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imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » After 30 years the longest lasting poll series in British politics comes to an end

This is something of a sad moment in British politics. The longest lasting polling series, ICM for the Guardian, has come to an end after a total of 30 years. Polls have been running from the firm in the paper at least monthly since January 1989 when ICM replaced Marplan as the paper’s voting intention provider.

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  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,781
    Second!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,299
    AV atque vale, ICM.
  • ExiledInScotlandExiledInScotland Posts: 1,529
    It may indicate the need by the Guardian to cut costs is becoming more urgent
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,299
    Latest Georgia poll... is Abrams perhaps worth a punt ?
    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign-polls/413898-poll-abrams-leads-kemp-by-1-point-in-georgia-governors-race
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,781
    @Mike

    Their data is pretty important. Could you try to make sure it's not lost? (You can have some money from me here if it helps)
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,777
    Sad news. And a bit worrying that the lack of belief in polls is becoming so widespread.

    This just feeds into the whole fake news agenda if you ask me.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,299
    FPT
    Sean_F said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Trump suggests he will end birthright citizenship with executive order

    https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/oct/30/trump-birthright-citizenship-executive-order-14th-amendment

    The Courts would certainly strike that down. He'd need a constitutional amendment/
    A second Trump term might change the calculation, I think.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,177
    I can understand the widespead skepticism of polls, but boy it will be duller if we didn't get them.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,700
    This is a disgrace.

    I recently donated £100 to the Guardian, in part because of their ICM polls.

    Grrr.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,237
    Omnium said:

    rcs1000 said:

    NorthofStoke said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    kingbongo said:

    OblitusSumMe said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    El_Capitano said:

    David_Evershed said:

    El_Capitano said:

    I enjoyed watching that Apple product launch more than Spreadsheet Phil at the same time yesterday. Pretty sure Tim Cook's announcements will improve my life more than Phil's, too.

    What new Apple product/function/feature?
    Both the Mac mini and the MacBook Air are spot on for what I need. I'm currently working with a couple of old Mac minis but they're starting to show their age.

    Francis - well, depends what you want to do with it; I do a reasonably unique combination of *nix-based programming, graphic design, and Xcode, and the Mac is the only platform that offers two of those (no Adobe Illustrator on Linux, no *nix on Windows - the Ubuntu-lite doesn't really hack it for the stuff I need to do) let alone the third.
    Software tools...what are they...I saw some videos of legendary hacker and brains behind a competitor to Tesla’s “self-driving “ car George hotz....he uses VIM for everything....no VS, xCode, JetBrains for him! He has literally coded a load of deep learning AI that is basically as good as Tesla in a crap text editor

    The man is more bonkers than his hero Elon musk after an evening with joe rogan.
    VIM is a great text editor. I miss it now. Way fancier than vi.
    we coded most of Barclay’s Capital’s trading interfaces in vi - no VIM bollocks, proper vi. As far as I know my code is still processing millions of pounds of trading in various exotic instruments - I wish we’d had IntelliJ! We did it in vi because our boss was a cheapskate not because it was hardcore
    These day for the cheapstakes out there atom is the way forward.
    Eclipse is pretty good and very comprehensive and free.
    I can't afford a machine that will run Eclipse at a reasonable speed, sadly.
    What could you do with Eclipse?

    Write code.

    See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eclipse_(software)

    It has a reputation for being hideously slow and resource intensive. Which was what I was alluding to...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,700
    If I remember my chats with various people at ICM, wasn't ICM founded by people who founded/worked at Marplan and ICM pretty much used their methodology at the start, so their series probably goes back even further.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,781
    rcs1000 said:

    Omnium said:

    rcs1000 said:

    NorthofStoke said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    kingbongo said:

    OblitusSumMe said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    El_Capitano said:

    David_Evershed said:

    El_Capitano said:

    I enjoyed watching that Apple product launch more than Spreadsheet Phil at the same time yesterday. Pretty sure Tim Cook's announcements will improve my life more than Phil's, too.

    What new Apple product/function/feature?
    Both the Mac mini and the MacBook Air are spot on for what I need. I'm currently working with a couple of old Mac minis but they're starting to show their age.

    Francis - well, depends what you want to do with it; I do a reasonably unique combination of *nix-based programming, graphic design, and Xcode, and the Mac is the only platform that offers two of those (no Adobe Illustrator on Linux, no *nix on Windows - the Ubuntu-lite doesn't really hack it for the stuff I need to do) let alone the third.
    Software tools...what are they...I saw some videos of legendary hacker and brains behind a competitor to Tesla’s “self-driving “ car George hotz....he uses VIM for everything....no VS, xCode, JetBrains for him! He has literally coded a load of deep learning AI that is basically as good as Tesla in a crap text editor

    The man is more bonkers than his hero Elon musk after an evening with joe rogan.
    VIM is a great text editor. I miss it now. Way fancier than vi.
    we coded most of Barclay’s Capital’s trading interfaces in vi - no VIM bollocks, proper vi. As far as I know my code is still processing millions of pounds of trading in various exotic instruments - I wish we’d had IntelliJ! We did it in vi because our boss was a cheapskate not because it was hardcore
    These day for the cheapstakes out there atom is the way forward.
    Eclipse is pretty good and very comprehensive and free.
    I can't afford a machine that will run Eclipse at a reasonable speed, sadly.
    What could you do with Eclipse?

    Write code.

    See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eclipse_(software)

    It has a reputation for being hideously slow and resource intensive. Which was what I was alluding to...
    And what does it have a reputation for doing well?

