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  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,037
    Evening all.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    testing
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    edited October 2013
    FPT -

    Tim posted-

    Tim Shipman (Mail) ‏@ShippersUnbound 2m
    M.Eagle - Creagh job swap clears the way for Labour to ditch HS2

    Besides Osbornes ever tightening ligature around the throat of the Tory Party, that's the biggest news.

    Not what I heard on radio leeds news reports,creagh sounded all in favour of HS2,bringing jobs to the north and all that.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Results of the voting for UKIP MEP's
    http://www.ukip.org/newsroom/news
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,587
    That Malala link at 21 is worth reading - regardless of your politics.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,761
    Tykejohnno said:


    Not what I heard on radio leeds news reports,creagh sounded all in favour of HS2,bringing jobs to the north and all that.

    Yes, sounds as if Creagh is a committed HS2-ite:

    17:16pm There's been much talk of how Maria Eagle's departure as shadow transport secretary (she is now shadow environment secretary) could pave the way for a Labour U-turn over High Speed 2. But during this afternoon's reshuffle briefing, the party's spokesman emphasised that Mary Creagh is a "supporter of HS2" and that "there is no change in the party's position".

    http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/10/labour-and-government-reshuffles-live-updates

    Balls is the scapper, and I suspect Miliband will continue wholeheartedly with the project, if only to emphasize Balls's continuing impotence.
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    Tykejohnno said:

    FPT -

    Tim posted-

    Tim Shipman (Mail) ‏@ShippersUnbound 2m
    M.Eagle - Creagh job swap clears the way for Labour to ditch HS2

    Besides Osbornes ever tightening ligature around the throat of the Tory Party, that's the biggest news.

    Not what I heard on radio leeds news reports,creagh sounded all in favour of HS2,bringing jobs to the north and all that.

    You've got a lot of marginals in Yorkshire out of which you shoud get a lot of leverage.

  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,875
    Have we had SeanT's response to the BBC's latest scraping the barrel of the past idea ?
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,037
    Evening again all :)

    What are we to make of today's goings and other goings ? As many have said, the Osbornians, the Osborniates, the Osbornites or whatever we finish up calling them are in the ascendant which means Osborne comes out of 2015 either in pole position to take over the Conservative Party when Cameron stands down or joining his ally in the political wilderness.

    It's a huge personal and political gamble and if the Conservatives lose in 2015, Osborne and his allies will have a long time to contemplate that failure.

    On the LD side, I presume the replacement of Moore by Carmichael will allow Moore to fight to hold his seat. As for the exit of Jeremy Browne, I don't pretend to know the whys and wherefores. Could Browne realistically be a challenger for a post-Clegg leadership battle ? If he keeps his seat, I suppose he could.
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    edited October 2013
    NickPalmer said:

    That Malala link at 21 is worth reading - regardless of your politics.

    But be careful. As it's in the Grauniad it might burn.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,061
    Good evening, everyone.

    It's worth mentioning the Leeds tram/trolleybus system. There isn't one, despite it being promised for ages, and last time a large sum (over £100m, I think) was spent preparing for it only for the Government (then Labour) to pull the plug. The suspicion would be that HS2 might go ahead but that we wouldn't benefit.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,260
    edited October 2013
    MikeSmithson said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    FPT -

    Tim posted-

    Tim Shipman (Mail) ‏@ShippersUnbound 2m
    M.Eagle - Creagh job swap clears the way for Labour to ditch HS2

    Besides Osbornes ever tightening ligature around the throat of the Tory Party, that's the biggest news.

    Not what I heard on radio leeds news reports,creagh sounded all in favour of HS2,bringing jobs to the north and all that.

    You've got a lot of marginals in Yorkshire out of which you shoud get a lot of leverage.

    They should spend the HS2 money on improving Northern inter city travel.

    It will be a joke that once HS2 is complete, it will take roughly half the time it takes to go from Sheffield to London, to go from Sheffield to Manchester.

    This post is nothing to do with the fact that I have a daily train commute from Sheffield to Manchester.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Stark_Dawning said:

    Tykejohnno said:


    Not what I heard on radio leeds news reports,creagh sounded all in favour of HS2,bringing jobs to the north and all that.

    Yes, sounds as if Creagh is a committed HS2-ite:

    17:16pm There's been much talk of how Maria Eagle's departure as shadow transport secretary (she is now shadow environment secretary) could pave the way for a Labour U-turn over High Speed 2. But during this afternoon's reshuffle briefing, the party's spokesman emphasised that Mary Creagh is a "supporter of HS2" and that "there is no change in the party's position".

    http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/10/labour-and-government-reshuffles-live-updates

    Balls is the scapper, and I suspect Miliband will continue wholeheartedly with the project, if only to emphasize Balls's continuing impotence.
    Oh dear,for all those against the HS2 project,labour did the old grand duke of York tactic,they marched you up to the top of the hill and - so on,you know the rest ;-)

    Unless they playing the lib dem strategy of saying one thing in the north and another in the south,just poor.

