So if I sent a "well done" text to Ole Gunnar Solskjaer for his revival of United's disastrous season I would be "looped in" to Man U?
Colour me unconvinced.
No. The analogy would be that you are a 'consultant' for Man Utd and you receive a text message from a close associate of the Glazers saying "well done" immediately after wikileaks has released a bunch of dirt on Chelsea.
Is this persuasive evidence that Man Utd were looped in to an attempt to discredit Chelsea?
On the face of it, yes.
Not sure it is. Welcoming something is not the same as causing it. But there may be more to it.
If the Glazers had spent the previous couple of weeks publicly calling for Wikileaks to release the dirt...
Nope, still not a causal connection (and what could people possibly say about Chelsea that could possibly make people think worse of them anyway?)
And this ?
https://www.justice.gov/file/1124706/download 12. After the July 22, 2016 release of stolen DNC emails by Organization 1, a senior Trump Campaign official was directed to contact STONE about any additional releases and what other damaging information Organization 1 had regarding the Clinton Campaign. STONE thereafter told the Trump Campaign about potential future releases of damaging material by Organization 1. 13. STONE also corresponded with associates about contacting Organization 1 in order to obtain additional emails damaging to the Clinton Campaign. a. On or about July 25, 2016, STONE sent an email to Person 1 with the subject line, “Get to [the head of Organization 1].” The body of the message read, “Get to [the head of Organization 1] [a]t Ecuadorian Embassy in London and get the pending [Organization 1] emails . . . they deal with Foundation, allegedly.”...
There really, really needs to be a clear out from both sides. If Dominic Grieve thinks he can get himself elected as the conscience of the nation good luck to him but he should not be standing again as a Conservative. Ditto Francois, IDS and sundry other nutters.
Much as I'd like to see Trump in court and then doing prison time it isn't going to undo what has happened over the last couple of years.
Aye. I fear Trump in the first of many white nationalist Presidents.
I hope you are wrong. I see Trump and Brexit as the last hurrahs in the death throws of the international hatred filled disease called nationalism
There are no last hurrahs.
This is part of the new politics that is going to be with us, now, for some time. As will the ideologically internationalist on the other side.
No, nationalism is fundamentally intellectually bankrupt, and when people begin to feel its effects in the aftermath of Trump and his trade wars and the damage caused by Brexit, it will be consigned back to the basket case that it belongs in, for at least another 50 years when it will remerge again when people have forgotten the hatred and damage it causes. We will have to live with its stupidity for another 10 years. Hopefully it does not allow its equally damaging cousin socialism to creep in as a phony antidote.
You might want it to be so, but it won’t happen. Things like nations and religions are a fundamental part of people’s identities - giving them belonging, structure and meaning to their lives - and abolishing it is as about as feasible as abolishing human nature itself.
You confuse, or deliberately conflate, nationalism with patriotism. Nationalism is patriotism's thicko brother.
I would certainly describe myself as a patriot rather than a nationalist.
I mean nationalism in it’s original sense - national-ist, someone who believes in a world of nation states of those who share a common identity - rather than the 1930s polished jackboot kind.
So if I sent a "well done" text to Ole Gunnar Solskjaer for his revival of United's disastrous season I would be "looped in" to Man U?
Colour me unconvinced. Of course this does not mean that he has not done things for or on behalf of the Donald that Mueller would find of interest. Trump is getting to be quite a dangerous man to know.
If he has sufficient evidence for the witness-tampering to be a slam-dunk, Stone is going to roll quicker than a, well, rolling stone.
I have no sympathy for the devil.
Mueller's going to get some satisfaction out of this, I think.
So if I sent a "well done" text to Ole Gunnar Solskjaer for his revival of United's disastrous season I would be "looped in" to Man U?
Colour me unconvinced. Of course this does not mean that he has not done things for or on behalf of the Donald that Mueller would find of interest. Trump is getting to be quite a dangerous man to know.
If he has sufficient evidence for the witness-tampering to be a slam-dunk, Stone is going to roll quicker than a, well, rolling stone.
I have no sympathy for the devil.
Carries a penalty of up to 20 years in the US. And y'all thought Manafort was in some deep shit.
But are they looking at multiple state jurisdictions again, or can Trump just give a Federal pardon?
Much as I'd like to see Trump in court and then doing prison time it isn't going to undo what has happened over the last couple of years.
Aye. I fear Trump in the first of many white nationalist Presidents.
I hope you are wrong. I see Trump and Brexit as the last hurrahs in the death throws of the international hatred filled disease called nationalism
There are no last hurrahs.
This is part of the new politics that is going to be with us, now, for some time. As will the ideologically internationalist on the other side.
No, nationalism is fundamentally intellectually bankrupt, and when people begin to feel its effects in the aftermath of Trump and his trade wars and the damage caused by Brexit, it will be consigned back to the basket case that it belongs in, for at least another 50 years when it will remerge again when people have forgotten the hatred and damage it causes. We will have to live with its stupidity for another 10 years. Hopefully it does not allow its equally damaging cousin socialism to creep in as a phony antidote.
People want to believe in something other than making money.
So, socialism, religious fundamentalism, and nationalism are very much with us for the foreseeable future.
I hope not, but fear you might be right. They are the combined opiates of the (less educated) people
So if I sent a "well done" text to Ole Gunnar Solskjaer for his revival of United's disastrous season I would be "looped in" to Man U?
Colour me unconvinced. Of course this does not mean that he has not done things for or on behalf of the Donald that Mueller would find of interest. Trump is getting to be quite a dangerous man to know.
If he has sufficient evidence for the witness-tampering to be a slam-dunk, Stone is going to roll quicker than a, well, rolling stone.
I have no sympathy for the devil.
Mueller's going to get some satisfaction out of this, I think.
