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  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited September 2018
    Oh Em-il-y Thornberry!
  • Interesting.... important ad lib that one...
  • Nobody's ruling it out ... except for McDonnell and Len McCluskey.

    Also wasn't it said previously that speeches at Conference had to be approved by Milne beforehand? And I believe that when Starmer said this it wasn't part of the script. Which certainly implies it wasn't what had been agreed beforehand and Starmer was going off script and against McDonnell, Milne, McCluskey and presumably Corbyn here.

    Unless something dramatic changes what matters is what Corbyn et al want not Starmer.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Starmer will be knifed before nightfall.

    Nobody messes with magic grandpa.
  • Jeremy Corbyn is sued by 'Zionist' he accused of 'not getting' English irony

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6205885/Jeremy-Corbyn-sued-Zionist-accused-not-getting-English-irony.html
  • Mr. Flashman (deceased), that would not be in accordance with kinder, gentler politics.

    Of course, it would be tragic if Starmer very sadly, accidentally brutally cut his head off whilst combing his hair.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,749
    TGOHF said:

    Starmer will be knifed before nightfall.

    Nobody messes with magic grandpa.

    If so that would be Jezza's Ceaucescu moment.

    Jezza will go with it, not least because it will not happen.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,628
    The decline in longevity is over the last few years, so not reflecting migration. In any case, Most BME groups have longer life expectancy than white BritonsScots..

    https://jech.bmj.com/content/70/12/1251

    Fixed it for you.
  • TGOHF said:

    Starmer will be knifed before nightfall.

    Nobody messes with magic grandpa.

    Starmer is unsackable now. The forces of Remain are on the march.
  • Comrades, do not believe the deceitful smears vomited by the capitalist pigdog press barons!

    Chairman Corbyn continues to enjoy the unanimous support of all commissars of the Politburo. The very uniformity of thinking was proven by the spontaneous flag-waving enjoyed by everyone later that same day.

    The People's Labour Party remains utterly united. Everyone loves the Supreme Leader, and he loves everyone, even those misguided fools guilty of wrongthink get to enjoy their re-education in the luxurious camps of Siberia.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,628

    TGOHF said:

    Starmer will be knifed before nightfall.

    Nobody messes with magic grandpa.

    Starmer is unsackable now. The forces of Remain are on the march.
    Cliff edge -->
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,628

    Jeremy Corbyn is sued by 'Zionist' he accused of 'not getting' English irony

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6205885/Jeremy-Corbyn-sued-Zionist-accused-not-getting-English-irony.html

    Do you think Jeremy will get the irony?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,749
    edited September 2018

    The decline in longevity is over the last few years, so not reflecting migration. In any case, Most BME groups have longer life expectancy than white BritonsScots..

    https://jech.bmj.com/content/70/12/1251

    Fixed it for you.

    It was a Scottish study but the figures include a seperate tab for White British. Better longevity than the Scots, but not as good as British Asians.

    "The life expectancy of White Scottish males at birth was 74.7 years (95% CI 74.6 to 74.8), similar to Mixed Background (73.0; 70.2 to 75.8) and White Irish (75.0; 74.0 to 75.9), but shorter than Indian (80.9; 78.4 to 83.4), Pakistani (79.3; 76.9 to 81.6), Chinese (79.0; 76.5 to 81.5), Other White British (78.9; 78.6 to 79.2) and Other White (77.2; 76.4 to 78.1). "
  • I'm pleased I advised taking Emily Thornberry at 28-1 for next Labour leader.That was a leader's speech if ever I saw one.There's still 6-1 available and after that performance 6s is too big too.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,220
    Very split reaction. Skinner looked furious !
  • BromBrom Posts: 3,760

    I'm pleased I advised taking Emily Thornberry at 28-1 for next Labour leader.That was a leader's speech if ever I saw one.There's still 6-1 available and after that performance 6s is too big too.

    She will forever be haunted by Flag-gate. The Tories will be very lucky if she becomes Labour leader.
  • Comrades, do not believe the deceitful smears vomited by the capitalist pigdog press barons!

