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Marf’s cartoon deals with two of the major stories of the day, the fall out from Plebgate, and PMQs which was dominated with energy prices. Who would have thought when Andrew Mitchell resigned, there would be such a Sting, in the tail from the Fall Out, of his resignation.

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  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    First!
  • Two great cartoons in one day, Marf? You're spoiling us!
  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,759
    Just watched PMQ`s.Though Miliband came out on top,I didn`t think Cameron did too badly.

    But when Miliband pointed out that Sir John Major won a majority unlike the PM,boy,that would have stung!
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    I think Superman III and Gus Gorman was the first time I found out about computer programming. Fantastic film IMO.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited October 2013
    Wings Over Scotland ‏@WingsScotland

    "Unite called a strike over Labour internal politics. By the time the union woke up to reality, it was too late": http://wingsoverscotland.com/quoted-for-truth-32/
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    SMukesh said:

    Just watched PMQ`s.Though Miliband came out on top,I didn`t think Cameron did too badly.

    But when Miliband pointed out that Sir John Major won a majority unlike the PM,boy,that would have stung!

    It was the startling originality of the comment that shocked me. Forty-one months into the Parliament and we get side-swiped by this revelation. *yawn*

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Oh no, another giant photoshopped head poster. Cue 10,000 more posts...

    @JohnRentoul: Surely Labour should make its arguments, rather than claim a monopoly on compassion? http://t.co/VmcW4oq9Fn

    Or not

  • AndyJS said:

    I think Superman III and Gus Gorman was the first time I found out about computer programming. Fantastic film IMO.

    It's actually by far the weakest of the original Superman trilogy* (ie. Christopher Reeves). But I remember enjoying it as a kid very much!

    * well, Superman IV doesn't really count as it really was awful!
  • Aren't the Tories "Con"-men?

    :)
  • NextNext Posts: 826
    tim said:

    "Instead, Cameron had his worst quarter of an hour on the floor of the House of Commons, in which he failed completely to hold the attention of MPs as he read from a boring Labour briefing document. It will have done him no harm to have been told off by the Speaker for the use of the phrase “con man”, but for the first time he looked like a prime minister at bay, and his side knew it."

    John Rentoul, Cameron fan

    What are the odds on him going next year, I'll take 8/1 if anyone's offering

    Miliband piddled, while Grangemouth burned.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,301
    Scott_P said:

    Oh no, another giant photoshopped head poster. Cue 10,000 more posts...

    @JohnRentoul: Surely Labour should make its arguments, rather than claim a monopoly on compassion? http://t.co/VmcW4oq9Fn

    Or not

    The wreck of the Costa Cameron is still being salvaged.

  • Cameron will NEVER win a majority for the Tories.
  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536
    More convinced than ever that Ed should have a crack at the train companies next, given the response on the last thread. Many Tories also royally p--d off at them - that's the great thing about the consumer champion stuff - cuts across political divides.
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    Lol 14 and 15.

    PAGING NEIL.
  • R0bertsR0berts Posts: 391
    tim said:

    "Instead, Cameron had his worst quarter of an hour on the floor of the House of Commons, in which he failed completely to hold the attention of MPs as he read from a boring Labour briefing document. It will have done him no harm to have been told off by the Speaker for the use of the phrase “con man”, but for the first time he looked like a prime minister at bay, and his side knew it."

    John Rentoul, Cameron fan

    What are the odds on him going next year, I'll take 8/1 if anyone's offering

    Cameron is clearly - what's the phrase used on PB - "crap".

    The Tories might panic after a drubbing next May, but I think he's staying until the election.
  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,759
    GeoffM said:

    SMukesh said:

    Just watched PMQ`s.Though Miliband came out on top,I didn`t think Cameron did too badly.

    But when Miliband pointed out that Sir John Major won a majority unlike the PM,boy,that would have stung!

    It was the startling originality of the comment that shocked me. Forty-one months into the Parliament and we get side-swiped by this revelation. *yawn*

    I guess Miliband was holding it back and used it to devastating effect today.You could almost hear it hitting the target.

    Cameron didn`t expect it and never fully recovered.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    Tim Reid ‏@TimReidBBC

    Davey has told MPs that Ineos has advised Unite that it will reveal its findings into case re Stephen Deans later this week
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,847
    Great cartoon Marf!

    Link 18's too Geeky, even for me.

    Although Superman III still's not as mind-numbingly stupid as Independence Day's alien ships, which had just the right port and interface for a 1990s laptop to connect to. It was good of the aliens to be so helpful. In reality the heroes should still be up there nearly 20 years later, trying to find the correct cable to plug into the alien ship, only to realise they left it in the last hotel room.

    Unless you take the view that PC technology is reverse-engineered from the alien craft ...

    See:
    http://www.nngroup.com/articles/independence-day-interoperability/
  • GeoffM said:

    SMukesh said:

    Just watched PMQ`s.Though Miliband came out on top,I didn`t think Cameron did too badly.

    But when Miliband pointed out that Sir John Major won a majority unlike the PM,boy,that would have stung!

    It was the startling originality of the comment that shocked me. Forty-one months into the Parliament and we get side-swiped by this revelation. *yawn*

    Maybe because Sir John only really intervened this week rather than at any time in the last 41 months?
  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536

    Aren't the Tories "Con"-men?

    :)

    People forget that Sunil was, until recently, a Tory supporter. Why the change sir?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,847
    Bobajob said:

    More convinced than ever that Ed should have a crack at the train companies next, given the response on the last thread. Many Tories also royally p--d off at them - that's the great thing about the consumer champion stuff - cuts across political divides.

    What would 'having a crack' at the train companies involve?

    I must have missed the point when Labour stopped being a political party and became the intellectually-challenged little brother of Which ...
  • Bobajob said:

    Aren't the Tories "Con"-men?

