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  • Clearly Clegg is readying himself for a 2024 Presidential run.

    /s

    Nick Clegg can win Texas.

    Texas is a lot like Yorkshire.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    rkrkrk said:

    Do you think Hilary Clinton was more liberal than Obama? And yet he crushed it in 2008 and 2012.

    Ultimately Clinton was a flawed candidate with too much baggage. She was misadvised in the campaign and didn't have a positive enough message.

    Obama wasn't running against Donald Trump.

    I agree with your second paragraph.

    The point I was making is very simple. The election will be decided in a few states, probably the usual ones: Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Michigan, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Wisconsin. If they want to win, the Dems need a clear focus on what policies, and which candidate, will appeal in those states, and especially to white 'middle-class' (in UK terms, working-class and white-van man) male voters in those states. Everyone else they need to win is already on board,
    That's simply not true, turnout amongst African Americans was badly, fatally, down on the Obama years.

    Dems have turnout problems and need a candidate who can motivate turnout across an incredibly heterogenous set of voter demographics.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited October 2018

    Top appointment.

    In the rejoin referendum there'll be no Russian interference and lots of pro EU content thanks to Nick.
    Not to mention KERCHINGG!!! for Nick.

    More sandals and gluten-free porridge than any LibDem can shake a stick* at.

    *from a sustainable forest.
  • Top appointment.

    In the rejoin referendum there'll be no Russian interference and lots of pro EU content thanks to Nick.
    I wonder if Facebook know that he wrote this:

    Because in a footloose, fancy-free world in which large multinational corporations can effectively pick and choose where they pay their taxes, huge questions of national sovereignty and fairness loom: if the big multinationals can minimise the tax they pay, who’s going to pay for the public services that their customers rely on?
    ...
    is it governments, working together, who retain the right to set the taxes that should be fairly paid? Or is it multinationals, capable of relocating for tax purposes from one place to the next, who set the pace?


    https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/nick-clegg-why-brexit-the-junior-doctors-and-apple-tax-are-all-connected-a3337086.html
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,206
    The Irish PM is now 'the vile Varadkar' according to DUP MP Sammy Wilson

    https://mobile.twitter.com/SJAMcBride/status/1053204058201309186
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,301

    Clearly Clegg is readying himself for a 2024 Presidential run.

    /s

    Nick Clegg can win Texas.

    Texas is a lot like Yorkshire.
    Sadly, even Trump could run a credible birther campaign against him, unless he can get Buckinghamshire recognised as the 51st State.

  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,301

    Top appointment.

    In the rejoin referendum there'll be no Russian interference and lots of pro EU content thanks to Nick.
    I wonder if Facebook know that he wrote this:

    Because in a footloose, fancy-free world in which large multinational corporations can effectively pick and choose where they pay their taxes, huge questions of national sovereignty and fairness loom: if the big multinationals can minimise the tax they pay, who’s going to pay for the public services that their customers rely on?
    ...
    is it governments, working together, who retain the right to set the taxes that should be fairly paid? Or is it multinationals, capable of relocating for tax purposes from one place to the next, who set the pace?


    https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/nick-clegg-why-brexit-the-junior-doctors-and-apple-tax-are-all-connected-a3337086.html
    I'm sure they knew about it, and they probably figured having him on the payroll was a nice way of curtailing such inconvenient thoughts...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,301
    HYUFD said:

    The Irish PM is now 'the vile Varadkar' according to DUP MP Sammy Wilson

    https://mobile.twitter.com/SJAMcBride/status/1053204058201309186

    You'd think someone with a surname beginning with W would refrain from abusive alliteration, as it's liable to turn self-abusive...
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 4,239
    Nigelb said:

    Clearly Clegg is readying himself for a 2024 Presidential run.

    /s

    Nick Clegg can win Texas.

    Texas is a lot like Yorkshire.
    Sadly, even Trump could run a credible birther campaign against him, unless he can get Buckinghamshire recognised as the 51st State.

    I'm never quite sure how Trump got a free pass on that one given that he doesn't appear to be from the same planet, let alone the same country.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,206
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677
    Pulpstar said:
    The ME number quoted in the article means they specifically trying to ban .50 BMG chambered weapons but something like a .416 Barret would still be permitted. The OB would still be seriously outgunned by a .416 which is a man killer out to 2,000+m. The stated motivation for the legislation just doesn't add up. I
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    Scott_P said:
    Hasn't it been clearly established by the Bucanneers that car manufacturers know nothing about the car manufacturing business?

    the car manufacturers just need to believe in brexit that bit harder....
    Is brexit why German automobile manufacturers are talking about huge problems ahead, including shedding 300k jobs?

  • Coming across well on telly for an hour in 2010 has certainly paid off
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,206
    Chairman of Toyota warns of 'suspended production operations' and logistics problems and falling revenues from a No Deal Brexit

    https://mobile.twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1053242539468296192?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet
  • RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 4,679
    Floater said:

    Scott_P said:
    Hope Faisal checked his facts this time - he has made some howlers over brexit claims recently.
    Well I have no idea about Faisal's track record, but in this tweet at least he has found something that we would all do well to take notice of.

    "If no withdrawal agreement is reached and the transition period through December 2020 is consequently not implemented, corporate activities and consumers will be adversely affected by the impacts of suspended production activities resulting from failed just-in-time logistics operations, declines in revenue, and revised vehicle sales prices caused by spiralling logistics and production costs."

    That is pretty strong language for the head of a trade association to be using.
  • Coming across well on telly for an hour in 2010 has certainly paid off
    Five years as Deputy PM in a very good coalition probably helped more.
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 4,239

    Coming across well on telly for an hour in 2010 has certainly paid off
    To be fair, that's an hour longer than TM has so far managed.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,318
    Is May really going to be left to push us off a cliff come next March, as now seems inevitable? Is no-one going to intervene?

    On an unrelated note, I see that Anjem Choudary has been released today on licence, half-way through his sentence. And yet he has resolutely refused to go on any deradicalisation programmes. I would have thought, given what he was convicted for, going on one of those programmes should have been a condition for early release.

