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edited October 2013 in General

politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Tories get to within one percent in today’s YouGov daily poll

As yet I have not seen the detailed data to see if there were sampling issues which might be an explanation. I will update this post when that is available.

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  • So excluding Scotland the Tories are ahead.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    It's all going according to forecast...

    ;-)
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,112
    The decline was well underway on the date of the budget, as can be seen here:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/96/UK_opinion_polling_2010-2015.png
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,112
    Also have to add just how amazed at rock-solid the LD share seems to be in all opinion polls in the last 3 years!
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    RobD said:

    Also have to add just how amazed at rock-solid the LD share seems to be in all opinion polls in the last 3 years!

    I think the graph is quite pedestrian. The Kalman filter would be a better tracker. Just look at the UKIP surge, which isn't properly captured in the graph...
  • So excluding Scotland the Tories are ahead.

    And if you exclude the south it's a Labour landslide!!

  • GE2015 isn't going to be close. The Conservatives will win an outright majority.

    19 months still to go and they're almost neck-and-neck with a wilting Labour party, the economy massively turning and two spring-times still to come before voting?

    The writing's on the wall. Catch up.
  • The final paragraph of this article, which is otherwise quite a bleat, nails what is the biggest issue facing all politicians in this country today.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/lifestyle/10377807/Well-never-have-it-so-good-again.html

    A society in which most people see their living standards stagnate or fall, while a tiny minority very visibly get richer and richer, is not sustainable. And in the end the 1% will find they are not immune to the consequences.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    So excluding Scotland the Tories are ahead.

    And if you exclude the south it's a Labour landslide!!

    And if you exclude everything except Cambourne town council then Mebyon Kernow are the Official Opposition.

  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    So those pesky LIb Dem 2010 switchers might not be the key to GE 2015 after all. Who'd have thunk it.
  • O/T
    Today's Matt:
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/matt/
    Priceless. Yet again.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Another outlier or more evidence of that closing trend? Whatever it is - a little spring in my step with this and ICM at just 4pts.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,847
    GeoffM said:

    So excluding Scotland the Tories are ahead.

    And if you exclude the south it's a Labour landslide!!

    And if you exclude everything except Cambourne town council then Mebyon Kernow are the Official Opposition.

    Oi, Cambourne's officially a village (well, three villages). I doubt we'll ever have a Mebyon Kernow candidate here in the heart of high-tech Cambridgeshire...

    I think you may mean Camborne.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambourne
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camborne
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    The final paragraph of this article, which is otherwise quite a bleat, nails what is the biggest issue facing all politicians in this country today.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/lifestyle/10377807/Well-never-have-it-so-good-again.html

    A society in which most people see their living standards stagnate or fall, while a tiny minority very visibly get richer and richer, is not sustainable. And in the end the 1% will find they are not immune to the consequences.

    A typical lefty passive-aggressive mix of hollow threats and envy. Grow up.

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    GeoffM said:


    A society in which most people see their living standards stagnate or fall, while a tiny minority very visibly get richer and richer, is not sustainable. And in the end the 1% will find they are not immune to the consequences.

    Hence the fall of communism around the World...

    Nicolae Ceaușescu thought he was one of the 1%
  • GeoffM said:

    The final paragraph of this article, which is otherwise quite a bleat, nails what is the biggest issue facing all politicians in this country today.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/lifestyle/10377807/Well-never-have-it-so-good-again.html

    A society in which most people see their living standards stagnate or fall, while a tiny minority very visibly get richer and richer, is not sustainable. And in the end the 1% will find they are not immune to the consequences.

    A typical lefty passive-aggressive mix of hollow threats and envy. Grow up.

    What an utterly pathetic comment.

  • Scott_P said:

    GeoffM said:


    A society in which most people see their living standards stagnate or fall, while a tiny minority very visibly get richer and richer, is not sustainable. And in the end the 1% will find they are not immune to the consequences.

    Hence the fall of communism around the World...

    Nicolae Ceaușescu thought he was one of the 1%

    He was one of the 1% in Romania, yes.

  • tim said:

    GeoffM said:

    The final paragraph of this article, which is otherwise quite a bleat, nails what is the biggest issue facing all politicians in this country today.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/lifestyle/10377807/Well-never-have-it-so-good-again.html

    A society in which most people see their living standards stagnate or fall, while a tiny minority very visibly get richer and richer, is not sustainable. And in the end the 1% will find they are not immune to the consequences.

    A typical lefty passive-aggressive mix of hollow threats and envy. Grow up.

    What an utterly pathetic comment.

    Anyone to the left of Sarah Palin/Peter Bone is a lefty to the PB Tea Party Tories.

    Thats why they managed to call the "use it or lose it" communist land grab (supported by the majority of Tory voters) so badly wrong.

