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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,075
    An early PBer stands to win or lose thousands if Maggie wins on the pre-election coverage news on BBC Parliament
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    Chris_AChris_A Posts: 1,237
    Betting £42000 on the outcome must be equivalent to several hundred thousand today
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    JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,215
    tim said:

    @Jonathan

    It's Shapps, it's what he does.

    Now, tim, it's Chuka Harrison-Trash, it's what he does.

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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    edited April 2013
    @Hertsmere_Pubgoer

    As per your moniker might you recommend a decent watering hole/eatery close to Willian, near Stevenage ??
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,758
    tim said:

    Shapps' update.

    They aren't Australian students at all, they are

    Large Group Of Happy People Holding An Empty Billboard

    http://www.bigstockphoto.com/image-5793217/stock-photo-large-group-of-happy-people-holding-an-empty-billboard-for-adver


    Shiny happy Tories holding hands.

    Then they can't be Tories at all, they're Labour youth dispalying Ed's manifesto.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Robin Day cigar in hand - wonderful
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,758
    @ tim

    "I quite like the idea of buying a Tory off the shelf."

    Why not have a range? We could have a wierdly coloured, odd voiced one that cries - we can all it "Tony Tears"
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    JackW said:

    @Hertsmere_Pubgoer

    As per your moniker might you recommend a decent watering hole/eatery close to Willian, near Stevenage ??

    Apologies there Jack, it relates more to frequency than variety.
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,351

    Agreed. For the LDS to hold onto to all 57 seats looks a very tall order. They will struggle most in two specific categories - those where the incumbent is retiring and those where Labour is the main opponent. Where sitting MPs are facing the the Tories it is going to be much tighter.

    In the vast majority of this group the Tories are much weaker and the LDs organisationally much stronger. There’s also the impact of advanced distributed phone banking which was tested in Eastleigh. This is all driven by the quality of data held and in these seats the yellows are very strong.

    The most striking feature of Eastleigh was Boris's much covered canvassing when in front of the cameras the blues could not find a Tory voter.



    The big difference from 1979 to 2010 is the number of seats the LibDems will be defending in 2015. Much harder to defend 57 than 13 and in both cases they lost seats. In 1997 they had a long run of winning Tory seats at by-elections but in 2015 they will be part of the retiring government. I dared to suggest here in early 2010 the LibDems would lose seats when most of you thought they would win 80-100+ on the Clegg bounce. If they come out of 2015 with 57 seats they will have done very well.

    What that Boris incident also showed was a lack of political nous. I'm not more than averagely cynical but if I have a televised visit from a leading party figure, I do make such that there is at least one supporter among the people he's going to meet. It was endearingly naive that they just threw him at a random street with no idea who he was going to meet.

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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714

    Agreed. For the LDS to hold onto to all 57 seats looks a very tall order. They will struggle most in two specific categories - those where the incumbent is retiring

    So far just 1 LibDem retirement has been confirmed: Annette Brooke in Mid Dorset.

    I wonder if the powers that be will try and convince some MPs in their 60s to stay on for another term waiting for better times to defend an "open" seat.

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    hughphughp Posts: 11
    For the LDs to hold onto all 57 seats looks a very tall order.

    Very much agreed - but will the LDs make any compensatory gains ? Last year that did not seem likely at all, but this year the Lib Dems must be eyeing up e.g. the marginal Conservative-held seats in Cornwall.
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    john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @JohnO

    'It's Shapps, it's what he does.'

    But not as well as Chuka Harrison-Trash. .

    '“It annoys me a bit. You get lazy journalists and the odd blogger who’ll suggest that I fancy myself as ‘Britain’s Obama’ and that I seek to encourage the comparison. It’s never been something I’ve encouraged.”



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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,758
    @tim

    bad choice, why not get a Cocky Chris ? It starts off a tory but then strips off so it can debrief My Little Ed on his foreign affairs .
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    MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    One seat high on the Grant Shapps list is Alan Beith's in Berwck. At GE2015 he'll be 72 but if he fights again it is hard to see how the blues can make progress.

    Agreed. For the LDS to hold onto to all 57 seats looks a very tall order. They will struggle most in two specific categories - those where the incumbent is retiring

    So far just 1 LibDem retirement has been confirmed: Annette Brooke in Mid Dorset.

    I wonder if the powers that be will try and convince some MPs in their 60s to stay on for another term waiting for better times to defend an "open" seat.

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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,758
    hughp said:

    For the LDs to hold onto all 57 seats looks a very tall order.

    Very much agreed - but will the LDs make any compensatory gains ? Last year that did not seem likely at all, but this year the Lib Dems must be eyeing up e.g. the marginal Conservative-held seats in Cornwall.