    Christ: our rulers really are useless!
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    I'll keep an eye out for him. Always wanted to ask about this AV thing...
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,206
    Varadkar says May has privately conceded to him the backstop cannot have a time limit

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Stone_SkyNews/status/1052969763532627969

    So it looks like she just needs to get it through Parliament and the Deal is done
  • Scott_P said:
    Rachel Whetstone might have something to say about that.
  • JohnRussellJohnRussell Posts: 297
    edited October 2018

    Coming across well on telly for an hour in 2010 has certainly paid off
    Five years as Deputy PM in a very good coalition probably helped more.
    Yes, my point is he only got that gig on the back of not being Gordon Brown or a Tory in the debates. He subsequently sold his voters out on Tuition Fees in 2011, was torn to shreds by Farage in the 2014 Euro debate, led his party electoral destruction in 2015, lost a referendum in 16, lost his seat in 17. A real sliding doors career.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,318

    Floater said:

    Scott_P said:
    Hope Faisal checked his facts this time - he has made some howlers over brexit claims recently.
    Well I have no idea about Faisal's track record, but in this tweet at least he has found something that we would all do well to take notice of.

    "If no withdrawal agreement is reached and the transition period through December 2020 is consequently not implemented, corporate activities and consumers will be adversely affected by the impacts of suspended production activities resulting from failed just-in-time logistics operations, declines in revenue, and revised vehicle sales prices caused by spiralling logistics and production costs."

    That is pretty strong language for the head of a trade association to be using.
    Well, he probably feels it necessary to get it across to the dunderheads in government.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,752
    The rise of the Greens in Germany is astonishing. (Note the shadowed bars are the previous election result, not the previous poll.)

    image

  • Cyclefree said:

    Is May really going to be left to push us off a cliff come next March, as now seems inevitable? Is no-one going to intervene?

    On an unrelated note, I see that Anjem Choudary has been released today on licence, half-way through his sentence. And yet he has resolutely refused to go on any deradicalisation programmes. I would have thought, given what he was convicted for, going on one of those programmes should have been a condition for early release.

    Christ: our rulers really are useless!

    You forget that there's a lot of Leavers in the Tory party who prefer/want a no deal Brexit.

    Some of them think moving to WTO will be a great boost for the country.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,752
    Scott_P said:
    The fact that Steve Hilton will be insanely jealous is a nice bonus for Clegg.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,318
    HYUFD said:

    Varadkar says May has privately conceded to him the backstop cannot have a time limit

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Stone_SkyNews/status/1052969763532627969

    So it looks like she just needs to get it through Parliament and the Deal is done

    I am getting the impression that May says whatever she thinks people want to hear or what will get her through the next half-hour, crisis, meeting or whatever. No wonder the EU, her own MPs and the DUP no longer trust her.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176

    The rise of the Greens in Germany is astonishing. (Note the shadowed bars are the previous election result, not the previous poll.)

    image

    Crossover by Christmas?
  • Cyclefree said:

    Is May really going to be left to push us off a cliff come next March, as now seems inevitable? Is no-one going to intervene?

    On an unrelated note, I see that Anjem Choudary has been released today on licence, half-way through his sentence. And yet he has resolutely refused to go on any deradicalisation programmes. I would have thought, given what he was convicted for, going on one of those programmes should have been a condition for early release.

    Christ: our rulers really are useless!

    His son attends a state academy in inner London, not a religious school but 100% Muslim, the UN have contacted them to warn it is a radicalisation hotspot...
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,301

    rkrkrk said:

    Do you think Hilary Clinton was more liberal than Obama? And yet he crushed it in 2008 and 2012.

    Ultimately Clinton was a flawed candidate with too much baggage. She was misadvised in the campaign and didn't have a positive enough message.

    Obama wasn't running against Donald Trump.

    I agree with your second paragraph.

    The point I was making is very simple. The election will be decided in a few states, probably the usual ones: Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Michigan, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Wisconsin. If they want to win, the Dems need a clear focus on what policies, and which candidate, will appeal in those states, and especially to white 'middle-class' (in UK terms, working-class and white-van man) male voters in those states. Everyone else they need to win is already on board,
    Just another point on 2016 battleground states...
    Trump won Ohio and Iowa by around 9 points, but won Arizona by 4 points and Georgia by 5 points. The map is shifting.
  • Coming across well on telly for an hour in 2010 has certainly paid off
    Five years as Deputy PM in a very good coalition probably helped more.
    Yes, my point is he only got that gig on the back of not being Gordon Brown or a Tory in the debates. He subsequently sold his voters out on Tuition Fees in 2011, was torn to shreds by Farage in the 2014 Euro debate, led his party electoral destruction in 2015, lost a referendum in 16, lost his seat in 17. A real sliding doors career.
    Yet there's polling out there that says the voters would take the coalition right now.

    Lots of politicians have successful careers outside their homeland.

    Clegg's gone to America, Enoch Powell went to Northern Ireland after being proven wrong about the black man having the whip hand over the English.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,206

    The rise of the Greens in Germany is astonishing. (Note the shadowed bars are the previous election result, not the previous poll.)

    image

    The shift mainly SPD to Green.

    SPD now trail Greens and AfD
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,814
    Mr. HYUFD, no time limit makes it worse than EU membership. We can't leave without their consent, we have to abide by EU rules, and concede to regulatory annexation of UK territory to appease a foreign power.

    Capitulation, as predicted. We'll see whether the DUP/Conservative front- and backbenchers who stopped the nonsense before can do so again.

    Worth recalling that Richard II was brought low by a coalition but managed to reduce it over time, establishing a new tyranny that would've endured had he not let Henry Bolingbroke slip his grasp.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,206
    Cyclefree said:

    Floater said:

    Scott_P said:
    Hope Faisal checked his facts this time - he has made some howlers over brexit claims recently.
    Well I have no idea about Faisal's track record, but in this tweet at least he has found something that we would all do well to take notice of.

    "If no withdrawal agreement is reached and the transition period through December 2020 is consequently not implemented, corporate activities and consumers will be adversely affected by the impacts of suspended production activities resulting from failed just-in-time logistics operations, declines in revenue, and revised vehicle sales prices caused by spiralling logistics and production costs."

    That is pretty strong language for the head of a trade association to be using.
    Well, he probably feels it necessary to get it across to the dunderheads in government.
    Hopefully Archer might take note
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    This really is the darkest timeline.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,318

    Cyclefree said:

    Is May really going to be left to push us off a cliff come next March, as now seems inevitable? Is no-one going to intervene?

    On an unrelated note, I see that Anjem Choudary has been released today on licence, half-way through his sentence. And yet he has resolutely refused to go on any deradicalisation programmes. I would have thought, given what he was convicted for, going on one of those programmes should have been a condition for early release.

    Christ: our rulers really are useless!

    You forget that there's a lot of Leavers in the Tory party who prefer/want a no deal Brexit.

