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    TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262

    Re Grangemouth

    Am I the only person who admires the 'Grangemouth at night' pictures ?

    Such as the one here:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-24542903

    Grangemouth tonight.

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/99/Black_square.jpg

    The Unite effect.
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    corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    GeoffM said:

    corporeal said:

    GeoffM said:

    corporeal said:

    jayfdee said:

    AndyJS said:

    At Grangemouth there's going to be about 1,000 people on the dole instead of being employed, albeit on lower pensions, etc. Imigrants from poor countries desperate for work must be must be looking on with amazement.

    Absolutely,this is what globalisation does....
    I have worked with some amazingly protected companies,but when they were faced with global competition,they fell apart. One made 30% of the workforce redundant,and no one noticed the difference.
    On rail fares ,nobody subsidises my gas guzzler,why do I subsidise the rail users,let the fares rise to their true economic cost.
    No doubt some wise PB er will tell me my gas guzzler is being subsidised by the state.
    I also have a bus pass and enjoy using it just for the sport,but can't help but notice that almost everyone on board is on a free pass after 10.00am,so the bus companies are also being hugely subsidised.

    Off the top of my head roads are paid for by general taxation.
    Isn't there some theoretical hypothecation with Road Tax?

    Not since the 30s I think.
    I'll take your word for that, thanks. Actually I'll look it up just out of random interest. It was abolished over here about 10 years ago as part of a tax simplification effort.

    EDIT: You are on the money tonight with the pub trivia. Spot on - 1937 to be precise. Thanks again. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_Excise_Duty

    I'm something of a cyclist (although haven't been doing much recently) so the point that we pay for the roads as much as every other user does is one we hold onto firmly.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,101
    dr_spyn said:

    Unite go forth and multiplied the job losses - not our fault...just like the unions in shipbuilding, steel, cars in the 60s and 70s.

    http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/grangemouth-petrochemical-plant-closure-is-catastrophic-says-unite/

    Salmond was hinting on WATO that the stumbling block in the negotiations was not the terms & conditions - I wonder if it was the disciplinary action against the UNITE official/employee involved in Falkirk that proved to be the straw that broke the camel's back?
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,647

    Carola said:

    Re Grangemouth

    Am I the only person who admires the 'Grangemouth at night' pictures ?

    Such as the one here:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-24542903

    No. I'm with you on that. I particularly like cranes. I've always fancied working at a busy docks, wearing a high-viz vest and pointing at containers. And stuff.

    Moggster. Lol.
    For a minute I thought you said trains :)
    You can combine the two...
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crane_(railroad)
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    I wonder if it was the disciplinary action against the UNITE official/employee involved in Falkirk that proved to be the straw that broke the camel's back?

    If true.....goodness.
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Only people after money, as you say, which is why they deserve a good old fashioned shoeing.

    Or whatever the politically correct equivalent is. A talking to about their attitudes and moral compass with a team of counsellors. Followed by a good shoeing.

    A 'concerned neighbour' went to a journalist from the TV3 channel which then went to the police.

    Who the hell goes to a TV station first, unless they were looking for a payment?

    tim said:

    Siobhán Dowling ‏@SiobhanDowling 22m
    Yes, Roma can have blonde children: DNA test proves girl (7) belongs to Roma family in Ireland. http://shar.es/IarwE via


    By the logic of the tabloids thats "bad news for the parents of Maddie and Ben"

    Jesus Christ.

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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 50,005
    edited October 2013
    Went to the novelty shop to get my Halloween costume today. I went for the Energy Company Executive outfit :)
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,973

    Went to the novelty shop to get my halloween costume today. I went for the Energy Company Executive outfit :)

    I take it you saw Matt? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/matt/

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    jayfdeejayfdee Posts: 618
    GeoffM said:

    Re Grangemouth

    Am I the only person who admires the 'Grangemouth at night' pictures ?

    Such as the one here:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-24542903

    Not at all. The power and awe of industrial and urban landscapes can be just as fascinating as those of untouched nature.

