To me the biggest development of the day was the response by Donald Tusk to the Labour proposal for Brexit. The details envisage a softer brexit then Theresa May’s plan but because of the numbers in the Commons there’s a good chance that this is what could actually be agreed.
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Or do we just leave and pretend we have the legislation through then do so?
Given our massive trade deficit and service based economy, there is little evidence that is in our interests.
It also stands a decent chance of being passed by the Commons, and being supported by the EU.
Come up with a new form of relationship between the UK and the EU. Then we can talk.
As well as any poster who twitters on endlessly about xenophobia causing the Leave vote,
And, as a goodwill gesture from the Leave side, Jacob Rees-Mogg will be filled to the brim with bees.
Remaining in this organisation is my idea of hell.
At least i am now convinced, OGH plays devils advocate with the headers, they are click bait. This is the most ludicrous one since Meeks World War Weird effort.
Corbyn in some sort of position of power and influence rarely witnessed in a LOTO?
Oh it hurts 😂 stop it
Its too late for Team Corbyn to prevent Brexit, impossible to spin UK not on road to hard Brexit. Whatever letters they write, whatever credibility sapping somersaults they now turn, they don’t have votes in parliament to back it up or votes in country to avoid defeat in General Election. Corbyn, McDonnell, Gardiner, 25% or less in the polls is your end, close the door behind you.
Tusk only said that because his only joy in life now is seeing the vicars daughters face when he says these things.
I can’t see why everyone puts their faith in Westminster/Whitehall, it’s barely functional.
Time to go, so have a great nights rest everyone
Good night folks
Goodnight.
She's stubborn until she isn't and then it is like "we have always been at war with Eastasia".
May's Brexit
Jezza's Brexit.
I think I'd plump for Jez's CU option actually, to be implemented by May and Co.
It doesn't matter if Fox, or May, or Brown or Balls are not functional. If we don't like them we chuck them out. If we decide we're not happy with Labour we can elect other parties like in 2010. If we're not happy with Lib Dems in office we can terminate them like 2015. If we're not happy with the Tories having a unilateral majority, we can neuter that. If we decide to completely shake up the kaleidoscope we could elect Corbyn and nearly did in 2017,
From Delors to Tusk I've never seen a way to chuck the buggers out in Europe. That's the difference.
Olly Robbins has been given as much leeway as he has by May, like Selmayr for Juncker. Get rid of May.
Wales is what the SNP saved Scotland from becoming.
A brief snippet (Hat tip, Wings)
The number of NHS operations cancelled for non-clinical reasons per year
Scotland: 8,311
Wales: 64,113
The Welsh figures under Labour are a breathtaking 771% worse than Scotland’s.
Who's Leader of the Opposition in the EU? Who's their Shadow Chancellor equivalent? What are the choices at the next elections?
I do know that I will find it harder to compete outside the customs union.
Norway can make its own trade deals and it has significant say on the rules. The only one which you were right on was Freedom of Movement.
What is rarely mentioned about the UK is that we do not elect the government. We elect MPs, they effectively decide who the prime minister will be, and the PM chooses the government.
A lot of nonsense is spoken about the contrast between UK and EU democracy. In fact both systems are a complex mix of direct and indirect representation and selection.
At the very worst, purgatory.
They are in a customs union with the EU which means that any goods from 3rd party countries which have an FTA with the EU can come into Turkey tariff free. However because being out side The Customs Union means Turkey is not party to any of those FTAs itself, it is unable to sell tariff free into any of those third party countries unless is gets its own FTA with them - something which is almost impossible because those countries already have tariff free access to the Turkish market.
If that is what Corbyn is proposing he is a lunatic.
Brexit apart, of course.
And even then....
Enid Coleslaw lookalikey creepily following Barnier around could be on the undateables next week.
I need a stiff G&T just listening to Today in Parliament.
Having to sit through it...
Pause.
I'm not doing the paperwork...
In 1997 the Tory government was ejected and their opposition who had spent almost two decades opposing the Tories were elected instead with some very different policies as a result.
What was the last European Election that changed the politics of the EU as dramatically as Blair replacing Major or Cameron replacing Brown?
Personally I’ve had enough Westminster drama, it’s low grade farce.
When was the last time the EU government (and most importantly its policies) was ejected by the electorate to choose a different set of priorities and policies instead?
Ditto if Scotland wants true self-governance it can go independent. If its happy to let England choose the PM most of the time they can stay part of the union.
removal of tariff barriers between members, together with acceptance of a common tariff against non-members? That’s got to be helpful? Countries that export to the customs union only need to make a single payment once the goods have passed through the border. Once inside goods can move freely without additional tariffs? From a manufacturing point of view, that’s got to be very helpful to us? Also it solves the problem of trade deflection, when non-members ship goods to a low tariff FTA member (or set up a subsidiary in the low tariff country) and re-ship to a high tariff FTA member. Hence, without a unified external tariff, trade flows become one-sided. It wouldn’t be nice competing against The EU CU all around us would it, so its not just the being out, its the battle plan to be at constant war with the CU and all that will entail for our manufacturing in particular. That’s a consideration?
I think people are daft to underestimate Corbyn's political nous, but in betting terms it seems very unlikely that we'll be ready to leave with a deal by 29 March.
It still seems possible a deal will be passed by the Commons by that date - perhaps thanks to Corbyn - but that's different, isn't it?
So no I do not think being in any form of Customs Union with the EU is desirable. It is the reason the EFTA countries have considered it a step too far.
Perhaps local voters are a bit non plussed that two of the 3 Labour councillors they elected less than 9 months ago for another 4 year term have quit.
No area with Scotland's population controls the countries direction whether part of England or not. If a majority of seats go to one party then it doesn't matter who wins more seats in England or who gets more votes in England. Scotland with its close to 60 seats gets to decide who runs the country if the rest of the country runs up a less than 60 seat deficit between the two parties, which is the same as any other area with a similar amount of seats.