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Who the public thought was telling lies on Plebgate from Dec 2012
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Especially in the light of how Labour supporters broke in this polling
Hard to decide how Cameron comes out of all this, weak for giving in to sh!tstorm in media, wily for removing a rival's campaign manager, opportunistic for sorting out a reshuffle.
Cooper jumped on the Milibandwagon only to find that the wheels have fallen off, once again.
If plebgate was a proposal for a Yes PM sketch, it might have been turned down on the grounds it lacked subtlety and resembled a low farce.
Are you one of the Gaunt Brothers?
http://labourlist.org/2013/10/andrew-mitchell-has-been-wronged-and-the-labour-movement-should-defend-him/
http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/tvandradioblog/2009/oct/15/thick-of-it-malcolm-tucker
Good that Labour have taken down labour.org.uk/plebsforpolice, but shouldn't @Ed_Miliband officially apologise? pic.twitter.com/xRJSfXHans
Has Ed Miliband apologised?
Aaron Bell @AaronBell80
@DPJHodges it seems Bob Jones has too much previous in the Mitchell case to recognise his error now: labourlist.org/2012/09/the-to…
http://labourlist.org/2012/09/the-tory-pcc-candidate-shares-on-office-with-andrew-mitchell-so-the-labour-candidate-dropped-by-with-a-letter/
Cameron evidently believed them too, hence the sacking. Does he have to apologise too?
Why should anybody apologise for having been misled by Officers whom one would normally trust to be honest?
Only on PB-redxxx, 24-hour 'adult' viewing only.
David Cameron didn't sack Andrew Mitchell, Andrew Mitchell resigned.
I remember at the time, people saying Cameron would never sack Mitchell because he was a chum.
Always Win
From tim
RT @WestMidsPCC: Watch again: Bob Jones on @SkyNews discussing Andrew Mitchell case ow.ly/pS10f
Therefore as one might expect the Victor Ludorum for the most honourable party followers goes to the Lib Dems followed some distance behind by Labour
The main question here is what Cameron is going to do about the Police Federation. His error, if indeed he did err, is a minor issue.
Officers of the Crown appear to have manipulated evidence causing a Cabinet Minister to be sacked without justification. That's f*cking serious. Those responsible should be strung up by the balls. Those that defend them should be sentenced to point duty for the duration.
Everything else is trivia by comparison.
Pakistani man risks his life for his gravity-defying moustache
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/pakistani-man-risks-his-life-for-his-gravitydefying-moustache-8751582.html
Yeah, OK, it was a resignation...in name only though.
Just think, if they can do this to a Senior member of the government, then pity the poor black kid that gets fitted up on a Saturday night in Manchester or London.
Perish the thought
Hayward thought it was a) a storm in teacup b) Probably a police stitch up, but could not be proved c)Not as important as zillions of other things. I have a reasonably good source for this.
It took Michael Crick's intervention to get it moving.
Personally if a cabinet minister wants to go through the big gates on his bike, the job of the police is to ensure he is able to. In which case "pleb" is quite a mild epithet. Perhaps as he was on a bike, they thought he was some junior staff member.
It was not the time to take on the police.
No you are (unsurprisingly) left with that conclusion. I'm left with the conclusion that David Cameron probably deemed this was potential dynamite and wisely chose to keep the power of the PMs office out of it until the truth of the matter was firmly established.
I can only imagine the furore from people such as yourself had he backed the wrong side prematurely because of mistakes relating to forensic skills which you quite absurdly suggest he should possess.
You're labouring of this point only illustrates your disappointment that the PM did not jump in with both feet.
But I am prepared to bet that Cameron made it abundantly clear - to Mitchell and to the top of the Met - that he wanted to know EXACTLY what had gone on, and would not rest until he did know. He could give that assurance to Mitchell - together with some comfort that if it proved to be the case that he had been wronged, that would be remedied in due course.
It has taken time. But we now know the gob-smacking, quite remarkable truth - a team of crack coppers, tasked with protecting one of the most sensitive sites in the land, were in fact scheming and conniving to remove an official of our democratically elected Government from that very site.
As I said as soon as the documents started getting leaked by the cops, the whole bloody lot should have been demoted to driving parking wardens around.
There is a cancer at the heart of British policing. Cameron's approach has at least diagnosed that. Dr. Miliband's approach? Was just to assume the patient was making up his symptoms....
Given the nature of the system, voters will now have the chance to vote out conclusion-jumping bob Jones at the next election, should they wish to do so.
I'm sure you welcome that opportunity for democracy to take its course.
I can only imagine the bile from tim if you had suggested that when this story broke.
Any officers guilty of deliberate misinformation/lies in this saga should be sacked forthwith. And to Mr Mitchell, I apologise.
I know they're in a play off (but that's against Jordan, the country, not Katie Price)
But they have two of the best forwards in World football up front, and local conditions could suit them,
Decent trading bet?
2.They knew it was dynamite so didn't do anything
3.They did lots of things in private.
That is a gross misrepresentation of what has been argued and you know it.
Listen to Peter, stop this pedantry on PB, full stop.
(and yes chaps, you're right)
To tim it's just normal behaviour.
Sure, he was on for a different purpose, but this is the sort of blatant crossing of the line that civil society needs to close ranks on. You don't tolerate the lying that went on in this case.
As for the West Midlands PCC... If he isn't trounced at the next election then we have a serious problem - the electorate will have decided to side with those who want to cover this all up.
Heck of a prize that one given the volume of output being spent on a sideshow.
10 months on from that the Police no charges have been brought. Why not? What is the CPS doing?
At the same time Plebgate II is demonstrated to be yet more lies by Police federation officers. Much more than 10 months on decisions are made not to discipline those involved and thankfully the IPCC had the gumption to say that was absurd.
This really isn't that complicated. We are discussing an incident at a gate that took less than 30 seconds and a meeting of which there is a tape recording. If people are wondering how episodes like this undermine the police and indeed any reliance on any authority in this country they don't need to look at the clock. They need to look at the calendar.
That was an interview was marking the end of his tenure as DPP was it not?
"The man who can be trusted in little things can be trusted in great; the man who is dishonest little things will be dishonest in great."
Links? (Don't worry, you can fabricate other evidence later if you want)
Policemen who stitch up innocent people should be fired.
Now lets move on..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-24555387
He is DPP. His job is to enforce the law as enacted by Parliament.
Parliament must ensure that it is the master of the police. Too many police, for too long, have escaped justice for lying. Some need to spend time inside to put a check on it.
Top pedantry points to those pointing out that the @houseofcommons is using AV for the new #deputyspeaker not STV, as there's only one post.
49.1% for Yes
13.9% for No
37% failed to vote.
Turnout of 63% compares with 65.1% at the last UK general election.
For you posties ze war is over.
My issue is that he seems to have made some interesting decisions about priorities and what he will or won't pursue. His job is not to interpret the will of parliament but to judge the evidence against a strict standard.
Edit: This will be my last post for several hours, so I won't be able to reply promptly.
Mark Pack @markpack 28s
Jim Wallace new leader of the Liberal Democrats in the House of Lords http://bit.ly/1aoIPKv
I guess the Royal Mail strikers are trying to show who is Master and Servant.
Any news on the deputy speaker election yet?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_O37cE1j64
Do they want an earlier date to exercise their share options ?
The buffet car is definitely shut posties - the good times are over.