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BREAKING: Michael Cohen says he was directed to violate campaign law at the direction of a candidate for federal office https://t.co/kVdINYkpI3 pic.twitter.com/xa4XAexv1V
Yet to affect the Trump betting anything more than marginally.
You can get 3/1 on Trump to go before 2020, which I think is a fun bet if nothing else. If you haven't spent all your petty change on popcorn of course...
Yet to affect the Trump betting anything more than marginally.
You can get 3/1 on Trump to go before 2020, which I think is a fun bet if nothing else. If you haven't spent all your petty change on popcorn of course...
Yes, the only market to have shifted significantly is the Dems to win the House this November.
That actually makes sense. Trump isn't going any time soon for many reasons, not least of which is that the Dems wouldn't want to get rid of him before 2020 even if they could, which they probably couldn't anyway.
He's toxic for the GOP. They should have held the House comfortably but it was looking bad for them even before all this shit dropped on them. I think the House has gone for them now.
Maybe the Senate comes into play now? On Betfair you can get 9/1 against the Dems taking it. It's a hell of a stretch and a lot of Republican voters distinguish their Senate Reps from Trump, but I guess you have to believe the odds will shorten now. Maybe a trading bet but.....
Does that last tweet from Keiran reamlly mean to say "Fox news: Clinton implicated in campaign finance lawbreaking" ??
I think he's being ironical about Fox.
But I wonder if the Trump fans won't just shrug this off. "Some sleazy guys I've never heard of did some plea bargains to implicate Trump, when will they stop ganging up on him?" They might concede that his judgment is choosing associates is proving sub-optimal.
Yet to affect the Trump betting anything more than marginally.
You can get 3/1 on Trump to go before 2020, which I think is a fun bet if nothing else. If you haven't spent all your petty change on popcorn of course...
Yes, the only market to have shifted significantly is the Dems to win the House this November.
That actually makes sense. Trump isn't going any time soon for many reasons, not least of which is that the Dems wouldn't want to get rid of him before 2020 even if they could, which they probably couldn't anyway.
He's toxic for the GOP. They should have held the House comfortably but it was looking bad for them even before all this shit dropped on them. I think the House has gone for them now.
Maybe the Senate comes into play now? On Betfair you can get 9/1 against the Dems taking it. It's a hell of a stretch and a lot of Republican voters distinguish their Senate Reps from Trump, but I guess you have to believe the odds will shorten now. Maybe a trading bet but.....
I bet on Dems taking Senate, but it was more heart than head.
I doubt a single one of his base will be turned by any of this.
He will scream 'fake news', 'fake judges' and just pardon.
Does that last tweet from Keiran reamlly mean to say "Fox news: Clinton implicated in campaign finance lawbreaking" ??
I think he's being ironical about Fox.
But I wonder if the Trump fans won't just shrug this off. "Some sleazy guys I've never heard of did some plea bargains to implicate Trump, when will they stop ganging up on him?" They might concede that his judgment is choosing associates is proving sub-optimal.
Mmmm... but what if Cohen testifies that Trump incited him to the violation? Would he (Trump) not then face prosecution?
Yet to affect the Trump betting anything more than marginally.
You can get 3/1 on Trump to go before 2020, which I think is a fun bet if nothing else. If you haven't spent all your petty change on popcorn of course...
The odds on Trump going during 2018 last traded at 8.8 . It's not long ago that it traded at 24.
FWIW, I think 8.8 is far too short. I doubt there's time for an impeachment trial this year and I simply can't see him resigning, no matter how bad things look (not least because if resigning wouldn't get him off any legal hook and while Pence could pardon him, that would kill Pence's presidency stone dead).
Been out for a fabulous Swordfish dinner here in El Campello. And a wee drinkie or 6. And get home, wifey starts spodding so I switch on PB and see everyone's favourite orange man may be screwed.
Does that last tweet from Keiran reamlly mean to say "Fox news: Clinton implicated in campaign finance lawbreaking" ??
I think he's being ironical about Fox.
But I wonder if the Trump fans won't just shrug this off. "Some sleazy guys I've never heard of did some plea bargains to implicate Trump, when will they stop ganging up on him?" They might concede that his judgment is choosing associates is proving sub-optimal.
Yet to affect the Trump betting anything more than marginally.
You can get 3/1 on Trump to go before 2020, which I think is a fun bet if nothing else. If you haven't spent all your petty change on popcorn of course...
The odds on Trump going during 2018 last traded at 8.8 . It's not long ago that it traded at 24.
FWIW, I think 8.8 is far too short. I doubt there's time for an impeachment trial this year and I simply can't see him resigning, no matter how bad things look (not least because if resigning wouldn't get him off any legal hook and while Pence could pardon him, that would kill Pence's presidency stone dead).
You're probably right David but I'm disinclined to believe anyone who says they know the answer to what happens next
Yet to affect the Trump betting anything more than marginally.
You can get 3/1 on Trump to go before 2020, which I think is a fun bet if nothing else. If you haven't spent all your petty change on popcorn of course...
Yes, the only market to have shifted significantly is the Dems to win the House this November.
That actually makes sense. Trump isn't going any time soon for many reasons, not least of which is that the Dems wouldn't want to get rid of him before 2020 even if they could, which they probably couldn't anyway.
He's toxic for the GOP. They should have held the House comfortably but it was looking bad for them even before all this shit dropped on them. I think the House has gone for them now.