  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,875
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Good evening, everyone.

    It's worth mentioning the Leeds tram/trolleybus system. There isn't one, despite it being promised for ages, and last time a large sum (over £100m, I think) was spent preparing for it only for the Government (then Labour) to pull the plug. The suspicion would be that HS2 might go ahead but that we wouldn't benefit.

    Even if it is built YOU won't benefit MD.

    Your role would be to pay extra taxes so that politicians and civil servants could have subsidised executive travel.

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,260
    tim said:

    HuffPost UK ‏@HuffPostUK
    "Robin Cook was on Ministry of Defence land,I believe,when he died and I have doubts over what happened"Norman Baker http://huff.to/1bQnpcl

    Paul Richards ‏@Labourpaul
    If a civil servant wrote a book alleging what Norman Baker's book alleges, there is no way they'd survive vetting for a Home Office job.

    Like the US Govt making one of the "Obama is a secret Muslim" crowd a security advisor, bonkers.

    I think for sheer comedy value, Obama should end a speech, not with God Bless America, but with Allah bless America, Allahu Akbar.
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,592
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    FPT -

    Tim posted-

    Tim Shipman (Mail) ‏@ShippersUnbound 2m
    M.Eagle - Creagh job swap clears the way for Labour to ditch HS2

    Besides Osbornes ever tightening ligature around the throat of the Tory Party, that's the biggest news.

    Not what I heard on radio leeds news reports,creagh sounded all in favour of HS2,bringing jobs to the north and all that.

    You've got a lot of marginals in Yorkshire out of which you shoud get a lot of leverage.

    They should spend the HS2 money on improving Northern inter city travel.

    It will be a joke that once HS2 is complete, it will take roughly half the time it takes to go from Sheffield to London, to go from Sheffield to Manchester.

    This post is nothing to do with the fact that I have a daily train commute from Sheffield to Manchester.
    One can only wonder at someone who willing lives in Yorkshire without the excuse of a job to tie him there.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,875
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    FPT -

    Tim posted-

    Tim Shipman (Mail) ‏@ShippersUnbound 2m
    M.Eagle - Creagh job swap clears the way for Labour to ditch HS2

    Besides Osbornes ever tightening ligature around the throat of the Tory Party, that's the biggest news.

    Not what I heard on radio leeds news reports,creagh sounded all in favour of HS2,bringing jobs to the north and all that.

    You've got a lot of marginals in Yorkshire out of which you shoud get a lot of leverage.

    They should spend the HS2 money on improving Northern inter city travel.

    It will be a joke that once HS2 is complete, it will take roughly half the time it takes to go from Sheffield to London, to go from Sheffield to Manchester.

    This post is nothing to do with the fact that I have a daily train commute from Sheffield to Manchester.
    You get a lot of pretty scenery on that journey.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,761
    Morris_Dancer said:

    It's worth mentioning the Leeds tram/trolleybus system. There isn't one...

    Really? When I visited Sheffield many, many years, all the talk was that the 'Supertram' (then under construction) was only being built so Sheffield could keep up with its bitter rival Leeds. So they wasted all that money on a financial catastrophe and Leeds never even built its own one anyway?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,061
    Maaarsh, how very dare you! Just where do you live anyway?
  • NextNext Posts: 826
    Next privatisation: The BBC?

    http://www.cityunslicker.co.uk/2013/10/royal-mail-nowbbc-next.html

  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Tories after reshuffle seem to be united ;-)

    Nadine Dorries MP @NadineDorriesMP

    Very sad to see Kris Hopkins promoted. One of parliaments slimiest, nastiest MPs. Really. Awful. Decision.


  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,260
    maaarsh - Fighting talk, I was born and bred in Sheffield.

    Another Richard - It is, especially if you go on the local stopping service, rather than Manchester Airport service.

    Stark Dawning - Supertram is a success, they are finally expanding it to my part of Sheffield for HS2
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    tim said:

    HuffPost UK ‏@HuffPostUK
    "Robin Cook was on Ministry of Defence land,I believe,when he died and I have doubts over what happened"Norman Baker http://huff.to/1bQnpcl

    Paul Richards ‏@Labourpaul
    If a civil servant wrote a book alleging what Norman Baker's book alleges, there is no way they'd survive vetting for a Home Office job.

    Like the US Govt making one of the "Obama is a secret Muslim" crowd a security advisor, bonkers.

    To be fair it wouldn't matter what Obama did as the swivel-eyed loons and warmongering Neocon chickenhawks will always repeatedly make a fool of themselves.

