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  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,749
    TOPPING said:

    DavidL said:

    TOPPING said:

    DavidL said:

    TOPPING said:

    DavidL said:


    As you should know gentlemen don't discuss these things Carlotta but let's just say that with the collapse of Jute, Jam and Journalism the City is exploring other options.
    How is Dundee getting on in the league?
    I am not a Dundee fan being a Dundee United man but I understand that Dundee are very sportingly giving the rest of the league a head start to make it more interesting, just like Man U.
    I meant the blow job league!

    Jeez David do I have to explain my jokes now!!??
    Err possibly. There's a blow job league?
    It must be too early for both of us...
    A bit premature?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    AfD woman on R4 completely lost it.

    When talking about crime stats she said that murders are up but that less bicycles were being stolen.

    FEWER FFS!
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,504
    TOPPING said:

    DavidL said:

    TOPPING said:

    DavidL said:


    As you should know gentlemen don't discuss these things Carlotta but let's just say that with the collapse of Jute, Jam and Journalism the City is exploring other options.
    How is Dundee getting on in the league?
    I am not a Dundee fan being a Dundee United man but I understand that Dundee are very sportingly giving the rest of the league a head start to make it more interesting, just like Man U.
    I meant the blow job league!

    Jeez David do I have to explain my jokes now!!??
    There’s obtuse and there’s deliberately obtuse!
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992

    TOPPING said:

    DavidL said:

    TOPPING said:

    DavidL said:


    As you should know gentlemen don't discuss these things Carlotta but let's just say that with the collapse of Jute, Jam and Journalism the City is exploring other options.
    How is Dundee getting on in the league?
    I am not a Dundee fan being a Dundee United man but I understand that Dundee are very sportingly giving the rest of the league a head start to make it more interesting, just like Man U.
    I meant the blow job league!

    Jeez David do I have to explain my jokes now!!??
    There’s obtuse and there’s deliberately obtuse!
    :smile:
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    RobD said:

    A Douglas!

    Isn’t that a 2:2 (Douglas Tutu) not third?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,814
    Mr. Topping, shade unfair expecting a German lady to know the difference between less and fewer.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,507
    Charles said:

    RobD said:

    A Douglas!

    Isn’t that a 2:2 (Douglas Tutu) not third?
    Desmond Tutu (2:2)

    Douglas Hurd (3rd)
  • DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Did you not link to this egregious special pleading yesterday?
    In general, yes, but not this article.

    All teachers rely on repetition to make sure that important points are fully understood.
    I've fallen into your trap, haven't I?
    :wink:
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298

    Freggles said:

    I have to admit I quite like Tezza now . Clearly she's helped by being around at the same time as JRM, Corbyn and Trump, but still....

    People warming to the demob-happy, I-don't-give-a-shit Tezza......
    The dancing is the best thing she’s done since her speech upon becoming PM.

    Impossible not to warm to her, and you can tell that foreign aid, and helping children and women are frankly what she wholly believes in and enjoys.

    Tory social media should be working overtime with mash ups of the dancing clips.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    edited August 2018

    Mr. Topping, shade unfair expecting a German lady to know the difference between less and fewer.

    Are you saying she had been framed? Or was she just saddled with an inadequate knowledge of English when she spoke?
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,208
    edited August 2018

    Freggles said:

    I have to admit I quite like Tezza now . Clearly she's helped by being around at the same time as JRM, Corbyn and Trump, but still....

    She’s dismally inept and lacking in any charisma or vision, but she evidently has a strong sense of duty and is not intentionally actively malign. I wouldn’t go as far as “like” but as you say she benefits from comparison with alternatives.
    Inept and lacking in vision are surely the required qualities for a Brexit PM? A mediocrity delivering the mediocre. I for one don't blame Theresa May for Brexit to date turning out the way I expected it to turn out.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426

    Tory social media should be working overtime with mash ups of the dancing clips.

    Please no. Some of us might want to eat something today.

    Well, depending on how India bat.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,507

    Freggles said:

    I have to admit I quite like Tezza now . Clearly she's helped by being around at the same time as JRM, Corbyn and Trump, but still....

    She’s dismally inept and lacking in any charisma or vision, but she evidently has a strong sense of duty and is not intentionally actively malign. I wouldn’t go as far as “like” but as you say she benefits from comparison with alternatives.
    Put you down as a maybe?
  • Charles said:

    RobD said:

    A Douglas!

    Isn’t that a 2:2 (Douglas Tutu) not third?
    Who was Douglas Tutu? Desmond’s younger brother?

    Is this a way of showing that you were above such things?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,206
    At the moment the likeliest candidates to win the Democratic nomination in 2020 to face Trump in polling are Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders but if Sanders does not run Elizabeth Warren has a good chance too
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,301

    rkrkrk said:

    It's tricky though. I can see that teachers in other subjects might be a bit put out by their colleagues suddenly getting a pay bump? Is it common already for teachers of different subjects to get less or more...?
    Not formally, though there are recruitment and retention allowances available which some schools use. I was given a management point on the old scale early in my career which was essentially one of these; the school then had to scrabble around trying to come up with something for me to do to justify it.
    Ah okay. I know a few young science teachers socially and they are pretty much all very bright and passionate about their work. I don't know that you can get people like that just be offering a bit more money. My suspicion would be that providing prestige/career incentives might be more successful.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,206
    rkrkrk said:

    It's tricky though. I can see that teachers in other subjects might be a bit put out by their colleagues suddenly getting a pay bump? Is it common already for teachers of different subjects to get less or more...?
    STEM teachers certainly used to get bigger bursaries in training and also more attractive starting packages as there were in shorter supply than arts and humanities teachers
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    HYUFD said:

    At the moment the likeliest candidates to win the Democratic nomination in 2020 to face Trump in polling are Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders but if Sanders does not run Elizabeth Warren has a good chance too

    The likelihood of either of those running, never mind winning, is the same as the probability of TSE ordering a 20-inch Hawaiian with extra pineapple.