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,299
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This is a disgrace....

    Have a word with the Chief Sec to the Treasury.
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    If I remember my chats with various people at ICM, wasn't ICM founded by people who founded/worked at Marplan and ICM pretty much used their methodology at the start, so their series probably goes back even further.

    Correct. Nick Sparrow was at Marplan which had the Guardian contract before ICM
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,151
    What no thread on IDE / text editor of choice for the coder community of PB?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,781
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    If I remember my chats with various people at ICM, wasn't ICM founded by people who founded/worked at Marplan and ICM pretty much used their methodology at the start, so their series probably goes back even further.

    And you're going to do what? Abandon it?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,700
    Nigelb said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This is a disgrace....

    Have a word with the Chief Sec to the Treasury.
    I like Liz, always nice to meet another fellow Republican Tory.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,177
    TheScreamingEagles said:


    I recently donated £100 to the Guardian,.

    Don't they revoke Tory party membership for that?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,700
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    What no thread on IDE / text editor of choice for the coder community of PB?

    Sorry, too busy with half term, and working out which new MacBook Air to order.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,537
    Sometying looking like a blue wave in the latest US polls:

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Nigelb said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This is a disgrace....

    Have a word with the Chief Sec to the Treasury.
    I like Liz, always nice to meet another fellow Republican Tory.
    She makes such cheesy speeches though.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,151
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This is a disgrace.

    I recently donated £100 to the Guardian, in part because of their ICM polls.

    Grrr.

    Was that for help with the "little extras"?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,151
    edited October 2018
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    What no thread on IDE / text editor of choice for the coder community of PB?

    Sorry, too busy with half term, and working out which new MacBook Air to order.
    No hope for you....Guardian donations, MacBook Air, its a slippery slope....ending in you making the leap and joining Maomentum.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,700
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This is a disgrace.

    I recently donated £100 to the Guardian, in part because of their ICM polls.

    Grrr.

    Was that for help with the "little extras"?
    I was moved by a recent piece that said most of the good news is behind paywalls, and the people that can't afford good journalism end up with fake news.

    The Guardian does some pretty good coverage, and are one of the few papers to hold up their hands and publish corrections and clarifications.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,700
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    What no thread on IDE / text editor of choice for the coder community of PB?

    Sorry, too busy with half term, and working out which new MacBook Air to order.
    No hope for you....Guardian donations, MacBook Air, its a slippery slope....ending in you making the leap and joining Maomentum.
    We live in a bizarre world where John McDonnell is happy with the budget and I am not.

    Though I understand the political reasons why Hammond delivered the budget he did.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,871
    Omnium said:

    @Mike

    Their data is pretty important. Could you try to make sure it's not lost? (You can have some money from me here if it helps)

    Wikipedia has a comprehensive record of historical polling data and there is also at least one website with a complete historical series.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,871
    kle4 said:

    I can understand the widespead skepticism of polls, but boy it will be duller if we didn't get them.

    And a lot fewer posts from our friend HY....
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,898
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Nigelb said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This is a disgrace....

    Have a word with the Chief Sec to the Treasury.
    I like Liz, always nice to meet another fellow Republican Tory.
    In God we Truss!
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,910
    TheScreamingEagles said:


    I was moved by a recent piece that said most of the good news is behind paywalls, and the people that can't afford good journalism end up with fake news.

    The Guardian does some pretty good coverage, and are one of the few papers to hold up their hands and publish corrections and clarifications.

    I have to admit even the Racing Post isn't what it was though with Millington's departure perhaps we'll see an improvement.

    Back to the Budget and I see the FOBT cutback has been delayed by six months just to help the poor bookie chappies. It will be fascinating to see how many betting shops close once the limit is reduced - I can't believe all the shops in East Ham can survive (in fact we've lost two, a Hills and one of the Paddy Power shops back to retail).

    Retail in East Ham is all about coffee shops and cafes - we've had Steam & Bean recently open and the Salah Café is about to open with its menu geared to the Portuguese Sub-Saharan African community - I'll have a full Sao Tome e Principe (well, you never know)/

  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    Omnium said:

    rcs1000 said:


    It has a reputation for being hideously slow and resource intensive. Which was what I was alluding to...

    And what does it have a reputation for doing well?
    Eclipse is OK. I used it for years with PDT plugins. For Java I used to use the Borland IDE and loved it
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,781
    IanB2 said:

    Omnium said:

    @Mike

    Their data is pretty important. Could you try to make sure it's not lost? (You can have some money from me here if it helps)

    Wikipedia has a comprehensive record of historical polling data and there is also at least one website with a complete historical series.
    Sure but their raw data is not without merit.

    Someone somewhere really did say they were voting Transendental Meditation Party, or whatever it was. (Their manifesto was full of tensor maths)
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,705
    We have the Guardian delivered each day - I dread to think how much it costs us (Mrs P deals with that). But I'll miss it when it's gone, as it surely will in the next few years. :disappointed:

    I must be getting old because I've started to notice things I thought of as more or less permanent (printed papers, high street shops, cattle grazing in the fields, etc.) are slowly disappearing.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Nigelb said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This is a disgrace....

    Have a word with the Chief Sec to the Treasury.
    I like Liz, always nice to meet another fellow Republican Tory.
    In God we Truss!
    I always thought she would have done well at Agriculture.