    Chairman Corbyn continues to enjoy the unanimous support of all commissars of the Politburo. The very uniformity of thinking was proven by the spontaneous flag-waving enjoyed by everyone later that same day.

    The People's Labour Party remains utterly united. Everyone loves the Supreme Leader, and he loves everyone, even those misguided fools guilty of wrongthink get to enjoy their re-education in the luxurious camps of Siberia.

    But the people are begging to know of the Supreme Leader : why has Comrade Starmer vanished from our official conference photo, and commemorative mug and travel pack ?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,220
    To be honest, say what you like about May but I think she's probably the best leader available amongst the current mediocrities.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    That's it folks, time to cancel Brexit.
  • Comrade Oracle, who is this 'Comrade Starmer' to which you refer? Clearly, this is a fictitious character invented by the bourgeois rightwing capitalists to try and sow the seeds of discontent by hijacking the image of re-education camp attendee #31266 in the obvious fraudulent pretence that he is some sort of party official.
  • Hertsmere_PubgoerHertsmere_Pubgoer Posts: 3,476
    edited September 2018

    Comrade Oracle, who is this 'Comrade Starmer' to which you refer? Clearly, this is a fictitious character invented by the bourgeois rightwing capitalists to try and sow the seeds of discontent by hijacking the image of re-education camp attendee #31266 in the obvious fraudulent pretence that he is some sort of party official.

    I wish the BBC would show a repeat of Comrade Dad starring George Cole.
  • Brom said:

    I'm pleased I advised taking Emily Thornberry at 28-1 for next Labour leader.That was a leader's speech if ever I saw one.There's still 6-1 available and after that performance 6s is too big too.

    She will forever be haunted by Flag-gate. The Tories will be very lucky if she becomes Labour leader.
    She comes across as very smug.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,362

    The decline in longevity is over the last few years, so not reflecting migration. In any case, Most BME groups have longer life expectancy than white BritonsScots..

    https://jech.bmj.com/content/70/12/1251

    Fixed it for you.

    Worked to death by their oppressors to fund the largesse down south
  • Fooling fewer of the people less of the time?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,749

    Brom said:

    I'm pleased I advised taking Emily Thornberry at 28-1 for next Labour leader.That was a leader's speech if ever I saw one.There's still 6-1 available and after that performance 6s is too big too.

    She will forever be haunted by Flag-gate. The Tories will be very lucky if she becomes Labour leader.
    She comes across as very smug.
    Should win over many Tories in swing seats then :)
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,237
    What I can't decide is whether he actually believes what he's saying, or whether he's simply promotional by nature.

    Is he, to put it another way, Elizabeth Holmes or simply your average startup founder?
  • rcs1000 said:

    What I can't decide is whether he actually believes what he's saying, or whether he's simply promotional by nature.

    Is he, to put it another way, Elizabeth Holmes or simply your average startup founder?
    Surprised he didn't have a table of Trump steaks next to him and tried to flog them as well...
  • rcs1000 said:

    What I can't decide is whether he actually believes what he's saying, or whether he's simply promotional by nature.

    Is he, to put it another way, Elizabeth Holmes or simply your average startup founder?
    A few weeks ago I met someone who has dealt with Donald Trump, he said he has the same issue as Jeffrey Archer.

    If he invested a pound and it turned into a return of £ 1 million he'd tell the world he invested a penny and returned £ 10 million.
  • Comrade Oracle, who is this 'Comrade Starmer' to which you refer? Clearly, this is a fictitious character invented by the bourgeois rightwing capitalists to try and sow the seeds of discontent by hijacking the image of re-education camp attendee #31266 in the obvious fraudulent pretence that he is some sort of party official.