    If GeoffM wants to stick his fingers in his ears and run around calling people silly names I guess it's up to him. But it doesn't say much for the political views he professes to hold. I'd have thought right wingers hold the beliefs they do because they feel that they will deliver the best outcomes for the most people. Clearly Geoff isn't particularly interested in arguing that.

  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,854
    Just done a YouGov poll which asked me, inter alia, how i felt about the economic future both personally and nationally.

    Wonder when that'll be out.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Latest ARSE 2015 General Election Projection :

    99 minutes 9 seconds
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    edited October 2013
    May I just repeat one of my pompous posts from last night when IOS was again repeating the PBReds nailed on mantra....

    38/34/ the rest.

    Marginals may indeed be worse but then again they will be the most volatile by definition so still all to play for...

    Amazing how the PBtories get everything wrong on every issue and yet despite our massive influence the evil Blues are st ill within touching distance of what they scored versus the worst prime minister Labout felt like putting the blues up against ever ...

    Remarkable. Just how bad is Labour in opposition? Their failure to outpoll by double digits must surely be a mirror of the supposed terrible failure of Cammo vs Brown...

    Howzat!!
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Whether it's an outlier, simple MOE variation, or part of a trend, Labour are absolutely right to try to shift the debate from "cuts" and "the economy" on to "living standards":

    Cuts good or bad for the economy:
    Net good; +4 (+1)

    Necessary or unnecessary:
    Net necessary: +33 (+5)

    Who's to blame:
    Coalition: 23 (-2)
    Labour: 38 (+1)

  • Thuopght for the day from Ed's bezzie mate

    I hope Owen doesn't have any ISAs - disgusting tax avoidance if so?

    Owen Jones‏@OwenJones849h
    Those who complain ‘Ah, but tax avoidance is legal while benefit fraud isn’t’. What does that tell you about whose side the law is on?
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Eds 50p in the electricity meter didn't last long - soft headed plan = soft support.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    New Private Eye cover is top drawer....
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    TGOHF said:

    Eds 50p in the electricity meter didn't last long - soft headed plan = soft support.

    It's not Ed's that's soft - he's been on 38+ for 3 weeks - it's Nigel who should worry about drooping.....

  • MillsyMillsy Posts: 900
    I'd love to see this repeated tomorrow but I doubt it!

    We will get Mori on Wednesday or Thursday, let's see how low the Labour lead is with that one.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    A society in which most people see their living standards stagnate or fall, while a tiny minority very visibly get richer and richer, is not sustainable. And in the end the 1% will find they are not immune to the consequences.

    We're seeing that played out in Greece right now - just faster, and absolute declines, not years of stagnation....
  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,759
    Outlier I think!
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    tim said:

    Whether it's an outlier, simple MOE variation, or part of a trend, Labour are absolutely right to try to shift the debate from "cuts" and "the economy" on to "living standards":

    Cuts good or bad for the economy:
    Net good; +4 (+1)

    Necessary or unnecessary:
    Net necessary: +33 (+5)

    Who's to blame:
    Coalition: 23 (-2)
    Labour: 38 (+1)

    There are no cuts, spending is rising this year.

    That's the funniest part! Labour getting the blame for cuts that aren't happening! Perhaps they shouldn't have gone on and on and on and on and on about them?

  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    edited October 2013
    SMukesh said:

    Outlier I think hope!

  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Latest ARSE 2015 General Election Projection Countdown :

    1 hour 1 minute 1 second
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,758
    Wonder why weighted numbers of 594/520 equals a 1 pt lead?
  • FensterFenster Posts: 2,115
    tim said:

    tim said:

    GeoffM said:

    The final paragraph of this article, which is otherwise quite a bleat, nails what is the biggest issue facing all politicians in this country today.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/lifestyle/10377807/Well-never-have-it-so-good-again.html

    A society in which most people see their living standards stagnate or fall, while a tiny minority very visibly get richer and richer, is not sustainable. And in the end the 1% will find they are not immune to the consequences.

    A typical lefty passive-aggressive mix of hollow threats and envy. Grow up.

    What an utterly pathetic comment.

    Anyone to the left of Sarah Palin/Peter Bone is a lefty to the PB Tea Party Tories.

    Thats why they managed to call the "use it or lose it" communist land grab (supported by the majority of Tory voters) so badly wrong.

    If GeoffM wants to stick his fingers in his ears and run around calling people silly names I guess it's up to him. But it doesn't say much for the political views he professes to hold. I'd have thought right wingers hold the beliefs they do because they feel that they will deliver the best outcomes for the most people. Clearly Geoff isn't particularly interested in arguing that.

    He's the one going on about Milbands bastard children the other night, I'd take him as seriously as something I'd stepped in.

    GeoffM has a serious idea on guns though, arguing that we should all have one in Britain. For defence purposes. After all, it works so well in the States, where hardly anyone ever shoots anyone.