Maybe the Senate comes into play now? On Betfair you can get 9/1 against the Dems taking it. It's a hell of a stretch and a lot of Republican voters distinguish their Senate Reps from Trump, but I guess you have to believe the odds will shorten now. Maybe a trading bet but.....
I bet on Dems taking Senate, but it was more heart than head.
I doubt a single one of his base will be turned by any of this.
He will scream 'fake news', 'fake judges' and just pardon.
Hope I am wrong.
No, I think you are right. The Trump Tribe is very tribal.
Yet to affect the Trump betting anything more than marginally.
You can get 3/1 on Trump to go before 2020, which I think is a fun bet if nothing else. If you haven't spent all your petty change on popcorn of course...
The odds on Trump going during 2018 last traded at 8.8 . It's not long ago that it traded at 24.
FWIW, I think 8.8 is far too short. I doubt there's time for an impeachment trial this year and I simply can't see him resigning, no matter how bad things look (not least because if resigning wouldn't get him off any legal hook and while Pence could pardon him, that would kill Pence's presidency stone dead).
On the very last point, there is a precedent from Ford & Nixon.
Been out for a fabulous Swordfish dinner here in El Campello. And a wee drinkie or 6. And get home, wifey starts spodding so I switch on PB and see everyone's favourite orange man may be screwed.
Yet to affect the Trump betting anything more than marginally.
You can get 3/1 on Trump to go before 2020, which I think is a fun bet if nothing else. If you haven't spent all your petty change on popcorn of course...
Yes, the only market to have shifted significantly is the Dems to win the House this November.
That actually makes sense. Trump isn't going any time soon for many reasons, not least of which is that the Dems wouldn't want to get rid of him before 2020 even if they could, which they probably couldn't anyway.
He's toxic for the GOP. They should have held the House comfortably but it was looking bad for them even before all this shit dropped on them. I think the House has gone for them now.
Maybe the Senate comes into play now? On Betfair you can get 9/1 against the Dems taking it. It's a hell of a stretch and a lot of Republican voters distinguish their Senate Reps from Trump, but I guess you have to believe the odds will shorten now. Maybe a trading bet but.....
It's almost impossible for the Dems to take the Senate because of the presence of the two Independents.
Even if you put them in the Dem column, then they can only afford one loss between Nevada, Arizona and Texas (all Republican), and their existing seats (including Montana, West Virginia, Missouri...).
Yet to affect the Trump betting anything more than marginally.
You can get 3/1 on Trump to go before 2020, which I think is a fun bet if nothing else. If you haven't spent all your petty change on popcorn of course...
The odds on Trump going during 2018 last traded at 8.8 . It's not long ago that it traded at 24.
FWIW, I think 8.8 is far too short. I doubt there's time for an impeachment trial this year and I simply can't see him resigning, no matter how bad things look (not least because if resigning wouldn't get him off any legal hook and while Pence could pardon him, that would kill Pence's presidency stone dead).
On the very last point, there is a precedent from Ford & Nixon.
There is, but his pardon of Nixon sent his approval rating down from 70% to sub-40. He only barely scraped renomination and then lost to Carter. The precedent is hardly a happy one.
Yet to affect the Trump betting anything more than marginally.
You can get 3/1 on Trump to go before 2020, which I think is a fun bet if nothing else. If you haven't spent all your petty change on popcorn of course...
Yes, the only market to have shifted significantly is the Dems to win the House this November.
That actually makes sense. Trump isn't going any time soon for many reasons, not least of which is that the Dems wouldn't want to get rid of him before 2020 even if they could, which they probably couldn't anyway.
He's toxic for the GOP. They should have held the House comfortably but it was looking bad for them even before all this shit dropped on them. I think the House has gone for them now.
Maybe the Senate comes into play now? On Betfair you can get 9/1 against the Dems taking it. It's a hell of a stretch and a lot of Republican voters distinguish their Senate Reps from Trump, but I guess you have to believe the odds will shorten now. Maybe a trading bet but.....
I bet on Dems taking Senate, but it was more heart than head.
I doubt a single one of his base will be turned by any of this.
He will scream 'fake news', 'fake judges' and just pardon.
Hope I am wrong.
No, I think you are right. The Trump Tribe is very tribal.
The true Trump base is his support at the start of the primaries in 2016 i.e. about one-third of Republican primary voters - less than 10% of the electorate and less than 5% of the country.
He can pardon others and himself but that's no immunity against impeachment. Indeed, if he did start dishing out pardons to his former associates, that'd be more likely to bring impeachment on.
Yet to affect the Trump betting anything more than marginally.
You can get 3/1 on Trump to go before 2020, which I think is a fun bet if nothing else. If you haven't spent all your petty change on popcorn of course...
The odds on Trump going during 2018 last traded at 8.8 . It's not long ago that it traded at 24.
FWIW, I think 8.8 is far too short. I doubt there's time for an impeachment trial this year and I simply can't see him resigning, no matter how bad things look (not least because if resigning wouldn't get him off any legal hook and while Pence could pardon him, that would kill Pence's presidency stone dead).
On the very last point, there is a precedent from Ford & Nixon.
There is, but his pardon of Nixon sent his approval rating down from 70% to sub-40. He only barely scraped renomination and then lost to Carter. The precedent is hardly a happy one.
