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  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,587
    Neil said:

    SeanT said:

    I'm talking about novelists, and the relationship between novel writing and youthful verve.

    I think Powell wrote A Dance to the Music of Time between the ages of about 45 and about 70.
    The bloke writing Game of Thrones (not in his first youth, I think) seems to have hit writer's block in the final volume, to the frustration of a zillion readers who want to read about Tyrion mating a dragon. I had an order for it and the firm cancelled it as they're unable to say when it'll turn up.

  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    Neil said:

    jayfdee said:


    But yes Ryanair is crap,but cheap,and we all know the rules,but they deliver,and for a few hours ,who cares if the price is right.

    I generally avoid Ryanair if I can but since my local airport in Ireland more-or-less closed (damn you austerity!) I have to use them more often than I used to. One thing that is impressive is their punctuality stats. I suppose time is money to them and I dont remember being on a late Ryanair flight in the last 4 or 5 years.
    Neil

    Why not purchase Tony Ryan's country cottage, Lyons Demesne?

    It comes with its own helipad and airstrip, the only airport in Ireland licensed for 24 hour operations.

    And it is available for a quarter of the money he spent on it. A snip at the price of €25 million.

    http://bit.ly/1bzGtLb
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    edited October 2013
    @Avery

    I wouldnt want to give them any more money ;)

    @TSE

    The England football carnival is starting early this time! How many more months of this nonsense to endure? The tabloids cant help themselves.
  • FFS. That is ridiculous. If true.

  • Neil said:

    @Avery

    I wouldnt want to give them any more money ;)

    @TSE

    The England football carnival is starting early this time! How many more months of this nonsense to endure? The tabloids cant help themselves.

    If Hodgson is forced out, Trap's available isn't he?
  • FFS. That is ridiculous. If true.

    Yup
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983

    Neil said:

    @Avery

    I wouldnt want to give them any more money ;)

    @TSE

    The England football carnival is starting early this time! How many more months of this nonsense to endure? The tabloids cant help themselves.

    If Hodgson is forced out, Trap's available isn't he?
    Why go for the organ grinder when you can have the .... oops!
  • Neil said:

    Neil said:

    @Avery

    I wouldnt want to give them any more money ;)

    @TSE

    The England football carnival is starting early this time! How many more months of this nonsense to endure? The tabloids cant help themselves.

    If Hodgson is forced out, Trap's available isn't he?
    Why go for the organ grinder when you can have the .... oops!
    Post of the year!
  • Carola said:
    Tristram Hunt's comment is illuminating.
    Tristram Hunt, the shadow education secretary, said the Ofsted report showed that Michael Gove's reform programme, in which the new schools are freed from local education authority control and allowed to appoint unqualified teachers if they choose, has become a "dangerous free-for-all".

    Hunt told the Guardian: "What this report exposes is that David Cameron and Michael Gove's Free School programme has become a dangerous free-for-all: an out of control ideological experiment that has left 400 children losing an entire week of learning."
    He seems to be more concerned with the fact that the school closed temporarily for a week during the Ofsted inspection, than with the report's conclusions that this seems to be a f***ing useless school. So happy to consign children to a life ruined by a useless education, as long as they get it for the regulation 39 weeks a year.


    My five year old grandson can't go to school tomorrow because the teachers are on strike. Obviously three months holiday and index linked gold plated pensions are not enough.

    Ask them if you can take your child out of school for a couple of days for a short holiday and you are treated like a mass murderer. Gove is doing a great job in breaking up these self serving tossers
  • FFS. That is ridiculous. If true.

    Yup

    An over-complicated team talk, heavy with metaphor, when all he needed to say was give the ball to Andros, he's killing them. Not sure that's worth a front page though.

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,260
    edited October 2013

    FFS. That is ridiculous. If true.

    Yup

    An over-complicated team talk, heavy with metaphor, when all he needed to say was give the ball to Andros, he's killing them. Not sure that's worth a front page though.

    I think this would be a non story if it weren't for the Terry and Suarez affairs.

    For the record, it is a non story, if anyone tries to cast Hodgson as a racist they are talking out of their Arsenal
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549

    Carola said:
    Tristram Hunt's comment is illuminating.
    Tristram Hunt, the shadow education secretary, said the Ofsted report showed that Michael Gove's reform programme, in which the new schools are freed from local education authority control and allowed to appoint unqualified teachers if they choose, has become a "dangerous free-for-all".

    Hunt told the Guardian: "What this report exposes is that David Cameron and Michael Gove's Free School programme has become a dangerous free-for-all: an out of control ideological experiment that has left 400 children losing an entire week of learning."
    He seems to be more concerned with the fact that the school closed temporarily for a week during the Ofsted inspection, than with the report's conclusions that this seems to be a f***ing useless school. So happy to consign children to a life ruined by a useless education, as long as they get it for the regulation 39 weeks a year.
    My five year old grandson can't go to school tomorrow because the teachers are on strike. Obviously three months holiday and index linked gold plated pensions are not enough.

    Ask them if you can take your child out of school for a couple of days for a short holiday and you are treated like a mass murderer. Gove is doing a great job in breaking up these self serving tossers


    If you think teaching is either easy or relaxing you know nothing about it.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    edited October 2013
    tim said:

    Tonight space monkey, last night Ricardohos' tied up £20
    What does tomorrow hold

    I still feel sad for that lonely 20 bob note sitting on Ricardohos' drawer.

    At least it has all his academic certificates for company.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    edited October 2013


    I think this would be a non story if it weren't for the Terry and Suarez affairs.

    Someone in the room was thick enough to be offended.

    Is Ricardohos an England international?
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549

    FFS. That is ridiculous. If true.

