I've never seen such unanimity on PB about the unsuitability of a politician for high office and particularly one from the right. Even Corbyn had his followers.
Only because the vast majority of PBers are Remainers determined to stop Brexit and they are frightened of Boris as he might actually win a general election and deliver Brexit
When Pulpstar (I think it was) did a survey of regular PB posters a few months ago I believe the scores came to 44 Remain voters against 56 Leave voters.
Now, I am willing to believe a few erstwhile Leavers have seen the light since then but still the actual evidence hardly supports the suggestion that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers".
The last full survey of PBers I saw in 2015 was Tories and Labour about the national average but an over representation of LDs and an under representation of UKIP backers
I take it you accept your earlier statement that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers" is rubbish?
No. The vast majority of PBers are not committed Leavers, Deal or No Deal
I've never seen such unanimity on PB about the unsuitability of a politician for high office and particularly one from the right. Even Corbyn had his followers.
Only because the vast majority of PBers are Remainers determined to stop Brexit and they are frightened of Boris as he might actually win a general election and deliver Brexit
When Pulpstar (I think it was) did a survey of regular PB posters a few months ago I believe the scores came to 44 Remain voters against 56 Leave voters.
Now, I am willing to believe a few erstwhile Leavers have seen the light since then but still the actual evidence hardly supports the suggestion that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers".
The last full survey of PBers I saw in 2015 was Tories and Labour about the national average but an over representation of LDs and an under representation of UKIP backers
I take it you accept your earlier statement that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers" is rubbish?
No. The vast majority of PBers are not committed Leavers, Deal or No Deal
HYUFD voted Remain
Yes I know, he's one of the 44 Remainers from (Pulpstar's?) list.
I've never seen such unanimity on PB about the unsuitability of a politician for high office and particularly one from the right. Even Corbyn had his followers.
Only because the vast majority of PBers are Remainers determined to stop Brexit and they are frightened of Boris as he might actually win a general election and deliver Brexit
When Pulpstar (I think it was) did a survey of regular PB posters a few months ago I believe the scores came to 44 Remain voters against 56 Leave voters.
Now, I am willing to believe a few erstwhile Leavers have seen the light since then but still the actual evidence hardly supports the suggestion that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers".
The last full survey of PBers I saw in 2015 was Tories and Labour about the national average but an over representation of LDs and an under representation of UKIP backers
I take it you accept your earlier statement that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers" is rubbish?
No. The vast majority of PBers are not committed Leavers, Deal or No Deal
HYUFD voted Remain
Yes I know, he's one of the 44 Remainers from (Pulpstar's?) list.
You're listed on the Leave side Sunil - shocking!
Me? Are you kidding? Hey, I was with you all the time! That was beautiful! Did you see the way they fell into our trap? Ha ha!
I've never seen such unanimity on PB about the unsuitability of a politician for high office and particularly one from the right. Even Corbyn had his followers.
Only because the vast majority of PBers are Remainers determined to stop Brexit and they are frightened of Boris as he might actually win a general election and deliver Brexit
When Pulpstar (I think it was) did a survey of regular PB posters a few months ago I believe the scores came to 44 Remain voters against 56 Leave voters.
Now, I am willing to believe a few erstwhile Leavers have seen the light since then but still the actual evidence hardly supports the suggestion that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers".
The last full survey of PBers I saw in 2015 was Tories and Labour about the national average but an over representation of LDs and an under representation of UKIP backers
I take it you accept your earlier statement that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers" is rubbish?
No. The vast majority of PBers are not committed Leavers, Deal or No Deal
Haha. So now 'committed' leavers are the only ones who count. Shameless goalpost moving.
By definition if you are not committed to Leave you are willing to Remain
The evidence (inconvenient, I know) suggests that PBers, like the country are split broadly evenly between Leave and Remain... there is no "vast majority" either way.
I've never seen such unanimity on PB about the unsuitability of a politician for high office and particularly one from the right. Even Corbyn had his followers.
Only because the vast majority of PBers are Remainers determined to stop Brexit and they are frightened of Boris as he might actually win a general election and deliver Brexit
When Pulpstar (I think it was) did a survey of regular PB posters a few months ago I believe the scores came to 44 Remain voters against 56 Leave voters.
Now, I am willing to believe a few erstwhile Leavers have seen the light since then but still the actual evidence hardly supports the suggestion that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers".
The last full survey of PBers I saw in 2015 was Tories and Labour about the national average but an over representation of LDs and an under representation of UKIP backers
I take it you accept your earlier statement that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers" is rubbish?
No. The vast majority of PBers are not committed Leavers, Deal or No Deal
Boris will still probably win the leadership, but if he runs a general election campaign like the way he's acting now, even someone like Corbyn could beat him.
A leadership campaign where he is still in the lead you mean?
I'm sure most Tory members still love him, no matter what he does. I don't know whether the rest of the voting public would be so forgiving.
The voting public still had Boris ahead of Hunt with Sky's poll yesterday and not one recent poll has had a Boris led Tory Party behind Corbyn Labour in voteshare
I thought even Theresa May was more popular than Johnson?
I've never seen such unanimity on PB about the unsuitability of a politician for high office and particularly one from the right. Even Corbyn had his followers.
Only because the vast majority of PBers are Remainers determined to stop Brexit and they are frightened of Boris as he might actually win a general election and deliver Brexit
When Pulpstar (I think it was) did a survey of regular PB posters a few months ago I believe the scores came to 44 Remain voters against 56 Leave voters.
Now, I am willing to believe a few erstwhile Leavers have seen the light since then but still the actual evidence hardly supports the suggestion that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers".
The last full survey of PBers I saw in 2015 was Tories and Labour about the national average but an over representation of LDs and an under representation of UKIP backers
I take it you accept your earlier statement that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers" is rubbish?
No. The vast majority of PBers are not committed Leavers, Deal or No Deal
HYUFD voted Remain
Yes I know, he's one of the 44 Remainers from (Pulpstar's?) list.
Looks like a few names have been added and it's 49 Remain - 58 Leave.
Of course that's how posters voted, some will have changed their mind since then. @HYUFD is clearly one of them... although not adding to that mythical 'vast majority' of PB Remainers.
I've never seen such unanimity on PB about the unsuitability of a politician for high office and particularly one from the right. Even Corbyn had his followers.
Only because the vast majority of PBers are Remainers determined to stop Brexit and they are frightened of Boris as he might actually win a general election and deliver Brexit
When Pulpstar (I think it was) did a survey of regular PB posters a few months ago I believe the scores came to 44 Remain voters against 56 Leave voters.
Now, I am willing to believe a few erstwhile Leavers have seen the light since then but still the actual evidence hardly supports the suggestion that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers".
The last full survey of PBers I saw in 2015 was Tories and Labour about the national average but an over representation of LDs and an under representation of UKIP backers
I take it you accept your earlier statement that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers" is rubbish?
No. The vast majority of PBers are not committed Leavers, Deal or No Deal
HYUFD voted Remain
Yes I know, he's one of the 44 Remainers from (Pulpstar's?) list.
You're listed on the Leave side Sunil - shocking!
Me? Are you kidding? Hey, I was with you all the time! That was beautiful! Did you see the way they fell into our trap? Ha ha!
I know it must be hard for you to admit you voted Leave, given how well it has worked out an' all.
I've never seen such unanimity on PB about the unsuitability of a politician for high office and particularly one from the right. Even Corbyn had his followers.
Only because the vast majority of PBers are Remainers determined to stop Brexit and they are frightened of Boris as he might actually win a general election and deliver Brexit
When Pulpstar (I think it was) did a survey of regular PB posters a few months ago I believe the scores came to 44 Remain voters against 56 Leave voters.
Now, I am willing to believe a few erstwhile Leavers have seen the light since then but still the actual evidence hardly supports the suggestion that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers".
The last full survey of PBers I saw in 2015 was Tories and Labour about the national average but an over representation of LDs and an under representation of UKIP backers
I take it you accept your earlier statement that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers" is rubbish?
No. The vast majority of PBers are not committed Leavers, Deal or No Deal
HYUFD voted Remain
I also respect democracy
So, if a future PM and monarch prorogue parliament, you’re fine with that?
Boris will still probably win the leadership, but if he runs a general election campaign like the way he's acting now, even someone like Corbyn could beat him.
It is a joke campaign!
