Even though I bow to nobody in my loathing and contempt for Murdoch, I can't help but feel this is the greater of two evils.
30 billion. Sky subs on way up
And if Comcast's US reputation is anything to go by, service, neutrality and quality out the window.
On the other hand if Sky do go belly up, at least us plebs might get some live sport back on free to air, even if Premiership footballers go back to earning £5 million instead of £500 million.
I didn't think NBC was viewed as worse than Fox in America except for by the most partisan of Republicans.
Watch it to the end to fully understand why this is such a brutal attack ad
Devastating...
We don't know the family dynamic that is behind this. It might be political - but there is also bound to be a lot of very personal stuff affecting the family relationships.
I find it inappropriate.
One of the brothers has spoken out as to why he hates his sibling, the candidate. Amongst his reasons is that candidate Gosar “attended a rally where he gave a speech for despicable hard right British thug Tommy Robinson”
I’m not joking. Quite bizarre that British street politics have infected Arizona.
I also wonder what the Gosar family would say if they were told WHY Robinson is so thuggish and angry: mainly because 1400 underage white girls in Rotherham (and tens of thousands across the UK) were subject to mass racist gang rape, and sexual trafficking, and sometimes even murder, by predatory gangs of mainly Pakistani males. And this went on for 30 years and was knowingly covered up by the authorities.
I suspect that knowledge would short circuit their brains. How would you even process that revelation from the UK, as a bien pensant Arizonan? I suspect they’d refuse to believe it. Or just fall eerily quiet like some robot presented with a logical fallacy.
Yeah Robinson was so angry he was convicted repeatedly of risking collapsing the trials for people involved.
You seem a little bit hung up on this Rotherham nonsense. Heads have rolled over it and criminals have gone to prison for it. That doesn't justify Robinson in the slightest.
.....The EU will evolve and change - it may become a European Federation or United States of Europe, it may become less integrationist as more sceptical Governments come into power and indeed reverse some of the integration (I think that unlikely but not inconceivable)....
I think it is fairly reasonable to assume that the 2019-2024 european parliament will be more eurosceptic and less integrationist than any from the preceding thirty years.
Migration and Schengen will be dominant issues, but so will the change in budget responsibilities and QMV vote weightings.
Our departure places the onus on others to pick up the bill from 2021 (assuming we don't leave without a deal in 2019) and increases the bloc voting power of the Germans and French in particular.
If it is despite losing British MEPs then that is quite something.
Watch it to the end to fully understand why this is such a brutal attack ad
Devastating...
We don't know the family dynamic that is behind this. It might be political - but there is also bound to be a lot of very personal stuff affecting the family relationships.
I find it inappropriate.
One of the brothers has spoken out as to why he hates his sibling, the candidate. Amongst his reasons is that candidate Gosar “attended a rally where he gave a speech for despicable hard right British thug Tommy Robinson”
I’m not joking. Quite bizarre that British street politics have infected Arizona.
I also wonder what the Gosar family would say if they were told WHY Robinson is so thuggish and angry: mainly because 1400 underage white girls in Rotherham (and tens of thousands across the UK) were subject to mass racist gang rape, and sexual trafficking, and sometimes even murder, by predatory gangs of mainly Pakistani males. And this went on for 30 years and was knowingly covered up by the authorities.
I suspect that knowledge would short circuit their brains. How would you even process that revelation from the UK, as a bien pensant Arizonan? I suspect they’d refuse to believe it. Or just fall eerily quiet like some robot presented with a logical fallacy.
Yeah Robinson was so angry he was convicted repeatedly of risking collapsing the trials for people involved.
You seem a little bit hung up on this Rotherham nonsense. Heads have rolled over it and criminals have gone to prison for it. That doesn't justify Robinson in the slightest.
“Hung up on this Rotherham nonsense”
That’s a keeper.
Yeah keep it. I will too. I bet you this time in 12 months you'll still be banging on about Rotherham which shows its rather one terrible crime terribly handled rather than an ongoing endemic.
If this had happened again in Leicester and everywhere else you wouldn't still be banging on about Rotherham like a broken record. As if there's never been crime in this country however appalling before.
I do not see that happening in the foreseable future let alone in 30 years time
We need to leave the EU either under Chequers or +++ or Canada +++ to experience the economic realities, possible good but equally not, before a consensus to re join becomes a political possibility.
Unless we leave it will be a constant division across the nation. We just have to get on with it
I'm emphatically NOT suggesting we shouldn't leave - I voted to LEAVE and leave we must under as reasonable a set of terms for all sides as possible.
My point is the Conservatives were, not so long ago, the more pro-European of the two main parties - we joined under a Conservative PM, Thatcher actively campaigned to keep us in the EEC in 1975. Yes, you may well argue the EEC's metamorphosis into the EU changed things and led to changes in Conservative attitudes.
The only constant is change - the direction of travel of the EU at this point may not engender a concensus toward re-joining but as any sensible politician should always say "never say never". The EU will evolve and change - it may become a European Federation or United States of Europe, it may become less integrationist as more sceptical Governments come into power and indeed reverse some of the integration (I think that unlikely but not inconceivable).
We do not know what life outside the EU will be like - I'm pretty sure we won't be eating roots or living in mud huts five days after leaving the EU but over a 10-20 year period, it will become clear whether we made the right decision or not.
IF we get it right, it will encourage divergent tensions within the EU - if we are wrong, our political concensus will quickly evolve. The Conservative Party which you support has rightly prided itself on being a pragmatic movement - IF it becomes incontrovertibly clear that leaving the EU was a mistake, there will be a change in policy.
I think that it is likely that we could only re-enter the EU (post Brexit) via a bipartisan approach. Otherwise the EU would not accept the application. That would require either a change of position by the Conservative Party, or it ceasing to exist in its current form.
Far more chance of that happening to labour, indeed once Corbyn has axed any chance of a second referendum it could be swift
My point is that in order to rejoin, the application would have to be supported by both sides of the House, not just one. Otherwise it would most likely be rejected by the EU.
.....The EU will evolve and change - it may become a European Federation or United States of Europe, it may become less integrationist as more sceptical Governments come into power and indeed reverse some of the integration (I think that unlikely but not inconceivable)....
I think it is fairly reasonable to assume that the 2019-2024 european parliament will be more eurosceptic and less integrationist than any from the preceding thirty years.
Migration and Schengen will be dominant issues, but so will the change in budget responsibilities and QMV vote weightings.
Our departure places the onus on others to pick up the bill from 2021 (assuming we don't leave without a deal in 2019) and increases the bloc voting power of the Germans and French in particular.
If it is despite losing British MEPs then that is quite something.
If the euro elections follow the pattern of the various national elections since 2014 I would imagine that there will be a stronger contingency of eurosceptic members, whether from the right over FoM and Schengen, or the left over budgetary discipline and austerity.
I have a suspicion that the eurosceptic parties have a track record of performing to a higher level in EU elections than domestic ones.
To me it depends on the question of "do the voters in these countries decide to punish the established parties by voting for the fringe parties to punish the main parties for their dissatisfaction."
If they do it could be a radically different composition, AFD getting 30% of the vote to send a message to Merkel.
In rather brilliant news today, JAXA (the Japanese Space Agency) have managed to 'land' two 'rovers' on the surface of asteroid Ryugu.
The rovers have taken their first photographs and at least one is mobile. Because of the asteroid's low gravity, the rovers 'hop' around the surface rather than drive.
This is quite an amazing achievement by JAXA; next they have to land a third rover, land their spacecraft, collect a sample, and then return to Earth. Easy peasy!