    Some of them think moving to WTO will be a great boost for the country.
    By “great boost” presumably they mean that there will be a great boost in the number of newspaper articles describing how Britain has cut itself off without any sort of deal or agreement on stuff like the import of food, medecines and the like, queues outside supermarkets, banks etc...? That sort of boost?
  • Coming across well on telly for an hour in 2010 has certainly paid off
    Five years as Deputy PM in a very good coalition probably helped more.
    Yes, my point is he only got that gig on the back of not being Gordon Brown or a Tory in the debates. He subsequently sold his voters out on Tuition Fees in 2011, was torn to shreds by Farage in the 2014 Euro debate, led his party electoral destruction in 2015, lost a referendum in 16, lost his seat in 17. A real sliding doors career.
    Yet there's polling out there that says the voters would take the coalition right now.

    Lots of politicians have successful careers outside their homeland.

    Clegg's gone to America, Enoch Powell went to Northern Ireland after being proven wrong about the black man having the whip hand over the English.
    The point I am making is that he only got the job of Deputy PM via a sliding doors moment, and thereafter was an abject failure.

    Do you think Enoch Powell considered Northern Ireland a foreign country?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,752
    Haha.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45911710

    The foreign secretary said the "great strength" of other EU nations was that they had stayed united in the talks - and he urged Tories to do the same.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,773

    The rise of the Greens in Germany is astonishing. (Note the shadowed bars are the previous election result, not the previous poll.)

    image

    More a sign of the hollowing out of the centre. Both the 'establisment' parties are losing hugely out.

    The same would have happened in the UK if we didn't have FPTP
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,413
    Scott_P said:
    poor Dave is persona non grata with international eleite
  • Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Is May really going to be left to push us off a cliff come next March, as now seems inevitable? Is no-one going to intervene?

    On an unrelated note, I see that Anjem Choudary has been released today on licence, half-way through his sentence. And yet he has resolutely refused to go on any deradicalisation programmes. I would have thought, given what he was convicted for, going on one of those programmes should have been a condition for early release.

    Christ: our rulers really are useless!

    You forget that there's a lot of Leavers in the Tory party who prefer/want a no deal Brexit.

    Some of them think moving to WTO will be a great boost for the country.
    By “great boost” presumably they mean that there will be a great boost in the number of newspaper articles describing how Britain has cut itself off without any sort of deal or agreement on stuff like the import of food, medecines and the like, queues outside supermarkets, banks etc...? That sort of boost?
    Great economic boost.

    I'm really looking forward to the Brexit equivalent of the Chilcot Report.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,413

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Is May really going to be left to push us off a cliff come next March, as now seems inevitable? Is no-one going to intervene?

    On an unrelated note, I see that Anjem Choudary has been released today on licence, half-way through his sentence. And yet he has resolutely refused to go on any deradicalisation programmes. I would have thought, given what he was convicted for, going on one of those programmes should have been a condition for early release.

    Christ: our rulers really are useless!

    You forget that there's a lot of Leavers in the Tory party who prefer/want a no deal Brexit.

    Some of them think moving to WTO will be a great boost for the country.
    By “great boost” presumably they mean that there will be a great boost in the number of newspaper articles describing how Britain has cut itself off without any sort of deal or agreement on stuff like the import of food, medecines and the like, queues outside supermarkets, banks etc...? That sort of boost?
    Great economic boost.

    I'm really looking forward to the Brexit equivalent of the Chilcot Report.
    you;ll be dead before its published
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 4,239
    Clegg as consigliere to President Zuckerberg, 2024?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    HYUFD said:

    Varadkar says May has privately conceded to him the backstop cannot have a time limit

    A man who reveals the contents of a private conversation is to be trusted is he?

    Leo is getting desperate.....
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143

    The rise of the Greens in Germany is astonishing. (Note the shadowed bars are the previous election result, not the previous poll.)

    image

    More a sign of the hollowing out of the centre. Both the 'establisment' parties are losing hugely out.

    The same would have happened in the UK if we didn't have FPTP
    The same was happening in the UK, despite FPTP, until both main parties abandoned the centre ground.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,814
    Mr. P, very much not the case.

    If the far left gain power (or the far right, but that's a more distant prospect) then that may change.
  • Coming across well on telly for an hour in 2010 has certainly paid off
    Five years as Deputy PM in a very good coalition probably helped more.
    Yes, my point is he only got that gig on the back of not being Gordon Brown or a Tory in the debates. He subsequently sold his voters out on Tuition Fees in 2011, was torn to shreds by Farage in the 2014 Euro debate, led his party electoral destruction in 2015, lost a referendum in 16, lost his seat in 17. A real sliding doors career.
    Yet there's polling out there that says the voters would take the coalition right now.

    Lots of politicians have successful careers outside their homeland.

    Clegg's gone to America, Enoch Powell went to Northern Ireland after being proven wrong about the black man having the whip hand over the English.
    The point I am making is that he only got the job of Deputy PM via a sliding doors moment, and thereafter was an abject failure.

    Do you think Enoch Powell considered Northern Ireland a foreign country?
    That's not what I said.

    As a Brummie with Welsh roots moving out of England and Great Britain to live in Northern Ireland is moving outside his homeland.

    Another Powell Clegg comparison, both were eventually rejected by their voters.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,206

    Mr. HYUFD, no time limit makes it worse than EU membership. We can't leave without their consent, we have to abide by EU rules, and concede to regulatory annexation of UK territory to appease a foreign power.

    Capitulation, as predicted. We'll see whether the DUP/Conservative front- and backbenchers who stopped the nonsense before can do so again.

    Worth recalling that Richard II was brought low by a coalition but managed to reduce it over time, establishing a new tyranny that would've endured had he not let Henry Bolingbroke slip his grasp.

    The DUP and ERG will oppose it but Starmer made clear on QT last night Labour will back an untime limited backstop to protect the Good Friday Agreement, the LDs and SNP and Lucas will also back it so it should pass the Commons and Lords and we move to the Withdrawal Agreement and Transition Period.

    The ERG will likely force a No Confidence vote in May, probably over 100 Tory MPs will vote against her but I think she will survive. Leadsom, McVey and Mourdaunt will all resign from the Cabinet most likely joining Boris and Davis and Patel as ex Cabinet Leavers on the backbencher leading opposition to May. The DUP will also still back the Tories on a No Confidence vote given McDonnell' s backing for a United Ireland this week.
  • Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Is May really going to be left to push us off a cliff come next March, as now seems inevitable? Is no-one going to intervene?

    On an unrelated note, I see that Anjem Choudary has been released today on licence, half-way through his sentence. And yet he has resolutely refused to go on any deradicalisation programmes. I would have thought, given what he was convicted for, going on one of those programmes should have been a condition for early release.

    Christ: our rulers really are useless!

    You forget that there's a lot of Leavers in the Tory party who prefer/want a no deal Brexit.

