support, but he already bent on that by voting remain (or saying he did - in the absence of proof I see no reason to disbelieve him).
That said, it is pretty hilarious to see the British public stir into life once the extension kicked in, and finally notice 'Oh hey, did you know there is a centrish-lefty party that is backing us staying in the EU wholeheartedly? I never realised it, let's back them'.
I have no idea where your certainty comes from. Everyone said the same about Scottish Labour - that they would recover: Why would they not? They'd been dominant in Scotland for EVER - the SNP was an aberration, the Tories were the doomed party...
And here we are. The Indyref changed everything. The SNP are now the dominant Scottish centre-left party, and the Tories have seized the role of centre-right Unionism. There is no room for Labour, and there is no obvious return path to power, for them.
Why should England/Wales be different to Scotland, following another game-changing referendum?
It is clear one party will seize the mantle of centre-left Remainerism, and oppose the Brexiteers; it is far from clear why this should obviously be Labour.
That insider care to be a big boy or girl and go on the record about that? Or despite their complaints are they in effect acknowledging the members would still back Corbyn and they will continue to campaign for him and his policies?
Corbyn's Leaverism is utterly DESTROYING Labour. They might never recover.
Course they will. Though no matter how leavey his instincts I am astonished he has not just been unequivocal for referendum and remain already. Yeah yeah, all that stuff about his consistency and leave support, but he already bent on that by voting remain (or saying he did - in the absence of proof I see no reason to disbelieve him).
That said, it is pretty hilarious to see the British public stir into life once the extension kicked in, and finally notice 'Oh hey, did you know there is a centrish-lefty party that is backing us staying in the EU wholeheartedly? I never realised it, let's back them'.
I have no idea where your certainty comes from. Everyone said the same about Scottish Labour - that they would recover: Why would they not? They'd been dominant in Scotland for EVER - the SNP was an aberration, the Tories were the doomed party...
And here we are. The Indyref changed everything. The SNP are now the dominant Scottish centre-left party, and the Tories have seized the role of centre-right Unionism. There is no room for Labour, and there is no obvious return path to power, for them.
Why should England/Wales be different to Scotland, following another game-changing referendum?
It is clear one party will seize the mantle of centre-left Remainerism, and oppose the Brexiteers; it is far from clear why this should obviously be Labour.
I'm not actually as certain as I sound. I think both Labour and, even more, the Tories are closer than they have been in a long long time to fundamental realignments breaking them.
But I struggle to see who is replacing Labour in many places in England. Are the LDs really about to make a breakthrough in all those hardcore Labour inner cities? When you consider how so many of its MPs and others are acting as though they are already the remain party, and ire is being increasingly focused on the person of Corbyn, I retain skepticism that many will not flock back to Labour if it replaces him with someone with the 'correct' view on the EU, particularly when they would have to look very hard in the mirror and say they are prepared to risk yet another Tory win (or BXP/Tory win again, there's no difference between them on the Brexit issue anymore).
BXP / CON with 100+ majority for, one imagines, a very limited program.
Such a result would surely also be a killer blow for FPTP. But I somehow think that at hese numbers all guesses are mug's games.
I think what Electoral Calculus does go to show, varying wildly between different polls just a few percent apart, is that an election fought on a backdrop of current numbers would be wildly unpredictable, as we are close to so many pivot points.
I still think it likeliest that LDs score in the 50ish MP range, and Brexit in the couple of dozen, and that Labour wlli benefit from FPTP more than the Tories at these levels, but that could just be a natural instinct to go against predicting the extremer outcomes. Who knows?
It’s almost as if not carrying out a referendum result would be consequence free.. I remember the scoffing on here about old people and their Zimmer frames, going on strike by not using their free bus passes...
That’s a dynasty that would even make Labour blush.
The republicans don't contest the seat he represents in some elections! Mind you he is in public life and so is obviously willing to take the risk of potential threats to his life so he might be a good candidate in 2024 and beyond for higher status office like Senator or Governor. He has ruled out going for any other elected office at the moment but surely he will have a crack in the future. I think he would need something where he has executive experience rather than just a representative track record.
I suspect the Tory faithful will love that, so it's a pretty smart move from Hunt. If he wins it won't ever happen of course.