    I stand corrected, Comrade Dancer, and now see that Comrade Starmer is the fictitious creation of imperialist sources; also now accepting any sanction handed as down to me by the central committee.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,615
    No-one's ruling it out...except the 2017 manifesto
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,700
    edited September 2018
    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/1044612290107117568

    Says a Canada style deal will lead to the break up of the UK.
  • Theresa May says a Canada style deal will lead to the break up of the UK

    Is she talking now or is that just a random observation?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936

    twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/1044612290107117568

    Says a Canada style deal will lead to the break up of the UK.

    What's the source? Hard to tell from the image.
  • RobD said:

    twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/1044612290107117568

    Says a Canada style deal will lead to the break up of the UK.

    What's the source? Hard to tell from the image.
    Talking to journalists on the flight to the UN.

    https://news.sky.com/story/theresa-may-no-brexit-deal-better-than-a-canada-style-one-11508434
  • Rob/William

    The prime minister has said a no deal Brexit would be better than a Canada-style deal proposed by rebel Brexiteers, which she claims would lead to the break-up of the UK.

    Speaking during her flight to the UN General Assembly in New York, Theresa May also hit out at Labour, saying the party would "accept any deal Europe gives, regardless of how bad it is for the UK".


    Asked directly by reporters whether no deal would be better than a free trade agreement like that agreed between the EU and Canada, Mrs. May said: "I've always said no deal is better than a bad deal, and I think a bad deal, for example, would be something that broke up the United Kingdom.

    "What we've put on the table is a good deal. It's a deal which retains the union of the UK, our constitutional integrity, it's a deal which provides for no hard border between Northern Ireland and Ireland, protects jobs and enables us to have good trade relationship with Europe and the rest of the world."

    https://news.sky.com/story/theresa-may-no-brexit-deal-better-than-a-canada-style-one-11508434
  • Meanwhile...

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/25/brexit-transition-period-too-short-angela-merkel

    Merkel said the terms needed to be nailed down now “concretely” in the speech to German industrialists in Berlin.

    She told business leaders the goal was “to formulate future relations with the UK as concretely as possible”. She said otherwise the transition period would “very quickly become too short” to conclude what was likely to be a “very intensive” set of negotiations.

    “Playing for time, I believe, also doesn’t help the business community, because the business community needs clarity,” Merkel said. “We have six to eight weeks of very hard work ahead of us in which we have to take the political decisions. A lot depends on what Britain really wants.”
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited September 2018
  • Mr. Eagles, on that May line: why does she think Canada worse than no deal? It can't be because of a hard border, because that'd exist with no deal.
  • F1: rumour Vandoorne's off to Formula E.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621

    Mr. Eagles, on that May line: why does she think Canada worse than no deal? It can't be because of a hard border, because that'd exist with no deal.

    She has painted herself into a corner. There is nowhere to go other than a humiliating climbdown. A resignation-level climbdown.

    Then we are all well and truly shafted.
  • Mr. Anorak, well, quite. She has been a bit careless laying the minefield, only to find she's now trapped herself on a small hillock.
  • Mr. Eagles, on that May line: why does she think Canada worse than no deal? It can't be because of a hard border, because that'd exist with no deal.

    It's the Jim Jones doctrine of revolutionary suicide.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621

    Mr. Anorak, well, quite. She has been a bit careless laying the minefield, only to find she's now trapped herself on a small hillock.

    Without a map, after spinning round 10 times, in the dark, and in the path of a tornado.
  • Anorak said:

    Mr. Eagles, on that May line: why does she think Canada worse than no deal? It can't be because of a hard border, because that'd exist with no deal.

    She has painted herself into a corner. There is nowhere to go other than a humiliating climbdown. A resignation-level climbdown.

    Then we are all well and truly shafted.
    I suspect it is the Irish sea border that is non negotiable - she has said it many times.

    The interesting thing is that so far she has a united cabinet which contains Brexiteers

    If Raab, Gove, Mordaunt, or McVey resigned over her deal that would be her crisis but until that happens I see no chance of a resignation
  • Mr. Anorak, could be worse, to be fair.