Much as I'd like to see Trump in court and then doing prison time it isn't going to undo what has happened over the last couple of years.
Aye. I fear Trump in the first of many white nationalist Presidents.
I hope you are wrong. I see Trump and Brexit as the last hurrahs in the death throws of the international hatred filled disease called nationalism
There are no last hurrahs.
This is part of the new politics that is going to be with us, now, for some time. As will the ideologically internationalist on the other side.
No, nationalism is fundamentally intellectually bankrupt, and when people begin to feel its effects in the aftermath of Trump and his trade wars and the damage caused by Brexit, it will be consigned back to the basket case that it belongs in, for at least another 50 years when it will remerge again when people have forgotten the hatred and damage it causes. We will have to live with its stupidity for another 10 years. Hopefully it does not allow its equally damaging cousin socialism to creep in as a phony antidote.
People want to believe in something other than making money.
So, socialism, religious fundamentalism, and nationalism are very much with us for the foreseeable future.
I hope not, but fear you might be right. They are the combined opiates of the (less educated) people
There's a self-interested side to human nature, and an idealistic side. Political and religious ideology appeals to the latter.
So if I sent a "well done" text to Ole Gunnar Solskjaer for his revival of United's disastrous season I would be "looped in" to Man U?
Colour me unconvinced. Of course this does not mean that he has not done things for or on behalf of the Donald that Mueller would find of interest. Trump is getting to be quite a dangerous man to know.
If he has sufficient evidence for the witness-tampering to be a slam-dunk, Stone is going to roll quicker than a, well, rolling stone.
I have no sympathy for the devil.
Mueller's going to get some satisfaction out of this, I think.
Mueller seems to be getting his kicks from it all
Still, you can't always get what you want, but in this particular case, I think he'll get what he needs.
So if I sent a "well done" text to Ole Gunnar Solskjaer for his revival of United's disastrous season I would be "looped in" to Man U?
Colour me unconvinced. Of course this does not mean that he has not done things for or on behalf of the Donald that Mueller would find of interest. Trump is getting to be quite a dangerous man to know.
If he has sufficient evidence for the witness-tampering to be a slam-dunk, Stone is going to roll quicker than a, well, rolling stone.
Much as I'd like to see Trump in court and then doing prison time it isn't going to undo what has happened over the last couple of years.
Aye. I fear Trump in the first of many white nationalist Presidents.
I hope you are wrong. I see Trump and Brexit as the last hurrahs in the death throws of the international hatred filled disease called nationalism
There are no last hurrahs.
This is part of the new politics that is going to be with us, now, for some time. As will the ideologically internationalist on the other side.
No, nationalism is fundamentally intellectually bankrupt, and when people begin to feel its effects in the aftermath of Trump and his trade wars and the damage caused by Brexit, it will be consigned back to the basket case that it belongs in, for at least another 50 years when it will remerge again when people have forgotten the hatred and damage it causes. We will have to live with its stupidity for another 10 years. Hopefully it does not allow its equally damaging cousin socialism to creep in as a phony antidote.
You might want it to be so, but it won’t happen. Things like nations and religions are a fundamental part of people’s identities - giving them belonging, structure and meaning to their lives - and abolishing it is as about as feasible as abolishing human nature itself.
You confuse, or deliberately conflate, nationalism with patriotism. Nationalism is patriotism's thicko brother.
I would certainly describe myself as a patriot rather than a nationalist.
I mean nationalism in it’s original sense - national-ist, someone who believes in a world of nation states of those who share a common identity - rather than the 1930s polished jackboot kind.
That is admirable, though having seen many of your posts, I would say you speak with the fervour of a nationalist, albeit not to the extreme of Mark Francois MP
No, nationalism is fundamentally intellectually bankrupt, and when people begin to feel its effects in the aftermath of Trump and his trade wars and the damage caused by Brexit, it will be consigned back to the basket case that it belongs in, for at least another 50 years when it will remerge again when people have forgotten the hatred and damage it causes. We will have to live with its stupidity for another 10 years.
I too take a dim view of nationalism, but I exempt from this the form of it which manifests as a non-violent political struggle for self-determination on behalf of a territory which believes with some justification that it merits full independent nation status.
The SNP, for example, I do not bracket with the BNP.
When it is impossible to differentiate between Trots, idiotic nationalist, and some Brexit Tories you have to start re-evaluating stuff.
Honestly if I wanted to fuck business/ruin the British economy I would have joined the Labour party.
I'm just so surprised it is coming from the right. I wouldn't really be a fan of this fuck business attitude and I'm coming from a left wing place, increase their taxation to reinvest in society by all means but this is just madness.
Much as I'd like to see Trump in court and then doing prison time it isn't going to undo what has happened over the last couple of years.
Aye. I fear Trump in the first of many white nationalist Presidents.
I hope you are wrong. I see Trump and Brexit as the last hurrahs in the death throws of the international hatred filled disease called nationalism
There are no last hurrahs.
This is part of the new politics that is going to be with us, now, for some time. As will the ideologically internationalist on the other side.
No, nationalism is fundamentally intellectually bankrupt, and when people begin to feel its effects in the aftermath of Trump and his trade wars and the damage caused by Brexit, it will be consigned back to the basket case that it belongs in, for at least another 50 years when it will remerge again when people have forgotten the hatred and damage it causes. We will have to live with its stupidity for another 10 years. Hopefully it does not allow its equally damaging cousin socialism to creep in as a phony antidote.
You might want it to be so, but it won’t happen. Things like nations and religions are a fundamental part of people’s identities - giving them belonging, structure and meaning to their lives - and abolishing it is as about as feasible as abolishing human nature itself.
You confuse, or deliberately conflate, nationalism with patriotism. Nationalism is patriotism's thicko brother.