    Having been ploughed by a Field, she might have had some understanding of it.
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    edited October 2018
    Nigelb said:

    FPT

    Sean_F said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Trump suggests he will end birthright citizenship with executive order

    https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/oct/30/trump-birthright-citizenship-executive-order-14th-amendment

    The Courts would certainly strike that down. He'd need a constitutional amendment/
    A second Trump term might change the calculation, I think.
    The wording of the 14th is pretty clear though. It'd take some impressive legal gymnastics, probably around the "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" qualifier, to find a way to end jus soli from it. And if SCOTUS rules that undocumented immigrants' children aren't in fact "subject to the jurisdiction [of the United States]", what jurisdiction does the US have to deport them?

    This is just Trump trying to energize his base in a desperate hope to divert the coming blue wave. If an actual EO comes from it, I'll be surprised, and if it does, it'll be punted hard by the courts at all levels. In fact if the appeal to SCOTUS is of a circuit court ruling the EO is unconstitutional, I suspect SCOTUS wouldn't even take it.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    If anything the Dems now look like they could go backwards, with the Reps now odds on in Missouri and N Dakota and safe(ish) in Texas.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Anyone still wanting to bet on regular turnout levels for an American mid term?

    https://twitter.com/ElectProject/status/1057358153187233795?s=19

    American polling filters, famously aggressive, are not going to cope with this.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,299
    NickPalmer said:

    Sometying looking like a blue wave in the latest US polls:

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

    Not much polling in potential wave districts, though:
    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/house-update-heres-why-we-need-polls-in-red-districts-they-might-not-be-so-red/
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,299
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This is a disgrace.

    I recently donated £100 to the Guardian, in part because of their ICM polls.

    Grrr.

    Was that for help with the "little extras"?
    I was moved by a recent piece that said most of the good news is behind paywalls, and the people that can't afford good journalism end up with fake news.

    The Guardian does some pretty good coverage, and are one of the few papers to hold up their hands and publish corrections and clarifications.
    Agreed.
    If you value journalism at all, you ought to be paying someone (not the Telegraph, of course).
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,781
    Beverley_C said:

    Omnium said:

    rcs1000 said:


    It has a reputation for being hideously slow and resource intensive. Which was what I was alluding to...

    And what does it have a reputation for doing well?
    Eclipse is OK. I used it for years with PDT plugins. For Java I used to use the Borland IDE and loved it
    I recall Borland C.

    Ok, so Eclipse is just an average sort of a thing?

    I'm killing myself currently on a Python cross.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,700
    edited October 2018
    Nigelb said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This is a disgrace.

    I recently donated £100 to the Guardian, in part because of their ICM polls.

    Grrr.

    Was that for help with the "little extras"?
    I was moved by a recent piece that said most of the good news is behind paywalls, and the people that can't afford good journalism end up with fake news.

    The Guardian does some pretty good coverage, and are one of the few papers to hold up their hands and publish corrections and clarifications.
    Agreed.
    If you value journalism at all, you ought to be paying someone (not the Telegraph, of course).
    I subscribe to The Times for £9.99 a month, which means I get brilliant, in depth coverage on news, politics, foreign affairs, business, law, and sports, plus an awesome iPad app.

    I consider that a bargain, is less than I spend a week in a coffee shop.*

    I'd subscribe to the FT but I already get a free corporate subscription.

    *I don't actually drink coffee (or tea) usually have the hot chocolate or fruit juices.

    Is a tragedy what happened to the Telegraph after Lord Black's little local difficulties.

    That paper is going bust the day Matt goes to work for another paper.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    Nigelb said:

    NickPalmer said:

    Sometying looking like a blue wave in the latest US polls:

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

    Not much polling in potential wave districts, though:
    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/house-update-heres-why-we-need-polls-in-red-districts-they-might-not-be-so-red/
    What - realistically - is a good result for the Dems? I would have said;

    1) taking the House. Anything less would be a very poor result.

    2) capturing the governorships in Florida, Michigan, New Mexico and Nevada, with at least two of Kansas, Ohio, Georgia and South Dakota as well

    3) Maybe taking one extra Senate seat.

    That's pretty much it. It's hard to see them dominating the gubernatorial races or taking the Senate. It isn't exactly a blue wave if that comes to pass.

    Conversely, if they do better than that then they arguably have had a very good set of results and can look forward to 2020 with at least a degree of optimism.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    rcs1000 said:

    NorthofStoke said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    kingbongo said:

    OblitusSumMe said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    El_Capitano said:

    David_Evershed said:

    El_Capitano said:

    I enjoyed watching that Apple product launch more than Spreadsheet Phil at the same time yesterday. Pretty sure Tim Cook's announcements will improve my life more than Phil's, too.

    What new Apple product/function/feature?
    Both the Mac mini and the MacBook Air are spot on for what I need. I'm currently working with a couple of old Mac minis but they're starting to show their age.

    Francis - well, depends what you want to do with it; I do a reasonably unique combination of *nix-based programming, graphic design, and Xcode, and the Mac is the only platform that offers two of those (no Adobe Illustrator on Linux, no *nix on Windows - the Ubuntu-lite doesn't really hack it for the stuff I need to do) let alone the third.
    Software tools...what are they...I saw some videos of legendary hacker and brains behind a competitor to Tesla’s “self-driving “ car George hotz....he uses VIM for everything....no VS, xCode, JetBrains for him! He has literally coded a load of deep learning AI that is basically as good as Tesla in a crap text editor

    The man is more bonkers than his hero Elon musk after an evening with joe rogan.
    VIM is a great text editor. I miss it now. Way fancier than vi.
    we coded most of Barclay’s Capital’s trading interfaces in vi - no VIM bollocks, proper vi. As far as I know my code is still processing millions of pounds of trading in various exotic instruments - I wish we’d had IntelliJ! We did it in vi because our boss was a cheapskate not because it was hardcore
    These day for the cheapstakes out there atom is the way forward.
    Eclipse is pretty good and very comprehensive and free.
    I can't afford a machine that will run Eclipse at a reasonable speed, sadly.
    I used Eclipse on my eee901 netbook for years absolutely fine, its resource intensive nessus overrated. It is not 2002 any more.
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487
    rottenborough said:

    Sad news. And a bit worrying that the lack of belief in polls is becoming so widespread.