    Yes, you will think I'm wrong. Please don't bother to say so. On the next leader markets for both the Tories and the Dems your posts are becoming very tedious and they offer no insight.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Alex Salmond has, once again, gone rogue.

    Accusations that the former first minister and Scottish National Party (SNP) leader sexually harassed two women during his time in office have highlighted a potential split in the party that could change the course of the independence movement.

    If unchecked, it could result in two distinct strands of Scottish nationalism: a hardcore of Salmond supporters (the Salmondites) aggressively pushing for independence and a more moderate strain led by his friend and successor Nicola Sturgeon (the Sturgeonites)....

    Andrew Collier is a writer, broadcaster, author and commentator, and a former communications adviser and speechwriter to both Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon.


    https://www.politico.eu/article/alex-salmond-sexual-harassment-allegations/
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,504
    FF43 said:

    Freggles said:

    I have to admit I quite like Tezza now . Clearly she's helped by being around at the same time as JRM, Corbyn and Trump, but still....

    She’s dismally inept and lacking in any charisma or vision, but she evidently has a strong sense of duty and is not intentionally actively malign. I wouldn’t go as far as “like” but as you say she benefits from comparison with alternatives.
    Inept and lacking in vision are surely the required qualities for a Brexit PM? A mediocrity delivering the mediocre. I for one don't blame Theresa May for Brexit to date turning out the way I expected it to turn out.
    Mrs May was ‘there’ when Cameron resigned and the opposition candidates fell into pits of their own making. She doesn’t believe in Brexit, she said, but ‘it’s the will of country’ so as a good technician, as opposed to ideas person she’s implementing it.
    After all it’s the duty of a Conservative to ensure their side is in power, not to take ideological positions.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,301
    HYUFD said:

    rkrkrk said:

    It's tricky though. I can see that teachers in other subjects might be a bit put out by their colleagues suddenly getting a pay bump? Is it common already for teachers of different subjects to get less or more...?
    STEM teachers certainly used to get bigger bursaries in training and also more attractive starting packages as there were in shorter supply than arts and humanities teachers
    Yes you're right. That feels slightly more defensible, as it's basically paying a premium to get you into the profession. But then once you're there, you earn the same as an english teacher at the same level...
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    ydoethur said:

    Tory social media should be working overtime with mash ups of the dancing clips.

    Please no. Some of us might want to eat something today.
    Too late!

    https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1035276976339148800
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    Freggles said:

    I have to admit I quite like Tezza now . Clearly she's helped by being around at the same time as JRM, Corbyn and Trump, but still....

    She’s dismally inept and lacking in any charisma or vision, but she evidently has a strong sense of duty and is not intentionally actively malign. I wouldn’t go as far as “like” but as you say she benefits from comparison with alternatives.
    Put you down as a maybe?
    Hell will freeze over before I vote for the current incarnation of the Conservative party.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,208

    Mr. Topping, shade unfair expecting a German lady to know the difference between less and fewer.

    Less is more, as a German once said.
  • We are a very good school, but we lose good young teachers both to the independent sector, where better pay is one of the attractions, and out of teaching because they cannot afford to buy a house round here on a teacher’s salary. We are also very unusual in that normally the entire Physics department have Physics degrees, although the current hod only has a degree in Natural Science. The main problem is getting Physics graduates to even think about teaching.

    What we really need is a good rescission...
  • Jeremy Corbyn is accused of misleading MPs after failing to disclose private meeting with Holocaust denier in Parliament

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6115547/Jeremy-Corbyn-accused-misleading-Parliament-holding-private-meeting-Holocaust-denier.html
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    Freggles said:

    I have to admit I quite like Tezza now . Clearly she's helped by being around at the same time as JRM, Corbyn and Trump, but still....

    She’s dismally inept and lacking in any charisma or vision, but she evidently has a strong sense of duty and is not intentionally actively malign. I wouldn’t go as far as “like” but as you say she benefits from comparison with alternatives.
    Put you down as a maybe?
    Hell will freeze over before I vote for the current incarnation of the Conservative party.
    That rather depends on whether Hell is expanding faster than souls are being added to it:

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hell-endothermic-exothermic/
  • Freggles said:

    I have to admit I quite like Tezza now . Clearly she's helped by being around at the same time as JRM, Corbyn and Trump, but still....

    She’s dismally inept and lacking in any charisma or vision, but she evidently has a strong sense of duty and is not intentionally actively malign. I wouldn’t go as far as “like” but as you say she benefits from comparison with alternatives.
    Put you down as a maybe?
    Hell will freeze over before I vote for the current incarnation of the Conservative party.
    Have you read Dante’s Inferno? I draw your attention to the ninth circle...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426

    What we really need is a good rescission...

    This is why we still need teachers in good literary subjects like wot History is. :smiley:

    And why we should of course be paid more :wink:
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216


    What we really need is a good rescission...

    How's your English department? ;-p
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,628

    Charles said:

    RobD said:

    A Douglas!

    Isn’t that a 2:2 (Douglas Tutu) not third?
    Who was Douglas Tutu? Desmond’s younger brother?

    Is this a way of showing that you were above such things?
    I'm sure Charles must have got a Randolph..... in the days when a first meant something more than how many cereal packet tops you had collected.
  • ydoethur said:

    What we really need is a good rescission...

