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“Sovereign Lord, as you have promised, you may now dismiss your servant in peace.”
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“Sovereign Lord, as you have promised, you may now dismiss your servant in peace.”
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"Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace"
So much of the finest English choral music begins with those words, including the beautiful Philip Moore setting I accompanied on Sunday. (And as for the Howells Gloucester Service...)
But more appropriate is that it goes on:
"For mine eyes have seen thy salvation"
Salvation for the PM looks a long, long way off right now.
(Good piece, Alastair.)
That would be an apt end to her reign of piss.
Any Con leader that proposes a referendum should be forced to drink a pint of it.
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1070682796488835072
Trump's rating is stellar by comparison (as is May's).
So it's not a crushing defeat and she goes back to Brussels saying how close she is and asking for help on the backstop.
When a straight vote would have gone down by 80-100.
That's why I think the Benn amendment is a lifeline for May; it could keep her in her job over Christmas, along the theme of the article. Would be smarter for it to be withdrawn - very late.
Point of order. 'Only' four, tops. I'll give you Cameron and, prospectively, May.
Major, while Europe played a major role in his downfall - both the ERM and the Maastricht divisions, was brought down in the end as much by the desire for a change, a credible Labour alternative, and the continual sleaze stories. But Europe was a part.
Likewise, we can say that Thatcher was brought down by Europe, and on a proximate basis, that certainly played a major part in Howe's critique, but poll ratings and above all, the Poll Tax, were at least as important.
But I don't see where you get five from. Heath was brought down by his failure to either effectively confront the unions or to work with them, as well as the economic situation. The Tory Party might have suffered some division over EEC entry but it was not intrinsic to the early election or to Heath's failure to win it.
https://twitter.com/labourwhips/status/1070687054307225600
Mrs May will have done her duty, and remarkably well in the awful circumstances. She has come back with a decent implementation of Brexit, which is as good as anyone could have got. It reflects the letter and spirit of the referendum result. Although much detail remains to be filled in, it looks as though it would achieve this without causing too much economic damage. She has even managed to get the EU to back down on one of their sacred 'four freedoms'.
But there's a fatal flaw: she hasn't brought MPs along with her. Maybe it would always have been impossible to do so, given the catastrophic GE2017 result, but she hasn't helped herself by her remote and inflexible style.
Nonetheless she comes out of this with enormous credit for her determination and resilience. Whatever comes next will be even more chaotic, but it will no longer be her problem.
In practice, I can't see any alternative now to asking for an Article 50 extension, and probably a referendum to decide between Revoke and the Deal, which would have the great merit that either result would be workable. The obstacles to getting there, legal and political, are horrendous, but does anyone else have any better idea?
And why should we wish to have undue influence in foreign nations? I have no desire for our government to able to meddle in Slovenian politics, nor for Slovenians to be able to hold sway over UK political decisions.
Mr. Price, expecting numeracy from a party led by a socialist is optimistic.
The only option is that if the deal fails, and I continue to believe that it won't, then she goes back again the following week with something that would look and sound like a compromise but would likely be a kick into the medium-length grass. Something like an "endeavour to revisit the backstop..." type clause which will buy off the rebels.
Put simply, it is her deal or no deal and it is not going to be no deal.
There isn't going to be any deal acceptable to the DUP, and even in the best case scenario for the government there will be Tory rebels.
If we were being told that upon exit England and Scotland would still in perpetuity be subjected to EU regulations, would in perpetuity be stuck in the customs area . . . And that we would have no MEPs etc to change that and we could never unilaterally end this arrangement, it would take EU permission to change anything and that might never come ...
... if the backstop applies to us would you still think it was a price worth paying?
I am expecting a max (as per NPXMP's estimate) of six Lab MPs to vote with the govt. Plus we have that LD now so that's a start.
Why are new car sales dropping - these guys have an opinion. They're right about my motives, but overall - I dunno. I'd be interested to hear from RCS on this.
