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  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,675
    Jeremy Hunt is an unlikely hero, but can he save Britain for Boris?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426

    Perhaps we could use online voting registration to give you a verification code to visit porn sites.

    I can see some of you shaking your fists at that.

    That would be a hard one to enforce.
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 4,239
    edited June 2019
    ydoethur said:

    And it was the most imposing and abject failure in British politics since John Dudley tried to put his daughter in law on the throne of England.

    And is widely agreed to be so by every Lib Dem apart from Ed Davey.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,733
    GIN1138 said:

    ‪Do not underestimate the desperation of a flailing man.‬

    https://twitter.com/politicshome/status/1143598735441612800?s=21

    All this stuff about how Boris's campaign is "faltering" or is in "crisis" etc has there actually been any polling evidence to suggest he doesn't still have anything other than a commanding lead with Con members?
    This campaign is becoming hugely entertaining, but so far the evidence that BoJo is a star campaigner seemcs pretty thin.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426

    ydoethur said:

    The original Lib Dem decapitation strategy was back in 2005 which was in a more innocent era.And it was the most imposing and abject failure in British politics since John Dudley tried to put his daughter in law on the throne of England.

    And is widely agreed to be so by every Lib Dem apart from Ed Davey.
    Why? Does he think that failing to win any targeted seat apart from one that with hindsight they would have been better off losing was a success?

    Or does he just think the Home Rule Bill of 1886 was a worse failure?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,884
    HYUFD said:

    Roger said:

    I've never seen such unanimity on PB about the unsuitability of a politician for high office and particularly one from the right. Even Corbyn had his followers.

    Only because the vast majority of PBers are Remainers determined to stop Brexit and they are frightened of Boris as he might actually win a general election and deliver Brexit
    HYUFD = Remainer
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    Foxy said:

    GIN1138 said:

    ‪Do not underestimate the desperation of a flailing man.‬

    https://twitter.com/politicshome/status/1143598735441612800?s=21

    All this stuff about how Boris's campaign is "faltering" or is in "crisis" etc has there actually been any polling evidence to suggest he doesn't still have anything other than a commanding lead with Con members?
    This campaign is becoming hugely entertaining, but so far the evidence that BoJo is a star campaigner seemcs pretty thin.
    I don't know. A star is a little prick in an acre of darkness.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,238

    Perhaps we could use online voting registration to give you a verification code to visit porn sites.

    I can see some of you shaking your fists at that.

    So Boris was simply engaging in procedural research with that laptop ?

  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,391

    ydoethur said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Roger said:

    I've never seen such unanimity on PB about the unsuitability of a politician for high office and particularly one from the right. Even Corbyn had his followers.

    Only because the vast majority of PBers are Remainers determined to stop Brexit and they are frightened of Boris as he might actually win a general election and deliver Brexit
    Frightened by Johnson?
    Speak for yourself. He is a Machiavellian narcissist and scares the living daylights out of me!
    Machiavellian?!!!
    Duplicitous, underhand and without moral compass.
    Machiavelli was not without a moral compass. He believed a leader had a duty to act ruthlessly to defend the state.
    A+ for pedantry!
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 4,239
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    The original Lib Dem decapitation strategy was back in 2005 which was in a more innocent era.And it was the most imposing and abject failure in British politics since John Dudley tried to put his daughter in law on the throne of England.

    And is widely agreed to be so by every Lib Dem apart from Ed Davey.
    Why? Does he think that failing to win any targeted seat apart from one that with hindsight they would have been better off losing was a success?

    Or does he just think the Home Rule Bill of 1886 was a worse failure?
    Ha. I couldn't tell you.

    But I am interested to note that although Ed Davey is running a good campaign and appears very convincing, pretty much any Liberal Democrat of any significance (...yeah yeah, I know) has swung in behind Jo Swinson. I suspect that says a lot.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,490

    ydoethur said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Roger said:

    I've never seen such unanimity on PB about the unsuitability of a politician for high office and particularly one from the right. Even Corbyn had his followers.

    Only because the vast majority of PBers are Remainers determined to stop Brexit and they are frightened of Boris as he might actually win a general election and deliver Brexit
    Frightened by Johnson?
    Speak for yourself. He is a Machiavellian narcissist and scares the living daylights out of me!
    Machiavellian?!!!
    Duplicitous, underhand and without moral compass.
    Machiavelli was not without a moral compass. He believed a leader had a duty to act ruthlessly to defend the state.
    So you must admire the way the British state is thwarting the self-harm demanded of it by the people?
    I didn't say I agreed with him. Just that he was not without a moral compass. And neither do I agree with your analysis that in this instance the British state is acting in the interests of the populace.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,733
    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    GIN1138 said:

    ‪Do not underestimate the desperation of a flailing man.‬

    https://twitter.com/politicshome/status/1143598735441612800?s=21

    All this stuff about how Boris's campaign is "faltering" or is in "crisis" etc has there actually been any polling evidence to suggest he doesn't still have anything other than a commanding lead with Con members?
    This campaign is becoming hugely entertaining, but so far the evidence that BoJo is a star campaigner seems pretty thin.
    I don't know. A star is a little prick in an acre of darkness.
    That joke is light years better than anything I could manage.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,675
    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    GIN1138 said:

    ‪Do not underestimate the desperation of a flailing man.‬

    https://twitter.com/politicshome/status/1143598735441612800?s=21

    All this stuff about how Boris's campaign is "faltering" or is in "crisis" etc has there actually been any polling evidence to suggest he doesn't still have anything other than a commanding lead with Con members?
    This campaign is becoming hugely entertaining, but so far the evidence that BoJo is a star campaigner seems pretty thin.
    I don't know. A star is a little prick in an acre of darkness.
    That joke is light years better than anything I could manage.
    Watch it with the puns sunshine!
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    I see Ladbrokes think the LDs are going to get 40%+ in Brecon and Radnorshire.

    It's possible, but not more likely than not. I think the 30-40% band is cheap at 23/10 (boosted)
  • PeterMannionPeterMannion Posts: 712

    Oh Oh! Online voting alert. DO NOT GO THERE!

    https://twitter.com/Jeremy_Hunt/status/1143598425654644736

    Three quarters of the population will be wondering what Hunt is talking about -- paying your taxes online. #PAYE
    Wasnt JH an entrepreneur?

    Someone mentioned it
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Charles said:

    nichomar said:

    Charles said:

    nichomar said:

    Charles said:

    Well Boris as a historian knows what happened to Charles I when he tried this democratic obscenity.

    I trust this post will be roundly condemned by many of your fellow remainers who rightly deplore the undercurrent of violence that is creeping into political discourse.

    Or not.
    Don't be a snowflake comrade.

    I was talking about Boris, like Charles I, being removed from power.

    It was your vile Leaver mind that jumped to execution.
    Although a prominent Remainer, Sir Ed Davey, had to apologise today for suggesting the LibDems aim to decapitate Boris
    And very graciously apologized for his language accepting that the term ‘decapitation’ whilst commonly used amongst political nerds was inappropriate.
    I agree, but was setting out the context of why threatening someone that Parliament would treat someone like they treated Charles I would jump to that conclusion...

    Not just because they have a “vile Leaver mind”
    Me thinks TSE was tongue in cheek
    His original post was. His response was unpleasant and nasty
    It was directed at someone who has repeatedly said the murder of Jo Cox was a false flag operation.
    Sure - LuckyGuy is a crank (at best) and should be ignored.