Won’t make any difference. Trumpton is Teflon. Corbyn in a wig.
Nah. Trump's ratings are not uniform; there are swing voters. In December last year, Trump's net approval rating was running at around -20. Over this summer, it's been about -8. He has support to lose and that could easily rub off onto the GOP congressional candidates.
I do dislike plea bargains - particularly in high profile cases like this.
It makes it impossible for the evidence to be tested properly by a court. It is not how I think justice should be done.
Under the US system, hardly any cases actually go to trial.
And in no way is that a good way of running a justice system.
No, for the little man, what happens is the state works out as many charges as possible and stretches the elastic of severity of them, all with a plan that pressures individuals (guilty and innocent) into entering into plea bargaining. Proving you are actually guilty is secondary.
Won’t make any difference. Trumpton is Teflon. Corbyn in a wig.
Nah. Trump's ratings are not uniform; there are swing voters. In December last year, Trump's net approval rating was running at around -20. Over this summer, it's been about -8. He has support to lose and that could easily rub off onto the GOP congressional candidates.
This is nowhere near done. Cohen had a notable position within the Republican National Committee.
You have to wonder why so many Republicans on the Hill have decided not to oust Trump but a surprising number decided to retire from Congress when they didn't need to. They don't owe their positions to him but some of them are sure as hell in a position of knowing and being involved in some notable dealings. Plenty more know its as rotten as a medieval beggar.
There is a danger of overthinking this. If Donald Trump is guilty as hell, he might well be impeached. The politics will sort itself out afterwards.
I agree. Trump has few friends on the Hill, and hasn't gone out of his way to win more. Congress fears him because it doesn't really understand him as a political animal. But if it ceases to fear him, he becomes very vulnerable indeed.
Yet to affect the Trump betting anything more than marginally.
You can get 3/1 on Trump to go before 2020, which I think is a fun bet if nothing else. If you haven't spent all your petty change on popcorn of course...
Yes, the only market to have shifted significantly is the Dems to win the House this November.
That actually makes sense. Trump isn't going any time soon for many reasons, not least of which is that the Dems wouldn't want to get rid of him before 2020 even if they could, which they probably couldn't anyway.
He's toxic for the GOP. They should have held the House comfortably but it was looking bad for them even before all this shit dropped on them. I think the House has gone for them now.
Maybe the Senate comes into play now? On Betfair you can get 9/1 against the Dems taking it. It's a hell of a stretch and a lot of Republican voters distinguish their Senate Reps from Trump, but I guess you have to believe the odds will shorten now. Maybe a trading bet but.....
It's almost impossible for the Dems to take the Senate because of the presence of the two Independents.
Even if you put them in the Dem column, then they can only afford one loss between Nevada, Arizona and Texas (all Republican), and their existing seats (including Montana, West Virginia, Missouri...).
Dems lead most Montana, WV and Missouri polls and most Nevada and Arizona polls and have led some Arizona and Texas polls
There is a danger of overthinking this. If Donald Trump is guilty as hell, he might well be impeached. The politics will sort itself out afterwards.
I agree. Trump has few friends on the Hill, and hasn't gone out of his way to win more. Congress fears him because it doesn't really understand him as a political animal. But if it ceases to fear him, he becomes very vulnerable indeed.
If it undermines his public support to the extent that he's more of an electoral liability than an asset then Republicans in Congress would turn against him very quickly. But that's been true of every single one of these potentially-damaging stories. I don't see why this one is any different. These people aren't going to suspend political self-interest
The inquiry is more likely to deliver a report on Trump himself either just before or after the mid terms whenever Congress is likely to be more Democrat friendly. If the GOP lose notably in those elections, not only will they cede the House, they will know they got a liability and concepts of 'country before party' might start to come into the vocabulary.
Remember if a President commits a crime in office associated with abuse of that office, it needs Congress. If its unrelated or before he became president, Congress may not need to be involved.
Even if the Dems do take Congress in November though and start impeachment proceedings that does not necessarily mean it will prove fatal to Trump, see the GOP's impeachment of Bill Clinton in the late 1990s which failed to get anywhere as his poll ratings held up.
It was Nixon's abysmal poll ratings post Watergate which ended his Presidency
Yet to affect the Trump betting anything more than marginally.
You can get 3/1 on Trump to go before 2020, which I think is a fun bet if nothing else. If you haven't spent all your petty change on popcorn of course...
Yes, the only market to have shifted significantly is the Dems to win the House this November.
That actually makes sense. Trump isn't going any time soon for many reasons, not least of which is that the Dems wouldn't want to get rid of him before 2020 even if they could, which they probably couldn't anyway.
He's toxic for the GOP. They should have held the House comfortably but it was looking bad for them even before all this shit dropped on them. I think the House has gone for them now.
Maybe the Senate comes into play now? On Betfair you can get 9/1 against the Dems taking it. It's a hell of a stretch and a lot of Republican voters distinguish their Senate Reps from Trump, but I guess you have to believe the odds will shorten now. Maybe a trading bet but.....
It's almost impossible for the Dems to take the Senate because of the presence of the two Independents.
Even if you put them in the Dem column, then they can only afford one loss between Nevada, Arizona and Texas (all Republican), and their existing seats (including Montana, West Virginia, Missouri...).