I would certainly describe myself as a patriot rather than a nationalist.
I mean nationalism in it’s original sense - national-ist, someone who believes in a world of nation states of those who share a common identity - rather than the 1930s polished jackboot kind.
That is admirable, though having seen many of your posts, I would say you speak with the fervour of a nationalist, albeit not to the extreme of Mark Francois MP
No, nationalism is fundamentally intellectually bankrupt, and when people begin to feel its effects in the aftermath of Trump and his trade wars and the damage caused by Brexit, it will be consigned back to the basket case that it belongs in, for at least another 50 years when it will remerge again when people have forgotten the hatred and damage it causes. We will have to live with its stupidity for another 10 years.
I too take a dim view of nationalism, but I exempt from this the form of it which manifests as a non-violent political struggle for self-determination on behalf of a territory which believes with some justification that it merits full independent nation status.
The SNP, for example, I do not bracket with the BNP.
I disagree. The SNP is not benign, though it likes to give the impression it is. It has some very sinister undertones that are based on classical hatred themes that are so typical of nationalism and where it crosses into fascism. It also has a pretty unpleasant history with strong links to European fascism in the 30s. The bile that is spewed by the couple of SNP supporters that come on here if anyone criticises them is indicative. Irish nationalism, while its violence is repugnant, is based on a genuine history of repression and underrepresentation. Scottish nationalism cannot make this excuse. Scotland has been massively overrepresented in British government, and Scottish subjects were very strongly influential on the growth of the British Empire. Their victim status is contrived.
Every time Andrew Bridgen or Mark Francois go on telly, i change my mind as to who the biggest bell-end is in the current Tory party.... and it's a big pool unfortunately.
When it is impossible to differentiate between Trots, idiotic nationalist, and some Brexit Tories you have to start re-evaluating stuff.
Honestly if I wanted to fuck business/ruin the British economy I would have joined the Labour party.
I'm just so surprised it is coming from the right. I wouldn't really be a fan of this fuck business attitude and I'm coming from a left wing place, increase their taxation to reinvest in society by all means but this is just madness.
Isn't that what they did in Venezuela? That worked well. So well Mr Thicky would like to try it here
Another cretin. Jesus. For every crazed Remainer like A C Grayling or Adonis, there’s a frothing loon of a Leaver like Francois or S Jackson (ex of this parish)
What the F has happened to us? We are a nation of donkeys led by maggots.
Sorry, but I don't think the scales are quite as even as you would like. Whatever you might say about Adonis he is very intelligent. These idiots? I am actually beginning to feel sorry for the more thoughtful people who voted for Brexit...well only a bit
Yeah, so that implies that Stone did things which Trump appreciated and which may well have been helpful to him. It doesn't imply that Trump either did or authorised those things.
If you look at the timing and circumstances, at least what is in the public domain, I would say that it does on the face of things 'imply' it - but of course this does not, in and of itself, meet the gold standard of proof beyond all reasonable doubt.
Perhaps Stone was doing a thousand things for Trump and getting dozens of "jolly well done, Rog!" text messages from his campaign every day. In which case it would be difficult to attribute this one to a particular set of leaks on Clinton.
But anyway, like Alex and Harvey and Kevin, like Rolf and Cliff and that Labour MP with the car trouble, innocent until proven guilty.
Every time Andrew Bridgen or Mark Francois go on telly, i change my mind as to who the biggest bell-end is in the current Tory party.... and it's a big pool unfortunately.
The voters in their respective constituencies seem to think they're the best thing since sliced bread. For instance Bridgen's seat has swung to the Tories by 17% over 3 elections since he became the Tory candidate.
So if I sent a "well done" text to Ole Gunnar Solskjaer for his revival of United's disastrous season I would be "looped in" to Man U?
Colour me unconvinced. Of course this does not mean that he has not done things for or on behalf of the Donald that Mueller would find of interest. Trump is getting to be quite a dangerous man to know.
If he has sufficient evidence for the witness-tampering to be a slam-dunk, Stone is going to roll quicker than a, well, rolling stone.
I have no sympathy for the devil.
Mueller's going to get some satisfaction out of this, I think.
Mueller seems to be getting his kicks from it all
Still, you can't always get what you want, but in this particular case, I think he'll get what he needs.
Still don't see how this relates to alleged Russian aid for Trump given knowingly. As for looking for dirt on the Democrats - isn't this whole Mueller proble looking for dirt on Republicans?
Every time Andrew Bridgen or Mark Francois go on telly, i change my mind as to who the biggest bell-end is in the current Tory party.... and it's a big pool unfortunately.
The voters in their respective constituencies seem to think they're the best thing since sliced bread. For instance Bridgen's seat has swung to the Tories by 17% over 3 elections since he became the Tory candidate.
It is called appealing to the lowest common denominator. Practiced by Donald Trump to good effect until recently.
It's the pause that's fascinating me. He had finished his point I think, and you can see the moment where he grins a bit more, and thinks I know what I'll do next...
It must sting to be an ardent English nationalist with the surname francois.
If you look at the timing and circumstances, at least what is in the public domain, I would say that it does on the face of things 'imply' it - but of course this does not, in and of itself, meet the gold standard of proof beyond all reasonable doubt.
Perhaps Stone was doing a thousand things for Trump and getting dozens of "jolly well done, Rog!" text messages from his campaign every day. In which case it would be difficult to attribute this one to a particular set of leaks on Clinton.
But anyway, like Alex and Harvey and Kevin, like Rolf and Cliff and that Labour MP with the car trouble, innocent until proven guilty.
No, nationalism is fundamentally intellectually bankrupt, and when people begin to feel its effects in the aftermath of Trump and his trade wars and the damage caused by Brexit, it will be consigned back to the basket case that it belongs in, for at least another 50 years when it will remerge again when people have forgotten the hatred and damage it causes. We will have to live with its stupidity for another 10 years.