    But the rhetoric on both sides should be toned down

    We need to heal as a polity and a nation
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,720

    ydoethur said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Roger said:

    I've never seen such unanimity on PB about the unsuitability of a politician for high office and particularly one from the right. Even Corbyn had his followers.

    Only because the vast majority of PBers are Remainers determined to stop Brexit and they are frightened of Boris as he might actually win a general election and deliver Brexit
    Frightened by Johnson?
    Speak for yourself. He is a Machiavellian narcissist and scares the living daylights out of me!
    Machiavellian?!!!
    Duplicitous, underhand and without moral compass.
    Machiavelli was not without a moral compass. He believed a leader had a duty to act ruthlessly to defend the state.
    So you must admire the way the British state is thwarting the self-harm demanded of it by the people?
    I didn't say I agreed with him. Just that he was not without a moral compass. And neither do I agree with your analysis that in this instance the British state is acting in the interests of the populace.
    The question is whether it's acting in the interests of the state, and if it is in the interests of the British state to be in the EU, does that not contradict the arguments about sovereignty?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,720
    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    nichomar said:

    Charles said:

    nichomar said:

    Charles said:

    Well Boris as a historian knows what happened to Charles I when he tried this democratic obscenity.

    I trust this post will be roundly condemned by many of your fellow remainers who rightly deplore the undercurrent of violence that is creeping into political discourse.

    Or not.
    Don't be a snowflake comrade.

    I was talking about Boris, like Charles I, being removed from power.

    It was your vile Leaver mind that jumped to execution.
    Although a prominent Remainer, Sir Ed Davey, had to apologise today for suggesting the LibDems aim to decapitate Boris
    And very graciously apologized for his language accepting that the term ‘decapitation’ whilst commonly used amongst political nerds was inappropriate.
    I agree, but was setting out the context of why threatening someone that Parliament would treat someone like they treated Charles I would jump to that conclusion...

    Not just because they have a “vile Leaver mind”
    Me thinks TSE was tongue in cheek
    His original post was. His response was unpleasant and nasty
    It was directed at someone who has repeatedly said the murder of Jo Cox was a false flag operation.
    Sure - LuckyGuy is a crank (at best) and should be ignored.

    But the rhetoric on both sides should be toned down

    We need to heal as a polity and a nation
    The healing process can only start when people who ought to have known better admit their mistakes.
  • anothernickanothernick Posts: 3,591
    Foxy said:

    GIN1138 said:

    ‪Do not underestimate the desperation of a flailing man.‬

    https://twitter.com/politicshome/status/1143598735441612800?s=21

    All this stuff about how Boris's campaign is "faltering" or is in "crisis" etc has there actually been any polling evidence to suggest he doesn't still have anything other than a commanding lead with Con members?
    This campaign is becoming hugely entertaining, but so far the evidence that BoJo is a star campaigner seemcs pretty thin.
    Indeed it is difficult to see why the Tories regard him as a sure fire election winner when his campaign technique seems to consist of cowering in the corner refusing to engage with his opponents. When he does tiptoe out of his bunker he seems quite unable to answer even the most obvious and predictable questions from journalists. Even Theresa May was more forthcoming.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    nichomar said:

    Charles said:

    nichomar said:

    Charles said:

    Well Boris as a historian knows what happened to Charles I when he tried this democratic obscenity.

    I trust this post will be roundly condemned by many of your fellow remainers who rightly deplore the undercurrent of violence that is creeping into political discourse.

    Or not.
    Don't be a snowflake comrade.

    I was talking about Boris, like Charles I, being removed from power.

    It was your vile Leaver mind that jumped to execution.
    Although a prominent Remainer, Sir Ed Davey, had to apologise today for suggesting the LibDems aim to decapitate Boris
    And very graciously apologized for his language accepting that the term ‘decapitation’ whilst commonly used amongst political nerds was inappropriate.
    I agree, but was setting out the context of why threatening someone that Parliament would treat someone like they treated Charles I would jump to that conclusion...

    Not just because they have a “vile Leaver mind”
    Me thinks TSE was tongue in cheek
    His original post was. His response was unpleasant and nasty
    It was directed at someone who has repeatedly said the murder of Jo Cox was a false flag operation.
    Sure - LuckyGuy is a crank (at best) and should be ignored.

    But the rhetoric on both sides should be toned down

    We need to heal as a polity and a nation
    The healing process can only start when people who ought to have known better admit their mistakes.
    I agree: the likes of Grieve and Lee - as well as the nut jobs in the ERG - must accept that we need to leave in a firm which is broadly acceptable to most.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502

    Detailed thread on NI fish situation at No Deal. Just one tiny example of Bungling Boris's forthcoming World of Chaos.

    While he makes model buses out of old wine boxes, the UK enters meltdown.

    https://twitter.com/Freight_NI/status/1143244806933614592

    Believe in Brexit . Sunny Uplands . Nuff said ! There sorted who needs a living when Bozo will deliver us to the promised land !
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,675
    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    nichomar said:

    Charles said:

    nichomar said:

    Charles said:

    Well Boris as a historian knows what happened to Charles I when he tried this democratic obscenity.

    I trust this post will be roundly condemned by many of your fellow remainers who rightly deplore the undercurrent of violence that is creeping into political discourse.

    Or not.
    Don't be a snowflake comrade.

    I was talking about Boris, like Charles I, being removed from power.

    It was your vile Leaver mind that jumped to execution.
    Although a prominent Remainer, Sir Ed Davey, had to apologise today for suggesting the LibDems aim to decapitate Boris
    And very graciously apologized for his language accepting that the term ‘decapitation’ whilst commonly used amongst political nerds was inappropriate.
    I agree, but was setting out the context of why threatening someone that Parliament would treat someone like they treated Charles I would jump to that conclusion...

    Not just because they have a “vile Leaver mind”
    Me thinks TSE was tongue in cheek
    His original post was. His response was unpleasant and nasty
    It was directed at someone who has repeatedly said the murder of Jo Cox was a false flag operation.
    Sure - LuckyGuy is a crank (at best) and should be ignored.

    But the rhetoric on both sides should be toned down

    We need to heal as a polity and a nation
    The healing process can only start when people who ought to have known better admit their mistakes.
    I agree: the likes of Grieve and Lee - as well as the nut jobs in the ERG - must accept that we need to leave in a firm which is broadly acceptable to most.
    Hmmmm. Bit late to try to win support of “traitors”, ”saboteurs” and “citizens of nowhere”.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,490
    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    nichomar said:

    Charles said:

    nichomar said:

    Charles said:

    Well Boris as a historian knows what happened to Charles I when he tried this democratic obscenity.

    I trust this post will be roundly condemned by many of your fellow remainers who rightly deplore the undercurrent of violence that is creeping into political discourse.

    Or not.
    Don't be a snowflake comrade.

    I was talking about Boris, like Charles I, being removed from power.

    It was your vile Leaver mind that jumped to execution.
    Although a prominent Remainer, Sir Ed Davey, had to apologise today for suggesting the LibDems aim to decapitate Boris
    And very graciously apologized for his language accepting that the term ‘decapitation’ whilst commonly used amongst political nerds was inappropriate.
    I agree, but was setting out the context of why threatening someone that Parliament would treat someone like they treated Charles I would jump to that conclusion...