"The Impending Big Auto/Oil Implosion Explained | In Depth"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUC6lsLr04I
https://twitter.com/NathanGillMEP/status/1070681908152074240
Theresa May demonstrates more understanding of Brexit than any one of the Brexiteers
https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/1062697952752349184
The passing of the Grieve amendment has permanently stripped May of any opportunity to ask Parliament to vote again. Whatever Plan B she wants is now irrelevant, because Parliament will salami-slice and amend it into whatever they want.
May has one *and only one* chance to prevent Parliament from Taking Back Control, and that's win the Meaningful Vote.
And may god have mercy on her soul.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_politicians_who_have_crossed_the_floor#2005–2010_Parliament
The move in public opinion seems to be hardening against the EU and certainly another referendum does not seem at all certain
Maybe a taste of no deal but the UK and EU markets are tanking this afternoon
If he makes it in to the second round diiferent call
The risk for France is Lepen versus Melenchon which is not impossible. If Macron faces Lepen he will win as the left will vote to keep Lepen out. If its Macron versus Melenchon it's a closer call a lot of FN voters used to be on the extreme left
When the deal was signed we were assured by many posters that Tory rebels would fall into line, and that Labour would obviously abstain.
Still seems to be some wishful thinking. May won't win the vote. Labour won't abstain. We're 12 days since the agreement was signed. Nothing that has happened since then suggests either prospect has come closer. It is going down.
I'd have a lot more respect for her if she'd been honest from the get go.
We will be in a position where we have free trade but on Europes terms and subject to Europes rules and customs. No say in rules or customs and no money or free movement as you say.
Now what is going to change? Unless we are going to restore paying money to them, or going to restore free movement then what do they gain from a free trade deal which isn't entirely written by them to suit them? Unless we are planning to end free trade, start paying or start free movement it looks like the only variable to be changed is to restore control from them to us but what do they gain from that?
The only way to change those facts is to pass new legislation (or take the risk of revoking A50 without an Act of Parliament; I can't see how that case could be decided other than in line with Miller).
But given the number of people who believe Revoke *isn't* workable because "will of the people", and the number of workable options then left in your equation.. I find it remarkable how many MPs on both sides are treating this deal like leprosy.
Lol - I remember being asked at a GE to choose between two parties who wanted Brexit.
Turns out neither of them did.
Given WA says no such thing is admissible, the ERG pointed out that the Government's offer was a nonsense. And the idea seems to have been quietly dropped as the ludicrous idea that it is.
So really Brady is saying the same thing as most of Parliament. The WA needs to be renegotiated to remove the backstop. Which May and the EU have repeatedly told us is "impossible".
Brexiteers don't know where they need to go to negotiate, how important Dover is, the fact we are an island, or who speaks for the EU.
It's amazing any of them can tie their shoelaces
The negotiation has been disastrously mishandled. We owe the EU a great deal of money. Yes, we were never going to default on money we owed, but was every point negotiated on? The sum? The timespan of payments? There's a big difference between cash upfront and dragging it out. The EU was/is facing severe financial difficulties and we held all the cards. But to press home our advantage May would have risked inflicting a symbolic defeat on the EU - not something she would ever countenance.
Some of the following will happen. Labour will move a VONC, and the DUP will either abstain or vote against, letting the government survive. At that point they will shift to supporting one of:
* A second referendum on deal-vs-remain.
* The Norway+ pivot
But which way will Labour jump? It could go either way, but I think it depends a lot on exactly what happens in those all-important hours after the fall of the Meaningful Vote.
Incentivise both sides.
Either way. one huge difficulty is that a pivot to Norway+ doesn't get round the backstop dead-end.
Unless of course TM pulls the vote
She's produced a poor deal which many seem to think isn't worth supporting and because she refused to allow for the contingency planning of No Deal, what might have been an orderly and managed departure from the EU without an agreement risks turning into a national economic disaster.
One quibble: Did you mean:
"Hardline Leavers must surely want a Brexit more than a perfect Brexit"
or should that be:
"Hardline Leavers must surely want an imperfect Brexit more than no Brexit"?
In which case any potential new PM is going to have to get off the fence and outline an at least plausible way forward.*
*Boris, Rees Mogg excepted, natch.