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If you’re a lurker, why not delurk, you can even talk about whether England will be playing in the likes of Rio next summer, hopefully England’s world cup chances won’t crumble like the Carthaginians at Zama or Starfleet at Wolf 359 tonight.  If you have The Reflex not to post, ignore it tonight, you won’t become Notorious if you delurk.

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  • Number 23 is my favourite story.
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    I agree with a fair bit of this, though ime poor managers are more of a blight on schools than poor teachers:

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/oct/11/gove-adviser-thesis-inflammatory-ideas-education?CMP=twt_gu
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    FPT

    Guess this more a 'Nighthawks' post... reminds me of my game playing days on the SNES.

    This been on yet? I ranked 'minister'.

    http://toys.usvsth3m.com/super-tory-boy/
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    Carola said:

    FPT

    Guess this more a 'Nighthawks' post... reminds me of my game playing days on the SNES.

    This been on yet? I ranked 'minister'.

    http://toys.usvsth3m.com/super-tory-boy/

    LOL
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    Quiet. Is everyone playing 'Super Tory Boy'?
  • Carola said:

    I agree with a fair bit of this, though ime poor managers are more of a blight on schools than poor teachers:

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/oct/11/gove-adviser-thesis-inflammatory-ideas-education?CMP=twt_gu

    Tis item 15 on the list.
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805

    Carola said:

    I agree with a fair bit of this, though ime poor managers are more of a blight on schools than poor teachers:

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/oct/11/gove-adviser-thesis-inflammatory-ideas-education?CMP=twt_gu

    Tis item 15 on the list.
    Oh yes, sorry. That's the other one I linked. Got distracted by the disco poles. Playing Duran Duran should keep them at bay.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    FPT tim

    I don't judge people's ability by their names, but by their track record.

    You might choose to do otherwise, but that just reflects your rather narrow mindset.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,112
    Backbencher....
  • Carola said:

    Quiet. Is everyone playing 'Super Tory Boy'?

    Yes
  • EasterrossEasterross Posts: 1,915
    Evening all. re No 4, I don't remember hearing all the lefties complain when Gordon Brown gave away 1/3 of our gold reserves just as the gold price reached a virtually all time low value.

    On another topic I wonder how many more LibDem MPs will announce their retirement at 2015? I expect at least 1 more in Scotland, if he is allowed to by the party.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,112
    tim said:

    RobD said:

    Backbencher....

    Backbench badgers moved the goalposts
    Frontbench badgers too busy fopping.

    Here is to the next 1000!
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    RobD said:

    Backbencher....

    I think you have to declare the dead scrounger fit for work to make 'minister'.

    *been playing it a lot*
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    Twitter
    Sky News ‏@SkyNews 11s
    THE TIMES FRONT PAGE: "Britain and Germany in secret pact to defy EU laws" #skypapers pic.twitter.com/mLVIjvvIiM
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @alstewitn: .@ityvnews at Ten-ten #PressRegulation Politicians: 'We have a plan' . Press: 'Enjoy.. we are otherwise engaged'. @romillyweeks on dead-lock

    @rosschawkins: Industry source tells me some in press considering judicial review of rejection of press' charter
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,301
    Imagine the howls of protest had Thatcher proposed Cameron's stitch up of the Press via a Royal Charter.
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    Hmmm. Seant?

    "It also appears that the number of comments posted on the article in question was above average and indicated a great deal of interest in the matter among the readers and those who posted their comments. Thus, the court concludes that the applicant company was expected to exercise a degree of caution in the circumstances of the present case in order to avoid being held liable for an infringement of other persons' reputations."

    http://www.theguardian.com/media/media-blog/2013/oct/11/online-comments-websites-court-ruling-estonian?CMP=twt_gu
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,112
    Hm, secret pacts with Germany? Doesn't bode well based on past experience.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Carola said:

    Hmmm. Seant?

    "It also appears that the number of comments posted on the article in question was above average and indicated a great deal of interest in the matter among the readers and those who posted their comments. Thus, the court concludes that the applicant company was expected to exercise a degree of caution in the circumstances of the present case in order to avoid being held liable for an infringement of other persons' reputations."

    http://www.theguardian.com/media/media-blog/2013/oct/11/online-comments-websites-court-ruling-estonian?CMP=twt_gu

    In other news, those that enjoy playing with fire can sometimes get burnt.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,729
    LD maj only 3% in Somerton & Frome - ie only 1.5% swing required.

    Good news for Con.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    @SeanT I love the Barbican's architecture. It's the one place where brutalism really works.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,519
    Just been to a very enjoyable evening with Gyles Brandreth
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    HYUFD said:

    Just been to a very enjoyable evening with Gyles Brandreth

    #accidentalpartridge
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,301
    @SeanT Chamberlin, Powell and Bon designed the Barbican, one of their other jobs was for Cheltenham Grammar School in 1965, their building was pulled down due to failures in the concrete in 1996.

    The Wiki entries imply that other buildings they designed have also been pulled down, so there is some hope that the Barbican might follow. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chamberlin,_Powell_and_Bon
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,260
    edited October 2013
    Feel sorry for the CiF moderators tomorrow.

    There's an 1800 word piece going up by Paul Dacre on the Miliband row at CiF
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,301

    Feel sorry for the CiF moderators tomorrow.

    There's an 1800 word piece going up by Paul Dacre on the Miliband row at CiF

    Must be 1795 words too long.

  • Preview of the Dacre piece

    Nick Sutton ‏@suttonnick 6m

    Page 44 of The Guardian tomorrow looks interesting #tomorrowspaperstoday

    pic.twitter.com/JkqCioq7ZG
  • SeanT said:

    Feel sorry for the CiF moderators tomorrow.

    There's a 1800 word piece going up by Paul Dacre on the Miliband row at CiF

    I'm fascinated to see how Dacre and the Mail respond to the Earlier Campbell Meltdown on Twitter. He loudly and repeatedly accused them all of being Nazis, in the most juvenile and embarrassing way.

