Having watched Thor 2 last night, Thor ended up on the tube, at Charing Cross, and he asked a passenger how far was it to Greenwich, and the lady replied with about 3 stops.
It just seemed wrong.
This may have been my geekiest post on PB ever.
Via National Rail it's close enough:
Waterloo Ost London Bridge Deptford
Thanks, this was definitely on the tube.
Naughty writers and producers with their inaccurate depiction of the British tube and train service.
The film itself was rather awesome.
Given our, ah, "creative" disagreements re. Star Trek, I'll treat that endorsement with caution
"And with such a big increase in capacity – with between 3,000 and 4,000 seats available EVERY HOUR between both London and Birmingham and London and Manchester, compared with, at best, 1,500 now – it is likely that some very attractive fares will be on offer . . . in just the same way that airlines were able to cut fares with the introduction of high-capacity wide-bodied jets that raised seat numbers substantially more than operating costs.
"It is often overlooked – perhaps not even realised by some – that one of the reasons that train fares are sometimes so high (and complained of) in Britain is because capacity is limited and ticket prices are set at rates to reduce demand while maximising revenue. But with much greater capacity, the law of supply and demand means prices can come down."
There are actually 8 tracks through Wembley Park (two Chiltern sans platforms, four Metropolitan platforms and two Jubilee line platforms).
Marylebone is thoroughly underused, there are currently only two trains per hour all the way to Birmingham. Places like Sudbury Hill and South Ruislip get only one train an hour. And why stop there? You could conceivably connect to Crossrail to provide through trains, in fact Crossrail originally was supposed to have a branch connecting to the Aylesbury line.
Yep to the lines, but the capacity and speed problems still exist on that line.
As for Marylebone. From memory, there is not much room for expansion - new platforms were built there recently to cope with possible increased services.
There's a bigger problem. The new trains are upwards of 400 metres long, much longer than existing trains (witness the St Pancras HS1 trainshed extension). Marylebone's platforms are a maximum of around 240 metres (only 2 faces), with little prospect of extension due to surrounding buildings and curves.
A better alternative would be to link the route to the GC/GW joint 1906 Chiltern line and take a HS route into the Paddington environs (Old Oak Common?) But that has its own problems ...
Having said that, altering Euston for HS2 is going to be massively costly as well.
I've never heard of the Crossrail - GC links - do you have any further info?
The plan is shown as a dotted line in my 1998 copy of Baker. Notable by its absence from the 2010 edition.
The HS1 trains out to Kent are maximum 12 cars of standard 20m, making 240m. Although Eurostars are much, much longer, natch.
Having watched Thor 2 last night, Thor ended up on the tube, at Charing Cross, and he asked a passenger how far was it to Greenwich, and the lady replied with about 3 stops.
It just seemed wrong.
This may have been my geekiest post on PB ever.
Via National Rail it's close enough:
Waterloo Ost London Bridge Deptford
Thanks, this was definitely on the tube.
Naughty writers and producers with their inaccurate depiction of the British tube and train service.
The film itself was rather awesome.
Given our, ah, "creative" disagreements re. Star Trek, I'll treat that endorsement with caution
Did you like The Avengers, then you're going to love this.
Plus this film has Natalie Portman in it, I'd do horrible unforgivable things for a chance to swing my hammer at her.
Although I'm developing a man crush on Tom Hiddleston
Having watched Thor 2 last night, Thor ended up on the tube, at Charing Cross, and he asked a passenger how far was it to Greenwich, and the lady replied with about 3 stops.
It just seemed wrong.
This may have been my geekiest post on PB ever.
I managed to correct SeanT on an underground error in one of Tom Knox's plots (he had a character taking a tube from Barbican to Angel). This remains one of my pb highpoints.
The Jubilee line does not stop at Charing Cross any more (and doesn't go to Greenwich at all). Waterloo, the nearest stop, is 6 stops from North Greenwich by tube.