    Obama launches a drone strike killing a terrorist? He's still a secret muslim who hates America.
    They are simply incapable of changing and the GOP is continuing to lose it's mind as it becomes ever more obsessive and paranoid. Just we predicted back when Romney was beaten.


    The PB Romneys are just yet more hilarious proof of that.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,192
    The first key difference between Blair and Brown and Cameron and Osborne is that the latter trust each other. This takes a lot of the tension and "balancing" out of reshuffles.

    The second and more important difference is that the latter are in fact trustworthy. What a difference to government that makes.

    Everyone makes mistakes and misjudgments. Everyone is a genius in retrospect. But I really don't think this country could stand another government riven like the Blair/Brown one.

    With that in mind I think Miliband's changes make a kind of sense. Right or wrong the dimissal of the Blairite tendency means that the front bench at least is more united than it has been for a very long time.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,260
    Tykejohnno said:

    Tories after reshuffle seem to be united ;-)

    Nadine Dorries MP @NadineDorriesMP

    Very sad to see Kris Hopkins promoted. One of parliaments slimiest, nastiest MPs. Really. Awful. Decision.


    JohnO is a fan of Mr Hopkins, and Ms Dorries isn't a fan.

    I can't think of two better character references for the awesomeness of Mr Hopkins
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    David Cameron on the ITV - The Agenda - 10.35pm

    Cam on @tombradby's ITV1 Agenda tonight: EdM 'struck a chord' on energy prices. See PolHome http://www.politicshome.com
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Dan Hodges @DPJHodges

    How can Nadine Dorries get away with tweeting something like that about a colleague and still retain the Tory whip?

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,061
    Mr. Johnno, it's not hard to strike a chord by saying "I want you to pay less in bills"*.

    *Even though I am directly responsible for them being significantly increased over the last 4-5 years.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,875
    Can anyone remember Charles's anecdote about Cameron ?

    Not the museum anecdote where Cameron ignored everyone but the African but the one where Charles's mum was ignored by Cameron at a dinner.

    I think it might cast more light on the reshuffle.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,260
    Chris Deerin ‏@chrisdeerin 1m

    MI5 pregnant with Diana's baby, or something

    pic.twitter.com/AGNn1EXjI5

    via @hendopolis
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    The reshuffles of minor politicians today was the biggest political turn-of for weeks. Yawn.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    edited October 2013
    Tykejohnno said:

    David Cameron on the ITV - The Agenda - 10.35pm

    Cam on @tombradby's ITV1 Agenda tonight: EdM 'struck a chord' on energy prices. See PolHome http://www.politicshome.com

    Should be interesting - David Baddiel on as well.
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,592
    I shouldn't hold the inability of Kris Hopkins' parents to spell against him, but it's hard not to.

    I am from Lancashire, incidentally (and rather obviously.. :) )
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,875
    Tykejohnno said:

    Dan Hodges @DPJHodges

    How can Nadine Dorries get away with tweeting something like that about a colleague and still retain the Tory whip?

    Do you really spend all day reading tweets from the likes of Hodges and Dorries ?
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited October 2013
    tim said:

    Nadine Dorries MP ‏@NadineDorriesMP 5m
    Very sad to see Kris Hopkins promoted. One of parliaments slimiest, nastiest MPs. Really. Awful. Decision.

    Sounds like there's some history there.

    Amusing though they are it's not as if they are the ones calling the shots on the elections strategy.
    InterraceToday.com ‏@InterraceToday

    From http://InterraceToday.com : PM's new fixer in racist rant at Muslims: Foul-mouthed abuse by campaign chief... http://tinyurl.com/c4dfuv4
    Which hardly makes this a surprise either as those with integrity will want to stay well away from Crosby's kind of slime and nastiness.
    'Conservative party's problem with ethnic minority voters is costing it seats'

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/11/ethnic-minority-votes-decide-general-election-2015
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    another_richard said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    Dan Hodges @DPJHodges

    How can Nadine Dorries get away with tweeting something like that about a colleague and still retain the Tory whip?

    Do you really spend all day reading tweets from the likes of Hodges and Dorries ?
    Not as much as tim.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,061
    Mr. Eagles, I must be sleepy. I misread that as M15 initially :p
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    I suppose Nadine wont be counting on Kris Hopkins' support for deputy speaker?
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,761
    Tykejohnno said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    David Cameron on the ITV - The Agenda - 10.35pm

    Cam on @tombradby's ITV1 Agenda tonight: EdM 'struck a chord' on energy prices. See PolHome http://www.politicshome.com

    Should be interesting - David Baddiel on as well.
    Interesting tactic by Dave. He's clearly planning to clutch Ed to his bosom and do the killing-with-kindness thing.
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    Next said:

    Next privatisation: The BBC?

    http://www.cityunslicker.co.uk/2013/10/royal-mail-nowbbc-next.html

    Concerning Tory plundering, I came across an article in Private Eye number 1349 (20 Sept to 3 Oct, pages 19-22) entitled "Tax Lies and Videotape (Britain's shadow tax system revealed)" that seems to me to be saying that Osborne, if anything, has made it easier for *rich* individuals and *large* companies to avoid tax.

