"Receipts in September 2018 increased by 3.2% compared with September 2017, to £56.4 billion, while total expenditure increased by 2.8% to £59.4 billion.
Much of the annual growth in receipts came from Value Added Tax (VAT), Income Tax and National Insurance contributions, while other taxes such as duties on both tobacco and Stamp Duty (on land and properties) have fallen marginally on September 2017."
I mean, what is it going to take for us to rebase our growth figures? Its getting silly.
VAT was a flow through. Not the others though
But VAT also reflects the level of consumption which remains (unfortunately) by far the biggest component of our growth. We are growing relatively fast at the moment and it is frustrating that the current debates are taking place in a completely false environment.
yes, but do the German voters understand the consequences of their decisions ? Have the downsides been fully explained to them ? Surely this is just nationalist politicians stirring up shit for a foreigh country.
Varadkar says May has privately conceded to him the backstop cannot have a time limit
A man who reveals the contents of a private conversation is to be trusted is he?
Leo is getting desperate.....
It's not often I agree with Sammy Wilson but he has a point.
"First of all he knows just how some of the republican madmen in NI will react to the false fears he is stirring up about barriers along the border. Indeed he knows that they will use them to influence stupid and easily led young people to join their ranks"
the only people stirring up the prospects of violence are Varadkar and Coveney
Where's the stirring up of the prospects of violence? Or does any border automatically mean violence these days?
I think the point you're missing is that the Good Friday Agreement which brought the violence (almost) to an end, was made easier by the fact that Eire and the UK were both in the EU.
The EU is the only thing holding NI back from more bloodshed? OK.
Putting up barriers when they had previously been taken down is sending a very strong message to the large minority of people in Northern Ireland who see themselves as Irish that their wishes are of no importance - especially when it is all being done to keep the DUP onside.
yes, but do the German voters understand the consequences of their decisions ? Have the downsides been fully explained to them ? Surely this is just nationalist politicians stirring up shit for a foreigh country.
We need a second poll
May did try to turn Brexit into an issue in their election by publishing an op-ed on the day of the vote in the German press.
Varadkar says May has privately conceded to him the backstop cannot have a time limit
A man who reveals the contents of a private conversation is to be trusted is he?
Leo is getting desperate.....
It's not often I agree with Sammy Wilson but he has a point.
"First of all he knows just how some of the republican madmen in NI will react to the false fears he is stirring up about barriers along the border. Indeed he knows that they will use them to influence stupid and easily led young people to join their ranks"
the only people stirring up the prospects of violence are Varadkar and Coveney
Where's the stirring up of the prospects of violence? Or does any border automatically mean violence these days?
I think the point you're missing is that the Good Friday Agreement which brought the violence (almost) to an end, was made easier by the fact that Eire and the UK were both in the EU.
The EU is the only thing holding NI back from more bloodshed? OK.
Putting up barriers when they had previously been taken down is sending a very strong message to the large minority of people in Northern Ireland who see themselves as Irish that their wishes are of no importance - especially when it is all being done to keep the DUP onside.
The DUP have categorically said they dont want barriers either so how is it their wish ?
Varadkar says May has privately conceded to him the backstop cannot have a time limit
A man who reveals the contents of a private conversation is to be trusted is he?
Leo is getting desperate.....
It's not often I agree with Sammy Wilson but he has a point.
"First of all he knows just how some of the republican madmen in NI will react to the false fears he is stirring up about barriers along the border. Indeed he knows that they will use them to influence stupid and easily led young people to join their ranks"
the only people stirring up the prospects of violence are Varadkar and Coveney
Where's the stirring up of the prospects of violence? Or does any border automatically mean violence these days?
I think the point you're missing is that the Good Friday Agreement which brought the violence (almost) to an end, was made easier by the fact that Eire and the UK were both in the EU.
no it was made because the IRA had lost the will to continue, Easier borders were simply an issue to help de escalate tensions. The EU had very little to do with it.
The "IRA" might have.
well as I have said to you before the paddy posh boys are playing with fire and they will eventually get their fingers burned. The Irish government is made up of blokes in their thirties who think they can do no wrong. Older heads would tell them not to poke the sleeping dogs.
You accept there are sleepless dogs. Whether they get their fingers burned (a lot of metaphors here) is a different issue.
Varadkar says May has privately conceded to him the backstop cannot have a time limit
A man who reveals the contents of a private conversation is to be trusted is he?
Leo is getting desperate.....
It's not often I agree with Sammy Wilson but he has a point.
"First of all he knows just how some of the republican madmen in NI will react to the false fears he is stirring up about barriers along the border. Indeed he knows that they will use them to influence stupid and easily led young people to join their ranks"
the only people stirring up the prospects of violence are Varadkar and Coveney
Where's the stirring up of the prospects of violence? Or does any border automatically mean violence these days?
I think the point you're missing is that the Good Friday Agreement which brought the violence (almost) to an end, was made easier by the fact that Eire and the UK were both in the EU.
The EU is the only thing holding NI back from more bloodshed? OK.
Putting up barriers when they had previously been taken down is sending a very strong message to the large minority of people in Northern Ireland who see themselves as Irish that their wishes are of no importance - especially when it is all being done to keep the DUP onside.
Not sure why the EU are so intent on there being a border then. Boggles the mind.
yes, but do the German voters understand the consequences of their decisions ? Have the downsides been fully explained to them ? Surely this is just nationalist politicians stirring up shit for a foreigh country.
We need a second poll
May did try to turn Brexit into an issue in their election by publishing an op-ed on the day of the vote in the German press.
lucky them, We got Francois Hollande the walking blancmange.
Mr. Foremain, sorry, missed your post before, hence tardy reply.
I think the behaviour of some ex-Remain campaigners makes that more difficult. There have been accusations of them effectively batting for the other side against their own country, which means that for Leave supporters to perform a volte face rewards intransigence and reluctance to enforce a democratic decision.
I do think things are going very poorly. That's due to a cocktail of May's capitulation and incompetence, and the EU's faithless and obstinate approach (to reach a deal we need to annex Northern Ireland into the customs union is a rancid position to adopt).
There are problems with every option. Suppose we have a referendum and still choose to leave. What's resolved? Remain types won't accept it. If we have a referendum and choose to stay (assuming that's even possible) the message will be loud and clear: the electorate's opinion counts if they agree with the political class and, if not, they'll be given another chance to provide the 'right' answer.
However, we shouldn't let the current situation blind us to the past one, or the counterfactual (in which no referendum had been held). The political class has been dragging us without democratic consent ever closer into the EU's clutches. They've broken manifesto pledges to hold a referendum before. The UK electorate likes EU economics, dislikes EU politics, and was promised a vote on Lisbon.
Dissolving the democratic frog in bureaucratic hot water is not a good situation.
Edited extra bit: sorry, bit rambly.
You can make a case for another vote. But I think people who single-mindedly advocate that dramatically underestimate the profoundly negative consequences for the body politic in this country.
I outlined some years ago a route to the far right rising in this country (the far left, alas, already owns Labour). Asking the people what they want to do about the EU, then running another referendum with the options of An Incredibly Poor Deal and Remain, would be a wonderful way to disenchant swathes of the electorate and persuade them no established party will take them seriously.
Varadkar says May has privately conceded to him the backstop cannot have a time limit
A man who reveals the contents of a private conversation is to be trusted is he?
Leo is getting desperate.....
It's not often I agree with Sammy Wilson but he has a point.
"First of all he knows just how some of the republican madmen in NI will react to the false fears he is stirring up about barriers along the border. Indeed he knows that they will use them to influence stupid and easily led young people to join their ranks"
the only people stirring up the prospects of violence are Varadkar and Coveney
Where's the stirring up of the prospects of violence? Or does any border automatically mean violence these days?
I think the point you're missing is that the Good Friday Agreement which brought the violence (almost) to an end, was made easier by the fact that Eire and the UK were both in the EU.
The EU is the only thing holding NI back from more bloodshed? OK.
Putting up barriers when they had previously been taken down is sending a very strong message to the large minority of people in Northern Ireland who see themselves as Irish that their wishes are of no importance - especially when it is all being done to keep the DUP onside.
Indeed, polling shows most Northern Irish voters want to stay in the single market and customs union and that applies to Protestants and Catholics
Varadkar says May has privately conceded to him the backstop cannot have a time limit
A man who reveals the contents of a private conversation is to be trusted is he?
Leo is getting desperate.....
It's not often I agree with Sammy Wilson but he has a point.
"First of all he knows just how some of the republican madmen in NI will react to the false fears he is stirring up about barriers along the border. Indeed he knows that they will use them to influence stupid and easily led young people to join their ranks"
the only people stirring up the prospects of violence are Varadkar and Coveney
Where's the stirring up of the prospects of violence? Or does any border automatically mean violence these days?