    Yup

    An over-complicated team talk, heavy with metaphor, when all he needed to say was give the ball to Andros, he's killing them. Not sure that's worth a front page though.

    I think this would be a non story if it weren't for the Terry and Suarez affairs.

    For the record, it is a non story, if anyone tries to cast Hodgson as a racist they are talking out of their Arsenal
    Even without casting him as a racist, it's a thing in terms of unacceptable language.
  • Neil said:


    I think this would be a non story if it weren't for the Terry and Suarez affairs.

    Someone in the room was thick enough to be offended.

    Is Ricardohos an England international?
    It sounds like a lefty.

    You know the ones that tried to ban Bah Bah Black Sheep

    /Trollface/
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    corporeal said:

    FFS. That is ridiculous. If true.

    Yup

    An over-complicated team talk, heavy with metaphor, when all he needed to say was give the ball to Andros, he's killing them. Not sure that's worth a front page though.

    I think this would be a non story if it weren't for the Terry and Suarez affairs.

    For the record, it is a non story, if anyone tries to cast Hodgson as a racist they are talking out of their Arsenal
    Even without casting him as a racist, it's a thing in terms of unacceptable language.
    What was unacceptable?!
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    tim said:

    So Police and Crime Commissioners.

    You take a simpleton, elect them on 6% first preferences, send them out onto TV to humiliate themselves.
    Have I missed anything?

    Get to them to ruin a young person's life by exposing them to more media attention than they can possibly cope with?
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    Neil said:

    corporeal said:

    FFS. That is ridiculous. If true.

    Yup

    An over-complicated team talk, heavy with metaphor, when all he needed to say was give the ball to Andros, he's killing them. Not sure that's worth a front page though.

    I think this would be a non story if it weren't for the Terry and Suarez affairs.

    For the record, it is a non story, if anyone tries to cast Hodgson as a racist they are talking out of their Arsenal
    Even without casting him as a racist, it's a thing in terms of unacceptable language.
    What was unacceptable?!
    Referring to a black player, even referencing a metaphor, as a monkey.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    corporeal said:

    Neil said:

    corporeal said:

    FFS. That is ridiculous. If true.

    Yup

    An over-complicated team talk, heavy with metaphor, when all he needed to say was give the ball to Andros, he's killing them. Not sure that's worth a front page though.

    I think this would be a non story if it weren't for the Terry and Suarez affairs.

    For the record, it is a non story, if anyone tries to cast Hodgson as a racist they are talking out of their Arsenal
    Even without casting him as a racist, it's a thing in terms of unacceptable language.
    What was unacceptable?!
    Referring to a black player, even referencing a metaphor, as a monkey.
    Sweet lord.

    Stop the politically correct train even I have to get off it now!
  • Hmmmm, bloody foreigners, coming over here....

    Adnan Januzaj will choose England as his international team if the Football Association can overcome the obstacle of the five-year residency rule

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2463653/Adnan-Januzaj-choose-play-England-FA-overcome-year-residency-rule.html#ixzz2hvcdvZd5
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  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    edited October 2013
    Neil said:

    corporeal said:

    Neil said:

    corporeal said:

    FFS. That is ridiculous. If true.

    Yup

    An over-complicated team talk, heavy with metaphor, when all he needed to say was give the ball to Andros, he's killing them. Not sure that's worth a front page though.

    I think this would be a non story if it weren't for the Terry and Suarez affairs.

    For the record, it is a non story, if anyone tries to cast Hodgson as a racist they are talking out of their Arsenal
    Even without casting him as a racist, it's a thing in terms of unacceptable language.
    What was unacceptable?!
    Referring to a black player, even referencing a metaphor, as a monkey.
    Sweet lord.

    Stop the politically correct train even I have to get off it now!
    Here's a top tip for your departure. If there's a word/reference that's been used to dehumanise, disparage, and racially deride a certain ethnic group for centuries up to the present day (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20234878) then it's probably not a good idea to use it to refer to them.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    corporeal said:

    Carola said:
    Tristram Hunt's comment is illuminating.
    Tristram Hunt, the shadow education secretary, said the Ofsted report showed that Michael Gove's reform programme, in which the new schools are freed from local education authority control and allowed to appoint unqualified teachers if they choose, has become a "dangerous free-for-all".

    Hunt told the Guardian: "What this report exposes is that David Cameron and Michael Gove's Free School programme has become a dangerous free-for-all: an out of control ideological experiment that has left 400 children losing an entire week of learning."
    He seems to be more concerned with the fact that the school closed temporarily for a week during the Ofsted inspection, than with the report's conclusions that this seems to be a f***ing useless school. So happy to consign children to a life ruined by a useless education, as long as they get it for the regulation 39 weeks a year.
    My five year old grandson can't go to school tomorrow because the teachers are on strike. Obviously three months holiday and index linked gold plated pensions are not enough.

    Ask them if you can take your child out of school for a couple of days for a short holiday and you are treated like a mass murderer. Gove is doing a great job in breaking up these self serving tossers
    If you think teaching is either easy or relaxing you know nothing about it.

    Many jobs aren't "easy" or "relaxing".

    That's why they call it a "job", not a "snooze"

    They get paid more than enough to do the job, so they should get on with it.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    @corporeal

    If only he had changed the metaphor to refer to a giraffe. Or if only there were fewer insane people in the world.

    @seanT

    You should be celebrating this in Bonkers bar in Bangkok or the closest equivalent you can find in Soho.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    corporeal said:

    Neil said:

    corporeal said:

    FFS. That is ridiculous. If true.

    Yup

    An over-complicated team talk, heavy with metaphor, when all he needed to say was give the ball to Andros, he's killing them. Not sure that's worth a front page though.