    And by worse, I mean Boris. Or Corbyn.
  • saddosaddo Posts: 534

    Rob/William

    The prime minister has said a no deal Brexit would be better than a Canada-style deal proposed by rebel Brexiteers, which she claims would lead to the break-up of the UK.

    Speaking during her flight to the UN General Assembly in New York, Theresa May also hit out at Labour, saying the party would "accept any deal Europe gives, regardless of how bad it is for the UK".


    Asked directly by reporters whether no deal would be better than a free trade agreement like that agreed between the EU and Canada, Mrs. May said: "I've always said no deal is better than a bad deal, and I think a bad deal, for example, would be something that broke up the United Kingdom.

    "What we've put on the table is a good deal. It's a deal which retains the union of the UK, our constitutional integrity, it's a deal which provides for no hard border between Northern Ireland and Ireland, protects jobs and enables us to have good trade relationship with Europe and the rest of the world."

    https://news.sky.com/story/theresa-may-no-brexit-deal-better-than-a-canada-style-one-11508434

    The state of this deluded woman. She's going have to go.
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    Anorak said:

    Mr. Anorak, well, quite. She has been a bit careless laying the minefield, only to find she's now trapped herself on a small hillock.

    Without a map, after spinning round 10 times, in the dark, and in the path of a tornado.
    Genius!
    Wait for the tornado arrive, it picks you up and drops you off safely outside the minefield. I can't believe she could come up with such a successful and cunning plan.
  • Well fancy that:

    https://twitter.com/simonjhix/status/1044492403523170304

    The whole article is well worth a read too.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,749
    philiph said:

    Anorak said:

    Mr. Anorak, well, quite. She has been a bit careless laying the minefield, only to find she's now trapped herself on a small hillock.

    Without a map, after spinning round 10 times, in the dark, and in the path of a tornado.
    Genius!
    Wait for the tornado arrive, it picks you up and drops you off safely outside the minefield. I can't believe she could come up with such a successful and cunning plan.
    We're not in Kansas anymore.
  • Speaking during her flight to the UN General Assembly in New York, Theresa May also hit out at Labour, saying the party would "accept any deal Europe gives, regardless of how bad it is for the UK".

    This attack line doesn't work if they are also saying that Labour don't accept the referendum result.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    @logical_song FPT

    Asil Nadir: the Tories accepted a donation from a company which had significant legitimate businesses. The company subsequently went bankrupt because of fraud/theft by its ceo

    Michael Brown: a convicted fraudster stole some money from pensioners. He gave some of that stolen money to the LibDems.

    Fundamentally the Tories associated with an unsavoury character. The LibDems benefited from the proceeds of crime. Those are very different.

  • saddo said:

    Rob/William

    The prime minister has said a no deal Brexit would be better than a Canada-style deal proposed by rebel Brexiteers, which she claims would lead to the break-up of the UK.

    Speaking during her flight to the UN General Assembly in New York, Theresa May also hit out at Labour, saying the party would "accept any deal Europe gives, regardless of how bad it is for the UK".


    Asked directly by reporters whether no deal would be better than a free trade agreement like that agreed between the EU and Canada, Mrs. May said: "I've always said no deal is better than a bad deal, and I think a bad deal, for example, would be something that broke up the United Kingdom.

    "What we've put on the table is a good deal. It's a deal which retains the union of the UK, our constitutional integrity, it's a deal which provides for no hard border between Northern Ireland and Ireland, protects jobs and enables us to have good trade relationship with Europe and the rest of the world."

    https://news.sky.com/story/theresa-may-no-brexit-deal-better-than-a-canada-style-one-11508434

    The state of this deluded woman. She's going have to go.
    And if she gets a deal
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621

    Anorak said:

    Mr. Eagles, on that May line: why does she think Canada worse than no deal? It can't be because of a hard border, because that'd exist with no deal.

    She has painted herself into a corner. There is nowhere to go other than a humiliating climbdown. A resignation-level climbdown.

    Then we are all well and truly shafted.
    I suspect it is the Irish sea border that is non negotiable - she has said it many times.