You think? The world has moved on. And while I don’t think fox hunting should be against the law, I don’t see how rescinding the legislation will be seen as anything but a monumental FU to city dwellers and the young.
Catastrophe for Labour, being squeezed by both the Brexit Party in Leave areas and the LDs in Remain areas and polling almost 10% worse under Corbyn than even Michael Foot got in 1983
I suspect the Tory faithful will love that, so it's a pretty smart move from Hunt. If he wins it won't ever happen of course.
You think? The world has moved on. And while I don’t think fox hunting should be against the law, I don’t see how rescinding the legislation will be seen as anything but a monumental FU to city dwellers and the young.
Can he not just promise them a free vote on it or will that not buy off the country squires anymore?
He really has got the papers sewn up. They either love him, or they loathe him, and were never going to love him.
Clunk the seatbelt, we're all going for a ride.
I think the spirit of these times would demand that we ride at full speed, after cutting the seatbelt to pieces.
I agree, I'm well ready for the Boris J roller-coaster. We are now so fucked there is no unfucking it, so we might as well go fucking ballistic, and let the world fuck itself, or not, whatever the fuck, who fucking cares anymore. As Shakespeare so aptly put it.
Like Donald Trump if this carries on - God help us.
Why can't the Democrats move on from these has-beens and rally around someone who can beat the orangutan?
There must be a living Kennedy who’s more than good teeth and haircut. There are enough of them.
There isn't. Regression to the mean. For the same reason, there are no Bachs composing fabulous music.
The Thatchers managed it in a single generation.
Most families manage it in a single generation. That's genetics, geniuses are rare, most talents are not heritable.
It depends if their talents come from strong cultural capital in the family. Not unusual for children to follow in the professions of their parents. A pair of doctors aren’t going to be giving birth to a future checkout assistant at Asda.
BXP / CON with 100+ majority for, one imagines, a very limited program.
Such a result would surely also be a killer blow for FPTP. But I somehow think that at hese numbers all guesses are mug's games.
I think what Electoral Calculus does go to show, varying wildly between different polls just a few percent apart, is that an election fought on a backdrop of current numbers would be wildly unpredictable, as we are close to so many pivot points.
I still think it likeliest that LDs score in the 50ish MP range, and Brexit in the couple of dozen, and that Labour wlli benefit from FPTP more than the Tories at these levels, but that could just be a natural instinct to go against predicting the extremer outcomes. Who knows?
In a normal era, a poll like this would end the LOTO's career tomorrow.
When are Labour members and union activists going to wake up? Jezza is leading you to total defeat.
Aren't YouGov typically showing lower Lab ratings than the others?
Yes. Labour hold the lead in the most recent polls from Opinium, Survation, ComRes, BMG and DeltaPoll with mighty scores of 26, 26, 27, 27 and 26 respectively - though the last of these is from May. So a bit old.
Still. To equal their May 2009 nadir is quite some achievement.
He really has got the papers sewn up. They either love him, or they loathe him, and were never going to love him.
Clunk the seatbelt, we're all going for a ride.
He can't keep his hands of that magic money tree can he?
How on earth are the Tories going to use the old Labour tax bombshell playbook after this campaign? I wouldn't be surprised if Boris has actually spent more than McDonnell.
He really has got the papers sewn up. They either love him, or they loathe him, and were never going to love him.
Clunk the seatbelt, we're all going for a ride.
I think the spirit of these times would demand that we ride at full speed, after cutting the seatbelt to pieces.
I agree, I'm well ready for the Boris J roller-coaster. We are now so fucked there is no unfucking it, so we might as well go fucking ballistic, and let the world fuck itself, or not, whatever the fuck, who fucking cares anymore. As Shakespeare so aptly put it.
Fire up the Quattro, Bojo.
One thing you can say for Bojo, at least most of the world will know who our PM is which is more than can be said for Theresa
On these figures, the Lib Dems should go into an electoral pact with the Greens. They would clean up.
The BP and Cons would clean up even more in a pact, but it's win/lose for them. The Conservatives have too many MPs to lose and the agendas are different enough that it would probably destroy their party.
BXP / CON with 100+ majority for, one imagines, a very limited program.
Such a result would surely also be a killer blow for FPTP. But I somehow think that at hese numbers all guesses are mug's games.