    I think this would be a non story if it weren't for the Terry and Suarez affairs.

    For the record, it is a non story, if anyone tries to cast Hodgson as a racist they are talking out of their Arsenal
    Even without casting him as a racist, it's a thing in terms of unacceptable language.
    What was unacceptable?!
    Referring to a black player, even referencing a metaphor, as a monkey.
    There's not very much in it at the DNA level, to be fair.
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    Neil said:

    @corporeal

    If only he had changed the metaphor to refer to a giraffe. Or if only there were fewer insane people in the world.

    Yes, if he'd picked any one of the many many animals that don't have a long and ongoing history of being used to imply black people were inferior and subhuman I'm sure everyone would've been fine.
  • tim said:

    So Police and Crime Commissioners.

    You take a simpleton, elect them on 6% first preferences, send them out onto TV to humiliate themselves.
    Have I missed anything?

    Yes, you've missed the fact that they can be chucked out next time, unlike under the previous system.

    In any case, some of the simpletons didn't even get to the first stage. I lost a £100 on John Prescott, so the electorate wasn't entirely daft even in this first ever round of such elections.
  • corporeal said:

    Carola said:
    Tristram Hunt's comment is illuminating.
    Tristram Hunt, the shadow education secretary, said the Ofsted report showed that Michael Gove's reform programme, in which the new schools are freed from local education authority control and allowed to appoint unqualified teachers if they choose, has become a "dangerous free-for-all".

    Hunt told the Guardian: "What this report exposes is that David Cameron and Michael Gove's Free School programme has become a dangerous free-for-all: an out of control ideological experiment that has left 400 children losing an entire week of learning."
    He seems to be more concerned with the fact that the school closed temporarily for a week during the Ofsted inspection, than with the report's conclusions that this seems to be a f***ing useless school. So happy to consign children to a life ruined by a useless education, as long as they get it for the regulation 39 weeks a year.
    My five year old grandson can't go to school tomorrow because the teachers are on strike. Obviously three months holiday and index linked gold plated pensions are not enough.

    Ask them if you can take your child out of school for a couple of days for a short holiday and you are treated like a mass murderer. Gove is doing a great job in breaking up these self serving tossers
    If you think teaching is either easy or relaxing you know nothing about it.</blockquot

    I didn't say it was, though 13 weeks holiday coupled with a short working week should go some way to alleviating any stress. Perhaps you could enlighten me as to why the hard pressed teachers of five year olds
    are on strike tomorrow?
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    corporeal said:

    Neil said:

    @corporeal

    If only he had changed the metaphor to refer to a giraffe. Or if only there were fewer insane people in the world.

    Yes, if he'd picked any one of the many many animals that don't have a long and ongoing history of being used to imply black people were inferior and subhuman I'm sure everyone would've been fine.
    Next time he should stop pussy-footing around and shout "get it to the 'coon on the wing" and be done with it.
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    tim said:

    corporeal said:

    Neil said:

    corporeal said:

    FFS. That is ridiculous. If true.

    Yup

    An over-complicated team talk, heavy with metaphor, when all he needed to say was give the ball to Andros, he's killing them. Not sure that's worth a front page though.

    I think this would be a non story if it weren't for the Terry and Suarez affairs.

    For the record, it is a non story, if anyone tries to cast Hodgson as a racist they are talking out of their Arsenal
    Even without casting him as a racist, it's a thing in terms of unacceptable language.
    What was unacceptable?!
    Referring to a black player, even referencing a metaphor, as a monkey.
    Bollocks, you think black Brits don't call their kids cheeky monkey?
    I think a lot of black americans call each other n*gger, doesn't mean I'm going to.
  • corporeal said:

    Neil said:

    corporeal said:

    Neil said:

    corporeal said:

    FFS. That is ridiculous. If true.

    Yup

    An over-complicated team talk, heavy with metaphor, when all he needed to say was give the ball to Andros, he's killing them. Not sure that's worth a front page though.

    I think this would be a non story if it weren't for the Terry and Suarez affairs.

    For the record, it is a non story, if anyone tries to cast Hodgson as a racist they are talking out of their Arsenal
    Even without casting him as a racist, it's a thing in terms of unacceptable language.
    What was unacceptable?!
    Referring to a black player, even referencing a metaphor, as a monkey.
    Sweet lord.

    Stop the politically correct train even I have to get off it now!
    Here's a top tip for your departure. If there's a word/reference that's been used to dehumanise, disparage, and racially deride a certain ethnic group for centuries up to the present day (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20234878) then it's probably not a good idea to use it to refer to them.
    As you are supporting striking teachers, how about blackboard
    .

  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549


    I didn't say it was, though 13 weeks holiday coupled with a short working week should go some way to alleviating any stress. Perhaps you could enlighten me as to why the hard pressed teachers of five year olds
    are on strike tomorrow?

    What short working week?

    corporeal said:

    Neil said:

    corporeal said:

    Neil said:

    corporeal said:

    FFS. That is ridiculous. If true.

    Yup

    An over-complicated team talk, heavy with metaphor, when all he needed to say was give the ball to Andros, he's killing them. Not sure that's worth a front page though.

    I think this would be a non story if it weren't for the Terry and Suarez affairs.

    For the record, it is a non story, if anyone tries to cast Hodgson as a racist they are talking out of their Arsenal
    Even without casting him as a racist, it's a thing in terms of unacceptable language.
    What was unacceptable?!
    Referring to a black player, even referencing a metaphor, as a monkey.
    Sweet lord.

    Stop the politically correct train even I have to get off it now!
    Here's a top tip for your departure. If there's a word/reference that's been used to dehumanise, disparage, and racially deride a certain ethnic group for centuries up to the present day (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20234878) then it's probably not a good idea to use it to refer to them.
    As you are supporting striking teachers, how about blackboard
    .