I think the point you're missing is that the Good Friday Agreement which brought the violence (almost) to an end, was made easier by the fact that Eire and the UK were both in the EU.
no it was made because the IRA had lost the will to continue, Easier borders were simply an issue to help de escalate tensions. The EU had very little to do with it.
The "IRA" might have.
well as I have said to you before the paddy posh boys are playing with fire and they will eventually get their fingers burned. The Irish government is made up of blokes in their thirties who think they can do no wrong. Older heads would tell them not to poke the sleeping dogs.
You accept there are sleepless dogs. Whether they get their fingers burned (a lot of metaphors here) is a different issue.
oh certainly there are sleepless dogs but you dont want the pack getting bigger. Currently policing is just about able to stay on top on the nutters theyre watching so egging more of them on is lunacy
Varadkar says May has privately conceded to him the backstop cannot have a time limit
A man who reveals the contents of a private conversation is to be trusted is he?
Leo is getting desperate.....
It's not often I agree with Sammy Wilson but he has a point.
"First of all he knows just how some of the republican madmen in NI will react to the false fears he is stirring up about barriers along the border. Indeed he knows that they will use them to influence stupid and easily led young people to join their ranks"
the only people stirring up the prospects of violence are Varadkar and Coveney
Where's the stirring up of the prospects of violence? Or does any border automatically mean violence these days?
I think the point you're missing is that the Good Friday Agreement which brought the violence (almost) to an end, was made easier by the fact that Eire and the UK were both in the EU.
The EU is the only thing holding NI back from more bloodshed? OK.
Putting up barriers when they had previously been taken down is sending a very strong message to the large minority of people in Northern Ireland who see themselves as Irish that their wishes are of no importance - especially when it is all being done to keep the DUP onside.
The DUP have categorically said they dont want barriers either so how is it their wish ?
If they categorically do not want barriers they would accept the backstop.
Varadkar says May has privately conceded to him the backstop cannot have a time limit
A man who reveals the contents of a private conversation is to be trusted is he?
Leo is getting desperate.....
It's not often I agree with Sammy Wilson but he has a point.
"First of all he knows just how some of the republican madmen in NI will react to the false fears he is stirring up about barriers along the border. Indeed he knows that they will use them to influence stupid and easily led young people to join their ranks"
the only people stirring up the prospects of violence are Varadkar and Coveney
Where's the stirring up of the prospects of violence? Or does any border automatically mean violence these days?
I think the point you're missing is that the Good Friday Agreement which brought the violence (almost) to an end, was made easier by the fact that Eire and the UK were both in the EU.
The EU is the only thing holding NI back from more bloodshed? OK.
Putting up barriers when they had previously been taken down is sending a very strong message to the large minority of people in Northern Ireland who see themselves as Irish that their wishes are of no importance - especially when it is all being done to keep the DUP onside.
Not sure why the EU are so intent on there being a border then. Boggles the mind.
Mr. HYUFD, no time limit makes it worse than EU membership. We can't leave without their consent, we have to abide by EU rules, and concede to regulatory annexation of UK territory to appease a foreign power.
Capitulation, as predicted. We'll see whether the DUP/Conservative front- and backbenchers who stopped the nonsense before can do so again.
Worth recalling that Richard II was brought low by a coalition but managed to reduce it over time, establishing a new tyranny that would've endured had he not let Henry Bolingbroke slip his grasp.
Mr Dancer, though I think it is likely you voted differently to me in the referendum, I always respect your thoughtful posts, which though sometimes I disagree with, are often insightful. Do you think now might be the time for the more thoughtful of Leavers to be asking whether the self-inflicted national humiliation that we are experiencing, and will continue to experience, is worth it?
The author of that abject humiliation is Theresa May, and it is time for her to go.
Varadkar says May has privately conceded to him the backstop cannot have a time limit
A man who reveals the contents of a private conversation is to be trusted is he?
Leo is getting desperate.....
It's not often I agree with Sammy Wilson but he has a point.
"First of all he knows just how some of the republican madmen in NI will react to the false fears he is stirring up about barriers along the border. Indeed he knows that they will use them to influence stupid and easily led young people to join their ranks"
the only people stirring up the prospects of violence are Varadkar and Coveney
Where's the stirring up of the prospects of violence? Or does any border automatically mean violence these days?
I think the point you're missing is that the Good Friday Agreement which brought the violence (almost) to an end, was made easier by the fact that Eire and the UK were both in the EU.
The EU is the only thing holding NI back from more bloodshed? OK.
Putting up barriers when they had previously been taken down is sending a very strong message to the large minority of people in Northern Ireland who see themselves as Irish that their wishes are of no importance - especially when it is all being done to keep the DUP onside.
The DUP have categorically said they dont want barriers either so how is it their wish ?
If they categorically do not want barriers they would accept the backstop.
Perhaps if it didn’t involve the erection of barriers between GB and NI. Suspect the DUP care a bit more about that.
So it looks like she just needs to get it through Parliament and the Deal is done
Hunt effectively said the same on R4 this morning, apparently.
Yes it looks like the Deal has been done in private, they just have to make the preparation to take it public and get it through Parliament and see off the ERG attempt to topple May
Hope Faisal checked his facts this time - he has made some howlers over brexit claims recently.
Well I have no idea about Faisal's track record, but in this tweet at least he has found something that we would all do well to take notice of.
"If no withdrawal agreement is reached and the transition period through December 2020 is consequently not implemented, corporate activities and consumers will be adversely affected by the impacts of suspended production activities resulting from failed just-in-time logistics operations, declines in revenue, and revised vehicle sales prices caused by spiralling logistics and production costs."
That is pretty strong language for the head of a trade association to be using.
Well, he probably feels it necessary to get it across to the dunderheads in government.
Hopefully Archer might take note
I am sure that Toyota would be delighted if the UK implements unilateral free trade in response to No Deal Brexit. Not only would there be no impact at all on parts coming into the UK from the EU, but since over 60% of parts for UK manufacturers come from outside the EU they will benefit from the elimination of tariffs on these parts as well.
If the EU decide to implement tariffs against the UK then the obvious response will be for Toyota to move their EU operations over here.
It is a shame that Pigmy May has already told business that has intends to continue to implement the EU tariff schedule after a no deal Brexit which is why they are justifiably worried.
Luckily, May will not be PM for long and the measures necessary to implement a successful no deal Brexit can be put in place.
Varadkar says May has privately conceded to him the backstop cannot have a time limit
A man who reveals the contents of a private conversation is to be trusted is he?
Leo is getting desperate.....
It's not often I agree with Sammy Wilson but he has a point.
"First of all he knows just how some of the republican madmen in NI will react to the false fears he is stirring up about barriers along the border. Indeed he knows that they will use them to influence stupid and easily led young people to join their ranks"
the only people stirring up the prospects of violence are Varadkar and Coveney
Where's the stirring up of the prospects of violence? Or does any border automatically mean violence these days?
I think the point you're missing is that the Good Friday Agreement which brought the violence (almost) to an end, was made easier by the fact that Eire and the UK were both in the EU.
The EU is the only thing holding NI back from more bloodshed? OK.
Putting up barriers when they had previously been taken down is sending a very strong message to the large minority of people in Northern Ireland who see themselves as Irish that their wishes are of no importance - especially when it is all being done to keep the DUP onside.
The DUP have categorically said they dont want barriers either so how is it their wish ?
If they categorically do not want barriers they would accept the backstop.
or they wouild tell the Irish government to stop being prats and work on a solution
Varadkar says May has privately conceded to him the backstop cannot have a time limit
A man who reveals the contents of a private conversation is to be trusted is he?
Leo is getting desperate.....
It's not often I agree with Sammy Wilson but he has a point.
"First of all he knows just how some of the republican madmen in NI will react to the false fears he is stirring up about barriers along the border. Indeed he knows that they will use them to influence stupid and easily led young people to join their ranks"
the only people stirring up the prospects of violence are Varadkar and Coveney
Where's the stirring up of the prospects of violence? Or does any border automatically mean violence these days?
I think the point you're missing is that the Good Friday Agreement which brought the violence (almost) to an end, was made easier by the fact that Eire and the UK were both in the EU.
The EU is the only thing holding NI back from more bloodshed? OK.
Putting up barriers when they had previously been taken down is sending a very strong message to the large minority of people in Northern Ireland who see themselves as Irish that their wishes are of no importance - especially when it is all being done to keep the DUP onside.
The DUP have categorically said they dont want barriers either so how is it their wish ?
If they categorically do not want barriers they would accept the backstop.
or they wouild tell the Irish government to stop being prats and work on a solution
Or they would tell the British government to stop being prats and stop Brexit.