    :)

    People forget that Sunil was, until recently, a Tory supporter. Why the change sir?
    Syria. I think the turning point was the Syria vote, if you go back to the PB threads from that week :)
  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536
    @Josias - have a look at my OP on this matter and let me know what you think. As a rail expert, I'm genuinely keen to hear your views sir.
  • R0bertsR0berts Posts: 391
    Bobajob said:

    More convinced than ever that Ed should have a crack at the train companies next, given the response on the last thread. Many Tories also royally p--d off at them - that's the great thing about the consumer champion stuff - cuts across political divides.

    Definitely. But he needs to work out the details, and choose the time and target carefully to make the most of it.

    There might be a problem with over-promising too, as he will be in power expected to deliver after the next election, and some things he won't be able to fix (he will inherit a bit of a mess from the Tories).
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453


    I must have missed the point when Labour stopped being a political party and became the intellectually-challenged little brother of Which ...

    You didn't see Watchdog? Should be on iPlayer...
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,112
    edited October 2013
    R0berts said:


    There might be a problem with over-promising too, as he will be in power expected to deliver after the next election, and some things he won't be able to fix (he will inherit a bit of a mess from the Tories).

    Yep, Balls may rue the day he asked for the OBR to adjudicate on election manifestos!
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    GeoffM said:

    SMukesh said:

    Just watched PMQ`s.Though Miliband came out on top,I didn`t think Cameron did too badly.

    But when Miliband pointed out that Sir John Major won a majority unlike the PM,boy,that would have stung!

    It was the startling originality of the comment that shocked me. Forty-one months into the Parliament and we get side-swiped by this revelation. *yawn*

    Maybe because Sir John only really intervened this week rather than at any time in the last 41 months?
    Not really. Variants of the "didn't get a majority" "didn't win an election" vs "DC became PM, so he won" and Major most-votes-ever comments etc etc have rumbled around on here like over-the-horizon First World War artillery bombardments since 2010. They flare up whenever Major says anything - which isn't often but is more frequent than people around here seem to be remembering right now.

  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,592
    Bobajob said:

    Aren't the Tories "Con"-men?

    :)

    People forget that Sunil was, until recently, a Tory supporter. Why the change sir?
    I assume the current posting is spoof no?
  • GeoffM said:

    GeoffM said:

    SMukesh said:

    Just watched PMQ`s.Though Miliband came out on top,I didn`t think Cameron did too badly.

    But when Miliband pointed out that Sir John Major won a majority unlike the PM,boy,that would have stung!

    It was the startling originality of the comment that shocked me. Forty-one months into the Parliament and we get side-swiped by this revelation. *yawn*

    Maybe because Sir John only really intervened this week rather than at any time in the last 41 months?
    Not really. Variants of the "didn't get a majority" "didn't win an election" vs "DC became PM, so he won" and Major most-votes-ever comments etc etc have rumbled around on here like over-the-horizon First World War artillery bombardments since 2010. They flare up whenever Major says anything - which isn't often but is more frequent than people around here seem to be remembering right now.

    So when did Sir John last make a public statement?
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    SMukesh said:

    GeoffM said:

    SMukesh said:

    Just watched PMQ`s.Though Miliband came out on top,I didn`t think Cameron did too badly.

    But when Miliband pointed out that Sir John Major won a majority unlike the PM,boy,that would have stung!

    It was the startling originality of the comment that shocked me. Forty-one months into the Parliament and we get side-swiped by this revelation. *yawn*

    I guess Miliband was holding it back and used it to devastating effect today.You could almost hear it hitting the target.

    Cameron didn`t expect it and never fully recovered.
    It wasn't an original line but his scriptwriters found a great place for it. It changed the tempo of the exchange, certainly. Although throwing something utterly irrelevant into a discussion often has that effect. Pineapples.

  • I've added link 19
  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536

    Bobajob said:

    Aren't the Tories "Con"-men?

    :)

    People forget that Sunil was, until recently, a Tory supporter. Why the change sir?
    Syria. I think the turning point was the Syria vote, if you go back to the PB threads from that week :)
    Yes, of course. Thanks
  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536
    GeoffM said:

    SMukesh said:

    GeoffM said:

    SMukesh said:

    Just watched PMQ`s.Though Miliband came out on top,I didn`t think Cameron did too badly.

    But when Miliband pointed out that Sir John Major won a majority unlike the PM,boy,that would have stung!

    It was the startling originality of the comment that shocked me. Forty-one months into the Parliament and we get side-swiped by this revelation. *yawn*

    I guess Miliband was holding it back and used it to devastating effect today.You could almost hear it hitting the target.

    Cameron didn`t expect it and never fully recovered.
    It wasn't an original line but his scriptwriters found a great place for it. It changed the tempo of the exchange, certainly. Although throwing something utterly irrelevant into a discussion often has that effect. Pineapples.

    Otters.

  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    Bobajob said:

    More convinced than ever that Ed should have a crack at the train companies next, given the response on the last thread. Many Tories also royally p--d off at them - that's the great thing about the consumer champion stuff - cuts across political divides.

    Why stop there? Go for Airlines too.

    They have an unfair advantage with fuel taxes over other forms of transport, and I'm not sure why I should be subsidising the budget holidays of the masses.

    I get so cross at having to pay a premium for a last minute booking, relative to the price of flights bought in advance.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Its true that Cameron has never won a tory majority like sir John.

    But then he's never been as completely and devastatingly routed as Sir John, either.

    Perhaps Dave should hold on to that thought.
  • I've added link 19

    Yebbut there was no Pakistani (or Bangladeshi) Army back then!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,734
    Re calling Labour socialists, I don't know if the Tories need be wary, I just maintain it would have little impact when most people have no genuine socialist global menace to link the accusation to.
  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,759
    Bobajob said:

    GeoffM said:

    SMukesh said:

    GeoffM said:

    SMukesh said:

    Just watched PMQ`s.Though Miliband came out on top,I didn`t think Cameron did too badly.