    Not just because they have a “vile Leaver mind”
    Me thinks TSE was tongue in cheek
    His original post was. His response was unpleasant and nasty
    It was directed at someone who has repeatedly said the murder of Jo Cox was a false flag operation.
    Sure - LuckyGuy is a crank (at best) and should be ignored.

    But the rhetoric on both sides should be toned down

    We need to heal as a polity and a nation
    Actually, I'm very simply a Tory. I merely believe states (or rather elements within them) to be capable of greater wickedness than most here would be comfortable to live with. It's not something I choose to spend much time dwelling upon however, and I have great optimism and confidence in humankind and that everything will turn out fine in the end.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Jonathan said:

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    nichomar said:

    Charles said:

    nichomar said:

    Charles said:

    Well Boris as a historian knows what happened to Charles I when he tried this democratic obscenity.

    I trust this post will be roundly condemned by many of your fellow remainers who rightly deplore the undercurrent of violence that is creeping into political discourse.

    Or not.
    Don't be a snowflake comrade.

    I was talking about Boris, like Charles I, being removed from power.

    It was your vile Leaver mind that jumped to execution.
    Although a prominent Remainer, Sir Ed Davey, had to apologise today for suggesting the LibDems aim to decapitate Boris
    And very graciously apologized for his language accepting that the term ‘decapitation’ whilst commonly used amongst political nerds was inappropriate.
    I agree, but was setting out the context of why threatening someone that Parliament would treat someone like they treated Charles I would jump to that conclusion...

    Not just because they have a “vile Leaver mind”
    Me thinks TSE was tongue in cheek
    His original post was. His response was unpleasant and nasty
    It was directed at someone who has repeatedly said the murder of Jo Cox was a false flag operation.
    Sure - LuckyGuy is a crank (at best) and should be ignored.

    But the rhetoric on both sides should be toned down

    We need to heal as a polity and a nation
    The healing process can only start when people who ought to have known better admit their mistakes.
    I agree: the likes of Grieve and Lee - as well as the nut jobs in the ERG - must accept that we need to leave in a firm which is broadly acceptable to most.
    Hmmmm. Bit late to try to win support of “traitors”, ”saboteurs” and “citizens of nowhere”.
    None of those terms should be used although the last was mischievously and deliberately misinterpreted
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,675
    Charles said:

    Jonathan said:

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    nichomar said:

    Charles said:

    nichomar said:

    Charles said:

    Well Boris as a historian knows what happened to Charles I when he tried this democratic obscenity.

    I trust this post will be roundly condemned by many of your fellow remainers who rightly deplore the undercurrent of violence that is creeping into political discourse.

    Or not.
    Don't be a snowflake comrade.

    I was talking about Boris, like Charles I, being removed from power.

    It was your vile Leaver mind that jumped to execution.
    Although a prominent Remainer, Sir Ed Davey, had to apologise today for suggesting the LibDems aim to decapitate Boris
    And very graciously apologized for his language accepting that the term ‘decapitation’ whilst commonly used amongst political nerds was inappropriate.
    I agree, but was setting out the context of why threatening someone that Parliament would treat someone like they treated Charles I would jump to that conclusion...

    Not just because they have a “vile Leaver mind”
    Me thinks TSE was tongue in cheek
    His original post was. His response was unpleasant and nasty
    It was directed at someone who has repeatedly said the murder of Jo Cox was a false flag operation.
    Sure - LuckyGuy is a crank (at best) and should be ignored.

    But the rhetoric on both sides should be toned down

    We need to heal as a polity and a nation
    The healing process can only start when people who ought to have known better admit their mistakes.
    I agree: the likes of Grieve and Lee - as well as the nut jobs in the ERG - must accept that we need to leave in a firm which is broadly acceptable to most.
    Hmmmm. Bit late to try to win support of “traitors”, ”saboteurs” and “citizens of nowhere”.
    None of those terms should be used although the last was mischievously and deliberately misinterpreted
    Wake up old chap, the bridges are burned. Nobody in their right mind wants anything to do with it. You only have the ideological nut jobs left. The antithesis of everything Conservative.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,842
    How long before someone in the Johnson camp comes out with the line 'Let Boris be Boris'?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772
    Hunt has a plan for Social Care. Save during your lifetime, like for a pension, and the Government will cap the costs.

  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,675

    How long before someone in the Johnson camp comes out with the line 'Let Boris be Boris'?

    He likes buses. We know that. Some with big fat lies on them.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772
    nico67 said:

    Detailed thread on NI fish situation at No Deal. Just one tiny example of Bungling Boris's forthcoming World of Chaos.

    While he makes model buses out of old wine boxes, the UK enters meltdown.

    https://twitter.com/Freight_NI/status/1143244806933614592

    Believe in Brexit . Sunny Uplands . Nuff said ! There sorted who needs a living when Bozo will deliver us to the promised land !
    As Hunt said: Boris gets his dream of No.10 in exchange for shattering thousands of dreams of small and family businesses.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,698
    edited June 2019
    HYUFD said:

    Roger said:

    I've never seen such unanimity on PB about the unsuitability of a politician for high office and particularly one from the right. Even Corbyn had his followers.

    Only because the vast majority of PBers are Remainers determined to stop Brexit and they are frightened of Boris as he might actually win a general election and deliver Brexit
    When Pulpstar (I think it was) did a survey of regular PB posters a few months ago I believe the scores came to 44 Remain voters against 56 Leave voters.

    Now, I am willing to believe a few erstwhile Leavers have seen the light since then but still the actual evidence hardly supports the suggestion that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers".
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 4,239
    That pizza tweet reminds me of https://www.tedcruzforhumanpresident.com .
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,675
    Scott_P said:
    He is so down to Earth, he’s like one of us. What a guy!

    Still our last hope. Go Jeremy!
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,847
    Charles said:

    Jonathan said:

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    nichomar said:

    Charles said:

    nichomar said:

    Charles said:

    Well Boris as a historian knows what happened to Charles I when he tried this democratic obscenity.

    I trust this post will be roundly condemned by many of your fellow remainers who rightly deplore the undercurrent of violence that is creeping into political discourse.

    Or not.
    Don't be a snowflake comrade.

    I was talking about Boris, like Charles I, being removed from power.

    It was your vile Leaver mind that jumped to execution.
    Although a prominent Remainer, Sir Ed Davey, had to apologise today for suggesting the LibDems aim to decapitate Boris
    And very graciously apologized for his language accepting that the term ‘decapitation’ whilst commonly used amongst political nerds was inappropriate.
    I agree, but was setting out the context of why threatening someone that Parliament would treat someone like they treated Charles I would jump to that conclusion...

    Not just because they have a “vile Leaver mind”
    Me thinks TSE was tongue in cheek
    His original post was. His response was unpleasant and nasty
    It was directed at someone who has repeatedly said the murder of Jo Cox was a false flag operation.
    Sure - LuckyGuy is a crank (at best) and should be ignored.