    Will they let it go? Why? Because they feel sorry for him?
    I suspect Dacre's piece was written before Ali Campbell's twitter fun.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,301
    edited October 2013

    SeanT said:

    Feel sorry for the CiF moderators tomorrow.

    There's a 1800 word piece going up by Paul Dacre on the Miliband row at CiF

    I'm fascinated to see how Dacre and the Mail respond to the Earlier Campbell Meltdown on Twitter. He loudly and repeatedly accused them all of being Nazis, in the most juvenile and embarrassing way.

    Will they let it go? Why? Because they feel sorry for him?
    I suspect Dacre's piece was written before Ali Campbell's twitter fun.
    More claret, Mr Campbell? Invokes shade of Mr Cresote.

  • SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Feel sorry for the CiF moderators tomorrow.

    There's a 1800 word piece going up by Paul Dacre on the Miliband row at CiF

    I'm fascinated to see how Dacre and the Mail respond to the Earlier Campbell Meltdown on Twitter. He loudly and repeatedly accused them all of being Nazis, in the most juvenile and embarrassing way.

    Will they let it go? Why? Because they feel sorry for him?
    I suspect Dacre's piece was written before Ali Campbell's twitter fun.
    Almost certainly. If I were Dacre, I'd be incandescently angry, and I'd want Campbell garroted. e.g.

    Alastair Campbell ‏@campbellclaret 9h
    I'm forever printing rubbish, Racist rubbish in the Mail.. I hate the left, I am far right - That's why my paper's full of shite #coward
    For me, Dacre vs Campbell is Iran vs Iraq all over again.
  • From the Times, Nigel Farage will be tearing his hair out, Tommy Robinson is interviewed in the Times

    UKIP has “ridden on the back of the success of the English Defence League”, Tommy Robinson, the founder of the nationalist street protest movement, claims today.
  • fitalass said:

    Twitter
    Sky News ‏@SkyNews 11s
    THE TIMES FRONT PAGE: "Britain and Germany in secret pact to defy EU laws" #skypapers pic.twitter.com/mLVIjvvIiM

    The Miliband-Ribbentrop Pact, Comrades?

    :)
  • fitalass said:

    Twitter
    Sky News ‏@SkyNews 11s
    THE TIMES FRONT PAGE: "Britain and Germany in secret pact to defy EU laws" #skypapers pic.twitter.com/mLVIjvvIiM

    The Miliband-Ribbentrop Pact, Comrades?

    :)
    If I were Poland, I'd be very worried right now
  • FPT
    Mick_Pork said:

    It's designed primarily as a carrot for the new PCC. There are distinct advantages to being in it that they obviously won't get if they are not. If they are fine with a PCC that covers them all designed by the press barons then they shouldn't act surprised that a PCC which isn't is still designed to cover them all and utilises pooled resources for the benefit of them all.

    It's not a question of the advantages of being subject to an approved regulator, but the irrational and disproportionate penal consequences if a newspaper isn't subject to an approved regulator. Your are trying to assert that the PCC or IPSO is equivalent or comparable to a regulator backed in statute law. That is fallacious.

  • SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Feel sorry for the CiF moderators tomorrow.

    There's a 1800 word piece going up by Paul Dacre on the Miliband row at CiF

    I'm fascinated to see how Dacre and the Mail respond to the Earlier Campbell Meltdown on Twitter. He loudly and repeatedly accused them all of being Nazis, in the most juvenile and embarrassing way.

    Will they let it go? Why? Because they feel sorry for him?
    I suspect Dacre's piece was written before Ali Campbell's twitter fun.
    Almost certainly. If I were Dacre, I'd be incandescently angry, and I'd want Campbell garroted. e.g.

    Alastair Campbell ‏@campbellclaret 9h
    I'm forever printing rubbish, Racist rubbish in the Mail.. I hate the left, I am far right - That's why my paper's full of shite #coward
    For me, Dacre vs Campbell is Iran vs Iraq all over again.
    Nah, Dacre is a bruiser, but Campbell lied to start a war. The weird thing is I suspect Campbell knows this - he is morally lower than the Daily Mail - which is why he is so angry and tormented. Hence his weird Twitter-spasm today.
    I'm more forgiving, given Campbell's past problems.

    Then again, I do admire Dacre on one level, without him, the murderers of Stephen Lawrence would still be walking the streets
  • From the Times, Nigel Farage will be tearing his hair out, Tommy Robinson is interviewed in the Times

    UKIP has “ridden on the back of the success of the English Defence League”, Tommy Robinson, the founder of the nationalist street protest movement, claims today.

    Can't remember, but does the EDL have as many MEPs as UKIP?
  • SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Feel sorry for the CiF moderators tomorrow.

    There's a 1800 word piece going up by Paul Dacre on the Miliband row at CiF

    I'm fascinated to see how Dacre and the Mail respond to the Earlier Campbell Meltdown on Twitter. He loudly and repeatedly accused them all of being Nazis, in the most juvenile and embarrassing way.

    Will they let it go? Why? Because they feel sorry for him?
    I suspect Dacre's piece was written before Ali Campbell's twitter fun.
    Almost certainly. If I were Dacre, I'd be incandescently angry, and I'd want Campbell garroted. e.g.

    Alastair Campbell ‏@campbellclaret 9h
    I'm forever printing rubbish, Racist rubbish in the Mail.. I hate the left, I am far right - That's why my paper's full of shite #coward
    For me, Dacre vs Campbell is Iran vs Iraq all over again.
    Or even Alien vs. Predator - whoever wins, we lose?
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    The Media Blog ‏@TheMediaTweets 29m

    Paul Dacre AND Piers Morgan in the Guardian
    *tears of laughter etc.*
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,301
    edited October 2013
    Dacre making sure that petrol is added to the flames with another of The Mail's heroes from the '80s.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2454561/Len-McCluskey-hails-Ed-Miliband-best-Labour-leader-Michael-Foot.html

  • From the Times, Nigel Farage will be tearing his hair out, Tommy Robinson is interviewed in the Times

    UKIP has “ridden on the back of the success of the English Defence League”, Tommy Robinson, the founder of the nationalist street protest movement, claims today.