    Not at all,I love to see such a huge,and complex industrial city such as Grangemouth,at the same time,I love the wilderness of Bowland,Teesdale, and large parts of Scotland,Knoydart etc.
    Being a ChemEng,I suppose it distorts my views.
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    DavidL said:

    Went to the novelty shop to get my halloween costume today. I went for the Energy Company Executive outfit :)

    I take it you saw Matt? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/matt/

    Actually no, I didn't!
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited October 2013
    Be careful with this one if having Halloween in Ireland:

    http://www.joke.co.uk/child-catcher-costume~67146/
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    fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,289
    Twitter
    ScotlandTonight ‏@ScotlandTonight 49m
    We'll be live at the Grangemouth plant during our one-hour #scotnight special tonight. Watch on STV from 10:30pm.... http://fb.me/6jRr86Hxq

    Newsnight Scotland ‏@NewsnightScot 1h
    Join us at 10.30 tonight on BBC-2 for a full length #newsnicht as the Grangemouth story continues to unfold.
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    R0bertsR0berts Posts: 391
    GeoffM said:

    Bobajob said:

    AndyJS said:

    Is Edmund's widget the thingy that can block a particular poster? (Makes me wonder whether anyone blocks my comments).

    AndyJS said:

    Is Edmund's widget the thingy that can block a particular poster? (Makes me wonder whether anyone blocks my comments).

    Andy – the widget is for wimps who like to talk only to people who agree with them in a locked room. Why they come on a cross-partisan politics forum if this is their preference is beyond me.

    The trick when using the widget is only to put tim on Ignore; nobody else.



    On a site called Political Betting, why on earth would you "ignore" one of the few people who sometimes posts about, er, Political Betting?
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    R0bertsR0berts Posts: 391
    fitalass said:

    Twitter
    ScotlandTonight ‏@ScotlandTonight 49m
    We'll be live at the Grangemouth plant during our one-hour #scotnight special tonight. Watch on STV from 10:30pm.... http://fb.me/6jRr86Hxq

    Newsnight Scotland ‏@NewsnightScot 1h
    Join us at 10.30 tonight on BBC-2 for a full length #newsnicht as the Grangemouth story continues to unfold.

    No ta. I'm bored sick of it just reading this thread.
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    R0berts said:

    GeoffM said:

    Bobajob said:

    AndyJS said:

    Is Edmund's widget the thingy that can block a particular poster? (Makes me wonder whether anyone blocks my comments).

    AndyJS said:

    Is Edmund's widget the thingy that can block a particular poster? (Makes me wonder whether anyone blocks my comments).

    Andy – the widget is for wimps who like to talk only to people who agree with them in a locked room. Why they come on a cross-partisan politics forum if this is their preference is beyond me.

    The trick when using the widget is only to put tim on Ignore; nobody else.



    On a site called Political Betting, why on earth would you "ignore" one of the few people who sometimes posts about, er, Political Betting?
    I'm not going to swim a mile through a sewer with my mouth open in the hope of catching a single pearl between my teeth.

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    welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,460
    dr_spyn said:

    Unite go forth and multiplied the job losses - not our fault...just like the unions in shipbuilding, steel, cars in the 60s and 70s.

    http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/grangemouth-petrochemical-plant-closure-is-catastrophic-says-unite/

    Whatever the rights and wrongs I cannot help feeling Mr Rafferty misread Ineos' determination here.
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    edited October 2013
    The two sides of the left on the benefit cap

    Either a. the draconian, Dickensian cuts are causing mass deprivation, starvation, children in bare feet, rickets, families on the streets etc. 'The toynbee gambit'

    or B. the cap is ineffective, we are actually spending more and nothing has changed. 'The tim gambit;

    Whichever spin has the most effect on a particular day...
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,647
    welshowl said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Unite go forth and multiplied the job losses - not our fault...just like the unions in shipbuilding, steel, cars in the 60s and 70s.

    http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/grangemouth-petrochemical-plant-closure-is-catastrophic-says-unite/

    Whatever the rights and wrongs I cannot help feeling Mr Rafferty misread Ineos' determination here.
    It's a mess. Unite have certainly proved unable to see the bigger picture, as was the case with unions in many now-defunct industries in the past. I'm rather uncertain about Ineos's culpability: currently the story could be written in either direction, with Ineos being the transgressor or a victim of union intransigence. The truth probably lies in between those extremes.

    Unions in many sectors manage to work together with the companies to mutual benefit. Sadly, for whatever reason, that was not the case here. And instead of protecting the jobs of their workers, Unite has seen hundreds of their own members losing their jobs.

    Ineos will continue as a company. Unite's members have lost their jobs. That makes Unite the losers, with collateral damage to the Scottish economy.

    One thing is for certain: Ed should release the Falkirk report into events which may sit at the heart of this mess.
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    Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    Wings Over Scotland ‏@WingsScotland

    "Unite called a strike over Labour internal politics. By the time the union woke up to reality, it was too late": http://wingsoverscotland.com/quoted-for-truth-32/
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Tim Bale ‏@ProfTimBale
    This just in: #UKIP's official membership last week rose to 31,550. Must be hoping they'll meet the Tories going in the other direction...
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