What the holy fuck are you on about? Are you literally unaware that Rotherham style crimes (and now, belatedly, trials) have occurred across the UK? And that conservative estimates of the numbers of victims are in the tens of thousands?
My god. You’re an actual proper 100% idiot. Lol.
Yes I am aware that crime happens. I'm not hung up on cherry picking only one race's crimes. There have been Rotherham style crimes that have entirely consisted of White British males. Are you aware of that or are you an actual proper 100% idiot? Lol.
In rather brilliant news today, JAXA (the Japanese Space Agency) have managed to 'land' two 'rovers' on the surface of asteroid Ryugu.
The rovers have taken their first photographs and at least one is mobile. Because of the asteroid's low gravity, the rovers 'hop' around the surface rather than drive.
This is quite an amazing achievement by JAXA; next they have to land a third rover, land their spacecraft, collect a sample, and then return to Earth. Easy peasy!
Watch it to the end to fully understand why this is such a brutal attack ad
Devastating...
We don't know the family dynamic that is behind this. It might be political - but there is also bound to be a lot of very personal stuff affecting the family relationships.
I find it inappropriate.
One of the brothers has spoken out as to why he hates his sibling, the candidate. Amongst his reasons is that candidate Gosar “attended a rally where he gave a speech for despicable hard right British thug Tommy Robinson”
I’m not joking. Quite bizarre that British street politics have infected Arizona.
I also wonder what the Gosar family would say if they were told WHY Robinson is so thuggish and angry: mainly because 1400 underage white girls in Rotherham (and tens of thousands across the UK) were subject to mass racist gang rape, and sexual trafficking, and sometimes even murder, by predatory gangs of mainly Pakistani males. And this went on for 30 years and was knowingly covered up by the authorities.
I suspect that knowledge would short circuit their brains. How would you even process that revelation from the UK, as a bien pensant Arizonan? I suspect they’d refuse to believe it. Or just fall eerily quiet like some robot presented with a logical fallacy.
Nothing excuses fascism. No cause justifies it, ever. None.
I agree entirely. I also don’t think Robinson is a fascist. I think he’s a smart but badly educated white working class erhnocentric Brit, with bad judgement and a bad temper, who has enraged the PC Establishment, which wants him silenced, because he focuses relentlessly and sometimes effectively on this incendiary issue,
He’s behaved idiotically. But he also has rational reasons to be angry. As does anyone with relatives who fell victim to this grooming.
Watch it to the end to fully understand why this is such a brutal attack ad
Devastating...
We don't know the family dynamic that is behind this. It might be political - but there is also bound to be a lot of very personal stuff affecting the family relationships.
I find it inappropriate.
One of the brothers has spoken out as to why he hates his sibling, the candidate. Amongst his reasons is that candidate Gosar “attended a rally where he gave a speech for despicable hard right British thug Tommy Robinson”
I’m not joking. Quite bizarre that British street politics have infected Arizona.
I also wonder what the Gosar family would say if they were told WHY Robinson is so thuggish and angry: mainly because 1400 underage white girls in Rotherham (and tens of thousands across the UK) were subject to mass racist gang rape, and sexual trafficking, and sometimes even murder, by predatory gangs of mainly Pakistani males. And this went on for 30 years and was knowingly covered up by the authorities.
I suspect that knowledge would short circuit their brains. How would you even process that revelation from the UK, as a bien pensant Arizonan? I suspect they’d refuse to believe it. Or just fall eerily quiet like some robot presented with a logical fallacy.
‘Among his reasons’ is doing quite a bit of work there.
Watch it to the end to fully understand why this is such a brutal attack ad
Devastating...
We don't know the family dynamic that is behind this. It might be political - but there is also bound to be a lot of very personal stuff affecting the family relationships.
I find it inappropriate.
One of the brothers has spoken out as to why he hates his sibling, the candidate. Amongst his reasons is that candidate Gosar “attended a rally where he gave a speech for despicable hard right British thug Tommy Robinson”
I’m not joking. Quite bizarre that British street politics have infected Arizona.
I also wonder what the Gosar family would say if they were told WHY Robinson is so thuggish and angry: mainly because 1400 underage white girls in Rotherham (and tens of thousands across the UK) were subject to mass racist gang rape, and sexual trafficking, and sometimes even murder, by predatory gangs of mainly Pakistani males. And this went on for 30 years and was knowingly covered up by the authorities.
I suspect that knowledge would short circuit their brains. How would you even process that revelation from the UK, as a bien pensant Arizonan? I suspect they’d refuse to believe it. Or just fall eerily quiet like some robot presented with a logical fallacy.
Nothing excuses fascism...
On occasionally gets the impression that Sean does.
Watch it to the end to fully understand why this is such a brutal attack ad
Devastating...
We don't know the family dynamic that is behind this. It might be political - but there is also bound to be a lot of very personal stuff affecting the family relationships.
I find it inappropriate.
One of the brothers has spoken out as to why he hates his sibling, the candidate. Amongst his reasons is that candidate Gosar “attended a rally where he gave a speech for despicable hard right British thug Tommy Robinson”
I’m not joking. Quite bizarre that British street politics have infected Arizona.
I also wonder what the Gosar family would say if they were told WHY Robinson is so thuggish and angry: mainly because 1400 underage white girls in Rotherham (and tens of thousands across the UK) were subject to mass racist gang rape, and sexual trafficking, and sometimes even murder, by predatory gangs of mainly Pakistani males. And this went on for 30 years and was knowingly covered up by the authorities.
I suspect that knowledge would short circuit their brains. How would you even process that revelation from the UK, as a bien pensant Arizonan? I suspect they’d refuse to believe it. Or just fall eerily quiet like some robot presented with a logical fallacy.
Nothing excuses fascism...
On occasionally gets the impression that Sean does.
It of withw noting that the Democrats lost s Texas House seat to the Republicans this week, which suggests not all is well in the Texas Democratic party.
There is that, but there is perhaps a large element of the Democrat being punished for the (literal) crimes of his predecessor ? I’m not convinced it says a great deal about the Senate race.
Watch it to the end to fully understand why this is such a brutal attack ad
Devastating...
We don't know the family dynamic that is behind this. It might be political - but there is also bound to be a lot of very personal stuff affecting the family relationships.
I find it inappropriate.
One of the brothers has spoken out as to why he hates his sibling, the candidate. Amongst his reasons is that candidate Gosar “attended a rally where he gave a speech for despicable hard right British thug Tommy Robinson”
I’m not joking. Quite bizarre that British street politics have infected Arizona.
I also wonder what the Gosar family would say if they were told WHY Robinson is so thuggish and angry: mainly because 1400 underage white girls in Rotherham (and tens of thousands across the UK) were subject to mass racist gang rape, and sexual trafficking, and sometimes even murder, by predatory gangs of mainly Pakistani males. And this went on for 30 years and was knowingly covered up by the authorities.
I suspect that knowledge would short circuit their brains. How would you even process that revelation from the UK, as a bien pensant Arizonan? I suspect they’d refuse to believe it. Or just fall eerily quiet like some robot presented with a logical fallacy.
Yeah Robinson was so angry he was convicted repeatedly of risking collapsing the trials for people involved.
You seem a little bit hung up on this Rotherham nonsense. Heads have rolled over it and criminals have gone to prison for it. That doesn't justify Robinson in the slightest.
“Hung up on this Rotherham nonsense”
That’s a keeper.
Yeah keep it. I will too. I bet you this time in 12 months you'll still be banging on about Rotherham which shows its rather one terrible crime terribly handled rather than an ongoing endemic.