    Some of them think moving to WTO will be a great boost for the country.
    By “great boost” presumably they mean that there will be a great boost in the number of newspaper articles describing how Britain has cut itself off without any sort of deal or agreement on stuff like the import of food, medecines and the like, queues outside supermarkets, banks etc...? That sort of boost?
    Great economic boost.

    I'm really looking forward to the Brexit equivalent of the Chilcot Report.
    you;ll be dead before its published
    I'm hoping to get a job on it.

    Done something I've never done before.

    Handed in my notice this morning without a job lined up.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Scott_P said:

    This really is the darkest timeline.

    Seriously?

    I can remember 3 day weeks and rolling black outs with TV shutting down at 7pm.
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    SeanT said:

    This is fun, isn't it?

    Beats arguing about pasties.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Is May really going to be left to push us off a cliff come next March, as now seems inevitable? Is no-one going to intervene?

    On an unrelated note, I see that Anjem Choudary has been released today on licence, half-way through his sentence. And yet he has resolutely refused to go on any deradicalisation programmes. I would have thought, given what he was convicted for, going on one of those programmes should have been a condition for early release.

    Christ: our rulers really are useless!

    You forget that there's a lot of Leavers in the Tory party who prefer/want a no deal Brexit.

    Some of them think moving to WTO will be a great boost for the country.
    By “great boost” presumably they mean that there will be a great boost in the number of newspaper articles describing how Britain has cut itself off without any sort of deal or agreement on stuff like the import of food, medecines and the like, queues outside supermarkets, banks etc...? That sort of boost?
    Great economic boost.

    I'm really looking forward to the Brexit equivalent of the Chilcot Report.
    you;ll be dead before its published
    Handed in my notice this morning without a job lined up.
    What prompted that, if its not too personal a question?
  • Scott_P said:
    poor Dave is persona non grata with international eleite
    He's not.

    He was in San Francisco the other day.

    https://twitter.com/David_Cameron/status/1050049445583364101
  • JohnRussellJohnRussell Posts: 297
    edited October 2018

    Coming across well on telly for an hour in 2010 has certainly paid off
    Five years as Deputy PM in a very good coalition probably helped more.
    Yes, my point is he only got that gig on the back of not being Gordon Brown or a Tory in the debates. He subsequently sold his voters out on Tuition Fees in 2011, was torn to shreds by Farage in the 2014 Euro debate, led his party electoral destruction in 2015, lost a referendum in 16, lost his seat in 17. A real sliding doors career.
    Yet there's polling out there that says the voters would take the coalition right now.

    Lots of politicians have successful careers outside their homeland.

    Clegg's gone to America, Enoch Powell went to Northern Ireland after being proven wrong about the black man having the whip hand over the English.
    The point I am making is that he only got the job of Deputy PM via a sliding doors moment, and thereafter was an abject failure.

    Do you think Enoch Powell considered Northern Ireland a foreign country?
    That's not what I said.

    As a Brummie with Welsh roots moving out of England and Great Britain to live in Northern Ireland is moving outside his homeland.

    Another Powell Clegg comparison, both were eventually rejected by their voters.
    Whatever you say.

    Nothing to do with the point I am making, however, that Clegg has built a whole career (of failure after failure) on an hours decent tv coverage.
  • Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Is May really going to be left to push us off a cliff come next March, as now seems inevitable? Is no-one going to intervene?

    On an unrelated note, I see that Anjem Choudary has been released today on licence, half-way through his sentence. And yet he has resolutely refused to go on any deradicalisation programmes. I would have thought, given what he was convicted for, going on one of those programmes should have been a condition for early release.

    Christ: our rulers really are useless!

    You forget that there's a lot of Leavers in the Tory party who prefer/want a no deal Brexit.

    Some of them think moving to WTO will be a great boost for the country.
    By “great boost” presumably they mean that there will be a great boost in the number of newspaper articles describing how Britain has cut itself off without any sort of deal or agreement on stuff like the import of food, medecines and the like, queues outside supermarkets, banks etc...? That sort of boost?
    Great economic boost.

    I'm really looking forward to the Brexit equivalent of the Chilcot Report.
    you;ll be dead before its published
    Handed in my notice this morning without a job lined up.
    What prompted that, if its not too personal a question?
    The thought of spending most of next year and 2020 without seeing my kids on a daily basis was making me ill.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992

    Cyclefree said:

    Is May really going to be left to push us off a cliff come next March, as now seems inevitable? Is no-one going to intervene?

    On an unrelated note, I see that Anjem Choudary has been released today on licence, half-way through his sentence. And yet he has resolutely refused to go on any deradicalisation programmes. I would have thought, given what he was convicted for, going on one of those programmes should have been a condition for early release.

    Christ: our rulers really are useless!

    You forget that there's a lot of Leavers in the Tory party who prefer/want a no deal Brexit.

    Some of them think moving to WTO will be a great boost for the country.
    Yes. They can't wait to fall under the auspices of a supra-national organisation setting the rules for its members' trading.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,413

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Is May really going to be left to push us off a cliff come next March, as now seems inevitable? Is no-one going to intervene?

    On an unrelated note, I see that Anjem Choudary has been released today on licence, half-way through his sentence. And yet he has resolutely refused to go on any deradicalisation programmes. I would have thought, given what he was convicted for, going on one of those programmes should have been a condition for early release.

    Christ: our rulers really are useless!

    You forget that there's a lot of Leavers in the Tory party who prefer/want a no deal Brexit.

    Some of them think moving to WTO will be a great boost for the country.
    By “great boost” presumably they mean that there will be a great boost in the number of newspaper articles describing how Britain has cut itself off without any sort of deal or agreement on stuff like the import of food, medecines and the like, queues outside supermarkets, banks etc...? That sort of boost?
    Great economic boost.

    I'm really looking forward to the Brexit equivalent of the Chilcot Report.
    you;ll be dead before its published
    I'm hoping to get a job on it.

    Done something I've never done before.

    Handed in my notice this morning without a job lined up.
    Wow brave move !

    was it the prospect of Frankfurt ?

    in any event wish you all the best in getting a new job quickly
  • RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 4,679
    Anorak said:
    You know that 'in an alternative universe somewhere x has happened' trope. I think we are in that alternative universe.
  • Wow brave move !

    was it the prospect of Frankfurt ?

    in any event wish you all the best in getting a new job quickly

    Thanks.

    Was looking at my 2019 schedule and realised money isn't everything. I'd rather earn a little bit less and spend more time with the family.