Varadkar says May has privately conceded to him the backstop cannot have a time limit
A man who reveals the contents of a private conversation is to be trusted is he?
Leo is getting desperate.....
It's not often I agree with Sammy Wilson but he has a point.
"First of all he knows just how some of the republican madmen in NI will react to the false fears he is stirring up about barriers along the border. Indeed he knows that they will use them to influence stupid and easily led young people to join their ranks"
the only people stirring up the prospects of violence are Varadkar and Coveney
Where's the stirring up of the prospects of violence? Or does any border automatically mean violence these days?
I think the point you're missing is that the Good Friday Agreement which brought the violence (almost) to an end, was made easier by the fact that Eire and the UK were both in the EU.
The EU is the only thing holding NI back from more bloodshed? OK.
Putting up barriers when they had previously been taken down is sending a very strong message to the large minority of people in Northern Ireland who see themselves as Irish that their wishes are of no importance - especially when it is all being done to keep the DUP onside.
The DUP have categorically said they dont want barriers either so how is it their wish ?
If they categorically do not want barriers they would accept the backstop.
Perhaps if it didn’t involve the erection of barriers between GB and NI. Suspect the DUP care a bit more about that.
The DUP might care about the percentage of Catholics in NI backing a United Ireland rising from less than 30% to over 50% if a hard border
Varadkar says May has privately conceded to him the backstop cannot have a time limit
A man who reveals the contents of a private conversation is to be trusted is he?
Leo is getting desperate.....
It's not often I agree with Sammy Wilson but he has a point.
"First of all he knows just how some of the republican madmen in NI will react to the false fears he is stirring up about barriers along the border. Indeed he knows that they will use them to influence stupid and easily led young people to join their ranks"
the only people stirring up the prospects of violence are Varadkar and Coveney
Where's the stirring up of the prospects of violence? Or does any border automatically mean violence these days?
I think the point you're missing is that the Good Friday Agreement which brought the violence (almost) to an end, was made easier by the fact that Eire and the UK were both in the EU.
The EU is the only thing holding NI back from more bloodshed? OK.
Putting up barriers when they had previously been taken down is sending a very strong message to the large minority of people in Northern Ireland who see themselves as Irish that their wishes are of no importance - especially when it is all being done to keep the DUP onside.
The DUP have categorically said they dont want barriers either so how is it their wish ?
If they categorically do not want barriers they would accept the backstop.
or they wouild tell the Irish government to stop being prats and work on a solution
Or they would tell the British government to stop being prats and stop Brexit.
Varadkar says May has privately conceded to him the backstop cannot have a time limit
A man who reveals the contents of a private conversation is to be trusted is he?
Leo is getting desperate.....
It's not often I agree with Sammy Wilson but he has a point.
"First of all he knows just how some of the republican madmen in NI will react to the false fears he is stirring up about barriers along the border. Indeed he knows that they will use them to influence stupid and easily led young people to join their ranks"
the only people stirring up the prospects of violence are Varadkar and Coveney
Where's the stirring up of the prospects of violence? Or does any border automatically mean violence these days?
I think the point you're missing is that the Good Friday Agreement which brought the violence (almost) to an end, was made easier by the fact that Eire and the UK were both in the EU.
The EU is the only thing holding NI back from more bloodshed? OK.
Putting up barriers when they had previously been taken down is sending a very strong message to the large minority of people in Northern Ireland who see themselves as Irish that their wishes are of no importance - especially when it is all being done to keep the DUP onside.
Not sure why the EU are so intent on there being a border then. Boggles the mind.
We created the issue, not the EU.
No, the UK's line is that we would be content for there to be the most minimal of borders. The EU's line is that there has either to be the hardest of borders or that the border has to shift to elsewhere within the UK. It is an absurd and unreasonable position taken for base political motives and as such it is an artificial construct entirely of the EU's creation.
Varadkar says May has privately conceded to him the backstop cannot have a time limit
A man who reveals the contents of a private conversation is to be trusted is he?
Leo is getting desperate.....
It's not often I agree with Sammy Wilson but he has a point.
"First of all he knows just how some of the republican madmen in NI will react to the false fears he is stirring up about barriers along the border. Indeed he knows that they will use them to influence stupid and easily led young people to join their ranks"
the only people stirring up the prospects of violence are Varadkar and Coveney
Where's the stirring up of the prospects of violence? Or does any border automatically mean violence these days?
I think the point you're missing is that the Good Friday Agreement which brought the violence (almost) to an end, was made easier by the fact that Eire and the UK were both in the EU.
The EU is the only thing holding NI back from more bloodshed? OK.
Putting up barriers when they had previously been taken down is sending a very strong message to the large minority of people in Northern Ireland who see themselves as Irish that their wishes are of no importance - especially when it is all being done to keep the DUP onside.
The DUP have categorically said they dont want barriers either so how is it their wish ?
If they categorically do not want barriers they would accept the backstop.
Perhaps if it didn’t involve the erection of barriers between GB and NI. Suspect the DUP care a bit more about that.
Indeed - which takes me back to my original point.
Hope Faisal checked his facts this time - he has made some howlers over brexit claims recently.
Well I have no idea about Faisal's track record, but in this tweet at least he has found something that we would all do well to take notice of.
"If no withdrawal agreement is reached and the transition period through December 2020 is consequently not implemented, corporate activities and consumers will be adversely affected by the impacts of suspended production activities resulting from failed just-in-time logistics operations, declines in revenue, and revised vehicle sales prices caused by spiralling logistics and production costs."
That is pretty strong language for the head of a trade association to be using.
Well, he probably feels it necessary to get it across to the dunderheads in government.
Hopefully Archer might take note
I am sure that Toyota would be delighted if the UK implements unilateral free trade in response to No Deal Brexit. Not only would there be no impact at all on parts coming into the UK from the EU, but since over 60% of parts for UK manufacturers come from outside the EU they will benefit from the elimination of tariffs on these parts as well.
If the EU decide to implement tariffs against the UK then the obvious response will be for Toyota to move their EU operations over here.
It is a shame that Pigmy May has already told business that has intends to continue to implement the EU tariff schedule after a no deal Brexit which is why they are justifiably worried.
Luckily, May will not be PM for long and the measures necessary to implement a successful no deal Brexit can be put in place.
If you really think Toyota will move all their European operations here rather than the reverse if there are European tariffs then you are even more deluded than I thought
Varadkar says May has privately conceded to him the backstop cannot have a time limit
A man who reveals the contents of a private conversation is to be trusted is he?
Leo is getting desperate.....
It's not often I agree with Sammy Wilson but he has a point.
"First of all he knows just how some of the republican madmen in NI will react to the false fears he is stirring up about barriers along the border. Indeed he knows that they will use them to influence stupid and easily led young people to join their ranks"
the only people stirring up the prospects of violence are Varadkar and Coveney
Where's the stirring up of the prospects of violence? Or does any border automatically mean violence these days?
I think the point you're missing is that the Good Friday Agreement which brought the violence (almost) to an end, was made easier by the fact that Eire and the UK were both in the EU.
The EU is the only thing holding NI back from more bloodshed? OK.
Putting up barriers when they had previously been taken down is sending a very strong message to the large minority of people in Northern Ireland who see themselves as Irish that their wishes are of no importance - especially when it is all being done to keep the DUP onside.
Not sure why the EU are so intent on there being a border then. Boggles the mind.
We created the issue, not the EU.
No, the UK's line is that we would be content for there to be the most minimal of borders.
This is a lie misunderstanding. The UK's line is that there can be no border infrastructure or checks and this is enshrined in the EU Withdrawal Act.
You seem to be confusing the UK's line with the ERG's.
Is May really going to be left to push us off a cliff come next March, as now seems inevitable? Is no-one going to intervene?
On an unrelated note, I see that Anjem Choudary has been released today on licence, half-way through his sentence. And yet he has resolutely refused to go on any deradicalisation programmes. I would have thought, given what he was convicted for, going on one of those programmes should have been a condition for early release.
Christ: our rulers really are useless!
You forget that there's a lot of Leavers in the Tory party who prefer/want a no deal Brexit.
Some of them think moving to WTO will be a great boost for the country.
By “great boost” presumably they mean that there will be a great boost in the number of newspaper articles describing how Britain has cut itself off without any sort of deal or agreement on stuff like the import of food, medecines and the like, queues outside supermarkets, banks etc...? That sort of boost?
Great economic boost.
I'm really looking forward to the Brexit equivalent of the Chilcot Report.
you;ll be dead before its published
I'm hoping to get a job on it.
Done something I've never done before.
Handed in my notice this morning without a job lined up.
Well done you! Family matters.
And you can always do consultancy work in the meantime while you look for the right job.
Varadkar says May has privately conceded to him the backstop cannot have a time limit
A man who reveals the contents of a private conversation is to be trusted is he?