    This is why we still need teachers in good literary subjects like wot History is. :smiley:

    And why we should of course be paid more :wink:
    I blame the spellcheck.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426

    ydoethur said:

    Tory social media should be working overtime with mash ups of the dancing clips.

    Please no. Some of us might want to eat something today.
    Too late!

    https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1035276976339148800
    That strange noise you heard from South Staffordshire was me projectile vomiting.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426

    ydoethur said:

    What we really need is a good rescission...

    This is why we still need teachers in good literary subjects like wot History is. :smiley:

    And why we should of course be paid more :wink:
    I blame the spellcheck.
    Bloody scientists, always blaming the equipment when things go wrong.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,206

    Freggles said:

    I have to admit I quite like Tezza now . Clearly she's helped by being around at the same time as JRM, Corbyn and Trump, but still....

    She’s dismally inept and lacking in any charisma or vision, but she evidently has a strong sense of duty and is not intentionally actively malign. I wouldn’t go as far as “like” but as you say she benefits from comparison with alternatives.
    Put you down as a maybe?
    Hell will freeze over before I vote for the current incarnation of the Conservative party.
    As a matter of interest when was the last time you voted Conservative?
  • Coca-Cola is to buy the Costa coffee chain from owner Whitbread in a deal worth £3.9bn.

  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,413

    Freggles said:

    I have to admit I quite like Tezza now . Clearly she's helped by being around at the same time as JRM, Corbyn and Trump, but still....

    She’s dismally inept and lacking in any charisma or vision, but she evidently has a strong sense of duty and is not intentionally actively malign. I wouldn’t go as far as “like” but as you say she benefits from comparison with alternatives.
    Put you down as a maybe?
    Hell will freeze over before I vote for the current incarnation of the Conservative party.
    hows that news ?

    If the party was headed by Graham Norton on a treble lawyers salaries and free houses for people born in Norfolk platform you'd still vote for someone else
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,206
    edited August 2018
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    At the moment the likeliest candidates to win the Democratic nomination in 2020 to face Trump in polling are Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders but if Sanders does not run Elizabeth Warren has a good chance too

    The likelihood of either of those running, never mind winning, is the same as the probability of TSE ordering a 20-inch Hawaiian with extra pineapple.

    Yes, you will think I'm wrong. Please don't bother to say so. On the next leader markets for both the Tories and the Dems your posts are becoming very tedious and they offer no insight.
    Well think that if you wish but aides to both Biden and Sanders are clear they are looking to run in 2020 and most be considered the early favourites. Indeed of the last 4 candidates nominated by parties to face incumbent Presidents after only one term out of the White House, Romney, Kerry, Dole and Mondale all were over 60 bar Mondale who was still over 50 or over 70 in Dole's case and experienced Senators or a former Governor or Vice President much like Sanders and Biden
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,773

    We are a very good school, but we lose good young teachers both to the independent sector, where better pay is one of the attractions, and out of teaching because they cannot afford to buy a house round here on a teacher’s salary. We are also very unusual in that normally the entire Physics department have Physics degrees, although the current hod only has a degree in Natural Science. The main problem is getting Physics graduates to even think about teaching.

    What we really need is a good rescission...

    Teaching is like any public sector job. Great in cheap areas, where your pay is on average likely to be higher than the surrounding average work, but not so good in expensive areas.
  • ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    What we really need is a good rescission...

    This is why we still need teachers in good literary subjects like wot History is. :smiley:

    And why we should of course be paid more :wink:
    I blame the spellcheck.
    Bloody scientists, always blaming the equipment when things go wrong.
    You know the saying:
    If it moves it’s Biology,
    If it smells it’s Chemistry
    And if it doesn’t work it’s Physics.
  • We are a very good school, but we lose good young teachers both to the independent sector, where better pay is one of the attractions, and out of teaching because they cannot afford to buy a house round here on a teacher’s salary. We are also very unusual in that normally the entire Physics department have Physics degrees, although the current hod only has a degree in Natural Science. The main problem is getting Physics graduates to even think about teaching.

    What we really need is a good rescission...

    Teaching is like any public sector job. Great in cheap areas, where your pay is on average likely to be higher than the surrounding average work, but not so good in expensive areas.
    True. But if you get a teaching job in an area with cheap housing that may bring its own challenges.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,773
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    At the moment the likeliest candidates to win the Democratic nomination in 2020 to face Trump in polling are Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders but if Sanders does not run Elizabeth Warren has a good chance too

    The likelihood of either of those running, never mind winning, is the same as the probability of TSE ordering a 20-inch Hawaiian with extra pineapple.

    Yes, you will think I'm wrong. Please don't bother to say so. On the next leader markets for both the Tories and the Dems your posts are becoming very tedious and they offer no insight.
    Well think that if you wish but aides to both Biden and Sanders are clear they are looking to run in 2020 and most be considered the early favourites. Indeed of the last 4 candidates nominated by parties to face incumbent Presidents after only one term out of the White House, Romney, Kerry, Dole and Mondale all were over 60, or over 70 in Dole's case and experienced Senators or a former Governor or Vice President much like Sanders and Biden
    It is reather strange how, if the dems are looking to attract the young millenials, they're going for two old white men as the front runners.
  • mattmatt Posts: 3,789
    Dura_Ace said:

    This is the kind of thing that gives me a bit of sympathy for her, lumbered with Brexit and doggedly trying to reconcile the voters' impossibly contradictory expectations, dancing like no-one is watching.
    The Maybot Dance is to TM what antisemitism is to JC. Idiotic, revolting and should be the death of any political career but they double down and own it instead.
    Does milk curdle when you look at it? It seems that there’s no subject on which you’re anything but sour.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    ydoethur said:

    What we really need is a good rescission...