    I'm hoping to get a job with a UK based financial institution so I can spend the next 6 months on gardening leave.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,220

    Anorak said:
    You know that 'in an alternative universe somewhere x has happened' trope. I think we are in that alternative universe.
    Somewhere out there the alternate universe theory is being ruled out with Trump's presidency as a theoretical example of what could happen.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,413
    edited October 2018

    HYUFD said:

    Varadkar says May has privately conceded to him the backstop cannot have a time limit

    A man who reveals the contents of a private conversation is to be trusted is he?

    Leo is getting desperate.....
    It's not often I agree with Sammy Wilson but he has a point.

    "First of all he knows just how some of the republican madmen in NI will react to the false fears he is stirring up about barriers along the border. Indeed he knows that they will use them to influence stupid and easily led young people to join their ranks"

    the only people stirring up the prospects of violence are Varadkar and Coveney
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,752

    HYUFD said:

    Varadkar says May has privately conceded to him the backstop cannot have a time limit

    A man who reveals the contents of a private conversation is to be trusted is he?

    Leo is getting desperate.....
    It's not often I agree with Sammy Wilson but he has a point.

    "First of all he knows just how some of the republican madmen in NI will react to the false fears he is stirring up about barriers along the border. Indeed he knows that they will use them to influence stupid and easily led young people to join their ranks"

    the only people stirring up the prospects of violence are Varadkar and Coveney
    And Boris Johnson.

    http://uk.businessinsider.com/leaked-boris-johnson-letter-brexit-hard-irish-border-2018-2/
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,301
    edited October 2018

    Wow brave move !

    was it the prospect of Frankfurt ?

    in any event wish you all the best in getting a new job quickly

    Thanks.

    Was looking at my 2019 schedule and realised money isn't everything. I'd rather earn a little bit less and spend more time with the family.

    I'm hoping to get a job with a UK based financial institution so I can spend the next 6 months on gardening leave.
    Good for you!

    Perhaps a future thread on universal credit and how it affects work incentives of those returning to finance?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,892

    Wow brave move !

    was it the prospect of Frankfurt ?

    in any event wish you all the best in getting a new job quickly

    Thanks.

    Was looking at my 2019 schedule and realised money isn't everything. I'd rather earn a little bit less and spend more time with the family.

    I'm hoping to get a job with a UK based financial institution so I can spend the next 6 months on gardening leave.
    Should you not have waited until the start of the world cup for your gardening leave?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Is May really going to be left to push us off a cliff come next March, as now seems inevitable? Is no-one going to intervene?

    On an unrelated note, I see that Anjem Choudary has been released today on licence, half-way through his sentence. And yet he has resolutely refused to go on any deradicalisation programmes. I would have thought, given what he was convicted for, going on one of those programmes should have been a condition for early release.

    Christ: our rulers really are useless!

    You forget that there's a lot of Leavers in the Tory party who prefer/want a no deal Brexit.

    Some of them think moving to WTO will be a great boost for the country.
    By “great boost” presumably they mean that there will be a great boost in the number of newspaper articles describing how Britain has cut itself off without any sort of deal or agreement on stuff like the import of food, medecines and the like, queues outside supermarkets, banks etc...? That sort of boost?
    Great economic boost.

    I'm really looking forward to the Brexit equivalent of the Chilcot Report.
    you;ll be dead before its published
    Handed in my notice this morning without a job lined up.
    What prompted that, if its not too personal a question?
    The thought of spending most of next year and 2020 without seeing my kids on a daily basis was making me ill.
    Hope you find something soon. V good decision.
  • Mr. HYUFD, no time limit makes it worse than EU membership. We can't leave without their consent, we have to abide by EU rules, and concede to regulatory annexation of UK territory to appease a foreign power.

    Capitulation, as predicted. We'll see whether the DUP/Conservative front- and backbenchers who stopped the nonsense before can do so again.

    Worth recalling that Richard II was brought low by a coalition but managed to reduce it over time, establishing a new tyranny that would've endured had he not let Henry Bolingbroke slip his grasp.

    Mr Dancer, though I think it is likely you voted differently to me in the referendum, I always respect your thoughtful posts, which though sometimes I disagree with, are often insightful. Do you think now might be the time for the more thoughtful of Leavers to be asking whether the self-inflicted national humiliation that we are experiencing, and will continue to experience, is worth it?
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,413

    HYUFD said:

    Varadkar says May has privately conceded to him the backstop cannot have a time limit

    A man who reveals the contents of a private conversation is to be trusted is he?

    Leo is getting desperate.....
    It's not often I agree with Sammy Wilson but he has a point.

    "First of all he knows just how some of the republican madmen in NI will react to the false fears he is stirring up about barriers along the border. Indeed he knows that they will use them to influence stupid and easily led young people to join their ranks"

    the only people stirring up the prospects of violence are Varadkar and Coveney
    And Boris Johnson.

    http://uk.businessinsider.com/leaked-boris-johnson-letter-brexit-hard-irish-border-2018-2/
    Ones a PM the other isnt go figure
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936

    HYUFD said:

    Varadkar says May has privately conceded to him the backstop cannot have a time limit

    A man who reveals the contents of a private conversation is to be trusted is he?

    Leo is getting desperate.....
    It's not often I agree with Sammy Wilson but he has a point.

    "First of all he knows just how some of the republican madmen in NI will react to the false fears he is stirring up about barriers along the border. Indeed he knows that they will use them to influence stupid and easily led young people to join their ranks"

    the only people stirring up the prospects of violence are Varadkar and Coveney
    And Boris Johnson.

    http://uk.businessinsider.com/leaked-boris-johnson-letter-brexit-hard-irish-border-2018-2/
    Where's the stirring up of the prospects of violence? Or does any border automatically mean violence these days?
  • DavidL said:

    Wow brave move !

    was it the prospect of Frankfurt ?

    in any event wish you all the best in getting a new job quickly

    Thanks.

    Was looking at my 2019 schedule and realised money isn't everything. I'd rather earn a little bit less and spend more time with the family.

    I'm hoping to get a job with a UK based financial institution so I can spend the next 6 months on gardening leave.
    Should you not have waited until the start of the world cup for your gardening leave?
    This is the only way I can get to be in England during for most of the world cup.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,752
    RobD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Varadkar says May has privately conceded to him the backstop cannot have a time limit

    A man who reveals the contents of a private conversation is to be trusted is he?

    Leo is getting desperate.....
    It's not often I agree with Sammy Wilson but he has a point.