Dems lead most Montana, WV and Missouri polls and most Nevada and Arizona polls and have led some Arizona and Texas polls
If the election was tomorrow, the Dems would have to win a lot of near-coinflips to win the Senate. But these races are, to some extent, correlated. It doesn't take much change in the national landscape for the Senate to start looking in play.
Again, whether this news moves the dial at all is another matter.
Yet to affect the Trump betting anything more than marginally.
You can get 3/1 on Trump to go before 2020, which I think is a fun bet if nothing else. If you haven't spent all your petty change on popcorn of course...
Yes, the only market to have shifted significantly is the Dems to win the House this November.
That actually makes sense. Trump isn't going any time soon for many reasons, not least of which is that the Dems wouldn't want to get rid of him before 2020 even if they could, which they probably couldn't anyway.
He's toxic for the GOP. They should have held the House comfortably but it was looking bad for them even before all this shit dropped on them. I think the House has gone for them now.
Maybe the Senate comes into play now? On Betfair you can get 9/1 against the Dems taking it. It's a hell of a stretch and a lot of Republican voters distinguish their Senate Reps from Trump, but I guess you have to believe the odds will shorten now. Maybe a trading bet but.....
It's almost impossible for the Dems to take the Senate because of the presence of the two Independents.
Even if you put them in the Dem column, then they can only afford one loss between Nevada, Arizona and Texas (all Republican), and their existing seats (including Montana, West Virginia, Missouri...).
Dems lead most Montana, WV and Missouri polls and most Nevada and Arizona polls and have led some Arizona and Texas polls
Also, Florida and Indiana...
I'm not saying it's impossible. It's just very unlikely. The Dems have to get lucky everywhere. They can't afford a single misstep.
Yet to affect the Trump betting anything more than marginally.
You can get 3/1 on Trump to go before 2020, which I think is a fun bet if nothing else. If you haven't spent all your petty change on popcorn of course...
Yes, the only market to have shifted significantly is the Dems to win the House this November.
That actually makes sense. Trump isn't going any time soon for many reasons, not least of which is that the Dems wouldn't want to get rid of him before 2020 even if they could, which they probably couldn't anyway.
He's toxic for the GOP. They should have held the House comfortably but it was looking bad for them even before all this shit dropped on them. I think the House has gone for them now.
Maybe the Senate comes into play now? On Betfair you can get 9/1 against the Dems taking it. It's a hell of a stretch and a lot of Republican voters distinguish their Senate Reps from Trump, but I guess you have to believe the odds will shorten now. Maybe a trading bet but.....
It's almost impossible for the Dems to take the Senate because of the presence of the two Independents.
Even if you put them in the Dem column, then they can only afford one loss between Nevada, Arizona and Texas (all Republican), and their existing seats (including Montana, West Virginia, Missouri...).
Dems lead most Montana, WV and Missouri polls and most Nevada and Arizona polls and have led some Arizona and Texas polls
If the election was tomorrow, the Dems would have to win a lot of near-coinflips to win the Senate. But these races are, to some extent, correlated. It doesn't take much change in the national landscape for the Senate to start looking in play.
Again, whether this news moves the dial at all is another matter.
It's still a tall order when they hold 25 or so of the 33 seats up for re election. Senators usually win on personal votes - party isn't always the deciding factor. Yes they lost the Alabama race but local Republican politicians didn't even want Roy Moore.
Even if the Dems do take Congress in November though and start impeachment proceedings that does not necessarily mean it will prove fatal to Trump, see the GOP's impeachment of Bill Clinton in the late 1990s which failed to get anywhere as his poll ratings held up.
It was Nixon's abysmal poll ratings post Watergate which ended his Presidency
Although most Americans felt impeaching Clinton was bullshit. Trump’s impeachment will be much more substantial.
Personally, I think the GOP establishment are going decide soon to cut their loses and throw Trump under the bus. Maybe Pence too: although he’s more to their taste he’s tainted and a bit too whackadoodle religiously. Getting Paul Ryan into the White House while they still can must be looking more and more attractive to them.
The inquiry is more likely to deliver a report on Trump himself either just before or after the mid terms whenever Congress is likely to be more Democrat friendly. If the GOP lose notably in those elections, not only will they cede the House, they will know they got a liability and concepts of 'country before party' might start to come into the vocabulary.
Remember if a President commits a crime in office associated with abuse of that office, it needs Congress. If its unrelated or before he became president, Congress may not need to be involved.
That’s unclear. It’s not settled law whether or not POTUS can be indicted while in office. AIUI most scholars think that sure, he can be indicted, but he can’t be tried until he leaves office. Only the Senate can try POTUS while in office, and only if the House has impeached him. And hoth, of course, are essentially political processes, not judicial.
Yet to affect the Trump betting anything more than marginally.
You can get 3/1 on Trump to go before 2020, which I think is a fun bet if nothing else. If you haven't spent all your petty change on popcorn of course...
Yes, the only market to have shifted significantly is the Dems to win the House this November.
That actually makes sense. Trump isn't going any time soon for many reasons, not least of which is that the Dems wouldn't want to get rid of him before 2020 even if they could, which they probably couldn't anyway.
He's toxic for the GOP. They should have held the House comfortably but it was looking bad for them even before all this shit dropped on them. I think the House has gone for them now.
Maybe the Senate comes into play now? On Betfair you can get 9/1 against the Dems taking it. It's a hell of a stretch and a lot of Republican voters distinguish their Senate Reps from Trump, but I guess you have to believe the odds will shorten now. Maybe a trading bet but.....