Like with Brexit Leavers, the Tories are not listening to the public. They will regret propelling Boris into No.10!
Were this the Tory party of yore - packed with seasoned old sceptics quite prepared to teach young master Johnson a lesson for his presumptions - then I imagine Boris would already be toast. It’s the new Kipper element, with its pomposity and entitlement, that will wave Boris through.
I've never seen such unanimity on PB about the unsuitability of a politician for high office and particularly one from the right. Even Corbyn had his followers.
Only because the vast majority of PBers are Remainers determined to stop Brexit and they are frightened of Boris as he might actually win a general election and deliver Brexit
When Pulpstar (I think it was) did a survey of regular PB posters a few months ago I believe the scores came to 44 Remain voters against 56 Leave voters.
Now, I am willing to believe a few erstwhile Leavers have seen the light since then but still the actual evidence hardly supports the suggestion that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers".
The last full survey of PBers I saw in 2015 was Tories and Labour about the national average but an over representation of LDs and an under representation of UKIP backers
I take it you accept your earlier statement that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers" is rubbish?
No. The vast majority of PBers are not committed Leavers, Deal or No Deal
HYUFD voted Remain
Yes I know, he's one of the 44 Remainers from (Pulpstar's?) list.
Looks like a few names have been added and it's 49 Remain - 58 Leave.
Of course that's how posters voted, some will have changed their mind since then. @HYUFD is clearly one of them... although not adding to that mythical 'vast majority' of PB Remainers.
It is not how posters voted, or at least not in my case, so I would guess it is somehow inferred from postings.
I've never seen such unanimity on PB about the unsuitability of a politician for high office and particularly one from the right. Even Corbyn had his followers.
Only because the vast majority of PBers are Remainers determined to stop Brexit and they are frightened of Boris as he might actually win a general election and deliver Brexit
When Pulpstar (I think it was) did a survey of regular PB posters a few months ago I believe the scores came to 44 Remain voters against 56 Leave voters.
Now, I am willing to believe a few erstwhile Leavers have seen the light since then but still the actual evidence hardly supports the suggestion that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers".
The last full survey of PBers I saw in 2015 was Tories and Labour about the national average but an over representation of LDs and an under representation of UKIP backers
I take it you accept your earlier statement that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers" is rubbish?
I think he was just talking about the cerebral ones
I've never seen such unanimity on PB about the unsuitability of a politician for high office and particularly one from the right. Even Corbyn had his followers.
Only because the vast majority of PBers are Remainers determined to stop Brexit and they are frightened of Boris as he might actually win a general election and deliver Brexit
When Pulpstar (I think it was) did a survey of regular PB posters a few months ago I believe the scores came to 44 Remain voters against 56 Leave voters.
Now, I am willing to believe a few erstwhile Leavers have seen the light since then but still the actual evidence hardly supports the suggestion that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers".
The last full survey of PBers I saw in 2015 was Tories and Labour about the national average but an over representation of LDs and an under representation of UKIP backers
I take it you accept your earlier statement that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers" is rubbish?
No. The vast majority of PBers are not committed Leavers, Deal or No Deal
HYUFD voted Remain
I also respect democracy
So, if a future PM and monarch prorogue parliament, you’re fine with that?
Well if Parliament tried to revoke rather than implement the will of the people to Leave the EU so be it
I've never seen such unanimity on PB about the unsuitability of a politician for high office and particularly one from the right. Even Corbyn had his followers.
Only because the vast majority of PBers are Remainers determined to stop Brexit and they are frightened of Boris as he might actually win a general election and deliver Brexit
When Pulpstar (I think it was) did a survey of regular PB posters a few months ago I believe the scores came to 44 Remain voters against 56 Leave voters.
Now, I am willing to believe a few erstwhile Leavers have seen the light since then but still the actual evidence hardly supports the suggestion that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers".
The last full survey of PBers I saw in 2015 was Tories and Labour about the national average but an over representation of LDs and an under representation of UKIP backers
I take it you accept your earlier statement that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers" is rubbish?
I think he was just talking about the cerebral ones
I've never seen such unanimity on PB about the unsuitability of a politician for high office and particularly one from the right. Even Corbyn had his followers.
Only because the vast majority of PBers are Remainers determined to stop Brexit and they are frightened of Boris as he might actually win a general election and deliver Brexit
When Pulpstar (I think it was) did a survey of regular PB posters a few months ago I believe the scores came to 44 Remain voters against 56 Leave voters.
Now, I am willing to believe a few erstwhile Leavers have seen the light since then but still the actual evidence hardly supports the suggestion that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers".
The last full survey of PBers I saw in 2015 was Tories and Labour about the national average but an over representation of LDs and an under representation of UKIP backers
I take it you accept your earlier statement that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers" is rubbish?
No. The vast majority of PBers are not committed Leavers, Deal or No Deal
HYUFD voted Remain
I also respect democracy
So, if a future PM and monarch prorogue parliament, you’re fine with that?
Well if Parliament tried to revoke rather than implement the will of the people to Leave the EU so be it
Boris will still probably win the leadership, but if he runs a general election campaign like the way he's acting now, even someone like Corbyn could beat him.
A leadership campaign where he is still in the lead you mean?
I'm sure most Tory members still love him, no matter what he does. I don't know whether the rest of the voting public would be so forgiving.
The voting public still had Boris ahead of Hunt with Sky's poll yesterday and not one recent poll has had a Boris led Tory Party behind Corbyn Labour in voteshare
I thought even Theresa May was more popular than Johnson?
You thought wrong, even Survation on Sunday had the Tories 2% behind Labour with May, 3% behind with Hunt but tied with Labour under Boris
I've never seen such unanimity on PB about the unsuitability of a politician for high office and particularly one from the right. Even Corbyn had his followers.
Only because the vast majority of PBers are Remainers determined to stop Brexit and they are frightened of Boris as he might actually win a general election and deliver Brexit
When Pulpstar (I think it was) did a survey of regular PB posters a few months ago I believe the scores came to 44 Remain voters against 56 Leave voters.
Now, I am willing to believe a few erstwhile Leavers have seen the light since then but still the actual evidence hardly supports the suggestion that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers".
The last full survey of PBers I saw in 2015 was Tories and Labour about the national average but an over representation of LDs and an under representation of UKIP backers
I take it you accept your earlier statement that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers" is rubbish?
No. The vast majority of PBers are not committed Leavers, Deal or No Deal
HYUFD voted Remain
I also respect democracy
So, if a future PM and monarch prorogue parliament, you’re fine with that?
Well if Parliament tried to revoke rather than implement the will of the people to Leave the EU so be it
I've never seen such unanimity on PB about the unsuitability of a politician for high office and particularly one from the right. Even Corbyn had his followers.
Only because the vast majority of PBers are Remainers determined to stop Brexit and they are frightened of Boris as he might actually win a general election and deliver Brexit
When Pulpstar (I think it was) did a survey of regular PB posters a few months ago I believe the scores came to 44 Remain voters against 56 Leave voters.
Now, I am willing to believe a few erstwhile Leavers have seen the light since then but still the actual evidence hardly supports the suggestion that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers".
The last full survey of PBers I saw in 2015 was Tories and Labour about the national average but an over representation of LDs and an under representation of UKIP backers
I take it you accept your earlier statement that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers" is rubbish?
No. The vast majority of PBers are not committed Leavers, Deal or No Deal
HYUFD voted Remain
I also respect democracy
So, if a future PM and monarch prorogue parliament, you’re fine with that?
Well if Parliament tried to revoke rather than implement the will of the people to Leave the EU so be it
In which case, you are not a democrat.
Well you clearly are not if you refuse to respect the Leave vote
I've never seen such unanimity on PB about the unsuitability of a politician for high office and particularly one from the right. Even Corbyn had his followers.
Only because the vast majority of PBers are Remainers determined to stop Brexit and they are frightened of Boris as he might actually win a general election and deliver Brexit
When Pulpstar (I think it was) did a survey of regular PB posters a few months ago I believe the scores came to 44 Remain voters against 56 Leave voters.
Now, I am willing to believe a few erstwhile Leavers have seen the light since then but still the actual evidence hardly supports the suggestion that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers".
The last full survey of PBers I saw in 2015 was Tories and Labour about the national average but an over representation of LDs and an under representation of UKIP backers
I take it you accept your earlier statement that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers" is rubbish?