    Cornwall could turn out to be fun. usually the Blues and yellows play musical chairs but with UKIP in the mix both sides could leak votes meaning game on.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    JackW said:

    @Hertsmere_Pubgoer

    As per your moniker might you recommend a decent watering hole/eatery close to Willian, near Stevenage ??

    Apologies there Jack, it relates more to frequency than variety.
    Enough of your rumpy pumpy activities !! .... Thanks anyway.

    I throw the question open to PBers worldwide.

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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,782
    edited April 2013
    Delight in the Twitterverse that the tax-avoiding global corporation that 'Ding Dong' is enriching is not Fox, but Turner Entertainment, now part of Time Warner, major shareholder Ted Turner, who reckoned Romney would 'probably maker a good president'.....Truly the gods are laughing....Margaret now at Number 6....
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,833
    All the evidence I'm seeing suggests 2015 will be like 1974 (February) with Labour the largest party in a hung parliament.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,075
    Geri Halliwell u-turns again
    I was so confused and overwhelmed by some of the feedback I received that I took my tweet down and for that I was called spineless," said Halliwell, adding that she had been afraid of upsetting people and had even been led to question her view of Thatcher.

    "Did I even really know enough about Margaret Thatcher?" she wondered. "Was I just trying to be relevant? She had obviously upset a lot of people."

    The doubts, however, were dispelled after a little reflection.

    "Now I realise that I do admire a woman, whether she is right or wrong, regardless of her opinions," said the singer. "She had the courage to stand by her convictions. Not like me. I look at my behaviour, which exposed how weak I was under fire, not like Margaret Thatcher. Rest in peace
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    @tim

    I'm going out to buy a Labour Economic Expert.

    Sadly, as usual, after four years it'll be bust !!
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,782
    JackW said:

    @tim I'm going out to buy a Labour Economic Expert.

    You'll have to find one first!

    I've grown bored with 'My Little Ed' - all it says is 'Judge Led Enquiry'...'Judge Led Enquiry'...'Judge Led Enquiry'.

    The box says its going to start saying a lot more in February 2015.....but I'm not convinced....

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    CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805

    JackW said:

    @tim I'm going out to buy a Labour Economic Expert.

    You'll have to find one first!

    I've grown bored with 'My Little Ed' - all it says is 'Judge Led Enquiry'...'Judge Led Enquiry'...'Judge Led Enquiry'.

    The box says its going to start saying a lot more in February 2015.....but I'm not convinced....

    I wish you were bored with Ding Dong Chuka. Christ on a bike.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,782
    Carola said:

    JackW said:

    @tim I'm going out to buy a Labour Economic Expert.

    You'll have to find one first!

    I've grown bored with 'My Little Ed' - all it says is 'Judge Led Enquiry'...'Judge Led Enquiry'...'Judge Led Enquiry'.

    The box says its going to start saying a lot more in February 2015.....but I'm not convinced....

    I wish you were bored with Ding Dong Chuka. Christ on a bike.
    Don't blame me dear - its the newspapers......

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    HYUFD said:

    TSE - Nate Silver sounds not too dissimilar to me politically, and I would agree with his analysis at this stage!

    Embarrassingly similar to me too, HYUFD.

    Just read his book, too, and we also see things the same way from a betting perspective.

    Spooky.

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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,075
    Peter the Punter - Wonder if he ever posts on PB under an assumed name?
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    MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    The Cornwall unitary authority elections on May 2nd might provide a a very good guide. Will Ukip syphon off Tory votes? Will ex-LAB voters return to their allegiance or vote to stop the blues?

    hughp said:

    For the LDs to hold onto all 57 seats looks a very tall order.

    Very much agreed - but will the LDs make any compensatory gains ? Last year that did not seem likely at all, but this year the Lib Dems must be eyeing up e.g. the marginal Conservative-held seats in Cornwall.

    Cornwall could turn out to be fun. usually the Blues and yellows play musical chairs but with UKIP in the mix both sides could leak votes meaning game on.
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,288
    Good book review in The Economist on 1979 as a historical turning point. Rise of Thatcher, rise of a theocratic Iran or fall of The Shah, and Deng Xiaoping in China.

    http://www.economist.com/news/books-and-arts/21576067-why-1979-was-about-so-much-more-margaret-thatchers-election-victory-when-world

    Worth a read IMHO.

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    @Dugarbandier

    "...Plenty were found guilty of witchcraft who weren't witches."

    In fact, exactly 100% of those found guilty of witchcraft weren't witches. This is because witches do not exist.

