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edited October 2013 in General

politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Questions on satisfaction with your own MP should become a regular part of polling

A key aspect of UK elections that seems to get sidelined is the nature of what we are actually doing when we vote at general elections. We are not, except in the EU parliament elections, voting for a specific party and we are not voting for a Prime Minister.

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  • WelshJonesWelshJones Posts: 66
    edited October 2013
    First first!
    Very few people contact their MP during any Parliament, let alone on a 'since-the-last-polling' basis.
    That being the case, I cannot see it advances the sum of human knowledge much.

    Now, it SHOULD be the case that you make your mind up to vote for a good constituency MP and decide to vote for someone else if you consider them less than good. In reality, you vote for the local franchise of Brand Cameron or Brand Milliband, or, if your regard both of these men as poor, you vote NOTA - ie for someone else.

    One of the few examples of 'getting rid of an idiot' was Lembit Opik in GE 2015, but there are countless examples of poor constituency MPs who have thumping majorities, GE after GE after GE.

    Also, any MP who is in the news a lot - generally senior Ministers, but others can figure prominently too - will have higher satisfaction ratings than one who is 'below the radar'.

    I'd suggest a good independent-thinking constituency MP would be what you want - not one with a good PR Dept to publicise every last thing s/he does.
  • Main news of the day is likely to centre on the start of the Brooks/Coulson (et al) trial which starts today.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    I'd agree with WelshJones. This is incredibly pointless as actual contact with ones MP is rare.

    I'm sure this silly idea would never have seen the light of day on PB if the example poll didn't show LibDem MPs "ahead" of the other options.
  • GeoffM said:

    I'm sure this silly idea would never have seen the light of day on PB if the example poll didn't show LibDem MPs "ahead" of the other options.

    Depressingly cynical, but, even more depressingly, perhaps true.

    However, please note:
    We need to be cautious here: once you cut the data in a normal-sized survey down to focus just on Lib Dem voters (of whom there are currently not many) and who have Lib Dem MPs (of whom there are even fewer), you’re soon down to very small numbers of respondents and large margins of error.
    http://www.totalpolitics.com/opinion/416802/polling-not-love-actually.thtml

  • I have tried and failed to find the actual data tables for this poll from the YouGov archive. Not uncommon I'm afraid as they seem to go out of their way to make it hard to find information.

    IMHO it should be standard PB policy that whenever poll findings are presented, it is simply common courtesy to provide the readers with a direct link to the detailed findings so that readers can do their own analysis and perhaps therefore have an opportunity to discuss or challenge the conclusions presented by the PB poster.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    @Stuart_Dickson A grateful doff of the fedora for the TotalPolitics link.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Help! Stormageddon is finally here. It's a bit windy, I would say about 25/30 miles per hour. A real damp squib after all the hype and hullaballoo. Taken my tin hat off and thrown the, by now mouldy sandwiches, in the bin. What a let-down.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,475
    Greetings all from a slightly damp London EC2. I can cheerfully report that there is not even a light drizzle but the clouds from my window are moving across the sky, though not exceptionally fast.

    No other signs of Stormaggeddon. Have I missed it?
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Cyclefree said:

    No other signs of Stormaggeddon. Have I missed it?

    I think that after Sharknado we were all subconsciously expecting a little more excitement.

  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,475
    tim said:

    Doubt you'll ever get enough detailed data to make this polling of much use, I'd like to see regionalised leader ratings polling, there might be a chance of that in practical terms.

    How's that bit of South East wind going, is it as scary as the gypsies stealing blonde children yet?

    The only wind down here is that emanating from the broadcasters, who seem to have gone mad.......

    I can see leaves being blown about. Fancy that - in autumn, as well......

  • I'm a bit surprised that this:

    http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/main-topics/general-news/respect-party-in-disarray-as-five-councillors-quit-in-row-with-mp-1-6186452

    ... has not (yet) affected this:

    Bradford West (Paddy Power)

    Labour 1/5
    Respect 3/1
    Con 16/1
    UKIP 100/1
    LD 100/1

    Or was George Galloway's own brand of toxic personal chemistry already "priced in"?
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    GeoffM said:

    Cyclefree said:

    No other signs of Stormaggeddon. Have I missed it?

    I think that after Sharknado we were all subconsciously expecting a little more excitement.

    LOL - I too was expecting a shark climbing a rope and saying RRARARRR
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    While the caveat about small base sizes Stuart Dickson highlights is well made, the Lib Dem effect does appear real - and a contrast with the polarised responses to Labour and in particular Conservative MPs.

    In other news, Falkirk rumbles on, post the ST revelations:

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/the-scotsman-cartoon-falkirk-1-3160904
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,260
    edited October 2013
    Sort of on topic, The Times say the next big expenses scandal will break in the next month.

    It will effect all parties including some senior MPs.

    Is to do with from whom MPs rent their offices from.

    A lot rent from their own local party/Unions.

    It isn't illegal or outside the rules and they must pay market rates, it has the potential of making the perception of politics looking sleazy.

    Bernard Jenkin says it should be stopped.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Benedict Brogan ‏@benedictbrogan
    My favourite headline so far: 'Peruvian government reopens its UFO investigation bureau' (@Guardian)

    They must have thought that the met offices big storm was really a huge flying saucer. LOL
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    Cyclefree said:

    tim said:

    Doubt you'll ever get enough detailed data to make this polling of much use, I'd like to see regionalised leader ratings polling, there might be a chance of that in practical terms.

    How's that bit of South East wind going, is it as scary as the gypsies stealing blonde children yet?

    The only wind down here is that emanating from the broadcasters, who seem to have gone mad.......

    I can see leaves being blown about. Fancy that - in autumn, as well......

    It's not over yet. Peak in London expected around 9am. Power lines down in south-west.. and my greenhouse has been blown away.

  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,192
    edited October 2013
    Like the vast majority of people I have never had any contact with my MP. Of those that do I suspect these days that, certainly in urban areas, many people MPs help don't even have the vote such as asylum seekers.

    An active MP tries to improve their profile by getting in the local press a lot. Since I rarely read the local press this rather passes me by too but I accept it might influence more people. Whether it influences them to be supportive or the reverse will presumably depend on the view they have taken. So if an MP is pressing for a bye pass around a town, for example, those who are opposed will think the worse of them.

    The idea that this polling shows anything particularly meaningful about the actual work of the MP therefore seems unlikely. More likely it shows that Lib Dems are still better (despite the Coalition) at getting cross party support, probably because they are thought to be more in the middle than one extreme or the other. It shows that there is still some strength in the idea of an anti tory coalition although I don't think it is anything like what it was in the Blair years. And it shows as a generality that people will be more vociferous in disliking institutions than individuals unless they are particularly annoying. Ho hum.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I can't see it being a scandal at all if as supposed its all based on fair market rents. I don't care a jot provided the tax payer isn't been fleeced.

    Sort of on topic, The Times say the next big expenses scandal will break in the next month.

    It will effect all parties including some senior MPs.

    Is to do with from whom MPs rent their offices from.

    A lot rent from their own local party/Unions.

    It isn't illegal or outside the rules and they must pay market rates, it has the potential of making the perception of politics looking sleazy.