    But the rhetoric on both sides should be toned down

    We need to heal as a polity and a nation
    The healing process can only start when people who ought to have known better admit their mistakes.
    I agree: the likes of Grieve and Lee - as well as the nut jobs in the ERG - must accept that we need to leave in a firm which is broadly acceptable to most.
    Hmmmm. Bit late to try to win support of “traitors”, ”saboteurs” and “citizens of nowhere”.
    None of those terms should be used although the last was mischievously and deliberately misinterpreted
    Ok, lets hear how we have mischievously and deliberately interpreted citizens of nowhere. I am a citizen of London, UK, Europe and the world and proud of all of them, not a citizen of nowhere.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,868

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    nichomar said:

    Charles said:

    nichomar said:

    Charles said:

    Well Boris as a historian knows what happened to Charles I when he tried this democratic obscenity.

    I trust this post will be roundly condemned by many of your fellow remainers who rightly deplore the undercurrent of violence that is creeping into political discourse.

    Or not.
    Don't be a snowflake comrade.

    I was talking about Boris, like Charles I, being removed from power.

    It was your vile Leaver mind that jumped to execution.
    Although a prominent Remainer, Sir Ed Davey, had to apologise today for suggesting the LibDems aim to decapitate Boris
    And very graciously apologized for his language accepting that the term ‘decapitation’ whilst commonly used amongst political nerds was inappropriate.
    I agree, but was setting out the context of why threatening someone that Parliament would treat someone like they treated Charles I would jump to that conclusion...

    Not just because they have a “vile Leaver mind”
    Me thinks TSE was tongue in cheek
    His original post was. His response was unpleasant and nasty
    It was directed at someone who has repeatedly said the murder of Jo Cox was a false flag operation.
    Sure - LuckyGuy is a crank (at best) and should be ignored.

    But the rhetoric on both sides should be toned down

    We need to heal as a polity and a nation
    The healing process can only start when people who ought to have known better admit their mistakes.
    Yes, when John Major admits he was wrong on Maastricht we can start the process.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,698
    Scott_P said:
    Wait... is that a piece of pineapple I spy there?!
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,060


    Ok, lets hear how we have mischievously and deliberately interpreted citizens of nowhere. I am a citizen of London, UK, Europe and the world and proud of all of them, not a citizen of nowhere.

    But are you a queue jumper?! ;)

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772
    Jonathan said:

    Scott_P said:
    He is so down to Earth, he’s like one of us. What a guy!

    Still our last hope. Go Jeremy!
    No wine stains on that sofa!
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,847
    CatMan said:


    Ok, lets hear how we have mischievously and deliberately interpreted citizens of nowhere. I am a citizen of London, UK, Europe and the world and proud of all of them, not a citizen of nowhere.

    But are you a queue jumper?! ;)

    Yes, if the person/people ahead are dallying. Otherwise no.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,720
    MaxPB said:

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    nichomar said:

    Charles said:

    nichomar said:

    Charles said:

    Well Boris as a historian knows what happened to Charles I when he tried this democratic obscenity.

    I trust this post will be roundly condemned by many of your fellow remainers who rightly deplore the undercurrent of violence that is creeping into political discourse.

    Or not.
    Don't be a snowflake comrade.

    I was talking about Boris, like Charles I, being removed from power.

    It was your vile Leaver mind that jumped to execution.
    Although a prominent Remainer, Sir Ed Davey, had to apologise today for suggesting the LibDems aim to decapitate Boris
    And very graciously apologized for his language accepting that the term ‘decapitation’ whilst commonly used amongst political nerds was inappropriate.
    I agree, but was setting out the context of why threatening someone that Parliament would treat someone like they treated Charles I would jump to that conclusion...

    Not just because they have a “vile Leaver mind”
    Me thinks TSE was tongue in cheek
    His original post was. His response was unpleasant and nasty
    It was directed at someone who has repeatedly said the murder of Jo Cox was a false flag operation.
    Sure - LuckyGuy is a crank (at best) and should be ignored.

    But the rhetoric on both sides should be toned down

    We need to heal as a polity and a nation
    The healing process can only start when people who ought to have known better admit their mistakes.
    Yes, when John Major admits he was wrong on Maastricht we can start the process.
    Indeed, he should never have imposed those opt-outs that left us bitter and marginalised.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772
    Katya says EU leaders don't think either man would throw away their premiership after two months by trying to force No Deal on MPs.

    Perhaps they are a better judge of Boris than his own cultish supporters.
  • The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    Jonathan said:

    How long before someone in the Johnson camp comes out with the line 'Let Boris be Boris'?

    He likes buses. We know that. Some with big fat lies on them.
    I cannot understand why he brought buses up again as everyone associates that with his lies about Brexit on the side of buses. I would like to see these model buses and paintings he has been doing as well, just to prove he was not telling yet more porkies!

    Boris Johnson comes across very badly IMO. Why on earth anyone would want Boris as PM is beyond me.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,868

    MaxPB said:

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    nichomar said:

    Charles said:

    nichomar said:

    Charles said:

    Well Boris as a historian knows what happened to Charles I when he tried this democratic obscenity.

    I trust this post will be roundly condemned by many of your fellow remainers who rightly deplore the undercurrent of violence that is creeping into political discourse.

    Or not.
    Don't be a snowflake comrade.

    I was talking about Boris, like Charles I, being removed from power.

    It was your vile Leaver mind that jumped to execution.
    Although a prominent Remainer, Sir Ed Davey, had to apologise today for suggesting the LibDems aim to decapitate Boris
    And very graciously apologized for his language accepting that the term ‘decapitation’ whilst commonly used amongst political nerds was inappropriate.
    I agree, but was setting out the context of why threatening someone that Parliament would treat someone like they treated Charles I would jump to that conclusion...

    Not just because they have a “vile Leaver mind”
    Me thinks TSE was tongue in cheek
    His original post was. His response was unpleasant and nasty
    It was directed at someone who has repeatedly said the murder of Jo Cox was a false flag operation.
    Sure - LuckyGuy is a crank (at best) and should be ignored.

    But the rhetoric on both sides should be toned down

    We need to heal as a polity and a nation
    The healing process can only start when people who ought to have known better admit their mistakes.
    Yes, when John Major admits he was wrong on Maastricht we can start the process.
    Indeed, he should never have imposed those opt-outs that left us bitter and marginalised.
    Yes, then put it to a referendum.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,720
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    nichomar said:

    Charles said:

    nichomar said:

    Charles said:

    Well Boris as a historian knows what happened to Charles I when he tried this democratic obscenity.

    I trust this post will be roundly condemned by many of your fellow remainers who rightly deplore the undercurrent of violence that is creeping into political discourse.

    Or not.
    Don't be a snowflake comrade.

    I was talking about Boris, like Charles I, being removed from power.

    It was your vile Leaver mind that jumped to execution.
    Although a prominent Remainer, Sir Ed Davey, had to apologise today for suggesting the LibDems aim to decapitate Boris
    And very graciously apologized for his language accepting that the term ‘decapitation’ whilst commonly used amongst political nerds was inappropriate.
    I agree, but was setting out the context of why threatening someone that Parliament would treat someone like they treated Charles I would jump to that conclusion...

    Not just because they have a “vile Leaver mind”
    Me thinks TSE was tongue in cheek
    His original post was. His response was unpleasant and nasty
    It was directed at someone who has repeatedly said the murder of Jo Cox was a false flag operation.
    Sure - LuckyGuy is a crank (at best) and should be ignored.