If this had happened again in Leicester and everywhere else you wouldn't still be banging on about Rotherham like a broken record. As if there's never been crime in this country however appalling before.
1 crime....... - feck me someone must have not been paying attention
Watch it to the end to fully understand why this is such a brutal attack ad
Devastating...
We don't know the family dynamic that is behind this. It might be political - but there is also bound to be a lot of very personal stuff affecting the family relationships.
I find it inappropriate.
One of the brothers has spoken out as to why he hates his sibling, the candidate. Amongst his reasons is that candidate Gosar “attended a rally where he gave a speech for despicable hard right British thug Tommy Robinson”
I’m not joking. Quite bizarre that British street politics have infected Arizona.
I also wonder what the Gosar family would say if they were told WHY Robinson is so thuggish and angry: mainly because 1400 underage white girls in Rotherham (and tens of thousands across the UK) were subject to mass racist gang rape, and sexual trafficking, and sometimes even murder, by predatory gangs of mainly Pakistani males. And this went on for 30 years and was knowingly covered up by the authorities.
I suspect that knowledge would short circuit their brains. How would you even process that revelation from the UK, as a bien pensant Arizonan? I suspect they’d refuse to believe it. Or just fall eerily quiet like some robot presented with a logical fallacy.
Nothing excuses fascism. No cause justifies it, ever. None.
I agree entirely. I also don’t think Robinson is a fascist. I think he’s a smart but badly educated white working class erhnocentric Brit, with bad judgement and a bad temper, who has enraged the PC Establishment, which wants him silenced, because he focuses relentlessly and sometimes effectively on this incendiary issue,
He’s behaved idiotically. But he also has rational reasons to be angry. As does anyone with relatives who fell victim to this grooming.
Mate, if it looks like a duck...
I was on call the day of the EDL rally in Leicester, and the counter demonstration.
TR and the EDL are not fascists, just dickheads who like threatening and intimidating people. The correct response to crimes like Rotherham is prosecution not attempting to smash up a city centre by provoking a riot.
It reminded my receptionist that day (Leicester born, West Indian parents) of the bad old days when the National Front used to beat up her friends and family. I shall not forget the fear in her face, a fear as a white man, I have never felt. I shall not forgive TR and the EDL for that.
I think that it is likely that we could only re-enter the EU (post Brexit) via a bipartisan approach. Otherwise the EU would not accept the application. That would require either a change of position by the Conservative Party, or it ceasing to exist in its current form.
Indeed and it would also require Labour to change from the position of the current leadership which is to support leaving. With the benefit of Opposition (and perhaps a more extended period if the 2022 election with Corbyn at the helm goes the way many on here expect it to), a substantial re-alignment of Labour might well include a revised commitment to seek terms to re-join the EU.
IF it becomes clear leaving the EU is not to Britain's economic advantage such a position under a new leader could look very attractive set against a tired looking Conservative Party after more than a decade and a half in Government.
One of the brothers has spoken out as to why he hates his sibling, the candidate. Amongst his reasons is that candidate Gosar “attended a rally where he gave a speech for despicable hard right British thug Tommy Robinson”
I’m not joking. Quite bizarre that British street politics have infected Arizona.
I also wonder what the Gosar family would say if they were told WHY Robinson is so thuggish and angry: mainly because 1400 underage white girls in Rotherham (and tens of thousands across the UK) were subject to mass racist gang rape, and sexual trafficking, and sometimes even murder, by predatory gangs of mainly Pakistani males. And this went on for 30 years and was knowingly covered up by the authorities.
I suspect that knowledge would short circuit their brains. How would you even process that revelation from the UK, as a bien pensant Arizonan? I suspect they’d refuse to believe it. Or just fall eerily quiet like some robot presented with a logical fallacy.
Nothing excuses fascism. No cause justifies it, ever. None.
I agree entirely. I also don’t think Robinson is a fascist. I think he’s a smart but badly educated white working class erhnocentric Brit, with bad judgement and a bad temper, who has enraged the PC Establishment, which wants him silenced, because he focuses relentlessly and sometimes effectively on this incendiary issue,
He’s behaved idiotically. But he also has rational reasons to be angry. As does anyone with relatives who fell victim to this grooming.
Mate, if it looks like a duck...
I was on call the day of the EDL rally in Leicester, and the counter demonstration.
TR and the EDL are not fascists, just dickheads who like threatening and intimidating people. The correct response to crimes like Rotherham is prosecution not attempting to smash up a city centre by provoking a riot.
It reminded my receptionist that day (Leicester born, West Indian parents) of the bad old days when the National Front used to beat up her friends and family. I shall not forget the fear in her face, a fear as a white man, I have never felt. I shall not forgive TR and the EDL for that.
I respect your views Foxy but there are plenty of comtemporary accounts from Germany in the early 30s describing the Nazis in similarly dismissive terms, because that's how they seemed to most people: dickheads who like threatening and intimidating people. We should never give these fascist hate groups an inch of leeway.
Whomever Corbyn's Cabinet were, you would you know they were hard left or weak centrists wanting a Cabinet post. Disaster which ever way you look at it.
And most of us spotted the problems with it from the start. It was clearly dubious in terms of presentation - even if the content could have been possible.
The people in charge of the Labour Party are not principled supporters of the free press or democracy; they are both viewed in instrumental terms. Look at how McDonnell brazenly calls on May to step aside without an election. Only socialist governments are legitimate.
They have the same attitude as Erdogan, who memorably said that democracy is a train you ride until your reach your destination; at that point, you get off.
Yesterday’s Tessgasm wearing off on me a bit, with more of a picture what actually went on that comes out.
What was the newspaper story she read out to them? There was one doing the rounds on Wednesday, “European airports have privately warned that a "no-deal" Brexit would cause "major disruption and heightened safety risks",”
She read that out to them? Seriously? then said, “The Chequers proposal is the only one Britain voted for”. She Seriously said that garbage spin? And followed it up with her bloody difficult woman thing, playing hardball with “That” position? That’s the best top level negotiating Britain can do last week?
If it happened like that, who has she got around her, advising her and looking after her? If it happened just like described here, with all that’s at stake other than her own and own party’s skin, that’s actually pretty disgusting.
I suppose though it’s how flawed you see Chequers. If you are remainer or brexiteer, and fear something worse for you than Chequers, it makes you less critical of it, so you allowed her to take it all over there and spin it in front of them.
If you view May merely tacking towards Brexiteers on Friday to avoid being picked up and thrown out the window, like most the media summarisers seem to be saying, then her ultimatum to EU, her strong suspension of talks, the balls in your court, furious May’s not for turning, is just complete mirage. Scary Reality is, to avoid no deal messy crash out, it’s Britain still needs to go back to EU with new proposals. And her teams working on those as we speak!
And most of us spotted the problems with it from the start. It was clearly dubious .in terms of presentation - even if the content could have been possible.
The problem with that story was not even so much that it was fake but that it seemed entirely possible.
That's where Corbyn and Milne's credibility stands. Somewhere below Blair and Campbell after 2003.
One of the brothers has spoken out as to why he hates his sibling, the candidate. Amongst his reasons is that candidate Gosar “attended a rally where he gave a speech for despicable hard right British thug Tommy Robinson”
I’m not joking.
Nothing excuses fascism. No cause justifies it, ever. None.
I agree entirely. I also don’t think Robinson is a fascist. I think he’s a smart but badly educated white working class erhnocentric Brit, with bad judgement and a bad temper, who has enraged the PC Establishment, which wants him silenced, because he focuses relentlessly and sometimes effectively on this incendiary issue,
He’s behaved idiotically. But he also has rational reasons to be angry. As does anyone with relatives who fell victim to this grooming.
