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By any standards the events that we are seeing at Westminster over the process of the government’s EU Exit legislation are completely unprecedented. Generally parliament is very much there to follow what the executive rules and Westminster’s structures and rules are designed to achieve that end.
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(And I know that's poor Latin, but I can't be arsed to be perfect all the time)
But I do object to the refrain of it being parliament taking back control. It's funny, but if it is unprecedented then it is taking control, not taking back control they didn't previously have.Plus no one seems to have secured any control as a result, just further chaos.
Spanish politics has become remarkably fragmented recently. Latest opinion poll, with less than 10% between the top 5 parties.
PSOE 22.4%
Cs 18.5%
PP 18.3%
UP 17.1%
VOX 12.5%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_Spanish_general_election#Voting_intention_estimates
He added drily that perhaps they should reflect on what happened to Gracchus...
Quite where this goes is hard to predict but we could get to situation where a Commons motion calling for a second referendum. Mrs. May could ignore that but I think she would find it very difficult."
Why?
On the one hand, she ignores some MPs.
On the other hand, she claims she's listening to and respecting the result of the first referendum.
May has no apparent incentive to give in: unless she suddenly and unexpectedly buckles and gives up on the Deal (in which she's invested everything) then we come back again to the key point: are there enough Conservative MPs who are willing to remove their own Prime Minister in a formal vote of no confidence in order to block Brexit? All else is noise.
Equally this actually doesn't change anything once next weeks vote is out of the way. Had the vote been held back in December May would today or at worse late next week being telling us what she was planning to do. Now next week she still has to tell us what she plans to do which has made the delay in December pointless although has revealed another card in Parliament's hand
If it does, then I'd expect the government to fall.
All those Brexiteers that promised sunlit uplands etc or said moving to WTO terms would be awesome for the UK economy are going to get absolutely gubbed in a general election.
It will be their 'We abolished boom and bust' moment.
At home, she listens to yes-men like Lidlington and Barlow who tell her what she wants to here. She ignores everyone else, including the DUP, which is why she is in the position she is.
She is simply out of her depth as PM and too much of a control freak to trust anyone with decision making capability.
It’s a left liberal remainer conspiracy.
Hopefully pointing out people pointing out people's tics is ok though, for my sake.
"Here's to not buggering it up!"
Be sure to let PBers know your views on the Tube scene.
As it happens, I see something different in May. But then that's because I've not got a fetid ideology rotting my core.
They want certain things to happen, but don't want to be seen voting for those things to happen?
Plus classical history has lots of sex and depravity, what's not to love?
Apart from anything else, Shakespeare. Wordsworth, Gibbon, Harvey, Isambard Brunel, Charlie Chaplin, Adrian Boult and Malcolm Sargent were all born in it, as was the greatest genius, organist, historian, poet and punner the world has ever known.
We also have to put up with Hitler and Hess, but nobody's perfect.
But for factional politics tearing apart the very fabric of the nation amid talk of apocalyptic doom, much more relevant to our times, I recommend the Wars of the Three Kingdoms, obviously.
You are someone who claims the likes of Ken Clarke obeys orders from the EU. That's plainly ridiculous.
I want what is best for the UK. I hope you'd want that as well - if you're from the UK, that is. This country is being hurt in many ways by the mess that we find ourselves in, and if I'm 'inconsolably bent out shape' about anything, it's about how idealogues are willing to see disaster overcome this country just to get their twisted, sick vision.
Since you've not been on here long, I think we should leave; in fact after the referendum I said we should have an organised no-deal, as there was f'all chance of coming to an agreement internally, yet alone externally. I was right. It's too late for that, so now I'm in favour of May's deal. I've argued against a referendum as it would solve nothing.
So you're wrong.
Leavers overreached. It's probably not too late for them to save Theresa's deal, even without the DUP, because Labour under Corbyn are a piss-poor opposition when it comes to Parliamentary votes, but they would have to backtrack faster than a boomerang.
Which is why now that parliament is flexing its sovereignty there are so many "take back control" believers Really Very Angry that parliament has taken back control.
I am really not interested in your self publicity. I simply treat your comments on their individual (lack of) merit. What is the best interests of the U.K. is a highly subjective matter because it involves what you profess yourself to abhor - projection.
Imagine: for two and a half years all she has done is Brexit. Her government has achieved nothing else. It will be remembered for nothing else. She has gone to endless meetings and read zillions of bits of paper. She has made lots of speeches in and out of Parliament.
Imagine if at the end of all that she cannot get Brexit through. Two and a half years utterly wasted with absolutely nothing to show for it. What humiliation for her. Her sole legacy will then have been failing to implement Brexit and losing a majority. How could she bear it?
I just think psychologically she would find it impossible to change course. The only possible way is if there is a Parliamentary vote which forces her to do something else so that she can say that she is implementing the will of Parliament. There is a small chance of that.
But otherwise it will be immensely hard for her I suspect. And she is so stubborn and seemingly lacking in mental or psychological flexibility or the ability to make a U-turn look like her own decision that I just cannot see how she will do it.
I hope I am wrong, though.
Personally I like the references to history.
But, again it's just trolling.
It will also allow the EU to develop as they wish without our obstructionism. I have often said on here how much I admire the founders of the EU - in particular Jean Monnet. I think he was wrong on many things but he was an admirable man with a dream. It is just one I do not share.
She wants to
1) Honour the referendum result and Leave the EU
2) Avoid No Deal, she doesn't want lack of meds and foods that will ruin the lives of so many.
Now she's not sure what should take priority, 1 or 2?
Layla Moran (no relation to Colonel Moran I assume!) looks terrific from here.
AND she's numerate (NUMERATE!) and a remainer.
On the face of it I'd say:
"LibDems, go with her."
As many of us said on here at the time, the FTPA could well make passing anything at all impossible - except for a vote of confidence in the government.
The Conservatives are the Party of Leave now, and have been for some time - even though some of their MPs either haven't yet realised this, or are doing a very good job of pretending that they haven't. And, just so long as the Tories don't shift significantly further in a social conservative direction to try to improve their position in the Midlands and North, the necessary political space for a wet centre-right Christian Democrat offering won't open up in more affluent areas.
In short, the Conservative Party can't afford to lose either of its wings, but it would be in a much better position to survive the loss of the arch-Europhiles than the Brexiteers. Why risk the latter by appealing to the former?
I don't think a PM who has already said she won't fight the next GE and who has failed to pass their most important piece of legislation should, in all honour, take Britain out on a no deal basis. Brexit is for life - or a bloody long time - not just for Xmas. It should only be done by a PM who is in command of Parliament, which May isn't.
He looks almost identical to the actor in the original ITV adaptions of the 90s anyway.