By train, the journey from Greenwich to Charing Cross can indeed be only three stops - London Bridge, Waterloo East and Charing Cross. But that is only on fast trains. Some also stop at Deptford.
Having watched Thor 2 last night, Thor ended up on the tube, at Charing Cross, and he asked a passenger how far was it to Greenwich, and the lady replied with about 3 stops.
It just seemed wrong.
This may have been my geekiest post on PB ever.
Via National Rail it's close enough:
Waterloo Ost London Bridge Deptford
Thanks, this was definitely on the tube.
Naughty writers and producers with their inaccurate depiction of the British tube and train service.
The film itself was rather awesome.
Given our, ah, "creative" disagreements re. Star Trek, I'll treat that endorsement with caution
Did you like The Avengers, then you're going to love this.
Plus this film has Natalie Portman in it, I'd do horrible unforgivable things for a chance to swing my hammer at her.
Although I'm developing a man crush on Tom Hiddleston
Must admit not seen Avengers yet. Portman looked OK in the Star Wars prequels and V for Vendetta.
Having watched Thor 2 last night, Thor ended up on the tube, at Charing Cross, and he asked a passenger how far was it to Greenwich, and the lady replied with about 3 stops.
It just seemed wrong.
This may have been my geekiest post on PB ever.
I managed to correct SeanT on an underground error in one of Tom Knox's plots (he had a character taking a tube from Barbican to Angel). This remains one of my pb highpoints.
The Jubilee line does not stop at Charing Cross any more (and doesn't go to Greenwich at all). Waterloo, the nearest stop, is 6 stops from North Greenwich by tube.
By train, the journey from Greenwich to Charing Cross can indeed be only three stops - London Bridge, Waterloo East and Charing Cross. But that is only on fast trains. Some also stop at Deptford.
Our highpoints are quite sad aren't they?
Trying to out-sad me, antifrank?
By Northern/Central/DLR (possibly fastest non-National Rail route):
Charing Cross Leicester Square Tottenham Court Road (change for Central line) Holborn Chancery Lane St Paul Bank (change for DLR to Lewisham) Shadwell Limehouse Westferry West India Quay (sometimes skipped) Canary Wharf Heron Quays South Quay Crossharbour Mudchute Island Gardens Cutty Sark* Greenwich
*note that Cutty Sark is actually the stop for the maritime/tourist sites
Having watched Thor 2 last night, Thor ended up on the tube, at Charing Cross, and he asked a passenger how far was it to Greenwich, and the lady replied with about 3 stops.
It just seemed wrong.
This may have been my geekiest post on PB ever.
Via National Rail it's close enough:
Waterloo Ost London Bridge Deptford
Thanks, this was definitely on the tube.
Naughty writers and producers with their inaccurate depiction of the British tube and train service.
The film itself was rather awesome.
Given our, ah, "creative" disagreements re. Star Trek, I'll treat that endorsement with caution
Did you like The Avengers, then you're going to love this.
Plus this film has Natalie Portman in it, I'd do horrible unforgivable things for a chance to swing my hammer at her.
Although I'm developing a man crush on Tom Hiddleston
Must admit not seen Avengers yet. Portman looked OK in the Star Wars prequels and V for Vendetta.
An independent review panel commissioned an opinion poll following the Plebgate scandal and found 64% of police officers were dissatisfied with the organisation’s performance in representing them and 91%felt it had to change.
Telegraph - Police ethics 'fall well short', warns report " Nine out of 10 police officers in England and Wales believe the Police Federation, the staff association for frontline officers, must change in the wake of the Plebgate scandal, according to a new report.
An independent review of the Police Federation has warned the organisation has “fallen well short” on standards of behaviour and ethics, and that it “risks losing public confidence”. "
An independent review panel commissioned an opinion poll following the Plebgate scandal and found 64% of police officers were dissatisfied with the organisation’s performance in representing them and 91%felt it had to change.