I too take a dim view of nationalism, but I exempt from this the form of it which manifests as a non-violent political struggle for self-determination on behalf of a territory which believes with some justification that it merits full independent nation status.
The SNP, for example, I do not bracket with the BNP.
I disagree. The SNP is not benign, though it likes to give the impression it is. It has some very sinister undertones that are based on classical hatred themes that are so typical of nationalism and where it crosses into fascism. It also has a pretty unpleasant history with strong links to European fascism in the 30s. The bile that is spewed by the couple of SNP supporters that come on here if anyone criticises them is indicative. Irish nationalism, while its violence is repugnant, is based on a genuine history of repression and underrepresentation. Scottish nationalism cannot make this excuse. Scotland has been massively overrepresented in British government, and Scottish subjects were very strongly influential on the growth of the British Empire. Their victim status is contrived.
I rather agree - and the same applies to Plaid Cymru which also had links with fascists in the 1930s.
Another cretin. Jesus. For every crazed Remainer like A C Grayling or Adonis, there’s a frothing loon of a Leaver like Francois or S Jackson (ex of this parish)
What the F has happened to us? We are a nation of donkeys led by maggots.
Sorry, but I don't think the scales are quite as even as you would like. Whatever you might say about Adonis he is very intelligent. These idiots? I am actually beginning to feel sorry for the more thoughtful people who voted for Brexit...well only a bit
Intelligence doesn’t count for zip if you’re dribbling sputum like Adonis, on a daily basis. He’s gone totally gaga over Brexit. Indeed his dry intellectuality makes the spectacle of his implosion even more macabre, and compelling.
There is something about Brexit which just sends people mental. I think it is because it challenges inner belief systems, and emotional weltanschauungs, i.e. it is more akin to a medieval war of religion than a modern day political argument.
I would agree with your second paragraph. It is very similar to the reformation, and sadly will continue to be as divisive for some time to come, though hopefully without the ritual burnings.
I disagree. The SNP is not benign, though it likes to give the impression it is. It has some very sinister undertones that are based on classical hatred themes that are so typical of nationalism and where it crosses into fascism. It also has a pretty unpleasant history with strong links to European fascism in the 30s. The bile that is spewed by the couple of SNP supporters that come on here if anyone criticises them is indicative. Irish nationalism, while its violence is repugnant, is based on a genuine history of repression and underrepresentation. Scottish nationalism cannot make this excuse. Scotland has been massively overrepresented in British government, and Scottish subjects were very strongly influential on the growth of the British Empire. Their victim status is contrived.
Not saying I have a particular soft spot for Scottish nationalism, and I will take on trust those comments about nastiness in the 1930s, I can believe it, and yes you are quite right that they were more partners in colonialism than victims of it, but - but but but - there is no way in my mind that a cause such as that, or say Catalonia, or the Kurds, this type of 'nationalism' ought to be viewed in the same light as Front National, BNP, AfD, Golden Dawn, these sorts of grisly and wholly reprehensible movements. I mean, Nicola Sturgeon or Martin Webster? Who are you going to take home to Mother?
Robert Mueller's investigation has been methodical and very disciplined. The absence of leaks is striking, as is the way in which he seems to be plucking pieces off the board one at a time, slowly circling in to the centre. At every stage he's underpromised and overdelivered. That in turn creates a virtuous circle as those potentially in line seek to make sure of their own position.
We don't know what he knows, but equally obviously neither do any of those on team Trump, and none of them trust each other to know what might be out there. The panic is palpable.
No, nationalism is fundamentally intellectually bankrupt, and when people begin to feel its effects in the aftermath of Trump and his trade wars and the damage caused by Brexit, it will be consigned back to the basket case that it belongs in, for at least another 50 years when it will remerge again when people have forgotten the hatred and damage it causes. We will have to live with its stupidity for another 10 years.
I too take a dim view of nationalism, but I exempt from this the form of it which manifests as a non-violent political struggle for self-determination on behalf of a territory which believes with some justification that it merits full independent nation status.
The SNP, for example, I do not bracket with the BNP.
I disagree. The SNP is not benign, though it likes to give the impression it is. It has some very sinister undertones that are based on classical hatred themes that are so typical of nationalism and where it crosses into fascism. It also has a pretty unpleasant history with strong links to European fascism in the 30s. The bile that is spewed by the couple of SNP supporters that come on here if anyone criticises them is indicative. Irish nationalism, while its violence is repugnant, is based on a genuine history of repression and underrepresentation. Scottish nationalism cannot make this excuse. Scotland has been massively overrepresented in British government, and Scottish subjects were very strongly influential on the growth of the British Empire. Their victim status is contrived.
I rather agree - and the same applies to Plaid Cymru which also had links with fascists in the 1930s.
Indeed, and rather like the Scots are in a fairly weak position to claim that their countrymen have not been sufficiently represented at all levels of the British establishment.
This whole Mueller investigation seems to just be a politically motivated way of getting rid of Trump.
The Russians favoured Trump and Sanders over Hilary and had a small social media presence pushing their preferred candidates. So what exactly?
I think that that is quite a difficult line to maintain when Mueller continues to get indictments, pleas and some fairly hefty sentences.
Just a load of trumped up charges, mostly about lying during the investigation or completely unrelated matters. Which is what you expect if you look at any election spending too closely (I can't imagine what you would find if you investigated say the Clintons this thoroughly).
Someone please explain what is wrong with working with the Russians during the election?
It's all about getting Trump out of office because they don't like him and can't accept that he won the election.
It violates American law, such as the Foreign Agents Registration Act for starters.
But no one has been charged with anything regarding the Russian involvement. It's all things that have come to light during the investigation.