    Blackboard doesn't have a long and ongoing background of use as a way of saying black people are subhuman. Referring to them as monkeys does.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    edited October 2013

    My five year old grandson can't go to school tomorrow because the teachers are on strike. Obviously three months holiday and index linked gold plated pensions are not enough.

    You want to write a letter like this, Nigel:

    Nick Robinson ‏@yardleyw4

    I wish I had thought of this for my kids in primary school

    pic.twitter.com/JGNmQMzM85
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    corporeal said:

    Neil said:

    @corporeal

    If only he had changed the metaphor to refer to a giraffe. Or if only there were fewer insane people in the world.

    Yes, if he'd picked any one of the many many animals that don't have a long and ongoing history of being used to imply black people were inferior and subhuman I'm sure everyone would've been fine.
    But it was monkeys that went into space, that was the joke wasn't it?
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    edited October 2013
    tim said:

    corporeal said:

    Neil said:

    corporeal said:

    Neil said:

    corporeal said:

    FFS. That is ridiculous. If true.

    Yup

    An over-complicated team talk, heavy with metaphor, when all he needed to say was give the ball to Andros, he's killing them. Not sure that's worth a front page though.

    I think this would be a non story if it weren't for the Terry and Suarez affairs.

    For the record, it is a non story, if anyone tries to cast Hodgson as a racist they are talking out of their Arsenal
    Even without casting him as a racist, it's a thing in terms of unacceptable language.
    What was unacceptable?!
    Referring to a black player, even referencing a metaphor, as a monkey.
    Sweet lord.

    Stop the politically correct train even I have to get off it now!
    Here's a top tip for your departure. If there's a word/reference that's been used to dehumanise, disparage, and racially deride a certain ethnic group for centuries up to the present day (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20234878) then it's probably not a good idea to use it to refer to them.
    Meet you here tomorrow

    http://www.cheekymonkeysfun.co.uk/

    chorales non white population must be rescued by some wanky angst ridden students who will look back in twenty years and be embarrassed as hell.

    What do we want.

    Deeply patronising counterproductive idiocy

    When do we want it

    When we've worked out how to ask for a black coffee without oppressing anyone.
    Tell you what Tim, go round casually referring to black people as monkeys as part of metaphors, see how far you get.

    The population of that dressing room seems upset with it, but I'm sure your assurances that they shouldn't be offended put their minds at rest.
  • So Sean what is this book that is making you so much money? You haven't written an 8th Harry Potter or the 6th Game of Thrones have you?
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    edited October 2013
    Should I stay or should I go?

    It's his time . By George , it's his time.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAM7dnEcptg

  • I'm now regretting posting that Hodgson monkey story.

    Can we pretend it didn't happen?
  • Interesting, The Times are reporting that a Julian Smith, a Tory MP has made a formal complaint to the Met/Bernard Hogan-Howe re the Guardian leaks and if they broke the official secrets act
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    isam said:

    corporeal said:

    Neil said:

    @corporeal

    If only he had changed the metaphor to refer to a giraffe. Or if only there were fewer insane people in the world.

    Yes, if he'd picked any one of the many many animals that don't have a long and ongoing history of being used to imply black people were inferior and subhuman I'm sure everyone would've been fine.
    But it was monkeys that went into space, that was the joke wasn't it?
    It would have been better for all concerned if NASA had sent a giraffe into orbit.
  • I'm remembering Bernard's quote from Yes, Prime Minister

    That's another of those irregular verbs, isn't it? I give confidential press briefings; you leak; he's being charged under section 2A of the Official Secrets Act.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    edited October 2013
    corporeal said:

    Tell you what Tim, go round casually referring to black people as monkeys as part of metaphors, see how far you get.

    The population of that dressing room seems upset with it, but I'm sure your assurances that they shouldn't be offended put their minds at rest.

    "The population..." ? According to that article, only one of the denizens is hypersensitive and needs his mum.

    Frankly, professional offence-whores will kick up a stink if you serve them the wrong type of tea. It's boring now. The shark was jumped when you could legally take offence on behalf of a third party who didn't actually give a crap.
  • corporeal said:

    Carola said:
    Tristram Hunt's comment is illuminating.
    Tristram Hunt, the shadow education secretary, said the Ofsted report showed that Michael Gove's reform programme, in which the new schools are freed from local education authority control and allowed to appoint unqualified teachers if they choose, has become a "dangerous free-for-all".

    Hunt told the Guardian: "What this report exposes is that David Cameron and Michael Gove's Free School programme has become a dangerous free-for-all: an out of control ideological experiment that has left 400 children losing an entire week of learning."
    He seems to be more concerned with the fact that the school closed temporarily for a week during the Ofsted inspection, than with the report's conclusions that this seems to be a f***ing useless school. So happy to consign children to a life ruined by a useless education, as long as they get it for the regulation 39 weeks a year.
    My five year old grandson can't go to school tomorrow because the teachers are on strike. Obviously three months holiday and index linked gold plated pensions are not enough.

    Ask them if you can take your child out of school for a couple of days for a short holiday and you are treated like a mass murderer. Gove is doing a great job in breaking up these self serving tossers
    If you think teaching is either easy or relaxing you know nothing about it.

    Corporal, I am waiting for you to explain to me why my five year old grandson cannot go to school tomorrow

  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Neil said:

    isam said:

    corporeal said:

    Neil said:

    @corporeal

    If only he had changed the metaphor to refer to a giraffe. Or if only there were fewer insane people in the world.