    This just feeds into the whole fake news agenda if you ask me.

    Why? Polling in recent times has proved lousy. Anyone remember Martin Boon’s “Boom”? Out by an absolute mile when it mattered most.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,621
    Alistair said:

    Anyone still wanting to bet on regular turnout levels for an American mid term?

    https://twitter.com/ElectProject/status/1057358153187233795?s=19

    American polling filters, famously aggressive, are not going to cope with this.

    There's a lot going on that is hard to read so there are likely to be some big surprises.

    A good betting strategy might be to simply lay very low odds (1.05 or less on Betfair) and hope some of them turn out to be surprises (for either party).
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,299
    rpjs said:

    Nigelb said:

    FPT

    Sean_F said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Trump suggests he will end birthright citizenship with executive order

    https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/oct/30/trump-birthright-citizenship-executive-order-14th-amendment

    The Courts would certainly strike that down. He'd need a constitutional amendment/
    A second Trump term might change the calculation, I think.
    The wording of the 14th is pretty clear though. It'd take some impressive legal gymnastics, probably around the "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" qualifier, to find a way to end jus soli from it. And if SCOTUS rules that undocumented immigrants' children aren't in fact "subject to the jurisdiction [of the United States]", what jurisdiction does the US have to deport them?

    This is just Trump trying to energize his base in a desperate hope to divert the coming blue wave. If an actual EO comes from it, I'll be surprised, and if it does, it'll be punted hard by the courts at all levels. In fact if the appeal to SCOTUS is of a circuit court ruling the EO is unconstitutional, I suspect SCOTUS wouldn't even take it.
    It would be brute force rather than gymnastics.

    Not as though it hasn’t been gutted, completely contrary to legislative intent, before...
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slaughter-House_Cases
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,781
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Nigelb said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This is a disgrace.

    I recently donated £100 to the Guardian, in part because of their ICM polls.

    Grrr.

    Was that for help with the "little extras"?
    I was moved by a recent piece that said most of the good news is behind paywalls, and the people that can't afford good journalism end up with fake news.

    The Guardian does some pretty good coverage, and are one of the few papers to hold up their hands and publish corrections and clarifications.
    Agreed.
    If you value journalism at all, you ought to be paying someone (not the Telegraph, of course).
    I subscribe to The Times for £9.99 a month, which means I get brilliant, in depth coverage on news, politics, foreign affairs, business, law, and sports, plus an awesome iPad app.

    I consider that a bargain, is less than I spend a week in a coffee shop.*

    I'd subscribe to the FT but I already get a free corporate subscription.

    *I don't actually drink coffee (or tea) usually have the hot chocolate or fruit juices.

    Is a tragedy what happened to the Telegraph after Lord Black's little local difficulties.

    That paper is going bust the day Matt goes to work for another paper.
    "I subscribe to The Times for £9.99 a month, which means I get brilliant, in depth coverage on news, politics, foreign affairs, business, law, and sports, plus an awesome iPad app."

    Please tell us in which way "plus an awesome iPad app" is true? In what way did you feel awe?

    I suspect that the quoted sentence has nothing to do with you.

  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Nigelb said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This is a disgrace.

    I recently donated £100 to the Guardian, in part because of their ICM polls.

    Grrr.

    Was that for help with the "little extras"?
    I was moved by a recent piece that said most of the good news is behind paywalls, and the people that can't afford good journalism end up with fake news.

    The Guardian does some pretty good coverage, and are one of the few papers to hold up their hands and publish corrections and clarifications.
    Agreed.
    If you value journalism at all, you ought to be paying someone (not the Telegraph, of course).
    I subscribe to The Times for £9.99 a month, which means I get brilliant, in depth coverage on news, politics, foreign affairs, business, law, and sports, plus an awesome iPad app.

    I consider that a bargain, is less than I spend a week in a coffee shop.*

    I'd subscribe to the FT but I already get a free corporate subscription.

    *I don't actually drink coffee (or tea) usually have the hot chocolate or fruit juices.

    Is a tragedy what happened to the Telegraph after Lord Black's little local difficulties.

    That paper is going bust the day Matt goes to work for another paper.
    The most arresting sentence in there is that you don’t drink tea or coffee. That is just beyond my comprehension.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,700
    Omnium said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Nigelb said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This is a disgrace.

    I recently donated £100 to the Guardian, in part because of their ICM polls.

    Grrr.

    Was that for help with the "little extras"?
    I was moved by a recent piece that said most of the good news is behind paywalls, and the people that can't afford good journalism end up with fake news.

    The Guardian does some pretty good coverage, and are one of the few papers to hold up their hands and publish corrections and clarifications.
    Agreed.
    If you value journalism at all, you ought to be paying someone (not the Telegraph, of course).
    I subscribe to The Times for £9.99 a month, which means I get brilliant, in depth coverage on news, politics, foreign affairs, business, law, and sports, plus an awesome iPad app.