    I know little economics, but it looks to me to be, err, right on the money.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,061
    Mr. Maaarsh, ah, that explains much. One cannot expect the inhabitants of Mordor to understand the delights of those who dwell in Rivendell.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,260
    @Neil - I think I've found a pair of footwear that make *those* shoes look tame and sober

    http://www.footlocker.eu/gb/en/Shoes/Nike-Air-Max-2013-42.aspx/4207536104
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    edited October 2013
    @Mick_Pork

    "Obama launches a drone strike killing a terrorist? He's still a secret muslim who hates America."

    If, heaven forbid, Obama was a secret muslim, he wouldn't care a damn for the lives of fellow muslims. In every country where islam holds sway, muslims are killing other muslims (of the wrong sect) by the thousand's every day; sometimes every hour. If you wanted to find a religeon of death this is it.

  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    tim said:


    ie the taxpayer is getting ripped off big style

    Just like when Labour sold off what became QinetiQ? Though in that case it was a small coterie of those in the inner circle rather than ordinary people who benefited.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Stark_Dawning said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    David Cameron on the ITV - The Agenda - 10.35pm

    Cam on @tombradby's ITV1 Agenda tonight: EdM 'struck a chord' on energy prices. See PolHome http://www.politicshome.com

    Should be interesting - David Baddiel on as well.
    Interesting tactic by Dave. He's clearly planning to clutch Ed to his bosom and do the killing-with-kindness thing.
    One thing,don't mention Tottenham with Cameron and baddiel together ;-)
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,260
    James Manning ‏@JamesManning4 2m

    Perfect #reshuffle cartoon from @Adamstoon1:

    pic.twitter.com/Amxn7oqtNK

    I'm afraid there are no Blairites left.

    Good Luck

    Liam

  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    MikeK said:

    @Mick_Pork

    "Obama launches a drone strike killing a terrorist? He's still a secret muslim who hates America."

    If, heaven forbid, Obama was a secret muslim

    Is that like if UKIP were "closet racists, loonies and fruitcakes"? Except Cammie didn't say if at all when he called them that.

  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,587
    tim said:

    NickPalmer said:

    That Malala link at 21 is worth reading - regardless of your politics.


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01j9v67
    Broken link?

  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Front pages as they come in -

    http://www.politicshome.com/uk/article/86084/the_daily_telegraph_tuesday_8th_october_2013.html
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,315
    tim said:

    MikeK said:

    @Mick_Pork

    "Obama launches a drone strike killing a terrorist? He's still a secret muslim who hates America."

    If, heaven forbid, Obama was a secret muslim, he wouldn't care a damn for the lives of fellow muslims. In every country where islam holds sway, muslims are killing other muslims (of the wrong sect) by the thousand's every day; sometimes every hour. If wanted to find a religeon of death this is it.

    Did you ever come up with evidence for your claim that 30,000 Brits a year were converting to Islam?

    How about reading Malala Yousafzais piece and listening to her interview before judging an entire religion from the standpoint of those who categorise all Jews or Christians as the same

    Do you agree with Islamic attitudes to alcohol?
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    @TSE

    Your shoes were worse!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,260
    edited October 2013
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    tim said:

    MikeK said:

    @Mick_Pork

    "Obama launches a drone strike killing a terrorist? He's still a secret muslim who hates America."

    If, heaven forbid, Obama was a secret muslim, he wouldn't care a damn for the lives of fellow muslims. In every country where islam holds sway, muslims are killing other muslims (of the wrong sect) by the thousand's every day; sometimes every hour. If wanted to find a religeon of death this is it.

    Did you ever come up with evidence for your claim that 30,000 Brits a year were converting to Islam?

    How about reading Malala Yousafzais piece and listening to her interview before judging an entire religion from the standpoint of those who categorise all Jews or Christians as the same

    Do you agree with Islamic attitudes to alcohol?
    I've said it before, no alcohol, no gambling, no porn, no sex before marriage, no wonder so many young Muslims want to blow themselves up.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    Karzai leading the news on his leaving and the power sharing deal with the Taliban.

    This will definitely end well.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,260
    Apologies for linking to a screen grab of an EDL supporting website, but they manage to dish Malala, and prove once again, that they are utter douches, and the bags you put the douche in

    EDLNewsXtra ‏@EDLNewsXtra 6m

    Malala Yousafzai, who fought Islamic Extremism for real, continues to be held in low regard, by the #EDL.

    http://twitpic.com/dgglow
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,315
    tim said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    tim said:

    MikeK said:

    @Mick_Pork

    "Obama launches a drone strike killing a terrorist? He's still a secret muslim who hates America."