The BBC will grab money from anyone, such is their need to pay the top executives more. One way they do it is by taking cash from the EU. Once they start where will it end?
Current polls suggest Labour on about 350 seats - the betting odds assume that the Tories will recover somewhat prior to the GE which is fair enough.
It doesn't mean either assumption is correct though .... all is still to play for.
Labour 350 can't see it - Labour 300 however...
I will take a considered guess for GE2015.
Labour 300
Conservative 280
Liberal Democrats 37
Others 33
If anyone does not agree, what are their projections. My guess is not based on current polls but what I think will happen.
One of the scenarios I've been toying with for a PB thread is this vote distribution
Con 33%
Lab 32%
LD 13%
UKIP 14%
Which gives a seat distribution according to Baxter
Con 280
Lab 311
LD 31
UKIP zero
We probably could do with that scenario actually happening, see how it shakes our political system up.
There's quite a few scenarios which lead to the Tories outpolling Labour, and ending up with less seats and UKIP outpolling the Lib Dems and ending up with zero seats.
By Northern/Central/DLR (possibly fastest non-National Rail route):
Charing Cross Leicester Square Tottenham Court Road (change for Central line) Holborn Chancery Lane St Paul Bank (change for DLR to Lewisham) Shadwell Limehouse Westferry West India Quay (sometimes skipped) Canary Wharf Heron Quays South Quay Crossharbour Mudchute Island Gardens Cutty Sark* Greenwich
*note that Cutty Sark is actually the stop for the maritime/tourist sites
Wouldn't
Charing Cross Embankment Waterloo (change to jubilee) Southwark London Bridge Bermondsey Canada Water Canary Wharf (change to DLR) Heron Quays South Quay Crossharbour Mudchute Island Gardens Cutty Sark* Greenwich
Be a bit quicker? Of course, the waterloo/Canary Wharf chenges are a bit of trek, but if it's Thor, shuldn't be a problem.
Full disclosure: I live in Greenwich, remember when they were filming Thor in the ORNC - there was a cool set with half buried cars that I guess had been chucked/hit with hammer. Almost as good as when they were filming Les Mis there.
If anyone does not agree, what are their projections. My guess is not based on current polls but what I think will happen.
Certainly that sort of outcome looks well within the range of what is possible (I think it's quite a big range).
Musing on your figures and the implications for individual seats: if you are right and the LibDems drop 20 seats, where will they go? There aren't many LibDem-held Labour targets, the SNP might snaffle a couple, but I'd hazard a guess that at least 10, perhaps more, of those 20 losses would have to be to the Conservatives. To get to your 280 Tory seats from the 2010 306, if we assume at least 10 gains from the LibDems, there would have to be 36 losses to Labour. On a uniform swing that would mean seats with up to around a 5% to 5.5% 2010 majority would fall to Labour - so seats like Kingswood, Erewash and City of Chester would be on a knife-edge, seats like Corby, Ipswich and Gloucester would be Labour gains, and seats like Keighley, Loughborough and Worcester might stay blue with small majorities.
That all sounds reasonably plausible, if the Tories improve a bit from now but don't do as well as 2010, but we shall see!
Just picked up the Standard - dire front page for the government, closing casualty units in London.
"The NHS is safe in our hands"
Why in your view is it bad to close them? Do you mean poor politics or poor health outcomes?
I think the point is it's bad press. If it's good policy is another question.
Which is why the Labour party will never be good for the country. They are too cowardly to do what is right in the face of what's popular. What focus groups well, determines what route will be followed.
By Northern/Central/DLR (possibly fastest non-National Rail route):
Charing Cross Leicester Square Tottenham Court Road (change for Central line) Holborn Chancery Lane St Paul Bank (change for DLR to Lewisham) Shadwell Limehouse Westferry West India Quay (sometimes skipped) Canary Wharf Heron Quays South Quay Crossharbour Mudchute Island Gardens Cutty Sark* Greenwich
*note that Cutty Sark is actually the stop for the maritime/tourist sites
Wouldn't
Charing Cross Embankment Waterloo (change to jubilee) Southwark London Bridge Bermondsey Canada Water Canary Wharf (change to DLR) Heron Quays South Quay Crossharbour Mudchute Island Gardens Cutty Sark* Greenwich
Be a bit quicker? Of course, the waterloo/Canary Wharf chenges are a bit of trek, but if it's Thor, shuldn't be a problem.