No. The vast majority of PBers are not committed Leavers, Deal or No Deal
HYUFD voted Remain
I also respect democracy
So, if a future PM and monarch prorogue parliament, you’re fine with that?
Well if Parliament tried to revoke rather than implement the will of the people to Leave the EU so be it
In which case, you are not a democrat.
Parliament is not the sole expression of democracy that we have in the 21st century.
@TSE's Hunt punt is looking better every day, just saying.
None of this media hysteria about Boris will make any difference with Con members.
They think Boris will deliver Brexit and Hunt is Theresa May in a suit. Therefore Boris will win by a very comfortable margin.
Yep below the line in all the right hotspots (Mail comments, UKIP Home) it's all pro Boris. I think that should be representative of the Tory membership by and large. Boris will win.
I've never seen such unanimity on PB about the unsuitability of a politician for high office and particularly one from the right. Even Corbyn had his followers.
Only because the vast majority of PBers are Remainers determined to stop Brexit and they are frightened of Boris as he might actually win a general election and deliver Brexit
When Pulpstar (I think it was) did a survey of regular PB posters a few months ago I believe the scores came to 44 Remain voters against 56 Leave voters.
Now, I am willing to believe a few erstwhile Leavers have seen the light since then but still the actual evidence hardly supports the suggestion that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers".
The last full survey of PBers I saw in 2015 was Tories and Labour about the national average but an over representation of LDs and an under representation of UKIP backers
I take it you accept your earlier statement that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers" is rubbish?
No. The vast majority of PBers are not committed Leavers, Deal or No Deal
HYUFD voted Remain
I also respect democracy
So, if a future PM and monarch prorogue parliament, you’re fine with that?
Well if Parliament tried to revoke rather than implement the will of the people to Leave the EU so be it
In which case, you are not a democrat.
What would you say if parliament blocked another indyref ?
I've never seen such unanimity on PB about the unsuitability of a politician for high office and particularly one from the right. Even Corbyn had his followers.
Only because the vast majority of PBers are Remainers determined to stop Brexit and they are frightened of Boris as he might actually win a general election and deliver Brexit
When Pulpstar (I think it was) did a survey of regular PB posters a few months ago I believe the scores came to 44 Remain voters against 56 Leave voters.
Now, I am willing to believe a few erstwhile Leavers have seen the light since then but still the actual evidence hardly supports the suggestion that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers".
The last full survey of PBers I saw in 2015 was Tories and Labour about the national average but an over representation of LDs and an under representation of UKIP backers
I take it you accept your earlier statement that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers" is rubbish?
No. The vast majority of PBers are not committed Leavers, Deal or No Deal
HYUFD voted Remain
I also respect democracy
So, if a future PM and monarch prorogue parliament, you’re fine with that?
Well if Parliament tried to revoke rather than implement the will of the people to Leave the EU so be it
In which case, you are not a democrat.
Well you clearly are not if you refuse to respect the Leave vote
I voted Leave myself, but never saw it as a Vote to Leave regardless of the circumstances. The 51.8% Leave Vote was a Coalition which embraced Soft Leavers- Hard Leavers - Norway Deal Leavers - Canada Deal Leavers -as well as those wishing to Leave without a deal. The latter group on its own would almost certainly have lost pretty heavily in June 2016.
I've never seen such unanimity on PB about the unsuitability of a politician for high office and particularly one from the right. Even Corbyn had his followers.
Only because the vast majority of PBers are Remainers determined to stop Brexit and they are frightened of Boris as he might actually win a general election and deliver Brexit
When Pulpstar (I think it was) did a survey of regular PB posters a few months ago I believe the scores came to 44 Remain voters against 56 Leave voters.
Now, I am willing to believe a few erstwhile Leavers have seen the light since then but still the actual evidence hardly supports the suggestion that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers".
The last full survey of PBers I saw in 2015 was Tories and Labour about the national average but an over representation of LDs and an under representation of UKIP backers
I take it you accept your earlier statement that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers" is rubbish?
No. The vast majority of PBers are not committed Leavers, Deal or No Deal
HYUFD voted Remain
Yes I know, he's one of the 44 Remainers from (Pulpstar's?) list.
I've never seen such unanimity on PB about the unsuitability of a politician for high office and particularly one from the right. Even Corbyn had his followers.
Only because the vast majority of PBers are Remainers determined to stop Brexit and they are frightened of Boris as he might actually win a general election and deliver Brexit
When Pulpstar (I think it was) did a survey of regular PB posters a few months ago I believe the scores came to 44 Remain voters against 56 Leave voters.
Now, I am willing to believe a few erstwhile Leavers have seen the light since then but still the actual evidence hardly supports the suggestion that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers".
The last full survey of PBers I saw in 2015 was Tories and Labour about the national average but an over representation of LDs and an under representation of UKIP backers
I take it you accept your earlier statement that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers" is rubbish?
No. The vast majority of PBers are not committed Leavers, Deal or No Deal
HYUFD voted Remain
Yes I know, he's one of the 44 Remainers from (Pulpstar's?) list.
When they actually cast votes in national elections they give a majority of them to parties that reject No Deal. That said, being split so evenly in BXP-friendly YouGov does not bode well for No Dealers should it actually happen.
I've never seen such unanimity on PB about the unsuitability of a politician for high office and particularly one from the right. Even Corbyn had his followers.
Only because the vast majority of PBers are Remainers determined to stop Brexit and they are frightened of Boris as he might actually win a general election and deliver Brexit
When Pulpstar (I think it was) did a survey of regular PB posters a few months ago I believe the scores came to 44 Remain voters against 56 Leave voters.
Now, I am willing to believe a few erstwhile Leavers have seen the light since then but still the actual evidence hardly supports the suggestion that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers".
The last full survey of PBers I saw in 2015 was Tories and Labour about the national average but an over representation of LDs and an under representation of UKIP backers
Don't you worry that half your MPs didn't vote for him in the final round even knowing he was a certainty to win? They were prepared to vote for a loser rather than give him a rousing victory.. I suspect that will be reflected among Tory voters throughout the land
@TSE's Hunt punt is looking better every day, just saying.
None of this media hysteria about Boris will make any difference with Con members.
They think Boris will deliver Brexit and Hunt is Theresa May in a suit. Therefore Boris will win by a very comfortable margin.
Yes, all that has happened is that it will be Boris 60% Hunt 40% rather than Boris 70% Hunt 30% which was never really sustainable anyway
If I was making a prediction I'd say 66% to 34%
If so that would be about the same margin as Cameron beat Davis in 2005 but I think it will be a bit closer and about the same margin IDS beat Clarke in 2001
I've never seen such unanimity on PB about the unsuitability of a politician for high office and particularly one from the right. Even Corbyn had his followers.
Only because the vast majority of PBers are Remainers determined to stop Brexit and they are frightened of Boris as he might actually win a general election and deliver Brexit
When Pulpstar (I think it was) did a survey of regular PB posters a few months ago I believe the scores came to 44 Remain voters against 56 Leave voters.
Now, I am willing to believe a few erstwhile Leavers have seen the light since then but still the actual evidence hardly supports the suggestion that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers".
The last full survey of PBers I saw in 2015 was Tories and Labour about the national average but an over representation of LDs and an under representation of UKIP backers
I take it you accept your earlier statement that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers" is rubbish?
No. The vast majority of PBers are not committed Leavers, Deal or No Deal
HYUFD voted Remain
I also respect democracy
So, if a future PM and monarch prorogue parliament, you’re fine with that?
Well if Parliament tried to revoke rather than implement the will of the people to Leave the EU so be it
In which case, you are not a democrat.
Well you clearly are not if you refuse to respect the Leave vote
I voted Leave myself, but never saw it as a Vote to Leave regardless of the circumstances. The 51.8% Leave Vote was a Coalition which embraced Soft Leavers- Hard Leavers - Norway Deal Leavers - Canada Deal Leavers -as well as those wishing to Leave without a deal. The latter group on its own would almost certainly have lost pretty heavily in June 2016.
Not so sure, Yougov has had No Deal beating Revoke on a forced choice in at least one poll even if most want to Leave with a Deal rather than No Deal
I've never seen such unanimity on PB about the unsuitability of a politician for high office and particularly one from the right. Even Corbyn had his followers.
Only because the vast majority of PBers are Remainers determined to stop Brexit and they are frightened of Boris as he might actually win a general election and deliver Brexit
When Pulpstar (I think it was) did a survey of regular PB posters a few months ago I believe the scores came to 44 Remain voters against 56 Leave voters.