    But when Miliband pointed out that Sir John Major won a majority unlike the PM,boy,that would have stung!

    It was the startling originality of the comment that shocked me. Forty-one months into the Parliament and we get side-swiped by this revelation. *yawn*

    I guess Miliband was holding it back and used it to devastating effect today.You could almost hear it hitting the target.

    Cameron didn`t expect it and never fully recovered.
    It wasn't an original line but his scriptwriters found a great place for it. It changed the tempo of the exchange, certainly. Although throwing something utterly irrelevant into a discussion often has that effect. Pineapples.

    Otters.

    Nappies
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,592

    Bobajob said:

    More convinced than ever that Ed should have a crack at the train companies next, given the response on the last thread. Many Tories also royally p--d off at them - that's the great thing about the consumer champion stuff - cuts across political divides.

    I get so cross at having to pay a premium for a last minute booking, relative to the price of flights bought in advance.
    Yes, it is terribly annoying the way companies charge more for more valuable services.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,574
    taffys said:

    Its true that Cameron has never won a tory majority like sir John.

    But then he's never been as completely and devastatingly routed as Sir John, either.

    Perhaps Dave should hold on to that thought.

    He won't win a majority or lose to a majority I think
  • I've added link 19

    Yebbut there was no Pakistani (or Bangladeshi) Army back then!
    Do you know what happens when you lump Pakistanis with Indians on the internet?

    It's like trollbait.
  • R0bertsR0berts Posts: 391
    SMukesh said:

    Bobajob said:

    GeoffM said:

    SMukesh said:

    GeoffM said:

    SMukesh said:

    Just watched PMQ`s.Though Miliband came out on top,I didn`t think Cameron did too badly.

    But when Miliband pointed out that Sir John Major won a majority unlike the PM,boy,that would have stung!

    It was the startling originality of the comment that shocked me. Forty-one months into the Parliament and we get side-swiped by this revelation. *yawn*

    I guess Miliband was holding it back and used it to devastating effect today.You could almost hear it hitting the target.

    Cameron didn`t expect it and never fully recovered.
    It wasn't an original line but his scriptwriters found a great place for it. It changed the tempo of the exchange, certainly. Although throwing something utterly irrelevant into a discussion often has that effect. Pineapples.

    Otters.

    Nappies
    Nick Clegg.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,758
    Cameron dire in the Commons today.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    maaarsh said:


    Yes, it is terribly annoying the way companies charge more for more valuable services.

    In the socialist Utopia of Ed, companies will be free to charge as much as they like if there is an r in the month, but then they must freeze their prices, before raising them again as much as they like.

    Who wouldn't vote for that?
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    maaarsh said:

    Bobajob said:

    More convinced than ever that Ed should have a crack at the train companies next, given the response on the last thread. Many Tories also royally p--d off at them - that's the great thing about the consumer champion stuff - cuts across political divides.

    I get so cross at having to pay a premium for a last minute booking, relative to the price of flights bought in advance.
    Yes, it is terribly annoying the way companies charge more for more valuable services.
    Like train tickets at peak times, or 'the last minute'?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    The three police officers were talking to Andrew Mitchell. They accepted his apology. They admired his candour. They said that the next development would be an investigation by the Met into the conduct of the Downing St officers who’d traduced him. And then they called a halt to the meeting without ever going on to the reason they’d asked for it.

    Then they went outside and called for his resignation. Could anyone explain? Anyone?

    The response was, eventually: “Could you repeat the question?”
    http://order-order.com/2013/10/23/sketch-a-pilgrim-stitch-up/
  • Saw Rick Wakeman on Watchdog just now. Looks like he was travelling on the North Norfolk Railway.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,047
    Richard Nabavi should read the Spectator article (item3). They would appear to find his arguments even more ridiculous than I did which is saying something (the one about Cameron not having promoted a green agenda when in opposition)
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,592

    maaarsh said:

    Bobajob said:

    More convinced than ever that Ed should have a crack at the train companies next, given the response on the last thread. Many Tories also royally p--d off at them - that's the great thing about the consumer champion stuff - cuts across political divides.

    I get so cross at having to pay a premium for a last minute booking, relative to the price of flights bought in advance.
    Yes, it is terribly annoying the way companies charge more for more valuable services.
    Like train tickets at peak times, or 'the last minute'?
    Yes. I'm rather at a loss as to why it should be controversial that retaining flexibility by waiting until the last minute is not inherently valuable, which is why airlines can charge more for that privilege. If there was no value in waiting, you'd just book 6 months in advance and stop moaning.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,847
    Bobajob said:

    @Josias - have a look at my OP on this matter and let me know what you think. As a rail expert, I'm genuinely keen to hear your views sir.

    Thanks for the compliment, but sadly I'm not a rail expert, or involved in the industry in any way. I'm just a well-read gentleman amateur who talks to people, and my opinions should always be judged as such. :-)

    I've just read what I think is your OP on the previous thread, and I agree with the broad thrust. Ticketing is too complex on the privatised network. But tackling the issue is difficult, as the basic different ticket types do serve a purpose. I'd probably bore people by going into some of them. ;-)

    The best we could probably do is revert back to the BR days, which had things like supersaver, advance, off-peak etc. So it'd be an improvement, but far from your ideal. Even in those days, there were the hated 'permitted routes' clauses that require a PhD to understand.

    The government already looked into the issue (a report in 2011 from a study set up under Labour): the McNulty report - see section 4.6 of:
    https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/4203/realising-the-potential-of-gb-rail-summary.pdf

    I haven't seen a great deal of action on it.

    I suggest you read the detailed report if you have chronic insomnia.
  • I've added link 19

    Yebbut there was no Pakistani (or Bangladeshi) Army back then!
    Do you know what happens when you lump Pakistanis with Indians on the internet?