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,574
    Meanwhile in the 'real' poll: CON 34 (+2) LAB 38 (+2) LD 12 (-2) UKIP 8 (-1)

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,061
    Good morning, everyone.

    Markets are up on Betfair for the next race, but they haven't really got going yet. Only been two races in India so far, but neither have featured a safety car (unsurprising given lack of undulation and enormous, weak-kneed run off areas) so I'll keep an eye open for the No Safety Car odds.

    On-topic, well, one of the upsides of continuous polling is that we'll be able to find it in the very near future. I suspect it's more margin of error than a significant movement, however.
  • FinancierFinancier Posts: 3,916
    Major change from the ST poll is the 2010 LD Split, which has happened before.

    STimes: Con: 13; LAB:38; LD:32;UKIP:7;Gn: 6; Nats:2; Oth:2.
    Today: Con: 16: LAB:29;LD:39; UKIP:8;Gn:4: Nats:3; Oth:1

    FYI: Cons voting UKIP: ST:15; Today:14
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    edited October 2013
    As far as I can see the massive problem in this poll is the failure to secure enough 18-24 year olds in the sample.

    They could only find 32 men out of a target of 111 which means that the views of those that did take part had to be scaled up by 3.5 times.

    With women in that segment only 58 were found against target of 110.

    The result was that for this usually pro-LAB segment the split was 39/39/14/0

    YouGov also had problem with finding Sun readers and those that did take part had their views scaled up 2.96 times.

    So a male in the youngest age bracket who reads the Sun could have had his views scaled up by more than nine-fold.

  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,847
    tim said:

    More rigging the market in communist subsidies for rural voters

    Tom Newton Dunn ‏@tnewtondunn
    EXCL: Remote regions in line for a 5p a litre fuel duty cut as @dannyalexander applies to EU this week #sunplus http://cma.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/5202223/Treasury-Chief-Sec-in-bid-to-knock-5p-off-country-petrol.html

    That is a much more valid argument than the railways one, as, for the reasons given before, the railways are about as far from being a market as is possible.

    (Indeed, I read something a few months ago that argued that the railways are under more central government control nowadays than they were under the later years of BR).

    The fuel levy was apparently in the coalition agreement. It would be interesting to know if this was pushed more by the Conservative or Lib Dem side.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-12648814

    But again, there is a big difference between this and Miliband's madness. In his scheme, the government would be telling the energy companies what price they should be selling energy for, regardless of the cost of the energy to the companies.

    This scheme is the government deciding to reduce their tax take on something.

    Apples and oranges.
  • kjohnwkjohnw Posts: 1,456
    I thought 18-24 year olds were more Tory than labour these days
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,671
    GeoffM said:

    The final paragraph of this article, which is otherwise quite a bleat, nails what is the biggest issue facing all politicians in this country today.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/lifestyle/10377807/Well-never-have-it-so-good-again.html

    A society in which most people see their living standards stagnate or fall, while a tiny minority very visibly get richer and richer, is not sustainable. And in the end the 1% will find they are not immune to the consequences.

    A typical lefty passive-aggressive mix of hollow threats and envy. Grow up.

    If you cannot see the truth in that then you are blinkered. We are the 4th most unequal country in the world and heading for the top spot , at some point the have nots will get fed up eating cake.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,112
    edited October 2013
    tim said:

    RobD said:
    Osbornes claim to fiscal probity disappears
    Nu-uh! It was all Chuka's incessant ramping. If he were on PB he would have been perma-banned long ago. :p
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,061
    Mr. G, a point of order: inequality is utterly irrelevant. What matters is that the poor have sufficient for a reasonable standard of living.

    If we were all dirt poor there'd be zero inequality and quite a lot of starvation.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,671

    Mr. G, a point of order: inequality is utterly irrelevant. What matters is that the poor have sufficient for a reasonable standard of living.

    If we were all dirt poor there'd be zero inequality and quite a lot of starvation.

    Absolutely Morris , but the poor nowadays can see the consumption and at some point people will feel they are getting shafted. Most people are OK with other people making lots of money when it trickles down sufficiently that they can live a reasonable life. UK at this point is getting worse and worse, it will cause problems at some point.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,061
    Mr. G, it would be interesting to know whether most people feel angrier at the 'unfair' rich or those who either cheat the system or live a whole life on benefits.

    Anyway, I hope the green levies on energy get axed, but I would be rather astounded if they were.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Although the biggest swing vs the most recent YouGov is in the 18-24 segment - suggesting sampling issues, per OGH, other segments show a decline in Labour lead:

    Age Segments Labour lead (vs Sunday YouGov)
    OA: +1 (-4)
    18-24: 0 (-11)
    25-39: +8 (+4)
    40-59: +9 (-4)
    60+: -13 (-5)

    These will bounce around from poll to poll - it'll all even out over the next couple of polls.....
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,047
    Owing to some pretty lax security I was able to get a sneak preview of Jack's ARSE and I have to say it's not a pretty sight. The headline is ED WILL NEVER BE PRIME MINISTER.