    Bernard Jenkin says it should be stopped.

  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536

    Cyclefree said:

    tim said:

    Doubt you'll ever get enough detailed data to make this polling of much use, I'd like to see regionalised leader ratings polling, there might be a chance of that in practical terms.

    How's that bit of South East wind going, is it as scary as the gypsies stealing blonde children yet?

    The only wind down here is that emanating from the broadcasters, who seem to have gone mad.......

    I can see leaves being blown about. Fancy that - in autumn, as well......

    It's not over yet. Peak in London expected around 9am. Power lines down in south-west.. and my greenhouse has been blown away.

    It's pretty bad here. My garden fence is blowing like a silk ribbon. Touch and go whether it survives. Awful, stressful feeling, like that from the Mistral in France.
  • PolruanPolruan Posts: 2,083
    Morning all. Our part of Cornwall seems unscathed (I mean it rained a lot; that happens when there's a 'y' in the day) and it's a bit blowy in SW1.

    On topic, the polling is interesting, probably accurate, but not necessarily in anyway predictive. In the classic scenario of voting for a donkey in rosette, the key point is that the voters do generally notice it's a donkey; but they vote for it anyway, and then complain it's a donkey. Repeat every 5 years. My impression would be that an MP who cares about the constituency is seen as a nice luxury, but not something for which you'd risk having the 'wrong' PM. Witness the majority of the late Eric Forth, possibly the most self-avowedly indifferent to his constituents of any MP this century. And the difference between him and many others was probably his honesty about his view of his constituents, not the view itself.
  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536
    Cyclefree said:

    Greetings all from a slightly damp London EC2. I can cheerfully report that there is not even a light drizzle but the clouds from my window are moving across the sky, though not exceptionally fast.

    No other signs of Stormaggeddon. Have I missed it?

    You can probably bin the sarky tone - parts of London are getting plastered by this wind, dangerously so.
  • tim said:

    You think South East storm overkill is bad, wait until there's a London measles outbreak in the schools that the journalists send their unvaccinated children to.

    I can report that my little piece of the East Mids had zero Stormageddon calls. It's been a bit damp, and I've personally witnessed some dangerous leaves flying past the station double glazed windows.

    On my way home this morning, I heard Evan Davis on Radio 4 ask a Met Office bloke "Is there a particular London aspect to this storm?" The Met guy answered that London's streets would have an effect on the strength of the wind, protecting some areas, but intensifying the wind in others. Obviously, no other town or city's buildings could possibly affect such a serious storm as poor London is having to face.


  • Bobajob said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Greetings all from a slightly damp London EC2. I can cheerfully report that there is not even a light drizzle but the clouds from my window are moving across the sky, though not exceptionally fast.

    No other signs of Stormaggeddon. Have I missed it?

    You can probably bin the sarky tone - parts of London are getting plastered by this wind, dangerously so.
    Man up, you soft, southern shandy drinker.

  • While the caveat about small base sizes Stuart Dickson highlights is well made, the Lib Dem effect does appear real - and a contrast with the polarised responses to Labour and in particular Conservative MPs.

    In other news, Falkirk rumbles on, post the ST revelations:

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/the-scotsman-cartoon-falkirk-1-3160904

    It took them a while, but Opinium finally got round to publishing those tables. Your hope that the drop in "Others" might mean a drop in support for the SNP proves to be incorrect. Opinium, alone among pollsters, does not provide a geographical breakdown, but the overall SNP figure (3% of GB VI) is in line with usual findings.

    Interestingly, Opinium ask their education (free schools) questions of respondents in England-only. Good. I get sick and tired of YouGov asking England-only questions (eg. English NHS, English education system, English legal/penal system) of Scottish respondents. Totally idiotic from a supposedly qualified/certified research organisation.

    http://news.opinium.co.uk/sites/news.opinium.co.uk/files/vi_15_10_2013.pdf
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,847
    News flash

    First PB victim of the storm discovered! The plastic door protecting my gas meter is open, and the catch broken.

    Emergency services are on their way ...
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,671

    Cyclefree said:

    tim said:

    Doubt you'll ever get enough detailed data to make this polling of much use, I'd like to see regionalised leader ratings polling, there might be a chance of that in practical terms.

    How's that bit of South East wind going, is it as scary as the gypsies stealing blonde children yet?

    The only wind down here is that emanating from the broadcasters, who seem to have gone mad.......

    I can see leaves being blown about. Fancy that - in autumn, as well......

    It's not over yet. Peak in London expected around 9am. Power lines down in south-west.. and my greenhouse has been blown away.

    Sounds a bit like a summers day to normal people, what a state this country is in , everything cancelled because it will be a bit windy , what a pathetic bunch of woosies.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,854
    edited October 2013
    Just been outside to check on non-visible gates etc. All OK, but wind is noticeably strong. Very reminiscent of 1987 in that it's not cold at all. Not raining, either, although it clearly has been. In fact, at time of writing it's quite sunny.

    On topic, the only MP where I've ever lived who deserved to lose on grounds of general foolishness was Bob Spink, and even he got back in again the next time! In the seat he'd lost 4 years before.
  • tim said:

    tim said:

    You think South East storm overkill is bad, wait until there's a London measles outbreak in the schools that the journalists send their unvaccinated children to.

    I can report that my little piece of the East Mids had zero Stormageddon calls. It's been a bit damp, and I've personally witnessed some dangerous leaves flying past the station double glazed windows.

    On my way home this morning, I heard Evan Davis on Radio 4 ask a Met Office bloke "Is there a particular London aspect to this storm?" The Met guy answered that London's streets would have an effect on the strength of the wind, protecting some areas, but intensifying the wind in others. Obviously, no other town or city's buildings could possibly affect such a serious storm as poor London is having to face.


    I'd imagine quite a few of Londons immigrant populations are thinking "I though this was the city that took the blitz and fought Hitler, can I believe anything in that citizenship test anymore"?

    The England that took the Blitz and fought Hitler died a long, tormented, painful death a long time ago. It is just that nobody has been arsed to write the obituaries yet.

    Has any other great country ever died before without anybody even noticing?
  • PolruanPolruan Posts: 2,083
    tim said:

    tim said:

    You think South East storm overkill is bad, wait until there's a London measles outbreak in the schools that the journalists send their unvaccinated children to.

    I can report that my little piece of the East Mids had zero Stormageddon calls. It's been a bit damp, and I've personally witnessed some dangerous leaves flying past the station double glazed windows.

    On my way home this morning, I heard Evan Davis on Radio 4 ask a Met Office bloke "Is there a particular London aspect to this storm?" The Met guy answered that London's streets would have an effect on the strength of the wind, protecting some areas, but intensifying the wind in others. Obviously, no other town or city's buildings could possibly affect such a serious storm as poor London is having to face.


    I'd imagine quite a few of Londons immigrant populations are thinking "I though this was the city that took the blitz and fought Hitler, can I believe anything in that citizenship test anymore"?

    Or perhaps "I hope it doesn't scare my cat away, little Felix is the only thing standing between me and deportation."
  • WelshJonesWelshJones Posts: 66
    edited October 2013
    Lord Ashcroft tweets that he's a new 'Cameron's Caledonian Conundrum' poll out tomorrow.