    Can't remember, but does the EDL have as many MEPs as UKIP?
    It's hard to keep up, UKIP MEPs keep on defecting or resigning from UKIP
  • SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Feel sorry for the CiF moderators tomorrow.

    There's a 1800 word piece going up by Paul Dacre on the Miliband row at CiF

    I'm fascinated to see how Dacre and the Mail respond to the Earlier Campbell Meltdown on Twitter. He loudly and repeatedly accused them all of being Nazis, in the most juvenile and embarrassing way.

    Will they let it go? Why? Because they feel sorry for him?
    I suspect Dacre's piece was written before Ali Campbell's twitter fun.
    Almost certainly. If I were Dacre, I'd be incandescently angry, and I'd want Campbell garroted. e.g.

    Alastair Campbell ‏@campbellclaret 9h
    I'm forever printing rubbish, Racist rubbish in the Mail.. I hate the left, I am far right - That's why my paper's full of shite #coward
    For me, Dacre vs Campbell is Iran vs Iraq all over again.
    Or even Alien vs. Predator - whoever wins, we lose?
    Nah, it's a pity both can't lose.

    Plus I enjoyed most of the original Alien and Predator films, and the AvP computer games.

    The films sucked more than a hooker that swallowed a dyson
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited October 2013

    FPT

    Mick_Pork said:

    It's designed primarily as a carrot for the new PCC. There are distinct advantages to being in it that they obviously won't get if they are not. If they are fine with a PCC that covers them all designed by the press barons then they shouldn't act surprised that a PCC which isn't is still designed to cover them all and utilises pooled resources for the benefit of them all.

    It's not a question of the advantages of being subject to an approved regulator, but the irrational and disproportionate penal consequences if a newspaper isn't subject to an approved regulator. Your are trying to assert that the PCC or IPSO is equivalent or comparable to a regulator backed in statute law. That is fallacious.

    Me'Lud

    What impact, if any, would an application by the newspapers for a judicial review of the Privy Council Committee decision to reject the IPSO draft for a Royal Charter have on the ability of the Privy Council to seal the alternative 'tripartite' draft of the charter?

  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited October 2013
    @Life_ina_market_townLife_ina_market_town

    You perhaps missed the fact that Leveson was set up to examine the culture, practices and ethics of newspapers and that part 2 hasn't even happened yet.

    As for the newspaper proprietors supposed outrage at a statute backed system - it certainly hasn't stopped the Irish Daily Mail, the Irish Sun, The Irish Times, Irish Mirror, Irish Daily Star, Irish Express, Irish Independent and the rest of the papers and their proprietors operating under their system of a press council underpinned by statute - all of which they have done without the sky falling in.

    Funny that, isn't it?

    It's their choice though. They stay out then they don't get the benefits and the next scandal is all on them as will be the consequences.

  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    edited October 2013
    Eating poo cures C. Difficile. Apparently.

    edit: forgot link

    http://www.myfoxny.com/Story/23600644/pills-made-from-poop-cure-serious-gut-infections
  • SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Feel sorry for the CiF moderators tomorrow.

    There's a 1800 word piece going up by Paul Dacre on the Miliband row at CiF

    I'm fascinated to see how Dacre and the Mail respond to the Earlier Campbell Meltdown on Twitter. He loudly and repeatedly accused them all of being Nazis, in the most juvenile and embarrassing way.

    Will they let it go? Why? Because they feel sorry for him?
    I suspect Dacre's piece was written before Ali Campbell's twitter fun.
    Almost certainly. If I were Dacre, I'd be incandescently angry, and I'd want Campbell garroted. e.g.

    Alastair Campbell ‏@campbellclaret 9h
    I'm forever printing rubbish, Racist rubbish in the Mail.. I hate the left, I am far right - That's why my paper's full of shite #coward
    For me, Dacre vs Campbell is Iran vs Iraq all over again.
    Nah, Dacre is a bruiser, but Campbell lied to start a war. The weird thing is I suspect Campbell knows this - he is morally lower than the Daily Mail - which is why he is so angry and tormented. Hence his weird Twitter-spasm today.
    I'm more forgiving, given Campbell's past problems.

    Then again, I do admire Dacre on one level, without him, the murderers of Stephen Lawrence would still be walking the streets
    Are Campbell's demons in his past ?
    His recent tone suggests that he has fallen off the wagon and collided with the whisky truck.

  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    Predator is ace. I love the scene where the Indian just says "**** it" and waits on the log-bridge with a knife.
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    "Jack of Kent ‏@JackofKent 5h
    It may well be that, if challenged, the High Court would rule that this press regulation charter is outwith the Royal Prerogative."

    twitter.com/JackofKent/status/388705574109462528

    It does seem outrageous to end the free press without at least the consent of parliament.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    tim said:

    Sky News ‏@SkyNews 17m
    THE i FRONT PAGE: "Taxpayers lose out as Royal Mail shares surge" #skypapers pic.twitter.com/WZ9PE3UEyW

    Flogged off on the cheap my mates of Charles' called Rupert and Justin it appears.
    Which one is "Mad Dog" Charles?

    Very few of the Ruperts in the state sector are nicknamed Mad Dog I'm guessing.

    Not a mate of mine, but someone whose professional judgement I regard extremely highly.

    http://www.cityam.com/article/rupert-hume-kendall-lands-promotion-bank-america-merrill-lynch
  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    edited October 2013
    SeanT said:

    Feel sorry for the CiF moderators tomorrow.

    There's a 1800 word piece going up by Paul Dacre on the Miliband row at CiF

    I'm fascinated to see how Dacre and the Mail respond to the Earlier Campbell Meltdown on Twitter. He loudly and repeatedly accused them all of being Nazis, in the most juvenile and embarrassing way.