    The interesting thing is that so far she has a united cabinet which contains Brexiteers

    If Raab, Gove, Mordaunt, or McVey resigned over her deal that would be her crisis but until that happens I see no chance of a resignation
    Hmmm. And yet No.10 was briefing that it was only the intransigence of the DUP that scuppered things.

    As I said, painted herself into a corner when she didn't need to. Yet again.
  • Anorak said:

    Mr. Eagles, on that May line: why does she think Canada worse than no deal? It can't be because of a hard border, because that'd exist with no deal.

    She has painted herself into a corner. There is nowhere to go other than a humiliating climbdown. A resignation-level climbdown.

    Then we are all well and truly shafted.
    I suspect it is the Irish sea border that is non negotiable - she has said it many times.

    The interesting thing is that so far she has a united cabinet which contains Brexiteers

    If Raab, Gove, Mordaunt, or McVey resigned over her deal that would be her crisis but until that happens I see no chance of a resignation
    Yes but the EU have said they won't give any deal including hers without that either.
  • Mr. Anorak, could be worse, to be fair.

    And by worse, I mean Boris. Or Corbyn.

    JRM would be worse than those two combined.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,628
    Foxy said:



    The decline in longevity is over the last few years, so not reflecting migration. In any case, Most BME groups have longer life expectancy than white BritonsScots..

    https://jech.bmj.com/content/70/12/1251

    Fixed it for you.

    It was a Scottish study but the figures include a seperate tab for White British. Better longevity than the Scots, but not as good as British Asians.

    "The life expectancy of White Scottish males at birth was 74.7 years (95% CI 74.6 to 74.8), similar to Mixed Background (73.0; 70.2 to 75.8) and White Irish (75.0; 74.0 to 75.9), but shorter than Indian (80.9; 78.4 to 83.4), Pakistani (79.3; 76.9 to 81.6), Chinese (79.0; 76.5 to 81.5), Other White British (78.9; 78.6 to 79.2) and Other White (77.2; 76.4 to 78.1). "
    It's still restricted to samples in the Scottish 2001 Census. There may be an issue with Scottish sub-samples.....

    The divergence from the places they have left is dramtatic - and suspect. Life expectency in India in 2018 is 165th out of 228 countries at a little over 69 - not the 80.9 they found. In 2018, Pakistan is 169 out of 228 countries worldwide for life expectency at 68. By way of contrast, the UK is 29th at 81.

    For example, the report doesn't cover mortality from anyone of African or Caribbean origin. I'm not sure you can rely on these numbers for UK wide effects on longevity. Somalia is 220th of 226 in the world at 53. Afghanistan 224th at 52. Both have recordable numbers present across the UK, if not perhaps in Scotland.

    http://www.geoba.se/population.php?pc=world&type=015&year=2018&st=rank&asde=&page=2
  • saddo said:

    Rob/William

    The prime minister has said a no deal Brexit would be better than a Canada-style deal proposed by rebel Brexiteers, which she claims would lead to the break-up of the UK.

    Speaking during her flight to the UN General Assembly in New York, Theresa May also hit out at Labour, saying the party would "accept any deal Europe gives, regardless of how bad it is for the UK".


    Asked directly by reporters whether no deal would be better than a free trade agreement like that agreed between the EU and Canada, Mrs. May said: "I've always said no deal is better than a bad deal, and I think a bad deal, for example, would be something that broke up the United Kingdom.

    "What we've put on the table is a good deal. It's a deal which retains the union of the UK, our constitutional integrity, it's a deal which provides for no hard border between Northern Ireland and Ireland, protects jobs and enables us to have good trade relationship with Europe and the rest of the world."

    https://news.sky.com/story/theresa-may-no-brexit-deal-better-than-a-canada-style-one-11508434

    The state of this deluded woman. She's going have to go.
    And if she gets a deal
    How many times does she have to be told by EU leaders: Chequers breaks our vision of the SM and we wont accept it?