    But the rhetoric on both sides should be toned down

    We need to heal as a polity and a nation
    The healing process can only start when people who ought to have known better admit their mistakes.
    Yes, when John Major admits he was wrong on Maastricht we can start the process.
    Indeed, he should never have imposed those opt-outs that left us bitter and marginalised.
    Yes, then put it to a referendum.
    Agreed. It would have been Maggie's Last Stand, and UK politics would have been completely different over the last 20 years.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,847

    Jonathan said:

    How long before someone in the Johnson camp comes out with the line 'Let Boris be Boris'?

    He likes buses. We know that. Some with big fat lies on them.
    I cannot understand why he brought buses up again as everyone associates that with his lies about Brexit on the side of buses. I would like to see these model buses and paintings he has been doing as well, just to prove he was not telling yet more porkies!

    Boris Johnson comes across very badly IMO. Why on earth anyone would want Boris as PM is beyond me.
    It is a core vote strategy and shows he is only interested in squeaking thru to be PM, not campaigning to the wider public. We are not going to have an autumn election and we are therefore not leaving in October (barring strange events).
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772
    Dunno, something crazy like his actual job as a trade minister?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,868

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    nichomar said:

    Charles said:

    nichomar said:

    Charles said:

    Well Boris as a historian knows what happened to Charles I when he tried this democratic obscenity.

    I trust this post will be roundly condemned by many of your fellow remainers who rightly deplore the undercurrent of violence that is creeping into political discourse.

    Or not.
    Don't be a snowflake comrade.

    I was talking about Boris, like Charles I, being removed from power.

    It was your vile Leaver mind that jumped to execution.
    Although a prominent Remainer, Sir Ed Davey, had to apologise today for suggesting the LibDems aim to decapitate Boris
    And very graciously apologized for his language accepting that the term ‘decapitation’ whilst commonly used amongst political nerds was inappropriate.
    I agree, but was setting out the context of why threatening someone that Parliament would treat someone like they treated Charles I would jump to that conclusion...

    Not just because they have a “vile Leaver mind”
    Me thinks TSE was tongue in cheek
    His original post was. His response was unpleasant and nasty
    It was directed at someone who has repeatedly said the murder of Jo Cox was a false flag operation.
    Sure - LuckyGuy is a crank (at best) and should be ignored.

    But the rhetoric on both sides should be toned down

    We need to heal as a polity and a nation
    The healing process can only start when people who ought to have known better admit their mistakes.
    Yes, when John Major admits he was wrong on Maastricht we can start the process.
    Indeed, he should never have imposed those opt-outs that left us bitter and marginalised.
    Yes, then put it to a referendum.
    Agreed. It would have been Maggie's Last Stand, and UK politics would have been completely different over the last 20 years.
    As if people would have voted to join the Euro, or Maggie would have been in favour of it. Delusional.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,720
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    nichomar said:

    Charles said:

    nichomar said:

    Charles said:

    Well Boris as a historian knows what happened to Charles I when he tried this democratic obscenity.

    I trust this post will be roundly condemned by many of your fellow remainers who rightly deplore the undercurrent of violence that is creeping into political discourse.

    Or not.
    Don't be a snowflake comrade.

    I was talking about Boris, like Charles I, being removed from power.

    It was your vile Leaver mind that jumped to execution.
    Although a prominent Remainer, Sir Ed Davey, had to apologise today for suggesting the LibDems aim to decapitate Boris
    And very graciously apologized for his language accepting that the term ‘decapitation’ whilst commonly used amongst political nerds was inappropriate.
    I agree, but was setting out the context of why threatening someone that Parliament would treat someone like they treated Charles I would jump to that conclusion...

    Not just because they have a “vile Leaver mind”
    Me thinks TSE was tongue in cheek
    His original post was. His response was unpleasant and nasty
    It was directed at someone who has repeatedly said the murder of Jo Cox was a false flag operation.
    Sure - LuckyGuy is a crank (at best) and should be ignored.

    But the rhetoric on both sides should be toned down

    We need to heal as a polity and a nation
    The healing process can only start when people who ought to have known better admit their mistakes.
    Yes, when John Major admits he was wrong on Maastricht we can start the process.
    Indeed, he should never have imposed those opt-outs that left us bitter and marginalised.
    Yes, then put it to a referendum.
    Agreed. It would have been Maggie's Last Stand, and UK politics would have been completely different over the last 20 years.
    As if people would have voted to join the Euro, or Maggie would have been in favour of it. Delusional.
    I'm suggesting Maggie would have inevitably become the face of No, and would have lost.
  • The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979

    Jonathan said:

    How long before someone in the Johnson camp comes out with the line 'Let Boris be Boris'?

    He likes buses. We know that. Some with big fat lies on them.
    I cannot understand why he brought buses up again as everyone associates that with his lies about Brexit o4n the side of buses. I would like to see these model buses and paintings he has been doing as well, just to prove he was not telling yet more porkies!

    Boris Johnson comes across very badly IMO. Why on earth anyone would want Boris as PM is beyond me.
    It is a core vote strategy and shows he is only interested in squeaking thru to be PM, not campaigning to the wider public. We are not going to have an autumn election and we are therefore not leaving in October (barring strange events).
    I think he is being badly advised them. He is not going to rebuild trust by saying one thing and doing the reverse.
  • Andy_CookeAndy_Cooke Posts: 5,005
    Charles said:

    Jonathan said:

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    nichomar said:

    Charles said:

    nichomar said:

    Charles said:

    Well Boris as a historian knows what happened to Charles I when he tried this democratic obscenity.

    I trust this post will be roundly condemned by many of your fellow remainers who rightly deplore the undercurrent of violence that is creeping into political discourse.

    Or not.
    Don't be a snowflake comrade.

    I was talking about Boris, like Charles I, being removed from power.

    It was your vile Leaver mind that jumped to execution.
    Although a prominent Remainer, Sir Ed Davey, had to apologise today for suggesting the LibDems aim to decapitate Boris
    And very graciously apologized for his language accepting that the term ‘decapitation’ whilst commonly used amongst political nerds was inappropriate.
    I agree, but was setting out the context of why threatening someone that Parliament would treat someone like they treated Charles I would jump to that conclusion...

    Not just because they have a “vile Leaver mind”
    Me thinks TSE was tongue in cheek
    His original post was. His response was unpleasant and nasty
    It was directed at someone who has repeatedly said the murder of Jo Cox was a false flag operation.
    Sure - LuckyGuy is a crank (at best) and should be ignored.

    But the rhetoric on both sides should be toned down

    We need to heal as a polity and a nation
    The healing process can only start when people who ought to have known better admit their mistakes.
    I agree: the likes of Grieve and Lee - as well as the nut jobs in the ERG - must accept that we need to leave in a firm which is broadly acceptable to most.
    Hmmmm. Bit late to try to win support of “traitors”, ”saboteurs” and “citizens of nowhere”.
    None of those terms should be used although the last was mischievously and deliberately misinterpreted
    It is remarkable how many people thought "those who think themselves citizens of the world" could refer to those who think themselves cosmopolitans.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    There's not always something much behind an action. It may well just be as it appears - he knows that plan will not work and will not pretend it will.

    Which given even the Mayites did plenty of pretending things would work, is a pretty strong indication of how much he believes that plan will not work.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163

    Katya says EU leaders don't think either man would throw away their premiership after two months by trying to force No Deal on MPs.

    Perhaps they are a better judge of Boris than his own cultish supporters.