    Will they let it go? Why? Because they feel sorry for him?
    Campbell developing a conscience over Iraq?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,519
    Carola, he was actually very good, full of anecdotes from meetings with everyone from Frank Sinatra to Prince Phillip and Prince Charles, Charles De Gaulle, Margaret Thatcher and his old friend Simon Cadell and came on dressed as a jester all in connection with his new book on happiness. Interesting you mention Alan Partridge, because he had a post-interval theme song over the tannoy which he said had been sung by Partridge. I am also hoping to see Alexei Sayle and Dame Edna Everage in the next few weeks, but Gyles was a surprisingly hard act to follow!
  • RichardNabaviRichardNabavi Posts: 3,413
    edited October 2013
    SeanT said:

    Almost certainly. If I were Dacre, I'd be incandescently angry, and I'd want Campbell garroted. e.g.

    Alastair Campbell ‏@campbellclaret 9h
    I'm forever printing rubbish, Racist rubbish in the Mail.. I hate the left, I am far right - That's why my paper's full of shite #coward

    Angry? No, that's the kind of attack which makes the attacker look like such a prize berk that the target of the attacks can just look on pityingly and make sympathetic noises about how sad it is.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    Meanwhile the GOP's nervous breakdown after Romney was defeated continues apace.
    Rolling Stone ‏@RollingStone 4h

    Tea Party Republicans think it's no big deal if the government defaults on its debts. What planet are they living on? http://rol.st/17k9C9P
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,519
    Some interesting contradictions in terms of US immigration
    “The improving Mexican economy, lower Mexican fertility, the U.S. construction bust, and increased enforcement have combined to bring net Mexican immigration to zero or negative since 2008. That bears repeating: On net, Mexicans are no longer moving to the United States at all.”

    Instead, it is Asians who are moving to America “at a rate of about half a million a year… the Asian-American percentage of the population has already reached 6%.”

    Thinking about it, this seems to makes sense. After all, Asia has plenty of people to spare, right? Well, no, actually:

    “In 2012, the working-age population of China fell by 3.45 million. In other words, last year China lost a number of workers approximately equal to the entire population of Lebanon. This year the drop will be bigger, and the drops will accelerate through the 2030s. That means that China’s inexhaustible supply of cheap labor is going to be exhausted a lot faster than most people expected.”
    http://www.conservativehome.com/the-deep-end/2013/10/heresy-of-the-week-everything-you-know-is-wrong-or-soon-will-be.html

  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053

    For me, Dacre vs Campbell is Iran vs Iraq all over again.

    Or even Alien vs. Predator - whoever wins, we lose?

    Nah, it's a pity both can't lose.

    Plus I enjoyed most of the original Alien and Predator films, and the AvP computer games.

    The films sucked more than a hooker that swallowed a dyson

    Predator is arguably the most perfect film ever. I read somewhere that if you restricted the script to the dialogue used, it would be about 4 pages long: i.e. it is ALL ACTION. And completely gripping thereby and nonetheless. There is not a spare ounce of flesh on the bones. Everything drives the plot forward to its climaxially violent ending.

    It's also watchable again and again, in the same way as the (much more wordy) Zulu.

    I quite agree. Predator - which I watched again last night - is the perfect thriller/fantasy film.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,953
    Perhaps m'learned colleagues could advise, but I didn't think that 'I was drunk at the time' was a defence in law? Campbell is a very silly boy drunk or sober and deserves anything coming to him from the Mail, the easiest of which would be a libel writ (though an over-the-top personal attack would be more their style, just far enough below the belt to garner him some sympathy).
  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    I'd like to think the people who want more wars in the middle-east have realized that lancing the boil over the dodgy dossier would help them in their future endeavours and have decided to throw at least some of the gang of four to the wolves with Chilcot - hence Campbell melting down.

    Unfortunately that is probably just wishful thinking on my part.
  • Life_ina_market_townLife_ina_market_town Posts: 2,319
    edited October 2013
    Mick_Pork said:

    @Life_ina_market_townLife_ina_market_town

    You perhaps missed the fact that Leveson was set up to examine the culture, practices and ethics of newspapers and that part 2 hasn't even happened yet.

    As for the newspaper proprietors supposed outrage at a statute backed system - it certainly hasn't stopped the Irish Daily Mail, the Irish Sun, The Irish Times, Irish Mirror, Irish Daily Star, Irish Express, Irish Independent and the rest of the papers and their proprietors operating under their system of a press council underpinned by statute - all of which they have done without the sky falling in.

    Funny that, isn't it?

    It's their choice though. They stay out then they don't get the benefits and the next scandal is all on them as will be the consequences.

    The fact that newspapers are prepared to sign up to a coercive system of regulation should be of no surprise if the consequences of failing to do so involve greater coercion than signing up. The Republic of Ireland, where jury trial is all but abrogated in serious criminal cases by the "Special Criminal Court" and where a government minister can authorise members of the Gárda Síochána to seize and destroy "seditious foreign newspapers" can scarcely be cited as a system which respects freedom of the press. Sections 34 to 42 of the Crime and Courts Act 2013 remain unjustifiable in principle and in practice.

  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,671

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Feel sorry for the CiF moderators tomorrow.

    There's a 1800 word piece going up by Paul Dacre on the Miliband row at CiF

    I'm fascinated to see how Dacre and the Mail respond to the Earlier Campbell Meltdown on Twitter. He loudly and repeatedly accused them all of being Nazis, in the most juvenile and embarrassing way.

    Will they let it go? Why? Because they feel sorry for him?
    I suspect Dacre's piece was written before Ali Campbell's twitter fun.
    Almost certainly. If I were Dacre, I'd be incandescently angry, and I'd want Campbell garroted. e.g.

    Alastair Campbell ‏@campbellclaret 9h
    I'm forever printing rubbish, Racist rubbish in the Mail.. I hate the left, I am far right - That's why my paper's full of shite #coward
    For me, Dacre vs Campbell is Iran vs Iraq all over again.
    Nah, Dacre is a bruiser, but Campbell lied to start a war. The weird thing is I suspect Campbell knows this - he is morally lower than the Daily Mail - which is why he is so angry and tormented. Hence his weird Twitter-spasm today.
    I'm more forgiving, given Campbell's past problems.