It's almost impossible for the Dems to take the Senate because of the presence of the two Independents.
Even if you put them in the Dem column, then they can only afford one loss between Nevada, Arizona and Texas (all Republican), and their existing seats (including Montana, West Virginia, Missouri...).
Dems lead most Montana, WV and Missouri polls and most Nevada and Arizona polls and have led some Arizona and Texas polls
If the election was tomorrow, the Dems would have to win a lot of near-coinflips to win the Senate. But these races are, to some extent, correlated. It doesn't take much change in the national landscape for the Senate to start looking in play.
Again, whether this news moves the dial at all is another matter.
It's still a tall order when they hold 25 or so of the 33 seats up for re election. Senators usually win on personal votes - party isn't always the deciding factor. Yes they lost the Alabama race but local Republican politicians didn't even want Roy Moore.
I agree it's a tall order, though those numbers are a bit misleading because most of those seats aren't realistically in play.
How correlated Senate seats are is an interesting queston and one that could probably be quantified pretty accurately. But remember party can also affect things indirectly. For example a buoyant national party will be able to give their candidates more money.
Even if the Dems do take Congress in November though and start impeachment proceedings that does not necessarily mean it will prove fatal to Trump, see the GOP's impeachment of Bill Clinton in the late 1990s which failed to get anywhere as his poll ratings held up.
It was Nixon's abysmal poll ratings post Watergate which ended his Presidency
Although most Americans felt impeaching Clinton was bullshit. Trump’s impeachment will be much more substantial.
Personally, I think the GOP establishment are going decide soon to cut their loses and throw Trump under the bus. Maybe Pence too: although he’s more to their taste he’s tainted and a bit too whackadoodle religiously. Getting Paul Ryan into the White House while they still can must be looking more and more attractive to them.
The GOP establishment can try what they want, they still have to first impeach Trump then get a candidate past largely Trump supporting GOP primary voters in 2020.
Yet to affect the Trump betting anything more than marginally.
You can get 3/1 on Trump to go before 2020, which I think is a fun bet if nothing else. If you haven't spent all your petty change on popcorn of course...
Yes, the only market to have shifted significantly is the Dems to win the House this November.
That actually makes sense. Trump isn't going any time soon for many reasons, not least of which is that the Dems wouldn't want to get rid of him before 2020 even if they could, which they probably couldn't anyway.
He's toxic for the GOP. They should have held the House comfortably but it was looking bad for them even before all this shit dropped on them. I think the House has gone for them now.
Maybe the Senate comes into play now? On Betfair you can get 9/1 against the Dems taking it. It's a hell of a stretch and a lot of Republican voters distinguish their Senate Reps from Trump, but I guess you have to believe the odds will shorten now. Maybe a trading bet but.....
It's almost impossible for the Dems to take the Senate because of the presence of the two Independents.
Even if you put them in the Dem column, then they can only afford one loss between Nevada, Arizona and Texas (all Republican), and their existing seats (including Montana, West Virginia, Missouri...).
Dems lead most Montana, WV and Missouri polls and most Nevada and Arizona polls and have led some Arizona and Texas polls
If the election was tomorrow, the Dems would have to win a lot of near-coinflips to win the Senate. But these races are, to some extent, correlated. It doesn't take much change in the national landscape for the Senate to start looking in play.
Again, whether this news moves the dial at all is another matter.
The Dems need a net gain of 2 to take the Senate given 2 seats are pro Dem independent, even in a bad year for them in terms of seats up in a wave midterm year they could do it eg the GOP gained 9 Senate seats net in 1994 and 6 seats net in 2010 and the Dems gained 5 seats net in 2006
Yet to affect the Trump betting anything more than marginally.
You can get 3/1 on Trump to go before 2020, which I think is a fun bet if nothing else. If you haven't spent all your petty change on popcorn of course...
Yes, the only market to have shifted significantly is the Dems to win the House this November.
That actually makes sense. Trump isn't going any time soon for many reasons, not least of which is that the Dems wouldn't want to get rid of him before 2020 even if they could, which they probably couldn't anyway.
He's toxic for the GOP. They should have held the House comfortably but it was looking bad for them even before all this shit dropped on them. I think the House has gone for them now.
Maybe the Senate comes into play now? On Betfair you can get 9/1 against the Dems taking it. It's a hell of a stretch and a lot of Republican voters distinguish their Senate Reps from Trump, but I guess you have to believe the odds will shorten now. Maybe a trading bet but.....
It's almost impossible for the Dems to take the Senate because of the presence of the two Independents.
Even if you put them in the Dem column, then they can only afford one loss between Nevada, Arizona and Texas (all Republican), and their existing seats (including Montana, West Virginia, Missouri...).
Dems lead most Montana, WV and Missouri polls and most Nevada and Arizona polls and have led some Arizona and Texas polls
Also, Florida and Indiana...
I'm not saying it's impossible. It's just very unlikely. The Dems have to get lucky everywhere. They can't afford a single misstep.
It would require a wave year but it could be a wave year
Yet to affect the Trump betting anything more than marginally.
You can get 3/1 on Trump to go before 2020, which I think is a fun bet if nothing else. If you haven't spent all your petty change on popcorn of course...
Yes, the only market to have shifted significantly is the Dems to win the House this November.