I think what Electoral Calculus does go to show, varying wildly between different polls just a few percent apart, is that an election fought on a backdrop of current numbers would be wildly unpredictable, as we are close to so many pivot points.
I still think it likeliest that LDs score in the 50ish MP range, and Brexit in the couple of dozen, and that Labour wlli benefit from FPTP more than the Tories at these levels, but that could just be a natural instinct to go against predicting the extremer outcomes. Who knows?
In a normal era, a poll like this would end the LOTO's career tomorrow.
When are Labour members and union activists going to wake up? Jezza is leading you to total defeat.
Because they think they will make up 20 points in a GE campaign like last time. That’s what they are clinging onto.
Just enjoying watching the cricket again after watching most of it live earlier. New Zealand really were poor today. You have to feel for Pakistan, they’ve played some good cricket and turned over some good teams. Why don’t the ICC use head to head as first tiebreaker when teams are equal on points?
Hunt’s dalliance with legalised fox maiming is a clear sign that he’s lost.
I’m relieved - the campaign has outed the Huntsman as deranged.
The incompetent bumbler Boris is a clown, but just about sane.
I’ve recently been to a hustings with Boris and Hunt. Both of them were really good. Excellent on ideas, detail, pitfalls and the direction we need to go. Hunt was utterly superb in how he presented himself, Boris was Boris. But he also was very very good.
BXP / CON with 100+ majority for, one imagines, a very limited program.
Such a result would surely also be a killer blow for FPTP. But I somehow think that at hese numbers all guesses are mug's games.
I think what Electoral Calculus does go to show, varying wildly between different polls just a few percent apart, is that an election fought on a backdrop of current numbers would be wildly unpredictable, as we are close to so many pivot points.
I still think it likeliest that LDs score in the 50ish MP range, and Brexit in the couple of dozen, and that Labour wlli benefit from FPTP more than the Tories at these levels, but that could just be a natural instinct to go against predicting the extremer outcomes. Who knows?
In a normal era, a poll like this would end the LOTO's career tomorrow.
When are Labour members and union activists going to wake up? Jezza is leading you to total defeat.
Because they think they will make up 20 points in a GE campaign like last time. That’s what they are clinging onto.
Desperate. Those new LibDems voters clearly aren't coming back.
Jezza will have to have 'People's Vote' tattooed across his forehead in block capitals to turn this around.
Bang goes the idea Hunt is a more popular choice with the public thsn Boris then.
I also know at least 1 Tory member who is a Remainer and Association Chairman and might have voted for Hunt but is very anti fox hunting, this probably pushes him towards Boris
BXP / CON with 100+ majority for, one imagines, a very limited program.
Such a result would surely also be a killer blow for FPTP. But I somehow think that at hese numbers all guesses are mug's games.
I think what Electoral Calculus does go to show, varying wildly between different polls just a few percent apart, is that an election fought on a backdrop of current numbers would be wildly unpredictable, as we are close to so many pivot points.
I still think it likeliest that LDs score in the 50ish MP range, and Brexit in the couple of dozen, and that Labour wlli benefit from FPTP more than the Tories at these levels, but that could just be a natural instinct to go against predicting the extremer outcomes. Who knows?
In a normal era, a poll like this would end the LOTO's career tomorrow.
When are Labour members and union activists going to wake up? Jezza is leading you to total defeat.
Because they think they will make up 20 points in a GE campaign like last time. That’s what they are clinging onto.
Indeed. There's certainly no guarantee they will do that, but in fairness given very few people expected them to do it last time, why would the massed ranks of the membership react at all to such polls? I suppose that they are losing ground to the LDs rather than merely trailing the Tories is more concerning for them, but unless Corbyn simply refuses to go full remain, he's got to be safe.
Surely Watson will find support now to make the move against the allotment holder? Even the diehards must know the game is up.
No chance. They’ll double down and focus on deselections. Corbyn will never be removed. Having him as leader is far more important to most Labour members than defeating the English nationalist hard right.
BXP / CON with 100+ majority for, one imagines, a very limited program.
Such a result would surely also be a killer blow for FPTP. But I somehow think that at hese numbers all guesses are mug's games.
I think what Electoral Calculus does go to show, varying wildly between different polls just a few percent apart, is that an election fought on a backdrop of current numbers would be wildly unpredictable, as we are close to so many pivot points.