    Register here: www.lordashcroftpolls.com

    Wild guess - losing Scotland from the Union would do Cameron personal harm, but be ideal for rUK Conservative majorities in the future
    and
    the more likely a Conservative victory in GE2015, the more likely 'Yes' is to win.
  • @TSEofPB:

    Us Northerners are made up of sterner stuff than those Southern shandy drinkers.

    http://t.co/5x25z0qdUn
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,098
    Blitz Spirit Lives On Flash:

    Central Line closed while "staff" try to remove fallen trees from the line. And all for £45k/yr.

    those guys...
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    We have survived ! Lights are on and actually I had a great sleep.

    I am sure many others may have had a difficult night - I hope not !
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @rosschawkins: Great spot by @PoliticalPics - crane above Cabinet Offic has fallen: http://t.co/hlIPX6KHn5
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    If anyone wants any cooking apples, about 300 dropped off my tree last night and there is a garland of them surrounding it
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    tim said:

    tim said:

    You think South East storm overkill is bad, wait until there's a London measles outbreak in the schools that the journalists send their unvaccinated children to.

    I can report that my little piece of the East Mids had zero Stormageddon calls. It's been a bit damp, and I've personally witnessed some dangerous leaves flying past the station double glazed windows.

    On my way home this morning, I heard Evan Davis on Radio 4 ask a Met Office bloke "Is there a particular London aspect to this storm?" The Met guy answered that London's streets would have an effect on the strength of the wind, protecting some areas, but intensifying the wind in others. Obviously, no other town or city's buildings could possibly affect such a serious storm as poor London is having to face.


    I'd imagine quite a few of Londons immigrant populations are thinking "I though this was the city that took the blitz and fought Hitler, can I believe anything in that citizenship test anymore"?

    The England that took the Blitz and fought Hitler died a long, tormented, painful death a long time ago. It is just that nobody has been arsed to write the obituaries yet.

    Has any other great country ever died before without anybody even noticing?
    Sorry ! Do not agree. Britain is still great. It is a different Britain. A post-colonial softer Britain. More at peace with its surroundings. I have tremendous faith in the young generation(s).
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,847
    surbiton said:

    tim said:

    tim said:

    You think South East storm overkill is bad, wait until there's a London measles outbreak in the schools that the journalists send their unvaccinated children to.

    I can report that my little piece of the East Mids had zero Stormageddon calls. It's been a bit damp, and I've personally witnessed some dangerous leaves flying past the station double glazed windows.

    On my way home this morning, I heard Evan Davis on Radio 4 ask a Met Office bloke "Is there a particular London aspect to this storm?" The Met guy answered that London's streets would have an effect on the strength of the wind, protecting some areas, but intensifying the wind in others. Obviously, no other town or city's buildings could possibly affect such a serious storm as poor London is having to face.


    I'd imagine quite a few of Londons immigrant populations are thinking "I though this was the city that took the blitz and fought Hitler, can I believe anything in that citizenship test anymore"?

    The England that took the Blitz and fought Hitler died a long, tormented, painful death a long time ago. It is just that nobody has been arsed to write the obituaries yet.

    Has any other great country ever died before without anybody even noticing?
    Sorry ! Do not agree. Britain is still great. It is a different Britain. A post-colonial softer Britain. More at peace with its surroundings. I have tremendous faith in the young generation(s).
    Utterly agree. I had a conversation a few months ago with a group of fifty- to eighty- year old women, and they were expressing despair at the younger generation. I took the diametrically opposite viewpoint. There are problems, yes, but that's always been the case.

    We need to improve education, get them fit for the workplace and they'll be fine. Just as most of us were.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    surbiton said:

    tim said:

    tim said:

    You think South East storm overkill is bad, wait until there's a London measles outbreak in the schools that the journalists send their unvaccinated children to.

    I can report that my little piece of the East Mids had zero Stormageddon calls. It's been a bit damp, and I've personally witnessed some dangerous leaves flying past the station double glazed windows.

    On my way home this morning, I heard Evan Davis on Radio 4 ask a Met Office bloke "Is there a particular London aspect to this storm?" The Met guy answered that London's streets would have an effect on the strength of the wind, protecting some areas, but intensifying the wind in others. Obviously, no other town or city's buildings could possibly affect such a serious storm as poor London is having to face.


    I'd imagine quite a few of Londons immigrant populations are thinking "I though this was the city that took the blitz and fought Hitler, can I believe anything in that citizenship test anymore"?

    The England that took the Blitz and fought Hitler died a long, tormented, painful death a long time ago. It is just that nobody has been arsed to write the obituaries yet.

    Has any other great country ever died before without anybody even noticing?
    Sorry ! Do not agree. Britain is still great. It is a different Britain. A post-colonial softer Britain. More at peace with its surroundings. I have tremendous faith in the young generation(s).
    Hear! Hear! Well said.

  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536

    tim said:

    You think South East storm overkill is bad, wait until there's a London measles outbreak in the schools that the journalists send their unvaccinated children to.

    I can report that my little piece of the East Mids had zero Stormageddon calls. It's been a bit damp, and I've personally witnessed some dangerous leaves flying past the station double glazed windows.

    On my way home this morning, I heard Evan Davis on Radio 4 ask a Met Office bloke "Is there a particular London aspect to this storm?" The Met guy answered that London's streets would have an effect on the strength of the wind, protecting some areas, but intensifying the wind in others. Obviously, no other town or city's buildings could possibly affect such a serious storm as poor London is having to face.


    tim said:

    You think South East storm overkill is bad, wait until there's a London measles outbreak in the schools that the journalists send their unvaccinated children to.

    I can report that my little piece of the East Mids had zero Stormageddon calls. It's been a bit damp, and I've personally witnessed some dangerous leaves flying past the station double glazed windows.

    On my way home this morning, I heard Evan Davis on Radio 4 ask a Met Office bloke "Is there a particular London aspect to this storm?" The Met guy answered that London's streets would have an effect on the strength of the wind, protecting some areas, but intensifying the wind in others. Obviously, no other town or city's buildings could possibly affect such a serious storm as poor London is having to face.


    That's probably because the track of the storm is through the south west and south east, and not through the East Midlands. Lots of people on here this morning who know the square root of eff all about meteorology - this will be a 25, possibly 50-year event in some parts of the UK. It's rather like when there's a significant snowstorm in London - feb 2 '09 dumped a foot on parts of the capital, that was a major weather event. The northerners were in denial as it was in London, yet London has received more snow than many northern cities in recent winters.
  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536

    @TSEofPB:

    Us Northerners are made up of sterner stuff than those Southern shandy drinkers.

    http://t.co/5x25z0qdUn

    News flash

    First PB victim of the storm discovered! The plastic door protecting my gas meter is open, and the catch broken.

    Emergency services are on their way ...

    Yawn. The track of the low wasn't through your area last time I looked. Another punter who clearly knows eff all about meteorology and geography!
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Wind map - which shows why Northerners are not getting 'stormageddon':

    http://www.xcweather.co.uk/GB/?Loc=GB
  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536

    Wind map - which shows why Northerners are not getting 'stormageddon':

    http://www.xcweather.co.uk/GB/?Loc=GB

    Thanks Carlotta - perhaps some of our friends in the north will digest that simple graphic before making any more fools of themselves this morning!
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,671
    surbiton said:

    tim said:

    tim said:

    You think South East storm overkill is bad, wait until there's a London measles outbreak in the schools that the journalists send their unvaccinated children to.