Leo is getting desperate.....
It's not often I agree with Sammy Wilson but he has a point.
"First of all he knows just how some of the republican madmen in NI will react to the false fears he is stirring up about barriers along the border. Indeed he knows that they will use them to influence stupid and easily led young people to join their ranks"
the only people stirring up the prospects of violence are Varadkar and Coveney
Where's the stirring up of the prospects of violence? Or does any border automatically mean violence these days?
I think the point you're missing is that the Good Friday Agreement which brought the violence (almost) to an end, was made easier by the fact that Eire and the UK were both in the EU.
The EU is the only thing holding NI back from more bloodshed? OK.
Putting up barriers when they had previously been taken down is sending a very strong message to the large minority of people in Northern Ireland who see themselves as Irish that their wishes are of no importance - especially when it is all being done to keep the DUP onside.
The DUP have categorically said they dont want barriers either so how is it their wish ?
If they categorically do not want barriers they would accept the backstop.
Perhaps if it didn’t involve the erection of barriers between GB and NI. Suspect the DUP care a bit more about that.
The DUP might care about the percentage of Catholics in NI backing a United Ireland rising from less than 30% to over 50% if a hard border
in any event wish you all the best in getting a new job quickly
Thanks.
Was looking at my 2019 schedule and realised money isn't everything. I'd rather earn a little bit less and spend more time with the family.
I'm hoping to get a job with a UK based financial institution so I can spend the next 6 months on gardening leave.
Best thing I ever did was handing in my notice without anything to go to. Ended up travelling the globe - admittedly, sometimes with ex-SAS/Foreign Legion special forces close protection - for 25 years.....
I was happy as a pig in a shite. I hope you'll be the same.
And hell, whatever - its go to to be better than Frankfurt.....
Varadkar says May has privately conceded to him the backstop cannot have a time limit
A man who reveals the contents of a private conversation is to be trusted is he?
Leo is getting desperate.....
It's not often I agree with Sammy Wilson but he has a point.
"First of all he knows just how some of the republican madmen in NI will react to the false fears he is stirring up about barriers along the border. Indeed he knows that they will use them to influence stupid and easily led young people to join their ranks"
the only people stirring up the prospects of violence are Varadkar and Coveney
Where's the stirring up of the prospects of violence? Or does any border automatically mean violence these days?
I think the point you're missing is that the Good Friday Agreement which brought the violence (almost) to an end, was made easier by the fact that Eire and the UK were both in the EU.
The EU is the only thing holding NI back from more bloodshed? OK.
Putting up barriers when they had previously been taken down is sending a very strong message to the large minority of people in Northern Ireland who see themselves as Irish that their wishes are of no importance - especially when it is all being done to keep the DUP onside.
The DUP have categorically said they dont want barriers either so how is it their wish ?
If they categorically do not want barriers they would accept the backstop.
or they wouild tell the Irish government to stop being prats and work on a solution
Or they would tell the British government to stop being prats and stop Brexit.
The british government is largely here because Merkel wouldnt give Cameron the concessions on immigation the rest of Europe is quietly installing
Varadkar says May has privately conceded to him the backstop cannot have a time limit
A man who reveals the contents of a private conversation is to be trusted is he?
Leo is getting desperate.....
It's not often I agree with Sammy Wilson but he has a point.
"First of all he knows just how some of the republican madmen in NI will react to the false fears he is stirring up about barriers along the border. Indeed he knows that they will use them to influence stupid and easily led young people to join their ranks"
the only people stirring up the prospects of violence are Varadkar and Coveney
Where's the stirring up of the prospects of violence? Or does any border automatically mean violence these days?
I think the point you're missing is that the Good Friday Agreement which brought the violence (almost) to an end, was made easier by the fact that Eire and the UK were both in the EU.
The EU is the only thing holding NI back from more bloodshed? OK.
Putting up barriers when they had previously been taken down is sending a very strong message to the large minority of people in Northern Ireland who see themselves as Irish that their wishes are of no importance - especially when it is all being done to keep the DUP onside.
The DUP have categorically said they dont want barriers either so how is it their wish ?
If they categorically do not want barriers they would accept the backstop.
Perhaps if it didn’t involve the erection of barriers between GB and NI. Suspect the DUP care a bit more about that.
The DUP might care about the percentage of Catholics in NI backing a United Ireland rising from less than 30% to over 50% if a hard border
Varadkar says May has privately conceded to him the backstop cannot have a time limit
A man who reveals the contents of a private conversation is to be trusted is he?
Leo is getting desperate.....
It's not often I agree with Sammy Wilson but he has a point.
"First of all he knows just how some of the republican madmen in NI will react to the false fears he is stirring up about barriers along the border. Indeed he knows that they will use them to influence stupid and easily led young people to join their ranks"
the only people stirring up the prospects of violence are Varadkar and Coveney
Where's the stirring up of the prospects of violence? Or does any border automatically mean violence these days?
I think the point you're missing is that the Good Friday Agreement which brought the violence (almost) to an end, was made easier by the fact that Eire and the UK were both in the EU.
The EU is the only thing holding NI back from more bloodshed? OK.
Putting up barriers when they had previously been taken down is sending a very strong message to the large minority of people in Northern Ireland who see themselves as Irish that their wishes are of no importance - especially when it is all being done to keep the DUP onside.
The DUP have categorically said they dont want barriers either so how is it their wish ?
If they categorically do not want barriers they would accept the backstop.
or they wouild tell the Irish government to stop being prats and work on a solution
Or they would tell the British government to stop being prats and stop Brexit.
The british government is largely here because Merkel wouldnt give Cameron the concessions on immigation the rest of Europe is quietly installing
The EU shot itself in the foot.
"Merkel Movement" does seem to require a micrometer to measure.....
Hope Faisal checked his facts this time - he has made some howlers over brexit claims recently.
Well I have no idea about Faisal's track record, but in this tweet at least he has found something that we would all do well to take notice of.
"If no withdrawal agreement is reached and the transition period through December 2020 is consequently not implemented, corporate activities and consumers will be adversely affected by the impacts of suspended production activities resulting from failed just-in-time logistics operations, declines in revenue, and revised vehicle sales prices caused by spiralling logistics and production costs."
That is pretty strong language for the head of a trade association to be using.
Well, he probably feels it necessary to get it across to the dunderheads in government.
Hopefully Archer might take note
I am sure that Toyota would be delighted if the UK implements unilateral free trade in response to No Deal Brexit. Not only would there be no impact at all on parts coming into the UK from the EU, but since over 60% of parts for UK manufacturers come from outside the EU they will benefit from the elimination of tariffs on these parts as well.
If the EU decide to implement tariffs against the UK then the obvious response will be for Toyota to move their EU operations over here.
It is a shame that Pigmy May has already told business that has intends to continue to implement the EU tariff schedule after a no deal Brexit which is why they are justifiably worried.
Luckily, May will not be PM for long and the measures necessary to implement a successful no deal Brexit can be put in place.
If you really think Toyota will move all their European operations here rather than the reverse if there are European tariffs then you are even more deluded than I thought
As we know, the Bucanneers know more about manufacturing cars than car manufacturers, more about the life sciences industry than pharma companies, more about running lorry fleets than transportation businesses and more about food production than the supermarkets.
Mr. Cocque, plenty of Labour supporters voted to leave the EU as well. Pretending it was the evil, baby-eating Tories is wrong (and unnecessary, as you can legitimately blame May's incompetence and capitulation for much of the present woe).
Varadkar says May has privately conceded to him the backstop cannot have a time limit
A man who reveals the contents of a private conversation is to be trusted is he?
Leo is getting desperate.....
It's not often I agree with Sammy Wilson but he has a point.
"First of all he knows just how some of the republican madmen in NI will react to the false fears he is stirring up about barriers along the border. Indeed he knows that they will use them to influence stupid and easily led young people to join their ranks"
the only people stirring up the prospects of violence are Varadkar and Coveney
Where's the stirring up of the prospects of violence? Or does any border automatically mean violence these days?
I think the point you're missing is that the Good Friday Agreement which brought the violence (almost) to an end, was made easier by the fact that Eire and the UK were both in the EU.
The EU is the only thing holding NI back from more bloodshed? OK.
Putting up barriers when they had previously been taken down is sending a very strong message to the large minority of people in Northern Ireland who see themselves as Irish that their wishes are of no importance - especially when it is all being done to keep the DUP onside.
The DUP have categorically said they dont want barriers either so how is it their wish ?
If they categorically do not want barriers they would accept the backstop.
or they wouild tell the Irish government to stop being prats and work on a solution
Or they would tell the British government to stop being prats and stop Brexit.
The british government is largely here because Merkel wouldnt give Cameron the concessions on immigation the rest of Europe is quietly installing
The EU shot itself in the foot.