    Yes, if he'd picked any one of the many many animals that don't have a long and ongoing history of being used to imply black people were inferior and subhuman I'm sure everyone would've been fine.
    But it was monkeys that went into space, that was the joke wasn't it?
    It would have been better for all concerned if NASA had sent a giraffe into orbit.
    Professional bleeding hearts would be taking offence for Peter Crouch then!

    the Januzaj story is the beginning of thè end of international sport

  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Neil said:

    isam said:

    corporeal said:

    Neil said:

    @corporeal

    If only he had changed the metaphor to refer to a giraffe. Or if only there were fewer insane people in the world.

    Yes, if he'd picked any one of the many many animals that don't have a long and ongoing history of being used to imply black people were inferior and subhuman I'm sure everyone would've been fine.
    But it was monkeys that went into space, that was the joke wasn't it?
    It would have been better for all concerned if NASA had sent a giraffe into orbit.
    That would have caused significant design issues, I think. Unless the giraffe was permanently standing up.

    You could put leaves in the nosecone, maybe. That way it could eat and watch where it was going at the same time.

  • Interesting, The Times are reporting that a Julian Smith, a Tory MP has made a formal complaint to the Met/Bernard Hogan-Howe re the Guardian leaks and if they broke the official secrets act

    Section 6 of the Official Secrets Act 1989 is clear. It's more a question of whether a prosecution would be in the public interest, and whether it is necessary to read down section 6 in order to ensure that the publisher's article 10 rights are not infringed. Those are matters for the CPS and the courts, not the police.
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    tim said:




    What's your evidence that the population of that dressing room is offended or that cheeky monkeys play centre in Chorley is seen as oppressing black children in Lancashire?

    So Tim, are you saying the fans banned for monkey chanting and making monkey gestures at black players were treated unjustly?

    I'm not calling for Roy's sacking, I'm not claiming he's racist. I'm just saying he should be reminded not to metaphorically reference a black player as a monkey. I'm sure he made a mistake, and has realised it now.
  • Neil said:

    SeanT said:

    I'm talking about novelists, and the relationship between novel writing and youthful verve.

    I think Powell wrote A Dance to the Music of Time between the ages of about 45 and about 70.
    The bloke writing Game of Thrones (not in his first youth, I think) seems to have hit writer's block in the final volume, to the frustration of a zillion readers who want to read about Tyrion mating a dragon. I had an order for it and the firm cancelled it as they're unable to say when it'll turn up.

    "If another fan asks when the new book will come out - I'll kill another Stark!" - George R R Martin
  • corporeal said:

    So Tim, are you saying the fans banned for monkey chanting and making monkey gestures at black players were treated unjustly?

    All the circumstances must be taken into account, including the context of the utterance and the intention of the speaker. You are trying to draw hard and fast rules where they are not warranted.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    I'm now regretting posting that Hodgson monkey story.

    Can we pretend it didn't happen?

    It's that or find out more details of how SeanT has earned more in a day than I make in a year.

    Stick with the monkey story.

  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    SeanT said:

    $250,000.

    A QUARTER OF A MILLION.

    I'll stop now.

    Bloody hell.

    Dollars. After the exchange rate and a bit of government theft it's not as much as you think.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    SeanT said:

    $250,000.

    A QUARTER OF A MILLION.

    I'll stop now.

    Bloody hell.

    Think how much fun you would have had with that in your wilder days.

    This time tomorrow you'll be posting questions about ISA limits and SIPPS ;)
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    @SeanT

    PS JohnO is probably going to ask for an increase on the 50 you agreed to put behind the bar ;)
  • Neil said:

    @SeanT

    PS JohnO is probably going to ask for an increase on the 50 you agreed to put behind the bar ;)

    Have you checked out link 27.

    Is the real reason JohnO ended up in Bournemouth after meeting us.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983



    the real reason JohnO ended up in Bournemouth after meeting us.

    I presumed he was disorientated from looking at your shoes.
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549

    corporeal said:

    Carola said:
    Tristram Hunt's comment is illuminating.
    Tristram Hunt, the shadow education secretary, said the Ofsted report showed that Michael Gove's reform programme, in which the new schools are freed from local education authority control and allowed to appoint unqualified teachers if they choose, has become a "dangerous free-for-all".

    Hunt told the Guardian: "What this report exposes is that David Cameron and Michael Gove's Free School programme has become a dangerous free-for-all: an out of control ideological experiment that has left 400 children losing an entire week of learning."
    He seems to be more concerned with the fact that the school closed temporarily for a week during the Ofsted inspection, than with the report's conclusions that this seems to be a f***ing useless school. So happy to consign children to a life ruined by a useless education, as long as they get it for the regulation 39 weeks a year.
    My five year old grandson can't go to school tomorrow because the teachers are on strike. Obviously three months holiday and index linked gold plated pensions are not enough.

    Ask them if you can take your child out of school for a couple of days for a short holiday and you are treated like a mass murderer. Gove is doing a great job in breaking up these self serving tossers
    If you think teaching is either easy or relaxing you know nothing about it.
    Corporal, I am waiting for you to explain to me why my five year old grandson cannot go to school tomorrow



    If you want to know the full breakdown then that'd take a while and if you google you'll find it elsewhere. The short answer is teacher's believe their working conditions and pay are being downgraded by the government.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    corporeal said:

    tim said:




    What's your evidence that the population of that dressing room is offended or that cheeky monkeys play centre in Chorley is seen as oppressing black children in Lancashire?

    So Tim, are you saying the fans banned for monkey chanting and making monkey gestures at black players were treated unjustly?

    I'm not calling for Roy's sacking, I'm not claiming he's racist. I'm just saying he should be reminded not to metaphorically reference a black player as a monkey. I'm sure he made a mistake, and has realised it now.
    That's surreal.