Mate, if it looks like a duck...
I was on call the day of the EDL rally in Leicester, and the counter demonstration.
TR and the EDL are not fascists, just dickheads who like threatening and intimidating people. The correct response to crimes like Rotherham is prosecution not attempting to smash up a city centre by provoking a riot.
It reminded my receptionist that day (Leicester born, West Indian parents) of the bad old days when the National Front used to beat up her friends and family. I shall not forget the fear in her face, a fear as a white man, I have never felt. I shall not forgive TR and the EDL for that.
I respect your views Foxy but there are plenty of comtemporary accounts from Germany in the early 30s describing the Nazis in similarly dismissive terms, because that's how they seemed to most people: dickheads who like threatening and intimidating people. We should never give these fascist hate groups an inch of leeway.
I have no intention of giving them any lee way. I know which side I am on.
TR and EDL do not have either the political coherence or structure to be true fascists, but one of the more disturbing pieces of news that I watched recently was to see Batten in his capacity as UKIP leader trying to join forces with an EDL like demonstration in Sunderland.
Pandering to far right extremists does not molify them, it only feeds the beast. We need good people to speak up against such bilge. This is true both for both the far right white extremists and their political cousins the far right Islamists.
The people in charge of the Labour Party are not principled supporters of the free press or democracy; they are both viewed in instrumental terms. Look at how McDonnell brazenly calls on May to step aside without an election. Only socialist governments are legitimate.
They have the same attitude as Erdogan, who memorably said that democracy is a train you ride until your reach your destination; at that point, you get off.
As I understand the British constitution (would be easier if there was a copy available to read, but there we are...) it’s perfectly democratic to ask a PM who can’t command a majority in the house to step aside and allow someone else to have a go. Obviously in this case the alternative - Corbyn - couldn’t either, but if he could, that would be entirely legitimate, socialist or not. As a result there would be an election, which is what McDonnell (not necessarily sensibly) wants. Also democratic.
I was on call the day of the EDL rally in Leicester, and the counter demonstration.
TR and the EDL are not fascists, just dickheads who like threatening and intimidating people. The correct response to crimes like Rotherham is prosecution not attempting to smash up a city centre by provoking a riot.
It reminded my receptionist that day (Leicester born, West Indian parents) of the bad old days when the National Front used to beat up her friends and family. I shall not forget the fear in her face, a fear as a white man, I have never felt. I shall not forgive TR and the EDL for that.
I respect your views Foxy but there are plenty of comtemporary accounts from Germany in the early 30s describing the Nazis in similarly dismissive terms, because that's how they seemed to most people: dickheads who like threatening and intimidating people. We should never give these fascist hate groups an inch of leeway.
Yet we have precisely such a hate group embedded into the very top of the Opposition. Which are similarly dismissed. What a sad state of affairs.
One of the brothers has spoken out as to why he hates his sibling, the candidate. Amongst his reasons is that candidate Gosar “attended a rally where he gave a speech for despicable hard right British thug Tommy Robinson”
I’m not joking.
Nothing excuses fascism. No cause justifies it, ever. None.
I agree entirely. I also don’t think Robinson is a fascist. I think he’s a smart but badly educated white working class erhnocentric Brit, with bad judgement and a bad temper, who has enraged the PC Establishment, which wants him silenced, because he focuses relentlessly and sometimes effectively on this incendiary issue,
He’s behaved idiotically. But he also has rational reasons to be angry. As does anyone with relatives who fell victim to this grooming.
Mate, if it looks like a duck...
I was on call the day of the EDL rally in Leicester, and the counter demonstration.
TR and the EDL are not fascists, just dickheads who like threatening and intimidating people. The correct response to crimes like Rotherham is prosecution not attempting to smash up a city centre by provoking a riot.
It reminded my receptionist that day (Leicester born, West Indian parents) of the bad old days when the National Front used to beat up her friends and family. I shall not forget the fear in her face, a fear as a white man, I have never felt. I shall not forgive TR and the EDL for that.
I respect your views Foxy but there are plenty of comtemporary accounts from Germany in the early 30s describing the Nazis in similarly dismissive terms, because that's how they seemed to most people: dickheads who like threatening and intimidating people. We should never give these fascist hate groups an inch of leeway.
I have no intention of giving them any lee way. I know which side I am on.
TR and EDL do not have either the political coherence or structure to be true fascists, but one of the more disturbing pieces of news that I watched recently was to see Batten in his capacity as UKIP leader trying to join forces with an EDL like demonstration in Sunderland.
Pandering to far right extremists does not molify them, it only feeds the beast. We need good people to speak up against such bilge. This is true both for both the far right white extremists and their political cousins the far right Islamists.
An ordinary dinner party, the sort of occasion we all enjoy. The LEAVERs are exchanging witty stories. And look at the REMAINERs; aren’t they pretty? Look at the way they laugh, they’re delightful. But now the conversation turns to more serious matters.
LEAVER 1: “I wonder if the Government should stay out of the EU Customs Union”
LEAVER 2: “I think it should.”
LEAVER 1: “Good. Then we’re all agreed.”
But oh dear, what’s this? One of the REMAINERs is about to embarrass us all…
REMAINER: “I think the Government should stay in the Customs Union, so that the Pound can reach a level that would keep our exports competitive.”
The REMAINER has foolishly attempted to join the conversation with a wild and dangerous opinion of his own! What half-baked drivel! See how the LEAVERS look at him with utter contempt!
LEAVER 2: “Alastair, we’re going home!!”
REMAINERS - KNOW YOUR LIMITS!
Look at the effect of education on a LEAVER and a REMAINER’s mind. Education passes into the mind of a LEAVER. See how the information is evenly and tidily stored.
Now see the same thing on a REMAINER. At first we see a similar result. But now look. Still at a reasonably low level of education his brain suddenly overloads. He can't take in complicated information. He becomes frantically and absurdly deranged.
Look at these venomous harridans. They went to university. Hard to believe they are all under 25. Yes, over-education leads to ugliness, premature aging and beard growth. And ranting on online political betting fora.
Now, let’s see the proper way.
LEAVER 1: “Good. So we’re all agreed. We should stay out of the Customs Union.”
REMAINER: “Oh, I don’t know anything about the Northern Ireland Backstop, I’m afraid, but I do love little kittens! They’re so soft, and furry.”
LEAVER 2: “What a delightful thought, you dear, sweet, fragile little thing! I adore you, Alastair!”
REMAINERS - KNOW YOUR LIMITS. In thought, be plain and simple, and let your natural sweetness shine through!
Yesterday’s Tessgasm wearing off on me a bit, with more of a picture what actually went on that comes out.
What was the newspaper story she read out to them? There was one doing the rounds on Wednesday, “European airports have privately warned that a "no-deal" Brexit would cause "major disruption and heightened safety risks",”
She read that out to them? Seriously? then said, “The Chequers proposal is the only one Britain voted for”. She Seriously said that garbage spin? And followed it up with her bloody difficult woman thing, playing hardball with “That” position? That’s the best top level negotiating Britain can do last week?
If it happened like that, who has she got around her, advising her and looking after her? If it happened just like described here, with all that’s at stake other than her own and own party’s skin, that’s actually pretty disgusting.
I suppose though it’s how flawed you see Chequers. If you are remainer or brexiteer, and fear something worse for you than Chequers, it makes you less critical of it, so you allowed her to take it all over there and spin it in front of them.