Full disclosure: I live in Greenwich, remember when they were filming Thor in the ORNC - there was a cool set with half buried cars that I guess had been chucked/hit with hammer. Almost as good as when they were filming Les Mis there.
A profit collar is a really really cr*p idea, by the way. Demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of business incentives. Effectively you'd get all the disadvantages of public ownership with none of the benefits.
Just picked up the Standard - dire front page for the government, closing casualty units in London.
"The NHS is safe in our hands"
Why in your view is it bad to close them? Do you mean poor politics or poor health outcomes?
I think the point is it's bad press. If it's good policy is another question.
Which is why the Labour party will never be good for the country. They are too cowardly to do what is right in the face of what's popular. What focus groups well, determines what route will be followed.
You do realise that the first act of Cameron and Lansley in 2010 was to stop the reconfiguration of health services in London?
I don't respond to self confessed lying trolls, don't bother replying to me again.
On This Week tomorrow night "Stanley Johnson, (father of Boris and Jo) will give his take on HS2. The Camden resident is opposed to the project and thinks it would be a vote loser for the Conservatives at the ballot box if the PM carries on supporting it".
By Northern/Central/DLR (possibly fastest non-National Rail route):
Charing Cross Leicester Square Tottenham Court Road (change for Central line) Holborn Chancery Lane St Paul Bank (change for DLR to Lewisham) Shadwell Limehouse Westferry West India Quay (sometimes skipped) Canary Wharf Heron Quays South Quay Crossharbour Mudchute Island Gardens Cutty Sark* Greenwich
*note that Cutty Sark is actually the stop for the maritime/tourist sites
Wouldn't
Charing Cross Embankment Waterloo (change to jubilee) Southwark London Bridge Bermondsey Canada Water Canary Wharf (change to DLR) Heron Quays South Quay Crossharbour Mudchute Island Gardens Cutty Sark* Greenwich
Be a bit quicker? Of course, the waterloo/Canary Wharf chenges are a bit of trek, but if it's Thor, shuldn't be a problem.
Full disclosure: I live in Greenwich, remember when they were filming Thor in the ORNC - there was a cool set with half buried cars that I guess had been chucked/hit with hammer. Almost as good as when they were filming Les Mis there.
This discussion is just crying out for someone to say 'Mornington Crescent'
Labour 644 Tories 1 LibDems 1 UKIP 1 Green 1 Nationalists 1 Northern Ireland 1
Just to be sure, is it SNP =1 or PC ? Otherwise, it looks OK. You are a bit optimistic about UKIP. I would say they will get fewer seats than the Tories.
By Northern/Central/DLR (possibly fastest non-National Rail route):
Charing Cross Leicester Square Tottenham Court Road (change for Central line) Holborn Chancery Lane St Paul Bank (change for DLR to Lewisham) Shadwell Limehouse Westferry West India Quay (sometimes skipped) Canary Wharf Heron Quays South Quay Crossharbour Mudchute Island Gardens Cutty Sark* Greenwich
*note that Cutty Sark is actually the stop for the maritime/tourist sites
Wouldn't
Charing Cross Embankment Waterloo (change to jubilee) Southwark London Bridge Bermondsey Canada Water Canary Wharf (change to DLR) Heron Quays South Quay Crossharbour Mudchute Island Gardens Cutty Sark* Greenwich
Be a bit quicker? Of course, the waterloo/Canary Wharf chenges are a bit of trek, but if it's Thor, shuldn't be a problem.