    This is why we still need teachers in good literary subjects like wot History is. :smiley:

    And why we should of course be paid more :wink:
    The case for paying lawyers more is not made often enough.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    HYUFD said:

    Freggles said:

    I have to admit I quite like Tezza now . Clearly she's helped by being around at the same time as JRM, Corbyn and Trump, but still....

    She’s dismally inept and lacking in any charisma or vision, but she evidently has a strong sense of duty and is not intentionally actively malign. I wouldn’t go as far as “like” but as you say she benefits from comparison with alternatives.
    Put you down as a maybe?
    Hell will freeze over before I vote for the current incarnation of the Conservative party.
    As a matter of interest when was the last time you voted Conservative?
    Boris Johnson for Mayor in 2012.
  • ydoethur said:

    What we really need is a good rescission...

    This is why we still need teachers in good literary subjects like wot History is. :smiley:

    And why we should of course be paid more :wink:
    The case for paying lawyers more is not made often enough.
    Surely a lawyer who can’t argue the case for an increase in pay successfully isn’t a very good lawyer and so doesn’t deserve it?
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,413

    ydoethur said:

    What we really need is a good rescission...

    This is why we still need teachers in good literary subjects like wot History is. :smiley:

    And why we should of course be paid more :wink:
    The case for paying lawyers more is not made often enough.
    Surely a lawyer who can’t argue the case for an increase in pay successfully isn’t a very good lawyer and so doesn’t deserve it?
    lol
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426

    We are a very good school, but we lose good young teachers both to the independent sector, where better pay is one of the attractions, and out of teaching because they cannot afford to buy a house round here on a teacher’s salary. We are also very unusual in that normally the entire Physics department have Physics degrees, although the current hod only has a degree in Natural Science. The main problem is getting Physics graduates to even think about teaching.

    What we really need is a good rescission...

    Teaching is like any public sector job. Great in cheap areas, where your pay is on average likely to be higher than the surrounding average work, but not so good in expensive areas.
    True. But if you get a teaching job in an area with cheap housing that may bring its own challenges.
    Yes. It's nice living in an area where a three bed semi including garage and front and back gardens changes hands for £123,000, but I wouldn't want to teach at Staffordshire University Academy.
  • mattmatt Posts: 3,789

    ydoethur said:

    What we really need is a good rescission...

    This is why we still need teachers in good literary subjects like wot History is. :smiley:

    And why we should of course be paid more :wink:
    The case for paying lawyers more is not made often enough.
    Extending each associate’s working day should help you. If not the associate.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426

    ydoethur said:

    What we really need is a good rescission...

    This is why we still need teachers in good literary subjects like wot History is. :smiley:

    And why we should of course be paid more :wink:
    The case for paying lawyers more is not made often enough.
    Really? That's very strange. Why would that be? I thought from personal experience lawyers made it every time they sent in a bill.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426

    HYUFD said:

    Freggles said:

    I have to admit I quite like Tezza now . Clearly she's helped by being around at the same time as JRM, Corbyn and Trump, but still....

    She’s dismally inept and lacking in any charisma or vision, but she evidently has a strong sense of duty and is not intentionally actively malign. I wouldn’t go as far as “like” but as you say she benefits from comparison with alternatives.
    Put you down as a maybe?
    Hell will freeze over before I vote for the current incarnation of the Conservative party.
    As a matter of interest when was the last time you voted Conservative?
    Boris Johnson for Mayor in 2012.
    Well, of all the answers I was expecting I freely admit I wasn't expecting that!
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    ydoethur said:

    What we really need is a good rescission...

    This is why we still need teachers in good literary subjects like wot History is. :smiley:

    And why we should of course be paid more :wink:
    The case for paying lawyers more is not made often enough.
    Surely a lawyer who can’t argue the case for an increase in pay successfully isn’t a very good lawyer and so doesn’t deserve it?
    I didn't say lawyers can't do it. I said the case isn't made often enough.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Freggles said:

    I have to admit I quite like Tezza now . Clearly she's helped by being around at the same time as JRM, Corbyn and Trump, but still....

    She’s dismally inept and lacking in any charisma or vision, but she evidently has a strong sense of duty and is not intentionally actively malign. I wouldn’t go as far as “like” but as you say she benefits from comparison with alternatives.
    Put you down as a maybe?
    Hell will freeze over before I vote for the current incarnation of the Conservative party.
    As a matter of interest when was the last time you voted Conservative?
    Boris Johnson for Mayor in 2012.
    Well, of all the answers I was expecting I freely admit I wasn't expecting that!
    I have only ever voted for two winning candidates. Boris Johnson was the first. The second was Sadiq Khan.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,700
    edited August 2018
    I did think about becoming a history/science teacher but then I saw the pay guide.

    My fashion tastes couldn’t live on a teacher’s salary.

    Even the 13 weeks worth of annual holiday and the 9 to 3 hours couldn’t offset that.
  • Coca-Cola is to buy the Costa coffee chain from owner Whitbread in a deal worth £3.9bn.

    Whitbread paid £19 million for Costa in 1995. Some investment
  • ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Freggles said:

    I have to admit I quite like Tezza now . Clearly she's helped by being around at the same time as JRM, Corbyn and Trump, but still....

    She’s dismally inept and lacking in any charisma or vision, but she evidently has a strong sense of duty and is not intentionally actively malign. I wouldn’t go as far as “like” but as you say she benefits from comparison with alternatives.
    Put you down as a maybe?
    Hell will freeze over before I vote for the current incarnation of the Conservative party.
    As a matter of interest when was the last time you voted Conservative?
    Boris Johnson for Mayor in 2012.
    Well, of all the answers I was expecting I freely admit I wasn't expecting that!
    I have only ever voted for two winning candidates. Boris Johnson was the first. The second was Sadiq Khan.
    You haven’t lived until you’re one of just 754 people who voted for a candidate in a Westminster election.
  • ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Freggles said:

    I have to admit I quite like Tezza now . Clearly she's helped by being around at the same time as JRM, Corbyn and Trump, but still....