    I'm looking at the internals as I type and they don't make comfortable viewing
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,061
    edited October 2013
    Mr. Roger, I hope you don't take this as an insult but I find it hard to believe that you have a firm grasp of Mr. W's ARSE.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @JoeWatts_: This morning I tweeted the front page of the new Private Eye. Now this from Hacked Off. http://t.co/7TRg2Q55Jr
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    edited October 2013
    Scott_P said:

    @JoeWatts_: This morning I tweeted the front page of the new Private Eye. Now this from Hacked Off. http://t.co/7TRg2Q55Jr

    The Private Eye front cover:

    The Private Eye Press Regulation Special...superb pic.twitter.com/cdo1htJEyE
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,192
    At the risk of being consistent I refuse to get too excited about a yougov poll and think yesterday's phone poll more like it. Still it appears the tories have got their marching boots on again. Economic optimism remains the key.

    I also think we just might be heading towards an election where the long term trend of a reduction in share for the big 2 will suffer a significant reverse. This may well make some of the marginals really unpredictable.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Roger Highfield @RogerHighfield
    MT@jameswilsdon: UK overtakes Japan to become 2nd most frequent scientific coauthor with China, says @nesta_uk timeshighereducation.co.uk/news/uk-overta… <gosh
  • Mr. G, it would be interesting to know whether most people feel angrier at the 'unfair' rich or those who either cheat the system or live a whole life on benefits.

    Anyway, I hope the green levies on energy get axed, but I would be rather astounded if they were.

    GE 2015 message:
    Vote LD for an INCREASE in ALL fuel bills (of 100%, according to BBC report at the w/e - more, much, much more by 2030 to pay for farcical 'decarbonisation')

    Vote Labour for a (short) FREEZE in domestic fuel prices (expect road fuel prices to rocket); NB - RedEd got us into this absurd position as Energy Minister.

    Vote Conservative for a CUT is fuel prices, as RedEd's insane Carbon/Green taxes are eliminated and a free market for home fuels is restored.

    Good luck to all but Conservatives in selling their respective messages, though it requires that greatest of all impossibilities to happen - a politician (specifically, Cameron) to say 'I was wrong'.

    Green taxes were, are, and always will be, a sure-fire way to strangle the economy, impoverish our people and stuff a few peoples' pockets with cash whilst impoverishing the rest of us.

    Oh - and who was it on here suggested that we use the Chinese to build UK nuclear power stations some weeks ago? I assume we'll not endorse the suggestion properly though - allow the Chinese to employ their own people, paid at their own rates, under their own laws (inc H&S) with the UK only providing quality control (and any materials the Chinese choose to buy from us on open competitive tender)
  • So excluding Scotland the Tories are ahead.

    True, but yet strangely misleading. Because the Scottish Tories are actually doing relatively better than their English cousins. In this YouGov they are on 21%, up 4 points on 2010. Which is not unusual if you look at Scottish sub-samples from a range of pollsters over the last few weeks.

    The credit/blame (delete per partisan viewpoint) for this state of affairs lies firmly at the door of Alastair Darling, the PM's dependable man in the Scotch province.

    (Psst, don't look at the SNP figure. We don't want the Surgers to notice...)
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,709

    So those pesky LIb Dem 2010 switchers might not be the key to GE 2015 after all. Who'd have thunk it.

    If you believe this polling then they are. Cons who were tempted by UKIP or don't-vote after the omnishambles budget come home, and the difference between last time and this time is the 2010 LibDems. That's how you get a poll like this pointing to Lab NOM or small Lab maj without Lab apparently having taken any net votes off Con.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,047
    edited October 2013
    MD

    "I find it hard to believe you have a firm grasp on Mr W's ARSE"

    I think you're right.There seem to be so many sampling issues my advice would be to take it with a large dollop of salt and just suck it and see
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,295
    (O/T - EiT - Short note of thanks for solving my pbc access difficulties - yes, it was the www1 thinggy doodah that was the cause. Everything back to normal.)
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    Scott_P said:

    @JoeWatts_: This morning I tweeted the front page of the new Private Eye. Now this from Hacked Off. http://t.co/7TRg2Q55Jr

    The Private Eye front cover:

    The Private Eye Press Regulation Special...superb pic.twitter.com/cdo1htJEyE
    Hacked off comms chief only has 180 followers? Ouch.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,295
    @tim - 'Ere moosh, you willing to add me to that bet (£50) with DavidL on this year's deficit being lower than last?
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699

    Mr. G, it would be interesting to know whether most people feel angrier at the 'unfair' rich or those who either cheat the system or live a whole life on benefits.