Are you really that ill-informed? Which "concessions on immigation the rest of Europe is quietly installing"? Free movement within the EU isn't under threat anywhere.
Hope Faisal checked his facts this time - he has made some howlers over brexit claims recently.
Well I have no idea about Faisal's track record, but in this tweet at least he has found something that we would all do well to take notice of.
"If no withdrawal agreement is reached and the transition period through December 2020 is consequently not implemented, corporate activities and consumers will be adversely affected by the impacts of suspended production activities resulting from failed just-in-time logistics operations, declines in revenue, and revised vehicle sales prices caused by spiralling logistics and production costs."
That is pretty strong language for the head of a trade association to be using.
Well, he probably feels it necessary to get it across to the dunderheads in government.
Hopefully Archer might take note
I am sure that Toyota would be delighted if the UK implements unilateral free trade in response to No Deal Brexit. Not only would there be no impact at all on parts coming into the UK from the EU, but since over 60% of parts for UK manufacturers come from outside the EU they will benefit from the elimination of tariffs on these parts as well.
If the EU decide to implement tariffs against the UK then the obvious response will be for Toyota to move their EU operations over here.
It is a shame that Pigmy May has already told business that has intends to continue to implement the EU tariff schedule after a no deal Brexit which is why they are justifiably worried.
Luckily, May will not be PM for long and the measures necessary to implement a successful no deal Brexit can be put in place.
If the UK implemented unilateral free trade Toyota would put out of business, as would most other manufacturing industries. All our cars would be imported from China and other low-cost producers in the Far East. Unilateral free trade is the loopiest of the many loopy fantasies to be found amongst Brexiteers diehards.
Hope Faisal checked his facts this time - he has made some howlers over brexit claims recently.
Well I have no idea about Faisal's track record, but in this tweet at least he has found something that we would all do well to take notice of.
"If no withdrawal agreement is reached and the transition period through December 2020 is consequently not implemented, corporate activities and consumers will be adversely affected by the impacts of suspended production activities resulting from failed just-in-time logistics operations, declines in revenue, and revised vehicle sales prices caused by spiralling logistics and production costs."
That is pretty strong language for the head of a trade association to be using.
Well, he probably feels it necessary to get it across to the dunderheads in government.
Hopefully Archer might take note
I am sure that Toyota would be delighted if the UK implements unilateral free trade in response to No Deal Brexit. Not only would there be no impact at all on parts coming into the UK from the EU, but since over 60% of parts for UK manufacturers come from outside the EU they will benefit from the elimination of tariffs on these parts as well.
If the EU decide to implement tariffs against the UK then the obvious response will be for Toyota to move their EU operations over here.
It is a shame that Pigmy May has already told business that has intends to continue to implement the EU tariff schedule after a no deal Brexit which is why they are justifiably worried.
Luckily, May will not be PM for long and the measures necessary to implement a successful no deal Brexit can be put in place.
If you really think Toyota will move all their European operations here rather than the reverse if there are European tariffs then you are even more deluded than I thought
As we know, the Bucanneers know more about manufacturing cars than car manufacturers, more about the life sciences industry than pharma companies, more about running lorry fleets than transportation businesses and more about food production than the supermarkets.
Of course no one on the remain side is guilty of such a thing.....
Varadkar says May has privately conceded to him the backstop cannot have a time limit
A man who reveals the contents of a private conversation is to be trusted is he?
Leo is getting desperate.....
It's not often I agree with Sammy Wilson but he has a point.
"First of all he knows just how some of the republican madmen in NI will react to the false fears he is stirring up about barriers along the border. Indeed he knows that they will use them to influence stupid and easily led young people to join their ranks"
the only people stirring up the prospects of violence are Varadkar and Coveney
Where's the stirring up of the prospects of violence? Or does any border automatically mean violence these days?
I think the point you're missing is that the Good Friday Agreement which brought the violence (almost) to an end, was made easier by the fact that Eire and the UK were both in the EU.
The EU is the only thing holding NI back from more bloodshed? OK.
Putting up barriers when they had previously been taken down is sending a very strong message to the large minority of people in Northern Ireland who see themselves as Irish that their wishes are of no importance - especially when it is all being done to keep the DUP onside.
The DUP have categorically said they dont want barriers either so how is it their wish ?
If they categorically do not want barriers they would accept the backstop.
or they wouild tell the Irish government to stop being prats and work on a solution
Or they would tell the British government to stop being prats and stop Brexit.
The british government is largely here because Merkel wouldnt give Cameron the concessions on immigation the rest of Europe is quietly installing
The EU shot itself in the foot.
Are you really that ill-informed? Which "concessions on immigation the rest of Europe is quietly installing"? Free movement within the EU isn't under threat anywhere.
nice attempt William but I do read the European press lot more than you do
Varadkar says May has privately conceded to him the backstop cannot have a time limit
A man who reveals the contents of a private conversation is to be trusted is he?
Leo is getting desperate.....
It's not often I agree with Sammy Wilson but he has a point.
"First of all he knows just how some of the republican madmen in NI will react to the false fears he is stirring up about barriers along the border. Indeed he knows that they will use them to influence stupid and easily led young people to join their ranks"
the only people stirring up the prospects of violence are Varadkar and Coveney
Where's the stirring up of the prospects of violence? Or does any border automatically mean violence these days?
I think the point you're missing is that the Good Friday Agreement which brought the violence (almost) to an end, was made easier by the fact that Eire and the UK were both in the EU.
The EU is the only thing holding NI back from more bloodshed? OK.
Putting up barriers when they had previously been taken down is sending a very strong message to the large minority of people in Northern Ireland who see themselves as Irish that their wishes are of no importance - especially when it is all being done to keep the DUP onside.
The DUP have categorically said they dont want barriers either so how is it their wish ?
If they categorically do not want barriers they would accept the backstop.
or they wouild tell the Irish government to stop being prats and work on a solution
Or they would tell the British government to stop being prats and stop Brexit.
Ignoring the decision to leave?
Look - you only respect the wishes of the people if they vote the way you want.
Actually, it seems to be enshrined EU procedure judging from history
"Receipts in September 2018 increased by 3.2% compared with September 2017, to £56.4 billion, while total expenditure increased by 2.8% to £59.4 billion.
Much of the annual growth in receipts came from Value Added Tax (VAT), Income Tax and National Insurance contributions, while other taxes such as duties on both tobacco and Stamp Duty (on land and properties) have fallen marginally on September 2017."
I mean, what is it going to take for us to rebase our growth figures? Its getting silly.
The ONS is simply not fit for purpose. As I have been saying on here for years Britain is booming, there is zero unemployment and I would guess growth has been around 3-4% a year for at least the last five years, despite of course the economy being run by the worst government in history.
"Receipts in September 2018 increased by 3.2% compared with September 2017, to £56.4 billion, while total expenditure increased by 2.8% to £59.4 billion.
Much of the annual growth in receipts came from Value Added Tax (VAT), Income Tax and National Insurance contributions, while other taxes such as duties on both tobacco and Stamp Duty (on land and properties) have fallen marginally on September 2017."
I mean, what is it going to take for us to rebase our growth figures? Its getting silly.
The ONS is simply not fit for purpose. As I have been saying on here for years Britain is booming, there is zero unemployment and I would guess growth has been around 3-4% a year for at least the last five years, despite of course the economy being run by the worst government in history.
Mr. Cocque, plenty of Labour supporters voted to leave the EU as well. Pretending it was the evil, baby-eating Tories is wrong (and unnecessary, as you can legitimately blame May's incompetence and capitulation for much of the present woe).
Yes, but most of the actual big lies, the clinchers shall we say, came from Tories. It wasn't Labour who told me we'd be able to spend 350 million a week on the NHS. It wasn't Labour who told us "absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the single market" or said that no deal wouldn't happen, that it'd be the easiest deal ever, etc. etc.
The Tories told all the biggest and most important lies.
And now, the actual botching of the botched Brexit belongs to, will always belong to, the Tories.
The Tories will be, for the remainder of posterity, the party that lied about Brexit, and then completely fucking botched it. Labour won't.
"Receipts in September 2018 increased by 3.2% compared with September 2017, to £56.4 billion, while total expenditure increased by 2.8% to £59.4 billion.
Much of the annual growth in receipts came from Value Added Tax (VAT), Income Tax and National Insurance contributions, while other taxes such as duties on both tobacco and Stamp Duty (on land and properties) have fallen marginally on September 2017."
I mean, what is it going to take for us to rebase our growth figures? Its getting silly.
The ONS is simply not fit for purpose. As I have been saying on here for years Britain is booming, there is zero unemployment and I would guess growth has been around 3-4% a year for at least the last five years, despite of course the economy being run by the worst government in history.