    Then again, I do admire Dacre on one level, without him, the murderers of Stephen Lawrence would still be walking the streets
    Are Campbell's demons in his past ?
    His recent tone suggests that he has fallen off the wagon and collided with the whisky truck.

    thought wine was his tipple
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited October 2013

    Perhaps m'learned colleagues could advise, but I didn't think that 'I was drunk at the time' was a defence in law?

    For calling them racists? Didn't seem to bother Cameron or Heseltine too much when they labelled UKIP as such.

    For that matter Campbell's odious lies about Iraq were not just bought wholesale by gullible and inept tories and labour supporters but also parroted eagerly by the likes of the Mail, the Sun and most of the press.

    Bit much for those who believed his obvious nonsense on Iraq to now complain about it.

  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983

    The Republic of Ireland, where jury trial is all but abrogated in serious criminal cases by the "Special Criminal Court" and where a government minister can authorise members of the Gárda Síochána to seize and destroy "seditious foreign newspapers" can scarcely be cited as a system which respects freedom of the press.

    The Government has *probably* stopped tapping the phones of journalists to find out where they're getting their stories from though.

    RTE are doing a mini-series on Charles J. Haughey right now. It will look like an over-the-top version of House of Cards.
  • Perhaps m'learned colleagues could advise, but I didn't think that 'I was drunk at the time' was a defence in law?

    Per Lord Elwyn-Jones C in Director of Public Prosecutions v Majewski [1977] AC 443, 476:
    'it is no excuse in law that, because of drink or drugs which the accused himself had taken knowingly and willingly, he had deprived himself of the ability to exercise self-control, to realise the possible consequences of what he was doing, or even to be conscious that he was doing it.'
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,953

    "Jack of Kent ‏@JackofKent 5h
    It may well be that, if challenged, the High Court would rule that this press regulation charter is outwith the Royal Prerogative."

    twitter.com/JackofKent/status/388705574109462528

    It does seem outrageous to end the free press without at least the consent of parliament.

    Didn't parliament implicitly agree it back in March, which because it was deliberately not explicit about a specific Charter, effectively subcontracted the details to those drawing it up?

    Ref Jack's point, if parliament has already agreed in principle that such a Charter can exist, then surely it's within HM's right (or ministers on her behalf) to create one?
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited October 2013

    "Jack of Kent ‏@JackofKent 5h
    It may well be that, if challenged, the High Court would rule that this press regulation charter is outwith the Royal Prerogative."

    twitter.com/JackofKent/status/388705574109462528

    It does seem outrageous to end the free press without at least the consent of parliament.

    Didn't parliament implicitly agree it back in March, which because it was deliberately not explicit about a specific Charter, effectively subcontracted the details to those drawing it up?

    Ref Jack's point, if parliament has already agreed in principle that such a Charter can exist, then surely it's within HM's right (or ministers on her behalf) to create one?
    But what if the rejection of the IPSO charter has been accepted for judicial review?

    A question to which I am awaiting an answer from Town, LJ.

  • RichardNabaviRichardNabavi Posts: 3,413
    edited October 2013

    Ref Jack's point, if parliament has already agreed in principle that such a Charter can exist, then surely it's within HM's right (or ministers on her behalf) to create one?

    IANAL, but perhaps the argument would be that, just as we have several accountancy bodies recognised by Royal Charter, a Royal Charter should be given to any reasonably credible regulator, i.e. that the political parties between them shouldn't try to stitch up the exact detailed terms in some back-room deal not approved by parliament.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited October 2013
    @Life_ina_market_town

    Yes the next thing we know the Irish will be having some kind of D Notice system or, perish the thought, the chief of their security services will publicly castigate/threaten a paper for releasing leaks from a whistleblower that exposed a massive surveilance system operating in the US.

    They're fine with the Irish system and show no sign of pulling out. (Even Desmond signed up to it for god's sake) The royal press charter isn't what Leveson proposed (which was closer to the Irish model) but a hastily cobbled together 'compromise' after Cameron rejected Leveson's main findings.

    So to be clear this is a compromise on Leveson they would be rejecting in favour of their idea of a PCC mark 2 and a return to business as usual, which they absolutely can.


  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    Mick_Pork said:

    Perhaps m'learned colleagues could advise, but I didn't think that 'I was drunk at the time' was a defence in law?

    For calling them racists? Didn't seem to bother Cameron or Heseltine too much when they labelled UKIP as such.

    For that matter Campbell's odious lies about Iraq were not just bought wholesale by gullible and inept tories and labour supporters but also parroted eagerly by the likes of the Mail, the Sun and most of the press.

    Bit much for those who believed his obvious nonsense on Iraq to now complain about it.

    Not at all. People who made decisions based on dodgy information they were given in bad faith are perfectly entitled to complain about it until doomsday or the people responsible have been held to account.
  • SeanT said:




    "Are Campbell's demons in his past ?
    His recent tone suggests that he has fallen off the wagon and collided with the whisky truck"

    Also, I'm not sure why we should forgive Campbell his present grotesqueness just because he was a boozer/depressive in the past. Fact is, he was an essentially malign force at the heart of the British government for a decade, a man marinated in such desperate hatred of the Tories he would do anything - and bully anyone - to get his version of things across.

    He seems, to me, to be the mirror image of the nastiest, most mendacious rightwing tabloid editor, except that Campbell had his finger on the military trigger, so he was much more dangerous.

    Why should his *demons* excuse him? If he was mentally unbalanced, and knew it, he shouldn't have taken the job in the first place.

    Campbell is batshit crazy, just like his boss Blair is, and Gordon Brown. That gang had 8 or 9 years of government when they could have been visionaries. Instead they chose to fight amongst themselves.
    I hope they all have demons. They deserve them, after what they visited on us.

  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,953
    AveryLP said:

    "Jack of Kent ‏@JackofKent 5h
    It may well be that, if challenged, the High Court would rule that this press regulation charter is outwith the Royal Prerogative."

    twitter.com/JackofKent/status/388705574109462528

    It does seem outrageous to end the free press without at least the consent of parliament.