    I think somebody should have told you this.
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    edited April 2013
    OT. I had a look at the 1979 election night on Parliament channel and it looks so primitive that I was quickly bored. They showed a section on even earlier election nights, they looked like a completely different era. I guess it was.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    @Peter_the_Punter

    "In fact, exactly 100% of those found guilty of witchcraft weren't witches. This is because witches do not exist."

    Not according to a song not being played on the wireless !!
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    @Dugarbandier

    "...Plenty were found guilty of witchcraft who weren't witches."

    In fact, exactly 100% of those found guilty of witchcraft weren't witches. This is because witches do not exist.

    I think somebody should have told you this.

    They do exist, it's a slightly odd set of religious practices. They don't have any special powers mind...
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,288
    @Tim - Eastleigh One Nation Labour 9% Strength. Can't recommend a purchase.
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    HYUFD said:

    Peter the Punter - Wonder if he ever posts on PB under an assumed name?

    Not aware of it, HYUFD.

    PB has haad its share of famous posters - Louise Mensch, Yvette Cooper, Lord Monckton: some even suggest that the legendary Sean Thomas has posted here occasionally, although I don't believe it myself.

    There are rumours that Site visitors have included Gordon Brown and David Cameron.

    I expect Nate is aware of the Site, but I've never known him mention it.
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    Charles said:

    @Dugarbandier

    "...Plenty were found guilty of witchcraft who weren't witches."

    In fact, exactly 100% of those found guilty of witchcraft weren't witches. This is because witches do not exist.

    I think somebody should have told you this.

    They do exist, it's a slightly odd set of religious practices. They don't have any special powers mind...
    Sorry, Charles, but if they can't turn me into a frog, they ain't a witch.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,782
    tim said:

    Why?

    Because Labour is in opposition and the Conservatives in Government - are you really that thick?

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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,782
    For those who haven't reached Thatcheration point - a review of Maggie's linguistic legacy:

    http://www.worldwidewords.org/nl/jdaf.htm#N3
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,782
    tim said:

    @Carlotta.

    I thought for one moment you'd suddenly understood FPTP, clearly not

    I never doubted you didn't understand mid-term bye-elections.

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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,075
    PeterthePunter - Yes, probably not, but most of us will never know!
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    MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    This could be worrying for LAB in SShields.

    A Mr Monkey candidate is standing. LAB council spent £140k trying to identify blogger http://goo.gl/I3CPx pic.twitter.com/NNJ8L1Jpkp
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,288
    A lorry driver picked up a young attractive woman hitchiker. She said 'I am a witch.' And he turned into a layby.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    edited April 2013
    @Peter_the_Punter


    "Sorry, Charles, but if they can't turn me into a frog, they ain't a witch."

    I wouldn't show your legs near any French restaurant any time soon !!

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    JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,215
    @PtP - Yvette Cooper? Really?

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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,288
    @Mike Smithson.

    "So far, South Tyneside Council has paid £142,725 to American legal advisors to unmask those responsible for the blog. However, the ongoing four-year legal case has yet to uncover the identity of those behind the postings.

    The source added: “People often joke that the folk of Shields would vote for a monkey if it wore a red Labour rosette.

    “Well, Mr Monkey won’t be wearing the red rosette, but it finally gives people the chance to vote for a monkey who has their best interests at heart.”

    http://www.shieldsgazette.com/news/local-news/mr-monkey-candidate-to-contest-shields-by-election-1-5561245
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,782
    edited April 2013
    tim said:

    @Carlotta, yeah, mid term the imbecilic candidate you were spinning for managed to get beaten by the other govt candidate.

    Shock! Government candidate fails to unseat incumbent party in mid-term bye-election.....no, no one saw that coming.

    You really don't get this 'mid-term' stuff do you?

    You know when the Opposition Party's vote rises, and the governing party vote falls?

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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,937
    Peter-the-Punter - don't say I did not warn you about Spurs and the top 4!
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,782
    Not so much 'alternative history' as 'socialist porn':

    "Cuba without the sunshine"

    Dawn is breaking in Puerto Argentino, the town its former inhabitants once knew as Port Stanley. At the tiny airport, a gigantic mural commemorates the soldiers from the mainland who lost their lives in the battle for the Malvinas, or the Falklands, as they used to be called.
    Next to the old Anglican cathedral (now Catholic), a gigantic blue and white flag flutters. In the square nearby, a statue of General Leopoldo Galtieri gazes impassively out to sea.
    Today, in 2013, the world remembers General Galtieri as one of the defining personalities of the Eighties, a strong leader who, by recapturing the Malvinas, set his stamp on the age.
    For Britain, however, it was a dreadful decade — perhaps the worst in our modern history, and one that set the tone for years to come.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2308332/Cuba-sunshine.html#ixzz2QKrwwXUQ
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    @SeanT

    But you cannot PROVE you are a witch until you turn somebody into a frog, an alchemist until you turn another substance into gold. Just saying you are a witch or an alchemist doesn't actually make you one, any more than saying you are a novelist makes you one. ;-)
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,782
    dr_spyn said:

    "So far, South Tyneside Council has paid £142,725 to American legal advisors to unmask those responsible for the blog. However, the ongoing four-year legal case has yet to uncover the identity of those behind the postings.