Now, I am willing to believe a few erstwhile Leavers have seen the light since then but still the actual evidence hardly supports the suggestion that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers".
The last full survey of PBers I saw in 2015 was Tories and Labour about the national average but an over representation of LDs and an under representation of UKIP backers
I take it you accept your earlier statement that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers" is rubbish?
No. The vast majority of PBers are not committed Leavers, Deal or No Deal
HYUFD voted Remain
I also respect democracy
So, if a future PM and monarch prorogue parliament, you’re fine with that?
Well if Parliament tried to revoke rather than implement the will of the people to Leave the EU so be it
In which case, you are not a democrat.
What would you say if parliament blocked another indyref ?
What would he think if the Scots voted Yes and an IndyRef but then Parliamentary intrasigence blocked it being implemented?
I've never seen such unanimity on PB about the unsuitability of a politician for high office and particularly one from the right. Even Corbyn had his followers.
Only because the vast majority of PBers are Remainers determined to stop Brexit and they are frightened of Boris as he might actually win a general election and deliver Brexit
When Pulpstar (I think it was) did a survey of regular PB posters a few months ago I believe the scores came to 44 Remain voters against 56 Leave voters.
Now, I am willing to believe a few erstwhile Leavers have seen the light since then but still the actual evidence hardly supports the suggestion that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers".
The last full survey of PBers I saw in 2015 was Tories and Labour about the national average but an over representation of LDs and an under representation of UKIP backers
I take it you accept your earlier statement that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers" is rubbish?
No. The vast majority of PBers are not committed Leavers, Deal or No Deal
HYUFD voted Remain
Yes I know, he's one of the 44 Remainers from (Pulpstar's?) list.
You're listed on the Leave side Sunil - shocking!
Which side am I on?
Definitely voted to leave.
Ok thanks.
It was a long time ago and I thought it would result in a GE which the Tories would lose their majority. I did not inhale.
When they actually cast votes in national elections they give a majority of them to parties that reject No Deal. That said, being split so evenly in BXP-friendly YouGov does not bode well for No Dealers should it actually happen.
Yougov correctly had the anti Brexit LDs ahead of the pro Brexit Corbyn Labour Party in its final European Parliament elections poll unlike most pollsters
I've never seen such unanimity on PB about the unsuitability of a politician for high office and particularly one from the right. Even Corbyn had his followers.
Only because the vast majority of PBers are Remainers determined to stop Brexit and they are frightened of Boris as he might actually win a general election and deliver Brexit
When Pulpstar (I think it was) did a survey of regular PB posters a few months ago I believe the scores came to 44 Remain voters against 56 Leave voters.
Now, I am willing to believe a few erstwhile Leavers have seen the light since then but still the actual evidence hardly supports the suggestion that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers".
Soft leavers count as remainers. And soft now includes people who are not willing to see no deal.
It used to be that people who wanted EFTA/EEA were not true Leavers.
Now, it's people who want any kind of deal with the EU.
I've never seen such unanimity on PB about the unsuitability of a politician for high office and particularly one from the right. Even Corbyn had his followers.
Only because the vast majority of PBers are Remainers determined to stop Brexit and they are frightened of Boris as he might actually win a general election and deliver Brexit
When Pulpstar (I think it was) did a survey of regular PB posters a few months ago I believe the scores came to 44 Remain voters against 56 Leave voters.
Now, I am willing to believe a few erstwhile Leavers have seen the light since then but still the actual evidence hardly supports the suggestion that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers".
The last full survey of PBers I saw in 2015 was Tories and Labour about the national average but an over representation of LDs and an under representation of UKIP backers
Don't you worry that half your MPs didn't vote for him in the final round even knowing he was a certainty to win? They were prepared to vote for a loser rather than give him a rousing victory.. I suspect that will be reflected among Tory voters throughout the land
Boris got a higher percentage of MPs backing him in the final round than IDS and Cameron did
I've never seen such unanimity on PB about the unsuitability of a politician for high office and particularly one from the right. Even Corbyn had his followers.
Only because the vast majority of PBers are Remainers determined to stop Brexit and they are frightened of Boris as he might actually win a general election and deliver Brexit
When Pulpstar (I think it was) did a survey of regular PB posters a few months ago I believe the scores came to 44 Remain voters against 56 Leave voters.
Now, I am willing to believe a few erstwhile Leavers have seen the light since then but still the actual evidence hardly supports the suggestion that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers".
Soft leavers count as remainers. And soft now includes people who are not willing to see no deal.
It used to be that people who wanted EFTA/EEA were not true Leavers.
Now, it's people who want any kind of deal with the EU.
No, not if they want a Deal but still prefer No Deal to Revoke.
If they prefer Revoke to No Deal they are clearly not true Leavers
When they actually cast votes in national elections they give a majority of them to parties that reject No Deal. That said, being split so evenly in BXP-friendly YouGov does not bode well for No Dealers should it actually happen.
Yougov correctly had the anti Brexit LDs ahead of the pro Brexit Corbyn Labour Party in its final European Parliament elections poll unlike most
Yes, it was only beyond margin of error with BXP. It still correctly forecast a majority of votes going to parties that explicitly reject No Deal, but not by as much as was actually the case.
So uniting the country is going ahead with a no deal policy only supported by 28% of those polled.
Revoke and remain 43% . The rest split between Mays deal and a softer Brexit .
Yougov had a poll last month where No Deal was preferred to Revoke on a forced choice everywhere in GB bar London and Scotland
It’s amazing you’ve been bigging up one poll a few weeks old showing Bozo doing well and didn’t like anything since which didn’t show him as popular . Now this latest YouGov doesn’t tell you what you want to hear so we’re now back to a two month old poll because you liked the results .
Can you let us know which polling is allowed through the Bozo is Marvelous filter.
I've never seen such unanimity on PB about the unsuitability of a politician for high office and particularly one from the right. Even Corbyn had his followers.
Only because the vast majority of PBers are Remainers determined to stop Brexit and they are frightened of Boris as he might actually win a general election and deliver Brexit
When Pulpstar (I think it was) did a survey of regular PB posters a few months ago I believe the scores came to 44 Remain voters against 56 Leave voters.
Now, I am willing to believe a few erstwhile Leavers have seen the light since then but still the actual evidence hardly supports the suggestion that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers".
Soft leavers count as remainers. And soft now includes people who are not willing to see no deal.
It used to be that people who wanted EFTA/EEA were not true Leavers.
Now, it's people who want any kind of deal with the EU.
Euroscepticism is radicalising itself into long-term irrelevance. When any kind of deal with the EU is equated with signing up to the full superstate, there's no middle ground left.
I've never seen such unanimity on PB about the unsuitability of a politician for high office and particularly one from the right. Even Corbyn had his followers.
Only because the vast majority of PBers are Remainers determined to stop Brexit and they are frightened of Boris as he might actually win a general election and deliver Brexit
When Pulpstar (I think it was) did a survey of regular PB posters a few months ago I believe the scores came to 44 Remain voters against 56 Leave voters.
Now, I am willing to believe a few erstwhile Leavers have seen the light since then but still the actual evidence hardly supports the suggestion that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers".
Soft leavers count as remainers. And soft now includes people who are not willing to see no deal.
It used to be that people who wanted EFTA/EEA were not true Leavers.
Now, it's people who want any kind of deal with the EU.
There is a world difference between "not willing to see no deal" and "want any kind of deal".
I want a deal. I'm prepared to see no deal if we can't get a deal.
Boris will still probably win the leadership, but if he runs a general election campaign like the way he's acting now, even someone like Corbyn could beat him.
A leadership campaign where he is still in the lead you mean?
I'm sure most Tory members still love him, no matter what he does. I don't know whether the rest of the voting public would be so forgiving.
The voting public still had Boris ahead of Hunt with Sky's poll yesterday and not one recent poll has had a Boris led Tory Party behind Corbyn Labour in voteshare
I thought even Theresa May was more popular than Johnson?
You thought wrong, even Survation on Sunday had the Tories 2% behind Labour with May, 3% behind with Hunt but tied with Labour under Boris
Was that before he soiled himself with his courtesan?