    I consider that a bargain, is less than I spend a week in a coffee shop.*

    I'd subscribe to the FT but I already get a free corporate subscription.

    *I don't actually drink coffee (or tea) usually have the hot chocolate or fruit juices.

    Is a tragedy what happened to the Telegraph after Lord Black's little local difficulties.

    That paper is going bust the day Matt goes to work for another paper.
    "I subscribe to The Times for £9.99 a month, which means I get brilliant, in depth coverage on news, politics, foreign affairs, business, law, and sports, plus an awesome iPad app."

    Please tell us in which way "plus an awesome iPad app" is true? In what way did you feel awe?

    I suspect that the quoted sentence has nothing to do with you.

    When you've used other newspaper apps, then The Times apps leaves you in awe.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    That paper is going bust the day Matt goes to work for another paper.

    Fun fact - Matt earns 50% more than anyone else at the Telegraph, including the editor and not including perks and bonuses.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,299
    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    NickPalmer said:

    Sometying looking like a blue wave in the latest US polls:

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

    Not much polling in potential wave districts, though:
    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/house-update-heres-why-we-need-polls-in-red-districts-they-might-not-be-so-red/
    What - realistically - is a good result for the Dems? I would have said;

    1) taking the House. Anything less would be a very poor result.

    2) capturing the governorships in Florida, Michigan, New Mexico and Nevada, with at least two of Kansas, Ohio, Georgia and South Dakota as well

    3) Maybe taking one extra Senate seat.

    That's pretty much it. It's hard to see them dominating the gubernatorial races or taking the Senate. It isn't exactly a blue wave if that comes to pass.

    Conversely, if they do better than that then they arguably have had a very good set of results and can look forward to 2020 with at least a degree of optimism.
    Sounds about right - but doing better than expected in Republican congressional districts would be a very promising sign for the Presidency in 2020.

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,700
    ydoethur said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    That paper is going bust the day Matt goes to work for another paper.

    Fun fact - Matt earns 50% more than anyone else at the Telegraph, including the editor and not including perks and bonuses.
    He's underpaid.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    edited October 2018
    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    NickPalmer said:

    Sometying looking like a blue wave in the latest US polls:

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

    Not much polling in potential wave districts, though:
    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/house-update-heres-why-we-need-polls-in-red-districts-they-might-not-be-so-red/
    What - realistically - is a good result for the Dems? I would have said;

    1) taking the House. Anything less would be a very poor result.

    2) capturing the governorships in Florida, Michigan, New Mexico and Nevada, with at least two of Kansas, Ohio, Georgia and South Dakota as well

    3) Maybe taking one extra Senate seat.

    That's pretty much it. It's hard to see them dominating the gubernatorial races or taking the Senate. It isn't exactly a blue wave if that comes to pass.

    Conversely, if they do better than that then they arguably have had a very good set of results and can look forward to 2020 with at least a degree of optimism.
    Sounds about right - but doing better than expected in Republican congressional districts would be a very promising sign for the Presidency in 2020.

    Would it? I'm not so sure. The US does love its split ticket. I would say the Dems need a landslide in the House before we start getting confident about them regaining the White House.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    Omnium said:

    Beverley_C said:

    Omnium said:

    rcs1000 said:


    It has a reputation for being hideously slow and resource intensive. Which was what I was alluding to...

    And what does it have a reputation for doing well?
    Eclipse is OK. I used it for years with PDT plugins. For Java I used to use the Borland IDE and loved it
    I recall Borland C.

    Ok, so Eclipse is just an average sort of a thing?

    I'm killing myself currently on a Python cross.
    I forget what they used to call the Borland one. They sold it to some Brazilians who renamed it something forgettable. After that we were pushed onto NetBeans and I moved on to a happier working environment elsewhere.

    I still use Eclipse and find it runs really well for PHP / PDT stuff, but I do not use the builtin webservers. Instead I set up my own to mirror the precise live setup of the webservers and simply work in the webserver folders on the dev box and then export to live when ready.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,299
    edited October 2018
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ydoethur said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    That paper is going bust the day Matt goes to work for another paper.

    Fun fact - Matt earns 50% more than anyone else at the Telegraph, including the editor and not including perks and bonuses.
    He's underpaid.
    50% more than everyone else put together would be fair.

  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,293
    edited October 2018
    This is a shame but I guess inevitable given the recent fiasco's of the 2015 and 2017 general elections not to mention the referendum.

    I bet the next election the pollsters get it spot on and "faith" will be restored... Until the next polling disaster.... :D
  • kingbongokingbongo Posts: 393
    Omnium said:

    Beverley_C said:

    Omnium said:

    rcs1000 said:


    It has a reputation for being hideously slow and resource intensive. Which was what I was alluding to...

    And what does it have a reputation for doing well?
    Eclipse is OK. I used it for years with PDT plugins. For Java I used to use the Borland IDE and loved it
    I recall Borland C.

    Ok, so Eclipse is just an average sort of a thing?

    I'm killing myself currently on a Python cross.
    all these IDEs are good - Eclipse is lumbered with it’s Java heritage - unless you are developing some major enterprise code there really is no need to use anything so heavyweight and so chock full of configuration management issues - if you’re using Python just use Jupiter Notebools or PyCharm or something Pythony
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,781
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Omnium said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Nigelb said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This is a disgrace.

    I recently donated £100 to the Guardian, in part because of their ICM polls.

    Grrr.