    Mr Monkey hasn't posted anything for nearly 4 years!

    http://mrmonkeysblog.wordpress.com

    Plenty there for UKIP....
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    Peter-the-Punter - don't say I did not warn you about Spurs and the top 4!

    Nothing, absolutely nothing the Spurs do surprises me.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Conservatives HOLD Torbay maj 20,000+

    Those were the days !!
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    JackW said:

    @Peter_the_Punter


    "Sorry, Charles, but if they can't turn me into a frog, they ain't a witch."

    I wouldn't show your legs near any French restaurant any time soon !!

    Go away, rude man. You are not fit to keep a girl's company.
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,288
    @CarlottaVance

    Knew it was fiction - HMS Sheffield the Town Class cruiser had been sent to the breakers' yard in 1967.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,075
    Tories hold Torbay, Lord Hailsham says he would have been surprised with any other result, he died in 2001 so lived to see it fall to the Liberals!
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    It was on Peter_The_Punter's logic that we got the Fraudulent Mediums Act.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraudulent_Mediums_Act_1951

    I hadn't realised till looking at this wikipedia page that the matter is now covered by EU regulations. Wait till Nigel Farage hears about that.
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    Re witches.

    Just remember the only time* the French have consistently defeated the English in battle was when they were led by a witch.

    Which probably tells you how shite the French are at military campaigns.

    *I'm sure there are other occasions but I can't remember them, given how few French Military victories there are, I should know.


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    Chris_AChris_A Posts: 1,237
    I notice the BBC website keeps referring to "Dr Wakefield". I think they mean Mr as he was struck off for unethical behaviour.
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,288
    Link to the defunct Mr Monkey Blog for historians, and PBers.

    http://mrmonkeysblog.wordpress.com/
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    Fat_SteveFat_Steve Posts: 361
    Chuka Umunna
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/why-has-everybody-got-it-in-for-labours-rising-star-chuka-umunna-8570579.html

    Interestingly, the Independent raises the question " So why has it hit now?"
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,937

    Not so much 'alternative history' as 'socialist porn':

    "Cuba without the sunshine"

    Dawn is breaking in Puerto Argentino, the town its former inhabitants once knew as Port Stanley. At the tiny airport, a gigantic mural commemorates the soldiers from the mainland who lost their lives in the battle for the Malvinas, or the Falklands, as they used to be called.
    Next to the old Anglican cathedral (now Catholic), a gigantic blue and white flag flutters. In the square nearby, a statue of General Leopoldo Galtieri gazes impassively out to sea.
    Today, in 2013, the world remembers General Galtieri as one of the defining personalities of the Eighties, a strong leader who, by recapturing the Malvinas, set his stamp on the age.
    For Britain, however, it was a dreadful decade — perhaps the worst in our modern history, and one that set the tone for years to come.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2308332/Cuba-sunshine.html#ixzz2QKrwwXUQ

    In his excellent history of the 74-79 period (Seasons in the Sun) Sandbrook is pretty clear that Labour would not have won in 1978 if Callaghan had called an election. He's right about Benn though: perhaps the most destructive, deluded and malign political figure in the UK in my lifetime.

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    Chris_AChris_A Posts: 1,237
    One good thing about the 1979 show is seeing the SNP getting a good pasting. Roll on Autumn next year.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Chris_A said:

    I notice the BBC website keeps referring to "Dr Wakefield". I think they mean Mr as he was struck off for unethical behaviour.

    Being struck off does not remove a medical degree, only the awarding body can do that. Being struck off by the GMC takes away the licence to practice medicine in the UK. It has no jurisdiction outside the UK.

    For good or ill, Dr Wakefield is entitled to his title.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Conservatives in trouble in Glasgow .... Teddy Taylor may lose Cathcart ....
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    tim said:

    @Carlotta

    You'd have to be extraordinarily ignorant to believe that Callaghan Foot and Healey wouldn't have defended the Falklands.
    Reading Foots speech in the Commons during the emergency debate should educate you

    In the piece The UK sent a fleet, but were defeated in the Falklands, albeit with a picture of the wrong HMS Sheffield
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,782
    edited April 2013
    tim said:

    You'd have to be extraordinarily ignorant to believe that Callaghan Foot and Healey wouldn't have defended the Falklands.
    Reading Foots speech in the Commons during the emergency debate should educate you

    I agree - that's why I did not dignify it with the description of 'alternative history' - Sandbrook partly gets round that by moving Callaghan out of the way before 1982.