If you view May merely tacking towards Brexiteers on Friday to avoid being picked up and thrown out the window, like most the media summarisers seem to be saying, then her ultimatum to EU, her strong suspension of talks, the balls in your court, furious May’s not for turning, is just complete mirage. Scary Reality is, to avoid no deal messy crash out, it’s Britain still needs to go back to EU with new proposals. And her teams working on those as we speak!
She’s a catastrophe as a leader during Brexit. She has to go.
I think she is one step off a catastrophe. We could have done so much better. But we are where we are and it is just too late to change the captain without collapsing into chaos. She now needs to do this for better or for worse. Buckle up.
One of the brothers hasAmongst his reasons is that candidate Gosar “attended a rally where he gave a speech for despicable hard right British thug Tommy Robinson”
I’m not joking.
Nothing excuses fascism. No cause justifies it, ever. None.
I agree entirely. Ihe focuses relentlessly and sometimes effectively on this incendiary issue,
He’s behaved idiotically. But he also has rational reasons to be angry. As does anyone with relatives who fell victim to this grooming.
Mate, if it looks like a duck...
I was on call the day of the EDL I shall not forget the fear in her face, a fear as a white man, I have never felt. I shall not forgive TR and the EDL for that.
I respect your views Foxy but there are seemed to most people: dickheads who like threatening and intimidatin2g people. We should never give these fascist hate groups an inch of leeway.
I have no intention of giving them any lee way. I know which side I am on.
TR and EDL do not have either the political coherence or structure to be true fascists, but one of the more disturbing pieces of news that I watched recently was to see Batten slamists.
Given the choice between new UKIP and corbyn’s Labour as government, which would you choose? I genuinely dunno. A few years ago both were much more moderate. Now both edge to the far left and far right.
They manage to make the inept, flailing, incompetent, dithering, inadequate Tories look like the only sane choice.
Surely this is the time for an unlikely Lib Dem revival. If not now, never.
That EDL like March in Sunderland. Was it the spontaneous by some mothers from a working class council estate who had reported multiple rapes and the authorities weren’t investigating? This was a second march, as one had happened the year earlier when again, a girl was raped by a gang of migrant men in Sunderland.
My point is that in order to rejoin, the application would have to be supported by both sides of the House, not just one. Otherwise it would most likely be rejected by the EU.
A bit late to the discussion, but would even that suffice? We've had decades where all political parties in the Commons supported membership of the EU, and still (half of) the peasants revolted.
Surely it would need a long track record of solid opinion poll majorities strongly in favour of rejoining & all that would entail before the EU even thinks about it.
Yesterday’s Tessgasm wearing off on me a bit, with more of a picture what actually went on that comes out.
What was the newspaper story she read out to them? There was one doing the rounds on Wednesday, “European airports have privately warned that a "no-deal" Brexit would cause "major disruption and heightened safety risks",”
She read that out to them? Seriously? then said, “The Chequers proposal is the only one Britain voted for”. She Seriously said that garbage spin? And followed it up with her bloody difficult woman thing, playing hardball with “That” position? That’s the best top level negotiating Britain can do last week?
If it happened like that, who has she got around her, advising her and looking after her? If it happened just like described here, with all that’s at stake other than her own and own party’s skin, that’s actually pretty disgusting.
I suppose though it’s how flawed you see Chequers. If you are remainer or brexiteer, and fear something worse for you than Chequers, it makes you less critical of it, so you allowed her to take it all over there and spin it in front of them.
If you view May merely tacking towards Brexiteers on Friday to avoid being picked up and thrown out the window, like most the media summarisers seem to be saying, then her ultimatum to EU, her strong suspension of talks, the balls in your court, furious May’s not for turning, is just complete mirage. Scary Reality is, to avoid no deal messy crash out, it’s Britain still needs to go back to EU with new proposals. And her teams working on those as we speak!
She’s a catastrophe as a leader during Brexit. She has to go.
I think she is one step off a catastrophe. We could have done so much better. But we are where we are and it is just too late to change the captain without collapsing into chaos. She now needs to do this for better or for worse. Buckle up.
Aren't we already in chaos?
The key deadline as far as the Europeans are concerned is the Euro Elections in May 2019. Even if we had a two month leadership election and then got a 2 month extension to Article 50 we wouldn't have lost any time remaining and might be able to cut through the chaos with a new leader.
I was on call the day of the EDL rally in Leicester, and the counter demonstration.
TR and the EDL are not fascists, just dickheads who like threatening and intimidating people. The correct response to crimes like Rotherham is prosecution not attempting to smash up a city centre by provoking a riot.
It reminded my receptionist that day (Leicester born, West Indian parents) of the bad old days when the National Front used to beat up her friends and family. I shall not forget the fear in her face, a fear as a white man, I have never felt. I shall not forgive TR and the EDL for that.
I respect your views Foxy but there are plenty of comtemporary accounts from Germany in the early 30s describing the Nazis in similarly dismissive terms, because that's how they seemed to most people: dickheads who like threatening and intimidating people. We should never give these fascist hate groups an inch of leeway.
Yet we have precisely such a hate group embedded into the very top of the Opposition. Which are similarly dismissed. What a sad state of affairs.
My point is that in order to rejoin, the application would have to be supported by both sides of the House, not just one. Otherwise it would most likely be rejected by the EU.
A bit late to the discussion, but would even that suffice? We've had decades where all political parties in the Commons supported membership of the EU, and still (half of) the peasants revolted.
Surely it would need a long track record of solid opinion poll majorities strongly in favour of rejoining & all that would entail before the EU even thinks about it.
One of the brothers hasAmongst his reasons is that candidate Gosar “attended a rally where he gave a speech for despicable hard right British thug Tommy Robinson”
I’m not joking.
Nothing excuses fascism. No cause justifies it, ever. None.
I agree entirely. Ihe focuses relentlessly and sometimes effectively on this incendiary issue,
He’s behaved idiotically. But he also has rational reasons to be angry. As does anyone with relatives who fell victim to this grooming.
Mate, if it looks like a duck...
I was on call the day of the EDL I shall not forget the fear in her face, a fear as a white man, I have never felt. I shall not forgive TR and the EDL for that.
I respect your views Foxy but there are seemed to most people: dickheads who like threatening and intimidatin2g people. We should never give these fascist hate groups an inch of leeway.
I have no intention of ed recently was to see Batten slamists.
Given the choice between new UKIP and corbyn’s Labour as government, which would you choose? I genuinely dunno. A few years ago both were much more moderate. Now both edge to the far left and far right.
They manage to make the inept, flailing, incompetent, dithering, inadequate Tories look like the only sane choice.
Surely this is the time for an unlikely Lib Dem revival. If not now, never.
That EDL like March in Sunderland. Was it the spontaneous by some mothers from a working class council estate who had reported multiple rapes and the authorities weren’t investigating? This was a second march, as one had happened the year earlier when again, a girl was raped by a gang of migrant men in Sunderland.
My point is that in order to rejoin, the application would have to be supported by both sides of the House, not just one. Otherwise it would most likely be rejected by the EU.
A bit late to the discussion, but would even that suffice? We've had decades where all political parties in the Commons supported membership of the EU, and still (half of) the peasants revolted.
Surely it would need a long track record of solid opinion poll majorities strongly in favour of rejoining & all that would entail before the EU even thinks about it.
Good evening, everyone.
At the minimum a new referendum.
And as others and myself stated earlier today how does that actually solve anything when the vote once again doesn't go the EU's way...
One of the brothers has spoken out as to why he hates his sibling, the candidate. Amongst his reasons is that candidate Gosar “attended a rally where he gave a speech for despicable hard right British thug Tommy Robinson”
I’m not joking.