I still think it likeliest that LDs score in the 50ish MP range, and Brexit in the couple of dozen, and that Labour wlli benefit from FPTP more than the Tories at these levels, but that could just be a natural instinct to go against predicting the extremer outcomes. Who knows?
In a normal era, a poll like this would end the LOTO's career tomorrow.
When are Labour members and union activists going to wake up? Jezza is leading you to total defeat.
Because they think they will make up 20 points in a GE campaign like last time. That’s what they are clinging onto.
Indeed. There's certainly no guarantee they will do that, but in fairness given very few people expected them to do it last time, why would the massed ranks of the membership react at all to such polls? I suppose that they are losing ground to the LDs rather than merely trailing the Tories is more concerning for them, but unless Corbyn simply refuses to go full remain, he's got to be safe.
They also think that YouGov is one whole ‘MSM’ Tory conspiracy...
He really has got the papers sewn up. They either love him, or they loathe him, and were never going to love him.
Clunk the seatbelt, we're all going for a ride.
I think the spirit of these times would demand that we ride at full speed, after cutting the seatbelt to pieces.
I agree, I'm well ready for the Boris J roller-coaster. We are now so fucked there is no unfucking it, so we might as well go fucking ballistic, and let the world fuck itself, or not, whatever the fuck, who fucking cares anymore. As Shakespeare so aptly put it.
Fire up the Quattro, Bojo.
One thing you can say for Bojo, at least most of the world will know who our PM is which is more than can be said for Theresa
Why does that matter? What benefit is gained from more of the world knowing who our PM is?
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Biden won't even make it to the Iowa caucuses.
He's only gotten this far because: (a) he did really well with Black Democrats who remember him as Obama's VP, and (b) because people think he's going to win.
Kamala Harris is taking the Black vote and the aura is beginning to evaporate. Plus, Biden does not look like he's enjoying the campaign very much. Oh yeah, and he doesn't have a very good ground operation.
I foresee only half a dozen candidates making it to Iowa: Sanders, Harris, Warren, Buttigieg, and perhaps two others (O'Rourke being the most likely tier three candidate to make it - and I'd tip him as the VP pick, assuming either Warren or Harris is the nominee).
My money is on Sanders withdrawing after losing Iowa and New Hampshire.
But I guess we'll see...
Do you anticipate it ending up between warren an Harris, and Harris getting the nomination?
BXP / CON with 100+ majority for, one imagines, a very limited program.
Such a result would surely also be a killer blow for FPTP. But I somehow think that at hese numbers all guesses are mug's games.
I think what Electoral Calculus does go to show, varying wildly between different polls just a few percent apart, is that an election fought on a backdrop of current numbers would be wildly unpredictable, as we are close to so many pivot points.
I still think it likeliest that LDs score in the 50ish MP range, and Brexit in the couple of dozen, and that Labour wlli benefit from FPTP more than the Tories at these levels, but that could just be a natural instinct to go against predicting the extremer outcomes. Who knows?
In a normal era, a poll like this would end the LOTO's career tomorrow.
When are Labour members and union activists going to wake up? Jezza is leading you to total defeat.
Because they think they will make up 20 points in a GE campaign like last time. That’s what they are clinging onto.
Indeed. There's certainly no guarantee they will do that, but in fairness given very few people expected them to do it last time, why would the massed ranks of the membership react at all to such polls? I suppose that they are losing ground to the LDs rather than merely trailing the Tories is more concerning for them, but unless Corbyn simply refuses to go full remain, he's got to be safe.
I suggest these members knock on a few doors and find the burning anger of Remainers who feel let down by Labour's constant fence sitting.
As Nick Cohen has said, the anger 'aint all in the BXP/Brexiteer wing of this debate.
I don't understand the Electoral Calculus seat projection on tonight's YouGov.
Is it really likely that the BRX vote will be more efficiently distributed than the Con vote? Surely all history of 3rd parties tells us this isn't the case.
In contrast Flavible seat projection for tonight's YouGov is:
Con 202, BRX 160, Lab 119, LD 96 - which looks far more realistic.
Hunt’s dalliance with legalised fox maiming is a clear sign that he’s lost.
I’m relieved - the campaign has outed the Huntsman as deranged.