Tory leadership race a fair bit like the 2016 GOP primary I think - here's the analogues (Betfair traders will recognise them)
Trump = Boris ! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ted Cruz = Jeremy Hunt Jeb Bush = Leadsom Marco Rubio = Rory Stewart Ben Carson = Dominic Raab John Kasich = Michael Gove Chris Christie = Sajid Javid Rand Paul = Esther Mcvey Jim Gilmore = Mark Harper Andy Martin = Graham Brady
So uniting the country is going ahead with a no deal policy only supported by 28% of those polled.
Revoke and remain 43% . The rest split between Mays deal and a softer Brexit .
Yougov had a poll last month where No Deal was preferred to Revoke on a forced choice everywhere in GB bar London and Scotland
It’s amazing you’ve been bigging up one poll a few weeks old showing Bozo doing well and didn’t like anything since which didn’t show him as popular . Now this latest YouGov doesn’t tell you what you want to hear so we’re now back to a two month old poll because you liked the results .
Can you let us know which polling is allowed through the Bozo is Marvelous filter.
The latest Yougov does not include a forced Deal v No Deal choice unlike the poll I linked to
Boris will still probably win the leadership, but if he runs a general election campaign like the way he's acting now, even someone like Corbyn could beat him.
A leadership campaign where he is still in the lead you mean?
I'm sure most Tory members still love him, no matter what he does. I don't know whether the rest of the voting public would be so forgiving.
The voting public still had Boris ahead of Hunt with Sky's poll yesterday and not one recent poll has had a Boris led Tory Party behind Corbyn Labour in voteshare
I thought even Theresa May was more popular than Johnson?
You thought wrong, even Survation on Sunday had the Tories 2% behind Labour with May, 3% behind with Hunt but tied with Labour under Boris
Was that before he soiled himself with his courtesan?
Sky yesterday had Boris still ahead of Hunt with the public even after that
Boris will still probably win the leadership, but if he runs a general election campaign like the way he's acting now, even someone like Corbyn could beat him.
A leadership campaign where he is still in the lead you mean?
I'm sure most Tory members still love him, no matter what he does. I don't know whether the rest of the voting public would be so forgiving.
The voting public still had Boris ahead of Hunt with Sky's poll yesterday and not one recent poll has had a Boris led Tory Party behind Corbyn Labour in voteshare
I thought even Theresa May was more popular than Johnson?
You thought wrong, even Survation on Sunday had the Tories 2% behind Labour with May, 3% behind with Hunt but tied with Labour under Boris
Was that before he soiled himself with his courtesan?
So what should Bozos response be to a likely journalist question if no deal becomes government policy . So for example .
Prime Minister you’ve said you’re now going to go ahead with a no deal , what do you say to the workers at Nissan who have been told the site will be closed and they’ll lose their jobs because of your governments policy.
Can Leavers not see that once no deal becomes actual policy the wheels will fall off quickly.
Can someone explain to me how MPs can survive endorsing a no deal , how do you say to your constituents that you’re waving through that policy .
A government pursuing no deal means business will have hard decisions to make , are Leavers sure they’re going to stick by the UK.
I've never seen such unanimity on PB about the unsuitability of a politician for high office and particularly one from the right. Even Corbyn had his followers.
Only because the vast majority of PBers are Remainers determined to stop Brexit and they are frightened of Boris as he might actually win a general election and deliver Brexit
When Pulpstar (I think it was) did a survey of regular PB posters a few months ago I believe the scores came to 44 Remain voters against 56 Leave voters.
Now, I am willing to believe a few erstwhile Leavers have seen the light since then but still the actual evidence hardly supports the suggestion that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers".
The last full survey of PBers I saw in 2015 was Tories and Labour about the national average but an over representation of LDs and an under representation of UKIP backers
I take it you accept your earlier statement that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers" is rubbish?
No. The vast majority of PBers are not committed Leavers, Deal or No Deal
HYUFD voted Remain
Yes I know, he's one of the 44 Remainers from (Pulpstar's?) list.
Wondering why I'm not listed - just checked the system and it says I've done 4,905 posts since March 2013 - though true total will be much higher as I joined in 2005.
For the record I should be added to the Remain column - I'm a Con remainer - though I'm just about backing Boris - primarily on electability grounds.
So what should Bozos response be to a likely journalist question if no deal becomes government policy . So for example .
Prime Minister you’ve said you’re now going to go ahead with a no deal , what do you say to the workers at Nissan who have been told the site will be closed and they’ll lose their jobs because of your governments policy.
Can Leavers not see that once no deal becomes actual policy the wheels will fall off quickly.
Can someone explain to me how MPs can survive endorsing a no deal , how do you say to your constituents that you’re waving through that policy .
A government pursuing no deal means business will have hard decisions to make , are Leavers sure they’re going to stick by the UK.
Boris wants to deliver a FTA for GB and ultimately let Northern Ireland voters decide on the backstop.
However he will deliver a No Deal Brexit if it is the only option left to ensure we Leave the EU
So what should Bozos response be to a likely journalist question if no deal becomes government policy . So for example .
Prime Minister you’ve said you’re now going to go ahead with a no deal , what do you say to the workers at Nissan who have been told the site will be closed and they’ll lose their jobs because of your governments policy.
Can Leavers not see that once no deal becomes actual policy the wheels will fall off quickly.
Can someone explain to me how MPs can survive endorsing a no deal , how do you say to your constituents that you’re waving through that policy .
A government pursuing no deal means business will have hard decisions to make , are Leavers sure they’re going to stick by the UK.
Boris wants to deliver a FTA for GB and ultimately let Northern Ireland voters decide on the backstop.
However he will deliver a No Deal Brexit if it is the only option left to ensure we Leave the EU
Reassuring stuff from Team Boris today. We can afford to ignore up to 649 MPs, it is the voice of the 17m+ what matters. Boris will secure his place in history if he acts on his word. He's nailed on to have my vote in the members ballot.
Euroscepticism is radicalising itself into long-term irrelevance. When any kind of deal with the EU is equated with signing up to the full superstate, there's no middle ground left.
Not sure how you come to that conclusion when had you asked how many support No Deal back in 2016, it would have been single-digit numbers. It now represents the bulk of the Leave vote. If anything, Euroscepticism is becoming more relevant and is growing stronger.
I always thought the more the European Union was exposed to the light, the more attitudes would harden towards it. To put it bluntly, a sizable number of the population now view the EU through the same lense as Godfrey Bloom.
I've never seen such unanimity on PB about the unsuitability of a politician for high office and particularly one from the right. Even Corbyn had his followers.
Only because the vast majority of PBers are Remainers determined to stop Brexit and they are frightened of Boris as he might actually win a general election and deliver Brexit
When Pulpstar (I think it was) did a survey of regular PB posters a few months ago I believe the scores came to 44 Remain voters against 56 Leave voters.
Now, I am willing to believe a few erstwhile Leavers have seen the light since then but still the actual evidence hardly supports the suggestion that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers".
The last full survey of PBers I saw in 2015 was Tories and Labour about the national average but an over representation of LDs and an under representation of UKIP backers
I take it you accept your earlier statement that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers" is rubbish?
No. The vast majority of PBers are not committed Leavers, Deal or No Deal
HYUFD voted Remain
Yes I know, he's one of the 44 Remainers from (Pulpstar's?) list.
Wondering why I'm not listed - just checked the system and it says I've done 4,905 posts since March 2013 - though true total will be much higher as I joined in 2005.
For the record I should be added to the Remain column - I'm a Con remainer - though I'm just about backing Boris - primarily on electability grounds.
So what should Bozos response be to a likely journalist question if no deal becomes government policy . So for example .
Prime Minister you’ve said you’re now going to go ahead with a no deal , what do you say to the workers at Nissan who have been told the site will be closed and they’ll lose their jobs because of your governments policy.
Can Leavers not see that once no deal becomes actual policy the wheels will fall off quickly.
Can someone explain to me how MPs can survive endorsing a no deal , how do you say to your constituents that you’re waving through that policy .
A government pursuing no deal means business will have hard decisions to make , are Leavers sure they’re going to stick by the UK.
Boris wants to deliver a FTA for GB and ultimately let Northern Ireland voters decide on the backstop.
However he will deliver a No Deal Brexit if it is the only option left to ensure we Leave the EU
How does that get by the DUP?
A Boris Tory majority after a likely pre October general election means it does not need to
Reassuring stuff from Team Boris today. We can afford to ignore up to 649 MPs, it is the voice of the 17m+ what matters. Boris will secure his place in history if he acts on his word. He's nailed on to have my vote in the members ballot.