That actually makes sense. Trump isn't going any time soon for many reasons, not least of which is that the Dems wouldn't want to get rid of him before 2020 even if they could, which they probably couldn't anyway.
He's toxic for the GOP. They should have held the House comfortably but it was looking bad for them even before all this shit dropped on them. I think the House has gone for them now.
Maybe the Senate comes into play now? On Betfair you can get 9/1 against the Dems taking it. It's a hell of a stretch and a lot of Republican voters distinguish their Senate Reps from Trump, but I guess you have to believe the odds will shorten now. Maybe a trading bet but.....
It's almost impossible for the Dems to take the Senate because of the presence of the two Independents.
Even if you put them in the Dem column, then they can only afford one loss between Nevada, Arizona and Texas (all Republican), and their existing seats (including Montana, West Virginia, Missouri...).
Dems lead most Montana, WV and Missouri polls and most Nevada and Arizona polls and have led some Arizona and Texas polls
If the election was tomorrow, the Dems would have to win a lot of near-coinflips to win the Senate. But these races are, to some extent, correlated. It doesn't take much change in the national landscape for the Senate to start looking in play.
Again, whether this news moves the dial at all is another matter.
The Dems need a net gain of 2 to take the Senate given 2 seats are pro Dem independent, even in a bad year for them in terms of seats up in a wave midterm year they could do it eg the GOP gained 9 Senate seats net in 1994 and 6 seats net in 2010 and the Dems gained 5 seats net in 2006
A reminder on Betfair rules Independents don't count as Dems.
Campaign finance violators should not be allowed the fruits of victory.
This is unenforceable and naive. If campaign violations were enough to overturn a mandate in every vote each side would put plants in their opponents team to intentionally nullify the process.
You could end up in a situation where no mandate is ever valid again.
Yet to affect the Trump betting anything more than marginally.
You can get 3/1 on Trump to go before 2020, which I think is a fun bet if nothing else. If you haven't spent all your petty change on popcorn of course...
Yes, the only market to have shifted significantly is the Dems to win the House this November.
That actually makes sense. Trump isn't going any time soon for many reasons, not least of which is that the Dems wouldn't want to get rid of him before 2020 even if they could, which they probably couldn't anyway.
He's toxic for the GOP. They should have held the House comfortably but it was looking bad for them even before all this shit dropped on them. I think the House has gone for them now.
Maybe the Senate comes into play now? On Betfair you can get 9/1 against the Dems taking it. It's a hell of a stretch and a lot of Republican voters distinguish their Senate Reps from Trump, but I guess you have to believe the odds will shorten now. Maybe a trading bet but.....
It's almost impossible for the Dems to take the Senate because of the presence of the two Independents.
Even if you put them in the Dem column, then they can only afford one loss between Nevada, Arizona and Texas (all Republican), and their existing seats (including Montana, West Virginia, Missouri...).
Dems lead most Montana, WV and Missouri polls and most Nevada and Arizona polls and have led some Arizona and Texas polls
If the election was tomorrow, the Dems would have to win a lot of near-coinflips to win the Senate. But these races are, to some extent, correlated. It doesn't take much change in the national landscape for the Senate to start looking in play.
Again, whether this news moves the dial at all is another matter.
The Dems need a net gain of 2 to take the Senate given 2 seats are pro Dem independent, even in a bad year for them in terms of seats up in a wave midterm year they could do it eg the GOP gained 9 Senate seats net in 1994 and 6 seats net in 2010 and the Dems gained 5 seats net in 2006
A reminder on Betfair rules Independents don't count as Dems.
Seriously? That laying at 9/1 is getting into "free money" territory in that case.
Yet to affect the Trump betting anything more than marginally.
You can get 3/1 on Trump to go before 2020, which I think is a fun bet if nothing else. If you haven't spent all your petty change on popcorn of course...
Yes, the only market to have shifted significantly is the Dems to win the House this November.
That actually makes sense. Trump isn't going any time soon for many reasons, not least of which is that the Dems wouldn't want to get rid of him before 2020 even if they could, which they probably couldn't anyway.
He's toxic for the GOP. They should have held the House comfortably but it was looking bad for them even before all this shit dropped on them. I think the House has gone for them now.
Maybe the Senate comes into play now? On Betfair you can get 9/1 against the Dems taking it. It's a hell of a stretch and a lot of Republican voters distinguish their Senate Reps from Trump, but I guess you have to believe the odds will shorten now. Maybe a trading bet but.....
It's almost impossible for the Dems to take the Senate because of the presence of the two Independents.
Even if you put them in the Dem column, then they can only afford one loss between Nevada, Arizona and Texas (all Republican), and their existing seats (including Montana, West Virginia, Missouri...).
Dems lead most Montana, WV and Missouri polls and most Nevada and Arizona polls and have led some Arizona and Texas polls
If the election was tomorrow, the Dems would have to win a lot of near-coinflips to win the Senate. But these races are, to some extent, correlated. It doesn't take much change in the national landscape for the Senate to start looking in play.
Again, whether this news moves the dial at all is another matter.
The Dems need a net gain of 2 to take the Senate given 2 seats are pro Dem independent, even in a bad year for them in terms of seats up in a wave midterm year they could do it eg the GOP gained 9 Senate seats net in 1994 and 6 seats net in 2010 and the Dems gained 5 seats net in 2006
A reminder on Betfair rules Independents don't count as Dems.