    If, heaven forbid, Obama was a secret muslim, he wouldn't care a damn for the lives of fellow muslims. In every country where islam holds sway, muslims are killing other muslims (of the wrong sect) by the thousand's every day; sometimes every hour. If wanted to find a religeon of death this is it.

    Did you ever come up with evidence for your claim that 30,000 Brits a year were converting to Islam?

    How about reading Malala Yousafzais piece and listening to her interview before judging an entire religion from the standpoint of those who categorise all Jews or Christians as the same

    Do you agree with Islamic attitudes to alcohol?
    I don't "agree" with much religious teaching


    So why are you so quick to defend Islam?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,260
    Neil said:

    @TSE

    Your shoes were worse!

    Harsh but fair
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    tim said:

    MikeK said:

    @Mick_Pork

    "Obama launches a drone strike killing a terrorist? He's still a secret muslim who hates America."

    If, heaven forbid, Obama was a secret muslim, he wouldn't care a damn for the lives of fellow muslims. In every country where islam holds sway, muslims are killing other muslims (of the wrong sect) by the thousand's every day; sometimes every hour. If wanted to find a religeon of death this is it.

    Did you ever come up with evidence for your claim that 30,000 Brits a year were converting to Islam?

    How about reading Malala Yousafzais piece and listening to her interview before judging an entire religion from the standpoint of those who categorise all Jews or Christians as the same

    One Malala (and more power to her elbow) does not change the facts that I have written, that is staring you in the face every day and which you ignore because it doesn't suit your bigoted ethos.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    Crikey! ;^ )
    John Simkin ‏@johnsimkin 6h

    I have just posted a very rare photograph of Lord Rothermere with Hitler and Goebbels. Feel free to share. http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/BUrothermere.htm …
    Interesting read too.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    another_richard said:

    Can anyone remember Charles's anecdote about Cameron ?

    Not the museum anecdote where Cameron ignored everyone but the African but the one where Charles's mum was ignored by Cameron at a dinner.

    I think it might cast more light on the reshuffle.

    It wasn't that she was ignored: he was very polite and courteous.

    It was that he "doesn't know how to listen".

  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    There are converts both into and out of Islam.

    Though converts out of Islam are often quiet about it, for cultural reasons:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7355515.stm

    A third of British muslims support the death penalty for those who leave Islam according to this article.

    Despite this persecution, there is quite an active house church movement in Iran.

    http://www.elam.com/articles/The-Church-In-Iran/

    MikeK said:

    tim said:

    MikeK said:

    @Mick_Pork

    "Obama launches a drone strike killing a terrorist? He's still a secret muslim who hates America."

    If, heaven forbid, Obama was a secret muslim, he wouldn't care a damn for the lives of fellow muslims. In every country where islam holds sway, muslims are killing other muslims (of the wrong sect) by the thousand's every day; sometimes every hour. If wanted to find a religeon of death this is it.

    Did you ever come up with evidence for your claim that 30,000 Brits a year were converting to Islam?

    How about reading Malala Yousafzais piece and listening to her interview before judging an entire religion from the standpoint of those who categorise all Jews or Christians as the same

    One Malala (and more power to her elbow) does not change the facts that I have written, that is staring you in the face every day and which you ignore because it doesn't suit your bigoted ethos.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,847
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    maaarsh - Fighting talk, I was born and bred in Sheffield.

    Another Richard - It is, especially if you go on the local stopping service, rather than Manchester Airport service.

    Stark Dawning - Supertram is a success, they are finally expanding it to my part of Sheffield for HS2

    Supertram suffered some big PR blows in the early years, which it has never recovered from in some quarters. ISTR that was due to the choice of lines and stations in the middle of nowhere, but development helped these; perhaps the Supertram actually enabled them. I haven't been to Sheffield much since I dated a girl there, and when I went to Sheffield Midland station a couple of years ago I was amazed at the transformation. What had been a grey, bleak area was now all glass and grass.

    These light rail projects in the UK never make their money back in terms of fares. What they do is enable travel and business. The same thing happened in Nottingham and Croydon, two other tram networks I know a small amount about.

    On another note: I don't agree with Tim about much, by on Malala we're as one. An inspirational and rather brave young woman. It's a shame she didn't get Time's POTY last year. She would have been a much better and wiser choice than Obama, again.

    Indeed, how about the Nobel Peace Price for Malala? She'd certainly fit in more easily with Tawakol Karman than Obama.

    Although I'm rather hesitant about thrusting such a young person further into the limelight.
  • SouthCoastKevinSouthCoastKevin Posts: 158
    DavidL said:

    The first key difference between Blair and Brown and Cameron and Osborne is that the latter trust each other. This takes a lot of the tension and "balancing" out of reshuffles.

    The second and more important difference is that the latter are in fact trustworthy. What a difference to government that makes.