Full disclosure: I live in Greenwich, remember when they were filming Thor in the ORNC - there was a cool set with half buried cars that I guess had been chucked/hit with hammer. Almost as good as when they were filming Les Mis there.
This discussion is just crying out for someone to say 'Mornington Crescent'
:-)
You can't get to Mornington Crescent from there unless you claim an extra turn by jumping on the Heathrow Express and sweeping straight back into the West End to arrive at Paddington. Which outflanks Sunil's attempts to put you in Nidd.
Should anyone wish to challenge this I refer you to NF Stovold’s "Mornington Crescent: Rules and Origins" second edition. Rule 45 (b) (iii) has been amended to allow this move- as first used in the now infamous grudge game "Labowski versus Johnson" of 2003.
Labour 644 Tories 1 LibDems 1 UKIP 1 Green 1 Nationalists 1 Northern Ireland 1
A much truer picture emerges when this data goes through the MikeK crunching process: Labour 299 Tories 270 LibDems 18 UKIP 44 Green 0 Nationalists 11 Northern Ireland10
By Northern/Central/DLR (possibly fastest non-National Rail route):
Charing Cross Leicester Square Tottenham Court Road (change for Central line) Holborn Chancery Lane St Paul Bank (change for DLR to Lewisham) Shadwell Limehouse Westferry West India Quay (sometimes skipped) Canary Wharf Heron Quays South Quay Crossharbour Mudchute Island Gardens Cutty Sark* Greenwich
*note that Cutty Sark is actually the stop for the maritime/tourist sites
Wouldn't
Charing Cross Embankment Waterloo (change to jubilee) Southwark London Bridge Bermondsey Canada Water Canary Wharf (change to DLR) Heron Quays South Quay Crossharbour Mudchute Island Gardens Cutty Sark* Greenwich
Be a bit quicker? Of course, the waterloo/Canary Wharf chenges are a bit of trek, but if it's Thor, shuldn't be a problem.
Full disclosure: I live in Greenwich, remember when they were filming Thor in the ORNC - there was a cool set with half buried cars that I guess had been chucked/hit with hammer. Almost as good as when they were filming Les Mis there.
This discussion is just crying out for someone to say 'Mornington Crescent'
:-)
You can't get to Mornington Crescent from there unless you claim an extra turn by jumping on the Heathrow Express and sweeping straight back into the West End to arrive at Paddington. Which outflanks Sunil's attempts to put you in Nidd.
Should anyone wish to challenge this I refer you to NF Stovold’s "Mornington Crescent: Rules and Origins" second edition. Rule 45 (b) (iii) has been amended to allow this move- as first used in the now infamous grudge game "Labowski versus Johnson" of 2003.
I am sorry to have to disagree with you but you are forgetting the Roblozinski Amendment as set out in "Notes and Ephemera 27" in the December 2006 edition of Crescent Conundrums.. This quite clearly stated that when a Sunday or Bank Holiday service was in operation it was possible to use any properly certified TFL alternative means of transport - in this case including the Greenwich to Tower Bridge River Service - as a means of avoiding the potential "Nidd shunt".
Like Graham Garden so many times before me... I call Roblozinski.
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"And with such a big increase in capacity – with between 3,000 and 4,000 seats available EVERY HOUR between both London and Birmingham and London and Manchester, compared with, at best, 1,500 now – it is likely that some very attractive fares will be on offer . . . in just the same way that airlines were able to cut fares with the introduction of high-capacity wide-bodied jets that raised seat numbers substantially more than operating costs.
"It is often overlooked – perhaps not even realised by some – that one of the reasons that train fares are sometimes so high (and complained of) in Britain is because capacity is limited and ticket prices are set at rates to reduce demand while maximising revenue. But with much greater capacity, the law of supply and demand means prices can come down."
http://blog.railnews.co.uk/?p=173#more-173
The HS1 trains out to Kent are maximum 12 cars of standard 20m, making 240m. Although Eurostars are much, much longer, natch.