    Didn't parliament implicitly agree it back in March, which because it was deliberately not explicit about a specific Charter, effectively subcontracted the details to those drawing it up?

    Ref Jack's point, if parliament has already agreed in principle that such a Charter can exist, then surely it's within HM's right (or ministers on her behalf) to create one?
    But what if the rejection of the IPSO charter has been accepted for judicial review?

    A question to which I am awaiting an answer from Town, LJ.

    I'm not sure I understand the question? For that matter, I don't see what there is to review - why wouldn't it be within the government's right either to create a Charter on the lines mentioned during the debates in the Spring, or to not create one, given that no specific Charter was written into law?
  • RichardNabaviRichardNabavi Posts: 3,413
    edited October 2013
    MrJones said:


    Not at all. People who made decisions based on dodgy information they were given in bad faith are perfectly entitled to complain about it until doomsday or the people responsible have been held to account.

    Yes, precisely, especially since anyone born before about 1980 would have found it completely inconceivable that a British Prime Minister would not have been straight with MPs and the public in a formal report and formal statement to parliament on such a grave matter.

    Of course, now, post-Blair, that seems a ridiculous position, but how were we to know that at the time?
  • AveryLP said:

    But what if the rejection of the IPSO charter has been accepted for judicial review?

    A question to which I am awaiting an answer from Town, LJ.

    As I said earlier, it is notable that no section 19 statement has been made in relation to the relevant provisions of the Crime and Courts Act 2013. Article 10 is a qualified right, as much as the press would like to suggest otherwise. On the other hand, there are serious questions about whether the Royal Charter complies with the principle of legality for the purposes of the European Convention.

  • RedRag1RedRag1 Posts: 527
    Evening comrades, I see Comrade Campbell is taking on the Daily Heil editor....Go Comrade Campbell! It's about time someone had the Osbornes to take on the press barons, well apart from Red Ed obviously. I am sure Dave is ringing Dacre as we speak telling him how great he really is and he should ignore those nasty Marxists.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    MrJones said:

    Mick_Pork said:

    Perhaps m'learned colleagues could advise, but I didn't think that 'I was drunk at the time' was a defence in law?

    For calling them racists? Didn't seem to bother Cameron or Heseltine too much when they labelled UKIP as such.

    For that matter Campbell's odious lies about Iraq were not just bought wholesale by gullible and inept tories and labour supporters but also parroted eagerly by the likes of the Mail, the Sun and most of the press.

    Bit much for those who believed his obvious nonsense on Iraq to now complain about it.

    Not at all. People who made decisions based on dodgy information they were given in bad faith are perfectly entitled to complain about it until doomsday or the people responsible have been held to account.
    As long as they admit what fools they were to believe it in the first place. The idea that the Blair doctrine on Iraq was the only view in town or that because he spouted it somehow meant it must be believed is fatuous nonsense. Robin Cook quit after completely demolishing the lies yet still some idiots believed it. Notably one David Cameron who still thought it was right to back the Iraq war many years after the truth was known.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815

    AveryLP said:

    "Jack of Kent ‏@JackofKent 5h
    It may well be that, if challenged, the High Court would rule that this press regulation charter is outwith the Royal Prerogative."

    twitter.com/JackofKent/status/388705574109462528

    It does seem outrageous to end the free press without at least the consent of parliament.

    Didn't parliament implicitly agree it back in March, which because it was deliberately not explicit about a specific Charter, effectively subcontracted the details to those drawing it up?

    Ref Jack's point, if parliament has already agreed in principle that such a Charter can exist, then surely it's within HM's right (or ministers on her behalf) to create one?
    But what if the rejection of the IPSO charter has been accepted for judicial review?

    A question to which I am awaiting an answer from Town, LJ.

    I'm not sure I understand the question? For that matter, I don't see what there is to review - why wouldn't it be within the government's right either to create a Charter on the lines mentioned during the debates in the Spring, or to not create one, given that no specific Charter was written into law?
    I don't know the law governing the actions of the Privy Council but I assume that an application for judicial review of a decision made by the PC is possible (has precedent?) otherwise it seems strange for IPSO to be proposing such a review.

    If such an application is made and accepted then would not any further connected action being contemplated or planned by the PC be deferred until the 'appeal' process is complete?

    My guess is that any application for a judicial review will be as much motivated by its ability to delay as it would to resolve any claimed breach of procedure or law.

  • Mick_Pork said:

    @Life_ina_market_town

    Yes the next thing we know the Irish will be having some kind of D Notice system or, perish the thought, the chief of their security services will publicly castigate/threaten a paper for releasing leaks from a whistleblower that exposed a massive surveilance system operating in the US.

    They're fine with the Irish system and show no sign of pulling out. (Even Desmond signed up to it for god's sake) The royal press charter isn't what Leveson proposed (which was closer to the Irish model) but a hastily cobbled together 'compromise' after Cameron rejected Leveson's main findings.

    So to be clear this is a compromise on Leveson they would be rejecting in favour of their idea of a PCC mark 2 and a return to business as usual, which they absolutely can.

    It is of course the right of any property owner to ensure that their property is not subject to misuse. The Crown had a right to its property unlawfully held by The Guardian, which the newspaper did not dispute. Cameron has agreed to a mad scheme, but that scheme is incapable of justification.

  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    edited October 2013
    Boomtime: Britain bounces back Share prices, house prices, luxury cars... The recession is over and the country has started spending again

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/10372896/Boomtime-Britain-bounces-back.html
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,574
    Forgive me for sounding naive, but has Alistair Campbell had an emotional day ?
  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    Mick_Pork said:

    MrJones said:

    Mick_Pork said:

    Perhaps m'learned colleagues could advise, but I didn't think that 'I was drunk at the time' was a defence in law?

    For calling them racists? Didn't seem to bother Cameron or Heseltine too much when they labelled UKIP as such.

    For that matter Campbell's odious lies about Iraq were not just bought wholesale by gullible and inept tories and labour supporters but also parroted eagerly by the likes of the Mail, the Sun and most of the press.