Isn't number one item in the would be dictator's playbook the claim to be able to hear the true voice of the people, ahead of the systems of checks and balances?
I voted - and argued passionately - for Leave on here. If it was a choice between Revoke and No Deal, I would go for No Deal.
But I find this willingness to cast aside our elected representatives, and other inconveniences deeply disturbing.
I'd rather not get what I want right now, but the British constitution remain intact that achieve what I want at the cost of the institutions that have served this country dear over the past 400 years.
Simply, I love my country and our parliament more than I dislike the EU.
I've never seen such unanimity on PB about the unsuitability of a politician for high office and particularly one from the right. Even Corbyn had his followers.
Only because the vast majority of PBers are Remainers determined to stop Brexit and they are frightened of Boris as he might actually win a general election and deliver Brexit
When Pulpstar (I think it was) did a survey of regular PB posters a few months ago I believe the scores came to 44 Remain voters against 56 Leave voters.
Now, I am willing to believe a few erstwhile Leavers have seen the light since then but still the actual evidence hardly supports the suggestion that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers".
The last full survey of PBers I saw in 2015 was Tories and Labour about the national average but an over representation of LDs and an under representation of UKIP backers
I take it you accept your earlier statement that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers" is rubbish?
No. The vast majority of PBers are not committed Leavers, Deal or No Deal
HYUFD voted Remain
Yes I know, he's one of the 44 Remainers from (Pulpstar's?) list.
Wondering why I'm not listed - just checked the system and it says I've done 4,905 posts since March 2013 - though true total will be much higher as I joined in 2005.
For the record I should be added to the Remain column - I'm a Con remainer - though I'm just about backing Boris - primarily on electability grounds.
Done
That is rather cool. I note you have avoided trying to classify SeanT. Probably very wise.
And if you are updating then I believe Nigel Foremain, Southam Observer and Nico67 should be added to the 'Voted Remain' side.
I've never seen such unanimity on PB about the unsuitability of a politician for high office and particularly one from the right. Even Corbyn had his followers.
Only because the vast majority of PBers are Remainers determined to stop Brexit and they are frightened of Boris as he might actually win a general election and deliver Brexit
When Pulpstar (I think it was) did a survey of regular PB posters a few months ago I believe the scores came to 44 Remain voters against 56 Leave voters.
Now, I am willing to believe a few erstwhile Leavers have seen the light since then but still the actual evidence hardly supports the suggestion that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers".
Soft leavers count as remainers. And soft now includes people who are not willing to see no deal.
It used to be that people who wanted EFTA/EEA were not true Leavers.
Now, it's people who want any kind of deal with the EU.
There is a world difference between "not willing to see no deal" and "want any kind of deal".
I want a deal. I'm prepared to see no deal if we can't get a deal.
With all due respect, there is time for Mrs May's Deal and there's time for No Deal.
If Boris Johnson said "If the EU is unwilling to reopen negotiations, then we'll be leaving on 31 October", then that would be one thing. He's saying instead "We will definitely be leaving on 31 October."
And I'd like to say that that's refreshingly honest. But it's not, because he's also saying he's going to get a new deal.
So, is he lying about trying to get a new deal? Or is he lying about leaving on 31 October?
I've never seen such unanimity on PB about the unsuitability of a politician for high office and particularly one from the right. Even Corbyn had his followers.
Only because the vast majority of PBers are Remainers determined to stop Brexit and they are frightened of Boris as he might actually win a general election and deliver Brexit
When Pulpstar (I think it was) did a survey of regular PB posters a few months ago I believe the scores came to 44 Remain voters against 56 Leave voters.
Now, I am willing to believe a few erstwhile Leavers have seen the light since then but still the actual evidence hardly supports the suggestion that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers".
The last full survey of PBers I saw in 2015 was Tories and Labour about the national average but an over representation of LDs and an under representation of UKIP backers
I take it you accept your earlier statement that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers" is rubbish?
No. The vast majority of PBers are not committed Leavers, Deal or No Deal
HYUFD voted Remain
Yes I know, he's one of the 44 Remainers from (Pulpstar's?) list.
Wondering why I'm not listed - just checked the system and it says I've done 4,905 posts since March 2013 - though true total will be much higher as I joined in 2005.
For the record I should be added to the Remain column - I'm a Con remainer - though I'm just about backing Boris - primarily on electability grounds.
Done
That is rather cool. I note you have avoided trying to classify SeanT. Probably very wise.
And if you are updating then I believe Nigel Foremain, Southam Observer and Nico67 should be added to the 'Voted Remain' side.
I think SeanT has been on both sides of the spreadsheet. Often switching between drinks. He's starts off as a cool, sober detached Leaver. Then he becomes a melancholy drunk and worries about the value of his flat, and switches to Remain. Finally he becomes belligerent and suggests invading France.
I've never seen such unanimity on PB about the unsuitability of a politician for high office and particularly one from the right. Even Corbyn had his followers.
Only because the vast majority of PBers are Remainers determined to stop Brexit and they are frightened of Boris as he might actually win a general election and deliver Brexit
When Pulpstar (I think it was) did a survey of regular PB posters a few months ago I believe the scores came to 44 Remain voters against 56 Leave voters.
Now, I am willing to believe a few erstwhile Leavers have seen the light since then but still the actual evidence hardly supports the suggestion that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers".
The last full survey of PBers I saw in 2015 was Tories and Labour about the national average but an over representation of LDs and an under representation of UKIP backers
I take it you accept your earlier statement that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers" is rubbish?
No. The vast majority of PBers are not committed Leavers, Deal or No Deal
HYUFD voted Remain
Yes I know, he's one of the 44 Remainers from (Pulpstar's?) list.
Wondering why I'm not listed - just checked the system and it says I've done 4,905 posts since March 2013 - though true total will be much higher as I joined in 2005.
For the record I should be added to the Remain column - I'm a Con remainer - though I'm just about backing Boris - primarily on electability grounds.
Done
That is rather cool. I note you have avoided trying to classify SeanT. Probably very wise.
And if you are updating then I believe Nigel Foremain, Southam Observer and Nico67 should be added to the 'Voted Remain' side.
SeanT voted to leave. JackW and Cycle free I'm not sure on and they won't tell me or anyone else. As is their right
I've never seen such unanimity on PB about the unsuitability of a politician for high office and particularly one from the right. Even Corbyn had his followers.
Only because the vast majority of PBers are Remainers determined to stop Brexit and they are frightened of Boris as he might actually win a general election and deliver Brexit
When Pulpstar (I think it was) did a survey of regular PB posters a few months ago I believe the scores came to 44 Remain voters against 56 Leave voters.
Now, I am willing to believe a few erstwhile Leavers have seen the light since then but still the actual evidence hardly supports the suggestion that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers".
The last full survey of PBers I saw in 2015 was Tories and Labour about the national average but an over representation of LDs and an under representation of UKIP backers
I take it you accept your earlier statement that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers" is rubbish?
No. The vast majority of PBers are not committed Leavers, Deal or No Deal
HYUFD voted Remain
Yes I know, he's one of the 44 Remainers from (Pulpstar's?) list.
Wondering why I'm not listed - just checked the system and it says I've done 4,905 posts since March 2013 - though true total will be much higher as I joined in 2005.
For the record I should be added to the Remain column - I'm a Con remainer - though I'm just about backing Boris - primarily on electability grounds.
Done
That is rather cool. I note you have avoided trying to classify SeanT. Probably very wise.
And if you are updating then I believe Nigel Foremain, Southam Observer and Nico67 should be added to the 'Voted Remain' side.
SeanT voted to leave. JackW and Cycle free I'm not sure on and they won't tell me or anyone else. As is their right
Those of us who know who JackW is know how he voted.
I've never seen such unanimity on PB about the unsuitability of a politician for high office and particularly one from the right. Even Corbyn had his followers.
Only because the vast majority of PBers are Remainers determined to stop Brexit and they are frightened of Boris as he might actually win a general election and deliver Brexit
When Pulpstar (I think it was) did a survey of regular PB posters a few months ago I believe the scores came to 44 Remain voters against 56 Leave voters.
Now, I am willing to believe a few erstwhile Leavers have seen the light since then but still the actual evidence hardly supports the suggestion that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers".
The last full survey of PBers I saw in 2015 was Tories and Labour about the national average but an over representation of LDs and an under representation of UKIP backers
I take it you accept your earlier statement that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers" is rubbish?