    "First of all he knows just how some of the republican madmen in NI will react to the false fears he is stirring up about barriers along the border. Indeed he knows that they will use them to influence stupid and easily led young people to join their ranks"

    the only people stirring up the prospects of violence are Varadkar and Coveney
    And Boris Johnson.

    http://uk.businessinsider.com/leaked-boris-johnson-letter-brexit-hard-irish-border-2018-2/
    Where's the stirring up of the prospects of violence? Or does any border automatically mean violence these days?
    That's Wilson's argument. He says that Varadkar "knows just how some of the Republican madmen will react to the false fears he is stirring up about barriers along the border".
  • Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Is May really going to be left to push us off a cliff come next March, as now seems inevitable? Is no-one going to intervene?

    On an unrelated note, I see that Anjem Choudary has been released today on licence, half-way through his sentence. And yet he has resolutely refused to go on any deradicalisation programmes. I would have thought, given what he was convicted for, going on one of those programmes should have been a condition for early release.

    Christ: our rulers really are useless!

    You forget that there's a lot of Leavers in the Tory party who prefer/want a no deal Brexit.

    Some of them think moving to WTO will be a great boost for the country.
    By “great boost” presumably they mean that there will be a great boost in the number of newspaper articles describing how Britain has cut itself off without any sort of deal or agreement on stuff like the import of food, medecines and the like, queues outside supermarkets, banks etc...? That sort of boost?
    Great economic boost.

    I'm really looking forward to the Brexit equivalent of the Chilcot Report.
    you;ll be dead before its published
    I'm hoping to get a job on it.

    Done something I've never done before.

    Handed in my notice this morning without a job lined up.
    If we get a Labour government I suspect it will be one of the first things they will initiate. It would be a great diversion from there own extraordinary incompetence. Each time any Conservative tries to say "You are screwing up the economy", Labour will just reply "Brexit". It will be an albatross of much greater weight and wingspan than Black Wednesday ever was
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,892

    What say you lads (and any lasses that may be lurking), acceptable or unacceptable face of capitalism? Since the face tried to slither off camera asap, he apparently may have a view on that himself.

    https://twitter.com/spencerstokestv/status/1052981336288432128

    So basically the interview was supposed to be about something else and the interviewer raises the bonus, end of interview.

    Well, can't blame him for trying I suppose and a story about bricks would obviously hold limited interest. Stepping back a bit this seems to be a matter between the Persimmon shareholders and their chief exec. If they are happy what's it got to do with us?
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    The DUP join a meeting between the EU and the UK Gov. They take no shit.
    https://twitter.com/Peacharu_/status/1053039011307155456
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,413
    DavidL said:

    What say you lads (and any lasses that may be lurking), acceptable or unacceptable face of capitalism? Since the face tried to slither off camera asap, he apparently may have a view on that himself.

    https://twitter.com/spencerstokestv/status/1052981336288432128

    So basically the interview was supposed to be about something else and the interviewer raises the bonus, end of interview.

    Well, can't blame him for trying I suppose and a story about bricks would obviously hold limited interest. Stepping back a bit this seems to be a matter between the Persimmon shareholders and their chief exec. If they are happy what's it got to do with us?
    Persimmon are one of the major beneficiaries of Osbornes lending scheme. Public money is boosting his remuneration.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176

    DavidL said:

    What say you lads (and any lasses that may be lurking), acceptable or unacceptable face of capitalism? Since the face tried to slither off camera asap, he apparently may have a view on that himself.

    https://twitter.com/spencerstokestv/status/1052981336288432128

    So basically the interview was supposed to be about something else and the interviewer raises the bonus, end of interview.

    Well, can't blame him for trying I suppose and a story about bricks would obviously hold limited interest. Stepping back a bit this seems to be a matter between the Persimmon shareholders and their chief exec. If they are happy what's it got to do with us?
    Persimmon are one of the major beneficiaries of Osbornes lending scheme. Public money is boosting his remuneration.
    Agreed, but you can't blame them for taking the cash. The problem with this is that Labour can't really attack it because the Tories would just say "Labour don't care about building houses" etc.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936

    RobD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Varadkar says May has privately conceded to him the backstop cannot have a time limit

    A man who reveals the contents of a private conversation is to be trusted is he?

    Leo is getting desperate.....
    It's not often I agree with Sammy Wilson but he has a point.

    "First of all he knows just how some of the republican madmen in NI will react to the false fears he is stirring up about barriers along the border. Indeed he knows that they will use them to influence stupid and easily led young people to join their ranks"

    the only people stirring up the prospects of violence are Varadkar and Coveney
    And Boris Johnson.

    http://uk.businessinsider.com/leaked-boris-johnson-letter-brexit-hard-irish-border-2018-2/
    Where's the stirring up of the prospects of violence? Or does any border automatically mean violence these days?
    That's Wilson's argument. He says that Varadkar "knows just how some of the Republican madmen will react to the false fears he is stirring up about barriers along the border".
    Didn’t he literally tell an EU council meeting that a border would mean violence?
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,413
    tlg86 said:

    DavidL said:

    What say you lads (and any lasses that may be lurking), acceptable or unacceptable face of capitalism? Since the face tried to slither off camera asap, he apparently may have a view on that himself.

    https://twitter.com/spencerstokestv/status/1052981336288432128

    So basically the interview was supposed to be about something else and the interviewer raises the bonus, end of interview.

    Well, can't blame him for trying I suppose and a story about bricks would obviously hold limited interest. Stepping back a bit this seems to be a matter between the Persimmon shareholders and their chief exec. If they are happy what's it got to do with us?
    Persimmon are one of the major beneficiaries of Osbornes lending scheme. Public money is boosting his remuneration.
    Agreed, but you can't blame them for taking the cash. The problem with this is that Labour can't really attack it because the Tories would just say "Labour don't care about building houses" etc.
    I can blame his shareholders. Nonsense like this is discrediting capitalism, idiots like this are the route to a Corbyn government.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,914
    RobD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Varadkar says May has privately conceded to him the backstop cannot have a time limit

    A man who reveals the contents of a private conversation is to be trusted is he?

    Leo is getting desperate.....
    It's not often I agree with Sammy Wilson but he has a point.

    "First of all he knows just how some of the republican madmen in NI will react to the false fears he is stirring up about barriers along the border. Indeed he knows that they will use them to influence stupid and easily led young people to join their ranks"

    the only people stirring up the prospects of violence are Varadkar and Coveney
    And Boris Johnson.

    http://uk.businessinsider.com/leaked-boris-johnson-letter-brexit-hard-irish-border-2018-2/
    Where's the stirring up of the prospects of violence? Or does any border automatically mean violence these days?
    I think the point you're missing is that the Good Friday Agreement which brought the violence (almost) to an end, was made easier by the fact that Eire and the UK were both in the EU.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,752
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Varadkar says May has privately conceded to him the backstop cannot have a time limit

    A man who reveals the contents of a private conversation is to be trusted is he?