Seriously? That laying at 9/1 is getting into "free money" territory in that case.
"Note: A majority of seats requires either party to control at least 51 of the 100 Seats in the US Senate. Independent or any other party Representatives caucusing with either the Democrats or Republicans will NOT count for the purposes of this market."
Yet to affect the Trump betting anything more than marginally.
You can get 3/1 on Trump to go before 2020, which I think is a fun bet if nothing else. If you haven't spent all your petty change on popcorn of course...
Yes, the only market to have shifted significantly is the Dems to win the House this November.
That actually makes sense. Trump isn't going any time soon for many reasons, not least of which is that the Dems wouldn't want to get rid of him before 2020 even if they could, which they probably couldn't anyway.
He's toxic for the GOP. They should have held the House comfortably but it was looking bad for them even before all this shit dropped on them. I think the House has gone for them now.
Maybe the Senate comes into play now? On Betfair you can get 9/1 against the Dems taking it. It's a hell of a stretch and a lot of Republican voters distinguish their Senate Reps from Trump, but I guess you have to believe the odds will shorten now. Maybe a trading bet but.....
It's almost impossible for the Dems to take the Senate because of the presence of the two Independents.
Even if you put them in the Dem column, then they can only afford one loss between Nevada, Arizona and Texas (all Republican), and their existing seats (including Montana, West Virginia, Missouri...).
Dems lead most Montana, WV and Missouri polls and most Nevada and Arizona polls and have led some Arizona and Texas polls
Also, Florida and Indiana...
I'm not saying it's impossible. It's just very unlikely. The Dems have to get lucky everywhere. They can't afford a single misstep.
It would require a wave year but it could be a wave year
The inquiry is more likely to deliver a report on Trump himself either just before or after the mid terms whenever Congress is likely to be more Democrat friendly. If the GOP lose notably in those elections, not only will they cede the House, they will know they got a liability and concepts of 'country before party' might start to come into the vocabulary.
Remember if a President commits a crime in office associated with abuse of that office, it needs Congress. If its unrelated or before he became president, Congress may not need to be involved.
That’s unclear. It’s not settled law whether or not POTUS can be indicted while in office. AIUI most scholars think that sure, he can be indicted, but he can’t be tried until he leaves office. Only the Senate can try POTUS while in office, and only if the House has impeached him. And hoth, of course, are essentially political processes, not judicial.
I understand its grey and perhaps in tone sounded more absolute than required, especially in that the nature and occasion of the crime may matter, but there is a fair chance the legal theory is going to get tested.
I point out again to anyone following this. A surprising number of GOP guys on the Hill are not running again. They know, Ryan knows plenty well about some of the money sources. This isn't just going to reflect on Trump its going to reflect on swathes of the party.
The actual legal papers around Cohen's charges reveal, not surprisingly, a lot more detail than the headline.
The inquiry is more likely to deliver a report on Trump himself either just before or after the mid terms whenever Congress is likely to be more Democrat friendly. If the GOP lose notably in those elections, not only will they cede the House, they will know they got a liability and concepts of 'country before party' might start to come into the vocabulary.
Remember if a President commits a crime in office associated with abuse of that office, it needs Congress. If its unrelated or before he became president, Congress may not need to be involved.
That’s unclear. It’s not settled law whether or not POTUS can be indicted while in office. AIUI most scholars think that sure, he can be indicted, but he can’t be tried until he leaves office. Only the Senate can try POTUS while in office, and only if the House has impeached him. And hoth, of course, are essentially political processes, not judicial.
I understand its grey and perhaps in tone sounded more absolute than required, especially in that the nature and occasion of the crime may matter, but there is a fair chance the legal theory is going to get tested.
I point out again to anyone following this. A surprising number of GOP guys on the Hill are not running again. They know, Ryan knows plenty well about some of the money sources. This isn't just going to reflect on Trump its going to reflect on swathes of the party.
The actual legal papers around Cohen's charges reveal, not surprisingly, a lot more detail than the headline.
Cohen's admissions show him to be a fixer. And with any fixer, you wonder what else he's fixing.
The inquiry is more likely to deliver a report on Trump himself either just before or after the mid terms whenever Congress is likely to be more Democrat friendly. If the GOP lose notably in those elections, not only will they cede the House, they will know they got a liability and concepts of 'country before party' might start to come into the vocabulary.
Remember if a President commits a crime in office associated with abuse of that office, it needs Congress. If its unrelated or before he became president, Congress may not need to be involved.
That’s unclear. It’s not settled law whether or not POTUS can be indicted while in office. AIUI most scholars think that sure, he can be indicted, but he can’t be tried until he leaves office. Only the Senate can try POTUS while in office, and only if the House has impeached him. And hoth, of course, are essentially political processes, not judicial.
I understand its grey and perhaps in tone sounded more absolute than required, especially in that the nature and occasion of the crime may matter, but there is a fair chance the legal theory is going to get tested.
I point out again to anyone following this. A surprising number of GOP guys on the Hill are not running again. They know, Ryan knows plenty well about some of the money sources. This isn't just going to reflect on Trump its going to reflect on swathes of the party.
The actual legal papers around Cohen's charges reveal, not surprisingly, a lot more detail than the headline.
Cohen's admissions show him to be a fixer. And with any fixer, you wonder what else he's fixing.
I refer you to Mr Cohen's desire to travel to the lovely city of Prague.