The Russian angle was just the excuse to investigate until they found something.
You need to stop embarrassing yourself.
13 Russian nationals and three Russian companies were indicted on conspiracy charges, with some also being accused of identity theft. The charges related to a Russian propaganda effort designed to interfere with the 2016 campaign. The companies involved are the Internet Research Agency, often described as a “Russian troll farm,” and two other companies that helped finance it. The Russian nationals indicted include 12 of the agency’s employees and its alleged financier, Yevgeny Prigozhin
12 Russian GRU officers: These officers of Russia’s military intelligence service were charged with crimes related to the hacking and leaking of leading Democrats’ emails in 2016
This whole Mueller investigation seems to just be a politically motivated way of getting rid of Trump.
The Russians favoured Trump and Sanders over Hilary and had a small social media presence pushing their preferred candidates. So what exactly?
I think that that is quite a difficult line to maintain when Mueller continues to get indictments, pleas and some fairly hefty sentences.
Just a load of trumped up charges, mostly about lying during the investigation or completely unrelated matters. Which is what you expect if you look at any election spending too closely (I can't imagine what you would find if you investigated say the Clintons this thoroughly).
Someone please explain what is wrong with working with the Russians during the election?
It's all about getting Trump out of office because they don't like him and can't accept that he won the election.
It violates American law, such as the Foreign Agents Registration Act for starters.
But no one has been charged with anything regarding the Russian involvement. It's all things that have come to light during the investigation.
The Russian angle was just the excuse to investigate until they found something.
You need to stop embarrassing yourself.
13 Russian nationals and three Russian companies were indicted on conspiracy charges, with some also being accused of identity theft. The charges related to a Russian propaganda effort designed to interfere with the 2016 campaign. The companies involved are the Internet Research Agency, often described as a “Russian troll farm,” and two other companies that helped finance it. The Russian nationals indicted include 12 of the agency’s employees and its alleged financier, Yevgeny Prigozhin
12 Russian GRU officers: These officers of Russia’s military intelligence service were charged with crimes related to the hacking and leaking of leading Democrats’ emails in 2016
They are not from Trump's team.
Quote from you: "The Russians favoured Trump and Sanders over Hilary and had a small social media presence pushing their preferred candidates. So what exactly?"
This whole Mueller investigation seems to just be a politically motivated way of getting rid of Trump.
The Russians favoured Trump and Sanders over Hilary and had a small social media presence pushing their preferred candidates. So what exactly?
I think that that is quite a difficult line to maintain when Mueller continues to get indictments, pleas and some fairly hefty sentences.
Just a load of trumped up charges, mostly about lying during the investigation or completely unrelated matters. Which is what you expect if you look at any election spending too closely (I can't imagine what you would find if you investigated say the Clintons this thoroughly).
Someone please explain what is wrong with working with the Russians during the election?
It's all about getting Trump out of office because they don't like him and can't accept that he won the election.
It violates American law, such as the Foreign Agents Registration Act for starters.
But no one has been charged with anything regarding the Russian involvement. It's all things that have come to light during the investigation.
The Russian angle was just the excuse to investigate until they found something.
Informative article - but I don't agree with your conclusion. The only deal which passes is one with Labour and Conservative votes, which must be a softer one to get Labour support.
May would have to break her red line on the customs union I think. And will she? I doubt it.
Another cretin. Jesus. For every crazed Remainer like A C Grayling or Adonis, there’s a frothing loon of a Leaver like Francois or S Jackson (ex of this parish)
What the F has happened to us? We are a nation of donkeys led by maggots.
It is style over substance from people with no style.
But I think there is still much of substance that is good about the country, even if the style is lacking and we are on the verge of doing damage to the substance.
Robert Mueller's investigation has been methodical and very disciplined. The absence of leaks is striking, as is the way in which he seems to be plucking pieces off the board one at a time, slowly circling in to the centre. At every stage he's underpromised and overdelivered. That in turn creates a virtuous circle as those potentially in line seek to make sure of their own position.
We don't know what he knows, but equally obviously neither do any of those on team Trump, and none of them trust each other to know what might be out there. The panic is palpable.
I agree, he (and his team) have been sensationally good at their jobs so far.
This whole Mueller investigation seems to just be a politically motivated way of getting rid of Trump.
The Russians favoured Trump and Sanders over Hilary and had a small social media presence pushing their preferred candidates. So what exactly?
I think that that is quite a difficult line to maintain when Mueller continues to get indictments, pleas and some fairly hefty sentences.
Just a load of trumped up charges, mostly about lying during the investigation or completely unrelated matters. Which is what you expect if you look at any election spending too closely (I can't imagine what you would find if you investigated say the Clintons this thoroughly).
Someone please explain what is wrong with working with the Russians during the election?
It's all about getting Trump out of office because they don't like him and can't accept that he won the election.
It violates American law, such as the Foreign Agents Registration Act for starters.
But no one has been charged with anything regarding the Russian involvement. It's all things that have come to light during the investigation.
The Russian angle was just the excuse to investigate until they found something.
Are you based in St Petersburg?
Only there on contract. Resident of Cloud Cuckoo Land.
I disagree. The SNP is not benign, though it likes to give the impression it is. It has some very sinister undertones that are based on classical hatred themes that are so typical of nationalism and where it crosses into fascism. It also has a pretty unpleasant history with strong links to European fascism in the 30s. The bile that is spewed by the couple of SNP supporters that come on here if anyone criticises them is indicative. Irish nationalism, while its violence is repugnant, is based on a genuine history of repression and underrepresentation. Scottish nationalism cannot make this excuse. Scotland has been massively overrepresented in British government, and Scottish subjects were very strongly influential on the growth of the British Empire. Their victim status is contrived.