    Bit much for those who believed his obvious nonsense on Iraq to now complain about it.

    Not at all. People who made decisions based on dodgy information they were given in bad faith are perfectly entitled to complain about it until doomsday or the people responsible have been held to account.
    As long as they admit what fools they were to believe it in the first place. The idea that the Blair doctrine on Iraq was the only view in town or that because he spouted it somehow meant it must be believed is fatuous nonsense. Robin Cook quit after completely demolishing the lies yet still some idiots believed it. Notably one David Cameron who still thought it was right to back the Iraq war many years after the truth was known.
    The thing about the misuse of trust is people take things on trust - so that argument doesn't relate to the main point i.e. people e.g. me, assumed they wouldn't fib about something like that so they didn't go swot it up themselves. Now i don't believe a word any of them says on anything and swot it up myself but the abuse of trust point - the critical one - stands.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    @old_labour

    Yellow boxes! That makes it official and correct!
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815

    AveryLP said:

    But what if the rejection of the IPSO charter has been accepted for judicial review?

    A question to which I am awaiting an answer from Town, LJ.

    As I said earlier, it is notable that no section 19 statement has been made in relation to the relevant provisions of the Crime and Courts Act 2013. Article 10 is a qualified right, as much as the press would like to suggest otherwise. On the other hand, there are serious questions about whether the Royal Charter complies with the principle of legality for the purposes of the European Convention.

    LIAMT

    Please translate for us ordinary mortals.

    The only bit I think I understand is the last sentence where it appears you are suggesting that the actions of the Privy Council are subject to challenge on basis that they conflict with the European Convention on Human Rights (?).

    I can make neither head nor tail of your first two sentences though.
  • RedRag1RedRag1 Posts: 527
    edited October 2013

    Boomtime: Britain bounces back Share prices, house prices, luxury cars... The recession is over and the country has started spending again

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/10372896/Boomtime-Britain-bounces-back.html

    Meanwhile those Marxists at The Red Cross apparently pulled off a publicity stunt by saying they are arranging to give out food parcels for the first time since the second world war.....in the very same country.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    MrJones said:

    but the abuse of trust point - the critical one - stands.

    You're telling me that it never occurred to you till then that a government might run copious propaganda, bend the truth and even outright lie on such matters? That's adorable.
  • Mick_Pork said:

    MrJones said:

    but the abuse of trust point - the critical one - stands.

    You're telling me that it never occurred to you till then that a government might run copious propaganda, bend the truth and even outright lie on such matters? That's adorable.
    All my adult life, I have expected the government to not tell me the whole truth, massage figures, deal in tractor stats, but I have to admit that the dodgy dossier was an order of magnitude way beyond that. That Blair has seemingly just walked away from it unscathed is still quite hard to believe.

  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    Mick_Pork said:

    MrJones said:

    but the abuse of trust point - the critical one - stands.

    You're telling me that it never occurred to you till then that a government might run copious propaganda, bend the truth and even outright lie on such matters? That's adorable.
    You seem to be telling me that the laws against con men, miss-selling etc should be got rid of?
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited October 2013
    Meanwhile the Mail goes on miracle wonder drug and the Express goes on Diana.

    http://www.politicshome.com/uk/article/86374/the_daily_mail_saturday_12th_october_2013.html

    Some things will never change. ;)
  • perdixperdix Posts: 1,806
    RedRag1 said:

    Boomtime: Britain bounces back Share prices, house prices, luxury cars... The recession is over and the country has started spending again

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/10372896/Boomtime-Britain-bounces-back.html

    Meanwhile those Marxists at The Red Cross apparently pulled off a publicity stunt by saying they are arranging to give out food parcels for the first time since the second world war.....in the very same country.
    The Red Cross doing for 3 day sonly apparently.

  • Life_ina_market_townLife_ina_market_town Posts: 2,319
    edited October 2013
    AveryLP said:

    AveryLP said:

    LIAMT

    Please translate for us ordinary mortals.

    The only bit I think I understand is the last sentence where it appears you are suggesting that the actions of the Privy Council are subject to challenge on basis that they conflict with the European Convention on Human Rights (?).

    I can make neither head nor tail of your first two sentences though.

    I am sorry that I have been so unclear. My first point was that no government minister has made a statement that the provisions of sections 34 to 42 of the Crime and Courts Act 2013 are compatible with the convention rights. My second point was that HRA 1998 does not provide an absolute right to free speech. My third point was that the government's system of regulation is so convoluted that it may not comply with the principle of legality, per article 7 ECHR.

  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    MrJones said:

    Mick_Pork said:

    MrJones said:

    but the abuse of trust point - the critical one - stands.

    You're telling me that it never occurred to you till then that a government might run copious propaganda, bend the truth and even outright lie on such matters? That's adorable.
    You seem to be telling me that the laws against con men, miss-selling etc should be got rid of?
    Nope.

    LOL
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    Neil said:

    @old_labour

    Yellow boxes! That makes it official and correct!

    Neil





    Not only official and correct, but good news too
  • RedRag1RedRag1 Posts: 527
    edited October 2013

    Boomtime: Britain bounces back Share prices, house prices, luxury cars... The recession is over and the country has started spending again

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/10372896/Boomtime-Britain-bounces-back.html

    Share Prices, house prices, luxury cars and a picture of loadsamoney. Meanwhile food banks are multiplying like rabbits, the red cross are giving out food parcels and for swathes of the country inflation is outstripping wage rises if they actually get a rise. The Tories are hoping to win with "I'm all right Jack" and hoping there are enough Jacks to win the election.....don't forget...."We are all in this together".
  • RedRag1RedRag1 Posts: 527
    perdix said:

    RedRag1 said:

    Boomtime: Britain bounces back Share prices, house prices, luxury cars... The recession is over and the country has started spending again

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/10372896/Boomtime-Britain-bounces-back.html

    Meanwhile those Marxists at The Red Cross apparently pulled off a publicity stunt by saying they are arranging to give out food parcels for the first time since the second world war.....in the very same country.
    The Red Cross doing for 3 day sonly apparently.