Been watching a few episodes of 'Shark Tank', the US version of 'Dragon's Den'. Their attitude to business is so different to ours. I'm finding it almost difficult to comprehend. It seems to come so naturally to them. They also talk much bigger numbers. Their 'Sharks' have no problem casually throwing down a million dollar investment offer on the table.
Mr. Foremain, sorry, missed your post before, hence tardy reply.
I think the behaviour of some ex-Remain campaigners makes that more difficult. There have been accusations of them effectively batting for the other side against their own country, which means that for Leave supporters to perform a volte face rewards intransigence and reluctance to enforce a democratic decision.
I do think things are going very poorly. That's due to a cocktail of May's capitulation and incompetence, and the EU's faithless and obstinate approach (to reach a deal we need to annex Northern Ireland into the customs union is a rancid position to adopt).
There are problems with every option. Suppose we have a referendum and still choose to leave. What's resolved? Remain types won't accept it. If we have a referendum and choose to stay (assuming that's even possible) the message will be loud and clear: the electorate's opinion counts if they agree with the political class and, if not, they'll be given another chance to provide the 'right' answer.
However, we shouldn't let the current situation blind us to the past one, or the counterfactual (in which no referendum had been held). The political class has been dragging us without democratic consent ever closer into the EU's clutches. They've broken manifesto pledges to hold a referendum before. The UK electorate likes EU economics, dislikes EU politics, and was promised a vote on Lisbon.
Dissolving the democratic frog in bureaucratic hot water is not a good situation.
Edited extra bit: sorry, bit rambly.
You can make a case for another vote. But I think people who single-mindedly advocate that dramatically underestimate the profoundly negative consequences for the body politic in this country.
I outlined some years ago a route to the far right rising in this country (the far left, alas, already owns Labour). Asking the people what they want to do about the EU, then running another referendum with the options of An Incredibly Poor Deal and Remain, would be a wonderful way to disenchant swathes of the electorate and persuade them no established party will take them seriously.
Thank you for your response. Where we are in agreement is that a rerun of the original vote would not be a good thing. My question though was, has it been worth it? No offence, but you gave me a bit of a politician's answer. The supplementary question has to be, if it was worth it, what are we actually going to gain in return for the pain (cutting through the naïve propaganda)?
"Receipts in September 2018 increased by 3.2% compared with September 2017, to £56.4 billion, while total expenditure increased by 2.8% to £59.4 billion.
Much of the annual growth in receipts came from Value Added Tax (VAT), Income Tax and National Insurance contributions, while other taxes such as duties on both tobacco and Stamp Duty (on land and properties) have fallen marginally on September 2017."
I mean, what is it going to take for us to rebase our growth figures? Its getting silly.
The ONS is simply not fit for purpose. As I have been saying on here for years Britain is booming, there is zero unemployment and I would guess growth has been around 3-4% a year for at least the last five years, despite of course the economy being run by the worst government in history.
You think that they are out by a factor of two?
Absolutely, their figures are completely laughable, we are at full employment, despite the large scale migration of workers into this country from eastern europe. If you believe their growth figures we should be at 3 million unemployed. It is just silly. Anyone who wants a job now can have one, when in the last 60 years has that been the case in this Country, yet according to the ONS we have very low growth. The borrowing figures reflect the fact that growth is 3-4%, who on here predicted that we would basically have a balanced buget by now.
Hope Faisal checked his facts this time - he has made some howlers over brexit claims recently.
Well I have no idea about Faisal's track record, but in this tweet at least he has found something that we would all do well to take notice of.
"If no withdrawal agreement is reached and the transition period through December 2020 is consequently not implemented, corporate activities and consumers will be adversely affected by the impacts of suspended production activities resulting from failed just-in-time logistics operations, declines in revenue, and revised vehicle sales prices caused by spiralling logistics and production costs."
That is pretty strong language for the head of a trade association to be using.
Well, he probably feels it necessary to get it across to the dunderheads in government.
Hopefully Archer might take note
I am sure that Toyota would be delighted if the UK implements unilateral free trade in response to No Deal Brexit. Not only would there be no impact at all on parts coming into the UK from the EU, but since over 60% of parts for UK manufacturers come from outside the EU they will benefit from the elimination of tariffs on these parts as well.
If the EU decide to implement tariffs against the UK then the obvious response will be for Toyota to move their EU operations over here.
It is a shame that Pigmy May has already told business that has intends to continue to implement the EU tariff schedule after a no deal Brexit which is why they are justifiably worried.
Luckily, May will not be PM for long and the measures necessary to implement a successful no deal Brexit can be put in place.
If you really think Toyota will move all their European operations here rather than the reverse if there are European tariffs then you are even more deluded than I thought
As we know, the Bucanneers know more about manufacturing cars than car manufacturers, more about the life sciences industry than pharma companies, more about running lorry fleets than transportation businesses and more about food production than the supermarkets.
and they know more than the experts. On that area they are, nothing short of expert.
Thank you for your response. Where we are in agreement is that a rerun of the original vote would not be a good thing. My question though was, has it been worth it? No offence, but you gave me a bit of a politician's answer. The supplementary question has to be, if it was worth it, what are we actually going to gain in return for the pain (cutting through the naïve propaganda)?
The most important thing is that the UK is finally starting to see itself in the same light as everyone else does: a bit of a joke.
"Receipts in September 2018 increased by 3.2% compared with September 2017, to £56.4 billion, while total expenditure increased by 2.8% to £59.4 billion.
Much of the annual growth in receipts came from Value Added Tax (VAT), Income Tax and National Insurance contributions, while other taxes such as duties on both tobacco and Stamp Duty (on land and properties) have fallen marginally on September 2017."
I mean, what is it going to take for us to rebase our growth figures? Its getting silly.
The ONS is simply not fit for purpose. As I have been saying on here for years Britain is booming, there is zero unemployment and I would guess growth has been around 3-4% a year for at least the last five years, despite of course the economy being run by the worst government in history.
Mr. Cocque, plenty of Labour supporters voted to leave the EU as well. Pretending it was the evil, baby-eating Tories is wrong (and unnecessary, as you can legitimately blame May's incompetence and capitulation for much of the present woe).
Yes, but most of the actual big lies, the clinchers shall we say, came from Tories. It wasn't Labour who told me we'd be able to spend 350 million a week on the NHS. It wasn't Labour who told us "absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the single market" or said that no deal wouldn't happen, that it'd be the easiest deal ever, etc. etc.
The Tories told all the biggest and most important lies.
And now, the actual botching of the botched Brexit belongs to, will always belong to, the Tories.
The Tories will be, for the remainder of posterity, the party that lied about Brexit, and then completely fucking botched it. Labour won't.
They did the opposite of what Robert Smithson recommended, to walk softly and carry a big stick.
Mr. Foremain, the ultimate question is whether we want to govern ourselves, and leave the EU, or consider the economic advantages worth sacrificing self-determination.
That's the problem. We'd be happy with the economics and no more politics. But that wasn't on offer.
Mr. Cocque, I've never understood why some people seem to delight in disliking their own nation.
"Receipts in September 2018 increased by 3.2% compared with September 2017, to £56.4 billion, while total expenditure increased by 2.8% to £59.4 billion.
Much of the annual growth in receipts came from Value Added Tax (VAT), Income Tax and National Insurance contributions, while other taxes such as duties on both tobacco and Stamp Duty (on land and properties) have fallen marginally on September 2017."
I mean, what is it going to take for us to rebase our growth figures? Its getting silly.
The ONS is simply not fit for purpose. As I have been saying on here for years Britain is booming, there is zero unemployment and I would guess growth has been around 3-4% a year for at least the last five years, despite of course the economy being run by the worst government in history.
Thank you for your response. Where we are in agreement is that a rerun of the original vote would not be a good thing. My question though was, has it been worth it? No offence, but you gave me a bit of a politician's answer. The supplementary question has to be, if it was worth it, what are we actually going to gain in return for the pain (cutting through the naïve propaganda)?
The most important thing is that the UK is finally starting to see itself in the same light as everyone else does: a bit of a joke.
Strange as it may seem, the UK is one of the best-governed places to live in.
Thank you for your response. Where we are in agreement is that a rerun of the original vote would not be a good thing. My question though was, has it been worth it? No offence, but you gave me a bit of a politician's answer. The supplementary question has to be, if it was worth it, what are we actually going to gain in return for the pain (cutting through the naïve propaganda)?
The most important thing is that the UK is finally starting to see itself in the same light as everyone else does: a bit of a joke.
As a patriot that is one of the things that I always feared from this stupid and unnecessary period of collective insanity. Before we were members we were known as "the sick man of Europe". That was perhaps better than now being seen as "the thick man of Europe"
"Receipts in September 2018 increased by 3.2% compared with September 2017, to £56.4 billion, while total expenditure increased by 2.8% to £59.4 billion.