Not saying I have a particular soft spot for Scottish nationalism, and I will take on trust those comments about nastiness in the 1930s, I can believe it, and yes you are quite right that they were more partners in colonialism than victims of it, but - but but but - there is no way in my mind that a cause such as that, or say Catalonia, or the Kurds, this type of 'nationalism' ought to be viewed in the same light as Front National, BNP, AfD, Golden Dawn, these sorts of grisly and wholly reprehensible movements. I mean, Nicola Sturgeon or Martin Webster? Who are you going to take home to Mother?
Well, good points, but many things are on a continuum, and just because Nicola looks like the stunt double for Janette Krankie doesn't automatically mean should doesn't also enjoy dressing up in leather and singing songs about Scottish Lebensraum (only joking of course - though I have heard she is in talks with the Krankies in case Alex causes her to have her own "Downfall" moment.)
Robert Mueller's investigation has been methodical and very disciplined. The absence of leaks is striking, as is the way in which he seems to be plucking pieces off the board one at a time, slowly circling in to the centre. At every stage he's underpromised and overdelivered. That in turn creates a virtuous circle as those potentially in line seek to make sure of their own position.
We don't know what he knows, but equally obviously neither do any of those on team Trump, and none of them trust each other to know what might be out there. The panic is palpable.
I agree, he (and his team) have been sensationally good at their jobs so far.
I'd give it 5 years max 'till they make an Oscar contender out of this. Hmm, who to play Mueller? Baldwin as Trump, natch.
Robert Mueller's investigation has been methodical and very disciplined. The absence of leaks is striking, as is the way in which he seems to be plucking pieces off the board one at a time, slowly circling in to the centre. At every stage he's underpromised and overdelivered. That in turn creates a virtuous circle as those potentially in line seek to make sure of their own position.
We don't know what he knows, but equally obviously neither do any of those on team Trump...
That's not exactly true - for example, part of the reason for the fight over discovery and admissibility of the evidence seized in the Manafort raids was to give team Trump a view of what documentary evidence Mueller had (which explains the terms in which they were able to call the recent leak from SDNY prosecutors office "inaccurate"). And don't forget most of the players, including some of those indicted/convicted, are still in the 'joint defence agreement', so again, team Trump gets to know something of the evidence Mueller has on the minor players going through the system.
Two cheers. Ultimately some of the Norway supporters could be added to the figures as their position is not made impossible by voting for the deal, and they are not going to support no deal
If you look at the timing and circumstances, at least what is in the public domain, I would say that it does on the face of things 'imply' it - but of course this does not, in and of itself, meet the gold standard of proof beyond all reasonable doubt.
Perhaps Stone was doing a thousand things for Trump and getting dozens of "jolly well done, Rog!" text messages from his campaign every day. In which case it would be difficult to attribute this one to a particular set of leaks on Clinton.
But anyway, like Alex and Harvey and Kevin, like Rolf and Cliff and that Labour MP with the car trouble, innocent until proven guilty.
Hmm. You are still being too kind to the SNP. At the heart of Scottish nationalism is a burning hatred of the English, stemming from, and allied with, a deep inferiority complex vis-a-vis the Sassenachs, They have done well to build a facade of “civic nationalism” to disguise this, but it is still there, lurking. Down in the crypt.
Irish nationalism has similar demons in its past, but they have been largely exorcised by independence, and more lately by prosperity, to the extent that Ireland is now content to be run as a colony of Berlin and Brussels, as long as the money keeps coming in. A flavoursome irony.
Is this a submission for the "troll the most people in a single comment" award?
I disagree. The SNP is not benign, though it likes to give the impression it is. It has some very sinister undertones that are based on classical hatred themes that are so typical of nationalism and where it crosses into fascism. It also has a pretty unpleasant history with strong links to European fascism in the 30s. The bile that is spewed by the couple of SNP supporters that come on here if anyone criticises them is indicative. Irish nationalism, while its violence is repugnant, is based on a genuine history of repression and underrepresentation. Scottish nationalism cannot make this excuse. Scotland has been massively overrepresented in British government, and Scottish subjects were very strongly influential on the growth of the British Empire. Their victim status is contrived.
Not saying I have a particular soft spot for Scottish nationalism, and I will take on trust those comments about nastiness in the 1930s, I can believe it, and yes you are quite right that they were more partners in colonialism than victims of it, but - but but but - there is no way in my mind that a cause such as that, or say Catalonia, or the Kurds, this type of 'nationalism' ought to be viewed in the same light as Front National, BNP, AfD, Golden Dawn, these sorts of grisly and wholly reprehensible movements. I mean, Nicola Sturgeon or Martin Webster? Who are you going to take home to Mother?
Hmm. You are still being too kind to the SNP. At the heart of Scottish nationalism is a burning hatred of the English, stemming from, and allied with, a deep inferiority complex vis-a-vis the Sassenachs, They have done well to build a facade of “civic nationalism” to disguise this, but it is still there, lurking. Down in the crypt.
Irish nationalism has similar demons in its past, but they have been largely exorcised by independence, and more lately by prosperity, to the extent that Ireland is now content to be run as a colony of Berlin and Brussels, as long as the money keeps coming in. A flavoursome irony.
Agreed with all but the nonsense in the last bit about Ireland being a colony. They are no more a colony of the EU than we are of the United States. Rather Mark Francoisesque and grotesquely silly.
Two cheers. Ultimately some of the Norway supporters could be added to the figures as their position is not made impossible by voting for the deal, and they are not going to support no deal
Didn't the Tory Norway supporters already back the deal? So that's not much help.
Informative article - but I don't agree with your conclusion. The only deal which passes is one with Labour and Conservative votes, which must be a softer one to get Labour support.
May would have to break her red line on the customs union I think. And will she? I doubt it.