    Was that for help with the "little extras"?
    I was moved by a recent piece that said most of the good news is behind paywalls, and the people that can't afford good journalism end up with fake news.

    The Guardian does some pretty good coverage, and are one of the few papers to hold up their hands and publish corrections and clarifications.
    Agreed.
    If you value journalism at all, you ought to be paying someone (not the Telegraph, of course).
    I subscribe to The Times for £9.99 a month, which means I get brilliant, in depth coverage on news, politics, foreign affairs, business, law, and sports, plus an awesome iPad app.

    I consider that a bargain, is less than I spend a week in a coffee shop.*

    I'd subscribe to the FT but I already get a free corporate subscription.

    *I don't actually drink coffee (or tea) usually have the hot chocolate or fruit juices.

    Is a tragedy what happened to the Telegraph after Lord Black's little local difficulties.

    That paper is going bust the day Matt goes to work for another paper.
    "I subscribe to The Times for £9.99 a month, which means I get brilliant, in depth coverage on news, politics, foreign affairs, business, law, and sports, plus an awesome iPad app."

    Please tell us in which way "plus an awesome iPad app" is true? In what way did you feel awe?

    I suspect that the quoted sentence has nothing to do with you.

    When you've used other newspaper apps, then The Times apps leaves you in awe.
    Ok, well if you say so, Totally explains matters, not a shred of doubt left. You were simply inspired by the wonder of the Times app to write 'awesome'. Happens every day to average folk in the street. No explanation needed.
  • NorthofStokeNorthofStoke Posts: 1,758
    Beverley_C said:

    Omnium said:

    Beverley_C said:

    Omnium said:

    rcs1000 said:


    It has a reputation for being hideously slow and resource intensive. Which was what I was alluding to...

    And what does it have a reputation for doing well?
    Eclipse is OK. I used it for years with PDT plugins. For Java I used to use the Borland IDE and loved it
    I recall Borland C.

    Ok, so Eclipse is just an average sort of a thing?

    I'm killing myself currently on a Python cross.
    I forget what they used to call the Borland one. They sold it to some Brazilians who renamed it something forgettable. After that we were pushed onto NetBeans and I moved on to a happier working environment elsewhere.

    I still use Eclipse and find it runs really well for PHP / PDT stuff, but I do not use the builtin webservers. Instead I set up my own to mirror the precise live setup of the webservers and simply work in the webserver folders on the dev box and then export to live when ready.
    I use it a fair bit for Python (PyDev add-in) and Java, VS for Windows development.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    "Europe Elects
    ‏ @EuropeElects

    UK, Deltapoll poll:

    EU membership ref.

    Remain: 50% (nc)
    Leave: 50% (nc)

    Field work: 24/10/18 – 26/10/18
    Sample size: 1,017"
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    kingbongo said:

    Omnium said:

    Beverley_C said:

    Omnium said:

    rcs1000 said:


    It has a reputation for being hideously slow and resource intensive. Which was what I was alluding to...

    And what does it have a reputation for doing well?
    Eclipse is OK. I used it for years with PDT plugins. For Java I used to use the Borland IDE and loved it
    I recall Borland C.

    Ok, so Eclipse is just an average sort of a thing?

    I'm killing myself currently on a Python cross.
    all these IDEs are good - Eclipse is lumbered with it’s Java heritage - unless you are developing some major enterprise code there really is no need to use anything so heavyweight and so chock full of configuration management issues - if you’re using Python just use Jupiter Notebools or PyCharm or something Pythony
    Python is JAPL, but at least it is readable. For Ruby you do not need an IDE - a dice shaker and scrabble set should do ....
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This is a disgrace.

    I recently donated £100 to the Guardian, in part because of their ICM polls.

    Grrr.

    Was that for help with the "little extras"?
    I was moved by a recent piece that said most of the good news is behind paywalls, and the people that can't afford good journalism end up with fake news.

    The Guardian does some pretty good coverage, and are one of the few papers to hold up their hands and publish corrections and clarifications.
    Can’t afford and not prepared to pay are not the same thing.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    AndyJS said:

    "Europe Elects
    ‏ @EuropeElects

    UK, Deltapoll poll:

    EU membership ref.

    Remain: 50% (nc)
    Leave: 50% (nc)

    Field work: 24/10/18 – 26/10/18
    Sample size: 1,017"

    one in a generation
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,299
    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    NickPalmer said:

    Sometying looking like a blue wave in the latest US polls:

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

    Not much polling in potential wave districts, though:
    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/house-update-heres-why-we-need-polls-in-red-districts-they-might-not-be-so-red/
    What - realistically - is a good result for the Dems? I would have said;

    1) taking the House. Anything less would be a very poor result.

    2) capturing the governorships in Florida, Michigan, New Mexico and Nevada, with at least two of Kansas, Ohio, Georgia and South Dakota as well

    3) Maybe taking one extra Senate seat.

    That's pretty much it. It's hard to see them dominating the gubernatorial races or taking the Senate. It isn't exactly a blue wave if that comes to pass.

    Conversely, if they do better than that then they arguably have had a very good set of results and can look forward to 2020 with at least a degree of optimism.
    Sounds about right - but doing better than expected in Republican congressional districts would be a very promising sign for the Presidency in 2020.

    Would it? I'm not so sure. The US does love its split ticket. I would say the Dems need a landslide in the House before we start getting confident about them regaining the White House.
    Perhaps - but alternatively, it might be a sign of Democrats making an effort where recently they had given up. Similarly in state houses.