    I can report that my little piece of the East Mids had zero Stormageddon calls. It's been a bit damp, and I've personally witnessed some dangerous leaves flying past the station double glazed windows.

    On my way home this morning, I heard Evan Davis on Radio 4 ask a Met Office bloke "Is there a particular London aspect to this storm?" The Met guy answered that London's streets would have an effect on the strength of the wind, protecting some areas, but intensifying the wind in others. Obviously, no other town or city's buildings could possibly affect such a serious storm as poor London is having to face.


    I'd imagine quite a few of Londons immigrant populations are thinking "I though this was the city that took the blitz and fought Hitler, can I believe anything in that citizenship test anymore"?

    The England that took the Blitz and fought Hitler died a long, tormented, painful death a long time ago. It is just that nobody has been arsed to write the obituaries yet.

    Has any other great country ever died before without anybody even noticing?
    Sorry ! Do not agree. Britain is still great. It is a different Britain. A post-colonial softer Britain. More at peace with its surroundings. I have tremendous faith in the young generation(s).
    You are deluded, when we are down to people shaking in their beds due to a bit of wind, all public services cancelled and emergency services on the alert you know the southern softies have lost it big time and the country is f***ed.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,061
    Good morning, everyone.

    Quite glad not to have a particularly severe storm, although it was still raining (again) this morning.

    However, it's unlikely to rain in Abu Dhabi, where the antepenultimate race of the 2013 F1 season will take place this coming weekend. read my early discussion piece here: http://enormo-haddock.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/abu-dhabi-early-discussion.html
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    The number of constituents that correspond with, or have any face-to-face dealings with their local MP must be miniscule. One wonders on what basis an opinion can be formed one way or the other quite honestly.
  • Bobajob said:

    tim said:

    You think South East storm overkill is bad, wait until there's a London measles outbreak in the schools that the journalists send their unvaccinated children to.

    I can report that my little piece of the East Mids had zero Stormageddon calls. It's been a bit damp, and I've personally witnessed some dangerous leaves flying past the station double glazed windows.

    On my way home this morning, I heard Evan Davis on Radio 4 ask a Met Office bloke "Is there a particular London aspect to this storm?" The Met guy answered that London's streets would have an effect on the strength of the wind, protecting some areas, but intensifying the wind in others. Obviously, no other town or city's buildings could possibly affect such a serious storm as poor London is having to face.


    tim said:

    You think Sout

    That's probably because the track of the storm is through the south west and south east, and not through the East Midlands. Lots of people on here this morning who know the square root of eff all about meteorology - this will be a 25, possibly 50-year event in some parts of the UK. It's rather like when there's a significant snowstorm in London - feb 2 '09 dumped a foot on parts of the capital, that was a major weather event. The northerners were in denial as it was in London, yet London has received more snow than many northern cities in recent winters.
    I salute your indefatigability!
    Get over yourself. The south of the country is experiencing a bit of bad weather. Other parts of the country also suffer bad weather, but obviously not as harsh, or as much as you brave Londoners.


  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    I can provide the pBBC with a second source for Cyclefree's report on weather conditions in EC2. All is quiet here. What's the fuss about?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,671
    Bobajob said:

    tim said:

    You think South East storm overkill is bad, wait until there's a London measles outbreak in the schools that the journalists send their unvaccinated children to.

    I can report that my little piece of the East Mids had zero Stormageddon calls. It's been a bit damp, and I've personally witnessed some dangerous leaves flying past the station double glazed windows.

    On my way home this morning, I heard Evan Davis on Radio 4 ask a Met Office bloke "Is there a particular London aspect to this storm?" The Met guy answered that London's streets would have an effect on the strength of the wind, protecting some areas, but intensifying the wind in others. Obviously, no other town or city's buildings could possibly affect such a serious storm as poor London is having to face.


    tim said:

    You think South East storm overkill is bad, wait until there's a London measles outbreak in the schools that the journalists send their unvaccinated children to.


    That's probably because the track of the storm is through the south west and south east, and not through the East Midlands. Lots of people on here this morning who know the square root of eff all about meteorology - this will be a 25, possibly 50-year event in some parts of the UK. It's rather like when there's a significant snowstorm in London - feb 2 '09 dumped a foot on parts of the capital, that was a major weather event. The northerners were in denial as it was in London, yet London has received more snow than many northern cities in recent winters.
    I am fairly sure the wind and rain we had here yesterday , ie a normal autumn day for us was as bad as most of the country. As firestopper said , put something in your shandy and man up, bunch of pathetic woosies.
  • Bobajob. I'm an ex resident of London.

    I know the mentality.

    A weather warning has been issued for Yorkshire.

    But we keep calm and bugger on.
  • Bobajob said:

    Wind map - which shows why Northerners are not getting 'stormageddon':

    http://www.xcweather.co.uk/GB/?Loc=GB

    Thanks Carlotta - perhaps some of our friends in the north will digest that simple graphic before making any more fools of themselves this morning!
    We ain't the ones bleating because our badly erected and poorly maintained fences are "flapping like silk ribbons".
  • FinancierFinancier Posts: 3,916
    In West mid-wales, storm passed well to south of us, plenty of standing water on the roads - just like normal, except far less traffic at 7am.

    Re: MPs. My local one is a LD, nice chap bit too many woolly (lots of lost sheep here) LD theories and not enough practicalism. Does his best but a bit too pragamatic. His main opposition is Plaid and so should have no problem retaining his seat.

    Local Plaid AM is hopeless (as are most of the AMs) and rarely seen unless there is a photo-shoot opportunity. Nobody seems to know who the regional AMs are and where their local office is - believe they luxuriate in their anonymity. County council is even more amateur. The EU Assembly Members only seem to pop up every 4 years or so - nobody knows what they do all day for their largesse.
  • malcolmg said:

    surbiton said:

    tim said:

    tim said:

    You think South East storm overkill is bad, wait until there's a London measles outbreak in the schools that the journalists send their unvaccinated children to.

    I can report that my little piece of the East Mids had zero Stormageddon calls. It's been a bit damp, and I've personally witnessed some dangerous leaves flying past the station double glazed windows.

    On my way home this morning, I heard Evan Davis on Radio 4 ask a Met Office bloke "Is there a particular London aspect to this storm?" The Met guy answered that London's streets would have an effect on the strength of the wind, protecting some areas, but intensifying the wind in others. Obviously, no other town or city's buildings could possibly affect such a serious storm as poor London is having to face.


    I'd imagine quite a few of Londons immigrant populations are thinking "I though this was the city that took the blitz and fought Hitler, can I believe anything in that citizenship test anymore"?

    The England that took the Blitz and fought Hitler died a long, tormented, painful death a long time ago. It is just that nobody has been arsed to write the obituaries yet.