    Anyway, I hope the green levies on energy get axed, but I would be rather astounded if they were.

    GE 2015 message:
    Vote LD for an INCREASE in ALL fuel bills (of 100%, according to BBC report at the w/e - more, much, much more by 2030 to pay for farcical 'decarbonisation')

    Vote Labour for a (short) FREEZE in domestic fuel prices (expect road fuel prices to rocket); NB - RedEd got us into this absurd position as Energy Minister.

    Vote Conservative for a CUT is fuel prices, as RedEd's insane Carbon/Green taxes are eliminated and a free market for home fuels is restored.

    Good luck to all but Conservatives in selling their respective messages, though it requires that greatest of all impossibilities to happen - a politician (specifically, Cameron) to say 'I was wrong'.

    Green taxes were, are, and always will be, a sure-fire way to strangle the economy, impoverish our people and stuff a few peoples' pockets with cash whilst impoverishing the rest of us.

    Oh - and who was it on here suggested that we use the Chinese to build UK nuclear power stations some weeks ago? I assume we'll not endorse the suggestion properly though - allow the Chinese to employ their own people, paid at their own rates, under their own laws (inc H&S) with the UK only providing quality control (and any materials the Chinese choose to buy from us on open competitive tender)
    Whether you agree with green taxes on energy or not , it is interesting that Conservatives such as yourself no longer believe that the UK has a financial debt/deficit problem that that there is an endless pot of money that the Treasury can afford to remove the green taxes we already have .
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    "Green taxes, which help pay for onshore wind farms, currently account for about 10 per cent of the average energy bill, and the proportion is expected to rise to a third by 2020.

    But the Deputy Prime Minister said that any decision to axe environmental levies on people’s household bills would end up increasing bills."

    We have always been at war with East Asia http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10377848/Scrapping-green-taxes-would-increase-energy-bills-says-Nick-Clegg.html
  • Morning, Comrades! YouGov - must be an outlier!
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,192
    Of course I cannot hope to match Jack's magnificent Arse but my guess at the moment is that both the tories and Labour will see an increase in their vote but who increases the most being uncertain with Labour's early high probability easing more to evens.

    How this will shake out I am not sure but we may well see a Parliament where putting any kind of a majority together is quite difficult with a much reduced Lib Dem contingent.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Latest ARSE 2015 General Election Projection Countdown :

    5 minutes.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    edited October 2013
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    London’s initial quota has been set at 80 billion RMB.

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    The move is a significant development for Chinese banks, the five biggest of which already have a London presence.

    The Chancellor, George Osborne, said:

    A great nation like China should have a great global currency.

    Today we agreed the next big step in making London - already the global centre for finance - a major global centre for trading and now investing the Chinese currency too.

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    London now accounts for 62% of global RMB trading conducted outside of China and Hong Kong, and 28% of all international RMB payments are made in the UK (the most outside of Hong Kong and Mainland China) surpassing Singapore
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Latest ARSE 2015 General Election Projection :

    Con 298 .. Lab 276 .. LibDem 38 .. SNP 12 .. PC 2 .. NI 18 .. Ukip 2 .. Respect 1 .. Green 1 .. Ind 1 .. Speaker 1

    Conservatives 28 seats short of a majority.
  • JackW said:

    Latest ARSE 2015 General Election Projection :

    Con 298 .. Lab 276 .. LibDem 38 .. SNP 12 .. PC 2 .. NI 18 .. Ukip 2 .. Respect 1 .. Green 1 .. Ind 1 .. Speaker 1

    Conservatives 28 seats short of a majority.

    Hmmmm... must be another outlier :)
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
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  • Oliver_PBOliver_PB Posts: 397


    A society in which most people see their living standards stagnate or fall, while a tiny minority very visibly get richer and richer, is not sustainable. And in the end the 1% will find they are not immune to the consequences.

    Of course they are immune to the consequences.

    Open borders mean the super-wealthy can flee the country and they control the markets can punish any attempts redistribute wealth can be punished
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,192
    JackW said:

    Latest ARSE 2015 General Election Projection :

    Con 298 .. Lab 276 .. LibDem 38 .. SNP 12 .. PC 2 .. NI 18 .. Ukip 2 .. Respect 1 .. Green 1 .. Ind 1 .. Speaker 1

    Conservatives 28 seats short of a majority.

    Ukip are simply not going to win any seats on anything like their current level of polling Jack. Other than that I think that is a fairly good stab. As I said watching whether largest party + Lib Dems equals a majority is something to keep an eye on. You are indicating an overall majority of 20 which is about the minimum for stable government (ask John major).
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Mario Creatura @MarioCreatura
    Green policies add 41% to energy costs by 2030: ft.com/cms/s/0/826d34… (£) That Clegg wants to block a reduction in these taxes is absurd.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Nice ARSE - Cons may look to Ulster for insurance ?
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Plato said:

    Mario Creatura @MarioCreatura
    Green policies add 41% to energy costs by 2030: ft.com/cms/s/0/826d34… (£) That Clegg wants to block a reduction in these taxes is absurd.