    I suspect next month, if we drill down in the figures, it will augur well.
    :-)
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,676
    There is some weapons grade nerd shit going down on PB today.

    I like vi.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,299
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Nigelb said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This is a disgrace.

    I recently donated £100 to the Guardian, in part because of their ICM polls.

    Grrr.

    Was that for help with the "little extras"?
    I was moved by a recent piece that said most of the good news is behind paywalls, and the people that can't afford good journalism end up with fake news.

    The Guardian does some pretty good coverage, and are one of the few papers to hold up their hands and publish corrections and clarifications.
    Agreed.
    If you value journalism at all, you ought to be paying someone (not the Telegraph, of course).
    I subscribe to The Times for £9.99 a month, which means I get brilliant, in depth coverage on news, politics, foreign affairs, business, law, and sports, plus an awesome iPad app.

    I consider that a bargain, is less than I spend a week in a coffee shop.*

    I'd subscribe to the FT but I already get a free corporate subscription.

    *I don't actually drink coffee (or tea) usually have the hot chocolate or fruit juices.

    Is a tragedy what happened to the Telegraph after Lord Black's little local difficulties.

    That paper is going bust the day Matt goes to work for another paper.
    My local coffee place buys the Times, which seems in no danger at present, so I pay the Guardian.
    Gave up on the Telegraph some time back.

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,700
    https://twitter.com/jeanpaulmulot/status/1057371134742749184
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,898
    ydoethur said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    That paper is going bust the day Matt goes to work for another paper.

    Fun fact - Matt earns 50% more than anyone else at the Telegraph, including the editor and not including perks and bonuses.
    One Matt in Hancock and the world's your oyster
    The bars are temples but the pearls ain't free
    You'll find a god in every golden cloister
    And if you're lucky then the god's a she…
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    Jonathan said:

    There is some weapons grade nerd shit going down on PB today.

    I like vi.

    Vi should be buried with a note apologising for its existence. Upgrade to Kate or Geany... or if you MUST do legacy stuff, Nano
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/jeanpaulmulot/status/1057371134742749184

    what's the subtext there?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,700
    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/jeanpaulmulot/status/1057371134742749184

    what's the subtext there?
    Article's up here.

    https://www.lepoint.fr/politique/exclusif-nicolas-sarkozy-s-est-confie-au-point-30-10-2018-2267432_20.php
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    Sad times.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Beverley_C said:

    Vi should be buried with a note apologising for its existence. Upgrade to Kate or Geany... or if you MUST do legacy stuff, Nano

    vi is usually the only tool installed on the boxes we have
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    Scott_P said:

    Beverley_C said:

    Vi should be buried with a note apologising for its existence. Upgrade to Kate or Geany... or if you MUST do legacy stuff, Nano

    vi is usually the only tool installed on the boxes we have
    apt-get install nano (or yum install nano, etc)
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Jonathan said:

    There is some weapons grade nerd shit going down on PB today.

    I like vi.

    Me too.

    My humble contribution to the debate.

    20 years ago working at a Bay Networks shop. This is before they introduced BCC (Bay Command Console, or Bay Copies Cisco). The way you programmed the router was with a crappy GUI app on a laptop called SiteMangler

    You could console onto the box, but the only 'commands' available were MIB gets and sets.

    That's one way to separate the Jedi from the wannabes...
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Beverley_C said:

    apt-get install nano (or yum install nano, etc)

    Doesn't work like that...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,700
    https://twitter.com/TheSun/status/1057382293776543744
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    Beverley_C said:

    Jonathan said:

    There is some weapons grade nerd shit going down on PB today.

    I like vi.

    Vi should be buried with a note apologising for its existence. Upgrade to Kate or Geany... or if you MUST do legacy stuff, Nano
    Is vi/nano the new leave/remain? :o
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    Scott_P said:

    Beverley_C said:

    apt-get install nano (or yum install nano, etc)

    Doesn't work like that...
    Back in the days of floppy disks, I used to carry my own editor with me.

    Wordstar :o
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    RobD said:

    Beverley_C said:

    Jonathan said:

    There is some weapons grade nerd shit going down on PB today.

    I like vi.

    Vi should be buried with a note apologising for its existence. Upgrade to Kate or Geany... or if you MUST do legacy stuff, Nano
    Is vi/nano the new leave/remain? :o
    No.

    Vi is an abomination unto Nuggan
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,151
    kingbongo said:

    Omnium said:

    Beverley_C said:

    Omnium said:

    rcs1000 said:


    It has a reputation for being hideously slow and resource intensive. Which was what I was alluding to...

    And what does it have a reputation for doing well?
    Eclipse is OK. I used it for years with PDT plugins. For Java I used to use the Borland IDE and loved it
    I recall Borland C.

    Ok, so Eclipse is just an average sort of a thing?

    I'm killing myself currently on a Python cross.
    all these IDEs are good - Eclipse is lumbered with it’s Java heritage - unless you are developing some major enterprise code there really is no need to use anything so heavyweight and so chock full of configuration management issues - if you’re using Python just use Jupiter Notebools or PyCharm or something Pythony
    PyCharm for me everytime. JetBrains makes some great products.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,621
    Beverley_C said:

    Scott_P said:

    Beverley_C said:

    Vi should be buried with a note apologising for its existence. Upgrade to Kate or Geany... or if you MUST do legacy stuff, Nano

    vi is usually the only tool installed on the boxes we have
    apt-get install nano (or yum install nano, etc)
    I tried that phrase in Google translate. Not sure what language it is. It returned "apt-get install nano（またはyum install nanoなど". Not sure that helps.
  • alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    Anyone watching this documentary on pre Grenfell fires on BBC2? Harrowing stuff.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/StevePeers/status/1057379049180459008
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    Beverley_C said:

    RobD said:

    Beverley_C said:

    Jonathan said:

    There is some weapons grade nerd shit going down on PB today.