    Leo is getting desperate.....
    It's not often I agree with Sammy Wilson but he has a point.

    "First of all he knows just how some of the republican madmen in NI will react to the false fears he is stirring up about barriers along the border. Indeed he knows that they will use them to influence stupid and easily led young people to join their ranks"

    the only people stirring up the prospects of violence are Varadkar and Coveney
    And Boris Johnson.

    http://uk.businessinsider.com/leaked-boris-johnson-letter-brexit-hard-irish-border-2018-2/
    Where's the stirring up of the prospects of violence? Or does any border automatically mean violence these days?
    That's Wilson's argument. He says that Varadkar "knows just how some of the Republican madmen will react to the false fears he is stirring up about barriers along the border".
    Didn’t he literally tell an EU council meeting that a border would mean violence?
    Wilson is saying it will too but he's using that argument to say that everyone should just ignore the problem.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,413

    RobD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Varadkar says May has privately conceded to him the backstop cannot have a time limit

    A man who reveals the contents of a private conversation is to be trusted is he?

    Leo is getting desperate.....
    It's not often I agree with Sammy Wilson but he has a point.

    "First of all he knows just how some of the republican madmen in NI will react to the false fears he is stirring up about barriers along the border. Indeed he knows that they will use them to influence stupid and easily led young people to join their ranks"

    the only people stirring up the prospects of violence are Varadkar and Coveney
    And Boris Johnson.

    http://uk.businessinsider.com/leaked-boris-johnson-letter-brexit-hard-irish-border-2018-2/
    Where's the stirring up of the prospects of violence? Or does any border automatically mean violence these days?
    I think the point you're missing is that the Good Friday Agreement which brought the violence (almost) to an end, was made easier by the fact that Eire and the UK were both in the EU.
    no it was made because the IRA had lost the will to continue, Easier borders were simply an issue to help de escalate tensions. The EU had very little to do with it.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,206

    Wow brave move !

    was it the prospect of Frankfurt ?

    in any event wish you all the best in getting a new job quickly

    Thanks.

    Was looking at my 2019 schedule and realised money isn't everything. I'd rather earn a little bit less and spend more time with the family.

    I'm hoping to get a job with a UK based financial institution so I can spend the next 6 months on gardening leave.
    Better get behind May for that Deal then!
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936

    RobD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Varadkar says May has privately conceded to him the backstop cannot have a time limit

    A man who reveals the contents of a private conversation is to be trusted is he?

    Leo is getting desperate.....
    It's not often I agree with Sammy Wilson but he has a point.

    "First of all he knows just how some of the republican madmen in NI will react to the false fears he is stirring up about barriers along the border. Indeed he knows that they will use them to influence stupid and easily led young people to join their ranks"

    the only people stirring up the prospects of violence are Varadkar and Coveney
    And Boris Johnson.

    http://uk.businessinsider.com/leaked-boris-johnson-letter-brexit-hard-irish-border-2018-2/
    Where's the stirring up of the prospects of violence? Or does any border automatically mean violence these days?
    I think the point you're missing is that the Good Friday Agreement which brought the violence (almost) to an end, was made easier by the fact that Eire and the UK were both in the EU.
    The EU is the only thing holding NI back from more bloodshed? OK.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,413

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Varadkar says May has privately conceded to him the backstop cannot have a time limit

    A man who reveals the contents of a private conversation is to be trusted is he?

    Leo is getting desperate.....
    It's not often I agree with Sammy Wilson but he has a point.

    "First of all he knows just how some of the republican madmen in NI will react to the false fears he is stirring up about barriers along the border. Indeed he knows that they will use them to influence stupid and easily led young people to join their ranks"

    the only people stirring up the prospects of violence are Varadkar and Coveney
    And Boris Johnson.

    http://uk.businessinsider.com/leaked-boris-johnson-letter-brexit-hard-irish-border-2018-2/
    Where's the stirring up of the prospects of violence? Or does any border automatically mean violence these days?
    That's Wilson's argument. He says that Varadkar "knows just how some of the Republican madmen will react to the false fears he is stirring up about barriers along the border".
    Didn’t he literally tell an EU council meeting that a border would mean violence?
    Wilson is saying it will too but he's using that argument to say that everyone should just ignore the problem.
    Now youre just talking nonsense.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,892

    DavidL said:

    Wow brave move !

    was it the prospect of Frankfurt ?

    in any event wish you all the best in getting a new job quickly

    Thanks.

    Was looking at my 2019 schedule and realised money isn't everything. I'd rather earn a little bit less and spend more time with the family.

    I'm hoping to get a job with a UK based financial institution so I can spend the next 6 months on gardening leave.
    Should you not have waited until the start of the world cup for your gardening leave?
    This is the only way I can get to be in England during for most of the world cup.
    Well I wish you every success. You're right of course, there are several things that are far more important than money and kids are one of them.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Is May really going to be left to push us off a cliff come next March, as now seems inevitable? Is no-one going to intervene?

    On an unrelated note, I see that Anjem Choudary has been released today on licence, half-way through his sentence. And yet he has resolutely refused to go on any deradicalisation programmes. I would have thought, given what he was convicted for, going on one of those programmes should have been a condition for early release.

    Christ: our rulers really are useless!

    You forget that there's a lot of Leavers in the Tory party who prefer/want a no deal Brexit.

    Some of them think moving to WTO will be a great boost for the country.
    By “great boost” presumably they mean that there will be a great boost in the number of newspaper articles describing how Britain has cut itself off without any sort of deal or agreement on stuff like the import of food, medecines and the like, queues outside supermarkets, banks etc...? That sort of boost?
    Great economic boost.

    I'm really looking forward to the Brexit equivalent of the Chilcot Report.
    you;ll be dead before its published
    Handed in my notice this morning without a job lined up.
    What prompted that, if its not too personal a question?
    The thought of spending most of next year and 2020 without seeing my kids on a daily basis was making me ill.
    Good call :+1:

    A job is just a job and I am sure you can find something else to do, but your kids are only kids for a little while. Looking back, childhood is over in a flash.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,206

    HYUFD said:

    Varadkar says May has privately conceded to him the backstop cannot have a time limit

    A man who reveals the contents of a private conversation is to be trusted is he?

    Leo is getting desperate.....
    Given May has capitulated on absolutely everything the EU have asked of her so far, hardly a surprise if she has capitulated on an untimelimited backstop for the Irish border either
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,914

    The rise of the Greens in Germany is astonishing. (Note the shadowed bars are the previous election result, not the previous poll.)

    image

    More a sign of the hollowing out of the centre. Both the 'establisment' parties are losing hugely out.