An impeachment could well bring about President Pence.
I am not sure that is anything to wish for.
He is potentially in the firing line too. A number of the GOP hierarchy are. If not in legal terms certainly in association.
Next in line of succession is Leader of the House of Representatives.
Assuming Democrats take Congress, then it would be one of their number. And I do not see that is a way of establishing legitimacy for any President.
Far more likely would be to inflict maximum damage on the Republicans and let them serve out the end of this term in hope of a big Electoral College win in November 2020.
Trying to gain the presidency mid-term by way of impeachment might be legitimate in terms of the constitution - but it is no way democratic or desirable.
Campaign finance violators should not be allowed the fruits of victory.
Punishment in all things has to be proportionate, things cannot be declared null and void for violations where the impact, even if significant, is difficult to quantify precisely. It's not an argument for people not being punished, but there is a reason every such violation does not result in elections being voided - it's a very awful idea.
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You can get 3/1 on Trump to go before 2020, which I think is a fun bet if nothing else. If you haven't spent all your petty change on popcorn of course...
That actually makes sense. Trump isn't going any time soon for many reasons, not least of which is that the Dems wouldn't want to get rid of him before 2020 even if they could, which they probably couldn't anyway.
He's toxic for the GOP. They should have held the House comfortably but it was looking bad for them even before all this shit dropped on them. I think the House has gone for them now.
Maybe the Senate comes into play now? On Betfair you can get 9/1 against the Dems taking it. It's a hell of a stretch and a lot of Republican voters distinguish their Senate Reps from Trump, but I guess you have to believe the odds will shorten now. Maybe a trading bet but.....
I know sometimes it can be difficult to tell
But I wonder if the Trump fans won't just shrug this off. "Some sleazy guys I've never heard of did some plea bargains to implicate Trump, when will they stop ganging up on him?" They might concede that his judgment is choosing associates is proving sub-optimal.
I doubt a single one of his base will be turned by any of this.
He will scream 'fake news', 'fake judges' and just pardon.
Hope I am wrong.
It makes it impossible for the evidence to be tested properly by a court. It is not how I think justice should be done.
https://twitter.com/RepAdamSchiff/status/1032015975539978246
FWIW, I think 8.8 is far too short. I doubt there's time for an impeachment trial this year and I simply can't see him resigning, no matter how bad things look (not least because if resigning wouldn't get him off any legal hook and while Pence could pardon him, that would kill Pence's presidency stone dead).
Marvellous!
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1032017630662729728
Even if you put them in the Dem column, then they can only afford one loss between Nevada, Arizona and Texas (all Republican), and their existing seats (including Montana, West Virginia, Missouri...).
FPT "Boring conversation anyway! Luke, we're gonna have company!"
https://crooksandliars.com/logan-murphy/shocking-fox-news-labels-disgraced-re
He can pardon others and himself but that's no immunity against impeachment. Indeed, if he did start dishing out pardons to his former associates, that'd be more likely to bring impeachment on.
You have to wonder why so many Republicans on the Hill have decided not to oust Trump but a surprising number decided to retire from Congress when they didn't need to. They don't owe their positions to him but some of them are sure as hell in a position of knowing and being involved in some notable dealings. Plenty more know its as rotten as a medieval beggar.
Then there is Prague. What was Cohen doing there?
My Attorney Got Arrested
Remember if a President commits a crime in office associated with abuse of that office, it needs Congress. If its unrelated or before he became president, Congress may not need to be involved.
It was Nixon's abysmal poll ratings post Watergate which ended his Presidency
Two men have been found with bullet wounds in the garden of a west London home after a group of people was shot at near a Tube station.
Again, whether this news moves the dial at all is another matter.
I'm not saying it's impossible. It's just very unlikely. The Dems have to get lucky everywhere. They can't afford a single misstep.
https://twitter.com/autumnbragwell/status/1031328234607181826
Personally, I think the GOP establishment are going decide soon to cut their loses and throw Trump under the bus. Maybe Pence too: although he’s more to their taste he’s tainted and a bit too whackadoodle religiously. Getting Paul Ryan into the White House while they still can must be looking more and more attractive to them.
How correlated Senate seats are is an interesting queston and one that could probably be quantified pretty accurately. But remember party can also affect things indirectly. For example a buoyant national party will be able to give their candidates more money.
Ryan is retiring in November
You could end up in a situation where no mandate is ever valid again.
Has he, er, read the charges?
I point out again to anyone following this. A surprising number of GOP guys on the Hill are not running again. They know, Ryan knows plenty well about some of the money sources. This isn't just going to reflect on Trump its going to reflect on swathes of the party.
The actual legal papers around Cohen's charges reveal, not surprisingly, a lot more detail than the headline.
I am not sure that is anything to wish for.
Assuming Democrats take Congress, then it would be one of their number. And I do not see that is a way of establishing legitimacy for any President.
Far more likely would be to inflict maximum damage on the Republicans and let them serve out the end of this term in hope of a big Electoral College win in November 2020.
Trying to gain the presidency mid-term by way of impeachment might be legitimate in terms of the constitution - but it is no way democratic or desirable.
https://twitter.com/ColMorrisDavis/status/1032042875935186951
Yes I know the Electoral Commission found you didn’t break any technical rules.
But stop and think
Michael Brown stole money from pensioners. And you guys were happy to keep it. Despicable.