    It's like trollbait.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Indian_Army
  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536
    maaarsh said:

    Bobajob said:

    More convinced than ever that Ed should have a crack at the train companies next, given the response on the last thread. Many Tories also royally p--d off at them - that's the great thing about the consumer champion stuff - cuts across political divides.

    I get so cross at having to pay a premium for a last minute booking, relative to the price of flights bought in advance.
    Yes, it is terribly annoying the way companies charge more for more valuable services.
    We've already paid for that premium service through our taxes - the companies' surplus is not earned profit in a free market.

  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Tim Bale ‏@ProfTimBale
    This just in: #UKIP's official membership last week rose to 31,550. Must be hoping they'll meet the Tories going in the other direction...

    How is it that at certain times in the life of of union, they start committing sepuku with their own members as the main losers? It happened in Steel, Coal, the Docks and now it's starting in Energy supply and maintenance.
  • I've added link 19

    Yebbut there was no Pakistani (or Bangladeshi) Army back then!
    Do you know what happens when you lump Pakistanis with Indians on the internet?

    It's like trollbait.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Indian_Army
    My Great-Grandfather served in the British Indian Army during WW2.

    I have his medals.

    One of the oddities, that in both India and Pakistan, there's almost a sense of embarrassment that the largest volunteer Army in history, was made up of colonials, fighting for the British Empire and an Emperor.
  • A few days ago, looked into ticketing between London and the West Midlands. I saw the cheapest season ticket is via the London Midland service (slow, stopping trains, instead of the large, fast Pendolinos run by Virgin Trains). As you might expect, it's labelled "London Midland only".

    But there is another slightly higher fare referred to as "via Northampton". Hang on a minute! London Midland only go via Northampton! (Virgin take the faster route between Milton Keynes and Rugby that misses out Northampton)
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,734
    Scott_P said:

    The three police officers were talking to Andrew Mitchell. They accepted his apology. They admired his candour. They said that the next development would be an investigation by the Met into the conduct of the Downing St officers who’d traduced him. And then they called a halt to the meeting without ever going on to the reason they’d asked for it.

    Then they went outside and called for his resignation. Could anyone explain? Anyone?

    The response was, eventually: “Could you repeat the question?”
    http://order-order.com/2013/10/23/sketch-a-pilgrim-stitch-up/

    What a pathetic bunch of officers, really. Their whole defence is really, 'we didn't mean to mislead anyone and contribute to getting a senior government figure fired' as if that in anyway absolves them of the fact that they did commit that act? Even if we are to believe their accounts they are either hopelessly, incompetently stupid or willfully reckless. Despicable.
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,592
    edited October 2013
    Bobajob said:

    maaarsh said:

    Bobajob said:

    More convinced than ever that Ed should have a crack at the train companies next, given the response on the last thread. Many Tories also royally p--d off at them - that's the great thing about the consumer champion stuff - cuts across political divides.

    I get so cross at having to pay a premium for a last minute booking, relative to the price of flights bought in advance.
    Yes, it is terribly annoying the way companies charge more for more valuable services.
    We've already paid for that premium service through our taxes - the companies' surplus is not earned profit in a free market.

    Do you really need me to explain how you're conflating two unconnected points.

    Is subsidy bad? I'm sure you could have a debate.

    Entirely different point from - is retaining my flexibility valuable - unequivocally yes.

    Regardless of the base price, and the level of subsidy, as long as flexibility is valuable to the consumer and reduces efficiency for the provider, it is reasonable, sensible and efficiency for the service provider to induce people to give up their flexibility in return for a lower price.
  • A few days ago, looked into ticketing between London and the West Midlands. I saw the cheapest season ticket is via the London Midland service (slow, stopping trains, instead of the large, fast Pendolinos run by Virgin Trains). As you might expect, it's labelled "London Midland only".

    But there is another slightly higher fare referred to as "via Northampton". Hang on a minute! London Midland only go via Northampton! (Virgin take the faster route between Milton Keynes and Rugby that misses out Northampton)

    Always go Virgin, Midland trains suck.

    Virgin Trains = Depeche Mode

    Midland Trains = Justin Bieber
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,592
    Arguing whether this represents a massive u-turn for Cameron seems rather pointless- either way, and which way is quite obvious, Cameron will be lucky if he can get a reasonable proportion of the electorate to remember his current position, let alone the old one.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,734
    edited October 2013
    Godsamned bloody plebgate:

    They told MPs that they stood by their "accurate" account of a meeting with Mr Mitchell in October 2012.

    What in the holy name of hell?! I like to think I can understand the internal logic of a position I disagree with very well, it's one reason I find it hard to get so riled up against or fervently in favour of most policies, but I am finding it hard to fathom what new information or interpretation I could receive to make me understand how that statement could be spoken with a straight face and honest intent, and yet I presume they have convinced themselves of it somehow. I just cannot figure it out.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24629610

    Interesting transcipt quote:

    Detective Sergeant Stuart Hinton of Warwickshire Police : "... but if an officer has written those words in his pocket notebook or in a report and they are false then that is actually a very serious misconduct issue... their integrity is no longer intact."

    I guess the same doesn't apply if an officer says something false out loud to journalists rather than write them in a note book then?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    kle4 said:


    What a pathetic bunch of officers, really. Their whole defence is really, 'we didn't mean to mislead anyone and contribute to getting a senior government figure fired' as if that in anyway absolves them of the fact that they did commit that act? Even if we are to believe their accounts they are either hopelessly, incompetently stupid or willfully reckless. Despicable.

    Their performance certainly did not inspire confidence in the Police.

    Perhaps my favourite bit was Julian Huppert asking about their media strategy, which they claimed not to have.

    Except one of them didn't speak in the meeting, but was the spokesman afterwards.

    Which they had decided in the car on the way to the meeting.

    When their media consultant was taking calls from the press.

    Who they didn't know were going to be there.