Much of the annual growth in receipts came from Value Added Tax (VAT), Income Tax and National Insurance contributions, while other taxes such as duties on both tobacco and Stamp Duty (on land and properties) have fallen marginally on September 2017."
I mean, what is it going to take for us to rebase our growth figures? Its getting silly.
The ONS is simply not fit for purpose. As I have been saying on here for years Britain is booming, there is zero unemployment and I would guess growth has been around 3-4% a year for at least the last five years, despite of course the economy being run by the worst government in history.
You think that they are out by a factor of two?
Absolutely, their figures are completely laughable, we are at full employment, despite the large scale migration of workers into this country from eastern europe. If you believe their growth figures we should be at 3 million unemployed. It is just silly. Anyone who wants a job now can have one, when in the last 60 years has that been the case in this Country, yet according to the ONS we have very low growth. The borrowing figures reflect the fact that growth is 3-4%, who on here predicted that we would basically have a balanced buget by now.
A £20bn deficit (that we look to be on track for) is not the surplus in 2015 I was promised by George Osborne.
Mr. Foremain, the ultimate question is whether we want to govern ourselves, and leave the EU, or consider the economic advantages worth sacrificing self-determination.
That's the problem. We'd be happy with the economics and no more politics. But that wasn't on offer.
Mr. Cocque, I've never understood why some people seem to delight in disliking their own nation.
It's about delusion and pomposity. The Brexit buccaneers have been pompous and delusional to a fault, and seeing them slam face first into cold, hard reality has been an absolute delight.
It's going to take this nation a long, long time to rebuild the international trust and respect the UK used to possess and the Tories pissed up the swannee.
What say you lads (and any lasses that may be lurking), acceptable or unacceptable face of capitalism? Since the face tried to slither off camera asap, he apparently may have a view on that himself.
So basically the interview was supposed to be about something else and the interviewer raises the bonus, end of interview.
Well, can't blame him for trying I suppose and a story about bricks would obviously hold limited interest. Stepping back a bit this seems to be a matter between the Persimmon shareholders and their chief exec. If they are happy what's it got to do with us?
"Receipts in September 2018 increased by 3.2% compared with September 2017, to £56.4 billion, while total expenditure increased by 2.8% to £59.4 billion.
Much of the annual growth in receipts came from Value Added Tax (VAT), Income Tax and National Insurance contributions, while other taxes such as duties on both tobacco and Stamp Duty (on land and properties) have fallen marginally on September 2017."
I mean, what is it going to take for us to rebase our growth figures? Its getting silly.
The ONS is simply not fit for purpose. As I have been saying on here for years Britain is booming, there is zero unemployment and I would guess growth has been around 3-4% a year for at least the last five years, despite of course the economy being run by the worst government in history.
I’d prefer to back the ONS over guesses pulled from the arse of a pb poster. Similtaneously you can find no shortage of other pb posters saying how terrible Britain is, usually blaming immigrants for depressing wages. The ONS takes an overview, not just anecdotal experience. It doesn’t always get it right but it’s very professional at what it does.
"Receipts in September 2018 increased by 3.2% compared with September 2017, to £56.4 billion, while total expenditure increased by 2.8% to £59.4 billion.
Much of the annual growth in receipts came from Value Added Tax (VAT), Income Tax and National Insurance contributions, while other taxes such as duties on both tobacco and Stamp Duty (on land and properties) have fallen marginally on September 2017."
I mean, what is it going to take for us to rebase our growth figures? Its getting silly.
The ONS is simply not fit for purpose. As I have been saying on here for years Britain is booming, there is zero unemployment and I would guess growth has been around 3-4% a year for at least the last five years, despite of course the economy being run by the worst government in history.
I’d prefer to back the ONS over guesses pulled from the arse of a pb poster. Similtaneously you can find no shortage of other pb posters saying how terrible Britain is, usually blaming immigrants for depressing wages. The ONS takes an overview, not just anecdotal experience. It doesn’t always get it right but it’s very professional at what it does.
So explain the borrowing figures then against what they claim growth to be??
"Receipts in September 2018 increased by 3.2% compared with September 2017, to £56.4 billion, while total expenditure increased by 2.8% to £59.4 billion.
Much of the annual growth in receipts came from Value Added Tax (VAT), Income Tax and National Insurance contributions, while other taxes such as duties on both tobacco and Stamp Duty (on land and properties) have fallen marginally on September 2017."
I mean, what is it going to take for us to rebase our growth figures? Its getting silly.
The ONS is simply not fit for purpose. As I have been saying on here for years Britain is booming, there is zero unemployment and I would guess growth has been around 3-4% a year for at least the last five years, despite of course the economy being run by the worst government in history.
I’d prefer to back the ONS over guesses pulled from the arse of a pb poster. Similtaneously you can find no shortage of other pb posters saying how terrible Britain is, usually blaming immigrants for depressing wages. The ONS takes an overview, not just anecdotal experience. It doesn’t always get it right but it’s very professional at what it does.
So explain the borrowing figures then against what they claim growth to be??
I think it's throwing the OBR out. Based on expected growth, they keep overestimating the deficit
"Receipts in September 2018 increased by 3.2% compared with September 2017, to £56.4 billion, while total expenditure increased by 2.8% to £59.4 billion.
Much of the annual growth in receipts came from Value Added Tax (VAT), Income Tax and National Insurance contributions, while other taxes such as duties on both tobacco and Stamp Duty (on land and properties) have fallen marginally on September 2017."
I mean, what is it going to take for us to rebase our growth figures? Its getting silly.
The ONS is simply not fit for purpose. As I have been saying on here for years Britain is booming, there is zero unemployment and I would guess growth has been around 3-4% a year for at least the last five years, despite of course the economy being run by the worst government in history.
I’d prefer to back the ONS over guesses pulled from the arse of a pb poster. Similtaneously you can find no shortage of other pb posters saying how terrible Britain is, usually blaming immigrants for depressing wages. The ONS takes an overview, not just anecdotal experience. It doesn’t always get it right but it’s very professional at what it does.
So explain the borrowing figures then against what they claim growth to be??
Taking the five year time frame you referred to, a damn sight more explicable than your guess.
"Receipts in September 2018 increased by 3.2% compared with September 2017, to £56.4 billion, while total expenditure increased by 2.8% to £59.4 billion.
Much of the annual growth in receipts came from Value Added Tax (VAT), Income Tax and National Insurance contributions, while other taxes such as duties on both tobacco and Stamp Duty (on land and properties) have fallen marginally on September 2017."
I mean, what is it going to take for us to rebase our growth figures? Its getting silly.
The ONS is simply not fit for purpose. As I have been saying on here for years Britain is booming, there is zero unemployment and I would guess growth has been around 3-4% a year for at least the last five years, despite of course the economy being run by the worst government in history.
I’d prefer to back the ONS over guesses pulled from the arse of a pb poster. Similtaneously you can find no shortage of other pb posters saying how terrible Britain is, usually blaming immigrants for depressing wages. The ONS takes an overview, not just anecdotal experience. It doesn’t always get it right but it’s very professional at what it does.
So explain the borrowing figures then against what they claim growth to be??
I think it's throwing the OBR out. Based on expected growth, they keep overestimating the deficit
GDP numbers tend to get upwards in subsequent years.
"Receipts in September 2018 increased by 3.2% compared with September 2017, to £56.4 billion, while total expenditure increased by 2.8% to £59.4 billion.
Much of the annual growth in receipts came from Value Added Tax (VAT), Income Tax and National Insurance contributions, while other taxes such as duties on both tobacco and Stamp Duty (on land and properties) have fallen marginally on September 2017."
I mean, what is it going to take for us to rebase our growth figures? Its getting silly.
The ONS is simply not fit for purpose. As I have been saying on here for years Britain is booming, there is zero unemployment and I would guess growth has been around 3-4% a year for at least the last five years, despite of course the economy being run by the worst government in history.
I’d prefer to back the ONS over guesses pulled from the arse of a pb poster. Similtaneously you can find no shortage of other pb posters saying how terrible Britain is, usually blaming immigrants for depressing wages. The ONS takes an overview, not just anecdotal experience. It doesn’t always get it right but it’s very professional at what it does.
So explain the borrowing figures then against what they claim growth to be??
Mr. P, no, it isn't. People wanting to remain in or leave the EU has nothing to do with whether they like or dislike their own country.
Mr. Cocque, delusion is when you promise the electorate a referendum, then renege upon it after the election. It's when you take powers from the UK, hand them to the EU, never ask the public, and are surprised when EU-scepticism rises. A flash of fire might be dramatic, but it's no hotter than slowly boiling a frog.