No. The vast majority of PBers are not committed Leavers, Deal or No Deal
HYUFD voted Remain
Yes I know, he's one of the 44 Remainers from (Pulpstar's?) list.
Wondering why I'm not listed - just checked the system and it says I've done 4,905 posts since March 2013 - though true total will be much higher as I joined in 2005.
For the record I should be added to the Remain column - I'm a Con remainer - though I'm just about backing Boris - primarily on electability grounds.
Done
Hey Pulpstar. Bung me on that list as a Remainer if you would be so kind?
I've never seen such unanimity on PB about the unsuitability of a politician for high office and particularly one from the right. Even Corbyn had his followers.
Only because the vast majority of PBers are Remainers determined to stop Brexit and they are frightened of Boris as he might actually win a general election and deliver Brexit
When Pulpstar (I think it was) did a survey of regular PB posters a few months ago I believe the scores came to 44 Remain voters against 56 Leave voters.
Now, I am willing to believe a few erstwhile Leavers have seen the light since then but still the actual evidence hardly supports the suggestion that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers".
The last full survey of PBers I saw in 2015 was Tories and Labour about the national average but an over representation of LDs and an under representation of UKIP backers
I take it you accept your earlier statement that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers" is rubbish?
No. The vast majority of PBers are not committed Leavers, Deal or No Deal
HYUFD voted Remain
Yes I know, he's one of the 44 Remainers from (Pulpstar's?) list.
Wondering why I'm not listed - just checked the system and it says I've done 4,905 posts since March 2013 - though true total will be much higher as I joined in 2005.
For the record I should be added to the Remain column - I'm a Con remainer - though I'm just about backing Boris - primarily on electability grounds.
Done
That is rather cool. I note you have avoided trying to classify SeanT. Probably very wise.
And if you are updating then I believe Nigel Foremain, Southam Observer and Nico67 should be added to the 'Voted Remain' side.
SeanT voted to leave. JackW and Cycle free I'm not sure on and they won't tell me or anyone else. As is their right
Those of us who know who JackW is know how he voted.
Reassuring stuff from Team Boris today. We can afford to ignore up to 649 MPs, it is the voice of the 17m+ what matters. Boris will secure his place in history if he acts on his word. He's nailed on to have my vote in the members ballot.
Isn't number one item in the would be dictator's playbook the claim to be able to hear the true voice of the people, ahead of the systems of checks and balances?
I voted - and argued passionately - for Leave on here. If it was a choice between Revoke and No Deal, I would go for No Deal.
But I find this willingness to cast aside our elected representatives, and other inconveniences deeply disturbing.
I'd rather not get what I want right now, but the British constitution remain intact that achieve what I want at the cost of the institutions that have served this country dear over the past 400 years.
Simply, I love my country and our parliament more than I dislike the EU.
I think you are completely wrong on this. There is no casting aside of the constitution at all. The making and unmaking of treaties is part of the Royal Prerogative. As such the PM has the absolute right within the constitution as it stands to enact No Deal if they wish. The Miller case only said that Parliament had to be consulted and approval sought for the process to begin. They did not overturn or alter any other part of the Royal Prerogative. Parliament duly voted to allow the PM to enact Article 50. They had their say and clearly expressed it.
Personally I would like to see the whole use of Royal Prerogative ended but the idea that using it in this case is somehow casting aside 400 years of our constitutional institutions is simply wrong. In fact it is Parliament that is seeking to do that by seizing control without going through the proper procedures of actually removing Royal Prerogative.
I've never seen such unanimity on PB about the unsuitability of a politician for high office and particularly one from the right. Even Corbyn had his followers.
Only because the vast majority of PBers are Remainers determined to stop Brexit and they are frightened of Boris as he might actually win a general election and deliver Brexit
When Pulpstar (I think it was) did a survey of regular PB posters a few months ago I believe the scores came to 44 Remain voters against 56 Leave voters.
Now, I am willing to believe a few erstwhile Leavers have seen the light since then but still the actual evidence hardly supports the suggestion that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers".
The last full survey of PBers I saw in 2015 was Tories and Labour about the national average but an over representation of LDs and an under representation of UKIP backers
I take it you accept your earlier statement that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers" is rubbish?
No. The vast majority of PBers are not committed Leavers, Deal or No Deal
HYUFD voted Remain
Yes I know, he's one of the 44 Remainers from (Pulpstar's?) list.
Wondering why I'm not listed - just checked the system and it says I've done 4,905 posts since March 2013 - though true total will be much higher as I joined in 2005.
For the record I should be added to the Remain column - I'm a Con remainer - though I'm just about backing Boris - primarily on electability grounds.
Done
That is rather cool. I note you have avoided trying to classify SeanT. Probably very wise.
And if you are updating then I believe Nigel Foremain, Southam Observer and Nico67 should be added to the 'Voted Remain' side.
SeanT voted to leave. JackW and Cycle free I'm not sure on and they won't tell me or anyone else. As is their right
Those of us who know who JackW is know how he voted.
Reassuring stuff from Team Boris today. We can afford to ignore up to 649 MPs, it is the voice of the 17m+ what matters. Boris will secure his place in history if he acts on his word. He's nailed on to have my vote in the members ballot.
Isn't number one item in the would be dictator's playbook the claim to be able to hear the true voice of the people, ahead of the systems of checks and balances?
I voted - and argued passionately - for Leave on here. If it was a choice between Revoke and No Deal, I would go for No Deal.
But I find this willingness to cast aside our elected representatives, and other inconveniences deeply disturbing.
I'd rather not get what I want right now, but the British constitution remain intact that achieve what I want at the cost of the institutions that have served this country dear over the past 400 years.
Simply, I love my country and our parliament more than I dislike the EU.
I think you are completely wrong on this. There is no casting aside of the constitution at all. The making and unmaking of treaties is part of the Royal Prerogative. As such the PM has the absolute right within the constitution as it stands to enact No Deal if they wish. The Miller case only said that Parliament had to be consulted and approval sought for the process to begin. They did not overturn or alter any other part of the Royal Prerogative.
Personally I would like to see the whole use of Royal Prerogative ended but the idea that using it in this case is somehow casting aside 400 years of our constitutional institutions is simply wrong. In fact it is Parliament that is seeking to do that by seizing control without going through the proper procedures of actually removing Royal Prerogative.
I don't disagree with you on this. I don't think the Executive should be taking instructions from the Legislature.
However, the Legislature does have one weapon. It has the ability to call a Vote of No Confidence in Her Majesty's Government.
So, I am specifically talking about mechanisms used by the Executive to avoid such an outcome.
Reassuring stuff from Team Boris today. We can afford to ignore up to 649 MPs, it is the voice of the 17m+ what matters. Boris will secure his place in history if he acts on his word. He's nailed on to have my vote in the members ballot.
Isn't number one item in the would be dictator's playbook the claim to be able to hear the true voice of the people, ahead of the systems of checks and balances?
I voted - and argued passionately - for Leave on here. If it was a choice between Revoke and No Deal, I would go for No Deal.
But I find this willingness to cast aside our elected representatives, and other inconveniences deeply disturbing.
I'd rather not get what I want right now, but the British constitution remain intact that achieve what I want at the cost of the institutions that have served this country dear over the past 400 years.
Simply, I love my country and our parliament more than I dislike the EU.
I think you are completely wrong on this. There is no casting aside of the constitution at all. The making and unmaking of treaties is part of the Royal Prerogative. As such the PM has the absolute right within the constitution as it stands to enact No Deal if they wish. The Miller case only said that Parliament had to be consulted and approval sought for the process to begin. They did not overturn or alter any other part of the Royal Prerogative.
Personally I would like to see the whole use of Royal Prerogative ended but the idea that using it in this case is somehow casting aside 400 years of our constitutional institutions is simply wrong. In fact it is Parliament that is seeking to do that by seizing control without going through the proper procedures of actually removing Royal Prerogative.
I don't disagree with you on this. I don't think the Executive should be taking instructions from the Legislature.
However, the Legislature does have one weapon. It has the ability to call a Vote of No Confidence in Her Majesty's Government.
So, I am specifically talking about mechanisms used by the Executive to avoid such an outcome.
The only one I have heard of is proroguing Parliament and I thought the only person suggesting that was Raab.
I agree that is not something that should be encouraged.