    Oh that makes it ok then. Maybe they could give the food parcels out from all the new luxury cars that have been sold.
  • RedRag1RedRag1 Posts: 527
    edited October 2013
    Yesterday Dave attacked Red Ed's policy of freezing the energy prices. Today four national papers attacked an energy company on their front page for putting up their prices way above the rate of inflation and predicted deaths because of it. Tomorrow The Express runs a front page of below(yes I know they run this story every year, but eventually they will get it right)

    http://www.politicshome.com/uk/article/86373/daily_express_saturday_12th_october_2013.html


    Not looking good for Dave, or more importantly the voters.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited October 2013

    AveryLP said:

    AveryLP said:

    LIAMT

    Please translate for us ordinary mortals.

    The only bit I think I understand is the last sentence where it appears you are suggesting that the actions of the Privy Council are subject to challenge on basis that they conflict with the European Convention on Human Rights (?).

    I can make neither head nor tail of your first two sentences though.

    I am sorry that I have been so unclear. My first point was that no government minister has made a statement that the provisions of sections 34 to 42 of the Crime and Courts Act 2013 are compatible with the convention rights. My second point was that HRA 1998 does not provide an absolute right to free speech. My third point was that the government's system of regulation is so convoluted that it may not comply with the principle of legality, per article 7 ECHR.

    Thanks for your clarification. I am now better informed.

    So:

    1. The "series of incentives for members of the press in the application of costs and exemplary damages" may not be compliant or consistent with ECHR rights. Such incentives being promoted as encouragement for publications to participate in the voluntary regulatory body (or probably better described as penalties for not participating).

    2. HRA 98 gives a limited and conditional right to publication when "in the public interest", or at least a right not to be restrained from publication.

    3. Article 7 of the ECHR appears to prohibit and/or constrain retrospective application of the law. This bit appears not to fit unless I am missing something.

    Am I right that these are (some if not all) the potential grounds for 'appeal' by the IPSO connections of the Privy Council decision to outlaw their charter?

  • RedRag1 said:

    perdix said:

    RedRag1 said:

    Boomtime: Britain bounces back Share prices, house prices, luxury cars... The recession is over and the country has started spending again

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/10372896/Boomtime-Britain-bounces-back.html

    Meanwhile those Marxists at The Red Cross apparently pulled off a publicity stunt by saying they are arranging to give out food parcels for the first time since the second world war.....in the very same country.
    The Red Cross doing for 3 day sonly apparently.

    Oh that makes it ok then. Maybe they could give the food parcels out from all the new luxury cars that have been sold.
    Those Red Cross food parcels for the briefly famine riven UK will soon become collectors items.

    I hope the Tate Modern has got hold of one. They'll be changing hands for a pretty penny in the auction houses before you can say radical chic.

  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited October 2013
    RedRag1 said:

    perdix said:

    RedRag1 said:

    Boomtime: Britain bounces back Share prices, house prices, luxury cars... The recession is over and the country has started spending again

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/10372896/Boomtime-Britain-bounces-back.html

    Meanwhile those Marxists at The Red Cross apparently pulled off a publicity stunt by saying they are arranging to give out food parcels for the first time since the second world war.....in the very same country.
    The Red Cross doing for 3 day sonly apparently.

    Oh that makes it ok then. Maybe they could give the food parcels out from all the new luxury cars that have been sold.
    Red Rag

    The Red Cross parcels contain tins of spam and baked beans to compensate those unfortunate enough not to have been sufficiently funded and street wise to have stagged the Royal Mail IPO.

    Don't mock the actions of the Red Cross. What they are doing clearly a valuable contribution to the fairness of society. All hard working families up and down the country will welcome this one nation initiative.

  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    Leveson: Papers that hate human rights – except when it’s their rights

    One of the more remarkable features of the “war on Leveson” waged by leading British papers has been their willingness to appeal to the European Convention on Human Rights. In the cases of several newspaper groups this is the most flagrant hypocrisy. They have consistently accused the Court of Human Rights of ignoring the will of a democratically elected parliament, but this is precisely what they want the court to do now in relation to the Leveson recommendations.

    Newspapers have, on many occasions, argued that the judge’s proposals are in breach of their human rights. At least four legal opinions on this have been commissioned and though none has been published some have leaked. One, obtained from three QCs, concerned the compatibility of exemplary damages with Article 10. Then there was an opinion on “apologies” and related matters. Most recently, there was an opinion from Antony White QC which, according to the Times, said that the costs incentives for joining a new self-regulator were “arguably incompatible” with Articles 6 and 10 of the Convention on Human Rights.

    It is difficult to assess the merits of these arguments without seeing the full opinions. In general, however, the notion that statutory involvement in the regulation of the press is incompatible with the European Convention is a bizarre one. Many convention member states (with better records on press freedom than the UK) have some form of statutory underpinning or regulation. But what is most surprising is that Europhobic papers, usually implacably opposed to human rights and demanding the renunciation of the convention, are relying on these arguments at all.When the Leveson proposals were debated in the House of Lords on 25 March 2013, Lord Black of Brentwood argued that the proposals on exemplary damages were “almost certainly contrary to European law” and so would “collapse or be struck down”. Lord Black is executive director of the Telegraph Media Group. Telegraph newspapers have a very low opinion of the European Convention on Human Rights.


    http://inforrm.wordpress.com/2013/04/07/leveson-papers-that-hate-human-rights-except-when-its-their-rights/#more-20805
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,423
    Just been reading the comments to Polly's latest piece - I think car crash best sum's it up, LOL!
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    The ECHR will save the day!
    Jane Carnall ‏@EyeEdinburgh 2h

    What UK journos call "robust journalism" the ECHR calls seriously misleading articles http://www.humanrightseurope.org/2013/10/court-concern-at-seriously-misleading-uk-news-articles/#.Ulhi7QEz6_c.twitter … #DailyMail #Leveson
    Or not.

    *chortle*
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