    Awesome.
  • I've added link 19

    Yebbut there was no Pakistani (or Bangladeshi) Army back then!
    Do you know what happens when you lump Pakistanis with Indians on the internet?

    It's like trollbait.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Indian_Army
    My Great-Grandfather served in the British Indian Army during WW2.

    I have his medals.

    One of the oddities, that in both India and Pakistan, there's almost a sense of embarrassment that the largest volunteer Army in history, was made up of colonials, fighting for the British Empire and an Emperor.
    You should be proud TSE! Nearest I can manage in my family is that my uncle served as Dar Es Salaam deputy police commissioner, albeit long after the war!

    Yes, the volunteer army was 2.5 million strong. But, BUT, I reckon it would have been 10 million strong if the Brits, I mean the British - sorry! - had made it widely known that according to Hitler's racial theories the Indians were "Asiatic Jugglers" who needed the British rule, AND that Germany and Japan had plans to carve up India between them, almost "ironically" along the modern Indo-Pak frontier - though admittedly the latter was less well known at the time.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Order_(Nazism)#Hitler.27s_plans_for_India
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_power_negotiations_on_the_division_of_Asia_during_World_War_II


  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,192
    I have to say that Hopi Sen does a much better job for Cameron than, err, Cameron did today.

    The Blairites are not quite dead yet.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    maaarsh said:

    Cameron will be lucky if he can get a reasonable proportion of the electorate to remember his current position, let alone the old one.

    This is the point that Danny Finkelstein makes in his column today.

    Almost none of the voting public has any idea what happened at PMQs today. They might start in a little over a year from now

    Polling support for 'an energy price freeze' is 6 points higher than support for 'Ed Miliband's price freeze'

    Nobody is listening to politicians most of the time, except other politicians.

    And us.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053

    Cameron will NEVER win a majority for the Tories.

    We all know that, so why aren't you in UKIP instead of hanging on tho Ed's coatails?

  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    FPT

    AveryLP said:

    fitalass said:

    And Ed Miliband was too busy enjoying PMQ's to raise the most important news of the day, Grangemouth.

    And Cameron gets 'Con-man' on the 6 o'clock news....twice.....

    If Grangemouth had been a residential park in Primrose Hill, if would have formed the substance of all six questions to the Prime Minister.

    Dear me Avery that's the sort of thing I might have said, you seem to be getting as cynical as Cousin Seth.

    And I must say I was surprised you didn't reply to my criticism of your 'knowledge' of the trade balance.

    I was hoping for at least one yellow box.


    ar

    I did reply to your trade balance post but it was unceremoniously ripped from PB's womb by Moderator with a stern warning not to embed charts. Moderator was so upset that the post was deleted entirely with a promise to similarly murder all unborn thoughts in future.

    Anyway, here is the offending child but this time presented as a URL:

    http://s11.postimg.org/y9i8o2y3n/united_kingdom_balance_of_trade.png

    The post didn't say much beyond stating that the post war performance of the UK's balance of trade has not really impressed at any stage: flatlining to the the seventies then picking up to form two peaks coinciding with the corresponding twin oil price/extraction volume peaks.

    There is a small upturn at the moment overcoming the accelerating decline in oil and gas but it will be along and bumpy journey to a surplus.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    SeanT said:


    That's a brilliant piece of journalism by Simon Carr. Why on earth is he reduced to blogging for Guido?

    New media, innit? The dead tree press is, well, dead. Print is gone, the web is where it's at. Higher profile, bigger fees, fame and fortune.

    You could write a blog about it. For The Telegraph...
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @afneil: Grangemouth supplies Scotland with 80% of its fuel. If the refinery stays closed for long it will need imports from England.

    Probably the only excuse Eck needs to nationalise.

    FREEEEEEDOMMMMMMM!
  • tim said:

    In a crowded market of fake Daves which is your favourite?

    Frothy Guinness

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/10/08/article-0-0B888844000005DC-33_634x422.jpg

    The Baby positioning wins it I think

    Pimping Brooke

    http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/David+Cameron+Brooke+Kinsella+David+Cameron+vP2ukMzsfswl.jpg

    The furrowed brow is special

    He's wondering whether dna testing would put the parentage beyond doubt.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,734
    SeanT said:

    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:

    The three police officers were talking to Andrew Mitchell. They accepted his apology. They admired his candour. They said that the next development would be an investigation by the Met into the conduct of the Downing St officers who’d traduced him. And then they called a halt to the meeting without ever going on to the reason they’d asked for it.

    Then they went outside and called for his resignation. Could anyone explain? Anyone?

    The response was, eventually: “Could you repeat the question?”
    http://order-order.com/2013/10/23/sketch-a-pilgrim-stitch-up/
    That's a brilliant piece of journalism by Simon Carr. Why on earth is he reduced to blogging for Guido? He is far better than the Times parliamentary correspondent, the absurd Ann Trenwhatever,

    Also: wow. Plebgate. Yes. These policemen should go to jail, for quite long periods of time. They lied and connived to bring down a government Minister; that's not just a sackable offence, that is borderline treacherous. Astonishing.
    Indeed. I tend to make the point that while the whole affair, as it now appears (accepting the possibility new facts might make it appear not so bad, although that seems doubtful), is not the most despicable thing the police have ever done in this country in recent times, sadly, it very much is, whether an outright conspiracy or, more likely, a group of people indivudally deciding to use the situation for their own ends and ending up in an escalating coverup, it very much is among the most sinister of police misconducts, as the heights to which they felt no shame in bringing down a government minister should fill everyone with fear as to what officers in a similar bind might do to an ordinary person.

    I will thank the affair for introducing the word 'traduced' into my vocabulary though.

    If they are not lying idiots, those police officers, really quite senior figures, should be a lot more convincing though - we expect senior politicians to be good communicators and spinners, and senior police figures should at the least be able to articulate a convincing sounding argument.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453


    He's wondering whether dna testing would put the parentage beyond doubt.