    I like vi.

    Vi should be buried with a note apologising for its existence. Upgrade to Kate or Geany... or if you MUST do legacy stuff, Nano
    Is vi/nano the new leave/remain? :o
    No.

    Vi is an abomination unto Nuggan
    You mean like rocks, babies, accordion players and the colour blue?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    alex. said:

    Anyone watching this documentary on pre Grenfell fires on BBC2? Harrowing stuff.

    Is it about previous fires in Grenfell Tower or in other places?
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,710
    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    AndyJS said:

    "Europe Elects
    ‏ @EuropeElects

    UK, Deltapoll poll:

    EU membership ref.

    Remain: 50% (nc)
    Leave: 50% (nc)

    Field work: 24/10/18 – 26/10/18
    Sample size: 1,017"

    one in a generation
    I'm sure at the second decimal place level it will definitely tell us exactly what the country's thinking.
  • alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    AndyJS said:

    alex. said:

    Anyone watching this documentary on pre Grenfell fires on BBC2? Harrowing stuff.

    Is it about previous fires in Grenfell Tower or in other places?
    Other places. Previous fires where combinations of flammable cladding and stay put advice effectively foretold Grenfell.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,299
    Barnesian said:

    Beverley_C said:

    Scott_P said:

    Beverley_C said:

    Vi should be buried with a note apologising for its existence. Upgrade to Kate or Geany... or if you MUST do legacy stuff, Nano

    vi is usually the only tool installed on the boxes we have
    apt-get install nano (or yum install nano, etc)
    I tried that phrase in Google translate. Not sure what language it is. It returned "apt-get install nano（またはyum install nanoなど". Not sure that helps.
    It’s all 𒀝𒅗𒁺𒌑 to me....
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,177
    Jonathan said:

    There is some weapons grade nerd shit going down on PB today.

    It's my general experience that people who have one very niche, nerdy interest, are highly likely to other very nerdy interests. But for once it's in a direction completely alien to me.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,151
    kle4 said:

    Jonathan said:

    There is some weapons grade nerd shit going down on PB today.

    It's my general experience that people who have one very niche, nerdy interest, are highly likely to other very nerdy interests. But for once it's in a direction completely alien to me.
    Are we talking about first class air travel or the best posh English sparkling wines again?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,898
    AndyJS said:

    alex. said:

    Anyone watching this documentary on pre Grenfell fires on BBC2? Harrowing stuff.

    Is it about previous fires in Grenfell Tower or in other places?
    Other places, such as Lakanal House in 2009.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,621
    kle4 said:

    Jonathan said:

    There is some weapons grade nerd shit going down on PB today.

    It's my general experience that people who have one very niche, nerdy interest, are highly likely to other very nerdy interests. But for once it's in a direction completely alien to me.
    Klingon?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    edited October 2018
    Barnesian said:

    kle4 said:

    Jonathan said:

    There is some weapons grade nerd shit going down on PB today.

    It's my general experience that people who have one very niche, nerdy interest, are highly likely to other very nerdy interests. But for once it's in a direction completely alien to me.
    Klingon?
    If you can. I lost my grip on this conversation a long time ago.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,151
    A Labour councillor who tried to smuggle drugs into a music festival has resigned as a councillor having already left his cabinet post.

    Ishmael Osamor, 29, had pleaded guilty to having £2,500-worth of drugs, at last year's Bestival event in Dorset.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    A Labour councillor who tried to smuggle drugs into a music festival has resigned as a councillor having already left his cabinet post.

    Ishmael Osamor, 29, had pleaded guilty to having £2,500-worth of drugs, at last year's Bestival event in Dorset.

    I'm still amazed the judge accepted that was all for his personal use and that of a couple of friends.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,151
    ydoethur said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    A Labour councillor who tried to smuggle drugs into a music festival has resigned as a councillor having already left his cabinet post.

    Ishmael Osamor, 29, had pleaded guilty to having £2,500-worth of drugs, at last year's Bestival event in Dorset.

    I'm still amazed the judge accepted that was all for his personal use and that of a couple of friends.
    It is either bullshit story or he has an incredible drug problem and needs an immediate intervention.
  • RobinWiggsRobinWiggs Posts: 621
    O/T Interesting to see Mrs T posting 50% opinion poll ratings just before she introduced the poll tax to Scotland. How different things may have been had she not done so but carried on into the 90s.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/gabyhinsliff/status/1057392958931173379
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    ydoethur said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    A Labour councillor who tried to smuggle drugs into a music festival has resigned as a councillor having already left his cabinet post.

    Ishmael Osamor, 29, had pleaded guilty to having £2,500-worth of drugs, at last year's Bestival event in Dorset.

    I'm still amazed the judge accepted that was all for his personal use and that of a couple of friends.
    It is either bullshit story or he has an incredible drug problem and needs an immediate intervention.
    The intervention required after imbibing all of that would begin with defibrillators and move to several weeks in intensive care.
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/jeanpaulmulot/status/1057371134742749184

    what's the subtext there?
    Is it:

    'Let's remain in a reformed (no laughing at the back there!) EU?'

    That's one of my favourites.
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