Isn't number one item in the would be dictator's playbook the claim to be able to hear the true voice of the people, ahead of the systems of checks and balances?
I voted - and argued passionately - for Leave on here. If it was a choice between Revoke and No Deal, I would go for No Deal.
Why? Revocation doesn’t mean no Brexit ever. It would just reset things in a way that did no damage. Furthermore some people think it would help get a government elected that was committed to doing Brexit properly.
I've never seen such unanimity on PB about the unsuitability of a politician for high office and particularly one from the right. Even Corbyn had his followers.
Only because the vast majority of PBers are Remainers determined to stop Brexit and they are frightened of Boris as he might actually win a general election and deliver Brexit
When Pulpstar (I think it was) did a survey of regular PB posters a few months ago I believe the scores came to 44 Remain voters against 56 Leave voters.
Now, I am willing to believe a few erstwhile Leavers have seen the light since then but still the actual evidence hardly supports the suggestion that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers".
The last full survey of PBers I saw in 2015 was Tories and Labour about the national average but an over representation of LDs and an under representation of UKIP backers
I take it you accept your earlier statement that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers" is rubbish?
No. The vast majority of PBers are not committed Leavers, Deal or No Deal
HYUFD voted Remain
Yes I know, he's one of the 44 Remainers from (Pulpstar's?) list.
Wondering why I'm not listed - just checked the system and it says I've done 4,905 posts since March 2013 - though true total will be much higher as I joined in 2005.
For the record I should be added to the Remain column - I'm a Con remainer - though I'm just about backing Boris - primarily on electability grounds.
Done
That is rather cool. I note you have avoided trying to classify SeanT. Probably very wise.
And if you are updating then I believe Nigel Foremain, Southam Observer and Nico67 should be added to the 'Voted Remain' side.
As should I. You’ll have to move SeanT between columns most days.
Isn't number one item in the would be dictator's playbook the claim to be able to hear the true voice of the people, ahead of the systems of checks and balances?
I voted - and argued passionately - for Leave on here. If it was a choice between Revoke and No Deal, I would go for No Deal.
Why? Revocation doesn’t mean no Brexit ever. It would just reset things in a way that did no damage. Furthermore some people think it would help get a government elected that was committed to doing Brexit properly.
I've never seen such unanimity on PB about the unsuitability of a politician for high office and particularly one from the right. Even Corbyn had his followers.
Only because the vast majority of PBers are Remainers determined to stop Brexit and they are frightened of Boris as he might actually win a general election and deliver Brexit
When Pulpstar (I think it was) did a survey of regular PB posters a few months ago I believe the scores came to 44 Remain voters against 56 Leave voters.
Now, I am willing to believe a few erstwhile Leavers have seen the light since then but still the actual evidence hardly supports the suggestion that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers".
The last full survey of PBers I saw in 2015 was Tories and Labour about the national average but an over representation of LDs and an under representation of UKIP backers
I take it you accept your earlier statement that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers" is rubbish?
No. The vast majority of PBers are not committed Leavers, Deal or No Deal
HYUFD voted Remain
Yes I know, he's one of the 44 Remainers from (Pulpstar's?) list.
Wondering why I'm not listed - just checked the system and it says I've done 4,905 posts since March 2013 - though true total will be much higher as I joined in 2005.
For the record I should be added to the Remain column - I'm a Con remainer - though I'm just about backing Boris - primarily on electability grounds.
Done
That is rather cool. I note you have avoided trying to classify SeanT. Probably very wise.
And if you are updating then I believe Nigel Foremain, Southam Observer and Nico67 should be added to the 'Voted Remain' side.
That's not true, the question was "If the European Union refused a further extension, and Britain was faced with a stark choice between Remaining or No Deal" - the EU did grant an extension in April and so the situation has since changed. There are also a large number of DKs. I don't know if similar polling has been done asking the same question re 31st Oct.
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Revoke and remain 43% . The rest split between Mays deal and a softer Brexit .
Voting closes at 5pm on Monday 22 July.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JCJKfNJO-H7nOFF9ijezqPsfjR9f7UJ5H-ZWZM-u2Pk/edit?usp=sharing
Looks like a few names have been added and it's 49 Remain - 58 Leave.
Of course that's how posters voted, some will have changed their mind since then. @HYUFD is clearly one of them... although not adding to that mythical 'vast majority' of PB Remainers.
So plenty of time for Boris's inimitable campaign to make an impact then before Tory members actually vote. Interesting.
Why the delay in sending the ballots out I wonder? - seems like the whole thing could have been done two weeks quicker.
Or will it just lead to athlete's foot?
The will of 37.5% of the people.
They think Boris will deliver Brexit and Hunt is Theresa May in a suit. Therefore Boris will win by a very comfortable margin.
Night all!
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/04/04/what-do-public-think-about-no-deal-brexit
Boris will win.
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/04/04/what-do-public-think-about-no-deal-brexit
20 candidates over two nights. Sounds like 14 too many.
Mind, I do enjoy watching MSNBC.
It was a long time ago and I thought it would result in a GE which the Tories would lose their majority. I did not inhale.
Now, it's people who want any kind of deal with the EU.
If they prefer Revoke to No Deal they are clearly not true Leavers
Can you let us know which polling is allowed through the Bozo is Marvelous filter.
I want a deal. I'm prepared to see no deal if we can't get a deal.
Trump = Boris !
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Ted Cruz = Jeremy Hunt
Jeb Bush = Leadsom
Marco Rubio = Rory Stewart
Ben Carson = Dominic Raab
John Kasich = Michael Gove
Chris Christie = Sajid Javid
Rand Paul = Esther Mcvey
Jim Gilmore = Mark Harper
Andy Martin = Graham Brady
Prime Minister you’ve said you’re now going to go ahead with a no deal , what do you say to the workers at Nissan who have been told the site will be closed and they’ll lose their jobs because of your governments policy.
Can Leavers not see that once no deal becomes actual policy the wheels will fall off quickly.
Can someone explain to me how MPs can survive endorsing a no deal , how do you say to your constituents that you’re waving through that policy .
A government pursuing no deal means business will have hard decisions to make , are Leavers sure they’re going to stick by the UK.
Wondering why I'm not listed - just checked the system and it says I've done 4,905 posts since March 2013 - though true total will be much higher as I joined in 2005.
For the record I should be added to the Remain column - I'm a Con remainer - though I'm just about backing Boris - primarily on electability grounds.
However he will deliver a No Deal Brexit if it is the only option left to ensure we Leave the EU
Reassuring stuff from Team Boris today. We can afford to ignore up to 649 MPs, it is the voice of the 17m+ what matters. Boris will secure his place in history if he acts on his word. He's nailed on to have my vote in the members ballot.
I always thought the more the European Union was exposed to the light, the more attitudes would harden towards it. To put it bluntly, a sizable number of the population now view the EU through the same lense as Godfrey Bloom.
https://twitter.com/dsquareddigest/status/1143668754280321024
I voted - and argued passionately - for Leave on here. If it was a choice between Revoke and No Deal, I would go for No Deal.
But I find this willingness to cast aside our elected representatives, and other inconveniences deeply disturbing.
I'd rather not get what I want right now, but the British constitution remain intact that achieve what I want at the cost of the institutions that have served this country dear over the past 400 years.
Simply, I love my country and our parliament more than I dislike the EU.
And if you are updating then I believe Nigel Foremain, Southam Observer and Nico67 should be added to the 'Voted Remain' side.
If Boris Johnson said "If the EU is unwilling to reopen negotiations, then we'll be leaving on 31 October", then that would be one thing. He's saying instead "We will definitely be leaving on 31 October."
And I'd like to say that that's refreshingly honest. But it's not, because he's also saying he's going to get a new deal.
So, is he lying about trying to get a new deal? Or is he lying about leaving on 31 October?
As is their right
For anyone in doubt, Leave.
Personally I would like to see the whole use of Royal Prerogative ended but the idea that using it in this case is somehow casting aside 400 years of our constitutional institutions is simply wrong. In fact it is Parliament that is seeking to do that by seizing control without going through the proper procedures of actually removing Royal Prerogative.
However, the Legislature does have one weapon. It has the ability to call a Vote of No Confidence in Her Majesty's Government.
So, I am specifically talking about mechanisms used by the Executive to avoid such an outcome.
I agree that is not something that should be encouraged.
You’ll have to move SeanT between columns most days.
Remain obviously.
Euro and Schengen please.