    Has the father signed the birth certificate?
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    tim said:

    In a crowded market of fake Daves which is your favourite?

    Frothy Guinness

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/10/08/article-0-0B888844000005DC-33_634x422.jpg

    The Baby positioning wins it I think

    Pimping Brooke

    http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/David+Cameron+Brooke+Kinsella+David+Cameron+vP2ukMzsfswl.jpg

    The furrowed brow is special

    Tim's making me feel sorry for Cameron.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,734
    tim said:

    In a crowded market of fake Daves which is your favourite?

    Frothy Guinness

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/10/08/article-0-0B888844000005DC-33_634x422.jpg

    The Baby positioning wins it I think

    Pimping Brooke

    http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/David+Cameron+Brooke+Kinsella+David+Cameron+vP2ukMzsfswl.jpg

    The furrowed brow is special

    The Guiness one is something special. I still have plenty of time for David Cameron generally, but he looks like he has been swapped out for a cardboard cutout of himself in that shot.

    The great thing about embarrasing politician photos is how easy they are to find on any senior figure of course. Good times.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    "Perhaps the key figure in the dispute, Stephen Deans, is the convener for Unite in Scotland.

    Unite started its industrial action earlier this month over what it says is the victimisation of Mr Deans, who has worked at the Ineos plant for more than 20 years.

    Ineos accused him of contravening company policies as part of his work as former chair of the Labour Party in Falkirk.

    He was suspended from Ineos in the summer in connection with his Labour Party activities, essentially accused of campaigning on work premises."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-24640133
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,829
    MikeK said:

    Cameron will NEVER win a majority for the Tories.

    We all know that, so why aren't you in UKIP instead of hanging on tho Ed's coatails?

    It's just possible that Sunil doesn't agree with all of UKIP's policies.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    kle4 said:


    Indeed. I tend to make the point that while the whole affair, as it now appears (accepting the possibility new facts might make it appear not so bad, although that seems doubtful), is not the most despicable thing the police have ever done in this country in recent times, sadly, it very much is, whether an outright conspiracy or, more likely, a group of people indivudally deciding to use the situation for their own ends and ending up in an escalating coverup, it very much is among the most sinister of police misconducts, as the heights to which they felt no shame in bringing down a government minister should fill everyone with fear as to what officers in a similar bind might do to an ordinary person.

    No one should doubt the gravity of these events that present a challenge to our core democratic values. Police officers colluded to smear a cabinet member, seemingly in pursuit of their own political agenda, while their superiors simply shrugged their shoulders. The widespread anger in Westminster is entirely justified, while the performance of the police and their watchdog in the home affairs select committee this afternoon with an admission by Jerry Reakes-Williams, the professional standards officer for West Mercia police, that the public was misled will have done little to inspire public confidence.
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/oct/23/andrew-mitchell-britain-police-problem
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382

    tim said:

    In a crowded market of fake Daves which is your favourite?

    Frothy Guinness

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/10/08/article-0-0B888844000005DC-33_634x422.jpg

    The Baby positioning wins it I think

    Pimping Brooke

    http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/David+Cameron+Brooke+Kinsella+David+Cameron+vP2ukMzsfswl.jpg

    The furrowed brow is special

    Tim's making me feel sorry for Cameron.

    Same here ,just catching up on the threads I knew it was bad, when the ultra scottish female defender of all thing dave,was posting furiously that it was terrible for ED at lunch time instead of 2 in the morning.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited October 2013
    Amusing that the scottish tory surger is still making excuses for his chums in scotish labour.
    Andrew Neil ‏@afneil

    Quite remarkable that 25 mins into PMQs and no mention of Grangemouth. And much of energy is a reserved Westminster power.

    Andrew Neil ‏@afneil

    Labour MP Eric Joyce describes Unite's handling of Grangemouth negotiations as a "shambles".
    FAAAAAAALLKKIIIIRRRRK!

    LOL


  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    kle4 said:

    The great thing about embarrasing politician photos is how easy they are to find on any senior figure of course. Good times.

    Indeed! Have we linked to this recently? awkwardedmilibandmoments.tumblr.com/

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    "Perhaps the key figure in the dispute, Stephen Deans, is the convener for Unite in Scotland.
    Unite started its industrial action earlier this month over what it says is the victimisation of Mr Deans, who has worked at the Ineos plant for more than 20 years.
    Ineos accused him of contravening company policies as part of his work as former chair of the Labour Party in Falkirk.
    He was suspended from Ineos in the summer in connection with his Labour Party activities, essentially accused of campaigning on work premises."

    Remember, Falkirk is Brilliant news for Ed. Nothing but good can come of it.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,734
    edited October 2013
    SeanT said:

    kle4 said:

    SeanT said:

    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:

    The three police officers were talking to Andrew Mitchell. They accepted his apology. They admired his candour. They said that the next development would be an investigation by the Met into the conduct of the Downing St officers who’d traduced him. And then they called a halt to the meeting without ever going on to the reason they’d asked for it.

    Then they went outside and called for his resignation. Could anyone explain? Anyone?

    The response was, eventually: “Could you repeat the question?”
    http://order-order.com/2013/10/23/sketch-a-pilgrim-stitch-up/
    That's a brilliant piece of journalism by Simon Carr. Why on earth is he reduced to blogging for Guido? He is far better than the Times parliamentary correspondent, the absurd Ann Trenwhatever,

    Also: wow. Plebgate. Yes. These policemen should go to jail, for quite long periods of time. They lied and connived to bring down a government Minister; that's not just a sackable offence, that is borderline treacherous. Astonishing.
    Indeed.
    If they are not lying idiots, those police officers, really quite senior figures, should be a lot more convincing though - we expect senior politicians to be good communicators and spinners, and senior police figures should at the least be able to articulate a convincing sounding argument.
    I agree with every word (though I'd have used more paragraphing).