    What goes on inside your head?
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    tim said:

    corporeal said:

    tim said:


    What's your evidence that the population of that dressing room is offended or that cheeky monkeys play centre in Chorley is seen as oppressing black children in Lancashire?

    So Tim, are you saying the fans banned for monkey chanting and making monkey gestures at black players were treated unjustly?

    I'm not calling for Roy's sacking, I'm not claiming he's racist. I'm just saying he should be reminded not to metaphorically reference a black player as a monkey. I'm sure he made a mistake, and has realised it now.
    If you can't see the difference between the two there's little point in me trying to explain it to you.
    I can see a difference, but the background of the one explains why the other is best avoided.
  • Neil said:



    the real reason JohnO ended up in Bournemouth after meeting us.

    I presumed he was disorientated from looking at your shoes.
    I'm never living those shoes down am I?

  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    So it seems the best thing to do in a multi racial dressing room is to speak to people differently depending on the colour of their skin
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    SeanT said:

    GeoffM said:

    SeanT said:

    $250,000.

    A QUARTER OF A MILLION.

    I'll stop now.

    Bloody hell.

    Dollars. After the exchange rate and a bit of government theft it's not as much as you think.
    True. But then again I've also made €150,000 in the last three days. And rising.

    Hundred grand here, hundred grand there, soon you're talking quite a decent week's pay.
    There we go, you see, you're already slipping into the studied casual nonchalance the situation merits. Good stuff.
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549

    corporeal said:

    So Tim, are you saying the fans banned for monkey chanting and making monkey gestures at black players were treated unjustly?

    All the circumstances must be taken into account, including the context of the utterance and the intention of the speaker. You are trying to draw hard and fast rules where they are not warranted.
    Which is why I'm not (and I don't think anyone is) calling for any disciplinary action.

    You can unintentionally say the wrong thing without meaning offence by it. I'd place metaphorically referencing a black player as a monkey as under that.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    corporeal said:

    corporeal said:

    So Tim, are you saying the fans banned for monkey chanting and making monkey gestures at black players were treated unjustly?

    All the circumstances must be taken into account, including the context of the utterance and the intention of the speaker. You are trying to draw hard and fast rules where they are not warranted.
    Which is why I'm not (and I don't think anyone is) calling for any disciplinary action.

    You can unintentionally say the wrong thing without meaning offence by it. I'd place metaphorically referencing a black player as a monkey as under that.
    One thing that unites humans of all creeds and colour is we are all monkeys!

  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    isam said:

    So it seems the best thing to do in a multi racial dressing room is to speak to people differently depending on the colour of their skin

    The best approach is not to pick people for the team who are going to whine like little girls at the slightest excuse. Running away and telling mummy that the big man is nasty just because you have a skin thinner than bog paper is not an attractive trait.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    tim said:

    Osborne is going to announce the biggest ever single green tax tomorrow, Hinckley Point and guaranteed massive green taxes going directly to the Chinese Communist Party for the next 35 years


    All would be OK, if only the British Government owned a nuclear energy engineering company, and we weren't forced to pay foreign businesses for their expertise.

    It's a shame then that the previous Labour government sold it's share of Westinghouse to Toshiba in 2006.

    Another short sighted blunder by Brown and Co.

    http://www.theguardian.com/business/2006/feb/07/nuclearindustry.environment
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    isam said:

    corporeal said:

    corporeal said:

    So Tim, are you saying the fans banned for monkey chanting and making monkey gestures at black players were treated unjustly?

    All the circumstances must be taken into account, including the context of the utterance and the intention of the speaker. You are trying to draw hard and fast rules where they are not warranted.
    Which is why I'm not (and I don't think anyone is) calling for any disciplinary action.

    You can unintentionally say the wrong thing without meaning offence by it. I'd place metaphorically referencing a black player as a monkey as under that.
    One thing that unites humans of all creeds and colour is we are all monkeys!

    Psst, (apes).
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    corporeal said:

    isam said:

    corporeal said:

    corporeal said:

    So Tim, are you saying the fans banned for monkey chanting and making monkey gestures at black players were treated unjustly?

    All the circumstances must be taken into account, including the context of the utterance and the intention of the speaker. You are trying to draw hard and fast rules where they are not warranted.
    Which is why I'm not (and I don't think anyone is) calling for any disciplinary action.

    You can unintentionally say the wrong thing without meaning offence by it. I'd place metaphorically referencing a black player as a monkey as under that.
    One thing that unites humans of all creeds and colour is we are all monkeys!

    Psst, (apes).
    I know, but monkeys fitted better... Knew I shouldn't have risked it on here !
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    isam said:

    corporeal said:

    isam said:

    corporeal said:

    corporeal said:

    So Tim, are you saying the fans banned for monkey chanting and making monkey gestures at black players were treated unjustly?

    All the circumstances must be taken into account, including the context of the utterance and the intention of the speaker. You are trying to draw hard and fast rules where they are not warranted.
    Which is why I'm not (and I don't think anyone is) calling for any disciplinary action.

    You can unintentionally say the wrong thing without meaning offence by it. I'd place metaphorically referencing a black player as a monkey as under that.
    One thing that unites humans of all creeds and colour is we are all monkeys!

    Psst, (apes).
    I know, but monkeys fitted better... Knew I shouldn't have risked it on here !
    I think pedantry on PB came up earlier on here.
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    and I'm off for the night.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Why the hell didn't Hodgson just say "keep giving the ball to Andros"?