    Perhaps, but the EU leaders are not perfect prognosticators by any means, nor do people always react rationally in a time of crisis. One, or both, men, might find their premiership being taken from them if they don't go for no deal and cannot come up with anything else.

    In such a situation they might crave the false agency of choosing to throw their premiership away (and hoping it works out) rather than be brought down from the other side for not getting us out.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,847

    Jonathan said:

    How long before someone in the Johnson camp comes out with the line 'Let Boris be Boris'?

    He likes buses. We know that. Some with big fat lies on them.
    I cannot understand why he brought buses up again as everyone associates that with his lies about Brexit o4n the side of buses. I would like to see these model buses and paintings he has been doing as well, just to prove he was not telling yet more porkies!

    Boris Johnson comes across very badly IMO. Why on earth anyone would want Boris as PM is beyond me.
    It is a core vote strategy and shows he is only interested in squeaking thru to be PM, not campaigning to the wider public. We are not going to have an autumn election and we are therefore not leaving in October (barring strange events).
    I think he is being badly advised them. He is not going to rebuild trust by saying one thing and doing the reverse.
    He is only interested in squeaking thru to be PM, not what happens afterwards. He is making his own decisions.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163

    HYUFD said:

    Roger said:

    I've never seen such unanimity on PB about the unsuitability of a politician for high office and particularly one from the right. Even Corbyn had his followers.

    Only because the vast majority of PBers are Remainers determined to stop Brexit and they are frightened of Boris as he might actually win a general election and deliver Brexit
    When Pulpstar (I think it was) did a survey of regular PB posters a few months ago I believe the scores came to 44 Remain voters against 56 Leave voters.

    Now, I am willing to believe a few erstwhile Leavers have seen the light since then but still the actual evidence hardly supports the suggestion that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers".
    Soft leavers count as remainers. And soft now includes people who are not willing to see no deal.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,683

    Dunno, something crazy like his actual job as a trade minister?
    Liam seems to be on something of a journey. We’ll make a Remainer of him yet!
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,847
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Roger said:

    I've never seen such unanimity on PB about the unsuitability of a politician for high office and particularly one from the right. Even Corbyn had his followers.

    Only because the vast majority of PBers are Remainers determined to stop Brexit and they are frightened of Boris as he might actually win a general election and deliver Brexit
    When Pulpstar (I think it was) did a survey of regular PB posters a few months ago I believe the scores came to 44 Remain voters against 56 Leave voters.

    Now, I am willing to believe a few erstwhile Leavers have seen the light since then but still the actual evidence hardly supports the suggestion that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers".
    Soft leavers count as remainers. And soft now includes people who are not willing to see no deal.
    Rory Stewart is apparently a hardcore remainer whilst explicitly ruling out revoke and second referendum, and promising to leave.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217

    HYUFD said:

    Roger said:

    I've never seen such unanimity on PB about the unsuitability of a politician for high office and particularly one from the right. Even Corbyn had his followers.

    Only because the vast majority of PBers are Remainers determined to stop Brexit and they are frightened of Boris as he might actually win a general election and deliver Brexit
    When Pulpstar (I think it was) did a survey of regular PB posters a few months ago I believe the scores came to 44 Remain voters against 56 Leave voters.

    Now, I am willing to believe a few erstwhile Leavers have seen the light since then but still the actual evidence hardly supports the suggestion that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers".
    Was a bit of fun but yes there was an evenish split of leavers and remainers.
  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092
    HYUFD said:

    Roger said:

    I've never seen such unanimity on PB about the unsuitability of a politician for high office and particularly one from the right. Even Corbyn had his followers.

    Only because the vast majority of PBers are Remainers determined to stop Brexit and they are frightened of Boris as he might actually win a general election and deliver Brexit
    Which party DO you think this "vast majority" wants to win? Corbyn's Labour? TBP?
  • _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,810

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    nichomar said:

    Charles said:

    nichomar said:

    Charles said:

    Well Boris as a historian knows what happened to Charles I when he tried this democratic obscenity.

    I trust this post will be roundly condemned by many of your fellow remainers who rightly deplore the undercurrent of violence that is creeping into political discourse.

    Or not.
    Don't be a snowflake comrade.

    I was talking about Boris, like Charles I, being removed from power.

    It was your vile Leaver mind that jumped to execution.
    Although a prominent Remainer, Sir Ed Davey, had to apologise today for suggesting the LibDems aim to decapitate Boris
    And very graciously apologized for his language accepting that the term ‘decapitation’ whilst commonly used amongst political nerds was inappropriate.
    I agree, but was setting out the context of why threatening someone that Parliament would treat someone like they treated Charles I would jump to that conclusion...

    Not just because they have a “vile Leaver mind”
    Me thinks TSE was tongue in cheek
    His original post was. His response was unpleasant and nasty
    It was directed at someone who has repeatedly said the murder of Jo Cox was a false flag operation.
    Sure - LuckyGuy is a crank (at best) and should be ignored.

    But the rhetoric on both sides should be toned down

    We need to heal as a polity and a nation
    Actually, I'm very simply a Tory. I merely believe states (or rather elements within them) to be capable of greater wickedness than most here would be comfortable to live with. It's not something I choose to spend much time dwelling upon however, and I have great optimism and confidence in humankind and that everything will turn out fine in the end.
    Hmm, you have dwelt on it sufficiently to repeat the odious claim about the late Ms Cox several times on PB, with neither retraction nor regret.
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Is his way to say that if he is deselected he will stand anyway?



    https://twitter.com/peterkyle/status/1143619022640033792
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,617

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Roger said:

    I've never seen such unanimity on PB about the unsuitability of a politician for high office and particularly one from the right. Even Corbyn had his followers.

    Only because the vast majority of PBers are Remainers determined to stop Brexit and they are frightened of Boris as he might actually win a general election and deliver Brexit
    When Pulpstar (I think it was) did a survey of regular PB posters a few months ago I believe the scores came to 44 Remain voters against 56 Leave voters.

    Now, I am willing to believe a few erstwhile Leavers have seen the light since then but still the actual evidence hardly supports the suggestion that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers".
    Soft leavers count as remainers. And soft now includes people who are not willing to see no deal.
    Rory Stewart is apparently a hardcore remainer whilst explicitly ruling out revoke and second referendum, and promising to leave.
    And yet people here took him to their hearts - and were gutted when he didn't make the final two.....
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,683
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Roger said:

    I've never seen such unanimity on PB about the unsuitability of a politician for high office and particularly one from the right. Even Corbyn had his followers.

    Only because the vast majority of PBers are Remainers determined to stop Brexit and they are frightened of Boris as he might actually win a general election and deliver Brexit
    When Pulpstar (I think it was) did a survey of regular PB posters a few months ago I believe the scores came to 44 Remain voters against 56 Leave voters.

    Now, I am willing to believe a few erstwhile Leavers have seen the light since then but still the actual evidence hardly supports the suggestion that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers".
    Soft leavers count as remainers. And soft now includes people who are not willing to see no deal.
    How long before the Leave community splinters even further? I suspect the next true Leaver will only be someone who agrees with the forced deportation of all EU citizens. Slippery slope and all that.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Andrew Mitchell a psychologist’s dream on Newsnight. All the ticks and nervous pauses at the wrong moment. Bogus outrage, clenched knuckles, public-schoolboy condescension, you name it.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,698
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Roger said:

    I've never seen such unanimity on PB about the unsuitability of a politician for high office and particularly one from the right. Even Corbyn had his followers.