    She is deluded and will lead us over the cliff.
  • Rob/William

    The prime minister has said a no deal Brexit would be better than a Canada-style deal proposed by rebel Brexiteers, which she claims would lead to the break-up of the UK.

    Speaking during her flight to the UN General Assembly in New York, Theresa May also hit out at Labour, saying the party would "accept any deal Europe gives, regardless of how bad it is for the UK".


    Asked directly by reporters whether no deal would be better than a free trade agreement like that agreed between the EU and Canada, Mrs. May said: "I've always said no deal is better than a bad deal, and I think a bad deal, for example, would be something that broke up the United Kingdom.

    "What we've put on the table is a good deal. It's a deal which retains the union of the UK, our constitutional integrity, it's a deal which provides for no hard border between Northern Ireland and Ireland, protects jobs and enables us to have good trade relationship with Europe and the rest of the world."

    https://news.sky.com/story/theresa-may-no-brexit-deal-better-than-a-canada-style-one-11508434

    That looks tactically astute. Theresa May is using the headbangers' own arguments against them, pointing out a big supposed negative of their suggested deal.

    I expect there's an element of RIADBEC after the way they trashed her own proposals in the summer.
  • https://twitter.com/jackamayorcas/status/1044606840334684161

    So only a few minutes after Thornberry told the party it had to tackle its racist fringe.
  • Well fancy that:

    https://twitter.com/simonjhix/status/1044492403523170304

    The whole article is well worth a read too.

    To be honest I have no problem with immigration as long as it meets our needs.

    I do think we need to increase immigration and I am relaxed from where it comes as long as they integrate into our communities
  • Covering all bases:

    https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1044618130587357185

    I expect this is tactically astute too.
  • Corbyn hedging on voting down the deal on BBC
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,293
    edited September 2018
    "Not ruling it out" (ie keeping your options open) isn't the same as it actually happening.

    Looks like this is just a "holding position" to get through conference.

    I'm confident Jezza (who was eurosceptic before even Farage) will save Brexit for us in the end! :D
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621

    I expect there's an element of RIADBEC after the way they trashed her own proposals in the summer.

    RIADBEC? Can you enlighten me?

    Ah. No. Got it. And surely RIADBSC is correct.

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,628

    Anorak said:

    Mr. Eagles, on that May line: why does she think Canada worse than no deal? It can't be because of a hard border, because that'd exist with no deal.

    She has painted herself into a corner. There is nowhere to go other than a humiliating climbdown. A resignation-level climbdown.

    Then we are all well and truly shafted.
    I suspect it is the Irish sea border that is non negotiable - she has said it many times.

    The interesting thing is that so far she has a united cabinet which contains Brexiteers

    If Raab, Gove, Mordaunt, or McVey resigned over her deal that would be her crisis but until that happens I see no chance of a resignation
    Or Javid. That would the sign we were off to the races - and May was off to the knackers yard....
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    rcs1000 said:

    What I can't decide is whether he actually believes what he's saying, or whether he's simply promotional by nature.

    Is he, to put it another way, Elizabeth Holmes or simply your average startup founder?
    Do you think that Elizabeth Holmes believed what she was saying?

    I think she was a narcissist and fraudster obsessed with her status and wealth
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,628

    Covering all bases:

    https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1044618130587357185

    I expect this is tactically astute too.

    The LibDems tried to be all things to all men.

    They went down to 8 seats.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,206
    If Labour formed the next government and held a second EU referendum Remain could well beat No Deal if that was where we were but a Norway or Canada option would likely beat Remain if they were alternatives
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,819
    Anorak said:

    I expect there's an element of RIADBEC after the way they trashed her own proposals in the summer.

    RIADBEC? Can you enlighten me?

    Ah. No. Got it. And surely RIADBSC is correct.

    I haven't and it is bugging me.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    kjh said:

    Anorak said:

    I expect there's an element of RIADBEC after the way they trashed her own proposals in the summer.

    RIADBEC? Can you enlighten me?

    Ah. No. Got it. And surely RIADBSC is correct.