    No need for allegorys at half time surely?
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    That surprises me to be honest, I am beginning to think this kind of negative campaign strategy has been part of the reason they continue to flat line in the polls. Going into Coalition with the Conservatives was never going to be a popular move for some Libdem voters. But the Libdems constantly portraying themselves as the Coalition partner that is just there to say no made them look like the silent/weaker partner, and it also emphasises the Conservatives as the far more proactive driving force in this Government.

    The Libdems should stop being the boring difficult party, and start being the far more aggressive Coalition partner who is trying successfully to push through much of their own agenda/manifesto as a counter balance to the Conservatives instead. That would make them a far more attractive option to both their left and right leaning voters who have drifted off since 2010.

    The Times have some yougov polling that shows that the Lib Dems attempts to paint themselves as the restraining influence on the Tories is bearing fruit.

  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    isam said:

    Why the hell didn't Hodgson just say "keep giving the ball to Andros"?

    No need for allegorys at half time surely?

    I've sat through some awful halftime team talks (including, but not limited to, "come on guys, we can keep this to single figures") but that one does sound special.
  • isam said:

    corporeal said:

    isam said:

    corporeal said:

    corporeal said:

    So Tim, are you saying the fans banned for monkey chanting and making monkey gestures at black players were treated unjustly?

    All the circumstances must be taken into account, including the context of the utterance and the intention of the speaker. You are trying to draw hard and fast rules where they are not warranted.
    Which is why I'm not (and I don't think anyone is) calling for any disciplinary action.

    You can unintentionally say the wrong thing without meaning offence by it. I'd place metaphorically referencing a black player as a monkey as under that.
    One thing that unites humans of all creeds and colour is we are all monkeys!

    Psst, (apes).
    I know, but monkeys fitted better... Knew I shouldn't have risked it on here !
    I think the word fitting both would be "Primate" :)
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,574

    Neil said:



    the real reason JohnO ended up in Bournemouth after meeting us.

    I presumed he was disorientated from looking at your shoes.
    I'm never living those shoes down am I?

    Have an awful feeling I never placed the Gunnymede bet. Were Stan James best price on her around that time ? I've forgotten to hit the confirm button if so T_T
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    Well done @Seant! In the words of Lord Mandelson, we are "intensely relaxed about people getting filthy rich" as long as you keep posting here regularly and for free. :)
    SeanT said:

    $250,000.

    A QUARTER OF A MILLION.

    I'll stop now.

    Bloody hell.

  • dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    GeoffM said:



    There's not very much in it at the DNA level, to be fair.

    quite a lot in common between us and cabbages too.... oh
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    edited October 2013

    GeoffM said:



    There's not very much in it at the DNA level, to be fair.

    quite a lot in common between us and cabbages too.... oh
    And bananas. There's a 50% similarity between human and banana DNA.

    That almost makes it cannibalism.

  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    Oh to have been a fly on the wall of the Aberdeen team dressing room at half time when Alex Ferguson was still in charge. He once kicked the tea urn in anger, and then had to apologise to the tea lady afterwards. But according to all accounts back then, it was a complete bear pit and not for the faint hearted.
    SeanT said:

    Neil said:

    @SeanT

    PS JohnO is probably going to ask for an increase on the 50 you agreed to put behind the bar ;)

    I may add a special gin and tonic, just for him.
    Neil said:

    isam said:

    Why the hell didn't Hodgson just say "keep giving the ball to Andros"?

    No need for allegorys at half time surely?

    I've sat through some awful halftime team talks (including, but not limited to, "come on guys, we can keep this to single figures") but that one does sound special.
  • NEW JERSEY SPECIAL US SENATE ELECTION 2013
    Polls closed at top of the hour, here are results so far with 3.5% of precincts reporting:

    Corry Booker (D) 54%
    Steve Lonegan (R) 45%
    six others 1%

    Stick a fork in him, the wacko is toast
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    Syria: Regional conflict in stats:

    Insurgents from other countries killed on the insurgent side in Syria

    19% of them are Tunisian
    18% Libyan
    14% Iraqi
    11% Palestinian
    9% Lebanese
    9% Egyptian
    7% Saudi

    according to a recent study that looked at Arab foreign fighter deaths only on the insurgent side.

    This doesnt take into account Assad's foreign fighters including Lebanese, Iraqis and the Iranians.

    Bearing in mind the overall foreign death figures are reportedly into the low tens of thousands it gives an idea of how perhaps the Syrians fighting on both sides are both somewhat over shadowed and also running out of their own blood to fight with. It also shows one reason why the West might not want to bother, this place is a honeypot for plenty of undesirables on both sides to be eliminated in a meat grinder of a conflict.

    On a more cheery note nice to see Al Shabaab do a tribute video to British jihadists....they mention some of their ethnic origins: Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Somalia.

    I remember one poster on here suggesting the Bangladeshi community didn't have any extremist issues amongst their ranks.
  • Re: Sean T's largess, perhaps he'll consider funding the PB Home for Incurable Punters. Or better yet, a chain of such establishments, from Putney to Phuket to Puyallup!
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    You sold us on that part of Scotland, and that HOTEL! We plan to take a trip up there at some point. Just relax and let your agent do what you pay them to do. Good Luck.
    SeanT said:

    fitalass said:

    Well done @Seant! In the words of Lord Mandelson, we are "intensely relaxed about people getting filthy rich" as long as you keep posting here regularly and for free. :)

    SeanT said:

    $250,000.

    A QUARTER OF A MILLION.

    I'll stop now.

    Bloody hell.

    Ta.

    This is the Scottish book. BTW. The one set near Kinloch!

    But how am I meant to bloody sleep, when my New York agent drops this deal on me at midnight. PLUS we've had serious movie interest. AAAAAARGH. Etc.

    He wants to turn it down coz he thinks he can get more, I might give him a slap tomorrow morning and tell him to wise up.