    Only because the vast majority of PBers are Remainers determined to stop Brexit and they are frightened of Boris as he might actually win a general election and deliver Brexit
    When Pulpstar (I think it was) did a survey of regular PB posters a few months ago I believe the scores came to 44 Remain voters against 56 Leave voters.

    Now, I am willing to believe a few erstwhile Leavers have seen the light since then but still the actual evidence hardly supports the suggestion that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers".
    Soft leavers count as remainers. And soft now includes people who are not willing to see no deal.
    I should have just told HYUFD that a recent poll of PBers proved that the PBLeave party was going to win a landslide majority in the next GE.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Roger said:

    I've never seen such unanimity on PB about the unsuitability of a politician for high office and particularly one from the right. Even Corbyn had his followers.

    Only because the vast majority of PBers are Remainers determined to stop Brexit and they are frightened of Boris as he might actually win a general election and deliver Brexit
    When Pulpstar (I think it was) did a survey of regular PB posters a few months ago I believe the scores came to 44 Remain voters against 56 Leave voters.

    Now, I am willing to believe a few erstwhile Leavers have seen the light since then but still the actual evidence hardly supports the suggestion that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers".
    Soft leavers count as remainers. And soft now includes people who are not willing to see no deal.
    How long before the Leave community splinters even further? I suspect the next true Leaver will only be someone who agrees with the forced deportation of all EU citizens. Slippery slope and all that.
    I think that's the plot of the video game 'Not tonight'.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163

    Is his way to say that if he is deselected he will stand anyway?

    https://twitter.com/peterkyle/status/1143619022640033792

    Maybe? It seems an odd way of merely appearing keen to be re-selected.
  • The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979

    Andrew Mitchell a psychologist’s dream on Newsnight. All the ticks and nervous pauses at the wrong moment. Bogus outrage, clenched knuckles, public-schoolboy condescension, you name it.

    I thought he came across very badly. Trying to not talk about planted pictures shows a campaign born of deception. Do they think we dont notice these things?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156

    HYUFD said:

    Roger said:

    I've never seen such unanimity on PB about the unsuitability of a politician for high office and particularly one from the right. Even Corbyn had his followers.

    Only because the vast majority of PBers are Remainers determined to stop Brexit and they are frightened of Boris as he might actually win a general election and deliver Brexit
    Which party DO you think this "vast majority" wants to win? Corbyn's Labour? TBP?
    The LDs of course
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163

    Dunno, something crazy like his actual job as a trade minister?
    Liam seems to be on something of a journey. We’ll make a Remainer of him yet!
    Die hard leavers are the best people to convince one time leavers to become remainers. Die hard remainers are the best people to convince one time remainers to become leavers.

    And of course, while the BoJos of the world who said the WA was worse than remaining were full of it and voted for it in the end (in fairness I don't recall if he personally actually implied that, but some of the ERG sure did), there are holdouts who believe it, and thus are technically remainers by default if they cannot get no deal.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Why is Malcolm Rifkind still a thing?

    It is like asking the disgraced Linford Christie to commentate the Olympic Games.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156

    HYUFD said:

    Roger said:

    I've never seen such unanimity on PB about the unsuitability of a politician for high office and particularly one from the right. Even Corbyn had his followers.

    Only because the vast majority of PBers are Remainers determined to stop Brexit and they are frightened of Boris as he might actually win a general election and deliver Brexit
    When Pulpstar (I think it was) did a survey of regular PB posters a few months ago I believe the scores came to 44 Remain voters against 56 Leave voters.

    Now, I am willing to believe a few erstwhile Leavers have seen the light since then but still the actual evidence hardly supports the suggestion that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers".
    The last full survey of PBers I saw in 2015 was Tories and Labour about the national average but an over representation of LDs and an under representation of UKIP backers
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,060
    Boris will still probably win the leadership, but if he runs a general election campaign like the way he's acting now, even someone like Corbyn could beat him.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,675
    CatMan said:

    Boris will still probably win the leadership, but if he runs a general election campaign like the way he's acting now, even someone like Corbyn could beat him.

    That’s harsh. His homemade battle bus will win over the people.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146

    Andrew Mitchell a psychologist’s dream on Newsnight. All the ticks and nervous pauses at the wrong moment. Bogus outrage, clenched knuckles, public-schoolboy condescension, you name it.

    I thought he came across very badly. Trying to not talk about planted pictures shows a campaign born of deception. Do they think we dont notice these things?
    Empathy and sharp antennae are not really a Tory thing.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,683
    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Roger said:

    I've never seen such unanimity on PB about the unsuitability of a politician for high office and particularly one from the right. Even Corbyn had his followers.

    Only because the vast majority of PBers are Remainers determined to stop Brexit and they are frightened of Boris as he might actually win a general election and deliver Brexit
    When Pulpstar (I think it was) did a survey of regular PB posters a few months ago I believe the scores came to 44 Remain voters against 56 Leave voters.

    Now, I am willing to believe a few erstwhile Leavers have seen the light since then but still the actual evidence hardly supports the suggestion that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers".
    Soft leavers count as remainers. And soft now includes people who are not willing to see no deal.
    How long before the Leave community splinters even further? I suspect the next true Leaver will only be someone who agrees with the forced deportation of all EU citizens. Slippery slope and all that.
    I think that's the plot of the video game 'Not tonight'.
    Really? Clever that they made a game from it, though it is rather obvious.

  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,698
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Roger said:

    I've never seen such unanimity on PB about the unsuitability of a politician for high office and particularly one from the right. Even Corbyn had his followers.

    Only because the vast majority of PBers are Remainers determined to stop Brexit and they are frightened of Boris as he might actually win a general election and deliver Brexit
    When Pulpstar (I think it was) did a survey of regular PB posters a few months ago I believe the scores came to 44 Remain voters against 56 Leave voters.

    Now, I am willing to believe a few erstwhile Leavers have seen the light since then but still the actual evidence hardly supports the suggestion that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers".
    The last full survey of PBers I saw in 2015 was Tories and Labour about the national average but an over representation of LDs and an under representation of UKIP backers
    I take it you accept your earlier statement that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers" is rubbish?
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502
    Emma Barnett is a star.

    She impresses every time she hosts Newsnight .
  • The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    CatMan said:

    Boris will still probably win the leadership, but if he runs a general election campaign like the way he's acting now, even someone like Corbyn could beat him.

    It is a joke campaign!

    Like with Brexit Leavers, the Tories are not listening to the public. They will regret propelling Boris into No.10!
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,683

    Why is Malcolm Rifkind still a thing?

    It is like asking the disgraced Linford Christie to commentate the Olympic Games.

    Can you elaborate?

  • The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    Jonathan said:

    CatMan said:

    Boris will still probably win the leadership, but if he runs a general election campaign like the way he's acting now, even someone like Corbyn could beat him.

    That’s harsh. His homemade battle bus will win over the people.
    Banksy will probably paint a Red Bus onto Johnsons flat wall with some cutting jibe with Boris dressed as a clown.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156
    edited June 2019

    CatMan said:

    Boris will still probably win the leadership, but if he runs a general election campaign like the way he's acting now, even someone like Corbyn could beat him.

    It is a joke campaign!