    The same would have happened in the UK if we didn't have FPTP
    Greens leapfrogging AFD and SPD.
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Varadkar says May has privately conceded to him the backstop cannot have a time limit

    A man who reveals the contents of a private conversation is to be trusted is he?

    Leo is getting desperate.....
    It's not often I agree with Sammy Wilson but he has a point.

    "First of all he knows just how some of the republican madmen in NI will react to the false fears he is stirring up about barriers along the border. Indeed he knows that they will use them to influence stupid and easily led young people to join their ranks"

    the only people stirring up the prospects of violence are Varadkar and Coveney
    And Boris Johnson.

    http://uk.businessinsider.com/leaked-boris-johnson-letter-brexit-hard-irish-border-2018-2/
    Where's the stirring up of the prospects of violence? Or does any border automatically mean violence these days?
    I think the point you're missing is that the Good Friday Agreement which brought the violence (almost) to an end, was made easier by the fact that Eire and the UK were both in the EU.
    The EU is the only thing holding NI back from more bloodshed? OK.
    It's also a floor wax and dessert topping.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992

    RobD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Varadkar says May has privately conceded to him the backstop cannot have a time limit

    A man who reveals the contents of a private conversation is to be trusted is he?

    Leo is getting desperate.....
    It's not often I agree with Sammy Wilson but he has a point.

    "First of all he knows just how some of the republican madmen in NI will react to the false fears he is stirring up about barriers along the border. Indeed he knows that they will use them to influence stupid and easily led young people to join their ranks"

    the only people stirring up the prospects of violence are Varadkar and Coveney
    And Boris Johnson.

    http://uk.businessinsider.com/leaked-boris-johnson-letter-brexit-hard-irish-border-2018-2/
    Where's the stirring up of the prospects of violence? Or does any border automatically mean violence these days?
    I think the point you're missing is that the Good Friday Agreement which brought the violence (almost) to an end, was made easier by the fact that Eire and the UK were both in the EU.
    no it was made because the IRA had lost the will to continue, Easier borders were simply an issue to help de escalate tensions. The EU had very little to do with it.
    The "IRA" might have.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,814
    Mr. Eagles, hope you find something new, and enjoyable, soon.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,892
    edited October 2018
    From the ONS report on borrowing this morning:

    "Receipts in September 2018 increased by 3.2% compared with September 2017, to £56.4 billion, while total expenditure increased by 2.8% to £59.4 billion.

    Much of the annual growth in receipts came from Value Added Tax (VAT), Income Tax and National Insurance contributions, while other taxes such as duties on both tobacco and Stamp Duty (on land and properties) have fallen marginally on September 2017."

    I mean, what is it going to take for us to rebase our growth figures? Its getting silly.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,220
    tlg86 said:

    DavidL said:

    What say you lads (and any lasses that may be lurking), acceptable or unacceptable face of capitalism? Since the face tried to slither off camera asap, he apparently may have a view on that himself.

    https://twitter.com/spencerstokestv/status/1052981336288432128

    So basically the interview was supposed to be about something else and the interviewer raises the bonus, end of interview.

    Well, can't blame him for trying I suppose and a story about bricks would obviously hold limited interest. Stepping back a bit this seems to be a matter between the Persimmon shareholders and their chief exec. If they are happy what's it got to do with us?
    Persimmon are one of the major beneficiaries of Osbornes lending scheme. Public money is boosting his remuneration.
    Agreed, but you can't blame them for taking the cash. The problem with this is that Labour can't really attack it because the Tories would just say "Labour don't care about building houses" etc.
    Persimmon can sell their dross for effectively above market value due to the Help to buy ;)
    I think they're also acknowledged as the worst of all the big housebuilders in terms of quality issues & lebensraum per person.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,677
    Eagles, you are now like a god to me. Well done. Good luck.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,413
    TOPPING said:

    RobD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Varadkar says May has privately conceded to him the backstop cannot have a time limit

    A man who reveals the contents of a private conversation is to be trusted is he?

    Leo is getting desperate.....
    It's not often I agree with Sammy Wilson but he has a point.

    "First of all he knows just how some of the republican madmen in NI will react to the false fears he is stirring up about barriers along the border. Indeed he knows that they will use them to influence stupid and easily led young people to join their ranks"

    the only people stirring up the prospects of violence are Varadkar and Coveney
    And Boris Johnson.

    http://uk.businessinsider.com/leaked-boris-johnson-letter-brexit-hard-irish-border-2018-2/
    Where's the stirring up of the prospects of violence? Or does any border automatically mean violence these days?
    I think the point you're missing is that the Good Friday Agreement which brought the violence (almost) to an end, was made easier by the fact that Eire and the UK were both in the EU.
    no it was made because the IRA had lost the will to continue, Easier borders were simply an issue to help de escalate tensions. The EU had very little to do with it.
    The "IRA" might have.
    well as I have said to you before the paddy posh boys are playing with fire and they will eventually get their fingers burned. The Irish government is made up of blokes in their thirties who think they can do no wrong. Older heads would tell them not to poke the sleeping dogs.
  • DavidL said:

    From the ONS report on borrowing this morning:

    "Receipts in September 2018 increased by 3.2% compared with September 2017, to £56.4 billion, while total expenditure increased by 2.8% to £59.4 billion.

    Much of the annual growth in receipts came from Value Added Tax (VAT), Income Tax and National Insurance contributions, while other taxes such as duties on both tobacco and Stamp Duty (on land and properties) have fallen marginally on September 2017."

    I mean, what is it going to take for us to rebase our growth figures? Its getting silly.

    VAT was a flow through. Not the others though
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Is May really going to be left to push us off a cliff come next March, as now seems inevitable? Is no-one going to intervene?

    On an unrelated note, I see that Anjem Choudary has been released today on licence, half-way through his sentence. And yet he has resolutely refused to go on any deradicalisation programmes. I would have thought, given what he was convicted for, going on one of those programmes should have been a condition for early release.

    Christ: our rulers really are useless!

    You forget that there's a lot of Leavers in the Tory party who prefer/want a no deal Brexit.

    Some of them think moving to WTO will be a great boost for the country.
    By “great boost” presumably they mean that there will be a great boost in the number of newspaper articles describing how Britain has cut itself off without any sort of deal or agreement on stuff like the import of food, medecines and the like, queues outside supermarkets, banks etc...? That sort of boost?
    Great economic boost.

    I'm really looking forward to the Brexit equivalent of the Chilcot Report.
    you;ll be dead before its published
    I'm hoping to get a job on it.

    Done something I've never done before.

    Handed in my notice this morning without a job lined up.
    Blimey. Congrats, I think.
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