    I haven't and it is bugging me.
    Best Served Cold.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Rob/William

    The prime minister has said a no deal Brexit would be better than a Canada-style deal proposed by rebel Brexiteers, which she claims would lead to the break-up of the UK.

    Speaking during her flight to the UN General Assembly in New York, Theresa May also hit out at Labour, saying the party would "accept any deal Europe gives, regardless of how bad it is for the UK".


    Asked directly by reporters whether no deal would be better than a free trade agreement like that agreed between the EU and Canada, Mrs. May said: "I've always said no deal is better than a bad deal, and I think a bad deal, for example, would be something that broke up the United Kingdom.

    "What we've put on the table is a good deal. It's a deal which retains the union of the UK, our constitutional integrity, it's a deal which provides for no hard border between Northern Ireland and Ireland, protects jobs and enables us to have good trade relationship with Europe and the rest of the world."

    https://news.sky.com/story/theresa-may-no-brexit-deal-better-than-a-canada-style-one-11508434

    So the headline is bullshit then.
  • Well fancy that:

    https://twitter.com/simonjhix/status/1044492403523170304

    The whole article is well worth a read too.

    To be honest I have no problem with immigration as long as it meets our needs.

    I do think we need to increase immigration and I am relaxed from where it comes as long as they integrate into our communities
    "What’s striking – and no one is talking about – is that British voters prefer EU to non-EU migrants:"

    There may be trouble ahead...
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,293
    It's all a bit different from when he was demanding A50 be triggered the morning after the Brexit vote isn't it? :D
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,819
    Anorak said:

    kjh said:

    Anorak said:

    I expect there's an element of RIADBEC after the way they trashed her own proposals in the summer.

    RIADBEC? Can you enlighten me?

    Ah. No. Got it. And surely RIADBSC is correct.

    I haven't and it is bugging me.
    Best Served Cold.
    Cheers.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,206

    RobD said:

    twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/1044612290107117568

    Says a Canada style deal will lead to the break up of the UK.

    What's the source? Hard to tell from the image.
    Talking to journalists on the flight to the UN.

    https://news.sky.com/story/theresa-may-no-brexit-deal-better-than-a-canada-style-one-11508434
    Perhaps you have been right all along William Glenn, May is the Remainer she always was and knows No Deal means Remain will comfortably win a second EU referendum sooner rather than later and RIP Brexit.

    However if she denies Brexiteers the chance of trying for a Canada style FTA and a sustainable Brexit her days as Tory leader and PM are surely numbered
  • HYUFD said:

    If Labour formed the next government and held a second EU referendum Remain could well beat No Deal if that was where we were but a Norway or Canada option would likely beat Remain if they were alternatives

    While I do not see a GE Corbyn hedging on voting just now raised a point that could be interesting.

    He will have seen the overwhelming support for remain in the conference hall today and the gauntlet Starmer has laid down and he may well come to the conclusion voting down TM deal could lead to a second referendum and the UK remaining. That would be a catastrophe for him so maybe abstain the deal and be out rather than risk remain
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    edited September 2018
    As a kid I saw on our family farm a couple of chickens beheaded to prepare them for our Sunday dinner. They would have run around bumping into things if my uncle hadn't popped them upside down in a bucket.
  • The Speccie seems to think Thornberry's speech was a leadership pitch and some think Starmer's speech was too. Is there a vacancy?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,749
    GIN1138 said:

    It's all a bit different from when he was demanding A50 be triggered the morning after the Brexit vote isn't it? :D
    That was before May squandered the 2 years of negotiating though.
  • Charles said:

    rcs1000 said:

    What I can't decide is whether he actually believes what he's saying, or whether he's simply promotional by nature.

    Is he, to put it another way, Elizabeth Holmes or simply your average startup founder?
    Do you think that Elizabeth Holmes believed what she was saying?

    I think she was a narcissist and fraudster obsessed with her status and wealth
    My view: at first, she did believe it. She wanted to do something amazing. She thought that a medical device to measure loads of things from a tiny drop of blood would be amazing, so she set out to make it. Despite not having much experience in that sort of area.