The incompetent bumbler Boris is a clown, but just about sane.
Sigh. I am not Sean. But as you were, otherwise.
Byronic, apologies. Force of habit! It’s the cadence of your prose, recalls a former PBer. He and I were on opposite sides of the traditional political divide but he was often good value.
I don't understand the Electoral Calculus seat projection on tonight's YouGov.
Is it really likely that the BRX vote will be more efficiently distributed than the Con vote? Surely all history of 3rd parties tells us this isn't the case.
In contrast Flavible seat projection for tonight's YouGov is:
Con 202, BRX 160, Lab 119, LD 96 - which looks far more realistic.
More Tories vote BXP than Tory thesedays, that might account for it. But I think everyone accepts there's just no way to have a sound prediction from scores like these.
BXP / CON with 100+ majority for, one imagines, a very limited program.
Such a result would surely also be a killer blow for FPTP. But I somehow think that at hese numbers all guesses are mug's games.
I think what Electoral Calculus does go to show, varying wildly between different polls just a few percent apart, is that an election fought on a backdrop of current numbers would be wildly unpredictable, as we are close to so many pivot points.
I still think it likeliest that LDs score in the 50ish MP range, and Brexit in the couple of dozen, and that Labour wlli benefit from FPTP more than the Tories at these levels, but that could just be a natural instinct to go against predicting the extremer outcomes. Who knows?
In a normal era, a poll like this would end the LOTO's career tomorrow.
When are Labour members and union activists going to wake up? Jezza is leading you to total defeat.
Because they think they will make up 20 points in a GE campaign like last time. That’s what they are clinging onto.
Desperate. Those new LibDems voters clearly aren't coming back.
Jezza will have to have 'People's Vote' tattooed across his forehead in block capitals to turn this around.
I've heard rumours that the Corbyn-is-unwell anecdotes are not entirely unsubstantiated. So there might be a vacancy soon-ish.
It will be a fascinating struggle. The Tories should be scared. All Labour needs is a decent enough leader with a believable Remainer background and they will sweep to a large polling lead.
Of course Labour might persist with their insanity, and then who knows.
On those numbers Boris would have lost half his MPs, an even lower total than Hague, the worst result for the party since 1906 (and Balfour got 43% of the vote)
He'd be done, a laughing stock, and have to resign.
Aren't YouGov typically showing lower Lab ratings than the others?
Yes. Labour hold the lead in the most recent polls from Opinium, Survation, ComRes, BMG and DeltaPoll with mighty scores of 26, 26, 27, 27 and 26 respectively - though the last of these is from May. So a bit old.
Still. To equal their May 2009 nadir is quite some achievement.
A different leader and a convincing argued position on brexit, why they feel we need a second go etc. 50% plus..
Surely Watson will find support now to make the move against the allotment holder? Even the diehards must know the game is up.
No chance. They’ll double down and focus on deselections. Corbyn will never be removed. Having him as leader is far more important to most Labour members than defeating the English nationalist hard right.
Hunt’s dalliance with legalised fox maiming is a clear sign that he’s lost.
I’m relieved - the campaign has outed the Huntsman as deranged.
The incompetent bumbler Boris is a clown, but just about sane.
Sigh. I am not Sean. But as you were, otherwise.
Byronic, apologies. Force of habit! It’s the cadence of your prose, recalls a former PBer. He and I were on opposite sides of the traditional political divide but he was often good value.
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Why can't the Democrats move on from these has-beens and rally around someone who can beat the orangutan?
It smacks of total desperation. Hunt is losing BADLY.
He's only gotten this far because: (a) he did really well with Black Democrats who remember him as Obama's VP, and (b) because people think he's going to win.
Kamala Harris is taking the Black vote and the aura is beginning to evaporate. Plus, Biden does not look like he's enjoying the campaign very much. Oh yeah, and he doesn't have a very good ground operation.
I foresee only half a dozen candidates making it to Iowa: Sanders, Harris, Warren, Buttigieg, and perhaps two others (O'Rourke being the most likely tier three candidate to make it - and I'd tip him as the VP pick, assuming either Warren or Harris is the nominee).
My money is on Sanders withdrawing after losing Iowa and New Hampshire.
But I guess we'll see...