So: No Deal?
I just can’t see it. Parliament will go bonkers as No Deal approaches. MPs will swarm. Something will be passed. But a lot of damage will be done in the meantime.
It is also possible that the EU - or Ireland - will blink first.
I fear the EU/Ireland will blink first is the new German carmakers will ensure we get a good deal.
I disagree. The SNP is not benign, though it likes to give the impression it is. It has some very sinister undertones that are based on classical hatred themes that are so typical of nationalism and where it crosses into fascism. It also has a pretty unpleasant history with strong links to European fascism in the 30s. The bile that is spewed by the couple of SNP supporters that come on here if anyone criticises them is indicative. Irish nationalism, while its violence is repugnant, is based on a genuine history of repression and underrepresentation. Scottish nationalism cannot make this excuse. Scotland has been massively overrepresented in British government, and Scottish subjects were very strongly influential on the growth of the British Empire. Their victim status is contrived.
Not saying I have a particular soft spot for Scottish nationalism, and I will take on trust those comments about nastiness in the 1930s, I can believe it, and yes you are quite right that they were more partners in colonialism than victims of it, but - but but but - there is no way in my mind that a cause such as that, or say Catalonia, or the Kurds, this type of 'nationalism' ought to be viewed in the same light as Front National, BNP, AfD, Golden Dawn, these sorts of grisly and wholly reprehensible movements. I mean, Nicola Sturgeon or Martin Webster? Who are you going to take home to Mother?
Hmm. You are still being too kind to the SNP. At the heart of Scottish nationalism is a burning hatred of the English, stemming from, and allied with, a deep inferiority complex vis-a-vis the Sassenachs, They have done well to build a facade of “civic nationalism” to disguise this, but it is still there, lurking. Down in the crypt.
This is a direct quote from Barack Obama:
"And if over the course of what is going not be at least a two year negotiation between England and Europe, Great Britain ends up being affiliated to Europe like Norway is, the average person is not going not notice a big change."
There really ought to come a point when England can just surrender. This is torture and humiliation.
Stubborn defiance in the face of overwhelming odds is supposed to be a defining part of the English national character. We'll get them in singles. With one arm tied behind our backs.
At the very least it would be nice to see one of the top six score an obdurate century in defeat.
Developing the right attitude in response to English cricketing defeats such as this builds the national character that would be able to look a no deal Brexit in the eye and say that we all needed to lose a bit of weight anyway. If there is panic-buying it will be because cricket has been behind the Sky paywall since 2005.
I disagree. The SNP is not benign, though it likes to give the impression it is. It has some very sinister undertones that are based on classical hatred themes that are so typical of nationalism and where it crosses into fascism. It also has a pretty unpleasant history with strong links to European fascism in the 30s. The bile that is spewed by the couple of SNP supporters that come on here if anyone criticises them is indicative. Irish nationalism, while its violence is repugnant, is based on a genuine history of repression and underrepresentation. Scottish nationalism cannot make this excuse. Scotland has been massively overrepresented in British government, and Scottish subjects were very strongly influential on the growth of the British Empire. Their victim status is contrived.
Not saying I have a particular soft spot for Scottish nationalism, and I will take on trust those comments about nastiness in the 1930s, I can believe it, and yes you are quite right that they were more partners in colonialism than victims of it, but - but but but - there is no way in my mind that a cause such as that, or say Catalonia, or the Kurds, this type of 'nationalism' ought to be viewed in the same light as Front National, BNP, AfD, Golden Dawn, these sorts of grisly and wholly reprehensible movements. I mean, Nicola Sturgeon or Martin Webster? Who are you going to take home to Mother?
Hmm. You are still being too kind to the SNP. At the heart of Scottish nationalism is a burning hatred of the English, stemming from, and allied with, a deep inferiority complex vis-a-vis the Sassenachs, They have done well to build a facade of “civic nationalism” to disguise this, but it is still there, lurking. Down in the crypt.
This is a direct quote from Barack Obama:
"And if over the course of what is going not be at least a two year negotiation between England and Europe, Great Britain ends up being affiliated to Europe like Norway is, the average person is not going not notice a big change."
I disagree. The SNP is not benign, though it likes to give the impression it is. It has some very sinister undertones that are based on classical hatred themes that are so typical of nationalism and where it crosses into fascism. It also has a pretty unpleasant history with strong links to European fascism in the 30s. The bile that is spewed by the couple of SNP supporters that come on here if anyone criticises them is indicative. Irish nationalism, while its violence is repugnant, is based on a genuine history of repression and underrepresentation. Scottish nationalism cannot make this excuse. Scotland has been massively overrepresented in British government, and Scottish subjects were very strongly influential on the growth of the British Empire. Their victim status is contrived.
Not saying I have a particular soft spot for Scottish nationalism, and I will take on trust those comments about nastiness in the 1930s, I can believe it, and yes you are quite right that they were more partners in colonialism than victims of it, but - but but but - there is no way in my mind that a cause such as that, or say Catalonia, or the Kurds, this type of 'nationalism' ought to be viewed in the same light as Front National, BNP, AfD, Golden Dawn, these sorts of grisly and wholly reprehensible movements. I mean, Nicola Sturgeon or Martin Webster? Who are you going to take home to Mother?
Hmm. You are still being too kind to the SNP. At the heart of Scottish nationalism is a burning hatred of the English, stemming from, and allied with, a deep inferiority complex vis-a-vis the Sassenachs, They have done well to build a facade of “civic nationalism” to disguise this, but it is still there, lurking. Down in the crypt.
If you were Scottish, it's easy to see why you'd think something wasn't right with the current constitutional position.
Yes - why does a small, economically moribund region get such a generous budget and an expensive parliament when other regions don't.
There really ought to come a point when England can just surrender. This is torture and humiliation.