    Has any other great country ever died before without anybody even noticing?
    Sorry ! Do not agree. Britain is still great. It is a different Britain. A post-colonial softer Britain. More at peace with its surroundings. I have tremendous faith in the young generation(s).
    You are deluded, when we are down to people shaking in their beds due to a bit of wind, all public services cancelled and emergency services on the alert you know the southern softies have lost it big time and the country is f***ed.
    You wish.

    "During a long conversation, Donaldson gave great praise to Germany saying that England would be completely crushed by the early spring; the Government would leave the country and that England's position would be absolutely hopeless, as poverty and famine would be their only reward for declaring war on Germany. Scotland on the other hand had great possibilities."

  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    edited October 2013
    malcolmg said:

    surbiton said:

    tim said:

    tim said:

    You think South East storm overkill is bad, wait until there's a London measles outbreak in the schools that the journalists send their unvaccinated children to.

    I can report that my little piece of the East Mids had zero Stormageddon calls. It's been a bit damp, and I've personally witnessed some dangerous leaves flying past the station double glazed windows.

    On my way home this morning, I heard Evan Davis on Radio 4 ask a Met Office bloke "Is there a particular London aspect to this storm?" The Met guy answered that London's streets would have an effect on the strength of the wind, protecting some areas, but intensifying the wind in others. Obviously, no other town or city's buildings could possibly affect such a serious storm as poor London is having to face.


    I'd imagine quite a few of Londons immigrant populations are thinking "I though this was the city that took the blitz and fought Hitler, can I believe anything in that citizenship test anymore"?

    The England that took the Blitz and fought Hitler died a long, tormented, painful death a long time ago. It is just that nobody has been arsed to write the obituaries yet.

    Has any other great country ever died before without anybody even noticing?
    Sorry ! Do not agree. Britain is still great. It is a different Britain. A post-colonial softer Britain. More at peace with its surroundings. I have tremendous faith in the young generation(s).
    You are deluded, when we are down to people shaking in their beds due to a bit of wind, all public services cancelled and emergency services on the alert you know the southern softies have lost it big time and the country is f***ed.
    So are you suggesting that instead of calling ourselves Great Britain, it should henceforth be called F****d Britain ?

    There are clear advantages. One of them being that the wait for our Olympic contingent in the opening cermony will be shorter !
  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536

    Bobajob said:

    tim said:

    You think South East storm overkill is bad, wait until there's a London measles outbreak in the schools that the journalists send their unvaccinated children to.

    I can report that my little piece of the East Mids had zero Stormageddon calls. It's been a bit damp, and I've personally witnessed some dangerous leaves flying past the station double glazed windows.

    On my way home this morning, I heard Evan Davis on Radio 4 ask a Met Office bloke "Is there a particular London aspect to this storm?" The Met guy answered that London's streets would have an effect on the strength of the wind, protecting some areas, but intensifying the wind in others. Obviously, no other town or city's buildings could possibly affect such a serious storm as poor London is having to face.


    tim said:

    You think Sout

    That's probably because the track of the storm is through the south west and south east, and not through the East Midlands. Lots of people on here this morning who know the square root of eff all about meteorology - this will be a 25, possibly 50-year event in some parts of the UK. It's rather like when there's a significant snowstorm in London - feb 2 '09 dumped a foot on parts of the capital, that was a major weather event. The northerners were in denial as it was in London, yet London has received more snow than many northern cities in recent winters.
    I salute your indefatigability!
    Get over yourself. The south of the country is experiencing a bit of bad weather. Other parts of the country also suffer bad weather, but obviously not as harsh, or as much as you brave Londoners.


    Where did I write that nowhere else gets bad weather? Oh, I did not. I was merely making the point that this is a notably powerful storm and that London also gets its fair share of weather events. When there is a notable snowstorm in, say, Nottingham do Londoners pile on forums telling you East Midlanders to "get over yourself"? No, we don't. London-hating is one-way traffic, never more in evidence than today. Parochial and pathetic.
  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536
    malcolmg said:

    surbiton said:

    tim said:

    tim said:

    You think South East storm overkill is bad, wait until there's a London measles outbreak in the schools that the journalists send their unvaccinated children to.

    I can report that my little piece of the East Mids had zero Stormageddon calls. It's been a bit damp, and I've personally witnessed some dangerous leaves flying past the station double glazed windows.

    On my way home this morning, I heard Evan Davis on Radio 4 ask a Met Office bloke "Is there a particular London aspect to this storm?" The Met guy answered that London's streets would have an effect on the strength of the wind, protecting some areas, but intensifying the wind in others. Obviously, no other town or city's buildings could possibly affect such a serious storm as poor London is having to face.


    I'd imagine quite a few of Londons immigrant populations are thinking "I though this was the city that took the blitz and fought Hitler, can I believe anything in that citizenship test anymore"?

    The England that took the Blitz and fought Hitler died a long, tormented, painful death a long time ago. It is just that nobody has been arsed to write the obituaries yet.

    Has any other great country ever died before without anybody even noticing?
    Sorry ! Do not agree. Britain is still great. It is a different Britain. A post-colonial softer Britain. More at peace with its surroundings. I have tremendous faith in the young generation(s).
    You are deluded, when we are down to people shaking in their beds due to a bit of wind, all public services cancelled and emergency services on the alert you know the southern softies have lost it big time and the country is f***ed.
    You have described a situation which is not what is happening now. I am on a double decker bus headed for the Tube. Overground rail is down as it is covered in fallen trees etc. But many services are running.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,847
    Bobajob said:

    @TSEofPB:

    Us Northerners are made up of sterner stuff than those Southern shandy drinkers.

    http://t.co/5x25z0qdUn

    News flash

    First PB victim of the storm discovered! The plastic door protecting my gas meter is open, and the catch broken.

    Emergency services are on their way ...

    Yawn. The track of the low wasn't through your area last time I looked. Another punter who clearly knows eff all about meteorology and geography!
    It was a joke. But yes, the door was open, and the catch is broken. As it's not directly exposed to the wind, I'm assuming it was either some local kids (very unlikely), something to do with the wind (differential pressure?), or me or the gas man breaking the lock whilst closing it.

    According to the maps, where I live (South Cambridgeshire) was subject to some fairly high winds, although not as bad as further south.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Network rail have cleared 40 trees off tracks this morning.

    Better safe than sorry.

    Wont stol the serial whiners whining.
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    malcolmg said:

    Cyclefree said:

    tim said:

    Doubt you'll ever get enough detailed data to make this polling of much use, I'd like to see regionalised leader ratings polling, there might be a chance of that in practical terms.

    How's that bit of South East wind going, is it as scary as the gypsies stealing blonde children yet?

    The only wind down here is that emanating from the broadcasters, who seem to have gone mad.......

    I can see leaves being blown about. Fancy that - in autumn, as well......

    It's not over yet. Peak in London expected around 9am. Power lines down in south-west.. and my greenhouse has been blown away.

    Sounds a bit like a summers day to normal people, what a state this country is in , everything cancelled because it will be a bit windy , what a pathetic bunch of woosies.
    There has been a storm. It has caused some damage. Quite a lot of trees are down, disrupting transport, and some people have lost electricity. By the sounds of things everyone was well prepared, and is getting on with the job of clearing it all up, and people are getting on with life pretty much as normal.