    She’s dismally inept and lacking in any charisma or vision, but she evidently has a strong sense of duty and is not intentionally actively malign. I wouldn’t go as far as “like” but as you say she benefits from comparison with alternatives.
    Put you down as a maybe?
    Hell will freeze over before I vote for the current incarnation of the Conservative party.
    As a matter of interest when was the last time you voted Conservative?
    Boris Johnson for Mayor in 2012.
    Well, of all the answers I was expecting I freely admit I wasn't expecting that!
    I have only ever voted for two winning candidates. Boris Johnson was the first. The second was Sadiq Khan.
    Given who Boris’s opponent was, I can see why you voted for him.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426

    I did think about becoming a history/science teacher but then I saw the pay guide.

    My fashion tastes couldn’t live on a teacher’s salary.

    Even the 13 weeks worth of annual salary and the 9 to 3 hours couldn’t offset that.

    My salary is not high, but so far it's been paid for 52 weeks not 13.
  • I did think about becoming a history/science teacher but then I saw the pay guide.

    My fashion tastes couldn’t live on a teacher’s salary.

    Even the 13 weeks worth of annual salary and the 9 to 3 hours couldn’t offset that.

    I think describing teacher’s pay as 13 weeks of annual salary is about right.

    There aren’t many who could chose between teaching history or science: what was your degree in?
  • ydoethur said:

    I did think about becoming a history/science teacher but then I saw the pay guide.

    My fashion tastes couldn’t live on a teacher’s salary.

    Even the 13 weeks worth of annual salary and the 9 to 3 hours couldn’t offset that.

    My salary is not high, but so far it's been paid for 52 weeks not 13.
    Oops I meant holiday.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    Incidentally totally off topic but this is an interesting list.

    https://toughnickel.com/real-estate/15-of-the-cheapest-places-in-the-UK-to-buy-a-3-bedroom-house

    I'm really surprised by numbers 14 and 15, less so by the others.
  • I did think about becoming a history/science teacher but then I saw the pay guide.

    My fashion tastes couldn’t live on a teacher’s salary.

    Even the 13 weeks worth of annual salary and the 9 to 3 hours couldn’t offset that.

    I think describing teacher’s pay as 13 weeks of annual salary is about right.

    There aren’t many who could chose between teaching history or science: what was your degree in?
    This was when I was choosing my A Levels.

    My mother was desperate for me to follow the family tradition and become a doctor but I wasn’t keen.

    I was mistaken in the belief what you chose to study at A Levels impacted on your career.

    So I chose Maths, Further Maths, History, and Physics.

    The irony is that two of my contemporaries who read law themed degrees became very highly regarded accountants. Neither of them did any numbers based A Levels.
  • Finally got round to watching that Newsnight Clip. Williamson with a straight face says there is no intimidation in the Labour Party. Has he ever looked in a mirror...?
  • Anyhoo the next thread is a history lesson for you all.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,778

    Finally got round to watching that Newsnight Clip. Williamson with a straight face says there is no intimidation in the Labour Party. Has he ever looked in a mirror...?

    Haven't seen it. But is Williamson saying Field made it all up?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,814
    F1: annoyed at the Monza rain. Had planned to back the Williams/Saubers to top first practice but the market never went up.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,015
    You just know when you've got the PB Tories AND Farage in your corner that you're on the side of the righteous.

    https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1035199714101276672
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,206

    HYUFD said:

    Freggles said:

    I have to admit I quite like Tezza now . Clearly she's helped by being around at the same time as JRM, Corbyn and Trump, but still....

    She’s dismally inept and lacking in any charisma or vision, but she evidently has a strong sense of duty and is not intentionally actively malign. I wouldn’t go as far as “like” but as you say she benefits from comparison with alternatives.
    Put you down as a maybe?
    Hell will freeze over before I vote for the current incarnation of the Conservative party.
    As a matter of interest when was the last time you voted Conservative?
    Boris Johnson for Mayor in 2012.
    So you did not vote Tory in 2015 or 2017 when the Tories won a majority and most seats?

    Suggests you are a swing voter in London Mayoral and Assembly elections as you voted for Boris but not general elections
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426

    Finally got round to watching that Newsnight Clip. Williamson with a straight face says there is no intimidation in the Labour Party. Has he ever looked in a mirror...?

    Surely he would die if he did?
  • You chose the A-levels I now wish I had; I did Chemistry instead of History. As it turned out an essay based subject would have been very useful and I loved History at O-level.

    On the other hand, I can study History now on an informal basis while the sort of equipment and supplies needed to study Chemistry at home would probably get the attention of some very serious people with lots of questions.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,677

    I did think about becoming a history/science teacher but then I saw the pay guide.

    My fashion tastes couldn’t live on a teacher’s salary.

    Even the 13 weeks worth of annual salary and the 9 to 3 hours couldn’t offset that.

    I think describing teacher’s pay as 13 weeks of annual salary is about right.

    There aren’t many who could chose between teaching history or science: what was your degree in?
    This was when I was choosing my A Levels.

    My mother was desperate for me to follow the family tradition and become a doctor but I wasn’t keen.

    I was mistaken in the belief what you chose to study at A Levels impacted on your career.

    So I chose Maths, Further Maths, History, and Physics.