    Which other taxes are you going to put up so that you can reduce green taxes on energy ?
  • JackW said:

    Latest ARSE 2015 General Election Projection :

    Con 298 .. Lab 276 .. LibDem 38 .. SNP 12 .. PC 2 .. NI 18 .. Ukip 2 .. Respect 1 .. Green 1 .. Ind 1 .. Speaker 1

    Conservatives 28 seats short of a majority.

    Err... exactly which 6 seats are you predicting the SNP to gain? Airdrie and Shotts? Glasgow NE? Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath?
  • Plato said:

    Guido Fawkes @GuidoFawkes
    Remember first time I met @ChrisBryantMP years ago (at PCC seminar) he told everyone he wanted to see my blog closed down. @hugorifkind

    And so it should be! Guido is crap compared to PB.com!!
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    edited October 2013
    JackW said:

    Latest ARSE 2015 General Election Projection :

    Con 298 .. Lab 276 .. LibDem 38 .. SNP 12 .. PC 2 .. NI 18 .. Ukip 2 .. Respect 1 .. Green 1 .. Ind 1 .. Speaker 1

    Conservatives 28 seats short of a majority.

    From my personal betting perspective this is an ideal outcome.

    I've 8/1 on UKIP getting more than one seat and 9/1 on another LD-CON coalition - both substantial bets.

    I've also got 40/1 bet that UKIP would be in next coalition.

    If there is no coalition but a hung parliament I've a substantial bet at 12/1.

    My worse outcome is a LAB majority.

  • Plato said:

    Guido Fawkes @GuidoFawkes
    Remember first time I met @ChrisBryantMP years ago (at PCC seminar) he told everyone he wanted to see my blog closed down. @hugorifkind

    And so it should be! Guido is crap compared to PB.com!!
    Sorry but Guido is way way better. There was a time, about 3-5 years ago, when this site posted balanced, neutral, yet incisive threads but it has gone steadily downhill coinciding with the LibDems advent in Government.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    edited October 2013
    Betfair "Most seats"

    Labour 1.85
    Con 2.18

    Betfair "Maj"

    NOM : 2.52

    Arse fans can still get some value.


  • tim said:

    This rip off of the taxpayer over Royal Mail is immense.
    15 years savings from the benefit cap blown in one misjudgement

    It's not a misjudgement. Like most publicly owned organisations Royal Mail needed to be cut free to fend for itself in the free market.

    Still, I expect you will sink back to loaded voodoo opinion polls that use the toxic word 'privatisation' to back up your socialist tripe.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    DavidL said:

    JackW said:

    Latest ARSE 2015 General Election Projection :

    Con 298 .. Lab 276 .. LibDem 38 .. SNP 12 .. PC 2 .. NI 18 .. Ukip 2 .. Respect 1 .. Green 1 .. Ind 1 .. Speaker 1

    Conservatives 28 seats short of a majority.

    Ukip are simply not going to win any seats on anything like their current level of polling Jack. Other than that I think that is a fairly good stab. As I said watching whether largest party + Lib Dems equals a majority is something to keep an eye on. You are indicating an overall majority of 20 which is about the minimum for stable government (ask John major).
    Ukip numbers are more likely to revolve around their high profile candidates than their strict polling numbers. Similiarly Respect has Galloway but the party will poll badly.

  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    tim said:

    This rip off of the taxpayer over Royal Mail is immense.
    15 years savings from the benefit cap blown in one misjudgement

    It's not a misjudgement. Like most publicly owned organisations Royal Mail needed to be cut free to fend for itself in the free market.

    Still, I expect you will sink back to loaded voodoo opinion polls that use the toxic word 'privatisation' to back up your socialist tripe.
    tim has never heard of tracker funds. Many got no shares - guess what they have to do this week...
  • JackW said:

    Latest ARSE 2015 General Election Projection :

    Con 298 .. Lab 276 .. LibDem 38 .. SNP 12 .. PC 2 .. NI 18 .. Ukip 2 .. Respect 1 .. Green 1 .. Ind 1 .. Speaker 1

    Conservatives 28 seats short of a majority.

    From my personal betting perspective this is an ideal outcome.

    I've 8/1 on UKIP getting more than one seat and 9/1 on another LD-CON coalition - both substantial bets.

    I've also got 40/1 bet that UKIP would be in next coalition.

    If there is no coalition but a hung parliament I've a substantial bet at 12/1.

    My worse outcome is a LAB majority.