    This is a success. Why all the carping?
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    RT ‏@RT_com 51m

    66 killed in day of carnage as 11 car bombs rip through Iraq http://on.rt.com/4w19ea

    Anup Kaphle ‏@AnupKaphle 1h

    With a series of car bombs, Iraq's instability has become worse: http://wapo.st/19M08rw 880 killed last month: pic.twitter.com/g5SCq3vEmB
  • On the windiest day in British history the windmills are currently producing all of 6% of our electricity requirements ie about the same as a single coal fired power station:

    http://www.bmreports.com/bsp/bsp_home.htm
  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536

    Bobajob said:

    @TSEofPB:

    Us Northerners are made up of sterner stuff than those Southern shandy drinkers.

    http://t.co/5x25z0qdUn

    News flash

    First PB victim of the storm discovered! The plastic door protecting my gas meter is open, and the catch broken.

    Emergency services are on their way ...

    Yawn. The track of the low wasn't through your area last time I looked. Another punter who clearly knows eff all about meteorology and geography!
    It was a joke. But yes, the door was open, and the catch is broken. As it's not directly exposed to the wind, I'm assuming it was either some local kids (very unlikely), something to do with the wind (differential pressure?), or me or the gas man breaking the lock whilst closing it.

    According to the maps, where I live (South Cambridgeshire) was subject to some fairly high winds, although not as bad as further south.
    Okay apologies - I thought you lived in Derbyshire actually. Slightly baffled as to why our northern brethren do not think a 25, possibly 50-year storm is newsworthy, hence my agitation.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    edited October 2013
    @Bobajob I'm surprised to see you misunderstand what's going on. Weather in London is vastly more important than weather elsewhere. An inch of snow in London is worth 12 inches in Manchester and a glacier in Glasgow. An inch of rain in London is worth 3 feet of flooding in Leeds and a tsunami in Aberdeen.

    Those outside London seem to think this is somehow a sign of the relative weakness of Londoners, when of course it is simply a sign of the relative importance of Londoners.

    Tomorrow we'll all go back to making money to keep them in the lifestyle to which they have become accustomed but which they have not yet learned how to earn.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,854
    Mick_Pork said:

    RT ‏@RT_com 51m

    66 killed in day of carnage as 11 car bombs rip through Iraq http://on.rt.com/4w19ea

    Anup Kaphle ‏@AnupKaphle 1h

    With a series of car bombs, Iraq's instability has become worse: http://wapo.st/19M08rw 880 killed last month: pic.twitter.com/g5SCq3vEmB
    It never happened in Saddam's day!
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,786
    Well I personally have a day off, as theres no power at work... so damaging the UK economy by not being productive...

    Oh well...
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    On the windiest day in British history the windmills are currently producing all of 6% of our electricity requirements ie about the same as a single coal fired power station:

    http://www.bmreports.com/bsp/bsp_home.htm

    Brilliant ! 6% saved from CO2 emissions. More the merrier.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    Well I personally have a day off, as theres no power at work... so damaging the UK economy by not being productive...

    Oh well...

    We won't notice.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    OT. Why are Tory MP's more unpopular or less approved of ? After all, the MP's are elected by the local people.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,475
    antifrank said:

    I can provide the pBBC with a second source for Cyclefree's report on weather conditions in EC2. All is quiet here. What's the fuss about?

    NW6, NW3, NW1 and most of Central London which I passed through on my way in were also fine.

  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Damage report: Our wheelie bin has been turned over and dragged , at least, 2.5m !
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited October 2013
    Blimey, its like a regional version of 'Mind Your Langage' with all this banter on here this morning.

    In twenty years time people will probably not be allowed to make such comments
  • Cyclefree said:

    antifrank said:

    I can provide the pBBC with a second source for Cyclefree's report on weather conditions in EC2. All is quiet here. What's the fuss about?

    NW6, NW3, NW1 and most of Central London which I passed through on my way in were also fine.

    You must have some North in your genes.

  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    CNN ‏@CNN 15h

    At least 20 dead after wedding-bound minibus bombed in Afghanistan. http://cnn.it/1eXphkQ

    Kenneth Roth ‏@KenRoth 7h

    You can be a warlord and run for president in #Afghanistan but not a woman. http://trib.al/inYFWE4

    Juana Summers ‏@jmsummers 5h

    Senior NATO officials say they’re planning a more minimalist postwar mission in Afghanistan: http://nyti.ms/1dBzPsf (via @nytimes)

    60 Minutes ‏@60Minutes 8h

    Over the past decade, the CIA has reportedly paid Pres Karzai up to $100M to pave the way for military & intelligence ops in Afghanistan

    Rajiv Chandrasekaran ‏@rajivwashpost

    US govt "kissing oversight goodbye” in #Afghanistan - will use contractors to oversee contractors http://wapo.st/1aMampA

    Juan Cole ‏@jricole

    The American Quagmire in Afghanistan by the Numbers (21,565 US Troops Dead or Wounded) http://tinyurl.com/mp3a2oe
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,847
    Bobajob said:

    Bobajob said:

    @TSEofPB:

    Us Northerners are made up of sterner stuff than those Southern shandy drinkers.

    http://t.co/5x25z0qdUn

    News flash

    First PB victim of the storm discovered! The plastic door protecting my gas meter is open, and the catch broken.

    Emergency services are on their way ...

    Yawn. The track of the low wasn't through your area last time I looked. Another punter who clearly knows eff all about meteorology and geography!
    It was a joke. But yes, the door was open, and the catch is broken. As it's not directly exposed to the wind, I'm assuming it was either some local kids (very unlikely), something to do with the wind (differential pressure?), or me or the gas man breaking the lock whilst closing it.

    According to the maps, where I live (South Cambridgeshire) was subject to some fairly high winds, although not as bad as further south.
    Okay apologies - I thought you lived in Derbyshire actually. Slightly baffled as to why our northern brethren do not think a 25, possibly 50-year storm is newsworthy, hence my agitation.
    T'is okay. I was born 'n bred in Derbyshire, where men are strong in t' arm, thick in t' 'ead. ;-)
    I then betrayed the county by moving to the flatlands.

    One thing that always gets me is people's inability to drive well (or at all) in snow. I guess the problem is that as heavy road-blocking snow is a rarity down here (one or two days a year, if that), people don't adapt. Where snow (or bad weather generally) occurs more regularly, the people are more used to it.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,735
    edited October 2013
    Sunny and moving up to the low 80s here. There's a bit of a breeze. Usually it's pouring with rain this time of year in Barcelona, so we're having extreme weather too. Prey for us. The big news this morning is the revelations that the Americans were at one stage monitoring 60 million communications (calls, emails, tweets etc) a month from Spain. There's a level of indignation, surprisingly.

    As for London, I was very proud of the way everyone did keep calm and carry on after the bomb attacks in 2005.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,475

    Cyclefree said:

    antifrank said:

    I can provide the pBBC with a second source for Cyclefree's report on weather conditions in EC2. All is quiet here. What's the fuss about?

    NW6, NW3, NW1 and most of Central London which I passed through on my way in were also fine.

    You must have some North in your genes.

    I've been married to a Cumbrian for 25 years......