If the political class had taken more account of, or understood better, the people they presume to govern then this would've been headed off by a referendum on Lisbon.
"Receipts in September 2018 increased by 3.2% compared with September 2017, to £56.4 billion, while total expenditure increased by 2.8% to £59.4 billion.
Much of the annual growth in receipts came from Value Added Tax (VAT), Income Tax and National Insurance contributions, while other taxes such as duties on both tobacco and Stamp Duty (on land and properties) have fallen marginally on September 2017."
I mean, what is it going to take for us to rebase our growth figures? Its getting silly.
The ONS is simply not fit for purpose. As I have been saying on here for years Britain is booming, there is zero unemployment and I would guess growth has been around 3-4% a year for at least the last five years, despite of course the economy being run by the worst government in history.
I’d prefer to back the ONS over guesses pulled from the arse of a pb poster. Similtaneously you can find no shortage of other pb posters saying how terrible Britain is, usually blaming immigrants for depressing wages. The ONS takes an overview, not just anecdotal experience. It doesn’t always get it right but it’s very professional at what it does.
Forgive me Alastair if I am misremembering, but did you not write a thread header that questioned the immigration statistics? I've had a quick Google and couldn't find anything so perhaps it wasn't you, but I'm sure I've seen someone on here question them.
"Receipts in September 2018 increased by 3.2% compared with September 2017, to £56.4 billion, while total expenditure increased by 2.8% to £59.4 billion.
Much of the annual growth in receipts came from Value Added Tax (VAT), Income Tax and National Insurance contributions, while other taxes such as duties on both tobacco and Stamp Duty (on land and properties) have fallen marginally on September 2017."
I mean, what is it going to take for us to rebase our growth figures? Its getting silly.
The ONS is simply not fit for purpose. As I have been saying on here for years Britain is booming, there is zero unemployment and I would guess growth has been around 3-4% a year for at least the last five years, despite of course the economy being run by the worst government in history.
I’d prefer to back the ONS over guesses pulled from the arse of a pb poster. Similtaneously you can find no shortage of other pb posters saying how terrible Britain is, usually blaming immigrants for depressing wages. The ONS takes an overview, not just anecdotal experience. It doesn’t always get it right but it’s very professional at what it does.
Forgive me Alastair if I am misremembering, but did you not write a thread header that questioned the immigration statistics? I've had a quick Google and couldn't find anything so perhaps it wasn't you, but I'm sure I've seen someone on here question them.
Labour doesn't seem to like Nick Clegg getting a job:
Jon Trickett, the shadow Cabinet Office minister, said:
"It is a damning indictment of the sorry state of our country’s politics that, at a time when digital giants such as Facebook are rightly coming under public scrutiny, our former deputy prime minister has been hired to lobby on their behalf.
Labour is committed to slamming shut the revolving door between politics and big business, which for too long has corroded public trust in politics."
Quite right too. The People's Commissars will decide who gets what job, and of course moving to the US will be banned altogether.
Deal with it, I voted Remain and wish Cameron was still PM, but hes not and we are leaving the EU. Since the vote this country has boomed, going completely against all predictions from the Remain side. I am optomistic. I really don't see the point in worrying about predictions as from my experience they are nearly always wrong. All your posts are just predictions from "experts" of how things are going to be terrible. You would have wasted alot of time if things go well.
Deal with it, I voted Remain and wish Cameron was still PM, but hes not and we are leaving the EU. Since the vote this country has boomed, going completely against all predictions from the Remain side. I am optomistic. I really don't see the point in worrying about predictions as from my experience they are nearly always wrong. All your posts are just predictions from "experts" of how things are going to be terrible. You would have wasted alot of time if things go well.
Get real. The idea that leaving the single market and customs union will introduce trade barriers is not a "prediction" but the actual reality of what it means.
"Receipts in September 2018 increased by 3.2% compared with September 2017, to £56.4 billion, while total expenditure increased by 2.8% to £59.4 billion.
Much of the annual growth in receipts came from Value Added Tax (VAT), Income Tax and National Insurance contributions, while other taxes such as duties on both tobacco and Stamp Duty (on land and properties) have fallen marginally on September 2017."
I mean, what is it going to take for us to rebase our growth figures? Its getting silly.
The ONS is simply not fit for purpose. As I have been saying on here for years Britain is booming, there is zero unemployment and I would guess growth has been around 3-4% a year for at least the last five years, despite of course the economy being run by the worst government in history.
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We need a second poll
I think the behaviour of some ex-Remain campaigners makes that more difficult. There have been accusations of them effectively batting for the other side against their own country, which means that for Leave supporters to perform a volte face rewards intransigence and reluctance to enforce a democratic decision.
I do think things are going very poorly. That's due to a cocktail of May's capitulation and incompetence, and the EU's faithless and obstinate approach (to reach a deal we need to annex Northern Ireland into the customs union is a rancid position to adopt).
There are problems with every option. Suppose we have a referendum and still choose to leave. What's resolved? Remain types won't accept it. If we have a referendum and choose to stay (assuming that's even possible) the message will be loud and clear: the electorate's opinion counts if they agree with the political class and, if not, they'll be given another chance to provide the 'right' answer.
However, we shouldn't let the current situation blind us to the past one, or the counterfactual (in which no referendum had been held). The political class has been dragging us without democratic consent ever closer into the EU's clutches. They've broken manifesto pledges to hold a referendum before. The UK electorate likes EU economics, dislikes EU politics, and was promised a vote on Lisbon.
Dissolving the democratic frog in bureaucratic hot water is not a good situation.
Edited extra bit: sorry, bit rambly.
You can make a case for another vote. But I think people who single-mindedly advocate that dramatically underestimate the profoundly negative consequences for the body politic in this country.
I outlined some years ago a route to the far right rising in this country (the far left, alas, already owns Labour). Asking the people what they want to do about the EU, then running another referendum with the options of An Incredibly Poor Deal and Remain, would be a wonderful way to disenchant swathes of the electorate and persuade them no established party will take them seriously.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-northern-ireland-44162470
If the EU decide to implement tariffs against the UK then the obvious response will be for Toyota to move their EU operations over here.
It is a shame that Pigmy May has already told business that has intends to continue to implement the EU tariff schedule after a no deal Brexit which is why they are justifiably worried.
Luckily, May will not be PM for long and the measures necessary to implement a successful no deal Brexit can be put in place.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-northern-ireland-44162470
You seem to be confusing the UK's line with the ERG's.
And you can always do consultancy work in the meantime while you look for the right job.
I was happy as a pig in a shite. I hope you'll be the same.
And hell, whatever - its go to to be better than Frankfurt.....
The EU shot itself in the foot.
We'll have a lifetime to repent at our leisure about why we let the Tories deceive us into a botched Brexit.
Is this the trial Tommy Robinson was trying to film?
Labour leadership were in truth strangely silent on the issue.
Actually, it seems to be enshrined EU procedure judging from history
The Tories told all the biggest and most important lies.
And now, the actual botching of the botched Brexit belongs to, will always belong to, the Tories.
The Tories will be, for the remainder of posterity, the party that lied about Brexit, and then completely fucking botched it. Labour won't.
https://fullfact.org/economy/uk-economic-growth-within-g7/
It's fascinating.
That's the problem. We'd be happy with the economics and no more politics. But that wasn't on offer.
Mr. Cocque, I've never understood why some people seem to delight in disliking their own nation.
https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire-news/huddersfield-grooming-gang-operation-tendersea-15290153
and on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/StephanieFinneg/status/1053279770413273090
It's going to take this nation a long, long time to rebuild the international trust and respect the UK used to possess and the Tories pissed up the swannee.
I'll put you down for an 'acceptable' anyway.
https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1053285096424464384
What will you do when it's not?
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/412206-virginia-sees-large-increases-in-absentee-voting-ahead-of-midterms
Mr. Cocque, delusion is when you promise the electorate a referendum, then renege upon it after the election. It's when you take powers from the UK, hand them to the EU, never ask the public, and are surprised when EU-scepticism rises. A flash of fire might be dramatic, but it's no hotter than slowly boiling a frog.
If the political class had taken more account of, or understood better, the people they presume to govern then this would've been headed off by a referendum on Lisbon.
Jon Trickett, the shadow Cabinet Office minister, said:
"It is a damning indictment of the sorry state of our country’s politics that, at a time when digital giants such as Facebook are rightly coming under public scrutiny, our former deputy prime minister has been hired to lobby on their behalf.
Labour is committed to slamming shut the revolving door between politics and big business, which for too long has corroded public trust in politics."
Quite right too. The People's Commissars will decide who gets what job, and of course moving to the US will be banned altogether.
This linked article is also pertinent:
https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/news-opinion/grooming-gangs-islamophobia-edl-robinson-15294888
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