Stubborn defiance in the face of overwhelming odds is supposed to be a defining part of the English national character. We'll get them in singles. With one arm tied behind our backs.
At the very least it would be nice to see one of the top six score an obdurate century in defeat.
Developing the right attitude in response to English cricketing defeats such as this builds the national character that would be able to look a no deal Brexit in the eye and say that we all needed to lose a bit of weight anyway. If there is panic-buying it will be because cricket has been behind the Sky paywall since 2005.
A century? I think a cavalier 20 might be all that we can hope for.
Informative article - but I don't agree with your conclusion. The only deal which passes is one with Labour and Conservative votes, which must be a softer one to get Labour support.
May would have to break her red line on the customs union I think. And will she? I doubt it.
So: No Deal?
I just can’t see it. Parliament will go bonkers as No Deal approaches. MPs will swarm. Something will be passed. But a lot of damage will be done in the meantime.
It is also possible that the EU - or Ireland - will blink first.
The EU or May might blink, but if everyone holds firm, I think we will some kind of Grieve amendment passing that takes the decision out of her hands and revokes Article 50. So I still think there won't be a No Deal exit.
There really ought to come a point when England can just surrender. This is torture and humiliation.
Stubborn defiance in the face of overwhelming odds is supposed to be a defining part of the English national character. We'll get them in singles. With one arm tied behind our backs.
At the very least it would be nice to see one of the top six score an obdurate century in defeat.
Developing the right attitude in response to English cricketing defeats such as this builds the national character that would be able to look a no deal Brexit in the eye and say that we all needed to lose a bit of weight anyway. If there is panic-buying it will be because cricket has been behind the Sky paywall since 2005.
A century? I think a cavalier 20 might be all that we can hope for.
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https://www.justice.gov/file/1124706/download
12. After the July 22, 2016 release of stolen DNC emails by Organization 1, a senior Trump Campaign official was directed to contact STONE about any additional releases and what other damaging information Organization 1 had regarding the Clinton Campaign. STONE thereafter told the Trump Campaign about potential future releases of damaging material by Organization 1. 13. STONE also corresponded with associates about contacting Organization 1 in order to obtain additional emails damaging to the Clinton Campaign.
a. On or about July 25, 2016, STONE sent an email to Person 1 with the subject line, “Get to [the head of Organization 1].” The body of the message read, “Get to [the head of Organization 1] [a]t Ecuadorian Embassy in London and get the pending [Organization 1] emails . . . they deal with Foundation, allegedly.”...
When it is impossible to differentiate between Trots, idiotic nationalist, and some Brexit Tories you have to start re-evaluating stuff.
Honestly if I wanted to fuck business/ruin the British economy I would have joined the Labour party.
I mean nationalism in it’s original sense - national-ist, someone who believes in a world of nation states of those who share a common identity - rather than the 1930s polished jackboot kind.
https://twitter.com/janemerrick23/status/1088797106138243072
https://twitter.com/hugorifkind/status/1088797733421543424
Aux armes, citoyens!
https://www.bing.com/search?FORM=SLBRDF&pc=SL16&q=sympathy for the devil
Just brilliant.
The SNP, for example, I do not bracket with the BNP.
But thank you.
I so hope he's next.
Trump is mostly an entertaining front man*, this man is one of the dark forces behind him.
*Still terrible though.
The time is almost ripe. Soon the nation will welcome their new enormo-haddock overlords...
https://twitter.com/costareports/status/1088802056423526400
Both of them are playing in extremis to their own audience, although it’s hard to argue that Grieve isn’t doing so with much more sophistication.
Varadkar calls the army in
https://www.independent.ie/business/brexit/we-may-need-a-police-presence-an-army-presence-taoiseach-warns-of-troops-on-border-37748541.html
Perhaps Stone was doing a thousand things for Trump and getting dozens of "jolly well done, Rog!" text messages from his campaign every day. In which case it would be difficult to attribute this one to a particular set of leaks on Clinton.
But anyway, like Alex and Harvey and Kevin, like Rolf and Cliff and that Labour MP with the car trouble, innocent until proven guilty.
How does it feel?
To be all alone?
With your cover blown?
Your collusion shown?
A complete self-own?
Like a Roger Stone.
[stolen from twitter]
https://openeurope.org.uk/today/blog/crunching-the-numbers-is-there-a-parliamentary-majority-for-anything/
It must sting to be an ardent English nationalist with the surname francois.
We don't know what he knows, but equally obviously neither do any of those on team Trump, and none of them trust each other to know what might be out there. The panic is palpable.
May would have to break her red line on the customs union I think. And will she? I doubt it.
But I think there is still much of substance that is good about the country, even if the style is lacking and we are on the verge of doing damage to the substance.
And don't forget most of the players, including some of those indicted/convicted, are still in the 'joint defence agreement', so again, team Trump gets to know something of the evidence Mueller has on the minor players going through the system.
it is remarkably like a mob prosecution.
https://news.avclub.com/trump-advisor-roger-stone-keeps-tweeting-this-photo-of-1798263128
"And if over the course of what is going not be at least a two year negotiation between England and Europe, Great Britain ends up being affiliated to Europe like Norway is, the average person is not going not notice a big change."
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/president-obama-says-average-british-vote-wont-notice-difference-of-brexit_uk_577276ade4b0d257114a66c0
If you were Scottish, it's easy to see why you'd think something wasn't right with the current constitutional position.
At the very least it would be nice to see one of the top six score an obdurate century in defeat.
Developing the right attitude in response to English cricketing defeats such as this builds the national character that would be able to look a no deal Brexit in the eye and say that we all needed to lose a bit of weight anyway. If there is panic-buying it will be because cricket has been behind the Sky paywall since 2005.
Horses for courses.