    I think this absolutely right and a really important point. Sure, there have been mistakes (certainly of presentation, and also of policy I'm sure most people would say) but the government seems to have been more or less stable over the last three years. Which is all the more remarkable considering the economic situation and the fact that there are two different parties in government.

    Personally, I've found the latter point easy to forget, given the contrast between this government's relative harmony and the backbiting and off-the-record briefing that characterised the previous government.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Apologies for linking to a screen grab of an EDL supporting website, but they manage to dish Malala, and prove once again, that they are utter douches, and the bags you put the douche in

    EDLNewsXtra ‏@EDLNewsXtra 6m

    Malala Yousafzai, who fought Islamic Extremism for real, continues to be held in low regard, by the #EDL.

    http://twitpic.com/dgglow

    I like to look on the optimistic side of things. At least there were only about 3 posters on the website
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Some selection campaign videos for likely new UKIP MEPs

    (second in SW)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVmPPl7Qw2E#t=73

    (first in East)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRUlH4u5qqg

    (top in Wales)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQ5PHRm8BPM

    (top in Yorkshire)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzXhpCvET_U

    (second in SE)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCYyTzBo4S0

    (top in West Midlands)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxVHlwoSQZ4

    (second in NW)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGO5HyWr6tQ

    (second in East Midlands)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iKcSo599I8

    I leave out sitting MPs, Diane James (as you probably already saw her in action) and a couple who didn't upload a short video.
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    uhm, is there a way to link videos without having them appear on the comment? I mean, I would like to post just the www.link instead of inviding all the comment section
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,260
    AndreaParma_82 said:

    uhm, is there a way to link videos without having them appear on the comment? I mean, I would like to post just the www.link instead of inviding all the comment section

    No, vanilla automatically converts the youtube link into a video preview screen
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,875
    Charles said:

    another_richard said:

    Can anyone remember Charles's anecdote about Cameron ?

    Not the museum anecdote where Cameron ignored everyone but the African but the one where Charles's mum was ignored by Cameron at a dinner.

    I think it might cast more light on the reshuffle.

    It wasn't that she was ignored: he was very polite and courteous.

    It was that he "doesn't know how to listen".

    Thanks Charles.
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    TSE

    Thanks. So you have to see all the UKIP winnable candidates or be damned!
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,295
    Gavin Williamson to be Dave's new PPS (via Kris Hopkins twitter). Excellent choice.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Mick_Pork said:

    Crikey! ;^ )

    John Simkin ‏@johnsimkin 6h

    I have just posted a very rare photograph of Lord Rothermere with Hitler and Goebbels. Feel free to share. http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/BUrothermere.htm …
    Interesting read too.

    All the best people met Hitler...
    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_AuPoOCVtSzM/Sy9irajwf0I/AAAAAAAAApM/nLXmU9jpxWg/s1600/Hitler+&+Lloyd+George+at+Obersalzburg+during+George's+second+visit.jpg

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_AuPoOCVtSzM/S1pv6I-Lb0I/AAAAAAAABjk/RkwrcG04e1w/s1600/The+Duke+and+Duchess+of+Windsor+with+Hitler.jpg

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11660668

  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    Hardly a surprise.
    Shayan Billbas ‏@shayanbillbas 28s

    It is believed that the proposal for press self regulation has been rejected by the privy council. #Leveson
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    MagsNews ‏@MagsNews 51s

    Very intereting discussion on Newsnight re #pressreform. #Leveson discussions at Privy Council - to be deferred to end of Oct.
    Ah, well. No harm in delaying it. :)
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    tim said:

    @iankatz1000: .@BBCAllegra reveals privy council committee has rejected press's plan for beefed up regulation regime. Expect v angry papers tomorrow...

    He means angrier though they will struggle to top 'Leveson hates Britain' thanks to Dacre's PR genius.

  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    Nice cartoon BTW marf. The way you've drawn her hair makes it look like the 'interloper' has a very amusing Santa beard and moustache. Dashing. ;)
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    tim said:

    Leveson
    Child Benefit Fines
    Royal Mail rip off

    Three stories for the right wing press to express gratitude to Cameron over

    Nothing on labour and lets get on with HS2 project then.

  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/oct/07/jeremy-hunt-claims-against-andy-burnham

    Hold on ! This cannot be correct. I thought Labour was going to be in trouble on this. The PBTories told us....
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    tim said:

    @iankatz1000: .@BBCAllegra reveals privy council committee has rejected press's plan for beefed up regulation regime. Expect v angry papers tomorrow...

    Not sure the papers will be angry, tim.

    This is a perfect outcome for those resisting the imposition of regulation by politicians and makes an agreed regulatory solution before the next GE less likely.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,847
    surbiton said:

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/oct/07/jeremy-hunt-claims-against-andy-burnham

    Hold on ! This cannot be correct. I thought Labour was going to be in trouble on this. The PBTories told us....