    We sit on the beach at Silecroft in this sort of weather with a flask of tea, a fleece and a blanket. It's known as summer.

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,061
    Indeed, Mr. Isam.

    Incidentally, did anyone manage to spot the swastika yesterday? I'm not a Manchester United fan, of course, but it baffled me.
  • Sunny and moving up to the low 80s here. There's a bit of a breeze. Usually it's pouring with rain this time of year in Barcelona, so we're having extreme weather too. Prey for us. The big news this morning are the revelations that the Americans were at one stage monitoring 60 million communications (calls, emails, tweets etc) a month from Spain. There's a level of indignation, surprisingly.

    As for London, I was very proud of the way everyone did keep calm and carry on after the bomb attacks in 2005.

    Indeed, I was in Madrid, when 7/7 happened.

    There was a lot of bewilderment from the locals happened, at the lack of response from Londoners to what happened, in contrast to what happened in Madrid/Spain a year earlier.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,260
    edited October 2013

    Indeed, Mr. Isam.

    Incidentally, did anyone manage to spot the swastika yesterday? I'm not a Manchester United fan, of course, but it baffled me.

    I did, I think it was the combination of that and the headline "New Order" that made people raise an eyebrow or two.

    Not everyone associates "New Order" with a top music band, but the National Socialists of Germany.

    Edit: Perhaps it was just a subtle pop music reference, apparently there's a fetish to put pop music references into articles and headlines.

    Never understood it myself

    ::Innocent face::
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,847
    antifrank said:

    @Bobajob I'm surprised to see you misunderstand what's going on. Weather in London is vastly more important than weather elsewhere. An inch of snow in London is worth 12 inches in Manchester and a glacier in Glasgow. An inch of rain in London is worth 3 feet of flooding in Leeds and a tsunami in Aberdeen.

    Those outside London seem to think this is somehow a sign of the relative weakness of Londoners, when of course it is simply a sign of the relative importance of Londoners.

    Tomorrow we'll all go back to making money to keep them in the lifestyle to which they have become accustomed but which they have not yet learned how to earn.

    Surely you can make it more granular than that. An inch of rain in the City of London is worth two feet of flooding in Vauxhall, three feet in Brixton, and twenty-five feet in Manchester.

    What value full flooding of Westminster? :-)
  • antifrank said:

    @Bobajob I'm surprised to see you misunderstand what's going on. Weather in London is vastly more important than weather elsewhere. An inch of snow in London is worth 12 inches in Manchester and a glacier in Glasgow. An inch of rain in London is worth 3 feet of flooding in Leeds and a tsunami in Aberdeen.

    Those outside London seem to think this is somehow a sign of the relative weakness of Londoners, when of course it is simply a sign of the relative importance of Londoners.

    Tomorrow we'll all go back to making money to keep them in the lifestyle to which they have become accustomed but which they have not yet learned how to earn.

    Surely you can make it more granular than that. An inch of rain in the City of London is worth two feet of flooding in Vauxhall, three feet in Brixton, and twenty-five feet in Manchester.

    What value full flooding of Westminster? :-)
    25 foot of rain in Manchester is considered a dry day.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,061
    Mr. Eagles, you can't live in Mordor and expect it to be sunny and pleasant.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited October 2013
    Political Scrapbook ‏@PSbook

    Lynton Crosby 'used loophole' to hide his lobbying in Australia http://read.ps/18RY3Lb The same loophole is in UK Lobbying Bill
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,475

    Sunny and moving up to the low 80s here. There's a bit of a breeze. Usually it's pouring with rain this time of year in Barcelona, so we're having extreme weather too. Prey for us. The big news this morning are the revelations that the Americans were at one stage monitoring 60 million communications (calls, emails, tweets etc) a month from Spain. There's a level of indignation, surprisingly.

    As for London, I was very proud of the way everyone did keep calm and carry on after the bomb attacks in 2005.

    Indeed, I was in Madrid, when 7/7 happened.

    There was a lot of bewilderment from the locals happened, at the lack of response from Londoners to what happened, in contrast to what happened in Madrid/Spain a year earlier.
    There was no lack of response. We carried on as normal - as a gigantic 2-fingers to the terrorists.

    It is now very sunny outside with the most beautiful blue sky - it looks like the perfect day for a windy walk in the park but, alas, on account of no-one being in the office, I actually have to do some work.

    So there we have it: only Antifrank and me are keeping the City going today......
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    Indeed, Mr. Isam.

    Incidentally, did anyone manage to spot the swastika yesterday? I'm not a Manchester United fan, of course, but it baffled me.

    I did, I think it was the combination of that and the headline "New Order" that made people raise an eyebrow or two.

    Not everyone associates "New Order" with a top music band, but the National Socialists of Germany.

    Edit: Perhaps it was just a subtle pop music reference, apparently there's a fetish to put pop music references into articles and headlines.

    Never understood it myself

    ::Innocent face::
    More importantly, for all talk of Man United's poor start; they are just two points behind Man City. Thanks to Joe Hart.
  • surbiton said:

    On the windiest day in British history the windmills are currently producing all of 6% of our electricity requirements ie about the same as a single coal fired power station:

    http://www.bmreports.com/bsp/bsp_home.htm

    Brilliant ! 6% saved from CO2 emissions. More the merrier.
    Meanwhile the rest of the world opens new coal fired power stations and laughs at us.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    surbiton said:

    On the windiest day in British history the windmills are currently producing all of 6% of our electricity requirements ie about the same as a single coal fired power station:

    http://www.bmreports.com/bsp/bsp_home.htm

    Brilliant ! 6% saved from CO2 emissions. More the merrier.
    Check your maths and try again.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,301
    Deeply unimpressed by janus faced LD MP - ought to be standing as a Green with a tenuous grasp of reality, but as he his a former councillor it isn't a surprise..
  • Cyclefree said:

    Sunny and moving up to the low 80s here. There's a bit of a breeze. Usually it's pouring with rain this time of year in Barcelona, so we're having extreme weather too. Prey for us. The big news this morning are the revelations that the Americans were at one stage monitoring 60 million communications (calls, emails, tweets etc) a month from Spain. There's a level of indignation, surprisingly.

    As for London, I was very proud of the way everyone did keep calm and carry on after the bomb attacks in 2005.

    Indeed, I was in Madrid, when 7/7 happened.

    There was a lot of bewilderment from the locals happened, at the lack of response from Londoners to what happened, in contrast to what happened in Madrid/Spain a year earlier.
    There was no lack of response. We carried on as normal - as a gigantic 2-fingers to the terrorists.

    It is now very sunny outside with the most beautiful blue sky - it looks like the perfect day for a windy walk in the park but, alas, on account of no-one being in the office, I actually have to do some work.

    So there we have it: only Antifrank and me are keeping the City going today......
    Poor choice of words on my part.

    When the terror attacks happened in Madrid, there were large communal protests in Spain against terrorism.

    Whereas Londoners carried on as normal.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,587
    While I think Polruan is right that liking your local MP tends to be a secondary consideration, it clearly has some effect, as the well-documented average incumbency bonus has no other plausible reason, and this is probably most true in the less politicised areas - villages and suburbs. FWIW, I'm encountering unprompted comments about the sitting MP very frequently. The comments reflect the poll findings above and an "incumbency bonus" is not obvious. But certainly recognition is high - virtually everyone I canvass is familiar both with the MP and with me.
    surbiton said:



    The England that took the Blitz and fought Hitler died a long, tormented, painful death a long time ago. It is just that nobody has been arsed to write the obituaries yet.