    The irony is that two of my contemporaries who read law themed degrees became very highly regarded accountants. Neither of them did any numbers based A Levels.
    Snap on A levels, it's an interesting, but tough combo.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,015
    Millions of Jocks gratefully tug their forelocks as one.

    https://twitter.com/BBCGaryR/status/1035413943504785408

    I think we really need JRM's nanny's opinion for complete validation though.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,728

    You just know when you've got the PB Tories AND Farage in your corner that you're on the side of the righteous.

    https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1035199714101276672

    We are all PB Tories now, comrade!
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,842

    You chose the A-levels I now wish I had; I did Chemistry instead of History. As it turned out an essay based subject would have been very useful and I loved History at O-level.

    On the other hand, I can study History now on an informal basis while the sort of equipment and supplies needed to study Chemistry at home would probably get the attention of some very serious people with lots of questions.

    I would have loved to have had the chance to study for the Baccalaureate - but not an option in my Northampton comprehensive. So I fought the system and was allowed to do Maths, Physics, French and English at A Level. Meant I had the fullest timetable in 6th Form and had to be sent to a different school for half my French teaching - but at least I got what I wanted!
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    Anyhoo the next thread is a history lesson for you all.

    And Mr Crick?
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,910
    Morning all :)

    Away from dancing Prime Ministers, Field and Farage, the real problems facing the country show no sign of going away:

    https://www.publicfinance.co.uk/news/2018/08/england-lags-behind-other-countries-social-care?utm_source=Adestra&utm_medium=email&utm_term=

    An interesting little nugget at the end from the LGA suggesting over 40s should pay and additional tax to fund care - I'm not convinced. The notion of saving for your post-working life (including provision for care) should begin as early as possible, shouldn't it ?
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Freggles said:

    I have to admit I quite like Tezza now . Clearly she's helped by being around at the same time as JRM, Corbyn and Trump, but still....

    She’s dismally inept and lacking in any charisma or vision, but she evidently has a strong sense of duty and is not intentionally actively malign. I wouldn’t go as far as “like” but as you say she benefits from comparison with alternatives.
    Put you down as a maybe?
    Hell will freeze over before I vote for the current incarnation of the Conservative party.
    As a matter of interest when was the last time you voted Conservative?
    Boris Johnson for Mayor in 2012.
    So you did not vote Tory in 2015 or 2017 when the Tories won a majority and most seats?

    Suggests you are a swing voter in London Mayoral and Assembly elections as you voted for Boris but not general elections
    In the past I have voted for Labour, the Lib Dems, the Greens, the Conservatives and spoiled my ballot paper. My vote is very much up for grabs. But a party that has as its main plank the incompetent implementation of the most profoundly damaging policy since the Second World War is not going to be given any consideration.
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Freggles said:

    I have to admit I quite like Tezza now . Clearly she's helped by being around at the same time as JRM, Corbyn and Trump, but still....

    She’s dismally inept and lacking in any charisma or vision, but she evidently has a strong sense of duty and is not intentionally actively malign. I wouldn’t go as far as “like” but as you say she benefits from comparison with alternatives.
    Put you down as a maybe?
    Hell will freeze over before I vote for the current incarnation of the Conservative party.
    As a matter of interest when was the last time you voted Conservative?
    Boris Johnson for Mayor in 2012.
    So you did not vote Tory in 2015 or 2017 when the Tories won a majority and most seats?

    Suggests you are a swing voter in London Mayoral and Assembly elections as you voted for Boris but not general elections
    Why do you have an obsession on how individual poster vote and effectively tell them how they voted. Strange
  • Anyhoo the next thread is a history lesson for you all.

    And Mr Crick?
    I might do that at the weekend.

    Said thread would involve me also criticising David Cameron and that’s a huge step for me.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,677
    A levels are bonkers. The fact maths and further maths give you the same 'level' qualification where one, by definition is 10x harder, proves it.

    When you chick in things like general studies, it's hard to take them that seriously. They are the gateway to university, that's all.
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Freggles said:

    I have to admit I quite like Tezza now . Clearly she's helped by being around at the same time as JRM, Corbyn and Trump, but still....

    She’s dismally inept and lacking in any charisma or vision, but she evidently has a strong sense of duty and is not intentionally actively malign. I wouldn’t go as far as “like” but as you say she benefits from comparison with alternatives.
    Put you down as a maybe?
    Hell will freeze over before I vote for the current incarnation of the Conservative party.
    As a matter of interest when was the last time you voted Conservative?
    Boris Johnson for Mayor in 2012.
    So you did not vote Tory in 2015 or 2017 when the Tories won a majority and most seats?

    Suggests you are a swing voter in London Mayoral and Assembly elections as you voted for Boris but not general elections
    In the past I have voted for Labour, the Lib Dems, the Greens, the Conservatives and spoiled my ballot paper. My vote is very much up for grabs. But a party that has as its main plank the incompetent implementation of the most profoundly damaging policy since the Second World War is not going to be given any consideration.
    Now if it offered you a peoples vote Alastair
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,751
    Jonathan said:

    A levels are bonkers. The fact maths and further maths give you the same 'level' qualification where one, by definition is 10x harder, proves it.

    When you chick in things like general studies, it's hard to take them that seriously. They are the gateway to university, that's all.

    FM was about 25% harder (and also useful for Maths). But yes, why FM exists when there was (is?) an 'S'-level qualification is hard to justify.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,814
    Mr. Stodge, I'm also opposed to the concept of charging people for belonging to a demographic, whether that's age, race, or gender (or something else).
  • stodge said:

    Morning all :)

    Away from dancing Prime Ministers, Field and Farage, the real problems facing the country show no sign of going away:

    https://www.publicfinance.co.uk/news/2018/08/england-lags-behind-other-countries-social-care?utm_source=Adestra&utm_medium=email&utm_term=

    An interesting little nugget at the end from the LGA suggesting over 40s should pay and additional tax to fund care - I'm not convinced. The notion of saving for your post-working life (including provision for care) should begin as early as possible, shouldn't it ?