    Well I'm not the professional writer of course. My unique sentence constructon and use of parentheticals is legendary in some circles. I'm working on it.
  • Life_ina_market_townLife_ina_market_town Posts: 2,319
    edited October 2013
    SeanT said:

    Also: wow. Plebgate. Yes. These policemen should go to jail, for quite long periods of time. They lied and connived to bring down a government Minister; that's not just a sackable offence, that is borderline treacherous. Astonishing.

    It's doubtful that the conduct of the West Midlands officers could have amounted to an offence in law. It is far from certain that they were acting in their capacity as public officials at the time. The Court of Appeal has recently given guidance on the subject in R v Cosford [2013] 2 Cr App R 8. Giving the judgment of the court, Leveson LJ (as he then was) stated at (p. 87) that the question
    'should be addressed to the nature of the duty undertaken and, in particular, whether it is a public duty in the sense that it represents the fulfilment of one of the responsibilities of government such that the public have a significant interest in its discharge extending beyond an interest in anyone who might be directly affected by a serious failure in the performance of the duty.'
    It is difficult to argue that the duties of a Police Federation representative fall within what the court considered to be a public duty. The course of justice certainly wasn't engaged in the West Midlands case, and there have been no prosecutions for treason or treason felony since 1945.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,192
    kle4 said:

    SeanT said:

    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:


    Then they went outside and called for his resignation. Could anyone explain? Anyone?

    The response was, eventually: “Could you repeat the question?”
    http://order-order.com/2013/10/23/sketch-a-pilgrim-stitch-up/
    That's a brilliant piece of journalism by Simon Carr. Why on earth is he reduced to blogging for Guido? He is far better than the Times parliamentary correspondent, the absurd Ann Trenwhatever,

    Also: wow. Plebgate. Yes. These policemen should go to jail, for quite long periods of time. They lied and connived to bring down a government Minister; that's not just a sackable offence, that is borderline treacherous. Astonishing.
    Indeed. I tend to make the point that while the whole affair, as it now appears (accepting the possibility new facts might make it appear not so bad, although that seems doubtful), is not the most despicable thing the police have ever done in this country in recent times, sadly, it very much is, whether an outright conspiracy or, more likely, a group of people indivudally deciding to use the situation for their own ends and ending up in an escalating coverup, it very much is among the most sinister of police misconducts, as the heights to which they felt no shame in bringing down a government minister should fill everyone with fear as to what officers in a similar bind might do to an ordinary person.

    I will thank the affair for introducing the word 'traduced' into my vocabulary though.

    If they are not lying idiots, those police officers, really quite senior figures, should be a lot more convincing though - we expect senior politicians to be good communicators and spinners, and senior police figures should at the least be able to articulate a convincing sounding argument.


    Is Simon Carr not with the Indy anymore? When I decided I just could not take one more dead seagull on the front page of my paper he was the one regret I had about what I was leaving behind.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Yorkcity said:

    tim said:

    In a crowded market of fake Daves which is your favourite?

    Frothy Guinness

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/10/08/article-0-0B888844000005DC-33_634x422.jpg

    The Baby positioning wins it I think

    Pimping Brooke

    http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/David+Cameron+Brooke+Kinsella+David+Cameron+vP2ukMzsfswl.jpg

    The furrowed brow is special

    Tim's making me feel sorry for Cameron.

    Same here ,just catching up on the threads I knew it was bad, when the ultra scottish female defender of all thing dave,was posting furiously that it was terrible for ED at lunch time instead of 2 in the morning.
    Two different ways of feeling sorry for him,yours is because he got showed up,mine is because of tim's/pb labours non stop bull ;-)
  • MikeK said:

    Cameron will NEVER win a majority for the Tories.

    We all know that, so why aren't you in UKIP instead of hanging on tho Ed's coatails?

    Comrade Godfrey!

    I would love it if UKIP topped the poll at the Euro Election next year!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,734
    edited October 2013
    ...there have been no prosecutions for treason or treason felony since 1945.

    Even with all those people who were caught spying for the Russians? Interesting.

    What's the sentence for treason, in theory anyway?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    It is difficult to argue that the duties of a Police Federation representative fall within what the court considered to be a public duty.

    So you're saying it's OK for a serving police officer to (allegedly) lie to bring down a cabinet minister, as long as they were doing it during their facility time as a representative of the Federation?
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    My favourite is "pointing at squid"

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/files/2013/07/cameron-fish-431x288.jpg

    Though Ed Miliband Ice cream van interview is nearly its equal:

    http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1119035/thumbs/r-ED-MILIBAND-FUNNY-large570.jpg?5
    tim said:

    In a crowded market of fake Daves which is your favourite?

    Frothy Guinness

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/10/08/article-0-0B888844000005DC-33_634x422.jpg

    The Baby positioning wins it I think

    Pimping Brooke

    http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/David+Cameron+Brooke+Kinsella+David+Cameron+vP2ukMzsfswl.jpg

    The furrowed brow is special

  • Mick_Pork said:

    Amusing that the scottish tory surger is still making excuses for his chums in scotish labour.

    Andrew Neil ‏@afneil

    Quite remarkable that 25 mins into PMQs and no mention of Grangemouth. And much of energy is a reserved Westminster power.

    Andrew Neil ‏@afneil

    Labour MP Eric Joyce describes Unite's handling of Grangemouth negotiations as a "shambles".
    FAAAAAAALLKKIIIIRRRRK!

    LOL




    Mick , you're full of good sense.

    How would you resolve the Grangemouth impasse ?

  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    MikeK said:

    Cameron will NEVER win a majority for the Tories.

    We all know that, so why aren't you in UKIP instead of hanging on tho Ed's coatails?

    Comrade Godfrey!

    I would love it if UKIP topped the poll at the Euro Election next year!
    Even above labour ?