    Has any other great country ever died before without anybody even noticing?

    Sorry ! Do not agree. Britain is still great. It is a different Britain. A post-colonial softer Britain. More at peace with its surroundings. I have tremendous faith in the young generation(s).
    I broadly agree, though I think we've been a bit too ready to discard some of the attributes that foreigners expect in Britain - understatement, unswerving civility, etc. Britain seems to me a rougher place than when I was young, and rougher than most Continental countries too. At the UKIP conference I had lunch with a nice elderly couple who said they recognised that change was inevitable but they felt we were losing traditional values like that too readily - it's an element of the UKIP vote quite distinct from the anti-immigrant white van man line.

    But that pleasant manner did often overlay a lot of narrow-mindedness and suspicion which is dissipating among younger people - the way that objections to gay marriage have just blown away is a good example which you eouldn't have seen 20 years ago. On balance, like Surbiton, i'm pretty hopeful for our future.

  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited October 2013

    Indeed, Mr. Isam.

    Incidentally, did anyone manage to spot the swastika yesterday? I'm not a Manchester United fan, of course, but it baffled me.

    I looked, and looked again, but a swastika there was none.

    An utterly ridiculous claim by some daft bugger that wishes to see what they want to see in everything no doubt.

    Damage report: very windy between 3-5 am – garden umbrella fell over, no fatalities.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    dr_spyn said:

    ..as a Green with a tenuous grasp of reality...

    You repeat yourself unnecessarily there :)

  • antifrank said:



    Tomorrow we'll all go back to making money to keep them in the lifestyle to which they have become accustomed but which they have not yet learned how to earn.

    Please don't think its not appreciated AF.

    Not only do Londoners sacrifice their quality of life so that mine is better than it othewise would be but they also give everyone a good laugh in so doing.

    Now here's something for Londoners to read about - they may have heard about such places or even seen them when outside the M25 but its not likely that they'll ever live in one:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-family_detached_home
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    At the time of the 7/7 bombings, I was working in a building right by the Metropolitan line entrance to Liverpool Street station tube. The next day, the key cutter in the arcade had put a sheet in his window with a cross of St George painted on, superimposed with the words "London's burning? My arse".

    A few of the support staff were feeling a bit shaky the next day, but despite it being optional whether people came into work or not, most did.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    Stormageddon -- all the racing has been called off, even though it's up north at Leicester and Redcar (and I was pretty sure today's card was the one that would pay off my mortgage).
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,475

    Cyclefree said:

    Sunny and moving up to the low 80s here. There's a bit of a breeze. Usually it's pouring with rain this time of year in Barcelona, so we're having extreme weather too. Prey for us. The big news this morning are the revelations that the Americans were at one stage monitoring 60 million communications (calls, emails, tweets etc) a month from Spain. There's a level of indignation, surprisingly.

    As for London, I was very proud of the way everyone did keep calm and carry on after the bomb attacks in 2005.

    Indeed, I was in Madrid, when 7/7 happened.

    There was a lot of bewilderment from the locals happened, at the lack of response from Londoners to what happened, in contrast to what happened in Madrid/Spain a year earlier.
    There was no lack of response. We carried on as normal - as a gigantic 2-fingers to the terrorists.

    It is now very sunny outside with the most beautiful blue sky - it looks like the perfect day for a windy walk in the park but, alas, on account of no-one being in the office, I actually have to do some work.

    So there we have it: only Antifrank and me are keeping the City going today......
    Poor choice of words on my part.

    When the terror attacks happened in Madrid, there were large communal protests in Spain against terrorism.

    Whereas Londoners carried on as normal.
    Yes: you're right on that. Though we did have the 1 minute silence a week later. That was impressive.
  • Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Sunny and moving up to the low 80s here. There's a bit of a breeze. Usually it's pouring with rain this time of year in Barcelona, so we're having extreme weather too. Prey for us. The big news this morning are the revelations that the Americans were at one stage monitoring 60 million communications (calls, emails, tweets etc) a month from Spain. There's a level of indignation, surprisingly.

    As for London, I was very proud of the way everyone did keep calm and carry on after the bomb attacks in 2005.

    Indeed, I was in Madrid, when 7/7 happened.

    There was a lot of bewilderment from the locals happened, at the lack of response from Londoners to what happened, in contrast to what happened in Madrid/Spain a year earlier.
    There was no lack of response. We carried on as normal - as a gigantic 2-fingers to the terrorists.

    It is now very sunny outside with the most beautiful blue sky - it looks like the perfect day for a windy walk in the park but, alas, on account of no-one being in the office, I actually have to do some work.

    So there we have it: only Antifrank and me are keeping the City going today......
    Poor choice of words on my part.

    When the terror attacks happened in Madrid, there were large communal protests in Spain against terrorism.

    Whereas Londoners carried on as normal.
    Yes: you're right on that. Though we did have the 1 minute silence a week later. That was impressive.
    I've found a piece that sums up the Spanish view on us

    Spaniards who lived through a similar attack in Madrid last year view London's phlegmatic return to normality with a mixture of admiration, incomprehension and outrage.

    While the Madrid train bombings brought millions of mourners on to the streets of Spanish cities and provoked angry demonstrations, political rows and a change of government, Spaniards have found Londoners' stiff upper lip almost unintelligible.

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/jul/12/spain.media
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omagh_bombing


    Around the world ‏@World_news_2014

    Northern Ireland Secretary Theresa Villiers rules out public inquiry into the 1998 Omagh bombing http://bbc.in/15TCn2o
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,301
    To be fair to my useless LD MP, his predecessor was also cast from the same mould, local councillor out of its depth or comfort zone and just as spineless.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    That's not my recollection - I caught the Tube the day after 7/7 and it was a sparsely populated - understandably.

    Cyclefree said:

    Sunny and moving up to the low 80s here. There's a bit of a breeze. Usually it's pouring with rain this time of year in Barcelona, so we're having extreme weather too. Prey for us. The big news this morning are the revelations that the Americans were at one stage monitoring 60 million communications (calls, emails, tweets etc) a month from Spain. There's a level of indignation, surprisingly.

    As for London, I was very proud of the way everyone did keep calm and carry on after the bomb attacks in 2005.

    Indeed, I was in Madrid, when 7/7 happened.

    There was a lot of bewilderment from the locals happened, at the lack of response from Londoners to what happened, in contrast to what happened in Madrid/Spain a year earlier.
    There was no lack of response. We carried on as normal - as a gigantic 2-fingers to the terrorists.

    It is now very sunny outside with the most beautiful blue sky - it looks like the perfect day for a windy walk in the park but, alas, on account of no-one being in the office, I actually have to do some work.

    So there we have it: only Antifrank and me are keeping the City going today......
    Poor choice of words on my part.

    When the terror attacks happened in Madrid, there were large communal protests in Spain against terrorism.

    Whereas Londoners carried on as normal.
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    *emerges from rubble*
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