    Like with Brexit Leavers, the Tories are not listening to the public. They will regret propelling Boris into No.10!
    The Tories are listening to the public, Boris still led Hunt with the public in the Sky Data poll yesterday outside of London and more narrowly Scotland
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156
    edited June 2019

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Roger said:

    I've never seen such unanimity on PB about the unsuitability of a politician for high office and particularly one from the right. Even Corbyn had his followers.

    Only because the vast majority of PBers are Remainers determined to stop Brexit and they are frightened of Boris as he might actually win a general election and deliver Brexit
    When Pulpstar (I think it was) did a survey of regular PB posters a few months ago I believe the scores came to 44 Remain voters against 56 Leave voters.

    Now, I am willing to believe a few erstwhile Leavers have seen the light since then but still the actual evidence hardly supports the suggestion that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers".
    The last full survey of PBers I saw in 2015 was Tories and Labour about the national average but an over representation of LDs and an under representation of UKIP backers
    I take it you accept your earlier statement that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers" is rubbish?
    No. The vast majority of PBers are not committed Leavers, Deal or No Deal
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,698
    edited June 2019
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Roger said:

    I've never seen such unanimity on PB about the unsuitability of a politician for high office and particularly one from the right. Even Corbyn had his followers.

    Only because the vast majority of PBers are Remainers determined to stop Brexit and they are frightened of Boris as he might actually win a general election and deliver Brexit
    When Pulpstar (I think it was) did a survey of regular PB posters a few months ago I believe the scores came to 44 Remain voters against 56 Leave voters.

    Now, I am willing to believe a few erstwhile Leavers have seen the light since then but still the actual evidence hardly supports the suggestion that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers".
    The last full survey of PBers I saw in 2015 was Tories and Labour about the national average but an over representation of LDs and an under representation of UKIP backers
    I take it you accept your earlier statement that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers" is rubbish?
    No. The vast majority of PBers are not committed Leavers, Deal or No Deal
    Have you one shred of evidence to support your claim?

    Edit: I see you have changed your claim - pathetic.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156
    CatMan said:

    Boris will still probably win the leadership, but if he runs a general election campaign like the way he's acting now, even someone like Corbyn could beat him.

    A leadership campaign where he is still in the lead you mean?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,884
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Roger said:

    I've never seen such unanimity on PB about the unsuitability of a politician for high office and particularly one from the right. Even Corbyn had his followers.

    Only because the vast majority of PBers are Remainers determined to stop Brexit and they are frightened of Boris as he might actually win a general election and deliver Brexit
    When Pulpstar (I think it was) did a survey of regular PB posters a few months ago I believe the scores came to 44 Remain voters against 56 Leave voters.

    Now, I am willing to believe a few erstwhile Leavers have seen the light since then but still the actual evidence hardly supports the suggestion that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers".
    The last full survey of PBers I saw in 2015 was Tories and Labour about the national average but an over representation of LDs and an under representation of UKIP backers
    I take it you accept your earlier statement that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers" is rubbish?
    No. The vast majority of PBers are not committed Leavers, Deal or No Deal
    HYUFD voted Remain
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,617
    Jonathan said:

    CatMan said:

    Boris will still probably win the leadership, but if he runs a general election campaign like the way he's acting now, even someone like Corbyn could beat him.

    That’s harsh. His homemade battle bus will win over the people.
    He can double it up as a soap box. Worked for Major....
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,698

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Roger said:

    I've never seen such unanimity on PB about the unsuitability of a politician for high office and particularly one from the right. Even Corbyn had his followers.

    Only because the vast majority of PBers are Remainers determined to stop Brexit and they are frightened of Boris as he might actually win a general election and deliver Brexit
    When Pulpstar (I think it was) did a survey of regular PB posters a few months ago I believe the scores came to 44 Remain voters against 56 Leave voters.

    Now, I am willing to believe a few erstwhile Leavers have seen the light since then but still the actual evidence hardly supports the suggestion that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers".
    The last full survey of PBers I saw in 2015 was Tories and Labour about the national average but an over representation of LDs and an under representation of UKIP backers
    I take it you accept your earlier statement that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers" is rubbish?
    No. The vast majority of PBers are not committed Leavers, Deal or No Deal
    HYUFD voted Remain
    Yes I know, he's one of the 44 Remainers from (Pulpstar's?) list.

    You're listed on the Leave side Sunil - shocking! :wink:
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,060
    HYUFD said:

    CatMan said:

    Boris will still probably win the leadership, but if he runs a general election campaign like the way he's acting now, even someone like Corbyn could beat him.

    A leadership campaign where he is still in the lead you mean?
    I'm sure most Tory members still love him, no matter what he does. I don't know whether the rest of the voting public would be so forgiving.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,698
    edited June 2019
    When do/did the Tory leadership ballot papers get issued to the members and when do they have to be returned by?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,733
    Be fair on the bloke, he has been sleeping in his office for 4 nights...
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Roger said:

    I've never seen such unanimity on PB about the unsuitability of a politician for high office and particularly one from the right. Even Corbyn had his followers.

    Only because the vast majority of PBers are Remainers determined to stop Brexit and they are frightened of Boris as he might actually win a general election and deliver Brexit
    When Pulpstar (I think it was) did a survey of regular PB posters a few months ago I believe the scores came to 44 Remain voters against 56 Leave voters.

    Now, I am willing to believe a few erstwhile Leavers have seen the light since then but still the actual evidence hardly supports the suggestion that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers".
    The last full survey of PBers I saw in 2015 was Tories and Labour about the national average but an over representation of LDs and an under representation of UKIP backers
    I take it you accept your earlier statement that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers" is rubbish?
    No. The vast majority of PBers are not committed Leavers, Deal or No Deal
    Haha. So now 'committed' leavers are the only ones who count. Shameless goalpost moving.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156
    edited June 2019
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Roger said:

    I've never seen such unanimity on PB about the unsuitability of a politician for high office and particularly one from the right. Even Corbyn had his followers.

    Only because the vast majority of PBers are Remainers determined to stop Brexit and they are frightened of Boris as he might actually win a general election and deliver Brexit
    When Pulpstar (I think it was) did a survey of regular PB posters a few months ago I believe the scores came to 44 Remain voters against 56 Leave voters.

    Now, I am willing to believe a few erstwhile Leavers have seen the light since then but still the actual evidence hardly supports the suggestion that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers".
    The last full survey of PBers I saw in 2015 was Tories and Labour about the national average but an over representation of LDs and an under representation of UKIP backers
    I take it you accept your earlier statement that the "vast majority of PBers are Remainers" is rubbish?
    No. The vast majority of PBers are not committed Leavers, Deal or No Deal
    Haha. So now 'committed' leavers are the only ones who count. Shameless goalpost moving.
    By definition if you are not committed to Leave even with No Deal you are willing to Remain
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156
    edited June 2019
    CatMan said:

    HYUFD said:

    CatMan said:

    Boris will still probably win the leadership, but if he runs a general election campaign like the way he's acting now, even someone like Corbyn could beat him.

    A leadership campaign where he is still in the lead you mean?
    I'm sure most Tory members still love him, no matter what he does. I don't know whether the rest of the voting public would be so forgiving.
    The voting public still had Boris ahead of Hunt with Sky's poll yesterday and not one recent poll has had a Boris led Tory Party behind Corbyn Labour in voteshare
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