    It has to be some long term insurance policy as part of the resolution to an enormous problem
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,778
    stodge said:

    Morning all :)

    Away from dancing Prime Ministers, Field and Farage, the real problems facing the country show no sign of going away:

    https://www.publicfinance.co.uk/news/2018/08/england-lags-behind-other-countries-social-care?utm_source=Adestra&utm_medium=email&utm_term=

    An interesting little nugget at the end from the LGA suggesting over 40s should pay and additional tax to fund care - I'm not convinced. The notion of saving for your post-working life (including provision for care) should begin as early as possible, shouldn't it ?

    This is damning:

    "In England, despite two government consultations, two official commissions, five green or white papers and one Act of Parliament, the system has remained largely unchanged, the report showed."

    Politicians in this country have failed us on this issue.
  • Anyhoo the next thread is a history lesson for you all.

    Corbyn really did win the 2017 General Election and anyone saying otherwise is a Tory / Blairite / Israeli shill etc
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Freggles said:

    I have to admit I quite like Tezza now . Clearly she's helped by being around at the same time as JRM, Corbyn and Trump, but still....

    She’s dismally inept and lacking in any charisma or vision, but she evidently has a strong sense of duty and is not intentionally actively malign. I wouldn’t go as far as “like” but as you say she benefits from comparison with alternatives.
    Put you down as a maybe?
    Hell will freeze over before I vote for the current incarnation of the Conservative party.
    As a matter of interest when was the last time you voted Conservative?
    Boris Johnson for Mayor in 2012.
    So you did not vote Tory in 2015 or 2017 when the Tories won a majority and most seats?

    Suggests you are a swing voter in London Mayoral and Assembly elections as you voted for Boris but not general elections
    In the past I have voted for Labour, the Lib Dems, the Greens, the Conservatives and spoiled my ballot paper. My vote is very much up for grabs. But a party that has as its main plank the incompetent implementation of the most profoundly damaging policy since the Second World War is not going to be given any consideration.
    Now if it offered you a peoples vote Alastair
    I'm not in favour of a fresh referendum at present.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    Jonathan said:

    A levels are bonkers. The fact maths and further maths give you the same 'level' qualification where one, by definition is 10x harder, proves it.

    When you chick in things like general studies, it's hard to take them that seriously. They are the gateway to university, that's all.

    General studies isn't recognised as an A-level for university admissions.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,159
    edited August 2018

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Freggles said:

    I have to admit I quite like Tezza now . Clearly she's helped by being around at the same time as JRM, Corbyn and Trump, but still....

    She’s dismally inept and lacking in any charisma or vision, but she evidently has a strong sense of duty and is not intentionally actively malign. I wouldn’t go as far as “like” but as you say she benefits from comparison with alternatives.
    Put you down as a maybe?
    Hell will freeze over before I vote for the current incarnation of the Conservative party.
    As a matter of interest when was the last time you voted Conservative?
    Boris Johnson for Mayor in 2012.
    So you did not vote Tory in 2015 or 2017 when the Tories won a majority and most seats?

    Suggests you are a swing voter in London Mayoral and Assembly elections as you voted for Boris but not general elections
    In the past I have voted for Labour, the Lib Dems, the Greens, the Conservatives and spoiled my ballot paper. My vote is very much up for grabs. But a party that has as its main plank the incompetent implementation of the most profoundly damaging policy since the Second World War is not going to be given any consideration.
    Now if it offered you a peoples vote Alastair
    I'm not in favour of a fresh referendum at present.
    In honesty what is your best solution

    I am off to cut the grass now so it gives you some time to respond. It is not a trick question. I really am interested your view
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426

    Jonathan said:

    A levels are bonkers. The fact maths and further maths give you the same 'level' qualification where one, by definition is 10x harder, proves it.

    When you chick in things like general studies, it's hard to take them that seriously. They are the gateway to university, that's all.

    FM was about 25% harder (and also useful for Maths). But yes, why FM exists when there was (is?) an 'S'-level qualification is hard to justify.
    Still is, but not many schools still offer it.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,773

    stodge said:

    Morning all :)

    Away from dancing Prime Ministers, Field and Farage, the real problems facing the country show no sign of going away:

    https://www.publicfinance.co.uk/news/2018/08/england-lags-behind-other-countries-social-care?utm_source=Adestra&utm_medium=email&utm_term=

    An interesting little nugget at the end from the LGA suggesting over 40s should pay and additional tax to fund care - I'm not convinced. The notion of saving for your post-working life (including provision for care) should begin as early as possible, shouldn't it ?

    This is damning:

    "In England, despite two government consultations, two official commissions, five green or white papers and one Act of Parliament, the system has remained largely unchanged, the report showed."

    Politicians in this country have failed us on this issue.
    The issue is paying for it.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,751
    Just seen this from yesterday's thread:

    "The supplementary vote, like the alternative vote system, allows for tactical voting against a particular candidate in the first round. It will be very easy for the Tories to portray themselves as the stop Farage side."

    This doesn't work. That doesn't mean that the Tories wouldn't portray themselves as the stop Farage candidate, nor that they wouldn't be successful. But it's FPTP tactical voting, not AV.