Plus this film has Natalie Portman in it, I'd do horrible unforgivable things for a chance to swing my hammer at her.
Although I'm developing a man crush on Tom Hiddleston
There are two post credit scenes.
One midway through the credits, one right at the end.
By Northern/Central/DLR (possibly fastest non-National Rail route):
Charing Cross
Leicester Square
Tottenham Court Road (change for Central line)
Holborn
Chancery Lane
St Paul
Bank (change for DLR to Lewisham)
Shadwell
Limehouse
Westferry
West India Quay (sometimes skipped)
Canary Wharf
Heron Quays
South Quay
Crossharbour
Mudchute
Island Gardens
Cutty Sark*
Greenwich
*note that Cutty Sark is actually the stop for the maritime/tourist sites
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Léon:_The_Professional
An independent review panel commissioned an opinion poll following the Plebgate scandal and found 64% of police officers were dissatisfied with the organisation’s performance in representing them and 91%felt it had to change.
That's just Blimey territory.
" Nine out of 10 police officers in England and Wales believe the Police Federation, the staff association for frontline officers, must change in the wake of the Plebgate scandal, according to a new report.
An independent review of the Police Federation has warned the organisation has “fallen well short” on standards of behaviour and ethics, and that it “risks losing public confidence”. "
Labour 300
Conservative 280
Liberal Democrats 37
Others 33
If anyone does not agree, what are their projections. My guess is not based on current polls but what I think will happen.
Con 33%
Lab 32%
LD 13%
UKIP 14%
Which gives a seat distribution according to Baxter
Con 280
Lab 311
LD 31
UKIP zero
One way they do it is by taking cash from the EU. Once they start where will it end?
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/299768/BBC-is-3m-Brussels-propaganda-arm
The shakeup could be a revolution of some sorts.
Charing Cross
Embankment
Waterloo (change to jubilee)
Southwark
London Bridge
Bermondsey
Canada Water
Canary Wharf (change to DLR)
Heron Quays
South Quay
Crossharbour
Mudchute
Island Gardens
Cutty Sark*
Greenwich
Be a bit quicker? Of course, the waterloo/Canary Wharf chenges are a bit of trek, but if it's Thor, shuldn't be a problem.
Full disclosure: I live in Greenwich, remember when they were filming Thor in the ORNC - there was a cool set with half buried cars that I guess had been chucked/hit with hammer. Almost as good as when they were filming Les Mis there.
Musing on your figures and the implications for individual seats: if you are right and the LibDems drop 20 seats, where will they go? There aren't many LibDem-held Labour targets, the SNP might snaffle a couple, but I'd hazard a guess that at least 10, perhaps more, of those 20 losses would have to be to the Conservatives. To get to your 280 Tory seats from the 2010 306, if we assume at least 10 gains from the LibDems, there would have to be 36 losses to Labour. On a uniform swing that would mean seats with up to around a 5% to 5.5% 2010 majority would fall to Labour - so seats like Kingswood, Erewash and City of Chester would be on a knife-edge, seats like Corby, Ipswich and Gloucester would be Labour gains, and seats like Keighley, Loughborough and Worcester might stay blue with small majorities.
That all sounds reasonably plausible, if the Tories improve a bit from now but don't do as well as 2010, but we shall see!
Tories 1
LibDems 1
UKIP 1
Green 1
Nationalists 1
Northern Ireland 1
The Camden resident is opposed to the project and thinks it would be a vote loser for the Conservatives at the ballot box if the PM carries on supporting it".
:-)
Should anyone wish to challenge this I refer you to NF Stovold’s "Mornington Crescent: Rules and Origins" second edition. Rule 45 (b) (iii) has been amended to allow this move- as first used in the now infamous grudge game "Labowski versus Johnson" of 2003.
Labour 299
Tories 270
LibDems 18
UKIP 44
Green 0
Nationalists 11
Northern Ireland10
Like Graham Garden so many times before me... I call Roblozinski.