    Still not sure if I classify as one of those mythical beasts, a PBTory, but I said on here that Burnham must have thought he was on firm ground with this one.

    Although the story may not yet be over, in either direction.
  • RichardNabaviRichardNabavi Posts: 3,413
    What did Mark Hoban do wrong?
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    tim said:

    Charles said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Apologies for linking to a screen grab of an EDL supporting website, but they manage to dish Malala, and prove once again, that they are utter douches, and the bags you put the douche in

    EDLNewsXtra ‏@EDLNewsXtra 6m

    Malala Yousafzai, who fought Islamic Extremism for real, continues to be held in low regard, by the #EDL.

    http://twitpic.com/dgglow

    I like to look on the optimistic side of things. At least there were only about 3 posters on the website
    Is English their second or third language?, Malala vs the EDL in a spelling death match is what we need
    One of the reasons the left hate the EDL so much is that they genuinely are a working class organisation. Along with that comes with generally poor standards of literacy and less developed communication skills.

    An easy target for metropolitan leftie elites.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,847
    Oh, and link 23 is nothing. As usual, when it comes to alcohol, the Russians do it with style:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8ZmOgMlyRE
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,761
    surbiton said:

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/oct/07/jeremy-hunt-claims-against-andy-burnham

    Hold on ! This cannot be correct. I thought Labour was going to be in trouble on this. The PBTories told us....

    Hunt weighed up his options: a messy court case for Labour at some point in the distant future, or keep Burnham in post as the continuous face of 'NHS under Labour'. Hunt made his decision.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    surbiton said:

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/oct/07/jeremy-hunt-claims-against-andy-burnham

    Hold on ! This cannot be correct. I thought Labour was going to be in trouble on this. The PBTories told us....

    It is only the Guardian spinning that line, Surby.

    Hunt has not apologised nor withdrawn his tweet.

    He has written to Burnham highlighting the basis of his accusation: that the Department of Health under Burnham imposed restrictions on the CQC's briefings to the media.

    It is quite evident from the published emails that this was the perception of CQC officials.

    Hunt is undertaking to legislate to prevent such political interference in future.

    Over to Burnham and his legal team.



  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Did Mike win his bet on Michael Moore?
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    tim said:

    Charles said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Apologies for linking to a screen grab of an EDL supporting website, but they manage to dish Malala, and prove once again, that they are utter douches, and the bags you put the douche in

    EDLNewsXtra ‏@EDLNewsXtra 6m

    Malala Yousafzai, who fought Islamic Extremism for real, continues to be held in low regard, by the #EDL.

    http://twitpic.com/dgglow

    I like to look on the optimistic side of things. At least there were only about 3 posters on the website
    Is English their second or third language?, Malala vs the EDL in a spelling death match is what we need
    o, goodness. I hadn't realised it was English they were writing in!
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited October 2013
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    AndreaParma_82 said:

    uhm, is there a way to link videos without having them appear on the comment? I mean, I would like to post just the www.link instead of inviding all the comment section

    No, vanilla automatically converts the youtube link into a video preview screen
    I thought that you could do it by missing off the initial http://
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,734
    SouthCoastKevin said:

    DavidL said:

    The first key difference between Blair and Brown and Cameron and Osborne is that the latter trust each other. This takes a lot of the tension and "balancing" out of reshuffles.

    The second and more important difference is that the latter are in fact trustworthy. What a difference to government that makes.

    I think this absolutely right and a really important point. Sure, there have been mistakes (certainly of presentation, and also of policy I'm sure most people would say) but the government seems to have been more or less stable over the last three years. Which is all the more remarkable considering the economic situation and the fact that there are two different parties in government.

    Personally, I've found the latter point easy to forget, given the contrast between this government's relative harmony and the backbiting and off-the-record briefing that characterised the previous government.
    I have tended to think the same, and give them some credit for that, but in fairness I don't really remember the early New Labour years, so it I don't really have a conception of how outwardly stable yet internally bitter it may have been in the early days, when the latter years were so full of bile and lies about unity. I imagine during the last days of the Tories in 1997 and what popular history tells me was an impression of oodles of sleaze all over the place, many youngsters found it strange to have a non-tained by sleaze governing group (at that stage and comparitively though it may have been).
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    RichardNabavi said:

    What did Mark Hoban do wrong?

    Never mind hoban,what did Alistair Burt do wrong,I thought he was a great Communicator at the foreign office.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    surbiton said:

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/oct/07/jeremy-hunt-claims-against-andy-burnham

    Hold on ! This cannot be correct. I thought Labour was going to be in trouble on this. The PBTories told us....

    They're always wrong and they never learn.