    But it turned out that what she wanted was, if not impossible, incredibly difficult to do. Instead of reducing her aims, or refocussing, or just giving up, she continued in the vain hope that something would turn up. In the process she became a ratheer flamboyant fraudster. The obsession with status and wealth was always there (hence the 'I want to do something amazing'), but just grew when silly old men started fawning over her.

    Others may have different opinions. :)
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,690
    edited September 2018

    HYUFD said:

    If Labour formed the next government and held a second EU referendum Remain could well beat No Deal if that was where we were but a Norway or Canada option would likely beat Remain if they were alternatives

    While I do not see a GE Corbyn hedging on voting just now raised a point that could be interesting.

    He will have seen the overwhelming support for remain in the conference hall today and the gauntlet Starmer has laid down and he may well come to the conclusion voting down TM deal could lead to a second referendum and the UK remaining. That would be a catastrophe for him so maybe abstain the deal and be out rather than risk remain
    You really are an optimist.

    There is Zero chance of TM getting a deal through unless it is a customs union.

    Surely you must realise Chequers or similar has no chance of getting through no matter how many wishes you use to make it so.
  • Who is the strange guy that looks like a spitting image puppet nodding like Churchill the Dog, just under one minute in?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,301
    Charles said:

    rcs1000 said:

    What I can't decide is whether he actually believes what he's saying, or whether he's simply promotional by nature.

    Is he, to put it another way, Elizabeth Holmes or simply your average startup founder?
    Do you think that Elizabeth Holmes believed what she was saying?

    I think she was a narcissist and fraudster obsessed with her status and wealth
    So Trump in a dress, then.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,158
    edited September 2018
    Totally incoherent....Peston that is....and Jezza of course.
  • The Speccie seems to think Thornberry's speech was a leadership pitch and some think Starmer's speech was too. Is there a vacancy?

    Starmer is someone a lot of normally-not-Labour voters would lend their vote to
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,301
    Corbyn or Peston ?
    (You surely can’t mean TSE...)

  • HYUFD said:

    If Labour formed the next government and held a second EU referendum Remain could well beat No Deal if that was where we were but a Norway or Canada option would likely beat Remain if they were alternatives

    While I do not see a GE Corbyn hedging on voting just now raised a point that could be interesting.

    He will have seen the overwhelming support for remain in the conference hall today and the gauntlet Starmer has laid down and he may well come to the conclusion voting down TM deal could lead to a second referendum and the UK remaining. That would be a catastrophe for him so maybe abstain the deal and be out rather than risk remain
    You really are an optimist.

    There is Zero chance of TM getting a deal through unless it is a customs union.

    Surely you must realise Chequers or similar has no chance of getting through no matter how many wishes you use to make it so.
    Chequers is a mid way between Norway and Canada and I still believe it will be delivered subject to the cabinet remaining united
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,293
    edited September 2018
    He's just stringing his members and activists along to get through conference...

    As I've thought all the way along in the comfort of his own home (and the polling booth on 23rd June 2016) he's the biggest Brexiteer of them all! :D
  • Who is the strange guy that looks like a spitting image puppet nodding like Churchill the Dog, just under one minute in?

    Stephen Timms MP.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621

    The Speccie seems to think Thornberry's speech was a leadership pitch and some think Starmer's speech was too. Is there a vacancy?

    Starmer is someone a lot of normally-not-Labour voters would lend their vote to
    Which is why he is unelectable to the membership.
  • Totally incoherent....Peston that is....and Jezza of course.
    It is because he is thicker than the average plank
  • GIN1138 said:

    He's just stringing his members and activists along to get through conference...

    As I've thought all the way along in the comfort of his own home (and the polling booth on 23rd June 2016) he's the biggest Brexiteer of them all! :D
    Always has been, always will be.

    It is part of the magic of Magic Grandpa that none of his young followers, who passionately want to be in Europe, are able to notice.
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