    The serious money to be made, and the obvious steer you should give if you can get over your innate personal LibDem bias, is to follow the trend, and bet on an outright Cons win. That's where the money is. I shall be proved right in 2015.
  • So those pesky LIb Dem 2010 switchers might not be the key to GE 2015 after all. Who'd have thunk it.

    ROFL. Indeed :D
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    tim said:

    "Betrayal of elderly on social care costs
    Thousands could be forced to sell homes despite earlier Government assurances"

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10378848/Betrayal-of-elderly-on-social-care-costs.html

    Lefty paper.

    Why should the taxpayer pay for someone just so they can preserve their assets?

    Clearly there is a case for allowing deferment in some cases (e.g. when there is a couple of whom only one needs care) and for insurance against catastrophic costs (hence the capping) but otherwise people should expect to spend the assets they have built up during their working life.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    JackW said:

    Latest ARSE 2015 General Election Projection :

    Con 298 .. Lab 276 .. LibDem 38 .. SNP 12 .. PC 2 .. NI 18 .. Ukip 2 .. Respect 1 .. Green 1 .. Ind 1 .. Speaker 1

    Conservatives 28 seats short of a majority.

    Err... exactly which 6 seats are you predicting the SNP to gain? Airdrie and Shotts? Glasgow NE? Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath?
    My ARSE be undertaking individual seat projections within the JackW Dozen - 13 marginal seats to follow for the election. It will include SNP targets but will not issue these projections until May 2014.

  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    tim said:

    Deafening silence from the PB Tories on Goves Madrassa

    @websofsubstance: Strong stuff from Mr Hunt. http://t.co/ulf1Zd02oD … Good to see. via @johndavidblake

    You don't think they might be waiting for the Ofsted report perhaps?
  • Pulpstar said:

    Meanwhile in the 'real' poll: CON 34 (+2) LAB 38 (+2) LD 12 (-2) UKIP 8 (-1)

    Zee golden Smithson rule: a rogue poll is one you don't like the results of ...

  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    JackW said:

    JackW said:

    Latest ARSE 2015 General Election Projection :

    Con 298 .. Lab 276 .. LibDem 38 .. SNP 12 .. PC 2 .. NI 18 .. Ukip 2 .. Respect 1 .. Green 1 .. Ind 1 .. Speaker 1

    Conservatives 28 seats short of a majority.

    Err... exactly which 6 seats are you predicting the SNP to gain? Airdrie and Shotts? Glasgow NE? Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath?
    My ARSE be undertaking individual seat projections within the JackW Dozen - 13 marginal seats to follow for the election. It will include SNP targets but will not issue these projections until May 2014.

    Does your latest ARSE show a Sourby HOLD ?
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724

    Pulpstar said:

    Meanwhile in the 'real' poll: CON 34 (+2) LAB 38 (+2) LD 12 (-2) UKIP 8 (-1)

    Zee golden Smithson rule: a rogue poll is one you don't like the results of ...

    I suspect that I'll only be able to read your thoughts on Twitter very shortly.
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    edited October 2013

    JackW said:

    Latest ARSE 2015 General Election Projection :

    Con 298 .. Lab 276 .. LibDem 38 .. SNP 12 .. PC 2 .. NI 18 .. Ukip 2 .. Respect 1 .. Green 1 .. Ind 1 .. Speaker 1

    Conservatives 28 seats short of a majority.

    From my personal betting perspective this is an ideal outcome.

    I've 8/1 on UKIP getting more than one seat and 9/1 on another LD-CON coalition - both substantial bets.

    I've also got 40/1 bet that UKIP would be in next coalition.

    If there is no coalition but a hung parliament I've a substantial bet at 12/1.

    My worse outcome is a LAB majority.

    Good that you've aligned the worst outcome with the National interest in terms of the worst option!

  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,587
    edited October 2013
    GeoffM said:



    A typical lefty passive-aggressive mix of hollow threats and envy. Grow up.

    Yep, those typical lefty passive-aggressive Daily Telegraph columnists, they're a pain, aren't they?

  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    O/T - the Grayson Perry Reith Lecture (R4 now, iplayer later) is a hoot!
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    tim said:
    Without adjustments they wouldn't be the "gold standard".

    Are we into the "wrong kind of poll adjustments" zone already ?
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    DavidL said:

    JackW said:

    Latest ARSE 2015 General Election Projection :

    Con 298 .. Lab 276 .. LibDem 38 .. SNP 12 .. PC 2 .. NI 18 .. Ukip 2 .. Respect 1 .. Green 1 .. Ind 1 .. Speaker 1

    Conservatives 28 seats short of a majority.

    Ukip are simply not going to win any seats on anything like their current level of polling Jack. Other than that I think that is a fairly good stab. As I said watching whether largest party + Lib Dems equals a majority is something to keep an eye on. You are indicating an overall majority of 20 which is about the minimum for stable government (ask John major).
    You could probably make an argument that a coalition with a majority of 20 is more stable than a single party with a majority of 20.