He thought Corbyn was the vehicle, but it is now clear Corbyn is an obstacle, and Labour needs a friendly Remainy face (a face which is secretly hard left as well).
Does he make a move? How does he do it? The prize is slipping away.....
He'd only murder bourgeois grey squirrels.
That said, it is pretty hilarious to see the British public stir into life once the extension kicked in, and finally notice 'Oh hey, did you know there is a centrish-lefty party that is backing us staying in the EU wholeheartedly? I never realised it, let's back them'.
BXP 207
CON 160
LAB 150
LD 71
BXP / CON with 100+ majority for, one imagines, a very limited program.
Hunt and Fox...
And here we are. The Indyref changed everything. The SNP are now the dominant Scottish centre-left party, and the Tories have seized the role of centre-right Unionism. There is no room for Labour, and there is no obvious return path to power, for them.
Why should England/Wales be different to Scotland, following another game-changing referendum?
It is clear one party will seize the mantle of centre-left Remainerism, and oppose the Brexiteers; it is far from clear why this should obviously be Labour.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Kennedy_III
Clunk the seatbelt, we're all going for a ride.
But I struggle to see who is replacing Labour in many places in England. Are the LDs really about to make a breakthrough in all those hardcore Labour inner cities? When you consider how so many of its MPs and others are acting as though they are already the remain party, and ire is being increasingly focused on the person of Corbyn, I retain skepticism that many will not flock back to Labour if it replaces him with someone with the 'correct' view on the EU, particularly when they would have to look very hard in the mirror and say they are prepared to risk yet another Tory win (or BXP/Tory win again, there's no difference between them on the Brexit issue anymore).
Who are England's the SNP?
The Thatchers managed it in a single generation.
I still think it likeliest that LDs score in the 50ish MP range, and Brexit in the couple of dozen, and that Labour wlli benefit from FPTP more than the Tories at these levels, but that could just be a natural instinct to go against predicting the extremer outcomes. Who knows?
It’s almost as if not carrying out a referendum result would be consequence free.. I remember the scoffing on here about old people and their Zimmer frames, going on strike by not using their free bus passes...
You think? The world has moved on. And while I don’t think fox hunting should be against the law, I don’t see how rescinding the legislation will be seen as anything but a monumental FU to city dwellers and the young.
Hunt’s dalliance with legalised fox maiming is a clear sign that he’s lost.
I’m relieved - the campaign has outed the Huntsman as deranged.
The incompetent bumbler Boris is a clown, but just about sane.
Fire up the Quattro, Bojo.
He is close to Warren though so will likely back her this time (much as Obama backed Kerry in 2004)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Kennedy_III
When are Labour members and union activists going to wake up? Jezza is leading you to total defeat.
Still. To equal their May 2009 nadir is quite some achievement.
How on earth are the Tories going to use the old Labour tax bombshell playbook after this campaign? I wouldn't be surprised if Boris has actually spent more than McDonnell.
The BP and Cons would clean up even more in a pact, but it's win/lose for them. The Conservatives have too many MPs to lose and the agendas are different enough that it would probably destroy their party.
Jezza will have to have 'People's Vote' tattooed across his forehead in block capitals to turn this around.
I also know at least 1 Tory member who is a Remainer and Association Chairman and might have voted for Hunt but is very anti fox hunting, this probably pushes him towards Boris
Forget the merits of the issue - Con members number 1 priority is to win the GE. And legalising foxhunting will cost votes for certain.
https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/1146529155426803712
https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1146513963473129478
As Nick Cohen has said, the anger 'aint all in the BXP/Brexiteer wing of this debate.
Is it really likely that the BRX vote will be more efficiently distributed than the Con vote? Surely all history of 3rd parties tells us this isn't the case.
In contrast Flavible seat projection for tonight's YouGov is:
Con 202, BRX 160, Lab 119, LD 96 - which looks far more realistic.
Q. Do you intend to legalise fox hunting?
A. Liam is a great friend of mine. Next question please
Q. But...
A. Sorry, 1 question only...
It will be a fascinating struggle. The Tories should be scared. All Labour needs is a decent enough leader with a believable Remainer background and they will sweep to a large polling lead.
Of course Labour might persist with their insanity, and then who knows.
He'd be done, a laughing stock, and have to resign.
She looks... worn