Nothing excuses fascism. No cause justifies it, ever. None.
I agree entirely. Ihe focuses relentlessly and sometimes effectively on this incendiary issue,
He’s behaved idiotically. But he also has rational reasons to be angry. As does anyone with relatives who fell victim to this grooming.
Mate, if it looks like a duck...
I was on call the day of the EDL I shall not forget the fear in her face, a fear as a white man, I have never felt. I shall not forgive TR and the EDL for that.
I respect your views Foxy but there are seemed to most people: dickheads who like threatening and intimidating people. We should never give these fascist hate groups an inch of leeway.
I have no intention of giving them any lee way. I know which side I am on.
TR and EDL do not have either the political coherence or structure to be true fascists, but one of the more disturbing pieces of news that I watched recently was to see Batten in his capacity as UKIP leader trying to join forces with an EDL like demonstration in Sunderland.
Pandering to far right extremists does not molify them, it only feeds the beast. We need good people to speak up against such bilge. This is true both for both the far right white extremists and their political cousins the far right Islamists.
Given the choice between new UKIP and corbyn’s Labour as government, which would you choose? I genuinely dunno. A few years ago both were much more moderate. Now both edge to the far left and far right.
They manage to make the inept, flailing, incompetent, dithering, inadequate Tories look like the only sane choice.
Surely this is the time for an unlikely Lib Dem revival. If not now, never.
I would not be forced to choose. I oppose all political thuggery.
Yesterday’s Tessgasm wearing off on me a bit, with more of a picture what actually went on that comes out.
What was the newspaper story she read out to them? There was one doing the rounds on Wednesday, “European airports have privately warned that a "no-deal" Brexit would cause "major disruption and heightened safety risks",”
She read that out to them? Seriously? then said, “The Chequers proposal is the only one Britain voted for”. She Seriously said that garbage spin? And followed it up with her bloody difficult woman thing, playing hardball with “That” position? That’s the best top level negotiating Britain can do last week?
If it happened like that, who has she got around her, advising her and looking after her? If it happened just like described here, with all that’s at stake other than her own and own party’s skin, that’s actually pretty disgusting.
I suppose though it’s how flawed you see Chequers. If you are remainer or brexiteer, and fear something worse for you than Chequers, it makes you less critical of it, so you allowed her to take it all over there and spin it in front of them.
If you view May merely tacking towards Brexiteers on Friday to avoid being picked up and thrown out the window, like most the media summarisers seem to be saying, then her ultimatum to EU, her strong suspension of talks, the balls in your court, furious May’s not for turning, is just complete mirage. Scary Reality is, to avoid no deal messy crash out, it’s Britain still needs to go back to EU with new proposals. And her teams working on those as we speak!
She’s a catastrophe as a leader during Brexit. She has to go.
I think she is one step off a catastrophe. We could have done so much better. But we are where we are and it is just too late to change the captain without collapsing into chaos. She now needs to do this for better or for worse. Buckle up.
Aren't we already in chaos?
The key deadline as far as the Europeans are concerned is the Euro Elections in May 2019. Even if we had a two month leadership election and then got a 2 month extension to Article 50 we wouldn't have lost any time remaining and might be able to cut through the chaos with a new leader.
No, we are not in chaos. Chaos is a possible outcome of where we are but it is not nailed on. A new leader doesn’t give us options we don’t have now. It puts us further down the curve, gives that leader more to learn, relationships to build etc. May’s relationship are not good but at least the other leaders know who she is.
My point is that in order to rejoin, the application would have to be supported by both sides of the House, not just one. Otherwise it would most likely be rejected by the EU.
A bit late to the discussion, but would even that suffice? We've had decades where all political parties in the Commons supported membership of the EU, and still (half of) the peasants revolted.
Surely it would need a long track record of solid opinion poll majorities strongly in favour of rejoining & all that would entail before the EU even thinks about it.
Good evening, everyone.
At the minimum a new referendum.
And as others and myself stated earlier today how does that actually solve anything when the vote once again doesn't go the EU's way...
We're talking about in the event down the road the UK is looking to rejoin. Whichever way that goes would be the EU's way. If it is a Yes then they have a new member. If it is a No they don't have a recalcitrant troublemaker back whose citizens don't want to be there.
The key deadline as far as the Europeans are concerned is the Euro Elections in May 2019. Even if we had a two month leadership election and then got a 2 month extension to Article 50 we wouldn't have lost any time remaining and might be able to cut through the chaos with a new leader.
No, we are not in chaos. Chaos is a possible outcome of where we are but it is not nailed on a new leader doesn’t give us options we don’t have now. It puts us further down the curve, gives that leader more to learn, relationships to build etc. May’s relationship are not good but at least the other leaders know who she is.
The EU have given us two clear options they can work with from the start - EEA and Canada+
A new leader may not have more options but may be willing to make an actual decision and go with either of those. Then we can use what time we have left to make the best of the decision but at the least we should make a decision.
A minority can trigger deselection? Seems bizarre. So even if someone has backing of 69% they can be deselected? I assume then they have a right to stand again?
Yesterday’s Tessgasm wearing off on me a bit, with more of a picture what actually went on that comes out.
What was the newspaper story she read out to them? There was one doing the rounds on Wednesday, “European airports have privately warned that a "no-deal" Brexit would cause "major disruption and heightened safety risks",”
She read that out to them? Seriously? then said, “The Chequers proposal is the only one Britain voted for”. She Seriously said that garbage spin? And followed it up with her bloody difficult woman thing, playing hardball with “That” position? That’s the best top level negotiating Britain can do last week?
If it happened like that, who has she got around her, advising her and looking after her? If it happened just like described here, with all that’s at stake other than her own and own party’s skin, that’s actually pretty disgusting.
I suppose though it’s how flawed you see Chequers. If you are remainer or brexiteer, and fear something worse for you than Chequers, it makes you less critical of it, so you allowed her to take it all over there and spin it in front of them.
If you view May merely tacking towards Brexiteers on Friday to avoid being picked up and thrown out the window, like most the media summarisers seem to be saying, then her ultimatum to EU, her strong suspension of talks, the balls in your court, furious May’s not for turning, is just complete mirage. Scary Reality is, to avoid no deal messy crash out, it’s Britain still needs to go back to EU with new proposals. And her teams working on those as we speak!
She’s a catastrophe as a leader during Brexit. She has to go.
I think she is one step off a catastrophe. We could have done so much better. But we are where we are and it is just too late to change the captain without collapsing into chaos. She now needs to do this for better or for worse. Buckle up.
A minority can trigger deselection? Seems bizarre. So even if someone has backing of 69% they can be deselected? I assume then they have a right to stand again?
A minority can trigger deselection? Seems bizarre. So even if someone has backing of 69% they can be deselected? I assume then they have a right to stand again?
Very important stuff, as Brexit looms.
Honestly, has there ever been an Opposition that has show such dereliction to its duty than this shower of hard left obsessives?
Yesterday’s Tessgasm wearing off on me a bit, with more of a picture what actually went on that comes out.
What was the newspaper story she read out to them? There was one doing the rounds on Wednesday, “European airports have privately warned that a "no-deal" Brexit would cause "major disruption and heightened safety risks",”
She read that out to them? Seriously? then said, “The Chequers proposal is the only one Britain voted for”. She Seriously said that garbage spin? And followed it up with her bloody difficult woman thing, playing hardball with “That” position? That’s the best top level negotiating Britain can do last week?