    As Thatcher observed when Callaghan died: "Despite our disagreements, I always respected him because I knew he was moved by deep patriotism."

    And I have read Foot's speech, but thank you for your condescension....
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    The rosettes in 1979 were huge.

    Why have they become smaller?

    I preferred huge rosettes.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,782
    Daily Mirror @DailyMirror
    Exclusive: Tories slammed for "sleazy politics" after lobbying nightclub owners to attack Labour MP Chuka Umunna http://mirr.im/10ZZT4J
    Retweeted by Chuka Umunna
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Fat_Steve said:

    Chuka Umunna
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/why-has-everybody-got-it-in-for-labours-rising-star-chuka-umunna-8570579.html

    Interestingly, the Independent raises the question " So why has it hit now?"

    It is an interesting question, but it seems far more likely to me that the source is internal to the Labour party.
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    "I preferred huge rosettes."

    So I have heard, Mr. Eagles, though the young lady refused to be named.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,782
    10 Policies that Could win the 2015 General Election for Labour:

    http://www.greenbenchesuk.com/2013/04/10-policies-that-would-win-2015-general.html

    Or not.....
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    Chris_AChris_A Posts: 1,237
    Newcastle upon Tyne Central electorate 21k, we really were in rotten borough territory then
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,336
    JackW said:

    Conservatives in trouble in Glasgow .... Teddy Taylor may lose Cathcart ....

    Those were the days, when a tory even thought it worth turning up in Glasgow.

    1979 was really the start of the division of the UK into 2 sections with a border area in between. Labour still winning seats in the south and the tories in Scotland. It was a much, much healthier state of affairs all round but I don't see how we get back to it.

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    "I preferred huge rosettes."

    So I have heard, Mr. Eagles, though the young lady refused to be named.

    Tut.

    That's shocking from you.

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    Chris_AChris_A Posts: 1,237

    Being struck off does not remove a medical degree, only the awarding body can do that. Being struck off by the GMC takes away the licence to practice medicine in the UK. It has no jurisdiction outside the UK.

    For good or ill, Dr Wakefield is entitled to his title.

    A medical degree is MB, a bachelor's degree not a doctoral one. He is not entitled to anything except opprobrium.
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    JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    I'm pretty sure Ding Dong is owned by EMI ( http://musicservices.org/song/detail/220004 ) which means that the royalties will be paid to them (and so benefit owners Sony and the Jackson Estate) and Harold Arlen the writer
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    "I preferred huge rosettes."

    So I have heard, Mr. Eagles, though the young lady refused to be named.

    Tut.

    That's shocking from you.

    Sorry, Mr. Eagles, but I couldn't resist the temptation.

    Is anything going on today? It's awfully quiet on here for a Saturday morning.

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    New thread.
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    Oh, there is a new thread.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Chris_A said:

    Being struck off does not remove a medical degree, only the awarding body can do that. Being struck off by the GMC takes away the licence to practice medicine in the UK. It has no jurisdiction outside the UK.

    For good or ill, Dr Wakefield is entitled to his title.

    A medical degree is MB, a bachelor's degree not a doctoral one. He is not entitled to anything except opprobrium.
    He is a graduate of St Marys Hospital London, so would be either MBBS or MBBCh. It is part of Imperial College now. If you are arguing that a medical degree does not mean the title "Dr" is appropriate, and that only PhD's should use that title, then that that would be out of line with UK practice.

    As a point of fact Andrew Wakefield is a Fellow of the Royal College of Surgeons, and in England, Wales, Ireland and some Commonwealth countries Surgeons are styled "Mr" if they have passed their Fellowship exams. Interestingly this is not the practice in Scotland, where surgeons are titled "Dr". If his Fellowship is still held, then he is entitled to style himself "Mr" on this basis.

    Whatever his correct title, he is a charlatan!
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    David Dimbleby: "We made a slight cock-up earlier. The Tories didn't get 2,000, they got 20,000, and in fact won the seat" #79election
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    edited April 2013
    I know we have a few art history lovers on here - this made me chuckle

    RT @NicholasPegg: Want to see a squirrel re-enacting Michelangelo's The Creation of Adam? Of course you do. https://twitter.com/NicholasPegg/status/322978116014317568/photo/1
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