    If I accept this deal, for the rest of my life I will be able to honestly juxtapose the words "me", "book", "sold" and "million" and not many people can do that. Sorted.

    And with that weirdness, I bid you a sweet good night.
  • Sean T, why don't you insist on a clause in your movie contract, that requires producers to give Fitalass a part? To maintain proper artistic standard, your's truly will volunteer to give her a screen test! PROVIDED that Fitaloon promises NOT to beat me up!
  • My apologies to the almost-Senator-Elect, his first name is spelled "Cory"

    With 12% of NJ precincts reporting:

    Booker 53%
    Lonegan 46%
    six others 1%
  • In NJ, only county that is close to reporting all ENight results yet is Camden, which is part of Metro Philadelphia, which in turn is NOT Booker's home turf. This county includes the City of Camden, which is a hellhole. BUT is dominated by burbs.

    Camden
    94.8% Reporting
    C. Booker Dem 64.2% 37,326
    S. Lonegan GOP 34.9% 20,300
    E. Stackhouse Ind 0.4% 259
    R. Depasquale Ind 0.2% 104
    S. Meissner Ind 0.1% 72
    P. Olivera Ind 0.1% 43
    E. Lavergne Ind 0.1% 38
    A. Sabas Ind 0.1% 30
  • Neil said:
    Thanks Neil, unfortunately the trains are too small for humans to ride!
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    NEW JERSEY SPECIAL US SENATE ELECTION 2013
    Polls closed at top of the hour, here are results so far with 3.5% of precincts reporting:

    Corry Booker (D) 54%
    Steve Lonegan (R) 45%
    six others 1%

    Stick a fork in him, the wacko is toast

    Eh? Looks like the wacko is going to win from that.

  • Must dash for a bit. Before I go, with 22% of NJ precincts reporting:

    Booker 52%
    Lonegan 47%
    six others 1%

    Lonegan is ahead in several Jersey shore counties as well as in parts of leafy NW NJ. Whereas Cory is kicking butt in his home turf of Essex Co, county seat = Newark where he is mayor.

  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,112

    Neil said:
    Thanks Neil, unfortunately the trains are too small for humans to ride!
    Describes most modern rolling stock ;-)
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,729
    Politico has called Booker the winner. With 55% reporting:

    Booker 55%
    Lonegan 44%

    http://www.politico.com/2013-election/results/senate/new-jersey/
  • Geoff, you obviously have NOT been paying attention to developments in New Jersey OR Washington DC!

    Cory is the guy who saved his elderly neighbor from burning building.

    Lonegan is the one who wants to expand the Tea Party in Congress, the folks who want to destroy the full faith and credit of the US.

    Wacko is as wacko does . . .

    with 61% of NJ precincts reporting:

    Booker 56%
    Lonegan 44%
    six others 1%

    Politico.com has declared Booker the winner. This is pickup of +1 for Dems in US Senate; special election was caused by death of late Sen. Frank Lautenberg (Dem) but Gov. Christie appointed Republican as seat-warmer pending the special election.

  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    Geoff, you obviously have NOT been paying attention to developments in New Jersey OR Washington DC!

    Cory is the guy who saved his elderly neighbor from burning building.

    Lonegan is the one who wants to expand the Tea Party in Congress, the folks who want to destroy the full faith and credit of the US.

    Wacko is as wacko does . . .

    with 61% of NJ precincts reporting:

    Booker 56%
    Lonegan 44%
    six others 1%

    Politico.com has declared Booker the winner. This is pickup of +1 for Dems in US Senate; special election was caused by death of late Sen. Frank Lautenberg (Dem) but Gov. Christie appointed Republican as seat-warmer pending the special election.

    Booker - the one who completely made up a man named “T-Bone,” who had supposedly shared some of the most intense moments of his life with? Who falsely claimed that a murdered Newark resident died in his arms? Who doesn't even live in the city he is Mayor of?

    Up against Lonegan who story of overcame blindness and poverty to get where he is today?

    The media have hardly been impartial in the matter. I'm not impartial either - I'd be a Tea Partier if I lived in the US - but the media have been particularly shocking in that election.
  • Geoff, thanks for the health warning, that you are a Tea Party hearty.

    Latest US polling shows that even self-IDed Republicans can't stand these wackoids. Wonder why?
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Not really. That polling IIRC was billed as such by the media, who have a dog in the fight, but really showed a reduction both figures for empathy with and hostility to the Tea Party. The Not Bothereds came through the middle and won the day.

    I could find the figures again if that doesn't match your recollection.

    As for the "health warning" I'm strongly libertarian - to a degree which places me outside of the mainstream - but there is no reason why a poster of your distinguished pedigree should have eyeballed my limited number of posts for "wacko" status :)
  • FinancierFinancier Posts: 3,916
    Latest YouGov / The Sun results 16th October - Con 35%, Lab 39%, LD 8%, UKIP 12%; APP -22
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,847

    isam said:

    corporeal said:

    isam said:

    corporeal said:

    corporeal said:

    So Tim, are you saying the fans banned for monkey chanting and making monkey gestures at black players were treated unjustly?

    All the circumstances must be taken into account, including the context of the utterance and the intention of the speaker. You are trying to draw hard and fast rules where they are not warranted.
    Which is why I'm not (and I don't think anyone is) calling for any disciplinary action.

    You can unintentionally say the wrong thing without meaning offence by it. I'd place metaphorically referencing a black player as a monkey as under that.
    One thing that unites humans of all creeds and colour is we are all monkeys!

    Psst, (apes).
    I know, but monkeys fitted better... Knew I shouldn't have risked it on here !
    I think the word fitting both would be "Primate" :)
    Not if you're a bishop or archbishop ...
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