    The tory comedy spinners on PB are all the proof anyone ever needs of that.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,734
    Charles said:

    tim said:

    Charles said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Apologies for linking to a screen grab of an EDL supporting website, but they manage to dish Malala, and prove once again, that they are utter douches, and the bags you put the douche in

    EDLNewsXtra ‏@EDLNewsXtra 6m

    Malala Yousafzai, who fought Islamic Extremism for real, continues to be held in low regard, by the #EDL.

    http://twitpic.com/dgglow

    I like to look on the optimistic side of things. At least there were only about 3 posters on the website
    Is English their second or third language?, Malala vs the EDL in a spelling death match is what we need
    o, goodness. I hadn't realised it was English they were writing in!
    It certainly has opened my eyes to a whole new range of inventive hateful slurs I was previously unaware of - thanks EDL, keep it classy!
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    tim said:

    AveryLP said:

    tim said:

    @iankatz1000: .@BBCAllegra reveals privy council committee has rejected press's plan for beefed up regulation regime. Expect v angry papers tomorrow...

    Not sure the papers will be angry, tim.

    This is a perfect outcome for those resisting the imposition of regulation by politicians and makes an agreed regulatory solution before the next GE less likely.
    The mistake you always make is thinking Cameron commands the support of his backbenchers
    The mistake you always make is to think that anyone but Cameron controls the legislative agenda.

  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    edited October 2013
    Josias, you are correct, this story doesn't appear to be over yet. Hunt has not apologised to Andy Burnham, and the original tweet is still there in the public domain. Hunt has also now tweeted a link to his letter in response to Andy Burnham, and it looks like a very robust defence of his position on this issue.
    JosiasJessop said:

    surbiton said:

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/oct/07/jeremy-hunt-claims-against-andy-burnham

    Hold on ! This cannot be correct. I thought Labour was going to be in trouble on this. The PBTories told us....

    Still not sure if I classify as one of those mythical beasts, a PBTory, but I said on here that Burnham must have thought he was on firm ground with this one.

    Although the story may not yet be over, in either direction.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,761
    AveryLP said:



    Hunt is undertaking to legislate to prevent such political interference in future.

    Quite right. Whatever you think of Hunt, even he wouldn't claim to be able to outlaw lying Labour ministers in the future. It was weak and failing processes he had in his sights. Strange though that Burnham panicked and immediately presumed it was all about him. The strength of paranoia gripping the man must be debilitating.
  • RichardNabaviRichardNabavi Posts: 3,413
    As for Ed's reshuffle... Tristram Hunt??? Is Ed mad?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Privy council rejects press's alternative charter.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    tim said:

    AveryLP said:

    tim said:

    AveryLP said:

    tim said:

    @iankatz1000: .@BBCAllegra reveals privy council committee has rejected press's plan for beefed up regulation regime. Expect v angry papers tomorrow...

    Not sure the papers will be angry, tim.

    This is a perfect outcome for those resisting the imposition of regulation by politicians and makes an agreed regulatory solution before the next GE less likely.
    The mistake you always make is thinking Cameron commands the support of his backbenchers
    The mistake you always make is to think that anyone but Cameron controls the legislative agenda.

    Cameron doesn't want to get isolated on this
    Nah. What could possibly go wrong?
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    RichardNabavi said:

    As for Ed's reshuffle... Tristram Hunt??? Is Ed mad?

    I know,a Tristram on labours front bench ;-)
  • RichardNabaviRichardNabavi Posts: 3,413
    Tykejohnno said:

    RichardNabavi said:

    As for Ed's reshuffle... Tristram Hunt??? Is Ed mad?

    I know,a Tristram on labours front bench ;-)
    And one who is such a tediously on-message speak-your-weight machine that he makes Yvette Cooper sound almost natural.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,827
    notme said:

    tim said:

    Charles said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Apologies for linking to a screen grab of an EDL supporting website, but they manage to dish Malala, and prove once again, that they are utter douches, and the bags you put the douche in

    EDLNewsXtra ‏@EDLNewsXtra 6m

    Malala Yousafzai, who fought Islamic Extremism for real, continues to be held in low regard, by the #EDL.

    http://twitpic.com/dgglow

    I like to look on the optimistic side of things. At least there were only about 3 posters on the website
    Is English their second or third language?, Malala vs the EDL in a spelling death match is what we need
    One of the reasons the left hate the EDL so much is that they genuinely are a working class organisation. Along with that comes with generally poor standards of literacy and less developed communication skills.

    An easy target for metropolitan leftie elites.
    So, people what can spell and knows grammar is metropolitan elites now?
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    It looks as if the "Toffs" jibe will be retired then.

    He is quite articulate, but a public schoolboy as Education spokesman for the Labour party says it all...
    Tykejohnno said:

    RichardNabavi said:

    As for Ed's reshuffle... Tristram Hunt??? Is Ed mad?

    I know,a Tristram on labours front bench ;-)
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