    In theory, the disagreements should get thrashed out before they hit the floor of the house, whereas in a single party it's down to the whips to keep the Peter Bones and Jeremy Corbyns in line

    Drifting into fantasy though...if this were the result, do you think the boundary changes would get through this time...
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    JackW said:

    Latest ARSE 2015 General Election Projection :

    Con 298 .. Lab 276 .. LibDem 38 .. SNP 12 .. PC 2 .. NI 18 .. Ukip 2 .. Respect 1 .. Green 1 .. Ind 1 .. Speaker 1

    Conservatives 28 seats short of a majority.

    From my personal betting perspective this is an ideal outcome.

    I've 8/1 on UKIP getting more than one seat and 9/1 on another LD-CON coalition - both substantial bets.

    I've also got 40/1 bet that UKIP would be in next coalition.

    If there is no coalition but a hung parliament I've a substantial bet at 12/1.

    My worse outcome is a LAB majority.

    Mike, I'm always pleased my ARSE is of service to you. Actually there's been remarkably little change over the past six months :

    Con within the range 290-306.
    Lab within 268-280
    LibDems within 38-44
    SNP within 10-13

  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Charles said:

    DavidL said:

    JackW said:

    Latest ARSE 2015 General Election Projection :

    Con 298 .. Lab 276 .. LibDem 38 .. SNP 12 .. PC 2 .. NI 18 .. Ukip 2 .. Respect 1 .. Green 1 .. Ind 1 .. Speaker 1

    Conservatives 28 seats short of a majority.

    Ukip are simply not going to win any seats on anything like their current level of polling Jack. Other than that I think that is a fairly good stab. As I said watching whether largest party + Lib Dems equals a majority is something to keep an eye on. You are indicating an overall majority of 20 which is about the minimum for stable government (ask John major).
    You could probably make an argument that a coalition with a majority of 20 is more stable than a single party with a majority of 20.

    In theory, the disagreements should get thrashed out before they hit the floor of the house, whereas in a single party it's down to the whips to keep the Peter Bones and Jeremy Corbyns in line

    Drifting into fantasy though...if this were the result, do you think the boundary changes would get through this time...
    With just 38 LDs left it would have to be on a 650 MP basis rather than 600 or less.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Plato said:

    Mario Creatura @MarioCreatura
    Green policies add 41% to energy costs by 2030: ft.com/cms/s/0/826d34… (£) That Clegg wants to block a reduction in these taxes is absurd.

    Which other taxes are you going to put up so that you can reduce green taxes on energy ?
    Absorb them within the deficit reduction plans.

    At the margin it reduces the ability to cut other taxes (e.g. raising the PA threshold) but should have a material impact on the perceived cost of living
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143

    Plato said:

    Guido Fawkes @GuidoFawkes
    Remember first time I met @ChrisBryantMP years ago (at PCC seminar) he told everyone he wanted to see my blog closed down. @hugorifkind

    And so it should be! Guido is crap compared to PB.com!!
    Sorry but Guido is way way better. There was a time, about 3-5 years ago, when this site posted balanced, neutral, yet incisive threads but it has gone steadily downhill coinciding with the LibDems advent in Government.
    pb.com has slightly suffered since the advent of the Coalition for two main reasons.

    1. The Fixed Term Parliament Act means that we know the date of the next election with near-certainty. Thus there's no potential for an early election, with all of the betting interest that would bring.

    2. There have been remarkably few reshuffles, and those that have occurred have been necessarily constrained by the Coalition balancing act. This also has an impact on betting. There was a lot more interest in the Cabinet next exit odds earlier in the Parliament before this became apparent.

    When you combine that with the absence of a Commons seats spread-betting market and the motivating principle of the site is much reduced in vigour. Things will liven up as the Euro elections approach, particularly if then followed by opinion polling on Scottish independence showing a narrowing of No's current lead. It could all be quite the run-up to the General Election.
  • I come on here to find what the Tories have done wrong TODAY.

    anyway

    Whether it's an outlier, simple MOE variation, or part of a trend, Labour are absolutely right to try to shift the debate from "cuts" and "the economy" on to "living standards":

    Cuts good or bad for the economy:
    Net good; +4 (+1)

    Necessary or unnecessary:
    Net necessary: +33 (+5)

    Who's to blame:
    Coalition: 23 (-2)
    Labour: 38 (+1)

    I do think discussion of these would be infinitely better served with a graph. I had a play with the approval ones (and, yes, people just knocked it :o/ ) but the trends over weeks and months >>> double data point analysis.

    I might update my government approval one but see if I can find more of that European approval data that YouGov put. That was incredibly striking. Compared to everywhere but Norway, our Government is positively loved.

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