  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited October 2013
    @kle4

    I will thank the affair for introducing the word 'traduced' into my vocabulary though.

    'Traduce' has a great heritage in our language, kle4.

    It appears in Othello's "I did the state some service and they know't" speech. A highly topical use:

    Set you down this;
    And say besides, that in Aleppo once,
    Where a malignant and a turban'd Turk
    Beat a Venetian and traduced the state,
    I took by the throat the circumcised dog,
    And smote him, thus.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,734

    My favourite is "pointing at squid"

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/files/2013/07/cameron-fish-431x288.jpg

    Though Ed Miliband Ice cream van interview is nearly its equal:

    http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1119035/thumbs/r-ED-MILIBAND-FUNNY-large570.jpg?5


    tim said:

    In a crowded market of fake Daves which is your favourite?

    Frothy Guinness

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/10/08/article-0-0B888844000005DC-33_634x422.jpg

    The Baby positioning wins it I think

    Pimping Brooke

    http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/David+Cameron+Brooke+Kinsella+David+Cameron+vP2ukMzsfswl.jpg

    The furrowed brow is special

    I'm boring I'm afraid - there's something about how happy he seems in it that makes the David M banana photo special for me.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    Bobajob said:

    Aren't the Tories "Con"-men?

    :)

    People forget that Sunil was, until recently, a Tory supporter. Why the change sir?
    Sunil is in the second year of his SMIP course at MGU (Moscow State University).

    It requires him to practice double agency through a work in the community initiative.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,192
    SeanT said:

    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    SeanT said:

    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:


    Then they went outside and called for his resignation. Could anyone explain? Anyone?

    The response was, eventually: “Could you repeat the question?”
    http://order-order.com/2013/10/23/sketch-a-pilgrim-stitch-up/
    That's a brilliant piece of journalism by Simon Carr. Why on earth is he reduced to blogging for Guido? He is far better than the Times parliamentary correspondent, the absurd Ann Trenwhatever,

    Also: wow. Plebgate. Yes. These policemen should go to jail, for quite long periods of time. They lied and connived to bring down a government Minister; that's not just a sackable offence, that is borderline treacherous. Astonishing.
    Indeed
    If they are not lying idiots, those police officers, really quite senior figures, should be a lot more convincing though - we expect senior politicians to be good communicators and spinners, and senior police figures should at the least be able to articulate a convincing sounding argument.
    Is Simon Carr not with the Indy anymore? When I decided I just could not take one more dead seagull on the front page of my paper he was the one regret I had about what I was leaving behind.
    Carr was very good because you could never be sure of his own political opinions. I'm guessing he is slightly to the right, but it is uncertain. He could also be woundingly nasty in a dry and witty way.

    Wasted on the Indy. But blogging for Guido?!

    *professional sigh*

    In my opinion he has been the best sketch writer of the Commons for the last 10 years. Bitingly funny but usually with a point as well. It is remarkable one of the major papers did not pick him up.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,192
    edited October 2013
    Good lord Moyes has won a game. Only just mind.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited October 2013
    Great news for Berlusconi's foolish fascist fans.
    Abbaleksandr ‏@abbaleksandr 1m

    Silvio Berlusconi to face another trial for corruption | euronews, world news http://www.euronews.com/2013/10/23/silvio-berlusconi-to-face-another-trial-for-corruption/
  • SeanT said:

    I bow, sincerely, to your obviously superior legal knowledge, but how can three policemen lying and conspiring, so as to bring down a minister, NOT be a criminal offence?

    If that is the case, the law is an ass.

    If they did so while acting in their capacity as public officials, and their wilful misconduct was such to cause public trust in the office to be abused, then that is indictable at common law. If they weren't acting in their capacities as public officials, then it is a matter for internal police discipline. After all, if it were a crime for an ordinary citizen to conspire to bring down government ministers by deception, then nearly every political journalist and opposition politician in the last century would have been sent down!

    The alleged behaviour at Downing Street is different, as police officers were undoubtedly acting in their capacity as Crown agents for at least part of the time.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,734
    Mick_Pork said:

    Great news for Berlusconi's foolish fascist fans.

    Abbaleksandr ‏@abbaleksandr 1m

    Silvio Berlusconi to face another trial for corruption | euronews, world news http://www.euronews.com/2013/10/23/silvio-berlusconi-to-face-another-trial-for-corruption/
    Aw, making fun of Berlusconi's legal troubles used to be very enjoyable, but now he actually seems to be losing a lot of them it's just increasingly sad. He looks so down a lot of the time, the poor persecuted billionaire.
  • Life_ina_market_townLife_ina_market_town Posts: 2,319
    edited October 2013
    kle4 said:

    Even with all those people who were caught spying for the Russians? Interesting.

    What's the sentence for treason, in theory anyway?

    Most offences of espionage are today charged against the Official Secrets Acts 1911 to 1989. Blunt was given a pardon for his sins. The penalty for treason has been liability to imprisonment for life since 1998, when the death penalty was abolished. A traitor also forfeits any public office they hold upon conviction.
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382

    Yorkcity said:

    tim said:

    In a crowded market of fake Daves which is your favourite?

    Frothy Guinness

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/10/08/article-0-0B888844000005DC-33_634x422.jpg

    The Baby positioning wins it I think

    Pimping Brooke

    http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/David+Cameron+Brooke+Kinsella+David+Cameron+vP2ukMzsfswl.jpg

    The furrowed brow is special

    Tim's making me feel sorry for Cameron.

    Same here ,just catching up on the threads I knew it was bad, when the ultra scottish female defender of all thing dave,was posting furiously that it was terrible for ED at lunch time instead of 2 in the morning.
    Two different ways of feeling sorry for him,yours is because he got showed up,mine is because of tim's/pb labours non stop bull ;-)
    True, my father is a big conservative and keeps saying regarding PM, Dave looks the part but isn`t .Ed does not look the part but he might just be another Wilson.
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