    If the consideration is stopping Farage, and a left-of-Tory voter wants to vote Tory to stop Farage from making the final two, then their vote stays with the Tories - against Labour, presumably - in the second round. it would only transfer if the Tory went out (and if the transfer-recipient went through). Much more effective would be to vote Labour to begin with, or LD-Lab or Grn-Lab.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,628

    Finally got round to watching that Newsnight Clip. Williamson with a straight face says there is no intimidation in the Labour Party. Has he ever looked in a mirror...?

    He has no reflection....
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,220
    ydoethur said:

    Jonathan said:

    A levels are bonkers. The fact maths and further maths give you the same 'level' qualification where one, by definition is 10x harder, proves it.

    When you chick in things like general studies, it's hard to take them that seriously. They are the gateway to university, that's all.

    General studies isn't recognised as an A-level for university admissions.
    Because it (certainly was) a joke. Got an A with pretty much zero prep.
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172

    stodge said:

    Morning all :)

    Away from dancing Prime Ministers, Field and Farage, the real problems facing the country show no sign of going away:

    https://www.publicfinance.co.uk/news/2018/08/england-lags-behind-other-countries-social-care?utm_source=Adestra&utm_medium=email&utm_term=

    An interesting little nugget at the end from the LGA suggesting over 40s should pay and additional tax to fund care - I'm not convinced. The notion of saving for your post-working life (including provision for care) should begin as early as possible, shouldn't it ?

    This is damning:

    "In England, despite two government consultations, two official commissions, five green or white papers and one Act of Parliament, the system has remained largely unchanged, the report showed."

    Politicians in this country have failed us on this issue.
    I think you are right to blame politicians.

    They (Tory or Labour or LibDem) have consistently tried to seek political advantage ("Death Tax", "Dementia Tax", "Mansion Tax") whenever a possible solution is proposed.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,778
    Pulpstar said:

    ydoethur said:

    Jonathan said:

    A levels are bonkers. The fact maths and further maths give you the same 'level' qualification where one, by definition is 10x harder, proves it.

    When you chick in things like general studies, it's hard to take them that seriously. They are the gateway to university, that's all.

    General studies isn't recognised as an A-level for university admissions.
    Because it (certainly was) a joke. Got an A with pretty much zero prep.
    Actually Gen Studies was recognised by universities running the old JMB exam board, back in my day.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Freggles said:

    I have to admit I quite like Tezza now . Clearly she's helped by being around at the same time as JRM, Corbyn and Trump, but still....

    She’s dismally inept and lacking in any charisma or vision, but she evidently has a strong sense of duty and is not intentionally actively malign. I wouldn’t go as far as “like” but as you say she benefits from comparison with alternatives.
    Put you down as a maybe?
    Hell will freeze over before I vote for the current incarnation of the Conservative party.
    As a matter of interest when was the last time you voted Conservative?
    Boris Johnson for Mayor in 2012.
    So you did not vote Tory in 2015 or 2017 when the Tories won a majority and most seats?

    Suggests you are a swing voter in London Mayoral and Assembly elections as you voted for Boris but not general elections
    In the past I have voted for Labour, the Lib Dems, the Greens, the Conservatives and spoiled my ballot paper. My vote is very much up for grabs. But a party that has as its main plank the incompetent implementation of the most profoundly damaging policy since the Second World War is not going to be given any consideration.
    Now if it offered you a peoples vote Alastair
    I'm not in favour of a fresh referendum at present.
    In honesty what is your best solution

    I am off to cut the grass now so it gives you some time to respond. It is not a trick question. I really am interested your view
    I don't think there is a best solution. It's a complete disaster from here.

    Britain is now a country where a large part of the country is comfortable seeing the economy seriously damaged or the country dismembered in order to retreat from the complexities of the 21st century. Until that changes, the country is destined to decline further, cannoning from one unrealistic populist solution to another, each time seeing yet more damage to the country.

    The long term solution is for public figures to make the case for deeper engagement with our closest neighbours, focusing on the dull but important longterm solutions of investing in infrastructure and education, and arguing for the benefits of immigration to society. A lot of damage is going to be done before that message seeps through. In the meantime, Britain is becoming a dull and surly backwater.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,910


    The issue is paying for it.

    The "issue" should be about how we treat the elderly - ideally with respect, care and dignity and frankly the cost be damned. We will all (hopefully) grow old and whether we need care or not, I would like to think we would all want to be treated with dignity and as continuing members of society.

    In addition, those who do the caring (whether family members or not) deserve proper remuneration and support and that means giving carers a break and allowing them to work and allowing them to have a life and make a contribution beyond the provision of care.
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Freggles said:

    I have to admit I quite like Tezza now . Clearly she's helped by being around at the same time as JRM, Corbyn and Trump, but still....

    She’s dismally inept and lacking in any charisma or vision, but she evidently has a strong sense of duty and is not intentionally actively malign. I wouldn’t go as far as “like” but as you say she benefits from comparison with alternatives.
    Put you down as a maybe?
    Hell will freeze over before I vote for the current incarnation of the Conservative party.
    As a matter of interest when was the last time you voted Conservative?
    Boris Johnson for Mayor in 2012.
    So you did not vote Tory in 2015 or 2017 when the Tories won a majority and most seats?

    Suggests you are a swing voter in London Mayoral and Assembly elections as you voted for Boris but not general elections
    In the past I have voted for Labour, the Lib Dems, the Greens, the Conservatives and spoiled my ballot paper. My vote is very much up for grabs. But a party that has as its main plank the incompetent implementation of the most profoundly damaging policy since the Second World War is not going to be given any consideration.
    Now if it offered you a peoples vote Alastair
    "People's Vote"... could it be any more patronising? What was the first vote then? Was anyone unaware that the people would be voting on whether to Leave or Remain, then passing the baton back to politicians?
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