If it happened like that, who has she got around her, advising her and looking after her? If it happened just like described here, with all that’s at stake other than her own and own party’s skin, that’s actually pretty disgusting.
I suppose though it’s how flawed you see Chequers. If you are remainer or brexiteer, and fear something worse for you than Chequers, it makes you less critical of it, so you allowed her to take it all over there and spin it in front of
She’s a catastrophe as a leader during Brexit. She has to go.
I think she is one step off a catastrophe. We could have done so much better. But we are where we are and it is just too late to change the captain without collapsing into chaos. She now needs to do this for better or for worse. Buckle up.
Aren't we already in chaos?
The key deadline as far as the Europeans are concerned is the Euro Elections in May 2019. Even if we had a two month leadership election and then got a 2 month extension to Article 50 we wouldn't have lost any time remaining and might be able to cut through the chaos with a new leader.
No, we are not in chaos. Chaos is a possible outcome of where we are but it is not nailed on. A new leader doesn’t give us options we don’t have now. It puts us further down the curve, gives that leader more to learn, relationships to build etc. May’s relationship are not good but at least the other leaders know who she is.
The other leaders know precisely who she is. They all will have profiles, psychological, physical mental, political and emotional ones available to them.. They know which bells to ring, and they are using them. Our team have difficulty finding their zips when they need a piss.
A minority can trigger deselection? Seems bizarre. So even if someone has backing of 69% they can be deselected? I assume then they have a right to stand again?
Very important stuff, as Brexit looms.
Honestly, has there ever been an Opposition that has show such dereliction to its duty than this shower of hard left obsessives?
When will moderates wake up?
The Hard Left virus is killing their party.
Labour is already dead. Momentum, Militant and other groups are just using the corpse for their own ends.
Yesterday’s Tessgasm wearing off on me a bit, with more of a picture what actually went on that comes out.
What was the newspaper story she read out to them? There was one doing the rounds on Wednesday, “European airports have privately warned that a "no-deal" Brexit would cause "major disruption and heightened safety risks",”
She read that out to them? Seriously? then said, “The Chequers proposal is the only one Britain voted for”. She Seriously said that garbage spin? And followed it up with her bloody difficult woman thing, playing hardball with “That” position? That’s the best top level negotiating Britain can do last week?
If it happened like that, who has she got around her, advising her and looking after her? If it happened just like described here, with all that’s at stake other than her own and own party’s skin, that’s actually pretty disgusting.
I suppose though it’s how flawed you see Chequers. If you are remainer or brexiteer, and fear something worse for you than Chequers, it makes you less critical of it, so you allowed her to take it all over there and spin it in front of
She’s a catastrophe as a leader during Brexit. She has to go.
I think she is one step off a catastrophe. We could have done so much better. But we are where we are and it is just too late to change the captain without collapsing into chaos. She now needs to do this for better or for worse. Buckle up.
Aren't we already in chaos?
The key deadline as far as the Europeans are concerned is the Euro Elections in May 2019. Even if we had a two month leadership election and then got a 2 month extension to Article 50 we wouldn't have lost any time remaining and might be able to cut through the chaos with a new leader.
No, we are not in chaos. Chaos is a possible outcome of where we are but it is not nailed on. A new leader doesn’t give us options we don’t have now. It puts us further down the curve, gives that leader more to learn, relationships to build etc. May’s relationship are not good but at least the other leaders know who she is.
The other leaders know precisely who she is. They all will have profiles, psychological, physical mental, political and emotional ones available to them.. They know which bells to ring, and they are using them. Our team have difficulty finding their zips when they need a piss.
They certainly know she's diabetic and can't eat cakes, with or without cherries.
A minority can trigger deselection? Seems bizarre. So even if someone has backing of 69% they can be deselected? I assume then they have a right to stand again?
No - I think the suggestion is that 33.3% of CLP members would be required to set the ball rolling - ie to formally commence any deselection procedure.How likely such a process would be to bring about a change of candidate is another matter.
A minority can trigger deselection? Seems bizarre. So even if someone has backing of 69% they can be deselected? I assume then they have a right to stand again?
69% > two thirds.
Sorry for some reason I had 30% in my head. Still same question: even if someone has backing of 65% they can be deselected?
Yesterday’s Tessgasm wearing off on me a bit, with more of a picture what actually went on that comes out.
What was the newspaper story she read out to them? There was one doing the rounds on Wednesday, “European airports have privately warned that a "no-deal" Brexit would cause "major disruption and heightened safety risks",”
She read that out to them? Seriously? then said, “The Chequers proposal is the only one Britain voted for”. She Seriously said that garbage spin? And followed it up with her bloody difficult woman thing, playing hardball with “That” position? That’s the best top level negotiating Britain can do last week?
If it happened like that, who has she got around her, advising her and looking after her? If it happened just like described here, with all that’s at stake other than her own and own party’s skin, that’s actually pretty disgusting.
I suppose though it’s how flawed you see Chequers. If you are remainer or brexiteer, and fear something worse for you than Chequers, it makes you less critical of it, so you allowed her to take it all over there and spin it in front of
She’s a catastrophe as a leader during Brexit. She has to go.
I think she is one step off a catastrophe. We could have done so much better. But we are where we are and it is just too late to change the captain without collapsing into chaos. She now needs to do this for better or for worse. Buckle up.
Aren't we already in chaos?
The key deadline as far as the Europeans are concerned is the Euro Elections in May 2019. Even if we had a two month leadership election and then got a 2 month extension to Article 50 we wouldn't have lost any time remaining and might be able to cut through the chaos with a new leader.
No, we are not in chaos. Chaos is a possible outcome of where we are but it is not nailed on. A new leader doesn’t give us options we don’t have now. It puts us further down the curve, gives that leader more to learn, relationships to build etc. May’s relationship are not good but at least the other leaders know who she is.
The other leaders know precisely who she is. They all will have profiles, psychological, physical mental, political and emotional ones available to them.. They know which bells to ring, and they are using them. Our team have difficulty finding their zips when they need a piss.
A minority can trigger deselection? Seems bizarre. So even if someone has backing of 69% they can be deselected? I assume then they have a right to stand again?
Very important stuff, as Brexit looms.
Honestly, has there ever been an Opposition that has show such dereliction to its duty than this shower of hard left obsessives?
When will moderates wake up?
The Hard Left virus is killing their party.
Labour is already dead. Momentum, Militant and other groups are just using the corpse for their own ends.
Google 'Hagfish'. Reflect on the grisly fate of Labour.
A minority can trigger deselection? Seems bizarre. So even if someone has backing of 69% they can be deselected? I assume then they have a right to stand again?
69% > two thirds.
Sorry for some reason I had 30% in my head. Still same question: even if someone has backing of 65% they can be deselected?
Not if the 65% vote in his/her support during the process.
A minority can trigger deselection? Seems bizarre. So even if someone has backing of 69% they can be deselected? I assume then they have a right to stand again?
No - I think the suggestion is that 33.3% of CLP members would be required to set the ball rolling - ie to formally commence any deselection procedure.How likely such a process would be to bring about a change of candidate is another matter.
Sort of comparable with the numbers of letter expressing no confidence in the Conservative leader, by the sound of it?
A minority can trigger deselection? Seems bizarre. So even if someone has backing of 69% they can be deselected? I assume then they have a right to stand again?
No - I think the suggestion is that 33.3% of CLP members would be required to set the ball rolling - ie to formally commence any deselection procedure.How likely such a process would be to bring about a change of candidate is another matter.
Sort of comparable with the numbers of letter expressing no confidence in the Conservative leader, by the sound of it?
Some parrallel, I suppose, though the 33.3% threshold suggested is far higher than the 15% required to challenge the Tory leader.
A minority can trigger deselection? Seems bizarre. So even if someone has backing of 69% they can be deselected? I assume then they have a right to stand again?
I think it’s a minority can trigger a *vote* on deselection
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You seem a little bit hung up on this Rotherham nonsense. Heads have rolled over it and criminals have gone to prison for it. That doesn't justify Robinson in the slightest.
I'll get my coat.
If this had happened again in Leicester and everywhere else you wouldn't still be banging on about Rotherham like a broken record. As if there's never been crime in this country however appalling before.
If they do it could be a radically different composition, AFD getting 30% of the vote to send a message to Merkel.
In rather brilliant news today, JAXA (the Japanese Space Agency) have managed to 'land' two 'rovers' on the surface of asteroid Ryugu.
The rovers have taken their first photographs and at least one is mobile. Because of the asteroid's low gravity, the rovers 'hop' around the surface rather than drive.
The first picture of the asteroid's surface, taken during a hop, can be seen at:
http://www.hayabusa2.jaxa.jp/en/topics/20180922e/
This is quite an amazing achievement by JAXA; next they have to land a third rover, land their spacecraft, collect a sample, and then return to Earth. Easy peasy!
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1043574114760499201
Can't think of one socialist nation Corbyn admires that has kept one.
I’m not convinced it says a great deal about the Senate race.
The trots plan for our economy means we have to leave.
TR and the EDL are not fascists, just dickheads who like threatening and intimidating people. The correct response to crimes like Rotherham is prosecution not attempting to smash up a city centre by provoking a riot.
It reminded my receptionist that day (Leicester born, West Indian parents) of the bad old days when the National Front used to beat up her friends and family. I shall not forget the fear in her face, a fear as a white man, I have never felt. I shall not forgive TR and the EDL for that.
Later on as they became decadent they started charging for it.
IF it becomes clear leaving the EU is not to Britain's economic advantage such a position under a new leader could look very attractive set against a tired looking Conservative Party after more than a decade and a half in Government.
https://www.theredroar.com/2018/09/an-apology/
Who cares about such "leaks anyway?
They have the same attitude as Erdogan, who memorably said that democracy is a train you ride until your reach your destination; at that point, you get off.
What was the newspaper story she read out to them? There was one doing the rounds on Wednesday, “European airports have privately warned that a "no-deal" Brexit would cause "major disruption and heightened safety risks",”
She read that out to them? Seriously? then said, “The Chequers proposal is the only one Britain voted for”. She Seriously said that garbage spin? And followed it up with her bloody difficult woman thing, playing hardball with “That” position? That’s the best top level negotiating Britain can do last week?
If it happened like that, who has she got around her, advising her and looking after her? If it happened just like described here, with all that’s at stake other than her own and own party’s skin, that’s actually pretty disgusting.
I suppose though it’s how flawed you see Chequers. If you are remainer or brexiteer, and fear something worse for you than Chequers, it makes you less critical of it, so you allowed her to take it all over there and spin it in front of them.
If you view May merely tacking towards Brexiteers on Friday to avoid being picked up and thrown out the window, like most the media summarisers seem to be saying, then her ultimatum to EU, her strong suspension of talks, the balls in your court, furious May’s not for turning, is just complete mirage. Scary Reality is, to avoid no deal messy crash out, it’s Britain still needs to go back to EU with new proposals. And her teams working on those as we speak!
That's where Corbyn and Milne's credibility stands. Somewhere below Blair and Campbell after 2003.
TR and EDL do not have either the political coherence or structure to be true fascists, but one of the more disturbing pieces of news that I watched recently was to see Batten in his capacity as UKIP leader trying to join forces with an EDL like demonstration in Sunderland.
Pandering to far right extremists does not molify them, it only feeds the beast. We need good people to speak up against such bilge. This is true both for both the far right white extremists and their political cousins the far right Islamists.
An ordinary dinner party, the sort of occasion we all enjoy. The LEAVERs are exchanging witty stories. And look at the REMAINERs; aren’t they pretty? Look at the way they laugh, they’re delightful. But now the conversation turns to more serious matters.
LEAVER 1:
“I wonder if the Government should stay out of the EU Customs Union”
LEAVER 2:
“I think it should.”
LEAVER 1:
“Good. Then we’re all agreed.”
But oh dear, what’s this? One of the REMAINERs is about to embarrass us all…
REMAINER:
“I think the Government should stay in the Customs Union, so that the Pound can reach a level that would keep our exports competitive.”
The REMAINER has foolishly attempted to join the conversation with a wild and dangerous opinion of his own! What half-baked drivel! See how the LEAVERS look at him with utter contempt!
LEAVER 2:
“Alastair, we’re going home!!”
REMAINERS - KNOW YOUR LIMITS!
Look at the effect of education on a LEAVER and a REMAINER’s mind. Education passes into the mind of a LEAVER. See how the information is evenly and tidily stored.
Now see the same thing on a REMAINER. At first we see a similar result. But now look. Still at a reasonably low level of education his brain suddenly overloads. He can't take in complicated information. He becomes frantically and absurdly deranged.
Look at these venomous harridans. They went to university. Hard to believe they are all under 25. Yes, over-education leads to ugliness, premature aging and beard growth. And ranting on online political betting fora.
Now, let’s see the proper way.
LEAVER 1:
“Good. So we’re all agreed. We should stay out of the Customs Union.”
REMAINER:
“Oh, I don’t know anything about the Northern Ireland Backstop, I’m afraid, but I do love little kittens! They’re so soft, and furry.”
LEAVER 2:
“What a delightful thought, you dear, sweet, fragile little thing! I adore you, Alastair!”
REMAINERS - KNOW YOUR LIMITS. In thought, be plain and simple, and let your natural sweetness shine through!
Here is the link to the March from the local newspaper. Though for some reason, you can work it out for yourself, there’s a distinct lack of further information about the actual allegations of rape.
https://www.sunderlandecho.com/our-region/sunderland/women-s-march-on-sunderland-s-streets-draws-in-hundreds-1-9229373
If you think this is Tommy Robinson stuff, you are utterly mad.
Edit: quotes are wrong on this.
https://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/
"Europe Elects
@EuropeElects
Germany, Forsa poll:
CDU/CSU-EPP: 28% (-2)
SPD-S&D: 17% (-1)
GRÜNE-G/EFA: 16%
AfD-EFDD: 15% (+2)
LINKE-LEFT: 10%
FDP-ALDE: 9% (+1)"
Surely it would need a long track record of solid opinion poll majorities strongly in favour of rejoining & all that would entail before the EU even thinks about it.
Good evening, everyone.
The key deadline as far as the Europeans are concerned is the Euro Elections in May 2019. Even if we had a two month leadership election and then got a 2 month extension to Article 50 we wouldn't have lost any time remaining and might be able to cut through the chaos with a new leader.
https://twitter.com/drjdove/status/1042256796562403328?s=19
A new leader may not have more options but may be willing to make an actual decision and go with either of those. Then we can use what time we have left to make the best of the decision but at the least we should make a decision.
Honestly, has there ever been an Opposition that has show such dereliction to its duty than this shower of hard left obsessives?
When will moderates wake up?
The Hard Left virus is killing their party.
How has the Labour party, plumbed such depths of alt-right whacko town stuff?
https://www.mediaite.com/online/paul-gosar-responds-to-his-siblings-endorsing-his-opponent-stalin-would-be-proud/
Mainstream media has another go at the Saintly One.
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